* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] OKAY, JEFF. READY WHEN YOU ARE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR FRIDAY, MAY 29TH. 2020. [Roll Call] I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FISH HERE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? HERE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. HERE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. HERE. COMMISSIONER BOWMAN HERE. AND CHAIRMAN SPENCER HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA START WITH A QUICK MESSAGE FROM OUR TRANSLATOR, TRANSLATORS WHO ARE ON THE LINE. [Chairman's Statement] THANK YOU. CAN WE GET THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JEFFREY FETZER CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR ALL THEIR COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THE SLOW START THIS AFTERNOON. WE'RE READY TO BE GOING. UM, I DID JUST RECEIVE AN ALL CAPS EMAIL SAYING THERE'S AN ECHO ON THE LIVE STREAM, SO I'M GONNA ASK OUR, OUR AB TECH JUST TO CONFIRM THAT WE'RE STILL GOOD. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO, TO TEST THAT. OKAY. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PROCEED, UM, UNTIL I HEAR OTHERWISE. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS TODAY, UM, OTHER [Public Comments] THAN WE DO HAVE GENERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, BY A CITIZEN. UM, SO I'M GONNA READ THOSE AT THIS TIME. THESE CAME FROM MONICA. SO YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS FROM , UH, TODAY WE HAVE A CASE REQUESTING SIX UNITS ON 0.36 ACRES. WE'VE SEEN SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT COMPLETELY FAILED TO MEET THE CURRENT AND FUTURE OF LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR OUR LOTS WHEREBY REQUIRING REZONING AND ALSO FAILED TO MEET THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR INFILL HOUSING. ANY PROJECTS LIKE THIS ONE IN NEAR URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS TRADE GREEN SPACE AND AFFORDABILITY FOR PROFIT, WERE EGREGIOUSLY SQUEEZING AS MANY HOUSES AS POSSIBLE IN EVERY VACANT LOT. AS SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE HAS NOT CREATED ONE SINGLE AFFORDABLE HOME IN ITY HILL. RATHER, IT HAS PUSHED THE AVERAGE ASSESSED LAND VALUE TO OVER 500,000 PER ACRE. THIS HAS MADE WHAT WAS ONCE AN EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOME, NO LONGER AFFORDABLE, AND HAS MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER BUILD NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE NOW HAVE FAMILIES LIVING IN HOMES THAT ARE ASSESSED FOR LESS THAN THE LOT THAT IS SIT ON. MEANWHILE, THESE FAMILIES CAN'T AFFORD THE TAXES TO REMAIN, UM, IN THEIR HOMES FOR MUCH LONGER. THIS IS THE [00:05:01] OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE A CARING SOCIETY SHOULD BE DOING TO OUR NEIGHBORS. THE TRICKLE DOWN THEORY OF A BUILD A LOT OF HOUSES, UM, AND PRACTICES WILL GO DOWN, HAS BEEN SILENTLY DEFEATED BY EVERY INCREASING DENSITY AND DATA. AS H C S C MEMBERS, PLEASE BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION THAT ALLOW NEW BILLS TO GO AGAINST COSO APPROVED FUTURE LAND USE PLANS AND DO DO THE FOLLOW HISTORIC PRESERVATION GUIDELINES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. WE VOTE ON THESE CASES, UM, THIS TIME AND EVERY TIME. THANK YOU. ARE WE GOOD? OKAY. UM, SO NEXT SLIDE, LAUREN. SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE MEETING FORMAT. UM, WE'LL BEGIN SHORTLY BY DISPLAYING A CASE OF, UH, LIST OF CASES TO BE HEARD TODAY. UM, JUST AS USUAL, WE HAVE CASES THAT HAVE INCLUDED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THOSE ARE CASES WHERE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO MEET ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, WHEN WE GET TO THE LIST, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH ITEMS HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE WILL FIRST REVIEW ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS PROVIDED FOR THOSE ITEMS, UM, BEFORE TAKING ACTION. UM, WE DID HAVE ONE CASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY THAT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED, SO WE WILL HEAR EVERYTHING INDIVIDUALLY TODAY. UM, WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THE ONLINE FORM HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED IN YOUR REVIEW FOLDER. UM, NEXT SLIDE. GORDON, JUST A REMINDER FOR YOU ALL, UM, PLEASE KEEP YOUR MI MICROPHONE MUTED UNLESS YOU ARE SPEAKING. UM, THAT HELPS THE AUDIO QUALITY, UM, UH, BE PRESERVED DURING THE MEETING. UM, FOR EACH CASE, WE WILL START, AS WE ALWAYS DO, BY READING THE REQUEST LANGUAGE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION. WE WILL CALL IN THE APPLICANT FOR EACH CASE TO LISTEN, PROVIDE COMMENTS OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. REMEMBER TO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN PAUSE BEFORE SPEAKING. UM, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE READY TO VIEW OUR CASE LIST. [Consent Agenda] UM, SO AGAIN, JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, ITEM 1 2 31 WEST AGARITA HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, SO NOW I'M GOING TO ASK EDWARD HALL, UH, TO UNMUTE HIMSELF AND BRING IN [20-3412 Address/Description: 202 N ST MARYS ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-163 RIO District: RIO-3 Downtown Business District: Yes Applicant: Anthony Byron/SMS-SAR Hospitality, LLC. Request: Construction of a hotel tower City Council Dist.: 1] THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. THIS IS EDWARD. I HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DESIGN TEAM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 63 2 0 2 NORTH ST. MARY'S. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 14 STORY HOTEL TOWER AT 2 0 2. NORTH ST. MARY'S STREET DEPICT BOTH STREET AND RIVER FRONTAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH V WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT FULLY MEET PREVIOUS RIVER LEVEL STIPULATIONS FROM CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THESE STIPULATIONS INCLUDE THE RIVER LEVEL TREATMENT OF THE TOWER AND ITS REDESIGN TO BETTER RESPOND TO A PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND NATURAL SETTING OF THE RIVERWALK STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT TERRACE ELEMENTS AND PASSADE ELEMENTS SUCH AS STONE SHOULD BE INCORPORATED TO STRENGTHEN THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE. ADDITIONALLY, A SALVAGE AND REUSE PLAN FOR EXISTING STONE ELEMENTS MUST BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL STONE, EXISTING STONE ELEMENTS ON SITE BE USED IN THE FINAL LANDSCAPING. IF ANY CODE CUT ON NORTH ST. MARY'S BE LIMITED IN WISDOM TO NO MORE THAN 25 FEET IN LIFT AND SHOULD NOT RESULT IN THE CHANGE OF GRAVE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL THAT DO NOT INTERRUPT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON NORTH ST. MARY'S. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES STONE WITH THE ROUGH FINISH AT THE RIVER LEVEL TO PROMOTE AND RELATE TO CADET TO THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE PER THE U D C. AND ITS PROPOSED RIVER LEVEL CANOPY FEATURED NATURAL INDIGENOUS MATERIALS THAT COMPLEMENT THE NATURAL ASPECTS OF THE RIVER BLOCKS. AND THEREFORE, ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION SHALL BE REQUIRED. THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SCOPE OF WORK SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHEOLOGIST TO REVIEW AN APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION. THE PROJECT SHALL FILE WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAWS RULED AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY. OKAY. UM, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD, UM, LIKE TO DIRECT COMMISSIONERS TO ANY, UM, ITEM IN THE EXHIBITS OR ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, NOW'S YOUR TIME. UM, COMMISSIONERS MAY ALSO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. UH, YES, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, CHAIRMAN STAFF. THIS IS MARK HORNBERGER, THE ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT WITH HORNBERGER ELLE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE ON THE LINE WE'VE ASKED TONY BYRON, WHO'S THE PROJECT SPONSOR, PETE HINTON, WHO IS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. SO IF YOU COULD CALL UP PAGE TWO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET ME JUST REFER TO THESE PAGES IN OUR PRESENTATION, [00:10:01] UH, BRIEFLY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO ADDRESS THOSE SINCE OUR LAST SET OF MEETINGS WITH THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, UH, MEMBERS. SO, UH, YOU SEE AN IMAGE HERE OF THE ST. MARY'S STREET ELEVATION OF OUR PROJECT. UH, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, STONE BAY, UH, TEXAS CREAM LIMESTONE AND LUTER BROWN, UH, ROUGH LIMESTONE TO MATCH THE BRICK AND LIMESTONE ON THE ADJACENT CHURCH. UH, WE HAVE OUR CURTAIN WALL WITH DARK MILING. YOU COULD GO BACK PLEASE TO SLIDE TWO. YES, THANK YOU. UH, AND THEN ABOVE THE STONE BASE, UH, WE HAVE OUR METAL PANEL, UH, AND PUNCTURED FENESTRATION. THE FENESTRATION, UH, PER REQUIREMENT SET BACK TWO TO THREE INCHES. THE METAL PANELS, UH, ARE FINISHED WITH, UH, TWO COLORS IN A MATT NON REFLECTIVE FINISH COLORS, UH, COMPLIMENTARY TO AND MATCHING COLORS ON THE ADJACENT CHURCH. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. TO THE PAGE THREE. IF WE COULD GO TO THAT, KNOW WHO IS RUNNING THE PRESENTATION THERE. YEAH, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. TO THE APPLICANT. THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY IN WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE. UM, SO WE ARE ON THAT SIDE NOW. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. JUST HAVE TO TRUST US. . YEAH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT. OUR HOPE IS TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE LATER THIS SUMMER. AND SO WE'RE, UH, IT'S WRAPPING UP DETAIL. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO HERE'S, UH, PAGE THREE, UH, AND, UM, OUR MORE DETAILED BASE. WE STILL HAVE BRICK PIPING TO THE, UH, SURROUNDS FOR THE OPENING OF THE RECTORY AND ARE MORE DETAILED GRILLED UP FRONT DOORS TO THE OPENING, TO THE RECTORY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THAT WOULD BE SLIDE FOUR, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN MORE DETAIL. THEN IF WE COULD GO PLEASE TO SLIDE FIVE ON THE RIVERWALK SIDE. UM, I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN TO THE STONE BASE OF THE BUILDING. WE HAVE THE TWO COLORS OF STONE, THE SMOOTHER TEXAS GREEN LIMESTONE AT THE ROUGHER FINISHED, DARKER BLA BROWN FINISH OR ME. AND THEN WHERE YOU SEE THE HORIZONTAL GREEN LINE, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE, UH, RETAIL AND ENTRY STOREFRONT AT THE BASE, THAT'S ACTUALLY A RELATIVE ELEMENT. AND THE ELEMENT IN RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEW STIPULATIONS FROM, UH, STAFF ARE ASKING FOR THAT TO BE IN NATURAL MATERIALS. OUR PROPOSAL IS SHOWN IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WE HAVE SHOWN THE DETAILED, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, ASPECTS OF THOSE TRELLIS ARE MADE OF PAINTED STEEL AND STAINED WOOD. SO ALL THE FLAT WORK, WHICH WE'LL YOU'LL SEE IN A MOMENT IN ONE OF OUR IMAGES IS NATURAL WOOD. SO WE BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED STAFF COMMENT THERE. FURTHERMORE, OTHER THAN THE, UH, TRANSPARENT GLASS, UH, AT THE BAY OF THE BUILDING, ALL THE OTHER SURFACES, UH, VERTICAL, UH, UH, WALL SURFACES ARE STONE. UH, SO WE DO, UH, BELIEVE THAT WE MEET STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH, UH, STONE AND GLASS AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING. UH, IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE SIX, PLEASE, WHICH IS OUR MATERIALS SAMPLE BOARD. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SHEET, UH, AT THE LOWER LEFT, THE TWO, UH, STONE COLORS THAT [00:15:01] WE'RE PROPOSING. THE LIGHTER TEXAS CREAM, WHICH MET IS NUMBER TWO, AND MATCHES, UH, THE SMOOTH LIMESTONE ON THE CHURCH AND THE ROUGHER, MORE TEXTURED LUTER BROWN, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE, WHICH, UH, COMPLIMENTS AND IS THE MAJORITY OF THE STONE ON THE BASE OF THE BUILDING. ALSO, UH, TRACKS YOUR ATTENTION TO THREE A AND THREE. THESE ARE THE COLORS OF OUR, UH, METAL PANEL, DRY DESIGN, UH, ELEMENTS, UH, ON THE SKIN, WHICH AGAIN, ARE COMPLIMENTARY WITH THE STONE COLORS AND PAINTED, UH, WITH A NON-REFLECTIVE, UH, FINISH. THEN IF WE COULD, UH, PROCEED PLEASE TO SLIDE SEVEN. UM, A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS. UH, HERE YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, UH, ADDITION AND ARTICULATION OF OUR PLANTERS, UH, BETWEEN THE RIVER WALK AND OUR OUTDOOR PATIO AREAS, WHICH WILL BE OUTDOOR DINING AND, UH, SMALL EVENT RELATED TO, UH, DIRECTORY. ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE CURVING PLANTER ELEMENT, WHICH WE'VE REORGANIZED TO PRESERVE MORE ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING STONE, UH, WORK THAT IS THERE. AND REINCORPORATE, UH, UH, ARISTON INTO THESE PLANTERS AS WELL AS STEPPING 'EM. UM, IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS SLIDE EIGHT, YOU CAN SEE, UH, IN THIS SLIDE ARE, UH, STEPPING STONE PLANTERS ADDRESSING, UH, THE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO HAVE MORE OF A STEPPED UH, CONFIGURATION. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE, UH, TRELLIS WORK HERE, BRINGING THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING DOWN TO A MORE PEDESTRIAN SCALE, PROVIDING SHADING FOR OUR OUTDOOR, UH, DINING AND EVENT AREAS, SCALING THIS MORE APPROPRIATELY TO THE HUMAN USE. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE ALL OF THE FLAT WORK IN THE TRELLIS, UH, WITHIN THE PAINTED STEEL FRAME. THIS IS, UH, STAINED WOOD, UH, TRELLIS WORK AND SLA WORK THAT IS IN THESE TRELLIS OF ELEMENTS. SO WE BELIEVE THERE THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED STAFF BY INCORPORATING THE MATERIALS INTO, UH, THE TRELLIS ITSELF. SO, UM, THOSE WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, OF WHAT WE WANTED TO, UH, PRESENT. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED STONE ON THE BASE OF THE BUILDING. WE BELIEVE WE BROUGHT NATURAL MATERIALS TO, UH, THE, UH, TRELLIS WORK. UH, WE HAVE SHOWN YOU THE FLAT PAINT COLORS FOR OUR METAL PANELS, UH, ON THE BUILDING. WE ARE RECESSING, UH, WINDOWS AND OUR PUNCTURE OPENINGS TWO TO THREE INCHES AND FRAMING THEM IN, UH, DARKER COLORED FRAMES. AND SO I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO PETE HINTON, WHO, UH, COULD ADDRESS, UH, THE OTHER COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT REUSE OF HUG A STONE. THEY, MY SHOW MARK IS A AND, AND PETE CAN ADDRESS IT, WHERE WE'RE STEPPING THE HUGGING WALL IN THE BAR CORNER. AND, AND WE JUST, UH, SLIDE, THAT'S, UH, SLIDE 15. AND, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW BETWEEN THE SEEDING AREA AND, UH, THE WALKWAY, WE'RE STEPPING THE PLANTERS SEVERAL TIMES WITH THIS SALVAGE AND REUSE, UM, MATERIAL. YOU CAN SEE THAT AS WELL ON SLIDE 16. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE STEPPING OF THE PLANTERS AND THE MODULATION OF IT. I'D ALSO DIRECT YOU TO, UH, SLIDE 19, UH, WHICH SHOWS HOW, [00:20:01] UH, WE ARE INCORPORATING THE ROUNDED PLANTER ELEMENT AT THE END OF THE TERRACE, UH, STEPPING UP TOWARDS THE ASSESSMENT OF ST. MARY'S, UH, STREET BRIDGE, UH, AT THE FAR, UH, WEST SIDE OF, UH, THIS STEPS TERRACE. SO, UH, PETE, ANY COMMENTS, UH, ON THIS? YEAH, THERE IT IS. YES. HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS. I AM OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS I'LL GO AHEAD AND START. UH, WHAT I THINK, UH, ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS, AT LEAST AT THE RIVER LEVEL, WE HAVE, UH, ARE PLAYING TO SALVAGE, UH, ALMOST ALL OF THE EXISTING STONE THAT'S DOWN THERE. UH, THERE'S SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF TAPE THAT WAS INSTALLED. UH, WE BELIEVE WE'VE KEPT WITHIN THE HUSBAND'S SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS. UH, WE'VE ALSO, UH, MANAGED TO TERRACE, UM, MOST OF THE PLANTER BEDS, UH, TO, UH, MEET SOME OF THE COMMENTS. UH, THERE'S ALSO, UM, UH, THE PLANTERS, UH, WE'VE, UM, MATCHED THE, UH, THE SAME RIVERWALK PLANTS THAT, UH, IS EVERYWHERE. WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY. WE'RE COORDINATING WITH, UH, DOWNTOWN OPS, UH, TO GET THEIR PREFERENCE OF, UH, THEIR PLANT MATERIAL. AND I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA AGREE ON, UH, WHAT THE APPROPRIATE EQUIPMENT CERTAINLY IS GONNA BE FOR THAT AREA. BUT I BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE COMMENTS IN OUR LAST, UH, ROUND OF, UM, RESPONSES TO, UM, TO THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE A LETTER, UM, TO READ. I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY TWO MORE COMMISSIONERS. JOHN , THE STREET 10 IS HERE, AS WELL AS PAOLO HERNANDEZ. UM, OUR MAYORAL THANK DEVO FOR BEING HERE. UM, SHE READ THE COMMENTS AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO DISCUSSION. GREAT. UM, SO THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AGREES WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT THE RECTORY BUILDING AT 2 0 2 NORTH ST. MARY'S MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION AS A LANDMARK. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT NEW FORMALIST DESIGNED BY HARVEY B SMITH, JR. WE AGREED THAT EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO INTEGRATE THE EXISTING BUILDING INTO A NEW PROJECT WITH PARTICULAR FOCUS ON THE ST. MARY'S STREET, UM, FACADE. SECONDLY, WE OPPOSE ANY DEMOLITION OF ORIGINAL ROBERT HH HOMAN STONEWORK ALONG THE RIVERWALK. CERTAINLY THE GOALS OF THE HOTEL DEVELOPMENT FOR ITS RIVER WALK FRONTAGE CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT LOSING INTACT ELEMENTS. FROM THE 1939 DESIGN BY HUDMAN, WE HAVE LOST TOO MANY ORIGINAL WALLS ALONG THE DOWNTOWN RIVER WALK WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WHERE OVER THE PROPOSED DESIGN TAKES THE SINUOUS ORGANIC SHAPES OF HAGMAN'S ORIGINAL STONEWALL, WHICH RELATED TO THE, WHICH RELATED TO THE RIVER BANK, AND RESHAPES THEM INTO PERFUNCTORY RECLINE ELEMENTS THAT RESPOND ONLY TO THE NEW BUILDING AND IGNORE THE RIVER. THIRDLY, AS NOTED A YEAR AGO, THE RIVERSIDE FACADE OF THE NEW PROJECT SHOULD COMPLIMENT BETTER THAN DETRACT FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE RIVERWALK BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF GLASS FACADE AND THE RIVER RIVERSIDE LEVELS. FINALLY, WHILE STAFF INDICATES THAT A SHAVE AND SHADOW STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED, THAT STUDY WAS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION. UM, AND I CAN CLARIFY THAT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. UM, AND THE MASSING HASN'T CHANGED, SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS DUPLICATED IN THIS PACKAGE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR STAFF THAT THIS IS AN, UH, CORY, UH, I, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE DESIGN IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, WONDERFUL WORK. THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTS, UH, SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR SUCH SENSITIVITY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO TEXTURE, COLOR. UH, IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE SUCH A SUCCESS NOW, BUT, BUT THE LETTER THAT YOU JUST READ DOES, DOES, IS ALSO A VERY SENSITIVE LETTER, AND IT, IT BETS A QUESTION AS TO THE FLUIDITY OF THE LINES AT THE, AT THE, UH, RIVER LEVEL WITH RESPECT TO THE LIME OF STONE, THE, THE ROUGH COARSENESS, CORY, IN, IN YOUR OPINION OR THE OPINION OF STAFF, IS THAT A FUNCTION OF THE LOSS OF MORTARS AND, AND THE WEAR AND TEAR OF THE STONE OVER TIME? OR IS IS AS IT'S ILLUSTRATED IN THE IMAGES, OR, OR IS THAT, UH, DIRECT, UH, [00:25:01] UH, STYLE AND, AND, AND INTENT OF HUSBANDMAN AND, UH, UH, I, I, I, IS IT, IS IT, ARE WE LOOKING AT A 2020, UH, VERSION OF SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE, UH, QUITE SOME TIME BACK THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SHARPER? ALTHOUGH THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY, UH, DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF THE LINES, UH, ON THE RIVER LEVEL, UM, UH, RELATING TO THE, THE, THE FORMALITY OF THE RIGIDITY OF THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO THE FLUIDITY OF THE RIVER. SO, SO FOR, FOR, FROM Y'ALLS STUDY, COREY, IT, THE COARSENESS AND ALL OF THAT IS, IS THAT TIME WHERE, OR IS IT, UH, INTENT AND, AND HUB AND DESIGN? SO LAUREN, IF YOU CAN GO DOWN A FEW SLIDES, THERE'S, UM, AN ORIGINAL HUSBANDMAN DRAWING, I BELIEVE BE THAT SLIDE THERE. UM, AND THERE'S AN ELEVATION, WELL, NO, ACTUALLY THAT, UM, WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT. YEAH, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE, UH, THAT LEVEL OF DOCUMENTATION. UM, SO WE DO HAVE PRETTY GOOD, UM, UH, SET A RECORD OF HUFFMAN'S ORIGINAL DESIGNS. THOSE DIDN'T ALWAYS GET CONSTRUCTED, BUT USUALLY A VERSION OF IT DID. UM, THERE'S A SEPARATE PAGE FROM THIS ONE THAT CALLS OUT KIND OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF, OF, UH, STONE STACKING OF COURSES AND, UH, DIFFERENT PATTERNS. SO THIS ACTUALLY DOES CALL FOR DRY STACK STONE IN A FEW PLACES. AND SO IF WE DO THINK THAT WHERE WE SEE THE DRY STACK STONE, ESPECIALLY THE CURVED, UH, KIND OF ENTERS THAT ARE LARGER, WE BELIEVE THOSE WOULD BE ORIGINAL BASED ON THAT DOCUMENTATION. UM, BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE IT'S BEEN MODIFIED OVER THE YEARS, SO THERE'S BEEN THE INTRODUCTION OF A FEW MORE RETAINING WALLS. UM, THOSE HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UM, COURSE IN STONE AND STONE TYPE, AS YOU CAN SEE. UM, SO IT, IT IS A BIT OF A HODGEPODGE, BUT WE DO BELIEVE MUCH OF WHAT IS THERE IS ORIGINAL. OKAY. WELL, WELL, JUST ONE, ONE FINAL COMMENT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE DESIGN TEAM. I, I LOVE THE WORK. UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT IT FOR, FOR, FOR A VERY, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN TO USE THE WORD ODD IN A BAD WAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S SO MODERN AND SO CLEAN AND THE USE OF THE GLASS IS VERY SAN ANTONIO. BUT I DON'T MEAN THAT IN RETROSPECT. I MEAN, THAT, UH, UH, LIKE, IT, IT, IT'S A VERY PROGRESSIVE, UH, SETS A VERY PROGRESSIVE EXPECTATION FOR WHAT SAN ANTONIO CAN LOOK LIKE WHEN THE MATERIALS OF, UH, SPEAK TO, UH, AN EXISTING, UH, VERNACULAR. RIGHT. UM, HOWEVER, I, I, I WOULD WONDER, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A, A, UM, A MORE EFFORT THAT COULD GO INTO A MARRIAGE BETWEEN THIS VERY ROUGH, UH, NATURAL FEELING. YEAH. UH, UH, GRADUATING ITSELF INTO THE, THE, THE MORE RIGID LIMESTONE FORM. AND I, I, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT WHEN I SEE THE CIRCULAR ASPECT THAT YOU PRESENTED, I WANT, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, DESPITE ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? JUST IN TERMS OF THE FEELING WALKING DOWN THE, THE ANIMATION, JUST LIKE WALKING DOWN, UH, THE RIVERWALK BEFORE IT BECAME WHAT IT IS TODAY, IT IS VERY REMINISCENT. IT DOES FEEL LIKE SAN ANTONIO. UM, SO, SO THE, THE, THE, JUST THE, THE CHALLENGE, NOT, NOT THAT IT'S A MAKE OR BREAK FOR ME, BUT THE CHALLENGE. AND I THINK SPEAKING TO THE LETTER THAT WAS READ, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A VERY STRONG MISSED OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT, THAT I WOULD BEG, UH, YOU KNOW, TO VISIT, UH, UH, A STRONGER GRAFTING OF THE TWO LANGUAGES. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, IN RESPONSE TO STIPULATIONS ONE AND THREE THAT BOTH KIND OF REFERENCE THE MATERIAL, I, I, I THINK THE PROPOSAL HERE, UH, MEETS THOSE STIPULATIONS. AND I, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TERRACING ELEMENT ON THE RIVER, THE INCORPORATION OF THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, WALL ELEMENTS AND THE MODIFIED HISTORIC ELEMENTS AND THE REDU, THE, THE REUSE OF THE SALVAGE, UH, MATERIAL IN STONE. IF YOU GO DOWN TO THOSE SLIDES THAT SHOW THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE RIVER WALK EDGE THERE, YEAH, 24 I THINK IT IS. I THINK THEY START UP ABOVE IN PLAN. UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A VERY, IF WE KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THIS, YOU CAN SEE THEM COLOR CODE AND IDENTIFY THESE DIFFERENT WALLS THAT HAPPEN, THAT OCCUR AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. UM, WHAT, WHAT IS A CURRENTLY THERE DOES NOT REFLECT THE ORIGINAL HAMAN DESIGN WITH ALL OF THE CURVATURE THAT WE SEE. THERE'S KIND OF LITTLE BITS OF ELEMENTS. THE COLOR CODING KIND OF DESCRIBES THESE PIECES, AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH, THEY, THEY, I THINK THEY DID A REALLY, UH, GOOD JOB IN PRESERVING THIS IDEA OF TERRORIST ELEMENTS HERE ON THE RIVER AND INCORPORATING THE, THE GEOMETRY AND THE, THE FEELING OF THOSE IN HERE. SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A, A PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED HERE. AND I ASSUME THAT STIPULATION [00:30:01] TWO HAS BEEN MET OR IS, DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP THAT THAT'S REFERRING TO THE CURB CUT ON THE DRIVEWAY AND STAFF ANSWER THAT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU CORRECT. SO IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND PREVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT HAD NOTED THAT THEY WOULD AGREE TO THAT, UM, THAT'S MORE OR LESS A STIPULATION THAT STAFF CONTINUALLY LEAVE SO THAT IT'S THERE AND THAT APPLICANTS ARE WELL AWARE, UM, AND DECIDE WALK NEEDS TO MAINTAIN A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. THIS COMMISSIONER UNE, UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN THIS, BUT AS I RECALL, ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM A PREVIOUS REVIEW WAS THAT, UH, WE ASKED FOR AT LEAST SOME OF THE SLOPING GRASS AREA OR PLANTING AREA BE RETAINED IN THE DESIGN. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT HERE. EDWARD, DO WE STILL HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? MARK? PETER, WE CAN HEAR PETER, I CAN KIND OF ADDRESS THAT MEAN THE, THE PREVIOUS, I GUESS, WORK DONE ON THE RIVER WALK. I MEAN THE, HAVING THE PLAN THAT HAD THE GRASSY GOAL, UH, WAS REMOVED FROM, THEY PUT THE RIVERWALK PAVEMENT IN, UH, SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS NOW, YOU KNOW, JUST LEFT WITH THE TERRACE PLANTERS. THIS IS CHAIRMAN. IF YOU GO TO, UH, SLIDE EIGHT, IF, IF YOU COULD GO TO SLIDE EIGHT, YOU CAN SEE I THINK HOW THIS, UH, TERRA SAYING WORKS RELATED TO THE PEDESTRIAN REALM. THAT WOULD BE OUR SLIDE EIGHT OF THE PRESENTATION. ITS PERSPECTIVE VIEW LOOKING WEST AS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE EDGE OF THE RIVERWALK. YES, WE HAVE THAT UP NOW. AND WE, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. CAN WE TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN SLIDE SEVEN AND SLIDE EIGHT? SO I THINK, I THINK, UH, THE, THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSED IS OF THE PLANTERS THAT WE SEE HERE, THE, THERE IS NO ORIGINAL PLANTERS THAT ARE LEFT. IS THAT THE, THE MAIN CONCERN THERE, MR. ? YES, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS STILL SOME OF THE MORE SLOPING PLANTING AREAS, BUT, UH, I HADN'T BEEN DOWN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S CORRECT. LOOKS LIKE IT IN THIS PICTURE. DO DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? UM, , UH, YEAH, UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. IT'S JUST, UM, ALL, IT'S ALL BEEN CHANGED TO TARIFF PLANTERS. THERE'S NO SLOPING AT ALL. THEY BUILT THE, UH, I GUESS THE RETAINING WALLS RIGHT AT THE, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE RIVER WALK ITSELF, AND THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO SLOPE AT ALL. UM, IT'S JUST MAINLY FLAT PLANTER BEDS. AND THEN AS IT GETS TOWARDS, INTO DEEPER PLANTING, THERE'S THE, UM, A RETAINING WALL ALONG THE BACKSIDE. YOU KNOW, PETER , YOU KNOW, PETE, I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW AS WELL TOO IS THE WALL NORTH OF THE SIDEWALK RIGHT THERE. CERTAINLY WE'RE KEEPING THE, THE, THE, THE PALM TREES AND COMBINING AREAS THAT ON THE RIVERSIDE, BUT, BUT BASICALLY THAT WALL IS, IS FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE REMAINING THERE. WE'RE, WE'RE [00:35:01] CUTTING THROUGH IT. AND ON THE BACKSIDE, WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING THE PLANNERS TO HELP STEP THAT. WHAT'S DIFFICULT IS, IS GIVEN THE VERY, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY OF, OF, OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY LINE, TRYING TO, TO DROP THE BUILDING DOWN, THAT, THAT WE CAN CREATE AN INTERACTION BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIANS OR RETAIL, THE OPEN AREA. I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH DISTANCE TO GO A SLOW BALL. SO WHAT, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS TO RECREATE THAT FEELING THROUGH STEP PLANNERS, STEP WALLS, AND IN AN INVITING ENVIRONMENT TO TAKE YOUR RIGHT BACK UP TO THE HOTEL AND THE HOTEL ENTRY. I, I MEAN, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO RESPECT THAT FEELING, BUT ALSO TO TRY AND CREATE THE, UH, THE FUN OF THE HOTEL THAT, THAT WILL WE'RE ALLOWED AS WELL TOO, FOR THE INTERACTION WITH PEDESTRIANS AS THAT WALKED THROUGH THERE, INTRODUCING THE, UH, THE HANDICAPPED WHEELCHAIR RAMPS AND THE RAMPS AND THE STEPS. IT, IT, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A, A CHALLENGE. I THINK THAT MARK AND NICK, PETE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES. BUT AGAIN, YOU TEND IS TO KEEP THAT WALL RIGHT THERE AND GO BEHIND IT. BASICALLY, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, AND LOOKING HERE ON THIS SLIDE EIGHT, THE WALL AT THE, BASICALLY THE CENTER OF THE DRAWING OR THE RENDERING SHOWS THAT CURVING UP TO THOSE NEW STEPS. HOWEVER, ON THE, UH, SIDE PLAN 14, THAT IS SHOWN AS A SQUARE CORNER, UH, RATHER THAN A CURVED, UH, TRANSITION BETWEEN THE EXISTING WALL AND THE NEW, UH, SALVAGE STONEWALL, UM, WONDERING WHICH IS, IS BEING PROPOSED AS THE, UH, THE CURVED WALL AND THE RENDERING OR THE SQUARE CORNER IN THE FLOOR IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SQUARE CORNERS. UM, IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S JUST MUCH EASIER TO TIE INTO THAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL FOR THIS WALK. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING A, A REALLY EXPANSIVE, UM, PA PROBLEM THAT WE CAN JUST GET IT IN THERE. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO GET MORE PLANES IN BED, UM, ALONG THE RIVER WALL. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, AND I WAS STUDYING THE, UM, THE HUB CAN HOLD IT MORE CLOSELY AND, AND, UM, AND CLEARLY LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE NOW AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED , THAT THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF THAT, UH, THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED. BUT, UH, ALSO IT'S CLEAR IS THAT THIS PORTION OF THE RIVER'S GONE THROUGH A PROGRESSIVELY URBANIZING OR TAMING OF THE, UH, RIVERWALK. AND WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE WALKWAYS THROUGH THERE, THAT FURTHER TOOK THIS IDEA OF THIS SORT OF NICE GRASS SLOPING, UM, BANK THAT WENT RIGHT DOWN TO THE RIVER TO A COUPLE OF RETAINING WALLS AT THE RIGHT RIVER EDGE. THOSE WERE SORT OF TAKEN AWAY AT THE TIME WHEN THE, THE LOCK WAS PUT IN. AND SO, UH, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THOSE ARE CONDITIONS THAT FOR PREDATE WHAT THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSING, THIS PROJECT IS TAKING EVEN FURTHER THIS KIND OF IDEA, UH, TAMING AND KIND OF URBANIZING THE, UH, THIS STRETCH OF THE RIVERWALK. I THINK THERE'S BEEN, UH, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO REUSE THE MATERIAL AND TO CAPTURE THE CHARACTER, THE QUALITY. UM, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GABRIEL THAT I, I WISH THERE WAS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SOFTENING OF THE EDGE THERE, BUT I THINK SOME OF THAT SOFTENING GOT LOST WHEN, WHEN THE RIVER GOT A, A, A WALK THROUGH THAT SECTION TO BEGIN WITH. UM, BUT, UM, I THINK, UH, THE PROPOSAL HERE DOWN TO RIVER LEVEL, UH, I'M, I'M, UM, SATISFIED WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO, UH, REQUESTS FROM, FROM STAFF AND FROM COMMISSIONERS. UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, FETZER, THIS IS VELASQUEZ AGAIN. YEAH, JUST, I JUST WANT TO, UH, JUST ECHO AGAIN, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS, BUT, BUT I, I, I DO, I DO REALLY FEEL TO, TO THE ARCHITECTS, I REALLY DO FEEL THAT THAT THAT LITTLE CHALLENGE, CONSIDERING WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED IS IN, IN ACCOMPLISHING, UH, A, A REALLY FINE PRODUCT. UH, THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY IS [00:40:01] A STRONGER GRAFTING OF THE INTENT OF THE RIVER, NOT THE BUILDING. IT, IT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A MAKE OR BREAK FOR YOUR BUILDING, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT THAT IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE MASTERY OF THE RIVER, THAT, THAT IT IS OBVIOUS, THAT SHARP EDGE THAT THE CHAIRMAN WAS MENTIONING A SECOND AGO, THAT SHARP EDGE, IT IS AN ALIEN. AND, AND IT, IT, IT, IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHY, UH, NOW I, I KNOW THERE'S COSTS OR THERE WHAT'S SITS SIMPLER OR WHAT'S EASIER, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASSIVE BUILDING HERE THAT, THAT REALLY WOULD REDUCE ANY, ANY, UH, UH, PROBLEM, UH, WITH RESPECT TO A PLAN TRIP. SO I, I JUST SAY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE PROJECT IS VERY, IS VERY BEAUTIFUL, BUT YOU HAVE TO JUST LISTEN TO THE RIVER ITSELF, LISTEN TO THE EXISTING STONE AND THOSE OLD DRAWINGS AND, AND MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO, IF, IF HAMAN'S, UH, REAL OBJECTIVE WAS THE INTENT AND NOT SO MUCH HIS LINES TO, TO ALLOW THE LINES TO REPRESENT THE INTENT SO THAT IF, IF OUR ARGUMENT IS MAINTAINING AS MUCH OF HAMAN'S ACTUAL WORK VERSUS LISTENING TO THE LESSONS OF HAMAN AND DESIGNING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT ABOVE THE RIVER IS DEFINITELY A HARD ASPHALT EDGED WORLD WHEN WE GO DOWN INTO THE RIVER, UH, IT BEGS THEIR REBUILDING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT TO, TO TRY ITS BEST TO GRAFT ITSELF INTO THE RIVER. AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY FAILURE FOR COMING OUT OF THIS BUILDING INTO THE RIVER, IS THAT THERE IS NO, NO TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO ENVIRONMENTS. AND I, I THINK MOVING FORWARD, YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT AND I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE YOU TO, TO, TO ON YOUR OWN WITHOUT ANYBODY SAYING PASSES OR FAILS, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR OWN, SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK AND, AND LET US SEE IF WE CAN'T FILE THE EDGES A BIT AND, AND, AND, AND, AND TREAT IT LIKE CL A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE CLAY ON THE BOTTOM AS OPPOSED TO SHARP EDGE. SO, UH, THESE ARE MY COMMENTS. UH, THIS COMMISSIONER FISH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE AREN'T ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. ALRIGHT. UM, I MOVE, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH STIPULATION, UH, ONE IN A MODIFIED FORM, UH, THAT IT ONLY INCLUDE, UH, A SALVAGE PLAN AND REUSE PLAN FOR THE EXISTING STONE ELEMENTS, UH, AS PART OF THE FINAL LANDSCAPING. UM, STIPULATION TWO AND STIPULATION FOUR. SO TO SUMMARIZE, I, I THINK, I BELIEVE STIPULATION THREE IN THE FIRST PART OF STIPULATION ONE HAS BEEN MET. SO I'VE LEFT THOSE OUT OF THE MOTION. UM, COMMISSIONER FISH, I ACTUALLY DID WANNA JUST CLARIFY, UH, STIPULATION THREE IS IN REGARDS TO BUILDING MATERIALS, NOT I IT, IT, IT IS, IT'S, I I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. UH, I THINK WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE BUILDING MATERIALS AT THE RIVER LEVEL AND THE STONE THAT WAS THERE, SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING. IT'S CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND QUE HERE WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER BOLAND? AYE. CHAIRMAN, ZER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, RACHEL, YOU GOT THE NEXT ITEM? UNMUTE RACHEL. ONE SECOND. OKAY. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES. THANK YOU. UH, IDENTIFY ITEM [20-3415 Address/Description: 150 CROFTON HDRC Case No.: 2020-166 Landmark Name: Mills House Historic District Name: King William RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: TERRY HUNTER/HUNTER TERRY & STEPHANIE Request: Front yard fence and driveway gate installation City Council Dist.: 1] NUMBER THREE H C R T CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 1 66 ADDRESS, ONE 50 CROFTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A NEW FRONT YARD PERIMETER FENCE, PEDESTRIAN GATE, AND [00:45:01] DRIVEWAY GATE ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT DOES NOT INSTALL A CONCRETE FENCE BASE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN. THE STAFF WILL REVIEW AN APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL CERTIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PEDESTRIAN GATE BASED ON FINDING F ITEM THREE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT DRIVEWAY GATE BASED ON FINDING G AND THE APPLICANT, TERRY HUNTER IS HERE. AND COMMISSIONER FOR REFERENCE. UM, WE DO HAVE LETTERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW OVER TWO WE'RE IN OPPOSITION AND ONE IS IN SUPPORT. UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS THERE, UM, YOU CAN SORT OF, UH, WALK COMMISSIONERS THROUGH, UM, YOUR INTENT OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE STIPULATIONS FROM STAFF. YES. UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I'M ON OR NOT. UH, YES, WE HEAR YOU. JUST, MY NAME IS TERRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME'S UH, TERRY HUNTER. I RESIDE AT ONE 50 CROFTON. WE PURCHASED THIS HOUSE BACK IN, UH, EARLY MARCH OF 2020. THE PERSON BEFORE US HAD PASSED AWAY IN DECEMBER OF, OF, UH, I BELIEVE IN 2018. THE HOUSE WAS VACANT FOR WELL OVER A YEAR. UM, UH, THE DAUGHTER OF THE DECEASED WAS LIVING THERE AND SHE JUST HAPPENED TO BE AWAY AT THE TIME WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BROKEN INTO. IT WAS VERY VIOLENT. THE DOORS WERE KNOCKED DOWN, THERE WAS, UH, LOTS OF BLOOD AND THERE WAS BLOOD IN THE HOUSE WHEN I MOVED IN. UH, THE REASON, UH, THE PERSON WAS ABLE TO GET INTO THE HOUSE WAS DUE TO A, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WAS FOUR FEET HIGH AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAD, UH, AT LEAST SIX FEET, UH, HIGH FENCES. SO OUR PRIORITY ONE ONCE WE MOVED IN HERE WAS TO PUT A, UH, IN THE BACKYARD AND ON THE SIDES, UM, TO PUT UP A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. WE KNEW, AND THAT WAS APPROVED. AND, UH, I'VE HAD THE PERMIT FOR THAT SINCE, UH, UH, I WANNA SAY APRIL 15TH. AND, UM, WE, WE WERE MOVING FORWARD UNTIL, UH, OUR NEIGHBOR OUT A RESTRAINING ORDER, AND THAT WAS LIFTED, UM, THIS PAST TUESDAY. BUT, UH, SHE HAS USED THAT DRIVEWAY TO GET BACK TO THE HER HOUSE. AND SHE SET THAT WE PUT THIS FENCE UP. SHE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO HER, UH, HER A C A C UNITS, WHICH SHE HAS ACCESS TO, TO HER GARAGE. BUT ANY, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. BUT, UH, IN ANY EVENT, WE WANTED THE FRONT GATE. IF YOU SAW THE PICTURES THAT MR. CONRAD SUBMITTED, YOU'LL SEE WE WERE LOOKING FOR A PUPPY FENCE, FOUR FEET HIGH. UH, THE, THERE WAS A CONCRETE, UH, CURBING THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAS ON THE, BETWEEN THE 1 4 8 AND, AND OUR HOUSE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC THAT TO SOME DEGREE. WE DO HAVE, WE, WE WILL HAVE P C P PIPING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S DRAINAGE AND, BUT, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL FENCES ALL THROUGH KING WILLIAM AND, AND MADISON AS WELL AS ON DUMPER AND ONE AND ONE ON CROFTON THAT HAVE A, A BASE, UH, UNDER THE, UH, WROUGHT IRON BLACK METAL FENCE. AND, UM, AS FOR THE DRIVEWAY FENCE, UH, AGAIN, AS MR. CONRAD MENTIONS, UH, THERE'S EIGHT OF THE SAME DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAYS ARE, ARE PRETTY RARE ON CROFTON, BUT THOSE THAT HAVE IT, UH, EIGHT OF THE EIGHT OF THE 10 HAVE HAVE DRIVEWAY FENCES AND ALL THAT. UH, ALL THE TWO ARE HAVE A WAY OF OPENING WITH A CLICKER. AND, UH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC THAT. UH, MY WIFE IS IMMUNE IMPAIRED. SHE, UH, HAS HEALTH, HEALTH ISSUES AND SHE NEEDS TO HAVE THAT ELECTRIC FENCE TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY, THE PARKING LOT ON THE DRIVEWAY. UH, IT'S VERY ISSUES I MIGHT HAVE MISSED. I'M DONE. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME. I'M, I'M NEW TO THE AREA. I CAME FROM GERMANY. I WAS STATIONED OVER THERE AND, UH, AND I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH A NEIGHBOR BEFORE, SO THIS IS NEW TO ME AS WELL. THIS IS COMM, THIS IS [00:50:01] COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, NO SIR. I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE GATE. THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THAT FENCE TURN BACK SUCH THAT THE GATE IS BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE. UH, WHAT IS THE PORCH CONDITION THERE? HOW WOULD A FENCE TERMINATE? SO THAT'S THE OPEN END OF THE PORCH. IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FRONT LOCATION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. I, I JUST, WE, WE SEE THIS, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME WHERE THE GUIDELINES, UH, SUGGEST THAT, THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE A GATE AT THE DRIVEWAY. INSTEAD, THE FENCE SHOULD TURN BACK AND, UH, RESOLVE AT THE HOUSE. AND THE GATE SHOULD BE BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE. BUT IN THE, IN THE CASES WHERE THERE'S AN OPEN PORCH ON THE SIDE OF THE DRIVE, I, I DON'T FIND THAT PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATE. SO I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE GATE REQUEST. UM, THE, THIS STAFF IS WRECKING, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON THE PEDESTRIAN GATE AND YOU'VE AGREED TO THE HEIGHT. SO IN MY MIND, THE ONLY THING WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IS THE CONCRETE BASE. I'M FAMILIAR, UH, OF THESE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IS IF THEY WERE KIND OF BROUGHT IN LATER. UM, AND I'M HOPING SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT ON A CONCRETE BAY BASE ROOF LIKE THIS. UH, THIS IS MR. CARPENTER. UM, I HAVE JUST A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK IN THE CASES WHERE WE HAVE, UM, ALLOWED FOR THE DRIVEWAY GATE TO TAKE PLACE, UH, UP AT THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE RATHER THAN BACK AT THE LINE OF THE HOUSE, UH, HAS BEEN WHEN THE PORCHES HAVE ACTUALLY HAD, UH, ACCESS OR, OR ACTUALLY OPEN OR, OR HAVE THIS, HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF CLOSE TO GRADE, UH, IN THAT CONDITION. AT THE END OF IT, IN THIS CASE, IT'S ELEVATED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY AND HAS A RAIL THAT WRAPS AROUND IT. AND I'M WONDERING IF, IF THERE COULD BE A CONDITION, UH, WHERE THAT THAT FENCE DOES CONTINUE BACK. AND SO YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE VEH GATE BACK AT THE PLANE OF THE FRONT PLANE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. UH, IT, I, I HAVEN'T QUITE SEEN THAT VIEW AT AN ANGLE YET OF THAT VIEW. THAT GIVES ME CLARITY WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, IT IS OBSCURED BY THAT, UM, ACCESSIBLE, UH, RAMP THERE IN THE FRONT. IS THAT RAMP TO REMAIN? NO, SIR. THAT I HAVE A, A PERMIT ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY O H P FOR THE ADMIN STAMP TO REMOVE THAT RAMP. THAT RAMP IS GOING BYE-BYE. IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S A MATTER OF TIME. WE'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE HOUSE FAIRLY 60 DAYS. WE STILL HAVE SUITCASES DONE PACKED, BUT, UH, HERE NOR THERE WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TWO GATES, SIR. UH, I THOUGHT ON, ON THE, WE'RE HAVING A WOODEN GATE PROBABLY BACK, UH, IN THE AREA WHERE THE PREVIOUS, IN FACT, IT'S STILL THERE, UH, ANGLING FENCE THAT WAS FOUR FEET HIGH AND HAVE A WOODEN FENCE. IT WON'T BE, IT JUST BE IT BE A GATE, SIR. IT'LL NOT BE ELECTRONIC OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST A MANUAL GATE. AND THEN THE ELECTRONIC GATE WOULD BE UP THERE BY THE, BY THE CURB AREA, AND IT WAS, IT WOULD COME INLAND TOWARD THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. FROM THE HOUSE TO THE STREET. AND I'M SORRY, SIR. AND, UH, SO, SO YES, THE, UM, THE RAMP IS GOING AWAY. THE ISSUE IS, IT IS A VERY, AS I HAD MENTIONED TO RACHEL, THE DRIVEWAY'S VERY NARROW. IT'S ONLY NINE FEET WIDE IF THAT, THAT WIDE. AND IF YOU PULL UP, UH, BY THE HOUSE OR ANYTHING, YOU CAN'T GET YOUR DOORS OPEN, ESPECIALLY ON MY TUNDRA. UH, AND SO IT'S A VERY NARROW AREA. AND SO THE ONLY AREA THAT YOU CAN PARK IS REALLY FROM THE, UH, RIGHT BEHIND THE GATE, THE FU THE FUTURE GATE UP TO WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE RAMP IS. NOW, THAT AREA, YOU CAN'T GO, YOU CAN'T GET BY THE HOUSE, UH, IN THAT AREA. YOU CAN'T PARK BESIDE THE HOUSE. YOU, YOU HAVE TO PARK BESIDE THE PORCH, SIR. OKAY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. AND I, I DID REALIZE THAT YOUR PLAN HAD, UH, TWO GATES INVOLVED IN IT. UH, BUT SO YOU, YOU CANNOT GET A VEHICLE PAST THE HOUSE TO PARK BEHIND THE HOUSE. YOU, YOU COULD GET ONE, BUT IT'D BE TIGHT TO KIND OF GET OUT. YOU'D HAVE TO GET OUT THE PASSENGER SIDE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, AGAIN, THE ISSUE WITH MY NEIGHBOR, UH, UH, THERE WAS SOME ENCROACHMENT WITH HER, HER PLANTINGS AND EVERYTHING. AND SO WE CUT THAT BACK TO RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. AND NOW THAT NOW YOU CAN GET OUTTA THE TRUCK ON THE PASSENGER SIDE WITH NO ISSUES, OR YOU CAN PULL OVER MORE TO THE RIGHT TO GIVE, GIVE YOURSELF SPACE BECAUSE [00:55:01] YOU'LL BE ON THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY. AND I WAS TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOUR DRIVEWAY'S LESS THAN 10 FEET AND THE DRIVEWAY GOES BACK TO THE VERY END OF THE END OF THE PROPERTY, THAT THERE WAS EXCEPTIONS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE, WHERE, WHERE I'M GOING FORWARD WITH, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND REGARDING THE CONCRETE BASE AT THE BOTTOM OF A, OF A WR IRON INSIDE, YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT AS A CONDITION YOU SEE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND, UM, I, I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT. I, I THINK THAT IS, UH, IS A COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE, UH, THING TO DO. I, I, I STILL KIND OF WONDER ABOUT WHETHER THE GATE SHOULD BE BACK AT PLENTY OF THE HOUSE. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. I, I WOULD ECHO MY PHONE. COMMISSIONER, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. UM, I WOULD ECHO MY PUBLIC COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THAT GATE. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, JUST BECAUSE I, I THINK REMOVING THE, THE AADA A RAMP AND LOOKING AT THIS, THIS SURVEY, IT, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH, UM, THIS DOESN'T REALLY, UM, MEET KIND OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE WHENEVER WE, UH, USUALLY APPROVE THE FRAUD GATES. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. I THINK THAT THE CONCRETE BASIS, I THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. SIR, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT MR. CONRAD, UH, LETTER, THERE'S A PICTURE OF 1, 2, 3, UH, CROFTON. I, YEAH. ONE, TWO, YEAH. 1, 2, 3, CROFTON. THERE'S A PICTURE OF A FRONT GATE. THAT'S THE STYLE WE'RE TRYING TO COPY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH QUESTION FOR STAFF. I, I'M JUST, I CANNOT GET ACCESS TO THE LETTERS. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD READ THOSE? THERE'S THE PHOTO, SIR. AND COREY, HAVE THE LETTER OPEN IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ IT. UM, I'VE GOT 'EM TOO. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO START. OH, OKAY. THAT'S THREE LETTERS. WE SHOULD READ THEM ALL TO BE FAIR. UM, THE FIRST ONE COMES FROM, UM, BEVERLY SCHWARZMAN, WHO LIVES AT 1 56 CROFTON. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE APPEARANCE OF ONE 50 PROTON ON THE AGENDA OF THE H C R C. I REFER YOU TO PHOTO 22 ON THE APPLICATION THAT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL FENCE THAT EXISTED BETWEEN THE HOUSES AT THE TIME OF OUR PURCHASE OF OUR HOME ON 1 56 PROTON IN 2005. THE ORIGINAL FENCE EXISTED WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNERS OF OUR HOME PURCHASED THIS HOUSE IN 2004. THE PLAN TO BUILD A WOODEN FENCE ALONGSIDE MY HOME IN PHOTO 22, UM, WAS STARTED BEFORE THE APPROVAL OF THE H G R C. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO NOTICE, AGAIN, THE GREEN CORD THAT RUNS ALONGSIDE MY HOME ACTUALLY TOUCHES MY HOME. IF THIS WOODEN FENCE ALLOWS, FOLLOWS THIS LINE, UM, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT SIDE OF MY HOME. MAINTAINING THIS HOUSE WOULD INCLUDE PAINTING CARE FOR THE WINDOW FRAMES AND WINDOWS, REPAIRING WHAT IS NECESSARY, AS WELL AS SERVICING MY AC THE OWNERS SET THE STAKES AND BEGAN WORK WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. HOOKED DOWN THE ORIGINAL CYCLONE FENCE TRIMED CONCRETE PAD ALONG, UM, UPON WHICH MY AC UNITS, UH, REST. UM, I HAD, I HAD TO HAVE AC DRIP PANS AND OTHER LINES THAT HAVE BEEN, THAT HAD BEEN PLUGGED, REPAIRED. UM, I HAVE MOVED FORWARD TO HAVE A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER ISSUED, AND WE ARE IN THE LEGAL PROCESS OF HALING THIS PROJECT. I WOULD APPRECIATE THIS BEING CONSIDERED BEFORE APPROVAL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING BUILT. THANK YOU. UM, THEN THIS NEXT ONE, UM, COMES FROM THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION. UM, DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT WITH THE APPLICANT ON MAY 27TH, 2020. WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, HOWEVER, WILL SUPPORT APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION ESTIMATED WITHOUT ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. ONE OF THE 10 HOUSES ON CROFTON STREET THAT HAD FRONT YARD FENCES WITH DRIVEWAY GATE, DRIVEWAY GATES, EIGHT OF THE DRIVEWAY GATES ARE NEAR THE STREET PROPERTY LINE. AS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THIS APPLICATION IS ALIGNED WITH THE PATTERN ESTABLISHED ON AND ELSEWHERE. TWO, THE FORMER FENCE ON THE SIDE OF THE FRONT YARD WAS INSTALLED ON THE EXISTING LOW CONCRETE CURB. FORMER FENCE HAS BEEN REMOVED WITH THE CONCRETE CURB REMAINS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL THE NEW FENCES ON THE CONCRETE CURB AND INSTALL A MATCHING CURB. PARALLELS SEVERAL FEET BEHIND THE STREET SIDEWALK TO SET THE NEW FENCES ON. THE PLANTING BED OF NEW SHRUBS IS PLANNED BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE SIDEWALK, THE STREET SIDEWALK. THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR FENCE, SAY KING WILLIAM, AND SPECIFICALLY ON AND YOUNGER STREET. UM, THAT SET ON CURBS OR WALLS ON PAGE FIVE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR SITE [01:00:01] ELEMENTS HAS A PHOTO OF A HOUSING WITH A FENCE ON A LOW CONCRETE WALL. WE FIND THIS REQUEST IS ALSO IN KEEPING WITH THE PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT SHOULD BE APPROVED. UM, AND THERE ARE IMAGES OF THAT I BELIEVE ARE DUPLICATED IN THE OBLIGATION. UM, LAST LETTER COMES FROM ELLEN LONG. THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY EMAIL. UM, I'M WRITING TO INFORM YOU OF A LAWSUIT THAT HAS BEEN FILED AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER OF ONE 50 CROFTON BY MY SISTER-IN-LAW WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY AT 1 56 CROFTON. THE PROPOSED FENCE THAT IS PLACED AGAINST HER HOUSE OVER THOSE WILL BE CUT OFF, WILL CUT OFF ACCESS HER H V A C SYSTEM, WHICH THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE ALREADY DAMAGED HER H V A C SYSTEM AS WELL. AND A DOUBT THAT THE H C R C WOULD'VE PROVEN IN SUCH FENCE UP BE OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD NOT DIVULGE THAT INFORMATION. WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED THE BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE FENCE. IN CONCLUSION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE MAKE THE H D O C AWARE OF THE PENDING LAWSUIT TO PREVENT THE FENCE FROM BEING BUILT UNTIL THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. THANK YOU COREY. JUST IN, IN REACTION TO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, I THINK THE POSITION OF THE SIDE YARD FENCE ON THE PROPERTY LINE IS APPROPRIATE SO LONG AS IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE, THE MATERIALS ARE APPROPRIATE. SO, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATED HEARING, UH, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S COMMENTS, AND I, AND I CONCUR, UH, WITH THEM. I'D MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATIONS TWO AND THREE. THE APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO AND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE IS SUBMITTED. SECOND VELASQUE, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. MAY I HAVE A MO UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE? EZ AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NAY. CHAIRMAN, I COMMISSIONER BROMAN? AYE. CHAIRMAN FETZER? AYE. MR, ARE YOU THERE? YES. THIS IS COMMISSIONER LI AND I VOTE NAYYY, I BELIEVE MOTION PASSES. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GARY. SO COMMISSIONER THE COMMENT? YES, YOU MAY. IS HE MUTE? IF NOT, THAT'S FINE. YES, YOU MAY, WE CAN HEAR YOU. I JUST WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT THE WOODEN FENCE WAS ALREADY APPROVED BACK IN ON, UH, APRIL, UH, 13TH, I BELIEVE. SO THE WITNESS WAS NEVER THROUGH THE ISSUE BEFORE TODAY WAS THE METAL FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THOSE LETTERS WERE SUBMITTED. UH, THEY KNOW HAD A PERMIT, SO MAKES SENSE. BUT AGAIN, I, I WANT THANK THE BOARD AND I WANT THANK RACHEL AND, UH, ALL THE FOLKS THERE, UH, AT, AT THE L H P, THEY'VE BEEN WONDERFUL. THIS IS MY VERY FIRST TIME AND THEY, THEY WERE SO SUPPORTIVE AND I, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS ASSOCIATION AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR, UM, LETTING THIS GO FORWARD. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, COMMISSIONER, WE'RE GONNA GO SLIGHTLY OUT OF ORDER. UM, WE HAD A HARD TIME REACHING APPLICANTS [20-3411 Address/Description: 306 AUSTIN ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-185 Landmark Name: Individual Landmark Applicant: Paul Vidal/Custom Signs Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 2] FOR THE NEXT TWO ITEMS, SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM 6, 3 0 6, AUSTIN. UM, STEPH WILL UNMUTE YOU. ARE YOU UNMUTED? LAUREN? STEP? ALL RIGHT, STEPH, WE'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SIX, H E O C. CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 180 5 ADDRESS, 3 0 6 AUSTIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A NEW SIGN [01:05:01] MEASURING APPROXIMATELY 40 SQUARE FEET. THE SIGN WILL BE FIXED OVER THE ORIGINAL GATE AND BUILDING NAME MARKER AT THE CENTER OF THE PARA PIT ON THE FRONT. ADE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING D THAT FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A LOCATION AND DESIGN THAT DOES NOT. THE ORIGINAL PARAPET WITH BUILDING NAME AND DATE AS NOTED IN FINDING D TEMPORARY SIGNAGE MAY BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE U D C UNTIL PERMANENT SIGNAGE IS APPROVED AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT CALL ON THE LINE. GOOD AFTERNOON GENTLEMEN. HEY PAUL, WE CAN HEAR YOU. GO AHEAD. AWESOME. UH, I WANT TO TAKE THE TIME. FIRST OFF, THANK Y'ALL FOR, UH, TAKING THE TIME TO OVERLOOK THIS PROJECT. UM, I AM DOING IT FOR ONE OF OUR CLIENTS AND THE GENTLEMAN HAS, UH, SEVERAL VENTURES DOWN ON BROADWAY AND DOWN THAT AREA. AND HE JUST SAW A REALLY NICE OPPORTUNITY, SOMETHING NICE ON THIS, ON THIS BUILDING. UM, AND, UM, PROPOSED TO PUT A SIGN FACING THE, THE ACTUAL STREET, UH, FACING THE ACTUAL INTERSTATE. UM, THE PREVIOUS, UH, TENANT ALSO HAD A SIGN THERE AND A SIGN ON THE SITE. WE HAD REMOVED THE SIGN ON THE SITE AND MOVED THE ONE IN FRONT. UM, SO I SUBMITTED WHERE WE HAD PROPOSED AND IT WOULD BE A FRONT LIFT SIGN, UH, WITH A, A ALUMINUM PANEL, UH, ROUTED OUT WITH THE GAS, ACTUAL LETTERS HAVING A, A PLEXI WHITE VACUUMING. UM, SO IT WOULDN'T ILLUMINATE SAY, UH, UM, A LOT, BUT IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ILLUMINATE THE LETTERS. IT WOULD, IT'S KIND OF A FANCY, UM, NICE LITTLE SIGN. NOW BEING THAT IT'S A HISTORICAL BUILDING. I ALSO MENTIONED TO A GENTLEMAN, 'CAUSE HE'S TALKED, WORKING WITH THE ACTUAL OWNERS, I SAID, I REALLY WOULD NOT LIKE TO DO ANY KIND OF DAMAGE TO THE SAW OF THE BUILDING. SO WE, WE PROPOSED A, A HANDER HAND, LIKE KIND OF SYSTEM, A HANDER SIGN OFF THE ACTUAL RETAINING WALL THAT COMES UP OFF THE ROOF. SO WE WOULDN'T PUT ANY KIND OF PENETRATION OF THE ACTUAL F SAW OR DAMAGE ANYTHING ON THE F SAW. UM, SO THE ACTUAL ONLY WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. UM, HE, HE JUST, HE, HE, HE'S JUST HAPPY WITH GOT TENANT IN THEN THE ACTUAL TENANT. BUT MY CLIENT JUST WANTS TO GET THIS ROLLING. IT'S BEEN ALMOST FOUR MONTHS, UM, THREE MONTHS, I'M SORRY. AND OF COURSE TWO MONTHS OF COVID, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HELP US ANY, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW HE GOT A POINT WHERE HE REALLY WANTS TO GET, UH, GET IT APPROVED SO CAN FORWARD. IS THIS, GO AHEAD. OH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY, UH, THANK YOU GABRIEL. UM, HAS THE, HAS YOUR CLIENT EXPLORED ANY OTHER LOCATIONS IN, IN THIS FACADE? UM, THERE SURE IS. IT'S A DIFFICULT PLACE, BUT I CAN SEE, UH, AND I, I SEE HOW HE WOULD WANT TO CHOOSE THE TOP THERE BECAUSE OF THE VIEW FROM THE HIGHWAY, BUT IT IS COVERING THE ORIGINAL SIGNAGE OF THE BUILDING. HAS HE EXPLORED ANY OTHER LOCATIONS OR THE, FOR THIS SIGN? SO YOU SHOULD SAY THAT I, I I, I WAS ON THE PHONE STEPHANIE THIS MORNING AND WE DID SHE THAT SAY MAYBE LIKE A SIGN MAYBE ON THE, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY DIFFICULT. YOU SEE THE SAW, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO PUT ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE ANYWHERE. I MEAN, YOU GOT THAT LITTLE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE, UH, AND THEN YOU GOT MAYBE A SMALL LITTLE SIGN BAND THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ABOVE THE AWNING, UH, CABLE THAT'S HOLDING THE AWNING. BUT THAT'S ONLY, I WANNA SAY MAYBE TWO FEET IN, IN HEIGHT. UH, SO, AND SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE RIGHT, THE MOST, THE MOST, UM, I GUESS, UH, VISUAL PLACE WOULD BE RIGHT OR I WAS PROPOSING, BUT THE FLAG MOUNT DOESN'T SOUND A BAD IDEA EITHER. UH, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO REDESIGN, WE ACTUALLY DESIGN IT AND, AND MAYBE THE FLAG MOUNT, UH, ON MAYBE TOWARDS THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING TO THE, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UH, EITHER ONE, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT TO MY CUSTOMER. UM, BUT THAT IS A, THAT, THAT, THAT IS A POTENTIAL OPTION. I, I DON'T TECHNICALLY THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TOO. SO, UM, MY INITIAL, LIKE I SAID, MY INITIAL, UH, ASSESSMENT OF BUILDING, I JUST THOUGHT THAT, BOY, I COULDN'T SIGN. THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY LIKE THE BEST PART. AND I KNOW IT'S COVERING, UH, I BELIEVE MAYBE THE NAME OF THE, THE BUILDING OR MAYBE THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING. BUT WE'RE NOT DAMAGING IT. WE'RE JUST LETTING SOMETHING ON TOP OF IT AND WE'RE USING A HANGER SYSTEM ON IT. SO AS I SAY, THE TENANT DECIDES TO MOVE OUT SOME OTHER TIME. WE'RE NOT GONNA DAMAGE ANYTHING THAT'S [01:10:01] ON IT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BREAK BREAK OR WE'RE JUST, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA LIFT UP THAT SIGN AND TAKE IT OFF. UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, UH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE, WE PROPOSE THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE ON THAT BUILDING. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, JUST A CLARIFICATION QUESTION, UH, ON THIS, THE PHOTO, UM, MAYBE THE PREVIOUS ONE SHOWING THE, THE SIDE AND THE FRONT OF THE, THIS ONE, YOU SAID THAT THE BARBERSHOP SIGN HAS BEEN REMOVED AND THEN THE YES, SIR. UH, THE ONE ON THE SIDE, THE WHATEVER THAT YES SIR. BIG HOPS. YEAH, I THINK BIG HOPS, YES SIR. THOSE HAVE BEEN REMEMBERED. YES, SIR. YES, THOSE HAVE BEEN, YES, SIR. OKAY. STAFF. AND I WANNA SAY, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD SIR. I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS ONE RIGHT IN THAT, UM, ANY NEW SIGNAGE, UH, PROBABLY SHOULD NOT OBSCURE THE, UH, HISTORIC NAME AND DATA ON THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS STRUCTURE. AND IF YES, SIR, OTHER LOCATIONS COULD BE, UH, EXAMINED, UH, EITHER, UH, LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED BELOW THE, THE LITTLE WINDOW IN THE CENTER OR, UM, PERHAPS ANY VERTICAL SIGN ON THE CORNER THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY EARLIER. YES. MM-HMM. QUESTION TOO, SIR, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE SONG, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, OF THIS STRUCTURAL, I, MAYBE, MAYBE BEFORE THESE HAVE A HANGING SIGN OFF FOR 'EM OR MAYBE SOME FLAGS HANGING OFF. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, THOSE WERE. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THERE'S JUST BARS COMING OUT WITH A, WITH A CABLE ON 'EM. LET'S JUST SAY WE REMOVE ONE OF THOSE AND PUT THE ACTUAL A FLAG MAGNET SIGN THERE. WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE A PROBLEM WITH BE DISSOLVED? THAT I, WELL, I THINK WE'D NEED TO SEE THE, UH, DESIGN, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, POSSIBLY, PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN COVERING UP THE HISTORIC NAME ON THE BUILDING. YES, SIR. YEAH, I THINK THE CUSTOMER WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UH, UH, WOULD HAVE AN OPTION. HE'D BE HAPPY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM. HE JUST WANTS TO LIKE SAID, MOVE FORWARD, BUT I, LIKE I SAID, THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THERE RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SURE, LIKE I SAID, WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE, MAYBE THEY HAD, UH, SOME KIND OF SIGNAGES HANGING OFF THE WALL OR MAYBE THEY HAD SOME KIND OF FLAGS. UH, THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE LEFT SIDE. UM, WHAT THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A A WITH A HISTORICAL BOARD, HAVE A PROBLEM MAYBE WORKING REMOVED. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONAL. UM, THEY'RE RUSTY. UH, BUT REMOVING THAT AND MAYBE POSSIBLY, UH, EXPLORING THE DESIGN, MAYBE A SLIDE LINE DESIGN ON, ON, ON THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. UH, AND IT STILL WOULD BE, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THE CUSTOMER WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS, IT WOULD BE VISUAL. AND THEN STAFF, I, I CAN JUMP IN HERE. SO, UM, SIGNAGE FOR THIS BUILDING CAME BEFORE THE H D R C BACK IN 2017. MM-HMM. , UM, THAT ULTIMATELY NEVER GOT INSTALLED. THAT WAS A FLAG, UM, MOUNTED SIGN ON THE LEFT HAND OF THE BUILDING HERE. OKAY. UM, SO GENERALLY LOCATION OF WHERE THAT FLAG POLE WAS AND, AND WE WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT APPROACH. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT A, UH, A PROJECTING BLADE SIGN OR A FLAG SIGN LIKE STAFF IS SUGGESTING, BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. YOU'RE REMOVING ELEMENTS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT APPLICATION. UM, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON, ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE SO THAT THE CLIENT CAN, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN GET MOVING ALONG, UH, THE MOST QUICKLY? SHOULD HE CONSIDER WITHDRAWING OR SHOULD WE CONSIDER DENIAL? THAT'S THE SAME EFFECT. I MEAN, EVEN IF THERE'S A DENIAL THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE HIM FROM SUBMITTING A REVISED APPLICATION, MIGHT EVEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING, CAN I, CAN I JUMP IN AND SAY, CAN I REDO A DRAWING FOR, FOR YOU ALL MAYBE, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, LET MY CUSTOMER VIEW IT AND, AND, UH, MAKE SURE HE'S ABLE POST THAT OR, OR APPROVE IT. SO, UH, AND THEN SMIT IT TO, YOU CAN DO ADMINISTRATION, UH, APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. IS THAT POSSIBILITY? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT COULD BE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT. OKAY, SIR. SO, UM, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND ADJUDICATE THIS APPLICATION. I DON'T THINK IT HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT AND THAT CAN BE MADE AS A, A NEW APPLICATION TO STAFF WITH YOUR DRAWINGS. AND, UH, IF IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THIS US, [01:15:01] THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW, BUT HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE DEALT WITH. OKAY. ADMINISTRATIVELY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I, I MOVE FOR DENIAL. SECOND. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. CHAIRMAN FETZER, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION. ANY OTHER ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. MAYOR BOWMAN. AYE. CHAIRMAN BETTS AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LFO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, UM, WE'LL GO TO ITEM SEVEN NEXT. [20-3416 Address/Description: 301 BURLESON ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-190 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: thomas friedman/FRIEDMAN THOMAS J Request: Landscaping and shade structure installation City Council Dist.: 2] UM, THAT'S FREE IF WE CAN UNMUTE THEM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CASE NUMBER 20 21 90 AT 3 0 1 BURLESON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A WOOD PATIO IN THE SIDE YARD WITH ITS DETACHABLE SHAPED TAR AND TWO, INSTALL A FRONT YARD, ROCK GARDEN INCLUDING CONCRETE PAVERS. AND ARTIFICIAL TURF STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SAGE STRUCTURE AND LANDSCAPING BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH D. THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO INSTALL THE FEATURE SET FURTHER IN THE REAR OF THE SIDE YARD. THE FRONT YARD SHOULD OTHERWISE BE RESTORED TO NATURAL LAWN OR APPROPRIATE. ESCAPING, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE AND HE HAS, UH, AGREED TO CONSENT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WORK THROUGH IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. THIS WAS A COMPLIANCE CASE IN WHICH WORK HAS HALTED. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. SO, UM, I GUESS WE'LL TAKE, I GUESS WE'LL, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IF HE HAS ANYTHING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S AGREED TO THE STIPULATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND THE, THE, ESSENTIALLY THIS APPLICATION CAN BE DEALT WITH THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE WORK HAS ALREADY OCCURRED, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO REQUEST AN ACTION ON THIS ITEM. UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF FOR SOMETHING ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, BUT WE, WE STILL NEED AN ACTION. THIS COMMISSIONER LA UH, MY OPINION IS THIS, UM, ADDITION TO THE SIDE YARD SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE VERY FARTHEST BACK AREA OF THE YARD AS POSSIBLE. AND IN ADDITION THAT THERE BE ABSOLUTELY NO ARTIFICIAL TURF INCLUDED IN THE, UH, WORK. THOMAS, ARE YOU THERE ON THE LINE? CAN YOU CONFIRM, UH, THESE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? YES, I UNDERSTAND. MOVE THE PATIO BACK TO THE FARTHEST PART OF THE BACKYARD, NO ARTIFICIAL PERSON AND BRING THE FRONT LANDSCAPE TO THE WAY IT WAS. YEAH. UM, SO I THINK EITHER WE COULD SEE A DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST AND STAFF COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE WHAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED OR IT CAN BE AN APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT WERE JUST DESCRIBED. WE TO ONE OF THOSE. THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, HERE AND I THINK STAFF WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST SUITED TO REVIEW THOSE CHANGES AND DEAL WITH THIS. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR DENIAL. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER QUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. CHAIRMAN FETZER AYE. [01:20:02] AND COMMISSIONER FU AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT GOING TO [20-3408 Address/Description: 311 REFUGIO ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-175 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: BRIAN VOGES/VOGES DESIGN, LLC Request: New construction of two 2-story duplexes City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, THREE 11 RIO AND RACHEL . YES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT H C RT CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 1 75 ADDRESS, THREE 11 RIO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO TWO STORY DUPLEX HOMES AT THREE 11 RIO THAT DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH S STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS L THROUGH N THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND STILL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS M AND N FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES ALTERNATIVES TO THE FULL CONCRETE REAR PARKING PAD. FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THE PERCENTAGE OF BLOCK COVERAGE FOR THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WILL NOT BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE PLAINS OF ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES. SEVEN. THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS ELEVATION DRAWINGS FOR EACH ELEVATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT LA A LANDSCAPING PLAN, THE STAFF WILL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THE APPLICANT BRIAN IS HERE WITH US NOW. I EVERYBODY. BRIAN BOGGUSS, UH, WHAT UP HERE? OKAY, JUST KIND OF GOING OVER SOME OF THE FINDINGS. UH, I KNOW WE KIND OF REVIEWED THIS, UM, WITH THE D R C, UH, LAST WEEK AND WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK. UH, WE DID MEET THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT ANY ADDITIONAL MATERIAL TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS. UH, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE, UH, LOT SIZE AND THE PERCENTAGE BREAKDOWNS AND OUR SITE PLAN DOES SHOW OUR SETBACKS, BUT, UH, WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS KIND OF, THIS PROJECT A COUPLE TIMES. SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, ARE AWARE OF, UH, WE HAVE THE TWO LONG OR SENIOR BUILDINGS FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, SUBMITTAL AND WE'VE GONE BACK TO A NEW, UM, PROPOSAL SHOWING BASICALLY TWO DUPLEX SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, FACING, UH, EACH EACH DIRECTION WITH THEIR OWN FRONTAGE AND DRIVEWAYS AND, UH, SOME MATCHING THAT'S DEFINITELY MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BLOCK ABOUT THE PREVIOUS YEAH. COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE THE CORRECT SIDE PLAN OUT. NOW THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT VERSION. NO, THAT'S NOT THE MOST CURRENT VERSION THERE. WELL, YOU'RE SEEING A DELAYED, SO WE HAVE THE ONCE. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AND IN REFERENCE TO THE SITE PLAN IN THE DRIVEWAY, UH, THERE'S A LETTER IN THE FOLDER FROM THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, ASKING THAT THERE HAD, THAT THERE ADDITIONAL PARKING BE ACCOMMODATED ON SITE. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CONNECT THAT, THOSE TWO, UH, ITEMS TOGETHER. UH, I I CAN ALSO GIVE A REPORT FROM THE D R C. UM, THE D R C REVIEWED THIS PROJECT, I GUESS IT WAS LAST WEEK, IT SEEMS LIKE LONGER AGO. UM, NOW AND GENERALLY THE, UH, POSITION ON THE LOT AND THE MASSING, UH, WAS FOUND, UH, TO BE APPROPRIATE. UH, THE ARTICULATION OF THE ELEMENTS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED THE MASSING. AND THIS IS THE SECOND PROPOSAL WE HAVE SEEN ON THIS SITE IN RECENT YEARS. AND WE FOUND THAT THIS PROPOSAL WAS A LOT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT IT HAD MOVED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK WE ANTICIPATED, UH, SOME STAFF STIPULATIONS ABOUT, UH, THE FENESTRATION THE WINDOWS, PARTICULARLY THE, THE LARGE, THE LARGE OPENING ON THE FRONT. UM, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE I EXPRESSED THAT I MIGHT NOT HAVE A A, AN ISSUE WITH THAT KIND OF LARGER GANGED UP BAY STYLE, UH, WINDOW SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T READ AS A GARAGE, UH, A GLASS GARAGE DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO MAYBE MORE DETAILS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT, UH, TO WORK. UM, WHAT I'M, I'M KIND OF REVIEWING THE, THE LIST OF STIPULATIONS HERE. A LOT OF THOSE SEEM TO BE, UH, [01:25:01] IMMINENTLY ACHIEVABLE AND, AND, UH, WOULD NOT HAVE A, A LARGE IMPACT ON THIS PROJECT. CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS, UH, ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS, UM, THAT, THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH AT THIS POINT SO WE CAN KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON THOSE? YEAH, SO LEMME PULL, UH, SO SOME OF THE, BASED ON LIKE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS OUT WERE THERE, UM, OUR, OUR LOT COVERAGE IS, UH, FOR THE FRONT UNIT FACING, UH, REIO WOULD BE 40% AND THE LEICA SIDE WAS GOING TO BE 30, 36% OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO SOME TYPE OF DRIVEWAY SYSTEMS, WHETHER IT'S PAVERS, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THAT. WE, WE WILL BE SUBMITTING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WILL SHOW DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING ALL THAT. THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS. UH, OUR WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS ARE, ARE MOMENTS SAME ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. WE USE THE, THE LINCOLN, UH, WOOD ALUMINUM PLA WINDOW, UH, THAT Y'ALL APPROVED ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. UM, THE FRONT DOOR, UH, THAT FRONT KIND OF BACK BAY WINDOW WE'RE, WE'RE OPENING, WE'RE OPEN TO, TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF THAT AND DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S, IT IS KIND OF A FEATURE THAT WE, WE DID ON THE, ON THE DIVINE STREET PROJECT AND WE REALLY LIKED IT. BUT I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF IT NOT LOOKING AND HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF A GARAGE. WE, WE DON'T DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT EITHER. IT JUST KIND OF CREATES MORE OF A, UM, OPENNESS BETWEEN, OR TRANSPARENCY BETWEEN INSIDE THE HOUSE AND OUTSIDE THE HOUSE. AND SINCE WE HAVE THESE KIND OF 25 SECOND STEP BACK, WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF INCORPORATE THAT WITH THE YARD AND IT MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE PULLING, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A COVERED PATIO OVER IN FRONT OF THAT SPACE TO WRAP IT AROUND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO GIVE IT, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A HISTORIC ERRITORY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE ODDS AND ENDS THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE, UH, GONNA WORK THROUGH TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO, TO MAKE THIS, UH, OBVIOUSLY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO THE LOCK NEIGHBORHOOD IN, UM, O H P. UH, LEMME SEE. UH, YEAH, SO THAT THE REAR PARKING SETBACK DIAGRAMS THAT I THINK WE, WE WE'RE, WE'RE BASING OUR BUILDING SETBACKS RIGHT NOW ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, D R C MEETINGS. IN THE HEARINGS. WE'RE 25 FEET ON, UH, LACA AND WE'RE AT, UH, 14 FOOT ON RIO, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH, UH, BLOCKS. AND, UM, THEN AS WE, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH OUR, UH, PUT CONCEPTUAL I GOING INTO THE FINAL WALK, WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH SOME D R C HEARINGS, UH, WITH THE OFFICER TO KIND OF WORK OUT ALL THESE DESIGN DETAILS, UM, AS WE GO. BUT WE, WE WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO CONSENTING STATUTE. THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S, UM, OUT OF, UH, THE ORDINARY THAT THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. AGAIN, I THINK THE APPLICATION, UH, REALLY RISES TO THE LEVEL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. AND I AGREE WITH THE STIPULATIONS HERE. IT SEEMS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES AS WELL. UM, SO I MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AS PAST STIPULATIONS ION. WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE GOT TO THEM SOONER. UM, THERE A LETTER FROM THE AKAN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN YOUR BOULDER. UM, I ALSO HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE, UM, CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MUST MEET THE LOCK COVERAGE STANDARDS BE REDUCED IN MASSING AND RECONFIGURE WINDOW PATTERNS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE DISTRICT, UH, RESPECTFUL AND SUBMIT AT THE CONSERVATION SITE. THANK YOU. SO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. WE WILL BE, WE WILL BE, UH, ADHERED TO THE, UH, LOCK COVERAGE MINIMUMS AND I THINK OUR MASKING, UH, BASED ON ALL OUR OTHER PROJECTS MIDDLES AND THROUGH D R C, OUR MASKING IS DEFINITELY CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR WINDOW SELECTIONS, OUR AND OUR PATTERNS WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT AND REMOVE SOME OF THOSE, UM, ITEMS AS WE NEED TO. SO, SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I USUALLY DON'T LIKE HAVING THIS LONG LIST OF STIPULATIONS, BUT WE DO READ DOWN THROUGH THE, I THINK THERE HAS, UH, MR. BISHOP SAID THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, PRETTY EASY TO ATTAIN TO HERE. UM, AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE THAT THESE, THESE, THESE ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO YOUR FINAL APPROVAL. I THINK IT'S GONE A LONG WAY, UM, IN ITS DEVELOPMENT, UH, TOWARDS BEING SOMETHING THAT I CAN SUPPORT. SO I SECOND THE MOTION THAT WAS CLOSED EARLIER. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. [01:30:02] COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. CHAIRMAN FETZER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US [20-3423 Address/Description: 202 THORAIN BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2020-209 Historic District Name: Olmos Park Terrace Applicant: Christina Palafox/KERSEY DIANA C Request: Front yard fencing City Council Dist.: 1] TO ITEM 9 2 0 2 3. STEPHANIE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER NINE, PAGE IN CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 2 0 9. ADDRESS 2 2 3. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL FRONT AIR FENCING. THE FENCE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED A CEDAR POST AND IZED SEAL DOUBLE LOOP WIRE, AND WILL MEASURE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D. IF THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FINDS THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCING APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION APPLY THE FENCING BE NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF AN APPROVED FENCE MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS APPROVED BY THE H G C AT ANY PORTION OF THE EVENTS. AND ADDITIONALLY, ALL OFFENSES MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE OR PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U G C SECTION 35 DASH FIVE FOUR AND MAY HAVE THE APPLICANT CHRISTINA, ON THE LINE. CHRISTINA, IF YOU'RE MUTED, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? TURN OFF THE LIVESTREAM. SHE'S WATCHING. YEAH, SO WE MUTED STEPH, WHILE THEY FIGURED THAT OUT. I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS WATCHING THE LIVE STREAM, SO WE'RE HEARING WE'LL PLAY BACK. OKAY. CAN YOU UNMUTE TO STEP AGAIN AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY FIX IT. UM, I MUTE MY COMPUTER. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YOU'RE HEARING GOOD NOW. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANNA SHARE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, YOUR REASON FOR YOUR APPLICATION AND, AND WHY YOU'RE SPEAKING YOUR ALRIGHT. WELL I'VE LIVED HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS PRIOR TO, UH, H D R C AND, UM, I, WELL, I REALLY AM NOT A FOR A FRONT YARD FENCE BECAUSE VISUALLY AND PHILOSOPHICALLY, I, I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S SORT OF A NEGATIVE THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO I'M SORT OF ON THE FENCE, NO PUN INTENDED ON THIS MATTER. UM, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE, I'VE HAD, UM, A PACK OF DOGS COME THROUGH MY PROPERTY KILLING TWO OF MY CAT. THE LAST ONE WAS ON APRIL 28TH DURING A STORM, WHICH I WITNESSED. AND, UM, IT WAS VERY FRIGHTENING TO ME. I I AM ELDERLY AND I, I LIVE ON A CORNER THAT'S HIGHLY TRAFFIC FROM WILD DOG TO COME. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE COMING FROM KENWOOD OR COMING FROM THE GOLF COURSE AT, UM, ROAD. THERE'S A PACK OF DOGS THAT LIVE THERE, HAVE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS. AND, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN TERRORIZING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SHE, CHERYL, IS IT CHERYL HILTON? SHE, SHE, SHERWOOD HILLS, THE ONE THAT'S OVER ACROSS BASSY ROAD, UH, ALMOST PARKED TERRACE AREA AND AL PARK FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW. UH, SPECIFICALLY TARGETING CATS. UM, AND, UM, I AM ON A HIGHLY TRAFFICKED AREA, UH, HOWARD AND FULL LANE. UM, BASICALLY HOWARD STREET IS, UH, TRAVERSING FROM KENWOOD DIRECTLY TO CONTOUR TO ALMONDS PARK BASIN. AND I THINK THOSE WILD DOGS ARE COMING UP FROM ALMOND PARK BASIN, IF NOT FROM KENWOOD, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY DO. UM, IF YOU GO IN NEXT DOOR, YOU'LL SEE NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS MESSAGES ABOUT DOGS TRAVERSING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND KILLING CATS RANDOMLY. AND SO, UM, FOR THAT REASON I'M SORT OF TERRIFIED. AND ALSO I DREW A LOT OF GARDENING AND I'M OUT IN, IN MY YARD QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND THEN ON TWO OCCASIONS I'VE HAD NUMBER ONE, A MAN COME UP TO ME FROM THE STREET WHO WAS MENACING. AND ANOTHER ONE WAS, UM, A DOG WHO PASSED ON ME WHEN I WAS GARDENING AND FORTUNATELY WAS A FRIENDLY DOG, BUT ALMOST LET ME DOWN. SO I WAS, FOR SAFETY REASONS, UM, WANTING TO PUT, UH, A FENCE UP THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF MY HOUSE. I HAVE SOME OLD, UM, DOUBLE LOOP FARMHOUSE STUFF, ANDING THAT I HAVE A REMNANTS OF FROM THE LAST PROPERTY THAT IS IN THE BACKYARD THAT'S VERY, UM, APPROPRIATE TO THE TIME OF MY HOUSE. UH, AND SECONDLY, I WAS GONNA PUT IT BACK 10 FEET FROM THE STREET SO THAT NO ONE WOULD [01:35:01] REALLY SEE IT. UM, BUT I'M, UH, AMENABLE TO WHATEVER THE COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THIS. UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT IF I DO THIS, IT WILL SET A PRECEDENT AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE ON MY BLOCK WILL ALSO BE WANTING FENCING. AND WHILE I'M NOT AVERSE TO PEOPLE PUTTING UP FENCING FOR PROTECTION OF DOGS, I DON'T LIKE THE CHAIN FENCING, I DON'T LIKE THE MODERN FENCING. I THINK IT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE AESTHETICS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M, I'M AMENABLE TO WHATEVER THE COMMISSIONERS SAY ABOUT THIS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I, I MEAN THE MAIN REASON, THE MAIN REASON STAFF IS SUPPORTING THIS IS THAT, UH, ALMOST PARK TERRA DOES NOT HAVE FRONT YARD FENCES AND AN INTRODUCTION OF FENCE. NO, IT IS A CREATE CREATES A KIND OF A FOLLOW ON EFFECT. AND IN AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE FENCES, I THINK, UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY HESITANT TO CONSIDER APPROVING IT. UH, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS, UH, RUNNING THROUGH IT TO AND LOST A CAT TO A DOG. SO I CAN DEFINITELY APPRECIATE, UH, THAT FEELING AND, UH, THE DESIRE TO TRY TO REMEDY IT. I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT A FRONT YARD FENCE IN THIS INSTANCE IS, UH, THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO REMEDY THAT PROBLEM. MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER AVENUES THAT THAT CAN BE FOLLOWED UP TO, TO HELP. UH, GENERALLY I, I, I AGREE WITH STAFF HERE AND, UH, IF THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T APPROVE YOUR REQUEST TODAY, YOU CAN ALWAYS CONSIDER GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS LOOKS AT PARTICULARLY KIND OF MAYBE UNIQUE OR STRANGE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY, UH, MAY CHALLENGE SOME OF THE, THE GUIDELINES IN SOME INSTANCES. UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THIS. AS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I, I, THE OFFENSES OCCUR, UH, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY DESIGNED INTO A SITUATION. THEY HAPPEN, AND WHEN THEY HAPPEN, TYPICALLY THEY'RE THE RESULT OF SOMETHING. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT, THAT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF SOMETHING IS TO PREVENT A HOMEOWNER FROM, UH, DOING EVERYTHING THAT THAT, THAT THEY CAN TO PEACEFULLY ENJOY THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY. SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, I Y YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY UNDERSTANDING THE JURISDICTION, THE EXTENTS OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE H D R C WITH RESPECT TO, UH, WHAT CONSTITUTES YOUR RIGHTS. I, I, I SEE THE H DRCS ROLE IN, SINCE THERE'S NOT A FENCE THERE IN ASSISTING IN THE, UH, IN DEFINITION OF WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT. UM, I THINK THERE'S A RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. UH, I SEE THE SKETCHES, I LIKE THE SKETCHES OR THE IMAGES, UH, BUT I I I, I WOULD ASK, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF, IF, IF WE MIGHT NOT SET OURSELVES IN A PROACTIVE ROLE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO APPROPRIATENESS AND, UM, I MEAN, I I WOULD SAY MUCH LIKE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE VERY COMPLICATED FENCE ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN INTO IN THE DIG, UH, DINO WHITTY HILLS AREA, WHERE THERE'S A NEW BUILDING, IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT'S THE SIDE OF THE OTHER HOUSE. VERY COMPLICATED SITUATIONS THAT ASK US TO DEFINE WHAT, WHAT BECOMES APPROPRIATE. THIS WAS SUCH AN OPEN ENVIRONMENT. WE LOOK AT THE WAY THAT IT SITS IN THE CORNER, UH, VERY REMINISCENT OF A HOUSE IN PLEASANTON, TEXAS, OR MOVING UP TO THE SOUTH SIDE DEEPLY INTO THE COUNTRY WHERE THE FENCE IS NOT NECESSARILY A, A SPEAKING, UH, ATTRIBUTE. IT IT WHERE IT MELTS INTO THE, THE MESQUITE TREES AND, AND BECOMES THE RESULT OF YOUR HORSES NOT LEAVING OR WHAT THAT, THAT, THAT THERE IS A, THERE IS A WAY FOR A PERSON TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAYBE ISN'T AS PERMANENT IN ITS, IN ITS, UH, MANIFESTATION. UM, AND I WOULD BE, UH, UM, UH, MORE PROACTIVE OR, OR, OR, I, I IT'S, SO THAT'S COULD BE TAKEN NEGATIVELY. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE, [01:40:01] THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WITH A, WITH A, WITH A FENCE THAT SPEAKS TO THOSE PAST PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN SOLVED BY FOLLOWING SOME OF THE DELICATE RULES OF NOT IN FRONT OF A PARTICULAR LINE, UH, UH, HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE STREET, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I ALSO AM INTERESTED IN WHAT FEDERAL COMMISSIONERS ALSO HAVE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. UM, I, I WOULD HAVE TO, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER WAS SPEAKING TO THERE, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, FROM MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THIS IS ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENT MORE THAN IT IS ANYTHING ELSE. AND SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, BEING THAT THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AS, UH, AS A, UH, TRYING TO RESET A PRECEDENT IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. MR. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I FEEL I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT AND ABOUT LOSING A PET, AND NO ONE WANTS TO LOSE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S TRAUMATIC ENOUGH AS IT IS, AND I AGREE THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS OR WHATEVER WE HAD TO CONSIDER. BUT I AM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DEFENSE, UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, UM, DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR THAT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ONE RIGHT NOW IN THE AREA. SO I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS. COMMISSIONER. WE DO HAVE COMMENTS, UM, I DON'T WANT TO FORGET ON THIS TIME. UM, THIS FIRST COMES FROM NORMA MARTINEZ ROGERS AT 1 0 5 . UM, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A FENCE PLACED IN THE FRONT YARD. THIS DOES NOT GO WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM BETTY ECKERT, 2 33 WEST WILDWOOD, ALMOST PART TERRA STATE ASSOCIATION. CONCURS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESENTATION WITH DENIAL OFFENSE, THE FRONT AT 2 0 2. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I'M JUST GONNA ECHO WHAT SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALWAYS SAID. I THINK, UM, THE, THE MATERIAL CHOICE AND THE IMAGES THAT ARE BEING SHOWN HERE ARE VERY, UH, ENTICING, UH, WITH THE IDEA OF THE CEDAR, UH, POSE AND THE, THE BRAIDED WIRE FENCING THAT'S, UH, TERRIFIC. IT'S HARD TO FIND THAT BRAID, BRAIDED WIRE FENCING. UH, NOWADAYS I'VE, I'VE SEARCHED FOR SEVERAL PROJECTS FOR THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK, UH, THE MATERIAL CHOICE AND IMAGES ARE FINE, BUT WHAT IS CONCERNING IS THE FACT THAT THE OVERWHELMING PREVALENT PATTERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THERE ARE NO FRONT, FRONT YARD FENCES. AND I'M NOT SURE A FRONT YARD FENCE IS GOING TO PROTECT A CAB IN THIS SITUATION. CATS TEND ROAD AS THEY WISH, AND, UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA GET THE DESIRED, UH, RESULT FOR THAT STANDPOINT. UH, SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I, I ECHO THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT BEEN MADE ABOUT NOT SUPPORTING THIS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I WOULD MOVE FOR DENIAL. COMMISSIONER , MRS. CHAIRMAN FETZER, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. CHAIRMAN FETZER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LFO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OR CAN YOU PLEASE VOTE THE CASE LIST? UM, SO WE'VE GOT [20-3410 Address/Description: 515 N PALMETTO HDRC Case No.: 2020-197 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Ricardo Mccullough Request: Construction of six, 2- story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2] ITEM NUMBER 5 5 1 5 NORTH PALMETTO. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED TO STAFF THAT THEY INTEND TO WITHDRAW. WE HAVE NOT FORMALLY RECEIVED THAT IN WRITING. UM, SO WE DO NEED ACTION. UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND JUST AN ACTION TO POSTPONE. UM, AND THEN ONCE WE RECEIVED THAT CONFIRMATION IN WRITING, WE JUST WITHDRAW THE CASE TO WHAT . THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UH, CHAIRMAN BETS I MOVE FOR THIS CASE TO THE, UH, TABLE. SO FUTURE HEARING COMMISSIONER EZ. I SECOND I SIR, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR, UH, POSTPONEMENT OF CASE NUMBER FIVE 20 DASH 3 4 0. UM, [01:45:01] MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERANDEZ. AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. SHAMAN FETZER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. UM, AND THAT WOULD ALSO [20-3420 Address/Description: 1804 S ST MARYS ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-183 Landmark Name: Commercial Building RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: David Quinn/Shade TX Sombrilla Request: Awning installation City Council Dist.: 1] BRING US TO ITEM 4 0 3 PREVIOUSLY SKIPPED, 1804 SOUTH ST. MARY'S. UM, STEPHANIE, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOU SO YOU CAN READ THAT. UM, WE HAVE JUST NOT HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AND SO, UM, WE DO NEED ACTION ON THE ITEM, BUT WE WANT TO READ THE RECOMMENDATION. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, HT R C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 180 3 ADDRESS, 1804 SOUTH ST. MARY'S. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL ONE FIRE RETARDANT FABRIC ON APPROXIMATELY 27 FEET BY THREE FEET WITH A THREE FOOT PROJECTION AT THE COMMERCIAL BLOCK AT ADDRESS 1804 SOUTH ST. MARY'S THAT DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE FABRIC HONORING AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING. B STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD INSTALL A METAL CANOPY WITH TIES THAT CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE PREVIOUS CANOPY AS EVIDENCE IN GOOGLE STREET VIEW PHOTOS FROM A RECENT AS 2011 AND I WAS NOT ABLE TO REACH THE APPLICANT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, COULD, WOULD, WOULD THE METAL AWNING AS A, AS PROPOSED BY STAFF BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL? IF IT WERE REQUESTED? YES. IF IT WERE REQUESTED, YES. SO DENIAL HERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UH, CHANGE THE OUTCOME AND THE METAL AWNING WAS THERE UNTIL VERY RECENTLY AND I AGREE WITH STAFF THAT IT SHOULD BE PUT BACK AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON THIS TODAY. UH, BECAUSE WHAT WAS THE REASON? UM, WE JUST, WE, THE REASON THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND REQUESTED THE CONTINUANCE FOR THE PREVIOUS ITEM IS 'CAUSE WE HAD HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT THAT'S WHAT THEY INTENDED TO DO. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AT ALL FOR THIS ONE. SO JUST TREAT IT LIKE HE NORMALLY WOULD. OKAY. WELL I MOVE FOR DENIAL. COMMISSIONER DO YOU A SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FESTER. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR DENIAL AND ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. CHAIRMAN, FETZER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LIFO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE CASES TODAY. [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for May 20, 2020.] UM, WE DO HAVE MINUTES FROM MAY 20TH. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM MAY 20TH, 2020. COMMISSIONER GIVES I SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION IS SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF MAY 20 MEETING MINUTES. DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR CAN WE DO A ALL ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? IS THIS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ MOTION TO, UH, ADJOURN? TODAY'S MEETING MAY 29TH. 20 20 20. COMMISSIONER GIBBS I'LL SECOND CHAIRMAN FETZER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.