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          THE TIME IS 2:02 PM ON THIS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 10TH, 2020. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE CITY COUNCIL B SESSION TO ORDER. 
          I'LL ASK OUR CITY CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER TINO HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ROCIA GARCIA. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VEO HAKA CHAIR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PAL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CURRY HERE. 
          LOUD, CLEAR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY HERE. 
          AND MAYOR BERG HERE. 
          MAYOR, WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          TODAY IS 
          [1. 20-3587 Briefing on the results of the Ad Valorem Tax Valuation Analysis. [Ben Gorzell, Chief Financial Officer; Troy Elliott, Deputy Chief Financial Officer]]
A, UH, PUBLIC SESSION. 
          IT'S OUR B SESSION ON POLICE, UH, AND POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS AND CONTRACT AND, AND OTHER ITEMS RELATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER TO GET US STARTED, I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS A VERY ANTICIPATED MEETING, AND I KNOW THERE'S GONNA LIKELY BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE ARE GONNA GO, UH, DISTRICT ONE THROUGH 10, AS WE NORMALLY HAVE FOR, UH, FOR THE B SESSIONS. 
          EVERYONE WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES, UH, FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTION. 
          IF THERE IS A NEED, ANYONE NEEDS A, HAS A NEED FOR A SECOND, UH, ROUND, AFTER THOSE 10 MINUTES ARE OVER, FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW. 
          AND WE'LL PUT YOU BACK IN THE QUEUE FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES. 
          BUT THE FIRST ROUND WILL BE 10 MINUTES. 
          UM, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, UH, RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER, ERIC WALSH. 
          ALL RIGHT, ERIC, I, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          ERIC, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE MUTED, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET. 
          ONE MOMENT, AND WE'LL GET OURSELVES STARTED HERE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, ERIC'S DIALING IN TO HAVE A CLEAR AUDIO CHANNEL. 
          UH, SO AS SOON AS WE GET HIM ON, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM. 
          ERIC, ARE YOU ON? YES, SIR. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? THE FLOOR IS YOURS, ERIC. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          COUNCIL, GOOD AFTERNOON, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S, UH, FLEXIBILITY. 
          I, I DID ADJUST, UH, OUR NORMAL B SESSION LAST, LATE LAST WEEK TO INCLUDE TODAY'S PRESENTATION. 
          UM, THAT'LL BE PRESENTED BY A COMBINATION OF, UH, UH, LIZ PROVENCIO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND CHIEF MCMANUS. 
          AND, AND I'VE GOT A SLIDE, UH, THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT. 
          WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, KINDA LAY THE FOUNDATION. 
          THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING NOT ONLY IN, IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY REGARDING A NUMBER OF THE TOPICS WE'LL PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. 
          UM, AND WE WANTED TO LAY THE FOUNDATION, UH, FOR THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS THAT I SUSPECT THE COUNCIL WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UM, I, I WANTED TO, WE'LL DO THIS THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE POINT, BUT POINT OUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST AND SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE SET THE TABLE GOING FORWARD. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO LIZ. 
          SHE'LL KICK US OFF. 
          UH, SO LIZ, GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND WHAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH TODAY IS THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT FRAMES OUR INVESTIGATIONS AND THE DISCIPLINE, UM, RELATED TO POLICE CONDUCT. 
          SO, JOHN, IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND, AND GET TO OUR, UM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK, IT'S, WE HAVE PARAMETERS THAT WE WORK WITHIN, UM, THAT FRAME OUR EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP, OUR EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS. 
          WE HAVE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 1 43, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY PUBLIC SAFETY, CIVIL SERVICE. 
          WE HAVE CHAPTER 1 74, WHICH IS OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING STATUTE THAT WE WORK UNDER. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR BARGAINING AGREEMENT OR OUR LABOR AGREEMENT, THAT IS THE WORK OF THE NEGOTIATIONS 
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BETWEEN US AND OUR RESPECTIVE PUBLIC SAFETY UNIONS. 
          AND FOR PURPOSES OF, OF GETTING INTO WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS LOOK LIKE BY EACH OF THESE, WE'LL GO NEXT TO OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 1 43, WHICH IS CIVIL SERVICE. 
          AND THIS WAS ADOPTED BY SAN ANTONIO VOTERS IN 1947. 
          SO CITY OF SAN ANTONIO VOTERS VOTED TO ADOPT STATE LAW, CIVIL SERVICE FOR ITS PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS. 
          AND SO WHAT CIVIL SERVICE DOES, IT PROVIDES, UM, THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE WORK WITHIN FOR HIRING PROMOTIONS, THE EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP GENERALLY, AND DISCIPLINE AND TERMINATION. 
          AND BECAUSE THIS IS A STATE LAW THAT WE ADOPTED OUR, UH, VOTERS ELECTED TO BE GOVERNED BY IN 1947, THIS IS ALSO A STATUTE THAT VOTERS COULD CHOOSE TO REPEAL FOR PURPOSES OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD APPLY, UM, IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT TEXAS THAT DO NOT OPERATE UNDER CHAPTER 1 43, BECAUSE THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO ADOPT IT. 
          SO THE NEXT FRAMEWORK THAT WE, UH, WORK UNDER IS OUR, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 1 74. 
          THAT'S ON OUR NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THAT IS THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING STATUTE, WHICH WE ADOPTED IN 1974. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS WAS A CHOICE BY PETITION AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT VOTE, UM, BY CITY OF SAN ANTONIO VOTERS TO, UM, ADOPT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING FOR BOTH OUR FIRE AND POLICE UNIONS. 
          AND SIMILARLY, THIS COULD ALSO BE REPEALED BY THE VOTERS IN THE SAME MANNER THAT IT, IT WAS ADOPTED. 
          SO THERE'S STATUTORY PROVISIONS FOR THAT. 
          AS A RESULT OF OUR ADOPTION IN 1974, WE HAVE BEEN BARGAINING WITH BOTH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY UNIONS, UM, SINCE 1974. 
          AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WILL GET SPECIFICALLY INTO OUR C B A, OUR LABOR AGREEMENT WITH SS A P O A. 
          SO WE HAVE A CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH THE POLICE OFFICER'S UNION, SS A P O A, THAT IS IN EFFECT THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30 OF 20, UH, 21. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IN OUR C B A, UM, AS A RESULT OF, OF CHAPTER 1 74, IS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SUPERSEDE OR SUPPLANT CHAPTER 1 43. 
          SO IT PROVIDES US THE MECHANISM BY WHICH, THROUGH AGREEMENT WITH OUR LABOR UNION, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE OTHER WAYS THAT WE DO PROMOTIONS OR DISCIPLINE, UM, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT TYPICALLY WE WOULD BE GOVERNED BY UNDER CIVIL SERVICE, WE HAVE, UH, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING STATUTE THAT APPLIES TO OUR PROCESSES, UM, IN THE C B A. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO COME TO IMPASSE, UH, WITH SS A P O A IN NEGOTIATIONS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO MEDIATION. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN IMPRESSED PROCESS THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE C B A THAT PROVIDES FOR SOME FACT FINDING, UM, THROUGH AN ARBITRATION PROCESS, AND ULTIMATELY COULD SEND SOME ISSUES TO THE VOTERS IF FACT FINDING DOESN'T ADDRESS THOSE, UH, POINTS FOR US THAT, UM, HAVE LED TO THE IMPASSE. 
          SO IT IS NOT A PROCESS THAT WE'VE EVER PROCEEDED THROUGH, BUT THAT EFFECTIVELY IS THE IMPASSE PROCESS UNDER OUR CONTRACT WITH S A P O A. 
          SO GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU, LIZ. 
          UM, SO, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO REMIND THE COUNCIL OF, UM, AND, AND THERE ARE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MAYOR BERG, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ, AND COUNCILWOMAN  WILL RECALL A LOT OF THE ISSUES PROBABLY ON THIS SLIDE, WHICH WERE PRIORITIES IN THE LAST COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, UH, NEGOTIATIONS. 
          AND, UH, THE CHIEF IS GONNA TALK ABOUT SEVERAL OF THESE LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT I WANTED TO, TO POINT OUT AND JUST HIGH LEVEL FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES WERE AND, AND, AND WHAT, WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT. 
          UM, THAT THERE WAS A, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT, UH, THAT, UH, PRECLUDES THE CHIEF FROM BEING ABLE TO RELY UPON PRIOR OFFICER MISCONDUCT WHEN HE, UH, DISCIPLINES OFFICERS. 
          AND, UM, THAT IS A, IT'S A PROVISION WITHIN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT HAD BEEN A PRIORITY OF THE CITY, UH, LAST TIME, UH, TO, TO CHANGE, UH, ELIMINATE THE 180 
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DAY LIMITATION. 
          THE COUNCIL WILL RECALL THIS BECAUSE WE MOST RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT IT AS IT RELATED TO OUR FIRE ARBITRATION, OUR FIRE CONTRACT. 
          AND IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE, UM, WHAT THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT BEING ABLE TO, UH, DISCIPLINE, UM, OFFICERS, IN THIS CASE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR OCCURRENCES THAT HAPPENED, UH, LONGER THAN 180 DAYS AGO. 
          AND, UH, THE ARBITRATOR IN THE FIRE, UH, NEGOTIATIONS, JUDGE SPECIA, UM, UH, BASED ON THE CITY'S REQUEST, UH, CHANGED THE FIRE CONTRACT TO EXTEND THAT TO TWO YEARS. 
          AND, UM, UH, THIS HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, AND I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A PRIORITY AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          NUMBER THREE IS REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT TO REDUCE, UH, AGREED SHORT SUSPENSIONS TO REPRIMANDS CURRENTLY IN THE CONTRACT, UH, SUSPENSIONS OF THREE DAYS OR LESS ARE AUTOMATICALLY REDUCED TO WRITTEN REPRIMANDS AFTER TWO YEARS. 
          SO, UH, AN OFFICER'S DISCIPLINARY RECORD WILL CHANGE AUTOMATICALLY, UH, OVER TIME. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE THAT IT, IT, IT SHOULD REMAIN ON THE, ON THE RECORD TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE EMPLOYEE'S, UH, HISTORY. 
          UM, UH, AT, WITH THE CITY NUMBER FOUR, UH, THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROCEDURES AND THE INVESTIGATION OF DISCIPLINE CASES. 
          AND THE CHIEF WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IN HIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO AMEND THAT PROCESS THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, UM, TO, TO, UM, LIMIT THE INFORMATION THAT AN OFFICER HAS ACCESS TO PRIOR TO HAVING TO RESPOND TO A COMPLAINANT. 
          RIGHT NOW, THE CONTRACT, UH, ALLOWS, UH, THE OFFICERS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, EITHER ATTORNEY OR THE UNION TO REVIEW ALL MATERIAL, UH, PRIOR TO, UM, UH, QUEST, UH, BEING PRIOR TO PROVIDING ANSWERS TO DURING THE INVESTIGATION. 
          UM, NUMBER FIVE OF THE ELIMINATION OF, UH, OFFICER'S FORFEITURE OF LEAVE TIME TO SATISFY SUSPENSION. 
          RIGHT NOW, AN OFFICER HAS THE ABILITY UNDER THE CONTRACT TO FORFEIT ACCUMULATIVE ACCUMULATED LEAVE IN LIEU OF A SUSPENSION. 
          UM, SO FROM A DISCIPLINARY STANDPOINT, UH, UM, FROM A, AND FROM A CORRECTIVE DISCIPLINE STANDPOINT, UM, MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT. 
          UM, NUMBER SIX, UH, UH, OFFICERS CHARGED WITH CRIME RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, PREVIOUSLY WE, WE ATTEMPTED TO REMOVE RESTRICTIVE AND, AND TIMELINE REQUIREMENTS THAT CURRENTLY, UH, LIE ON THE CITY'S SIDE IN ORDER TO, UH, DEAL WITH, UM, ACTS, UH, WITHIN THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SEE KIND OF THE RECURRING THEME AS I'VE GOING DOWN THIS LIST, BUT OVER TIME, UM, AND, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS UNIQUE TO SAN ANTONIO'S CONTRACT, IT'S PROBABLY EXISTS IN A LOT OF CONTRACTS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          THE, UM, THE, THE, THE BALANCE IS NOT VERY BALANCED HERE. 
          UM, THERE ARE PROTECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN EITHER AT THE STATE LAW LEVEL OR WITHIN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS THAT, UH, TIP THE SCALES FROM A DISCIPLINARY STANDPOINT AND ARE CERTAINLY, UH, UNLIKE HOW WE WOULD NORMALLY TREAT, UH, A CITY EMPLOYED THROUGH OUR DISCIPLINARY PROCESS, UM, ANYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          THE LAST ITEM ON THERE IS, UH, THAT WE TRIED TO CHANGE WAS ELIMINATING THE PROVISION THAT THAT LIMITS THE, THE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO DENY BACK PAY TO OFFICERS THAT ARE SUSPENDED. 
          UM, BECAUSE, UH, OF NO, UM, UH, INDICTMENT OR CONVICTION, SOMETIMES EMPLOYEES OR OFFICERS ARE, UM, DISCIPLINED WHILE THERE IS A CASE PENDING AT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          AND, UH, SOME, IF, IF THAT CASE DOES NOT TURN OUT TO BE, UH, UH, INDICTED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, WE WOULD LIKE, UH, A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT TO BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR BACK PAY IN THOSE CASES. 
          SO, AT A HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ABSENT, UM, THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY, UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WERE PRIORITIES FOR US LAST TIME, AND THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE, UH, WOULD BE THE MINIMUM STARTING POINT AS WE, UH, ENTER NEGOTIATIONS NEXT YEAR. 
          AS LIZ MENTIONED, OUR CONTRACT WITH THE POLICE OFFICER ASSOCIATION ENDS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021. 
          UNDER THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO BEGIN BY FEBRUARY OF 2021. 
          AND THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY SOME, SOME RECALIBRATION OF THE DISCIPLINARY SYSTEM THAT, THAT, THAT ARE GONNA BE PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY. 
          MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN TODAY THAT THE, UM, THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS HAPPENS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEIR, UH, POLICE UNION AND THE CITY, UM, UH, 
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PUT NEGOTIATIONS ON HOLD TO REFORMAT THEIR POSITIONS, UH, WITH THE UNIONS. 
          AND, AND I SUSPECT A LOT OF CITIES WILL, AND I, I WOULD, UH, WELCOME, UH, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WILL HAVE AS A GROUP AND INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL AS WE SET THOSE PRIORITIES. 
          'CAUSE I THINK UNDOUBTEDLY, UH, CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE. 
          WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE CHIEF, AND HE WILL TAKE IT UP FROM HERE. 
          THANK YOU, ERIC. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO, UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, I WANNA WALK THROUGH THE, UM, A HIGH LEVEL, UH, OVERVIEW OF THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS, AND WE'LL GET INTO IT MORE LATER ON IN THE CON IN THE, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          SO, AS, AS LIZ MENTIONED, AND ERIC MENTIONED THAT THE C B A IS REGULATED BY, I'M SORRY, THE, THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS IS REGULATED BY CHAPTER 1 43, AND IT STARTS WITH A COMPLAINT FROM ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT CAN ALSO EMANATE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. 
          SO THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT THAT COMPLAINTS CAN BE, UH, UH, FILED AND INVESTIGATED. 
          UH, THEY'RE INVESTIGATED BY THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT, AND, UH, THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS CAN, UH, THEY ALLOW FOR A, UH, ANY RANGE OF SANCTIONS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, THIS IS A FLOW CHART THAT SHOWS, UH, BOTH FORMAL AND LINE COMPLAINTS, UH, PROCESSES. 
          THERE, THERE'S TWO TYPES OF COMPLAINTS, THE FORMAL, WHICH ARE THE MORE SERIOUS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LINE COMPLAINT, WHICH CAN BE HANDLED BY A SUPERVISOR. 
          UH, AND THE, UH, MAXIMUM PENALTY, THERE IS, UH, THREE DAYS THAT THE OFFICER CAN ACCEPT. 
          IF THE OFFICER DOES NOT ACCEPT THAT, THEN THE CA THE CASE IS FORWARDED TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR A FULL-BLOWN INVESTIGATION THAT GOES EVENTUALLY BEFORE THE, UH, COMPLAINT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, WHAT THE C B A, UM, PROVIDES FOR IS AN OFFICER, IF, IF A RESPONDENT OFFICER, UH, THERE'S A COMPLAINT AGAINST HIM OR HER, THEN THAT OFFICER WILL GET A 48 HOUR NOTICE BY EMAIL FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS. 
          AND AFTER THAT 48 HOURS, THEY'LL BE CONTACTED BY, UH, BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS AGAIN AND NOTIFIED TO, TO, UH, MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE INVESTIGATOR. 
          SO WHEN THEY MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT, THEY CAN TAKE THEIR ATTORNEY, THEY CAN TAKE A SUPERVISOR, THEY CAN TAKE A UNION REP, AND AS I THINK IT WAS ERIC THAT MENTIONED IT, UH, BUT ALL EVIDENCE THAT, UH, THAT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT HAS COLLECTED FOR THE COMPLAINT, THE RESPONDENT OFFICER HAS A RIGHT TO VIEW ALL OF THAT EVIDENCE PRIOR TO QUESTIONING. 
          THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          UH, ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETED, IT, UH, IT'S, THE BOARD IS FOR THE ADVISORY OR THE, UH, THE CARD OR THE COMPLAINT AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD IS FINISHED WITH IT, UH, FROM THEIR HEARING, THEN THEY WILL SEND A RECOMMENDATION FROM TO ME FOR CONTEMPLATED DISCIPLINARY ACTION. 
          SO I TAKE THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND I, I PRETTY MUCH, 99% OF THE TIME, I STICK WITH A PENALTY THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD, AND I SEND THAT TO THE RESPONDENT OFFICER. 
          UH, ONCE THE HEARING IS DONE, THAT FOLLOWS THAT, UH, THE, THE RESPONDENT OFFICER HAS A, UH, AN OPTION TO ACCEPT THE DISCIPLINE OR TAKE IT TO AN ARBITRATOR. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AT LEAST A GOOD PART OF THAT IS, IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME, AND IT NEEDS TO CHANGE . 
          YEAH. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT, UH, IS, IS, UH, COMPRISED. 
          YOU SIT ON, ON THE SLIDE THERE, A LIEUTENANT CAPTAIN, 12 SERGEANTS, AND THREE ADMIN FOLKS. 
          UM, THE INVESTIGATOR WILL REVIEW ALL THE EVIDENCE IF, UH, DEEMED HELPFUL, I COULD ORDER A POLYGRAPH TO BE TAKEN, BUT ONLY IF BY THE OFFICER, BUT ONLY IF THE, THE COMPLAINANT TAKES ONE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, COMPLETED INVESTIGATION GOES BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE CARB. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT A A NINE YEAR, UM, UM, LIST OF FORMAL INVESTIGATION AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS BY, UH, BY THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS, UH, CAN BE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT UNDER FULL INVESTIGATION BY THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, A SHOOTING, UH, UNLESS THERE ARE EVIDENCE, UH, IF, IF THERE ARE NO POLICY VIOLATIONS THAT ARE PICKED UP BY 
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THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT, AFTER INVESTIGATING THAT CASE, THEY'LL STILL GO TO THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR, UM, FOR A REVIEW. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          JOHN. 
          THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE NUMBER OF LINE COMPLAINTS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 
          A LINE COMPLAINT COULD BE, UH, RUDENESS OR A LINE COMPLAINT COULD BE, UH, UM, SOMEBODY WHO SHOWS UP LATE REPEATEDLY. 
          UH, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT THEY'RE, THERE'S A LESS SERIOUS VIOLATIONS. 
          AND AS YOU SEE THE, THE UPTICK IN 2015, I ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE, UM, TO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA PROGRAM. 
          ONCE, ONCE WE STARTED WEARING BODY-WORN CAMERA CAMERAS, UH, COMPLAINTS, INFORMAL COMPLAINTS STARTED TICKING UP. 
          UM, THE, UM, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS WAS KIND OF AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP HERE. 
          WHEN WE STARTED WEARING THE BODY CAMS, THE, UH, UH, USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS SEEMED TO GO DOWN. 
          AND WHILE, WHILE, AGAIN, WHILE THE OVERALL LINE COMPLAINTS INCREASED, UM, THIS, THIS IS SHOWING AN OPPOSITE EFFECT, UM, THE DEPLOYMENT AS THEY DEPLOYED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS, AS MORE AND MORE OFFICERS WORE THEM, WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT, WE'VE SEEN THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE USE OF FORCE. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, 18 COMPLAINTS IS A, IS A HISTORIC LOW FOR AS FAR BACK AS, AS WE CAN TELL, UH, YEAR TO DATE, THERE HAVE BEEN EIGHT COMPLAINTS, UH, OF USE OF FORCE THAT WE'VE INVESTIGATED. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, WHEN WE STARTED OFF BACK IN 2006, WE HAD TWO CIVILIANS OR TWO COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON THE COMPLAINT AT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD. 
          WHEN WE CAME TO THE CONTRACT, WHEN WE, UH, NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT IN 2006, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO UP IT TO FOUR CIVILIANS. 
          OUR GOAL WAS TO, TO, TO EQUAL THE NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND SWORN MEMBERS ON THE BOARD. 
          AND IN 2009, WE WERE ABLE TO TIP THAT SCALE AND GET SEVEN COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD. 
          NEXT ONE, PLEASE. 
          THIS, THIS CHART, SLOW. 
          THIS, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE GENDER AND ETHNIC AND RACIAL BREAKDOWN OF THE, OF THE BOARD. 
          AND WE TRY VERY, UM, DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EVEN BALANCE AS WE CAN GET IT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, SO AFTER I RECEIVED THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, I WILL ISSUE A CONTEMPLATED, UH, NOTICE OF DISCIPLINE TO THE RESPONDENT OFFICER. 
          SO, THE CONTEMPLATED DISCIPLINE, UH, NOTICE MUST BE IN WRITING. 
          IT HAS TO BE, AND IT'S SET FORTH. 
          IT SETS FORTH THE ALLEGED, UH, RULE VIOLATION AND THE FACTS SUPPORTING THE VIOLATION. 
          UH, THE C B A LIMITS, HOW FAR BACK, AS ERIC MENTIONED, HOW FAR BACK WE CAN GO TO RELY ON PRIOR MISCONDUCT. 
          UM, THERE'S A, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE TWO YEARS. 
          IT'S 10 YEARS FOR DRUG AND ALCOHOL RELATED ISSUES, FIVE YEARS FOR ACTS OF INTENTIONAL VIOLENCE. 
          AND THEN THE, THE, UH, THE, THE PRIMARY EXCEPTION IS TWO YEARS FOR ALL OTHER PRIOR DISCIPLINE. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR ME. 
          I THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC. 
          NEXT ONE, PLEASE. 
          SO THE APPEALS PROCESS, OH, I'M SORRY, LIZ, I THINK THIS IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          YES. 
          SO ONCE THERE IS DISCIPLINE THAT'S ISSUED, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO APPEAL THE DISCIPLINE. 
          AND THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THAT AN OFFICER HAS IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH AN APPEAL. 
          THIS IS A FUNCTION OF 1 43, UM, CIVIL SERVICE. 
          AN OFFICER CAN CHOOSE TO GO BEFORE THE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, OR THEY CAN GO BEFORE AN ARBITRATOR. 
          IT IS VERY RARE THAT WE EVER HAVE AN APPEAL TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. 
          ALMOST ALWAYS, THE OFFICER WILL ELECT IF THEY DO ELECT TO APPEAL, THAT THEY WILL PROCEED BEFORE, UM, AN ARBITRATOR THROUGH THE ARBITRATION PROCESS. 
          AND AGAIN, SO THAT OPTION IS CREATED BY CIVIL SERVICE. 
          AND THEN THE C B A THEN DETERMINES HOW THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO PROCEED. 
          AND SO OUR PROCESS IS, UM, THAT WE GO BEFORE AN ARBITRATOR THAT IS A TRIPLE A ARBITRATOR FROM THAT ASSOCIATION, THERE IS, UM, A LIST OF ARBITRATORS THAT WE WILL GET ONCE A PARTICULAR, UH, DISCIPLINE IS UP FOR APPEAL. 
          AND BY ALTERNATE STRIKES WE GO THROUGH TO DETERMINE, UM, WHO WILL BE THE FINAL NAME THAT'S LEFT ON THAT LIST AND WILL ULTIMATELY SERVE AS THE ARBITRATOR 
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IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE. 
          THE C B A ALLOWS FOR SOME DISCOVERY. 
          SO WE CAN EXCHANGE INFORMATION, UM, DURING THE, THE ARBITRATION PROCESS, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY THE FILE THAT, THAT THE CHIEF HAS RELIED UPON TO DETERMINE THE DISCIPLINE. 
          THE CITY BEARS THE BURDEN OF PROOF. 
          AND SO WE'VE GOT, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE BY PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FACTS AS, UM, SUSTAINED FOR THE, UH, DISCIPLINE, BUT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME DIFFICULTY WITH THE, HOW AN ARBITRATOR REVIEWS THE FILE. 
          SO A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THE ARBITRATORS WILL DO IS EFFECTIVELY DO A DE NOVO REVIEW. 
          SO THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN THE, THE POSITION OF A, OF THE DECISION MAKER AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS DISCIPLINE IS WARRANTED, AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT WHETHER THE DECISION MAKER IN THIS INSTANCE, AND THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHIEF, UM, IF, AND AFFORDING THAT DISCRETION TO THE CHIEF, UM, FOR MORE OF AN ABUSE OF, OF DISCRETION TYPE OF REVIEW. 
          AND SO WHAT WE SEE IN ARBITRATION, UM, OFTENTIMES IS THAT OFFICERS WILL COME IN AND USE COMPARATORS. 
          SO THEY WILL SAY, THIS TYPE OF DISCIPLINE WAS ISSUED TO ANOTHER OFFICER, AND IT WAS A LESSER DISCIPLINE. 
          AND AS A RESULT, THE CHIEF'S, UM, IMPOSITION OF DISCIPLINE ON ME IS TO SEVERE. 
          AND SO THIS IS WHERE, WHERE ERIC AND CHIEF WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT LOOKBACK PERIOD WHERE WE HAVE CONSTRAINTS ON WHAT THE CHIEF CAN RELY ON FOR PURPOSES OF OFFICER MISCONDUCT. 
          UM, WHETHER IT BE THE TWO YEARS, THE FIVE YEARS, OR THE 10 YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE CONDUCT AT ISSUE IS BECAUSE THERE MAY VERY WELL BE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE PAST, BUT WE CANNOT INTRODUCE THOSE, UM, AS EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THE ARBITRATOR. 
          IF WE TRY TO, THEN, UM, WE GET, UH, THE, THE ARBITRATOR WILL DISMISS IT AND NOT CONSIDER IT. 
          AND, AND SO WE GET INTO, UM, WE GET INTO DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT WHAT IS A COMPARATOR, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, UM, OFFICER IS INTRODUCING, UM, EVIDENCE THAT SH THAT IS NOT COMPARATIVE, UM, AND NOT THE APPROPRIATE COMPARISON TO TRY AND LESSEN THE DISCIPLINE, UM, THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR THEM. 
          AND SO THE C B A ALLOWS THE ARBITRATOR TO IMPOSE DISCIPLINE FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          UM, IT CAN'T BE MORE SEVERE THAN WHAT THE CHIEF HAS IMPOSED. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DETERMINE OBVIOUSLY A LESSER AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          AND WHEN WE GET A REVERSAL OF CHIEF'S DISCIPLINE OR A REDUCTION OF CHIEF'S DISCIPLINE, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED BASIS UPON WHICH, UM, WE CAN APPEAL TO A DISTRICT COURT. 
          IT'S ONLY IN INSTANCES WHERE AN ARBITRATOR HAS, HAS TRULY EXCEEDED ITS JURISDICTION, UM, EXCEEDED THE QUESTION BEFORE HIM OR HER, UM, THAT WE WERE IN A POSITION TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT BEFORE DISTRICT COURT. 
          THAT DECISION SHOULD BE APPEALED. 
          THANK YOU, LIZ. 
          SO WHEN WE'VE, WHEN WE GET AN OFFICER BACK BECAUSE OF AN ARBITRATOR'S RULING, UM, THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER TO EGREGIOUS TO PUT THEM BACK ON THE STREET. 
          SO WE WILL FIND POSITIONS WITHIN THE, UH, DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC, AND SOMETIMES THEY, THOSE FOLKS MAY EVENTUALLY GO BACK ON THE STREET, UM, BASED ON, UH, UH, A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT I MAY CONSIDER INCLUDING COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE ISSUE WITH, WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, OR A SPECIFIC AGENCY THAT THAT IS PRIMARILY AFFECTED BY THAT OFFICER'S ACTIONS. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE, UH, THE, UH, PROCEDURE IF WE GET SOMEBODY BACK THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T WANT BACK ON THE STREET, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, MISCONDUCT THAT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN. 
          NEXT SLIDE, JOHN. 
          SO I'M GOING TO, UH, EXPOUND ON, ON THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES, UH, A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN I WILL, I WILL BRING UP A CONCLUDING REMARK, CONCLUDING REMARK ABOUT THESE SLIDE, THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES, UH, ON THE VERY LAST SLIDE WHEN I FINISH UP. 
          SO THESE, THESE HAVE TO DO WITH THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT, UH, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM THE, UH, UH, VISION ZERO, UH, ORGANIZATION. 
          AND I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, 
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MATRIX ON THE, ON THE, UH, SCREEN THERE. 
          UH, I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE BAN CHOKE HOLDS AND STRANGLE HOLDS. 
          S A P IS IS THE ONLY CITY IN TEXAS TO HAVE BANNED CHOKE HOLDS AND STRANGLE HOLDS. 
          AND WE DID THAT BACK IN 2014. 
          SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE, UH, UH, PERCEIVE TO BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          UH, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION WHEN A CHOKE HOLDER OR A STRANGLEHOLD WOULD BE ALLOWED, AND THAT IS ONLY IN A SITUATION WHERE DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, JOE HOLDS AND STRANGLE HOLDS ARE OFF LIMITS. 
          UM, THE, UM, THE ORGANIZATION THAT ENDORSES A CAN'T WAIT, THEY REQUIRE VERY, VERY PRECISE LANGUAGE IN ORDER FOR US TO, FOR ANY DEPARTMENT TO MEET THE CRITERIA WHERE THEY WILL ALLOW OR ACCEPT, UM, US AS QUALIFYING FOR, UH, ONE OF THOSE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT. 
          POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, THERE ARE TWO, TWO, UH, TWO POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY THAT, UM, UM, TWO POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY THAT MET ALL EIGHT AND ALL EIGHT. 
          UH, AND THEY WERE, I BELIEVE, SAN FRANCISCO AND SEATTLE. 
          WAS IT TUCSON? I'M SORRY. 
          TUCSON AND SEATTLE. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE, UH, WE, WE MEET IN SUBSTANCE, THE, UM, POLICY REQUIREMENTS OF VISION ZERO. 
          I'M SORRY, I KEEP CALLING IT VISION ZERO. 
          IT'S CAMPAIGN ZERO. 
          SO WE MEET IN SUBSTANCE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF CAMPAIGN ZERO WHEN IT COMES TO THESE POLICIES. 
          I'M, I'M GONNA GO OVER THE FOUR THAT WE, THAT WE DON'T GET CREDIT FOR. 
          SO ONE IS EXHAUST ALL, ALL EXHAUST, ALL ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SHOOTING. 
          SO OUR POLICY STATES THAT DEADLY FORCE IS, IS AUTHORIZED ONLY TO PROTECT AN OFFICER OR ANOTHER PERSON FROM WHAT IS REASONABLY BELIEVED TO BE AN IMMEDIATE THREAT OF DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY. 
          WE USE THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM. 
          WE REQUIRE OFFICERS TO CONTINUE OR TO, TO CONSIDER THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM, WHICH RUNS YOU THROUGH A RANGE OF ESCALATING OPTIONS, BEGINNING WITH MERELY AN OFFICER'S PRESENCE. 
          SO, SO IN SUBSTANCE, WE MEET THAT REQUIREMENT OF EXHAUSTING ALL ALTERNATIVES, ALL ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SHOOTING. 
          NEXT SLIDE, JOHN. 
          SO, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS REQUIRE ALL USE OF FORCE TO BE REPORTED. 
          WE, WE REPORT ALL USE OF FORCE, ALL USE OF FORCE. 
          SO, UM, ALL USE OF FORCE IS REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED ON A USE OF FORCE REPORT, WHICH RUNS UP A A IN THE SOFTWARE PROGRAM THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND EVENTUALLY WINDS UP OVER IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS. 
          EVERY, EVERY LEVEL OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND REVIEWS THAT USE OF FORCE FOR, FOR POLICY VIOLATIONS. 
          UH, IF THERE ARE NONE, IT, IT EVENTUALLY ENDS UP IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, FOR, UH, ENTRY INTO A DATABASE. 
          IF, UM, IF THERE IS A PILOT POLICY VIOLATION, IT'S NOTED ON THE, ON THE BLUE, UH, IT'S CALLED BLUE TEAM, THE POLICY, THE, UH, SOFTWARE PROGRAM. 
          SO IT'S NOTED IN BLUE TEAM THAT, THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, IT RUNS THROUGH EVERY MEMBER OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND UNTIL IT HITS INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WHERE IT'S THEN INVESTIGATED. 
          UM, THE, THERE, THERE'S A, A, WHENEVER WE USE, WHENEVER WE PUT HANDS ON SOMEONE AND THERE'S NO INJURY, THERE'S NO INTERMEDIATE WEAPON USED, UM, WE REPORT THAT USE OF FORCE IN THE, IN THE NARRATIVE OF THE OFFENSE REPORT. 
          BUT IT, IT IS NOT DOCUMENTED ON A USE OF FORCE REPORT, BUT IT IS DOCUMENTED. 
          AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED THE WAY, UH, CAMPAIGN ZERO REQUIRES, WE DON'T GET CREDIT FOR THAT ONE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE, JOHN. 
          SO, BANNED SHOOTINGS AT ALL. 
          MOVING VEHICLES, OUR POLICY PROHIBITS THE SHOOTING AT A MOVING VEHICLE, EXCEPT IN THE ULTIMATE MEASURE OF SELF-DEFENSE OR THE SELF-DEFENSE OF ANOTHER. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          UM, GIVEN THE, IF YOU, UH, HARKEN BACK TO CHARLOTTESVILLE, CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA, UH, WHEN THE DRIVER OF A, 
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I, I THINK IT WAS A TRUCK OR A CAR PLOWED INTO A GROUP OF DEMONSTRATORS, INJURING, UH, QUITE A FEW OF THEM, IF THAT HAPPENED HERE, WE WOULD NOT, WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION ELIMINATED FROM OUR POLICY, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRY AND NEUTRALIZE THAT DRIVER. 
          UM, THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH CAMPAIGN ZEROS, UM, WANTING US TO ELIMINATE THAT, THAT CAVEAT FROM OUR POLICY. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO REQUIRE WARNINGS BEFORE SHOOTING. 
          SO OUR DEESCALATION POLICY, UM, IN, IN, IN, IN ANY SITUATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A USE OF FORCE THROUGH WARNINGS, ADVISEMENTS, VERBAL PERSUASION AND TACTICS. 
          THE THE PERSON THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH UNDERSTANDS AND KNOWS, UH, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          EITHER WE'RE GOING TO TASE YOU, UH, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME OTHER MEASURE TO TRY AND GET YOU IN COMPLIANCE, BUT THOSE WARNINGS AND ADVISEMENTS TAKE PLACE DURING DEESCALATION. 
          UH, I, I WANNA READ A, UH, I WANNA READ A, UH, NOTE TO YOU THAT I RECEIVED FROM A, UH, FROM A MOTHER, UH, ABOUT HER SON. 
          I GOT IT YESTERDAY. 
          AND SHE CALLS TO SAY HER NAME IS TABITHA, TABITHA WILLIAMS. OOPS, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN THAT ON THE AIR. 
          BUT ANYWAY, HER NAME IS TABITHA. 
          UM, SHE'S GOT A, AN AUTISTIC SON. 
          AND SHE SAYS THAT OFFICER COOPER CAME OUT TO HER HOUSE TODAY, AND SHE CALLED BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WAY HE TALKED TO HER SON AND THE WAY HE HANDLED EVERYTHING. 
          SHE WAS REALLY IMPRESSED, AND SHE SAID SHE WISHED SHE COULD HAVE RECORDED IT. 
          SO THAT, THAT, UH, IS A, IS AN EXAMPLE OF DEESCALATION WHERE WE GET ON THE SCENE AND WE TALK PEOPLE DOWN FROM WHATEVER IT IS, UH, THAT THAT IS, UM, UH, BEING, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMATIC TO THEM. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE. 
          JOHN, I I WANNA GO OVER SOME OF OUR TRAINING, UH, BLOCKS FOR YOU. 
          SO WE, THIS SLIDE IS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WE PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. 
          SUPERVISORY, OVERSIGHT, INTERNAL AUDITS, POLICY REVIEWS AND REVISIONS, WHICH WE DO ALL THE TIME, UH, INVESTIGATIONS OF, OF, UH, ALLEGED MISCONDUCT THROUGH THE COMPLAINT AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD, COMMUNICATION WITH, WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND LEADERS TO DISCUSS DEPARTMENT POLICIES DURING CRITICAL INCIDENTS. 
          UM, WE PARTICIPATE AND, AND REGULARLY ATTEND, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND H O A MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          WE HAVE A BRAND NEW, UM, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE PLATFORM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNSEL FOR, FOR, UH, RATIFYING THAT, UH, CALLED SPIDER TECH, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ALL CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          UM, AND IT, IT, UM, IT HOLDS US ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE IT NOTIFIES, UH, COMPLAINANTS OF EVERY STEP THAT WE'RE DOING AND EVERY STEP THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IN AN INVESTIGATION, UH, THAT'S, UH, WE'RE DOING FOR THEM. 
          UH, WE HAVE A NU A NUMBER OF OUR PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN ENCOURAGING PARTICIPATION IN THE COMMUNITY, SUCH AS SAFE. 
          WE HAVE OUR POLICE CORPS, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE POLICE EXPLORER PROGRAM. 
          WE HAVE OUR SUCCESS THROUGH RESPECT, UH, PROGRAM, WHICH I'LL GET INTO LATER, OUR CITIZENS ON PATROL PROGRAM, OUR CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY PROGRAM, AND OUR OFFICER RIDE ALONGS, JUST TO NAME A FEW. 
          NEXT, JOHN. 
          SO, CULTURAL DIVERSITY IS, IS A CORE CURRICULUM OF BOTH CADET TRAINING AND IS REQUIRED DURING T COLD TRAINING CYCLES OR, OR, OR OUR IN-SERVICE TRAINING. 
          UH, IN 2016, THE, THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, STARTING WITH THE COMMAND STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE, UH, UM, EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM. 
          AND, UM, UM, WE RECEIVED THAT TRAINING THE FIRST TWO DAYS, UH, THAT THE, FROM A, UH, THE, UH, GURU OF, UM, UM, DIVERSITY TRAINING, UH, UH, A PROFESSOR BY THE NAME OF DR. 
          LORI FIDEL FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE, THE DAY FOLLOW FOLLOWING OUR TWO DAY TRAINING, UH, WE DID TRAIN THE TRAINER AND IN, UM, AND THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT WAS TRAINED, UH, IN CULTURAL, AND, I'M SORRY, IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING. 
          UM, IN 2014, WE INCORPORATED ADDITIONAL DEESCALATION REQUIREMENTS INTO THE GENERAL MANAGER INTO THE GENERAL MANUAL, AND WE PROVIDED THAT TRAINING TO OFFICERS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. 
          DEESCALATION 
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REMAINS A CORE COMPONENT OF OUR RESPONSE TO USE OF FORCE SITUATIONS, AND WE'VE SEEN REDUCTIONS IN THE USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS AS A RESULT OF THAT. 
          AND, AND, UH, OTHER ME MEASURES THAT WE'VE USED TO, UH, UM, UH, ACCENTUATE THAT, THAT ISSUE, OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OVER THE LAST DECADE. 
          EVERY CADET RECEIVES 40 HOURS OF THAT TRAINING, UM, BEFORE THEY GET OUT OF THE ACADEMY. 
          AND OFFICERS, UH, WHO HAVE GOTTEN OUT, WHO GOT OUTTA THE ACADEMY BEFORE THAT, UM, WENT BACK AND, AND RECEIVED THAT TRAINING. 
          UM, SO, UM, UH, C I T EDUCATION IS PROVIDED DURING IN-SERVICE TRAINING, UM, YOU KNOW, T O TRAINING DURING OUR TRAINING CYCLES. 
          NEXT SLIDE, JOHN. 
          UM, I'M, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT OUR OFFICER WELLNESS AND SUPPORT IS ONE OF THE SIX PILLARS OF OBAMA'S, UH, 21ST CENTURY POLICE REPORT, WHICH I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A TEAM OF PSYCHIATRISTS, PSYCH PSYCHOLOGISTS THAT, UM, ARE AVAILABLE TO ANY OFFICER AT ANY TIME. 
          THEY HAVE A NEED TO SEE ONE. 
          UH, WE DID A, A, UH, A HUGE PERFORMANCE RECOVERY OPTIMIZATION, UH, TRAINING SESSION, AND WE'VE MADE THAT AVAILABLE TO EVERY OFFICER. 
          AND OUR OFFICER CONCERN PROGRAM IS AN, IS AN EARLY WARNING TRACKING SYSTEM THAT, UM, WILL GENERATE A, UM, A RESPONSE IF AN OFFICER GETS SO MANY COMPLAINTS WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD, OR IF AN OFFICER, UM, AN OFFICER CAN BE REFERRED TO THE OFFICER CONCERN PROGRAM BY A SUPERVISOR. 
          IF, UH, IF THE SUPERVISOR SEES THAT THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THAT OFFICER IN ONE RESPECT OR ANOTHER, OR I CAN DIRECTLY REFER AN OFFICER INTO, UH, THE OFFICER CONCERN PROGRAM BASED ON A DISCIPLINARY MATTER AND 21ST CENTURY POLICING. 
          UM, THAT WAS A, UM, A, UH, REPORT THAT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, UH, FINISHED UP AND, AND MADE PUBLIC IN NOVEMBER OF 2015 WHEN THAT WAS ANNOUNCED. 
          UH, I CREATED SIX SUBCOMMITTEES, ONE FOR EACH OF THE PILLARS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, AND TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO INCORPORATE THE FINDINGS OF THAT, UH, TASK FORCE, UH, REPORT, UH, INTO THE PRACTICES AND STRATEGIES, UH, OF THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO IN, IN ADDITION TO SWORN, UM, PERSONNEL, UH, COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY PARTICIPANTS THAT WERE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE INCLUDED REPRESENTATIVES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, COLLEGES, AND UNIVERSITIES ADVOCACY ORGANIZATIONS, AND THE LOCAL MEDIA AS WELL. 
          SO THESE ARE THE SIX PILLARS, UM, OF THE 21ST CENTURY REPORT. 
          AND IN, IN, IN 20 17, 20 17, OUR HOPE TEAM, UM, WHICH ENGAGED, UH, OVER 1400 CONTACTS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND I'LL EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE, UM, WAS KIND OF A DIRECT OFFSHOOT OF, UM, OF THE, UH, POLICE, UH, COMMUNITY POLICING AND CRIME REDUCTION PILLAR. 
          UM, THE HOPE TEAM ASSISTS HOMELESS PEOPLE TO, UM, TO RE RETRIEVE BIRTH CERTIFICATES THAT WERE LOST AN ID THAT WAS LOST TO HELP THEM GET OUT OF THAT CYCLE OF, UM, UM, BEING UNABLE TO APPLY FOR ANY SERVICES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THEM, BUT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY HAD NO ID NEXT. 
          JOHN. 
          SO THE ADVANCING 21ST CENTURY POLICE INITIATIVE, WE WERE INVITED, SS A P D WAS INVITED, UH, TO BE PART OF THIS INITIATIVE. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE MET 73 OF THE 76 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE, UH, PROVIDED IN THE PRESIDENT'S REPORT. 
          UH, WE WERE INVITED BY D O J, UH, TO BE ONE OF 15 POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE. 
          UH, WE WERE THE LARGEST OF THE AGENCIES THAT WERE SELECTED. 
          THE NEXT LARGEST WAS, UM, TUCSON, ARIZONA. 
          UM, WE WERE, WERE RECOGNIZED, UM, AFTER PARTICIPATING IN THIS INITIATIVE AS ONE OF, UM, UH, AS HAVING A NATIONAL MODEL FOR COMMUNITY POLICING AND OFFICER WELLNESS AND TRAINING, UH, WE HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY I A C P FOR THAT. 
          UM, THEY CAME HERE AND, UH, WE WERE ACTUALLY SLATED TO GET AN AWARD FROM D O J FOR THIS, BUT IT, AT THE CHANGE OF THE, UH, ADMINISTRATION THAT KIND OF GOT KICKED OFF TO THE SIDE, AND WE NEVER 
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DID RECEIVE THE, UH, THE RECOGNITION FOR IN, IN THE FORM OF AN AWARD. 
          BUT, UH, WE WERE INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO MEET WITH THE, UM, ATTORNEY GENERAL, UH, WITH THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT WERE SELECTED TO BE IN THIS INITIATIVE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, JOHN. 
          SO, LAST SPRING, UH, I THINK IT WAS, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, JADA ANDREW SULLIVAN ON THE LEFT OF THIS PICTURE. 
          UH, WE, WE WERE GOING AROUND, I WAS GOING AROUND THE CITY AND HOLDING WHAT I CALL PUBLIC SAFETY ROUNDTABLES. 
          SO WE MET WITH, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS AND, UM, OTHER FOLKS FROM NEIGHBORHOODS TO, TO JUST TO KIND OF HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, ABOUT ISSUES OF MUTUAL CONCERN THAT WERE TAKING PLACE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND WE DID THAT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, THROUGH THE SUMMER, UH, UP UNTIL THE FALL, UH, OF, OF LAST YEAR. 
          UM, THANKS JOHN. 
          SO, UM, I'VE ALSO GOT A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GROUP THAT I MEET WITH. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I MET WITH THEM TWICE, UM, UH, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          UH, WE, WE REGULARLY MEET QUARTERLY TO DISCUSS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, UH, AND WE COLLABORATE ON, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF MUTUAL CONCERN. 
          UH, THIS, THIS PAST, UH, MEETING, WHICH WAS YESTERDAY. 
          UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE EVENTS OF THE PAST, UH, COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          UH, WE TALKED ABOUT UPDATES ON COVID. 
          UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. 
          AND, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, PLA YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS OF MY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM VERY WELL. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LIST BELOW ALL THE, UH, THE VARIETY OF, UH, DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE ENGAGEMENT TEAM COMES FROM. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, THE, UM, THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM IS, IS, IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE I JUST SPOKE OF. 
          UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE I GAVE 'EM THE SAME NAME AS, AS THIS GROUP, BUT, UM, THIS GROUP IS A, IT IS KIND OF A, IT'S NOT A SPINOFF, BUT IT'S A, IT, UH, VARIATION OF THE GANG INTERVE FOR GANG VIOLENCE INTERVENTION PROGRAM THAT WE WERE PARTICIPATING IN IN 2018. 
          SO THIS PROGRAM IS COMPRISED OF THREE STAFF MEMBERS, UH, NON-SWORN, AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENGAGING, UH, WITH RESIDENTS IN AREAS WITH HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF, OF VIOLENT CRIME. 
          AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY WORK WITH RESIDENTS TO REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF BEING A VICTIM OF VIOLENT CRIME. 
          UH, THEY REFER, UM, FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UH, SERVICES AND RESOURCES. 
          THEY, UH, FACILITATE ASSISTANCE TO VICTIMS OF CRIME. 
          UM, THEY, THEY WORK THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO TRY TO PREVENT, UM, A CONTINUATION OF THE VIOLENT CRIME. 
          AND, UM, THESE, THESE FOLKS ARE, HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, UM, IN THE PAST. 
          THEY ARE FORMER GANG MEMBERS, UH, AND THEY'RE, THEY WORK WITH OUR HOMICIDE UNIT, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON ANY ISSUES IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT WE NEED THEM TO DO. 
          UM, AND THE, THE 2019 PROGRAM, UH, OUR TOTALS, UM, FOR CONTACTS WITH HIGH RISK INDIVIDUALS, WE DID A HUNDRED, ALMOST 150 OF THOSE, UH, NOTIFICATIONS AND MEDIATIONS. 
          WE DID 29, UH, INVESTIGATIVE ASSISTANCE, UH, WITH, UM, OUR, UH, HOMICIDE INVESTIGATORS. 
          WE DID 53 OF THOSE AND 260 SERVICE REFERRALS. 
          SO THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN, UH, UH, HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT, IT REALLY, REALLY FLIES BELOW THE RADAR, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          UM, I WANT TO FOCUS ON THREE OF THESE PROGRAMS. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS SUCCESS THROUGH RESPECT. 
          UH, WE STARTED THAT IN 2016, AND IT'S AN INTERACTIVE AND CONVERSATIONAL PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS FOR A SAFE SPACE FOR OFFICERS TO LISTEN TO STUDENTS IN SCHOOLS AND THE CONCERN AND SHARE CONCERNS WITH THEM, AND THINGS THAT THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH, UM, UH, AND OFFICERS WILL, WILL TALK THEM THROUGH THAT. 
          OFTENTIMES, WE'VE HAD, UM, UH, YOUTH THAT HAVE HAD NO INTERACTIONS OR NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH THE POLICE. 
          UH, THIS PROGRAM HELPS TO FOSTER THAT FUTURE, UH, THAT, THAT MUTUAL RESPECT AND CREATE SAFE ENCOUNTERS DURING ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERACTIONS GOING FORWARD FROM THAT. 
          THE SECOND ONE IS HANDLED WITH CARE. 
          AND I WANT TO QUOTE DR. 
          BRIDGER, UH, ON HERE, IF I MAY. 
          UH, SHE SAYS THAT HURT PEOPLE, HURT PEOPLE. 
          AND, UH, ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES, UH, HAVE LASTING IMPACTS ON CHILDREN. 
          UH, THE CHILD VICTIM NORMALIZES THE VICTIMIZATION AND BECOMES, UH, THEY BECOME ADULT 
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VICTIMS OR PERPETRATORS. 
          UH, YOU CAN TELL THAT THAT'S A PHD'S LANGUAGE AND NOT MINE. 
          UM, WITH THE, THE EARLY INTERVENTION PROGRAM WE LAUNCHED, LAUNCHED BACK IN, UH, IN, UH, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF REGION 20. 
          UH, WHEN WE RESPOND TO A SCENE WHERE THERE'S A CHILD INVOLVED, EITHER AS A VICTIM OR A WITNESS, UH, WE WILL NOTIFY THE SCHOOL AND, UM, SO THAT THEY, THEY BECOME AWARE OF THE, UH, THE, UH, CHILD THAT THE CHILD EXPERIENCED TRAUMA. 
          AND, UM, WE WILL CREATE THAT, THAT, THAT NOTIFICATION IN AN EMAIL, UM, SO THAT THE STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT CHILD NEEDS TO BE HANDLED, UH, GENTLY AND UNDERSTANDS WHY THEY MAY BE HAVING ISSUES IN SCHOOL. 
          SPECIALLY TRAINED TEACHERS AND COUNSELORS WILL PROVIDE TRAUMA-INFORMED CARE TO EACH OF THOSE STUDENTS THAT WE NOTIFY THE SCHOOL ABOUT. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SENT, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, CLOSE TO 500 NOTIFICATIONS TO SCHOOLS ON THE HANDLE WITH CARE PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAM THAT IS A PROGRAM THAT TARGETS EVIDENCE-BASED CRIME REDUCTION, E EFFORTS IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, DRUG OR GROUP VIOLENCE PREVENTION, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NEEDED AND, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SECURITY. 
          SO, IF, IF YOU RECALL, WE, UH, WE, UH, WE BUDGETED, OR, OR Y'ALL BUDGETED $150,000 FROM THE CONFISCATED PROPERTY FUND DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 BUDGET. 
          UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF RELEASING AN R F P FROM ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS TO, UH, TO APPLY FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          AND THE AWARDS WILL PROVIDE FUNDING TO THE SELECTED, TO THE SELECTED GROUPS TO IMPLEMENT PROGRAMS ABOUT CRIME REDUCTION STRATEGIES, UH, AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL. 
          UH, ONE LAST ONE I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT I, THAT I DIDN'T ADD INTO MY FIRST, UH, OPENING IS, UM, WE MEET WITH THE NAACP ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, AND WE TALK ABOUT, UH, ISSUES THAT THEY MAY HAVE. 
          UH, WE TALK ABOUT ISSUES THAT WE MAY WANNA LOOK TO THE HORIZON ABOUT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAPPEN. 
          UH, WE LOOK AT THINGS HAPPENING IN OTHER CITIES TO TRY AND, UM, KEEP THEM FROM HAPPENING HERE. 
          AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HEARD, UH, I INVITED DR. 
          HUSBETH, WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP TO RIDE WITH ME ON SATURDAY NIGHTS, UH, AS WE, UH, SURVEYED THE AREA DURING THE, UH, THE, UH, PEACEFUL AND THE, UH, THE VIOLENCE DEMONSTRATIONS. 
          SO, UM, UM, UM, YEAH, THANKS. 
          SO, NEXT STEPS. 
          UM, UM, SO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, KA IF I MAY CALL ON YOU TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE VERY FIRST, UM, CHECK MARK THERE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY LIST, COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSIONS, BECAUSE THAT WAS YOUR, THAT WAS YOUR, UM, THAT WAS YOUR, UH, IDEA TO DO THAT. 
          IF, IF YOU WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T MIND SPEAKING ABOUT THAT. 
          NOT AT ALL. 
          CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING IT UP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD OUR COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK, BUT I REALLY HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TALKING WITH US IS THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING HEARD. 
          SO, UM, SINCE THE MAYOR, UH, RECONVENED, RECONSTITUTED THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WE FIRST WANT TO HEAR, UH, FROM, FROM OUR PEOPLE, WE WANNA HEAR WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS THE FIRST THREE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE GONNA BE ALL IN A WEEK, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LISTENING SESSIONS. 
          I'LL GIVE, UH, MORE DIRECT INFORM OR MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION, UM, DURING MY TIME TO SPEAK. 
          BUT IT'S GONNA, THERE'S GONNA BE TWO VIRTUAL SESSIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN, UH, SIGN ON VIRTUALLY AND, UH, AND TALK WITH US. 
          AND THERE'S GONNA BE ONE IN-PERSON SESSION. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE AT VARYING TIMES OF THE DAY, UM, ONE ON THE WEEKEND SO THAT THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY CAN ATTEND. 
          BUT IT REALLY IS A, A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION, BUT MOSTLY JUST, UM, GIVING PEOPLE A FORUM TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM AND TELLING US WHAT THEY WANNA SEE AND, AND WHAT CHANGE THEY WANT IN OUR CITY. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, SO THE NEXT ONE IN 2021, WE ARE LOOKING TO, UH, BEGIN EQUITY AND GENDER DIVERSITY TRAINING. 
          UH, WE WILL COORDINATE AND FINALIZE REVIEW OF OUTSTANDING EIGHT CAN'T WAIT POLICIES. 
          WE'LL WORK WITH THE ORGANIZER, UH, OF, UM, UM, CAMPAIGN, CAMPAIGN ZERO, UH, TO DO THAT. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OFFICER ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          UM, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS TO TRY AND STAY AHEAD OF THE GAME, SO TO SPEAK, AND KE AND, AND STAY AHEAD OF THE, UH, WITH, WITH BEST PRACTICES IS WE, WE KEEP OUR EYE ON WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          AND WHEN THERE ARE INCIDENTS THAT OCCUR, UH, THAT RISE 
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TO THE LEVEL OF NATIONAL ATTENTION, WE WILL COMPARE WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE'LL COMPARE OUR POLICIES AGAINST THAT, UH, OF THE, OF THE SUBJECT CITY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE DON'T FALL INTO THE SAME, UM, UH, ISSUE THAT THEY DID. 
          AND, UM, AND I WANNA, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS LAST, UH, BULLET POINT HERE ABOUT ESTABLISHING C B A AND STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. 
          UH, THIS, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE, IN THE, THE, UH, PRESENTATION ON SOME OTHER SLIDES, THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR ME. 
          THIS IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME. 
          THERE HAS TO BE CONSEQUENCES FOR MISCONDUCT, AND, AND THERE ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE CERTAIN, AND THEY HAVE TO BE FINAL CONSEQUENCES FOR MISCONDUCT MUST BE CERTAIN, AND, AND THEY MUST BE FINAL. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT, WE GET POLICE OFFICERS BACK ON THE DEPARTMENT THAT NEED TO BE FIRED. 
          STATE LAW AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CONTRACTS PROTECT BAD OFFICERS. 
          ARTICLE 28 AND 29 OF THE COLLECTIVE PRE CURRENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT NEED TO BE CHANGED. 
          AND WITH THE, WITH THE WORK, UH, AND THE EFFORT OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AT THE, BOTH, AT BOTH THE STATE AND THE LOCAL LEVEL, UM, WE NEED TO PUSH THAT AS HARD AS WE CAN TO THE, THE TIME FOR THAT. 
          THE TIME FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IS NOW, IF THERE EVER WAS ONE. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          UM, OPEN FOR QUESTIONS, UH, WHENEVER Y'ALL READY. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          ERIC, UH, YOU WANTED TO WRAP UP? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, SO JUST I WANNA REITERATE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CHIEF JUST CONCLUDED ON EM. 
          YEAH, THE, THE FIRST IS THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY, THAT THE, THE EIGHT CAN WAIT POLICY REVIEW, UM, IS ONGOING. 
          AND WE WILL KEEP THE COUNCIL UPDATED ON THAT, UH, CONCLUSION ON THOSE FOUR POLICIES THAT WE, THAT WE THINK WE SUBSTANTIVELY, UM, ADHERE TO, UM, THE SECOND, AND, AND COUNCILWOMAN, UM, HOWARD HAVE MENTIONED IT. 
          UM, WE FRANKLY, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO FACILITATING THOSE LISTENING SESSIONS. 
          AND AS THE COUNCILWOMAN SAID, UM, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE LISTENED, AND WE NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE FORUMS. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          THERE, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT, UH, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AS A DEPARTMENT AND TRY TO STAY AHEAD FROM A, FROM A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STANDPOINT AND A COMMUNITY EXPECTATION STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO AS A SERVICE STANDPOINT. 
          UM, AND, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY, UH, NEEDS TO BALANCE, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OR THE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. 
          AND I'M, AND YOU KNOW, I, I MAY BE A LITTLE POLLYANNA ABOUT IT, BUT I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE, THAT THE UNION, UH, FRANKLY, UH, RECOGNIZES THAT THAT BALANCE HAS TO BE STRUCK. 
          UH, I THINK THE, I THINK IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS IT. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN THE MAYOR, IN THE COUNCIL'S MOUTH, BUT THE, BUT Y'ALL PROBABLY EXPECT IT. 
          I KNOW. 
          I CERTAINLY EXPECT IT, AND THE CHIEF EXPECTS IT. 
          AND, AND, UH, I WOULD GO SO FAR TO SAY THAT THERE ARE OFFICERS, UH, POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND PROBABLY IN THIS COUNTRY THAT EXPECT IT. 
          WE'VE GOTTA STRIKE THAT BALANCE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, MAYOR, IS THAT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT AS WE, AFTER THE LISTENING SESSIONS, THAT WE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL LATER ON THIS MONTH, UM, WITH POTENTIALLY SOME ACTION, UM, THAT, UH, ONCE WE'VE GOTTEN THE COMMUNITY, UH, HAS HAD A CHANCE TO, TO ENGAGE AND PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK AND, AND, UM, AND COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL BY THE END OF THE MONTH, UM, AND, AND RE REENGAGE AND, AND, UH, AND TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, ERIC. 
          UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET INTO COUNCIL, UH, DISCUSSION NOW. 
          UH, AND LET ME GO AHEAD AND START. 
          UM, FIRST, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, CHIEF, ERIC, UH, I KNOW MARIA, YOU, YOU WERE ALSO WORKING ON THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT IF, IF THINGS WERE EXACTLY HOW THEY SHOULD BE, PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE MARCHING IN THE STREETS. 
          UM, WE ARE A GREAT DEPARTMENT, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. 
          WE'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED AS SUCH NATIONWIDE, BUT I DO THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR CHANGE. 
          AND SO I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE AND, AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, I WOULD CALL THEM RIGHTEOUS DEMONSTRATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE ACROSS SAN ANTONIO, WHICH ARE A CALL TO ACTION. 
          IT'S REALLY A WAKE UP CALL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE SEEK JUSTICE FOR ANYONE, IF WE SUGGEST IT FOR GEORGE FLOYD, FOR THOSE WHO CAME 
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BEFORE HIM, IF WE REALLY MEAN WHAT WE SAY WHEN BLACK LIVES MATTER, IF WE HOPE FOR A FUTURE FREE OF RACISM, IF WE'RE TO REALIZE A SAFER AND HEALTHIER CITY FOR BLACK, BROWN, ASIAN, WHITE, WHITE, GAY, TRANS, STRAIGHT COMMUNITIES, THEN WE MUST BE READY TO WORK ON ALL FRONTS. 
          UM, FIRST, UM, THE CHIEF HAS EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY OVER PARTS OF HIS DEPARTMENT, THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. 
          UM, SECOND, THERE'S A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN AUTHORITIES THAT ARE ALIGNED TO THAT. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'S STATE AND FEDERAL LAW THAT, UH, PERTAINS TO POLICING IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND I THINK WE HAVE TO, UH, ADDRESS AN AGENDA FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, WE ALSO HAVE TO, AS A COUNCIL, BE READY TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH OUR POLICE UNION THAT ALLOWS FOR AN EQUITABLE INVESTMENT IN OUR RESIDENTS. 
          WHEN I, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO ALSO REALIZE THAT CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING OUR OWN, ARE BEING FORCED TO, UM, RECOGNIZE THAT THE SOLUTION TO POVERTY, WHICH WE ARE EXPERIENCING HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, IS NOT SIMPLY MORE POLICING OF IT. 
          IN FACT, IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE. 
          WE CAN'T BE COMFORTABLE WITH CONTRACTS LIKE OUR OWN, THAT LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO PROMOTE WIDESPREAD FOOD AND HOUSING SECURITY, GENERAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS, EQUITY, RESILIENCE, AND ULTIMATELY PROSPERITY. 
          WHEN I VOTED AGAINST THE CURRENT POLICE UNION CONTRACTS, COLLECTIVE POLICE UNION'S COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT IN 2016, I EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES AND ARGUED AT LENGTH THAT THE CONTRACT WAS SIMPLY TOO COSTLY. 
          AND TODAY WE'RE FACING SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES AND QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ASKING US TO JUSTIFY OUR LOCAL BUDGETS AND THEIR PERCEIVED INEQUITIES. 
          SO I WANT TO SAY I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS NOW, JUST AS I DID FOUR YEARS AGO, AND I'M LOOKING TO FORWARD TO THE ENSUING DISCUSSIONS THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IN SOME OF OUR COUNCIL COMMITTEES, COMMUNITY HEALTH AND EQUITY, I G R, AND OF COURSE, PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          I DO WANNA, UM, DEFEND MY OPENING COMMENTS BY, BY THANKING, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE MARCHING, THE DEMONSTRATORS. 
          UH, IT IS A CROSS SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY, MANY RACES, RELIGIONS, BACKGROUNDS, AND CREEDS, PEACEABLY, ASSEMBLING, TAKING TO THE STREETS AND DEMANDING CHANGE. 
          WE HEAR YOU, AND IT'S WHY WE'VE DIS, UH, WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TODAY. 
          I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, ERIC, CHIEF, ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HEAR, UH, THE TALKS ABOUT BUDGETS, UH, NOT JUST IN OUR CITY, BUT ELSEWHERE. 
          IT'S A, IT IS A QUESTION TO ME OF HOW WE BUILD A SAFE AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY. 
          AND IT CAN'T SIMPLY BE A FUNCTION OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGETS. 
          UH, IT'S A MATTER OF EQUITY IN ALL PARTS OF OUR CITY. 
          WHAT PERCENT OF OUR POLICE BUDGET IS LOCKED IN? UH, OUR CURRENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, UM, MAYOR, PROBABLY ABOUT, UH, RIGHT LITTLE OVER 80% OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. 
          HOW MANY, A LITTLE OVER 80% OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. 
          SO WHAT ITEMS, UH, WITHIN THE POLICE BUDGET ARE AT THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION FROM AN ANNUAL BUDGET PERSPECTIVE? SO WHAT WOULDN'T BE IN INCLUDED IN THERE, MARY, WOULD BE LIKE OUR 9 1 1 DISPATCH OPERATIONS. 
          UH, THE, UM, UM, THE CIVILIAN PORTIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE EITHER, UH, TAKING CARE OF THE FLEET OR THE COMPUTERS OR, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE. 
          UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET IS, UH, AND THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH IT ARE WITH THE, UH, THE OVER 2,400 EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE. 
          OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, AND I REALIZE THAT A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, UH, WELLNESS OF THE COMMUNITY, SOCIAL WORK. 
          HOW MANY SOCIAL WORKERS DO WE HAVE WORKING WITHIN SS A P D, AND HOW ARE, HOW ARE WE DISTRIBUTING THOSE, UM, GEOGRAPHICALLY, OR, OR IS IT NEEDS BASED? UH, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, UH, WHILE THE THE CHIEF GETS THE DETAILS, I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE, UH, OUR CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE ALLOCATED TO ALL THE SUBSTATIONS. 
          IT'S NOT EQUAL. 
          IT'S BASED ON, ON CALL LOAD. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS, THE CIVILIANS THAT WE, UH, EMPLOY THAT PROVIDE THE FOLLOW UP WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS. WE ALSO HAVE OUR CRISIS, UH, ADVOCACY, UH, DIVISION. 
          UM, BUT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS MAYOR IS THAT, IS THAT THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF THIS WORK THAT HAS BEEN, UM, UM, BORNE BY OFFICERS IN THE PAST AS, AS, UH, CHANGES EITHER ON MENTAL HEALTH OR HOMELESSNESS, 
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UM, HAVE INCREASED. 
          UM, THAT'S THE BALANCE THAT I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL AND MY PREDECESSOR, UH, SAW FIVE YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN THE ISSUE OF INCLUDING WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL POLICY, UH, NOT SPENDING MORE THAN 66% OF OUR BUDGET ON PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND THE, THE ISSUE AT THE TIME, AND IT STILL VERY MUCH EXISTS TODAY, IS, IS THE, IT IT, WITHOUT SOME SORT OF CONTROL OVER THAT, IT STARTS TO CROWD OUT THE, THE MUCH NEEDED, UM, RESOURCES AND SERVICES THAT WE DO EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          SO IF I KNOW WE'RE GOING OVER, WE'RE GOING INTO THE BUDGET GOAL SETTING SESSION, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE ARE, IF WE ARE, WELL, WE'RE BUDGETING ON EQUITY AND TRYING TO DISTRIBUTE RESOURCES WHERE THEY NEED IT THE MOST. 
          BUT IF WE'RE STARVING COMMUNITIES OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES AND LIBRARIES AND PARKS AND NUTRITION PROGRAMS, SENIOR CENTERS, IF WE'RE HOLDING OFF, UH, TO JUST BARELY FUND THOSE ITEMS THAT WE KNOW BUILD QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELLNESS, UH, WE REAP WHAT WE SOW. 
          AND IF THE RESULT, UH, WE SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED AT THE RESULTS THAT WE GET. 
          AND IF OUR RESPONSE TO THAT IS SIMPLY THAT WE WANT TO, WE HAVE TO, AND WE WANT TO POLICE AREAS MORE, I THINK WE'RE JUST IN AN EVER ENDING CYCLE. 
          AND THERE'S GOTTA BE, UM, THERE'S GOTTA BE A LONG-TERM VIEW FOR US IN TERMS OF HOW WE BUDGET OUR RESOURCES, NOT JUST TO PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO RELY ON THAT. 
          AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CHANGE OUR CALCULUS IN TERMS OF HOW WE BUILD, UH, HEALTHIER COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, CHIEF, UH, WE'VE TALKED A A LOT OVER THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF OR SO. 
          USE OF FORCE IS, IS UNDER INTENSE SCRUTINY RIGHT NOW, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE DIGGING INTO OURS. 
          UM, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT, UH, NUMBER ONE, YOU AND I BOTH TALKED TO SAMSON GALLWAY OVER AT CAMPAIGN ZERO. 
          UM, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WITH SOME TWEAKS TO THE LANGUAGE IN OUR POLICIES THAT WE WILL BE FULFILLING SEVEN OUT OF THE EIGHT, UH, OF THOSE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT POLICIES THAT ARE REALLY DRIVE THAT REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, THE, THE, UH, HIGH LEVEL PO OR THE, UM, MOST IMMEDIATE WAYS WE CAN REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF POLICE VIOLENCE. 
          MAYOR, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT, THAT WE MEET ALL EIGHT, JUST NOT IN THE EXACT LANGUAGE THAT, UH, CAMPAIGN ZERO, UH, IS REQUIRING. 
          UH, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE POLICIES, UH, AND SEE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADJUST. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I, I KNOW, SO I, I'M, I'M CLEAR ON THE SEVEN, BUT I KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH HOW WE INTERPRET THE VEHICLE. 
          UH, THE, THE VEHICLE ONE, WHICH IS A POLICY CHANGE THAT YOU MADE TO, TO NO LONGER ALLOW FOR IT UNLESS IT'S IN A SPECIFIC CASE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW WORDS MATTER IN, IN THESE KINDS OF PROTOCOLS. 
          UM, SO I'D LIKE TO REPORT BACK, 'CAUSE I DO WANT US TO, UH, BE ABLE TO FULFILL THOSE IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE INTENDED. 
          UM, NOW WITH REGARD TO THE, A, THE VEHICLE PURSUIT POLICY AND, AND FIRING ON A, ON A MOVING VEHICLE, UH, THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT POLICY IS CATEGORICAL, NO LONGER CAN YOU DO THAT. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU'VE CHANGED THE POLICY TO WHERE YOU CAN ONLY FIRE ON A MOVING VEHICLE IF, UM, IF THAT PERSON POSES A, AN IMMEDIATE THREAT TO, TO LIFE AND AND SAFETY. 
          HOW MANY TIMES, UM, IN THE LAST 10 YEARS HAVE WE FIRED ON A MOVING VEHICLE? MAYOR? THE, THE, LET ME, I MEAN, I WANT TO, I WANT TO SEPARATE THE, THE, THE TWO ISSUES. 
          SO THE PURSUIT POLICY IS DIFFERENT THAN THE, UM, THAN THE, UH, FIRING AT A VEHICLE POLICY. 
          SO WE CHANGED THE PURSUIT POLICY SEVERAL YEARS BACK AS WELL, UH, 2009, MAYBE IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, TO ALLOW FOR, FOR VEHICLE PURSUITS ONLY WHEN THERE'S A VIOLENT FELONY OR A MISDEMEANOR WHERE THERE'S A WEAPON INVOLVED. 
          SO WE NO LONGER PURSUE FOR PROPERTY CRIMES. 
          NOW, THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM, UH, SHOOTING AT A VEHICLE. 
          SO, UH, WE CHANGED THAT A ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, UH, JUST 20 14, 20 20 14. 
          AND I, I CAN ONLY REMEMBER TWO OCCASIONS WHERE A VEHICLE WAS SHOT AT BY AN OFFICER, UH, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. 
          SO, UH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THOSE NUMBERS, FACT CHECK THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I CAN ONLY REMEMBER TWO TIMES IN, IN, IN THAT TIME 
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PERIOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SEE A, A, A BIG DELTA BETWEEN OUR INTERPRETATION OF, UM, THAT POLICY AND CAMPAIGN ZERO IN TERMS OF, UH, HOW WE WOULD ALIGN OURSELVES WITH, UH, WITH THAT STANDARD. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE US TO COME BACK AND, AND FULFILL, UH, THESE EIGHT POLICIES. 
          UM, THE LAST THING I'D ASK CHIEF, IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DEMONSTRATIONS, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, USE OF NON-LETHAL WEAPONS. 
          UH, I KNOW THOSE ARE UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, THE, THE DIFFICULTY I HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE PROTESTING, UM, USE OF FORCE, UH, BY POLICE. 
          WE HAVE TO BE IN, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL, UH, IF OUR RESPONSE TO, UM, THAT IS USE OF FORCE. 
          SO, UH, WITH REGARD TO YOUR, YOUR REVIEW, I DO, UH, WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, AND I APPRECIATE DOING THAT. 
          UH, MY LAST QUESTION AND COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I KNOW THERE IS A USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM WHEN IT COMES TO DEMONSTRATIONS AND ALSO JUST PUBLIC DISCLOSURE AND TRANSPARENCY. 
          UH, WE HAVE, I I BELIEVE OUR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN VERY PROACTIVE WITH THESE ITEMS, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD A FULL DISCUSSION SOLELY FOCUSED ON THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GO INTO RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          MAYOR, I CAN, I CAN WALK THROUGH THE, UH, USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM. 
          IT STARTS WITH THE, WITH WITH THE MERE PRESENCE OF AN OFFICER, UH, AND IT, AND IT WORKS ITS WAY UP FROM THERE TO THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE, UM, UH, VERBAL COMMANDS. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE EMPTY HAND CONTROL. 
          THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE A, UH, AN INTERMEDIATE WEAPON. 
          AND, UM, THE, UH, UH, AND THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE DEADLY FORCE, IF, IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE NECESSARY. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, BETWEEN THAT AND DEESCALATION TACTICS THAT I, THAT I TALKED ABOUT, UM, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GIVE A VERY, VERY THOROUGH LOOK IN, IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS TO WHAT LEVEL OF FORCE SHOULD BE USED, IF IN FACT IT'S NECESSARY. 
          AND JUST LET ME DOUBLE BACK ON THE, ON THE, UH, CAMPAIGN ZERO. 
          UH, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED ALL EIGHT, UH, THE NEXT TIME WE TALK. 
          GREAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK. 
          I, I, AND I RECOGNIZE, I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THE DIFFICULTY OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING, UH, AND WE SUPPORT YOU PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE, UH, EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY THAT WE NEED, UH, WITHIN CONTRACT REFORM. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL GO NOW TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VEO HBAR. 
          I'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CAB HBAR, PUBLIC SAFETY CHAIR, AND THEN WE'LL GO, UH, DISTRICTS ONE THROUGH 10. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, ROBERT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF OF QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          UM, CHIEF, ON SLIDE SEVEN, YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT WERE, YOU WERE TRYING, WE WERE TRYING, I'M SORRY, MAYBE IT WAS, UH, ERIC WAS TRYING TO GET IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAST CONTRACT. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT, BRIEFLY, WHAT SOME OF THE BARRIERS WERE TO GETTING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES? UH, ERIC, ERIC, YOU WANNA TAKE THAT? YEAH, I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. 
          CHIEF. 
          UM, SO JUST TO REMIND THE COUNCIL, AND SOME, YOU WERE NOT ON THE COUNCIL AT TIME, THAT WAS A PROLONGED NEGOTIATIONS. 
          UM, AT THE TIME, UH, THAT AGREEMENT WAS ONLY SETTLED BECAUSE WE WERE IN COURT ORDERED MEDIATION. 
          UM, AND, UM, THROUGH THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT THE, THAT MY PREDECESSOR AND THE TEAM, UH, HAD RECEIVED FROM, UH, THE PRIOR, UH, FROM MAYOR TAYLOR. 
          UM, THERE WERE, UH, UM, ITEMS THAT WERE, UH, ADJUSTED AS WE WENT ALONG. 
          THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO MAIN PRIORITIES IN THE LAST COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CONVERSATION WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          ONE WAS CERTAINLY HEALTH BENEFITS, AND EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THAT PORTION. 
          UH, THE OTHER PRIORITY THAT THE CITY HAD WAS, UH, THOSE LISTS OF DISCIPLINARY ISSUES. 
          UM, THE, THE THINGS ON THIS SLIDE ARE NOT NECESSARILY NEW TO THE CITY. 
          UM, THEY'VE BEEN, UM, THEY'VE BEEN ATTEMPTED BEFORE IN PREVIOUS NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE UNION. 
          UM, AND, UH, THEY JUST, THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED. 
          AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU, YOU HEARD THE MAYOR, THERE WAS THE MAYOR AND, UM, ONE OR TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE TIME VOTED AGAINST THE CONTRACT, UM, THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THEM, UH, BECAUSE THESE ITEMS WERE NOT, UH, INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE AGREEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS, ERIC. 
          THE SECOND IS FOR THE CHIEF, 
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UM, CHIEF, WILL YOU EXPLAIN WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SECOND CHANCE AGREEMENTS, AND DO YOU WORK WITH OLA ON THESE? CHIEF? YOU'RE MUTED. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE, UH, COUNCILMAN, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO LAST CHANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          AND IF AN OFFICER COMES IN AND WITH A DISCIPLINARY ISSUE THAT, UM, WE THINK THAT THE OFFICER DESERVES A, UH, UH, DOESN'T NEED TO BE FIRED, BUT THAT, BUT THE, UH, ISSUE WAS, UH, PRETTY EGREGIOUS, THEN WE WOULD, UM, OFFER A, A LAST CHANCE AGREEMENT, UM, THAT IT, IT TYPICALLY RUNS FOR, I THINK IT'S TWO YEARS-ISH. 
          AND IF THE OFFICER VIOLATES THE PROVISIONS OF THAT LAST CHANCE AGREEMENT, WHICH TYPICALLY ARE ANYTHING THAT YOU DO, UH, ANY MISCONDUCT OF A SIMILAR NATURE TO WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR TODAY, UM, THAT YOU'LL BE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'LL BE FIRED FOR IT. 
          AND THERE, AND THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE LAST CHANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I HAVE JUST ONE OTHER, A COMMENT, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT. 
          I, I REALLY LIKE US MOVING FORWARD AS A COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE OUTSIDE THE CONTRACT, WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP SHRINK THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          AND OF COURSE, I'D BE INTERESTED IN WHAT THE STATE CAN DO TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE MEASURES AND WORK WITH THEM. 
          UM, THE KILLING OF GEORGE FLO FLOYD ON MAY 25TH, HAS IGNITED A NATIONAL CONVERSATION REGARDING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, AND OTHER UNDERSERVED SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE PUBLIC DEMONSTRATIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACES, PLACE IN CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE AN EXPRESSION OF ANGER AND FRUSTRATION, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A DEMAND FOR MEANINGFUL ACTION TO ADDRESS CONCERNS OVER SYSTEMIC UNFAIRNESS AND DISTRUST TOWARDS GOVERNMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AS A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT SEVERAL DAYS ARE AN INDICATION THAT WE MUST EVALUATE THE NATURE OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AT ALL LEVELS. 
          WE'RE FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN A CITY THAT CELEBRATES ITS DIVERSITY. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER, BUT BEFORE WE ACT, WE MUST LISTEN. 
          I REALLY HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR AT OUR LAST SESSION TOGETHER IN THAT VEIN, AND ALONG WITH MY FELLOW PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, I WILL HOST THREE COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSIONS TO GATHER INPUT, INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON POLICING IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THE OBJECTIVE, OBJECTIVE OF THESE SESSIONS IS TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH OUR COMMITTEE, YOUR, YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. 
          WE'LL HOST TWO VIRTUAL SESSIONS, ONE BEING MONDAY, JUNE 15TH FROM FIVE 30 TO 7:30 PM AND ANOTHER VIRTUAL SESSION SATURDAY, JUNE 20TH, FROM 1130 TO 1:30 PM AN IN-PERSON SESSION WILL BE HOSTED ON THURSDAY, JUNE 18TH, AT 3:00 PM AT THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO OFFER DIFFERENT TYPES OF VENUES AND, UM, AND, AND DAYS AND, AND TIMES OF THE DAY SO THAT DIFFERENT, UM, PARTS OF THE CITY CAN PARTICIPATE AS WELL. 
          ALL MEETINGS WILL BE BROADCAST LIVE ON T V S A, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THE CITY'S FACEBOOK PAGE. 
          SIMILAR TO THE NEW PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS, THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS WILL PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH SEVERAL METHODS TO SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS. 
          WE DIDN'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY OUT, SO, UM, YOU CAN, UH, GET TO US VIA THE PUBLIC SAFETY CO COMMENT FORM FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          YOU CAN TEXT SA POLICE TO FIVE FIVE ZERO ZERO ZERO, TELEPHONE US BY CALLING (210) 207-6991. 
          AND THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THE MEETING SHOULD INCLUDE THEIR NAME AND TELEPHONE NUMBER ON MESSAGE. 
          ALL OF THIS WILL BE POSTED BY THE WAY, SO YOU CAN GET, UM, ALL THIS INFORMATION AT A LATER DATE. 
          THOSE WISHING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, AT THE IN-PERSON MEETING WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP IN ADVANCE AS WELL. 
          THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IS COM IS COMPRISED OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANDREW SULLIVAN, DISTRICT TWO, , DISTRICT THREE, SANDOVAL DISTRICT SEVEN, HARRY DISTRICT EIGHT, AND MYSELF FROM DISTRICT SIX. 
          BUT WE INVITE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO COME AND WELCOME AND, UM, TO COME AND SIT IN AND HEAR WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS SAYING. 
          AND OF COURSE, ALL CONCERNED CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO AND SIGN. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THESE LISTENING SESSIONS AND HEARING FROM OUR THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COVEO HDD. 
          UH, WE'LL GO NOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER COO HARA FOR, FOR ALL OF THAT. 
          AND, AND, AND YOUR, YOUR HARD WORK, UH, COUNT ME IN AS A PARTNER. 
          UH, I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE PERSONAL PHONE CALL AND INVITATION TO THOSE LISTENING SESSIONS. 
          AND, UH, I, I, LOOK, I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO THE HARD WORK AHEAD, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ARE LISTENING TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, ERIC SPECIFICALLY WANT 
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TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS PARTICULAR B SESSION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE VERY CONCERNS THE COMMUNITY HAS RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR MOVING, UH, UH, ANOTHER SCHEDULED ITEM, UH, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS B SESSION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU, AS YOU POINTED OUT, UH, I WANNA JUST ECHO YOUR WORDS. 
          YES, WE EXPECT IT, WE EXPECT, UH, THESE ITEMS TO BE ON THE FOREFRONT OF, UH, THE NEXT NEGOTIATIONS. 
          AND SO YOU'RE HEARING IT CLEARLY FOR ME, UH, ON THE RECORD. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU WERE THERE WITH ANDY SEGOVIA WHEN, UH, WE ESTABLISHED, UH, SOME REALLY, UH, GREAT, UH, UH, FIRST AMENDMENT, UH, UM, UH, MORE, UH, UH, FREE SPEECH, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, REGARDING, UH, PEOPLE WHO, WHO WISH TO, TO PROTEST. 
          AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO MAYBE, UH, ALSO DO A B SESSION REGARDING THAT OR, OR SOME KIND OF A, AN UPDATE, UH, ON, ON WHERE WE ARE, UH, AND, AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE GOT TO BECAUSE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, AN, AN AMAZING, UM, UH, UH, COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH FOLKS FROM FROM T O P, UM, MANY EVENTS AT THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER, UH, TO REALLY ESTABLISH SOME INCREDIBLE, UH, RULES REGARDING FREE SPEECH AND HOW WE WELCOME THAT IN OUR CITY, AND THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO, TO PROFIT OFF OF, OFF OF, UH, PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO PRACTICE, UH, THEIR RIGHT TO, TO, TO PROTEST OR, OR FREE SPEECH FOR THAT MATTER. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND CHIEF, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH SOME THINGS, UH, BECAUSE I'M ON A TIME LIMIT THAT THEY ARE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANSWERING THEM. 
          I'LL JUST ASK YOU TO GIVE THEM, TO GIVE THEM TO ME IN WRITING AND WE'LL DISSEMINATE THEM TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, BUT I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU WITH, WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE SAID, AND IT'S REALLY AMAZING THAT YOU'VE SET UP THE PILLARS LIKE YOU HAVE, BECAUSE IT DEMONSTRATES THAT WE DO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOD PEOPLE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE SERVING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT WE HAVE SOME GOOD SYSTEMS IN PLACE, UH, LIKE, UH, THE, THE HOPE PROGRAM. 
          AND, BUT I, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THO THOSE, THAT THAT IS A PROGRAM THAT A LOT OF US HAVE AGREED THAT NEEDS TO EXPAND. 
          IT DOES, IT DOES AN AMAZING THING TO PROVIDE A MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, UH, AS WELL AS THE HUGELY POPULAR SAFE PROGRAM. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK, UH, MANY FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN AGREE THAT ARE IMPORTANT. 
          HOWEVER, WE ALSO MUST AFFIRM THAT, UH, BLACK LIVES MATTER AND THAT THERE IS A REAL INEQUITY THAT EXISTS IN OUR COUNTRY. 
          AND SAN ANTONIO IS NOT IMMUNE TO THIS. 
          UH, OUR OFFICE SERVES, UH, TO LISTEN AND FIND BEST SOLUTIONS WITHIN OUR POWER. 
          IN 2019, WE FOUND THAT THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT DATA SHOWS OUT OF 571 STOPS, 190 OF THOSE STOPPED WERE BLACK PEOPLE. 
          THAT IS 33% OF ALL TRAFFIC STOPS, WHILE BLACK PEOPLE ONLY MAKE UP 6.9% OF THE CITY'S DEMOGRAPHIC. 
          THE REPORT CLAIMS THE RACE OF THOSE STOP WAS NOT KNOWN PRIOR TO ANY OF THE 500 AND AND 71 STOPS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. 
          UM, WE ALSO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, FUNDING SOURCES, OUTSIDE FUNDING SOURCES LIKE THE 10 33 GRANT THAT, THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. 
          UH, HOMELAND SECURITY URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVE. 
          UH, AND, YOU KNOW, IS THE CITY PLANNING TO RENEW ANY OF THESE GRANTS? UH, TWO, WHEN WOULD COUNCIL NEED TO APPROVE PARTICIPATION IN THESE PROGRAMS? AGAIN, UH, THREE, CAN WE GET AN ITEMIZED LIST OF ALL PURCHASES MADE WITH THE FOLLOWING GRANTS? FOUR, WHAT IS THE FISCAL IMPACT IF CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DECIDED NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS? AGAIN, FIVE, UH, ARE THE FEDERAL GRANTS SUPPLEMENTING THE S A P D BUDGET? IF FEDERAL GRANTS CAN FUND BASICS LIKE EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING FOR S A P D, CAN CITY OF SAN ANTONIO REALLOCATE OR LOCAL BUDGET DOLLARS TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHICH COMPLIMENT PUBLIC SAFETY, LIKE HOUSING AND MENTAL HEALTH? UM, AND AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT, THAT THERE'S A VARIETY OF, OF, OF WAYS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, AN OFFICERS FACING, UH, FACING, UH, CONSEQUENCES FOR MISCONDUCT. 
          UH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU AGAIN, CHIEF, UH, AS YOU, AS YOU LAID IT OUT, UH, THAT THOSE CONSEQUENCES FOR MISCONDUCT MUST BE CERTAIN AND FINAL. 
          UH, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE, UH, FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. 
          AND, AND, AND WE'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT ARE THE TERMS, UH, UH, WHAT IS THE 
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PROCESS FOR SELECTING A NEW APPOINTEE? WHY IS THERE AN AGE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS COMMISSION? UH, AND DO WE HAVE SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS FOR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? NOT, UH, UH, AND OF COURSE, IS THIS AGE REQUIREMENT, UM, STATE LAW, UM, CAN COUNT, CAN COUNCIL ADVOCATE FOR THE ADDITION OF MORE SEATS ON THIS COMMISSION? UH, I, I THINK YOU ALSO POINTED OUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GROUP. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR GROUP. 
          AND OF COURSE, LASTLY, DO WE TRACK, UH, THE DATA ON THESE COMMISSIONS DECISIONS RELATED TO DISCIPLINARY ISSUES LIKE REINSTATEMENT AND SUSPENSIONS ARE, ARE THOSE PUBLIC, UH, WHAT CAN BE PUBLICLY PRODUCED? UH, ALSO AUSTIN'S RESOLUTION TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD, UH, FOR ADOPTION, AUSTIN, UH, TOOK THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS TO FORMULATE A RESOLUTION THAT, UH, THEY WILL BE VOTING ON, I BELIEVE TOMORROW. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, THIS RESOLUTION TO, UH, POTENTIALLY SEE WHAT WHAT FITS OUR CITY SPECIFICALLY, UH, FOR SAN ANTONIO. 
          UH, THEY TALKED ABOUT IS STRICTLY, STRICTLY LIMIT THE USE OF LETHAL FORCE, END OF USE, OF TEAR GAS, STRICTLY LIMIT THE USE OF DANGEROUS WEAPONRY, THE PRACTICE OF PURCHASING AND USING MILITARY EQUIPMENT LIMIT, UH, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS AND END INVASIVE USE, UH, BY POLICE, UH, OF FACIAL RECOGNITION TECH. 
          UH, DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO COMPLETE CRITICAL EQUITY MEASUREMENTS AND REFORMS, UH, ENSURE THAT PEOPLE LEAVING PRISON AND TRYING TO SUCCESSFULLY REINTEGRATE INTO OUR CITY HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING, EDUCATION, AND JOB TRAINING. 
          AND THEN I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ASK US TO BE THINKING ABOUT, UM, HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE USING OUR BUDGET, HOW WE'RE FUNDING, UH, OUR POLICE, I, I THINK THAT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS FOR US TO BE THINKING ABOUT, UH, EV EVERYTHING THAT WE THINK ABOUT IS, IS REALLY, UH, FOCUSED ON WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW WE CAN MEET THOSE NEEDS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD EARLIER, AND WE SAY IT A LOT WHEN WE SAY THAT, UH, OUR, OUR LIBRARIES, OUR PARKS ARE SO, SO IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE. 
          BUT IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THAT WAY. 
          IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THAT WAY, AND NOT JUST IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY, UH, SPEAKING, IT, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS ANDREW CARNEGIE WHO, WHO COINED THE TERM, UH, LIBRARIES ARE PALACES FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          AND, AND WITHOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ESTABLISH A, A REALLY GOOD SOCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND SO, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT A NEW, UH, POLICE SUBSTATION. 
          AND AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE VOTERS FOR THE 2017 BOMB THAT GOT THIS GOING, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH MARIA V. GOMEZ, UH, ERIC, UM, RAZZI HUI AND, AND GOPI OVER, UH, WHO'S OUR CITY ARCHITECT, TO HELP ESTABLISH SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY IS, IS, IS LOOKING AT, UH, THESE KINDS OF EFFORTS AND SEEING IF WE CAN'T BE, UH, MORE PURPOSEFUL AND THOUGHTFUL IN TERMS OF HOW THESE, HOW THESE, HOW, WHEN WE REALLY MEAN WHAT WE SAY ABOUT STRUCTURAL CHANGE, WE DEMONSTRATE IT. 
          AND THESE SPACES ARE IMPORTANT, UH, AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT IN COMMUNITY CARE. 
          UH, WE CAN REIMAGINE THESE INSTITUTIONS AND CHALLENGE DIFFERENT WAYS OF THINKING WITH GESTURES, CENTERING THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AND THAT CAN START WITH OUR PUBLIC SPACES, OUR PUBLIC BUILDINGS, UH, THAT INCLUDE, UH, PUBLIC ARTS THAT INCLUDE, UH, AN AMAZING, UH, ABILITY TO INCLUDE, UH, SO MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY SO THAT COMMUNITY SPACES. 
          AND, UH, AND SO AGAIN, THE, THE ONLY REQUEST I REALLY HAVE REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, ERIC, IS THAT WE REALLY, UH, STEP AWAY FROM USING THE DESIGN BUILD, DESIGN BUILD CONTRACT, WHICH EMPOWERS CONTRACTORS OVER THE ARCHITECT AND GO UTILIZE THE DESIGN BID, BUILD CONTRACT SO THAT ARCHITECTS CAN FOCUS ON THE DESIGN, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, FIND A WAY TO BE MORE CREATIVE ABOUT, UH, CREATING, UH, SOME, SOME OF THESE SPACES AS ANDREW CARNEGIE HELPED COIN WHEN IT CAME TO, TO OUR PUBLIC LIBRARIES, THAT THESE ARE, UH, SPACES FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          AND, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO, TO DEMONSTRATE, UH, A LOT OF THIS EFFORT AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. 
          UM, AND, AND ERIC, UH, CHIEF, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT IN WRITING. 
          I, I ASK THAT YOU SEND THAT, UH, SEND THAT TO COUNCIL, BUT ALSO, UM, UH, PROVIDE THAT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AS WELL. 
          UH, YES, SIR. 
          WE'LL GO NOW TO, UH, OKAY. 
          WE'LL GO NOW TO, 
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UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREWS SULLIVAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, LEMME START OFF BY SAYING THIS IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICE BRUTAL OUT. 
          THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE ARE STILL NOT ADDRESSING IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION. 
          AT THE HANDS OF POLICE, MANY AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED. 
          I COMPLIMENT COUNCILMAN TIGN FOR BRINGING UP THE RESOLUTION, WHICH I HAVE SUBMITTED A RESOLUTION OVER TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM OF INJUSTICE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT CODES THAT WERE ENFORCED BACK IN 1866 CALLED BLACK CODES, WHICH GOVERNED OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT A LAW THAT WAS VOTED IN 1947 AND 1974 BEFORE MY MOTHER OR I WERE EVEN BORN. 
          IT IS OUR DUTY AND OUR RIGHT AS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO STEP UP AND ASK FOR REPEAL IF WE REALLY WANNA SEE CHANGES. 
          A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I'M SEEING, AND I'M HEARING ARE GREAT, AND THEY LOOK GOOD ON PAPER, BUT THEY STILL DO NOT PRODUCE THE ACTION THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR. 
          WAITING A MONTH TO DO SOMETHING IS WAY TOO LONG. 
          I PROPOSE THAT WE PUT INTO EFFECT AS OF THIS TIME, ANYTHING THAT HAS A LOOPHOLE OR AN EXCEPTION THAT NEEDS TO BE CALLED INTO ORDER. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, AND IT SHOULD BE CALLED. 
          SO, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE EPIDEMIOLOGISTS THAT FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON RACIAL INJUSTICE. 
          AND THE EMPHASIS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION IS THE FIRST STEP IN ENSURING THAT OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND OUR POLICE PROCESSES ARE REALLY BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT I, THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CONTINUE VOICES HEARD, AND TO GO TO ENSURING THAT THIS PETITION TO REPEAL THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE PRIOR TO ANY OF US BEING ALIVE. 
          NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO HAVE MY QUESTIONS, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PROCEDURE 5 0 1, WHEN IT COMES TO USE OF FORCE. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OFFICER HAS CONSIDERATION TO, TO REALIZE WHAT USE OF FORCE SHOULD BE. 
          BUT ONE THING I DO NOT SEE UNDER THIS LIST IS HOW AN OFFICER RESPONDS TO MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, OR A SUSPECT THAT HAS A HISTORY OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THE IMPLEMENTATION AND REINFORCEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY RELATION COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDED THE BLACK LIVES MATTER, THAT INCLUDED THE CHURCHES, THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THE ACTIVISTS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS. 
          WE ARE NOW BEING CALLED TO ACTION, AND NO LONGER CAN WE TALK ABOUT IT, AND A MONTH'S WORTH OF TALKING ABOUT IT IS ANOTHER DEATH THAT WE'RE WAITING TO SEE HAPPEN. 
          I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS INFORMATION TO ME, MARIA AND LIZ. 
          AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE OF HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN SERVING, UNDER THIS SAME REGULATION, OFFICERS SHOULD GO THROUGH COMMUNITY TRAINING AND INTEGRATION WITH ALL COMMUNITY LEADERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY GO THROUGH PRIOR PATROLLING ISSUES. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF ANY LIZ, MARIA, ERIC, WHO CAN PUT FORTH THIS PETITION TO HAVE THE PROCESSES OF 1947 AND 1974 CHANGE. 
          ANDY, DO YOU WANT TO DO, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? WE'VE GOT A BACKUP SLIDE IF YOU WANT TO PULL UP. 
          ANDY. 
          ANDY, YOU'RE ON MUTE. 
          I SEE LIZ ON THE SCREEN. 
          I, I, LIZ, YOU'RE . 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS ON MUTE. 
          UM, YES. 
          UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, UH, LIZ POINTED OUT THAT THE CITY'S ADOPTED THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ADOPTED RESPECTIVELY, UH, CHAPTER 1 43 AND 1 74, UM, BY VOTE OF THE CITY. 
          AND SO, UH, UNDER THOSE STATUTES, UNDER STATE LAW, THERE'S A WAY TO REPEAL THEM AS WELL. 
          AND WE HAVE SOME, UH, BACKUP SLIDES IF, IF JOHN CAN PUT THOSE UP THAT TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN REPEAL THOSE. 
          UH, ESSENTIALLY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS THEY CAN BE REPEALED BY PETITION. 
          SO LET'S START WITH SECTION 1 43, WHICH IS TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES. 
          UH, THAT CAN BE, UH, A PETITION WITH AT LEAST 10%, UH, OF THE QUALIFIED VOTERS, UH, SIGNATURES. 
          AND, UH, TAKING A CALCULATION OF WHAT REGISTERED VOTERS WE HAD AS OF THE MAY, 2019 ELECTION, THAT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 78,000, UH, SIGNATURES THAT 
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NEED TO BE VERIFIED BY THE CLERK. 
          IF THEY ARE VERIFIED BY THE CLERK, THEN THAT WILL BE PUT ON A, UH, A VOTE TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF REPEAL OF 1 43. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, JOHN, WITH RESPECT TO 1 74, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          UNDER 1 74, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN PUT THAT, UH, ON A, UH, BALLOT ONCE A PETITION IS RECEIVED WITH EITHER IT'S EITHER 20,000 SIGNATURES OR 5% OF THE NUMBER OF QUALIFIED VOTERS WHO VOTED IN THE PRECEDING GENERAL ELECTION. 
          UH, SO WE DID THE MATH ON THAT COUNCILWOMAN, AND, AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER. 
          SO IT'S EITHER 20,000 SIGNATURES, AGAIN, CERTIFIED BY THE CLERK, OR 19,337 SIGNATURES, AGAIN, CERTIFIED BY THE CLERK. 
          AND, UH, IF THEY ARE, UH, CERTIFIED BY THE CLERK, THEY'LL BE, THEY CAN BE PUT ON THE BALLOT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY OF SAN ANTONIO NEEDED TO KNOW HOW WE CAN DO AND MAKE THESE CHANGES AS A WHOLE. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY WITHIN THE INVESTIGATIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, HOW ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THAT? UM, CHIEF COUNCIL COUNCILMAN, WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO BEING TOTALLY TRANSPARENT. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE DIRECTLY REFERRING TO, UH, ABOUT THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AFTER THIS TO, TO DIG FURTHER INTO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY AFRICAN AMERICANS SERVE, UM, WITHIN INTERNAL AFFAIRS? YEAH. 
          WELL, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, WHAT IS THE MATRIX, UM, THAT IS PROVIDED, OR THE DATA THAT IS PROVIDED IN RELATION TO, UH, THE OUTCOMES ON HOW THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS GOING? CHIEF, I'M SORRY. 
          REPEAT THAT. 
          COUNCILWOMAN, I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION. 
          THE MATRIX OF THE DATA IN IONS TO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, DO WE HAVE THE DATA THAT BACKS UP WHAT WE'RE LOOKING LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY OUTREACH? WE KEEP A BUNCH OF DATA. 
          WE'LL, WE CAN SEND YES, MA'AM. 
          WE, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND, AND WE WILL, WE'LL SEND THAT TO YOU DIRECTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO THE EXTENDING AND CONTINUOUS OFFICER TRAINING ON CULTURAL, RACIAL, DEESCALATION, MENTAL HEALTH, AND PROPER USE OF A WEAPON, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE A, ON A BASIS OF A YEARLY, UM, SYNOPSIS TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE, UM, AS AN OFFICER MENTALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE RACIAL INEQUITIES THAT WE HAVE SEEN ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT I ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES AND 24 SECONDS LEFT, BUT ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I, I HAVE IN RELATION TO, UM, HOW MANY OFFICERS, UM, HAVE BEEN PUSHED ASIDE OR KIND OF SHUNNED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TRIED TO INTERVENE. 
          WHERE'S THEIR SAFE PLACE WHEN IT COMES TO LOOKING AT THE RANKING OFFICERS THAT THEY CAN GO TO? HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE OFFICERS THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT, LOOK LIKE THAT THEY CAN GO TALK TO WITHIN A SAFE PLACE? I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE DIVERSITY AND MORE TRANSPARENCY WHEN IT COMES TO EVEN THE COMMUNITY SPEAKING TO OFFICERS THAT LOOK LIKE THEM WHEN A INCIDENT OCCURS. 
          AT THIS TIME, MAYOR, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE MANY MORE QUESTIONS, I DO CALL FOR US TO TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY. 
          I DO CALL FOR US TO PUT THE RESOLUTION IN PLACE. 
          I DO CALL FOR US TO DECLARE THIS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, AND I DO CALL FOR OF THAT EXTENDED AND IMMEDIATE TRAINING TO BEGIN IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE DIVERSITY WITHIN OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. 
          AND, AND JUST A REMINDER TO FOLKS IF, UH, ON THE SECOND PASS, UH, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AFTER FOLKS HAVE SP SPOKEN, UM, DO GO AHEAD AND LET ME KNOW AND I'LL PUT YOU BACK IN THE QUEUE. 
          WE'LL GO NOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER GRA. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, THANK YOU, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN FOR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS. 
          I APPRECIATE THEM. 
          AND I THINK I WANNA GO, UH, A LITTLE FURTHER ON THAT. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, I KNOW, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, BUT ALSO, UM, KIND OF, UH, VETTED AND RESEARCH ON OUR, UH, POLICE OFFICERS. 
          ONE OF THE PETITIONS THAT WE GOT LAST THURSDAY, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT STUCK OUT TO ME THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, UH, CONTINUE. 
          ONE, IF WE CAN IMPLEMENT NOW OR TWO, IF WE CAN DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, ONE IS THAT WE, THE PEOPLE ASSET OF ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY BE ISSUED ON RACISM 
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AND DISCRIMINATION IN ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, JAILS AND COURTHOUSES. 
          I WOULD ALSO PUT DOMESTIC ABUSE IN THERE THAT THERE WOULD BE A ZERO, UM, ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY. 
          AND ALSO THAT WE WOULD ASK THAT THE CURRENT AND FUTURE RECRUITS BE VETTED AND POLYGRAPHED FOR RACIST IDEOLOGY AND DISCRIMINATION. 
          UM, WITH THAT, I WOULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT OUR NEW RECRUITS, I WOULD SAY ABOUT OUR CURRENT MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE FORCE, THAT IT WOULDN'T JUST BE, UM, ON A, UM, ANNUAL BASIS, BUT THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 
          AND I KNOW SOME OF YOUR, THE DOCUMENTS AND, AND I, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS MENTAL HEALTH AND, UM, OFFICER CARES, ET CETERA, AND THAT THEY CAN REACH OUT WHEN THEY WANT TO OR IF THEY, UM, FEEL THE NEED TO. 
          BUT I THINK IF MAYBE ANOTHER, IF ANOTHER OFFICER THINKS THAT EVEN WHEN WE'RE HAVING AN INTERVENE POLICY, THIS INTERVENE POLICY NEEDS TO BE, IF ANOTHER OFFICER BELIEVES THAT SOMEBODY HAS, UM, RACIST TENDENCIES OR IDEOLOGIES THAT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF JUST KEEPING, UM, EACH OTHER IN CHECK. 
          AND WE ARE EACH OTHER'S, UM, KEEPER. 
          UM, NEXT I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE. 
          AND LIZ, IN SOME OF YOUR, IN, IN THE SLIDE YOU MENTIONED USE OF FORCE, AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME EXPLANATION OF WHAT USE OF FORCE USE OF FORCE WAS. 
          UM, I DID WANT TO ASK, I THINK IT WAS SLIDE 20, UM, IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT USE OF FORCE AND WHAT DOES THAT LEGALLY MEAN? I, I THINK IF YOU SAID IT BEFORE, I NEED YOU TO, TO SHARE IT AGAIN. 
          WHAT DOES THE LEGAL TERM OF OR USE OF FORCE MEAN? IS THERE A LEGAL DEFINITION? AND I THINK COUNSEL, AND THIS IS LIZ MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I THINK CHIEF HAD COVERED THE USE OF FORCE, UM, BOTH IN THE STATISTICS THAT WERE REPORTED IN HIS BAR CHARTS AS WELL AS MM-HMM. 
           WHEN FORCE USED, HOW THAT'S CAPTURED IN REPORT. 
          SO WE CAN GO TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE CHARTS. 
          UH, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN, THIS IS, UH, ANDY. 
          YEAH, UNLESS YOUR QUESTION WAS, DID YOU WANT A LEGAL DEFINITION OF WHAT? EXCESSIVE FORCES, SO MY QUESTION IS IN THAT EIGHT CAN'T WAIT POLICY, IT SAYS, REQUIRE ALL USE OF FORCE TO BE REPORTED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, WHAT IS THAT ALL USE OF FORCE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? SO, THATAM, THIS IS CHIEF, SO ANYTIME AN OFFICER USES FORCE OTHER THAN OPEN HAND CONTROL, IT HAS TO BE REPORTED ON A USE OF FORCE REPORT. 
          OPEN HAND CONTROL IS REPORTED IN THE NARRATIVE OF THE REPORT THAT THE OFFICER WRITES ABOUT THE OFFENSE OR THE EVENT THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE HANDLING. 
          AND, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE LAW FOR, UM, USE OF FORCE IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE OFFICER'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          AND, AND THAT, AND THAT FORCE IS BASED ON REASONABLENESS STANDARD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. 
          OH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE S A P D POLICY ON NO-KNOCK WARRANTS BEING ISSUED, HAVE THEY INCREASED OR DECREASED OVER TIME? MA'AM, I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE, UM, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS HAVE DECREASED OVER TIME. 
          AND THE ONLY TIME THAT WE USE, UM, WE PRETTY MUCH ABANDONED NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR THE REASON, UH, THAT EVIDENCE MIGHT BE DESTROYED BY THE TIME THEY, THEY GET THROUGH THE DOOR. 
          WE PRETTY MUCH ABANDONED THAT. 
          THE ONLY TIME WE USE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS NOW IS PRIMARILY FOR OFFICER'S SAFETY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO, UH, CONTINUE ON OUR PSYCHIATRIC SERVICES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALSO ABOUT TRAINING AND RETRAINING WHEN IT COMES TO IMPLICIT BIAS AND IMPLICIT BIAS, AND NOT JUST ON A ANNUAL BASIS, BUT EVEN A QUARTER OR, UM, TWICE A YEAR BASIS SO WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. 
          UM, AND, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, INCLUSIVE AND, UH, TRAINING ISN'T ENOUGH. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE IN A MOMENT IN HISTORY WHERE WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE, INCLUDING THAT THIS IS THE CONVERSATION THAT THE C B A CONVERSATION IS COMING UP IN 20, EARLY 2021, AND THAT WE'RE HAVING A BUDGET CONVERSATION COMING UP SOON. 
          UM, THIS, THIS COMING, UH, TWO MONTHS. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE 
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IS YOUR USE OF FORCE AND WHY DID YOU USE WOODEN, UH, PELLETS AND RUBBER BULLETS, UH, TO THE PROTESTORS? AND, UH, ONE, WHY DID YOU DO IT? AND WHERE IN OUR MANUAL DOES IT SAY THAT IF IT'S A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, UM, THAT YOU WOULD USE THIS? AND I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO ANSWER, BUT LET ME TELL YOU, MY CONCERN IS WHAT WE SAW, UH, ONE THAT YOU WERE USING IT AGAINST SAN ANTONIANS WHO WERE DEMONSTRATING, UM, USING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. 
          BUT THEN NUMBER TWO, THAT WHAT WE SAW IN AUSTIN, THAT YOUNG MAN WHO WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD WITH A RUBBER BULLET. 
          UM, AND NOW, UH, IT, IT'S JUST A TRAGIC, UM, TRAGIC SITUATION. 
          SO PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, UM, WHY AND WHERE IN THE MANUAL IS IT TAUGHT TO, TO USE THOSE, UH, COMPONENTS? UH, YES, MA'AM. 
          LET, LET, LET ME, UH, LET ME TRY AND, UH, SORT THROUGH THE QUESTION. 
          SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, UM, UH, MUNITIONS WERE USED TO DISPERSE THE CROWD, UM, BOTH SATURDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY NIGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS PROPERTY DESTRUCTION AND OFFICERS WERE BEING, UH, PELTED WITH BOTTLES AND BRICKS. 
          UM, NUMBER TWO, THE, UM, UM, THE MUNITIONS THAT WERE USED ARE, ARE STANDARD, UH, CROWD DISPERSAL, UH, MUNITIONS. 
          AND IF, IF THOSE WEAPONS ARE USED, IF THOSE MUNITIONS ARE USED, UH, ACCORDING TO DIRECTIONS, IF YOU WILL, UH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FIRED AT A CERTAIN, UH, DISTANCE IF THEY ARE THEY, AND AT A CERTAIN THERE, THEY'RE, UH, REQUIRED TO BE FIRED BELOW THE WAIST. 
          AND IF THEY ARE, UH, THEY WON'T CAUSE THAT DAMAGE THAT WE SAW, THOSE TYPES OF INJURIES WE SAW IN AUSTIN. 
          UM, UH, THE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION EARLIER, AND I, I FORGOT, WAS THAT, UM, GOING FORWARD AFTER SPEAKING WITH, UM, MEETING WITH, UH, ERIC AND MARIA, UH, THEY, THE IF, UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO USE 'EM AGAIN, BUT IF IN FACT THEY ARE, UH, THEN, THEN THE ORDER TO USE THOSE WEAPONS, THE INSTRUCTION TO USE THOSE WEAPONS HAS TO COME FROM ME DIRECTLY. 
          SO, UM, UH, THE MANUAL, UM, OUR GENERAL MANUAL, UH, ALLOWS FOR THE, FOR THE USE OF THESE MUNITIONS IN CER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SO I, I, I HOPE I ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, YES, AND I'M, I'M, UM, ASKING THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE TO REVIEW THAT IN OUR POLICIES AND AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. 
          UM, THEN WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT MARIA. 
          UH, WELL, ONE, WE KNOW THAT WHERE WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, AND WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THAT CONSTRAINT FALLS WITHIN THE STATE. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT WE AS AN I G R AND START FORMULATING OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT AS PART OF, UM, THE CON WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I KNOW WHEN FY 2015 PUBLIC SAFETY WAS ABOUT 66% OF OUR BUDGET, AND THAT WAS BOTH POLICE AND FIRE, THAT'S ABOUT $691 MILLION. 
          UM, AND FY 2019 63%, THAT WAS $794 MILLION IN PUBLIC SAFETY ALTOGETHER THERE. 
          UH, I'D ALSO, MARIA, OR, OR CHIEF, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION OF HOW MUCH OF THAT 794 WAS FROM GRANTS OUTSIDE, OR IF THAT WAS JUST ENTIRELY GENERAL FUND DOLLARS. 
          THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT YOU, UM, HIGHLIGHTED HERE, CHIEF, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU CAN SEND TO ME HOW MANY, HOW MUCH DOLLARS WERE DESIGNATED TO EACH OF THOSE AREAS WITHIN THE POLICE BUDGET. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN JUST THE EQUITY AND GENDER DIVERSITY TRAINING. 
          AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN THAT. 
          AND, UM, YOU FEEL VERY POWERFUL, UH, ABOUT CHANGING ARTICLE 28 AND 29. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU GOING UP TO AUSTIN TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND SPEAKING UP COMMITTEE, UM, TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          BUT MAYOR, UM, IF I NEED TO CHIME BACK IN, I WILL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, UH, MAYOR, MAY I, MAY I ADDRESS, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S? UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD, CHIEF. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING OR TWO THINGS, ACTUALLY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THIS, THIS CLIMATE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, 
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BUT, BUT REALLY FOCUS ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP, UM, BECAUSE OF THE MINNEAPOLIS, UH, KILLING OF, UH, MR. FLOYD. 
          BUT IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK AT OUR, OUR POLICIES AS THEY'VE BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS EVENT, AND MAYBE, UM, DO SOME REAL DIGGING IN AND THINK OUT OF THE BOX ON HOW WE, HOW WE CHANGE 'EM TO, UH, BETTER BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, BETTER BENEFIT US, UH, SO WE, WE DON'T GET IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION AGAIN. 
          AND, AND THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS, ARE JUST NOW STARTING TO CHANGE POLICIES THAT TO, TO WHAT WE'VE HAD IN EFFECT FOR YEARS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO, TO MENTION THAT. 
          BUT WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, UM, GOING TO AUSTIN AND, AND, AND PUSHING THE CHANGES THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE CONTRACTUALLY IN, IN ARTICLE 28 AND 29. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, GRO AND, AND, AND CHIEF, I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE BACK ON SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          UH, PRIOR TO TODAY, UM, THE, UH, USE OF A CROWD DISPERSAL, UH, WAS DONE ON THE LINE. 
          IT WILL BE GOING DIRECTLY FROM YOU STARTING NOW. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH, UH, MARIA AND ERIC, UH, YESTERDAY. 
          AND, UM, I THINK WE HAD A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, SOME OF, UH, A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT TODAY AS WELL. 
          BUT YES, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT, UM, I MEAN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT AT EVERY LEVEL ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          SO THAT IS A WELCOME CHANGE. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ROCHA GARCIA. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          I ALSO WANT TO AGREE WITH, UM, MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILWOMAN VIA GRANT. 
          AND AS YOU ALL HEARD LAST WEEK, I ALSO MENTIONED MY CONCERN, UH, FOR ALLOWING RECRUITMENT OF FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN PERPETRATORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. 
          SO, UM, I, I, I ECHO HER THERE. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN LONG OVERDUE, AND OUR RESIDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE THEIR FRUSTRATIONS AND CALL US OUT WHEN THEY SEE THESE INJUSTICES. 
          UM, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL TRAGEDIES ARE AT OUR DOORSTEP, UH, TO ADDRESS THE TRUTH THAT WE KNOW ARE APPARENT, UM, AND THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, MAKE US UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE ORGANIZERS WHO HAVE LED PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AS WELL. 
          I SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, UH, SAFE OFFICER VINCENT TRISTAN, UH, FROM THE SOUTH SUBSTATION WHO WAS INJURED AND RECEIVED SEVERAL STITCHES. 
          UM, I SENT HIM SOME COOKIES AND I HOPE HE ENJOYED THEM AND, AND WE WISH HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, SOME WHO WERE HURT IN THE LINE OF DUTY, LIKE SCOTT BALL OF THE REVARD REPORT, AND BOB BOWEN OF THE EXPRESS NEWS AND EMILY EATON OF SPECTRUM NEWS. 
          AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO T P R FOR GIVING JOEY PALACIOS EQUIPMENT TO PROTECT HIMSELF, BUT I'M VERY SAD THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO DO IT. 
          AND WHEN I SAW THAT POST AND WHAT THAT PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT LOOKS LIKE, I WAS TERRIFIED, UM, THAT JOURNALISTS HAVE TO, UH, USE THAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT NOW, OR RESORTING, OR JOURNALISTS ARE HAVING TO RESORT TO THAT. 
          PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITIES IS A CONTINUOUS PROCESS THAT MERITS OUR TIME AND COMMITMENT TO ENGAGE WITH VERY, UH, WITH THE VERY RESIDENTS THAT ELECT US. 
          UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY ARE KEY, AND WE SHOULD QUESTION WHY THE INFORMATION THAT SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE ASKED FOR IS NOT SO READILY AVAILABLE. 
          WE HAVE THAT EXPECTATION FROM OUR RESIDENTS, AND WE HAVE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, SERVE THEM AND THAT WE, UM, UH, ENGAGE WITH THEM AND PROVIDE CLARITY. 
          AND THEN ALSO, AS IMPORTANTLY, IS TO LISTEN. 
          SO I'M SO GLAD THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION IS GOING TO, UH, UM, SORRY. 
          UH, COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HAVE THE LISTENING SESSIONS. 
          THE TOPICS, UH, ARE SO CRITICAL THAT I TOOK SOME TIME TO LOOK BACK AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THE C B A WAS LAST DISCUSSED, AND WHEN CHAPTER 1 74 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE WAS, UH, PASSED IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE, UH, LEGISLATURE, AND ADOPTED IN SAN ANTONIO ON DECEMBER THE 17TH OF 1974, UM, BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2016, THERE WAS 14 PEOPLE REGISTERED TO SPEAK, UH, OR WHO SUBMITTED TESTIMONY AID IN SUPPORT, AND SIX IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND MANY OF THEM EXPRESSED GRATITUDE FOR OUR WOMEN AND MEN IN UNIFORM. 
          AND SOME EVEN VOICED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND, AND TRANSPARENCY. 
          UM, BACK THEN, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS, MAYOR TAYLOR ANNOUNCED THE CREATION OF A WORKING GROUP ON COMMUNITY POLICE RELATIONSHIPS. 
          THIS WAS IN, IN 2016. 
          I TRIED TO FIND SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT BECAME OF THE GROUP, AND IT WASN'T EASY TO FIGURE OUT OR, UM, SEE WHAT CAME OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS. 
          I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS CONTROVERSY THAT'S SURROUNDED SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE THE FIRST 
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AND THIRD MEETINGS WERE CLOSED, AS I UNDERSTAND, TO THE MEDIA AND TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, AND WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES WHY MANY, AT THAT POINT, OPTED TO WITHDRAW AND NOT ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, BECAUSE THE LESSONS THAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT ATTEMPT WILL HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENGAGEMENT OF OUR CITIZENS. 
          NOW, EXPERIENCES LIKE THESE, UM, THAT THAT HAPPENED WITH THAT, UH, CREATE THE MISTRUST AND UNWILLINGNESS PERHAPS, OF OUR RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE AND BELIEVE IN THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO LISTEN THIS TIME? WHAT MAKES THIS TIME ANY DIFFERENT THAN IN THE PAST? UH, OUR RELUCTANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR AS A COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION MIGHT BE WELL-FOUNDED BECAUSE THERE WAS, UM, NOT ENOUGH, I THINK TRANSPARENCY, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES AND REALLY LISTEN TO AN ARRAY OF PERSPECTIVES, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME NEW VOICES ON COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO OUR FOLKS, BUT THERE'S NO EASY SOLUTION, AND NO ONE SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS IS GOING TO RAISE, ERASE THE PAST AND GUARANTEE US A MORE FAIR AND MORE JUST SOCIETY. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO CONFRONT, UM, THE INEQUITIES THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, BROUGHT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 
          BUT, UM, SOME OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES ON OUR DAYAS FIND OURSELVES, UH, WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS AND SOME PERHAPS DIFFERENTLY THAN BEFORE, IF THEY WERE HERE BEFORE. 
          UM, MY PREDECESSOR, RAY SALDANA CHAMPIONED THE NEED FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND ASKED SOME VERY TOUGH, UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS AT THE TIME. 
          HE NEVER INTENDED TO VILIFY OUR WOMEN AND MEN IN UNIFORM, AND HE SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE ONE OF THE TOP TOUGHEST JOBS IN AMERICA, BUT THERE SHOULD BE PROTOCOLS TO ENSURE THAT THAT BEHAVIOR IS NOT PROTECTED. 
          I AGREE THAT OUR WOMEN AND MEN IN UNIFORM HAVE SOME OF THE TOUGHEST JOBS, AND EVERY DAY THEY GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITIES WEARING A MULTITUDE OF HATS, UM, FROM SOCIAL WORKERS TO MEDIATORS TO PRO, UH, FIRST, UH, AID PROVIDERS TO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS AND CRISIS INTERVENERS AND FAMILY COUNSELORS AND, AND YOUTH MENTORS, JUST TO NAME A FEW OF THE ROLES. 
          WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR THEM, BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS EQUIP THEM WITH THE TRAINING AND PREPARATION TO FULFILL ALL THESE ROLES. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT NEGLECT TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, THAT ROOT ISSUE. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO, UH, MAYBE CONSIDER AND, AND, AND HAVE MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, UH, CONSIDER. 
          AND I DO WANT TO THANK, LIKE I SAID, CHIEF, FOR LOOKING INTO THE EQUITY AND GENDER DIVERSITY TRAINING. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT UNIVERSITIES AND, UM, I AM VERY FAMILIAR AS UNDERGRADUATE CURRICULUM CHAIR FOR, UM, OUR LADY OF THE LAKE UNIVERSITY WITH SOME OF THE CURRICULUM. 
          THERE'S A CERTIFICATE IN VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION, AND I KNOW THAT ST. 
          MARY'S UNIVERSITY ALSO HAS A CONFLICT TRANSFORMATION EXPERT, UM, ON THEIR, UH, FACULTY. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE FOLKS. 
          UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, COURSES THAT ARE OFFERED, UM, BOTH AT UTTERLY LIKE, AND AT ST. 
          MARY'S UNIVERSITY THAT I THINK THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DROP FROM. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, ADDRESSING THE CHARACTERISTICS OF WHY CRIME HAS EXISTED, SOME OF 'EM, UH, ADDRESS, UH, POLICE CULTURE AND WHY POLICE DEPARTMENTS WERE FORMED IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          UM, I TOO WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THAT CHAPTER, UH, 1 43, UM, THAT WE, UH, ABIDE BY WAS, UM, CREATED IN 1947. 
          IN FACT, I, I ASKED ERIC IF THAT WAS A, A TYPO BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS 1974, LIKE THE OTHER ONE. 
          UM, BUT I, I ASKED HIM NICELY IF THAT WAS A TYPO, AND IN FACT, IT WAS THE TRUTH. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO ASK SPECIFICALLY, UM, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMITTEE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY MAYOR TAYLOR? WHY DID IT GO AWAY, COUNCILWOMAN? UM, SO THERE WAS, UM, I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. 
          YOU THERE WAS, UH, SOME CONTROVERSY AT THE TIME BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND SO THERE WAS, AND, AND, AND THERE WAS A DEPARTURE OF INVOLVEMENT BECAUSE, UH, WHAT ENSUED WAS, UH, A CONVERSATION ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, A PUBLIC DISCOURSE, ABOUT, ABOUT THE ISSUES. 
          UM, AND, UM, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS HOW THAT PROCESS RAN. 
          UM, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS INITIATED BY MAYOR TAYLOR AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE, UH, THE COUNCIL ADOPTION OF THE, OF THE SETTLED, UH, THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY GET A, A VARIETY OF OPINIONS FROM THOSE THAT EITHER STUCK WITH THAT PROCESS OR THOSE THAT BOWED OUT AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, UM, ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IT. 
          UM, AND, AND 
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I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE STARTING THAT RIGHT NOW, UM, THEN, UH, MY, MY ADVICE WOULD BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOTTA DO ON THIS TOPIC NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND OPEN. 
          IT'S TOO IMPORTANT, AND IT AFFECTS THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY, UM, AND, AND PROBABLY IS NOT THE, THE RIGHT MODEL TO GO ABOUT. 
          THANK YOU, ERIC. 
          UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          I DID NOTICE AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THE, UM, OLD FOOTAGE THAT, UM, AND, AND I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE WAS, UH, SOME SPECIFIC GUIDELINES THAT WERE CREATED. 
          YOU MENTIONED, UH, THAT THERE WERE SEVEN PRIORITIES. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WERE PRIORITIZED, PRIORITIZED, BUT I SAW THAT IN 2014 THEY WERE ALL FISCAL, SO THEY ALL, UM, DEALT, ONE OF THEM WAS TO KEEP THE BUDGET UNDER 66%. 
          ANOTHER ONE WAS, UH, FOR OFFICERS TO CONTRIBUTE TO HEALTHCARE, AND ANOTHER ONE WAS TO MAINTAIN OUR AAA BOND RATING. 
          UM, SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SEVEN PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE OR WE WERE PRESENTED TODAY, IF WE TAKE THOSE UP AGAIN, HOW DO WE END UP WITH GUIDING PRINCIPLES? CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS? YEAH, WELL, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE READING FROM WERE THE, WERE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND YOU PROBABLY WILL RECALL SOME OF THOSE WE UTILIZED IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE ASSOCIATION TOO. 
          THOSE WERE THE, THE LARGER GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CITY PRIORITIES SOMETIMES GENERATED BY THE FIRE OR POLICE CHIEF, SOMETIMES GENERATED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, THE, THE MANAGER, UH, SOMETIMES GENERATED BY THE COUNCIL AS WE PREPARE FOR THE, THE, THE BEGINNING OF NEGOTIATIONS. 
          BUT ALL OF IT FALLS WITHIN GUIDING PRINCIPLES, MUCH LIKE THE COUNCIL DID LAST WEEK, UH, IN THE RECOVERY AND RESILIENCE PLAN IN THAT WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE BIG PIECES THAT WE WANT TO STAY WITHIN? BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A VARIETY OF TOPICS, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE PRIORITIES WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT. 
          YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE DOCUMENT, UH, THE AGREEMENT WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE POLICE OFFICERS, INCLUDES THINGS LIKE EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLE REPLACEMENT AND THINGS THAT YOU TYPICALLY, UH, PROBABLY ARE A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR, UH, A LABOR AGREEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS ERIC. 
          AND, AND MAYOR, IF I COULD SIGN UP FOR ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES, I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ROTE GARCIA, COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          AND SO, UM, LET ME JUST START, UM, BY, UM, YOU KNOW, ERIC, I HAD ASKED YOU IN THE, IN THE SESSION LAST TIME ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE, UM, DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH MAYOR TAYLOR. 
          AND, AND I HAD ASKED THEM TO BE PRESENTED IN COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO, UM, I HAD SOME OTHER REQUESTS COMING OUT OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO, AS I'VE JUST UNDERSTOOD HERE, THE FIRST COUPLE MEETINGS WILL BE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. 
          IS THAT, OR FOR LISTENING PURPOSES, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HAVING THOSE ISSUES DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE? OH, YOU ARE, YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, FROM THE, FROM THE MAYOR TAYLOR COMMISSION COUNCILWOMAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          I HAD ASKED FOR THERE TO BE A, AN UPDATE ON THAT AND PRESENTED IN COMMITTEE. 
          I HAD ALSO ASKED THAT THE COMMITTEE DISCUSS, UH, RECRUITING PRACTICES, UH, AND, UH, HAD ASKED A COUPLE OF THINGS OTHER, UH, THERE WAS, I THINK ONE OTHER ITEM THAT I REQUESTED FROM THE COMMITTEE, BUT, UM, I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HDA HAS FULL DISCRETION TO DECIDE WHAT SHE WANTS TO BE PRESENTED IN HER COMMITTEE. 
          SHE DISCUSSED, UH, JUST NOW I'M LEARNING, UM, THAT THERE, THAT MIGHT BE THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD PORTION, BUT JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A CITIZENS TO BE HEARD PORTION ALREADY IN OUR, UM, UH, REGULAR, UM, WEEKLY SCHEDULE. 
          I HOPE THAT WE DON'T, UM, HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME FOR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD AND THEN NOT ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE. 
          SO, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT'S FOR COUNCILWOMAN, UM, TO DECIDE. 
          BUT THERE WERE SOME, UM, ITEMS THAT I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS THERE THAT HOPEFULLY CAN BE PRESENTED BACK TO THE COMMITTEE A BIT MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY AS A COUNCIL WOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA WAIT A LOT OF TIME, UH, TO MAKE DECISIONS, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FLUSHED THROUGH COMMITTEE. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNCILWOMAN HAVE, BUT IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT OR IF YOU'RE PREPARED OR NOT. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST I HEAR THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LISTENING SESSION DURING THE COMMITTEE PROCESS. 
          SURE. 
          UM, SO WE, WE HAVEN'T, I CONVENE, OF COURSE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN, UM, COMMITTEE FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW. 
          SO NOW THAT THE MAYOR'S RECONSTITUTED PUBLIC SAFETY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS. 
          BUT I'M, I'M TAKING THIS AS KIND OF AN ASIDE, AND, UM, THE FIRST THREE ARE GONNA BE WITHIN A WEEK. 
          SO THEY'RE REALLY JUST, THIS IS ONE WEEK THAT WE REALLY WANNA TAKE IT AND LISTEN, AND THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL MOVE FORWARD AS, UM, I GUESS MORE TRADITIONAL ONES WHERE WE'RE HEARING A PRESENTATION AND, 
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AND ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          BUT THEY'LL ALSO HAVE PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          'CAUSE I DO, UH, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME, DISCUSS SOME COMMITTEES, BUT I DID ASK THAT, UH, ERIC, IF, IF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THOSE COULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE, UH, I, UM, THERE WERE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, THAT, UM, BECAUSE SHE, SHE WASN'T REELECTED, NEVER DID GET IMPLEMENTED. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, UH, THAT I HAD, UM, UH, CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM HERE ON OUT, THAT YOU HAVE, UH, THAT, UM, THAT RUBBER BULLETS OR TEAR GAS WON'T BE USED WITHOUT YOUR, UM, LIKE EXCLUSIVE PERMISSION. 
          AND SO WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE TO THEN ALSO MAKE THESE OTHER CHANGES, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING BEFORE? COULDN'T YOU THEN ALSO UNILATERALLY DECIDE, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DISCUSSING SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE MORE INTIMATE, LIKE CHOKE HOLDS, BUT, UH, OR WHEN A, UH, AUTOMOBILE IS MOVING, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY REQUESTED THAT SEEM LIKE YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE AS WELL. 
          UM, CAN YOU ADDRESS LIKE WHAT, WHEN YOU CAN ENFORCE THAT AND WHEN YOU CANNOT? WELL, I, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M THE, THE POLICE CHIEF WHEN I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, BUT I WOULD NOT DO THEM IN A VACUUM. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH STAFF, UM, LEGAL AND OF COURSE, UH, UH, MY BOSS, UH, UM, MARIA V. GOMEZ. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE, BECAUSE I SUSPECT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT PERHAPS YOU CAN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE YOURSELF WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO INVOLVE THE UNION. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT PERHAPS WE COULD DISCUSS, UH, AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL. 
          UM, SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, THAT I HAD, UM, ALSO OUR REGARDING, UM, SO CHIEF, OVER THE YEARS, I'VE JUST, I'VE DISCUSSED WITH YOU SOME COMPLAINTS FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT ACTIVITY ON POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE NOT ON DUTY. 
          UM, WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE, UM, TO IMPLEMENT SORT OF, UH, UM, I GUESS PENALTIES IF OFFICERS ARE NOT ON DUTY OR, OR DO NOT HAVE THAT AT ALL? REPHRASE, COUNCIL MEMBER, IF, IF, UH, IF A, AN OFFICER IS INVOLVED IN MISCONDUCT, ON OR OFF DUTY, THAT COMES WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, SO WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE ARE, THERE ARE MANY INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE IN THAT, THAT GO TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS WHERE THE CONDUCT HAS BEEN OFF DUTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, AND DO THE SAME RULES APPLY FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IF THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OFF DUTY? YES, MA'AM. 
          THEY DO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION, UM, THAT I HAVE, UM, I DID ASK MY STAFF TO DO SOME INVESTIGATION THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE SOME CONFIRMATION FROM OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. 
          DOES THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAVE TO BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER? YES. 
          COUNCILWOMAN, THIS IS LIZ. 
          YES. 
          HE, HE, HE OR SHE DOES HAVE TO BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO IS THAT PER STATE LAW OR WHAT? UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STATE DICTATES THAT, YES, MA'AM. 
          STATE LAW. 
          O OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WE ALSO, UH, THERE WAS, UH, SOME, UM, UH, I GUESS LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT ALSO OUR HEALTH DIRECTOR HAD TO BE, UH, A OFFICE, A, UH, MEDICAL, UH, DOCTOR. 
          AND THEN WE CHANGED THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS AN INTERNAL DECISION, UH, COUNCILWOMAN THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, I BELIEVE A CHANGE TO THE CITY CHARTER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, I, I JUST AS, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION OF THE FUTURE OF OUR, UH, POLICING AND POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, UM, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, ERIC AND, AND OTHERS ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, AND IF WE REALLY WANTED A DIFFERENT OUTCOME IN THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, THEN WE HAD TO REALLY LOOK, TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT WHAT WERE THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR BEING, UM, UH, THE DIRECTOR. 
          IN FACT, DID THAT INCLUDE HAVING A CI CIVIL ENGINEERING DEGREE, OR DID THAT DIRECTOR HAVE TO BE A, UM, A UH, UH, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER? AND SO IF THE CHIEF HAS TO BE A POLICE INFORM, UH, OFFICER, DO ALL OF THE DEPUTIES ALSO HAVE TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS? YES, MA'AM. 
          THEY'RE, IT'S REQUIRED YES. 
          EVERY, UH, EVERY, EVERY STEP OF THE, 
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UM, OF THE, I GUESS THE HIERARCHY. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO I GUESS WE, UM, AS WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR REAL REFORM, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT, UM, THE LEADERSHIP WORKS, UH, AND, AND THE DEPARTMENT, NOT SO UNLIKE WE DID WITH TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, IF WE WANT OUR LAW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFERS TO DO DIFFERENT DUTIES, UM, THEN PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND EXPERIENCES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT. 
          I KNOW A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ASKED, UH, ABOUT, UM, THE FUNDING. 
          AND, AND I ALSO AGREE MANY, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MORE FUNDING FOR DELEGATE AGENCIES. 
          UH, AND, AND PERHAPS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT HOMELESSNESS, CAN WE REDIRECT FUNDS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES FOR HOMELESSNESS, UH, TO SOCIAL SERVICES AGENCIES THAT ARE BETTER EQUIPPED TO DO THAT WORK? I HAD ASKED THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WHEN WE RECEIVED A GRANT, UM, NOT SO LONG AGO. 
          IT WAS A VERY LARGE GRANT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 
          I THINK IT WAS FOR 25 OFFICERS. 
          UMM, MARIA, I HAVE A FEELING THAT, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, UM, OR PERHAPS DR. 
          BRIDGER WAS, KNOWS WHAT WAS THE, THE, UM, DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THAT GRANT? UH, YES, COUNCILMAN, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, AN APPLICATION FOR A GRANT THAT WE TOOK TO CITY COUNCIL IN MARCH OF 2020, UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL A COPS GRANT WITH THE D D O J OFFICE, UH, FOR 25 POLICE OFFICERS TO BE DEDICATED TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, UM, THAT THE TOTAL VALUE OF THAT GRANT OVER, OVER THE THREE YEAR WINDOW, UM, IT'S ROUGHLY CLOSE TO $10 MILLION. 
          AND THEN THE MUNICIPALITY IF AWARDED, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, KEEP THOSE, UH, UM, POSITIONS FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          IT, IT IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. 
          AND THAT WAS, AND I THINK I ASKED THAT QUESTION AT THE TIME, DID THEY HAVE TO BE POLICE OFFICERS? COULD THEY BE IN A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT? AND SO I THINK THE ANSWER WAS THAT THEY DO HAVE TO BE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 
          YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          THE WOMAN THAT REQUIRES THAT THEY'RE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I, ERIC, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          I KNOW MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE ASKED AS WELL, AND IN FACT, I'LL LEAVE Y'ALL WITH THIS QUESTION. 
          I KNOW SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID THEY'LL TAKE THE ANSWER OFFLINE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, BECAUSE I SUSPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, MARIA, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, UH, HOW MANY ADDITIONAL GRANTS COME INTO THE DEPARTMENT, UM, RELATED TO, UH, THAT GOES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO DO WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, LIKE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, LIKE HOMELESSNESS, UM, LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, PERHAPS, UM, THERE ARE CODE ISSUES THAT END UP GOING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT DON'T PERHAPS NEED TO. 
          ERIC, YOU MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF EQUIPMENT, AND THAT'S COME UP A LOT. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN, UH, IN THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS OVER THE YEARS, UH, IS, IS THE EQUIPMENT. 
          AND, UM, AND SO, UH, WE KNOW THAT THE EQUIPMENT FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE VERY COSTLY. 
          UH, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, MARIA, BY THE TIME I COME BACK AROUND, YOU CAN GIVE US A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH ACTUALLY GOES INTO YOUR EQUIPMENT AS WELL. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THOSE ARE PER THE CONTRACT, UM, BUT, UH, UH, PER THE C B A, BUT OTHERS MAY NOT BE. 
          I THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST, UM, THINGS THAT WE GIVE TO POLICE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE WE, UH, WE, UM, UH, SUPPORT THEM SO HEAVILY. 
          UH, SO THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, SO I'LL TURN BACK IN IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL, CAN I JUMP IN? YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          JUST, JUST REAL QUICK AND, AND ON THE TOPIC THAT, THAT COUNCILMAN GONZALEZ BROUGHT UP, AND, AND SHE DID, UH, RAISE, UM, THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION FOR THAT GRANT, UM, AND, AND I'M GONNA, SINCE IT BROUGHT UP IT, IS THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT GRANT. 
          AND SO PART OF THE, THE NEXT DECISION, AND, AND, AND WE HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATING AS WE PREPARE FOR OUR BUDGET AND THE CONVERSATIONS LATER ON THE MONTH. 
          BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU ORIGINALLY RAISED COUNCILWOMAN AND YOU JUST RAISED RIGHT NOW, UM, IT IS, IT IS OFFICERS THAT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY UTILIZED ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CRIMES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECON TO, TO CONSIDER THAT. 
          AND IT GOES TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER THAT YOU'RE JUST BRINGING UP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IN, IN PAST, UM, THE PAST COUNSELS, UH, BEING AWARDED OFFICERS WAS, UM, WAS, WAS HERALDED, RIGHT? IT, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HELPED PAY FOR THE ADDITION OF, OF OFFICERS. 
          BUT THE 
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ISSUE, AND IT, IT GOES BEYOND JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IN THIS COUNTRY. 
          IT GOES BACK TO THE ISSUE YOU RAISED, UM, ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT MONEY. 
          IT IS, IT'S FEDERAL FUNDING OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD, IT WILL REQUIRE US TO MATCH FUNDING IN OUR BUDGET. 
          AND, UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING THE COUNCIL SOME ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE I SUSPECT THAT THERE WILL BE ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THAT'S A WISE INVESTMENT. 
          UH, GIVEN THE, THE QUESTIONS YOU RAISED, UH, AT THE INITIAL APPLICATION. 
          I WILL TELL YOU ALSO THAT, UH, GENERALLY THIS GRANT IS AWARDED IN THE SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME. 
          AND SO WE WERE SURPRISED THAT THEY, UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WAS ACCELERATING THE AWARD AND WE WERE JUST RECENTLY NOTIFIED. 
          AND I SUSPECT IT'LL BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION, AND I'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL, UH, ON THAT MATTER. 
          THANK YOU, ERIC. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA GO NOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL SEVEN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR, UH, VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UH, I WANNA THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. 
          I, I WOULD SAY THIS IS PERHAPS THE B SESSION THAT WE'VE MOST PREPARED FOR, AT LEAST IN, IN MY OFFICE, IN MY SHORT TIME ON COUNCIL. 
          AND I, UH, I AM ENJOYING VERY MUCH HEARING YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR QUESTIONS, AND I, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING SOME OF THOSE, UH, SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS. 
          I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC WHO'S TAKEN TO THE STREETS. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK THEM FOR BRINGING THIS ISSUE TO THE FOREFRONT, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO REALLY PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. 
          I STOOD AND I WALKED WITH THEM THE FIRST, UH, SATURDAY AT, AT TRAVIS PARK, TRYING MY BEST TO SOCIAL DISTANCE. 
          IT WAS NOT EASY. 
          UM, I SUPPORT MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE, UH, TODAY. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE SEE THAT WHEN THERE IS MISUSE OF POLICING RESOURCES, WHAT WE END UP WITH A SOCIAL CRISIS LIKE THE ONE THAT WE HAVE NOW, UM, CERTAINLY A LONG-TERM ECONOMIC CRISIS WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT SENDING PEOPLE TO PRISON AND TO JAIL AND, UH, AND A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. 
          UM, I WANNA SAY A COUPLE THOUGHTS ON ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          I THINK THAT ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, GOES BEYOND JUST DISCIPLINING OUR OFFICERS, BUT IT IS ALSO ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC AND HOW WE PROVIDE IT. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FOLLOW SOME BEST PRACTICES, UH, IN THAT REGARD. 
          UH, THE CHIEF, UH, MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT HOW THE WAY WE PROVIDE INFORMATION DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE EIGHT COUNT WAIT CAMPAIGN, AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T GET CREDIT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A, A CONSIDERATION IS JUST, IS CHANGING THE WAY WE PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. 
          I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT, UM, THE CHIEF OR OR STAFF, IF YOU COULD, PROVIDE US A DIAGRAM WITH ALL OF THOSE, UH, DIFFERENT UNITS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE POLICE, UH, DEPARTMENT AND THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL COMMITTEES AND BOARDS. 
          UH, WHO, WHO IS ON THOSE? AND HOW CAN THE PUBLIC BE INVOLVED IN THOSE? HOW CAN THE PUBLIC, UH, ATTEND OR KNOW WHEN THEY MEET? UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, MOVE ON TO, UH, COMMENT ABOUT THE TRAINING. 
          UH, I WANT TO CONCUR STRONGLY WITH COUNCILWOMAN VIA REGARDING, UH, IMPLICIT, UH, BIAS TRAINING AND HOW WE ENSURE THAT IT IS IMPLEMENTED IN PRACTICE, UM, IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE TO HAPPEN FREQUENTLY. 
          UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO ERADICATE A LIFETIME OF, UH, LEARNED BEHAVIORS AND BIASES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE REALLY NEED TO REVISIT THAT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, SOME, SOME CHANGES ON ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          UM, MY TEAM AND I WILL BE TAKING OUR FIRST, UH, IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          IT WAS RECOMMENDED, UH, TO US. 
          UH, SO WE'LL, UH, KEEP YOU POSTED ON, ON HOW THAT GOES. 
          UM, I DO WANNA GO TO A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE SLIDE THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE GROWTH IN LINE COMPLAINTS, UH, THAT YOU SEE. 
          UM, CHIEF, COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHY WE'RE SEEING THAT GROWTH? UH, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHEN OFFICERS DO HAVE A COMPLAINT, DOES THAT GO NECESSARILY THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, OR IS THERE ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY CAN SUBMIT THAT COMPLAINT? NO, UH, IT, IT'S TYPICALLY PICKED UP BY A SUPERVISOR, UH, THE SUPERVISOR ON, ON, ON, UH, FORMAL COMPLAINTS. 
          THE SUPERVISOR WILL REFER THAT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS. 
          THE, UM, UH, LINE COMPLAINTS, UH, ARE, ARE THE LESS, LESS SERIOUS COMPLAINTS. 
          UH, A LOT OF THOSE, 
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I BELIEVE, UM, STARTING IN 2015, AND YOU SEE IT RISE FROM THERE, UH, ARE THE, PROBABLY THE, SOME OF THEM FAILURE TO ACTIVATE THE BODY-WORN CAMERA OR MUTE THE MIC WHEN, UH, IT'S, UH, AGAINST POLICY. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S, UH, AT LEAST ANECDOTALLY, THE, THE, THE REASON I SEE THE, THE COMPLAINTS JUMPING UP, UH, UH, FOR THOSE YEARS. 
          UM, UH, LET ME, LET ME JUST READ YOU SOMETHING REAL QUICKLY, UM, FROM THE MANUAL. 
          UM, A MEMBER WHO RECEIVES A COMPLAINT BY TELEPHONE FORWARDS THE COMPLAINT AS FOLLOWS, TO THE SUPERVISOR OF THE OFFICER WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF THE COMPLAINT, UM, TO THE COMMUNICATIONS UNIT SUPERVISOR, WHO SHALL DETERMINE THE AVAILABILITY OF A SUPERVISOR IN THE SUBJECT'S CHAIN OF COMMAND. 
          AND IT GOES ON AND ON. 
          AND THEN FROM A CO, FROM FROM CORRESPONDENCE, IF, UH, IT'S, IT IS A, UH, UH, WRITTEN, REMEMBER WHO RECEIVES A WRITTEN ELECTRONIC OR ELECTRONIC COMPLAINT, SHALL ROUTE THE COMPLAINT TO HIS IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR WHO SHALL HANDLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS POLICY. 
          AND THE POLICY IS, UH, QUITE, UH, QUITE LENGTHY. 
          IT'S, UH, A 24 PAGE POLICY, UH, ON, UH, ON DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF GUIDANCE. 
          UH, WHAT, UH, I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A WHISTLEBLOWER, UH, POLICY. 
          WE HAVE A DUTY TO REPORT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A DUTY TO REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE HAVE A DUTY TO REPORT ANY INFRACTIONS OR, UM, MISCONDUCT THAT WE SEE, UM, OCCUR. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A DUTY TO INTERVENE, UH, SHOULD WE SEE, UH, AN OFFICER A, UH, USING FORCE THAT'S, UH, NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITUATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE THE IDEA OF HAVING A WAY OF, UM, FILING A, A, A COMPLAINT THAT'S NOT THROUGH THE DIRECT SUPERVISOR. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT OFFLINE, PERHAPS. 
          UM, CHIEF, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS SITE AND RELEASE DISCUSSION, UH, OVER THE PAST MAYBE YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, UM, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF HAD INFORMED US THAT PER OUR CHARTER, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD MANDATE THAT THAT WAS REALLY AT YOUR DISCRETION. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER POLICIES THAT PROBABLY DON'T REQUIRE, UH, COUNCIL ACTION, UM, CORRECT. 
          UH, SOME OF THESE, UH, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE ARE ONLY EIGHT OF THE CAMPAIGN ZERO'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHERS COUNCILWOMAN THERE, THERE VERY WELL MAY BE, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WHAT I'D, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND I, UM, THIS IS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN SAID IS THAT, UM, I, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE TODAY THAT CAN HELP THE PUBLIC FEEL SAFER AND HAVE MORE FAITH IN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE AT YOUR DISCRETION. 
          I, UM, THEY, THEY DON'T REQUIRE COUNSEL ACTION. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE IS WE HAVE A USE OF FORCE POLICY. 
          IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT HOW THAT USE OF FORCE IS MODIFIED IN THE EVENT OF A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. 
          WHEN THAT'S A CONSIDERATION, WE CAN SHARE THAT. 
          WE, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION COUNCILWOMAN. 
          UM, I'M ALL OPEN FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT HOW MANY, UM, I GUESS THEIR ORDERS THAT GET FILED WHEN SOMEONE IS IN A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, PD RESPONDS TO THEM ABOUT HOW, HOW OFTEN IS THAT IN, IN A GIVEN MONTH? I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY DETENTIONS COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, CORRECT. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU CALL 'EM, BUT YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN, WHEN WE COME ACROSS A A A A, UH, SOMEONE IN, IN MENTAL CRISIS, MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, UM, AND THEY COULD BE A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, WE WILL EMERGENCY DETAIN THEM, UH, TAKE THEM TO A HOSPITAL. 
          AND LAST YEAR, I WANT TO SAY, UH, ROUGHLY SPEAKING, THERE WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND OF THOSE, NO, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, THERE'S ABOUT A THOUSAND A MONTH. 
          A THOUSAND A MONTH. 
          AND HOW MANY OF THOSE DOES THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT RESPOND TO? I, I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, UH, UM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT, THAT EVERY OFFICER IN THE DEPARTMENT IS C I T IS TRAINED IN CRISIS INTERVENTION. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE, WE, 
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NOBODY'S GOING INTO THOSE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS BLIND, UH, SO TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UM, I, I HAVE A FEW MORE COMMENTS THAT I'LL, THAT I'LL PICK UP WHEN, UH, WHEN WE COME BACK AROUND. 
          BUT, UM, AT THE MOMENT, I JUST, UH, WANNA CLOSE OUT BY SAYING THAT I APPRECIATE, UH, HOSTING THESE LISTENING SESSIONS. 
          I WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THOSE, OF COURSE, AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, THIS EVENING, FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL BE HOSTING A SESSION WITH SOME LOCAL ACTIVISTS, UH, ABOUT THEIR EFFORTS. 
          UM, AND THEN NEXT WEEK, UM, WE'RE, I'M SUPER EXCITED THAT WE'LL BE HAVING, UH, DR. 
          MICHELLE WILLIAMS. SHE'S THE DEAN OF THE HARVARD SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH ON FACEBOOK LIVE, AND SHE WILL BE DISCUSSING HOW RACISM IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS HERE IN, IN THE US. 
          SO, MAYOR, I'LL COME BACK IN FOR, FOR FIVE MINUTES AFTERWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER S THANKS, MAYOR. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU CHIEF MCMANUS FOR AGREEING TO JOIN ME NEXT TUESDAY, UM, AT, UH, 5:00 PM ON FACEBOOK. 
          UM, SO THAT YOU, UH, AND I CAN KIND OF GO OVER THE MATERIAL THAT WE JUST WENT OVER TODAY, UM, AND HAVE A, UM, A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC AND, AND GET SOME OF THEIR INPUT. 
          UM, CHIEF, UH, I, I KEEP HEARING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND, AND ERIC, I, I KEEP HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, POLICING IS THE MOST DANGEROUS JOB IN AMERICA. 
          UM, AND HOLD ON, I THINK MY CAMERA MAY BE OFF. 
          UH, THAT, THAT POLICING IS, IS THE, IS THE MOST DANGEROUS JOB IN AMERICA. 
          AND I, I LOOKED IT UP AND IT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE COUNTING JUST DEATHS AND INJURIES, CORRECT, UH, RELATED TO, UM, THE, UH, UH, TO POLICING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND VIOLENCE AND ALL THAT, TURNS OUT THAT, UM, WE ARE, UH, NOT LOOKING AT POLICE BEING ANYWHERE IN THE TOP 20 MOST DANGEROUS JOBS IN AMERICA. 
          IT'S, UH, LOGGING WORKERS TOP OF THE LIST WITH FISHING WORKERS, AIRCRAFT PILOTS, AND FLIGHT ENGINEERS, ROOFERS, TRASH COLLECTORS, UM, UM, STRUCTURAL IRON STEEL WORKERS, FIRST LINE WORKERS, LANDSCAPING AND GROUNDSKEEPING WORKERS, OIL FIELD WORKERS, SEPTIC TANKS, RAILROAD WORKERS. 
          THESE ARE, UH, NOT UP FOR DEBATE. 
          THIS IS BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTIC NUMBERS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO DIE DOING THOSE JOBS THAN ANY OTHER. 
          THAT IS NOT TO SAY, HOWEVER, THAT POLICING IS NOT DANGEROUS. 
          IT'S REALLY, REALLY DANGEROUS. 
          UM, AND, UM, WE, UH, I, I, I THINK WE LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS DEAL WITH, UM, OFTENTIMES WITH THE WORST OF THE WORST IN, IN, IN AMERICA. 
          AND, UM, WE, UM, WE, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, PASS OVER THAT FACT VERY LIGHTLY. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE, MOST OF THE COPS THAT I TALK TO ARE AFRAID, UH, AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE AFRAID OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THEM, UM, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. 
          AND THAT FEAR IS REAL, AND IT'S MERITED. 
          SO, UM, I, I DID ALSO LOOK UP OTHER STATISTICS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN 2019, THERE WERE ONLY 27 DAYS IN WHICH PEOPLE IN AMERICA DID, UM, AT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR INTRO, FROM THEIR INTERACTION WITH POLICE OFFICERS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF DAYS. 
          AND, UM, 24% OF THE PEOPLE WHO DIE, UM, ARE BLACK. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH BLACK PEOPLE ONLY MAKE UP ABOUT 13% OF THE US POPULATION, AND ONLY ONE, UM, IN THE 100 LARGEST CITIES IN AMERICA DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY BETWEEN 2003 AND 2019. 
          THAT'S IRVINE, CALIFORNIA. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IRVINE, YOU CAN SAY, AH, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S 'CAUSE THEIR CRIME RATE IS SO LOW, AND ACTUALLY THEIR CRIME RATE'S PRETTY GOOD. 
          IT'S, UH, IN ALMOST EVERY CATEGORY, UH, OF CRIME, IRVINE'S CRIME RATE IS ALMOST HALF OF, OF THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE CAN SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE, RIGHT? WELL, IT TURNS OUT IT IS. 
          IT TURNS OUT THAT, UH, RATES OF VIOLENT CRIME IN CITIES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, UH, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE MORE OR LESS LIKELY TO DIE AT THE, YOU KNOW, UH, DURING A POLICE ENCOUNTER. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, BUFFALO AND NEWARK, UM, THEY HAVE VERY LOW RATES OF CRIME. 
          UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, OTHER CITIES LIKE SPOKANE AND ORLANDO, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. 
          AND YET THEY EXPERIENCE HIGH RATES OF, OF POLICE VIOLENCE. 
          AND SO THERE SEEMS TO BE NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, RATES OF CRIMES AND POLICE VIOLENCE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I HEARD A STATISTIC RECENTLY THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, ONE IN 1000 BLACK BOYS AND MEN WILL BE, UM, SHOT BY A POLICE OFFICER IN THEIR LIFETIME. 
          AND FOR WHITE BOYS AND MEN, THAT'S 39 OUT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          THAT'S, THOSE ARE PRETTY DISTURBING NUMBERS, AND I DON'T THINK THOSE 
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ARE FAKE NUMBERS. 
          I KEEP SEEING THEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          AND, UM, WE, THE OTHER THING THAT WE ALSO KNOW IS, AND THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE, THAT CITIES THAT HAVE HIGHER RATES OF RACIAL SEGREGATION, INCARCERATION, EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT, ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DISPARITY, UH, UNEMPLOYMENT AND POVERTY, THEY SEE HIGHER LEVELS OF POLICE VI VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACK MEN AND WOMEN. 
          UM, WE SHOULD BE ALARMED BY THAT SINCE WE ARE ONE OF THE CITIES WITH THE HIGHEST, UH, LEVELS OF POVERTY AND ECONOMIC SEGREGATION. 
          AND SO, UM, THIS IS NEW INFORMATION TO ME, UH, BUT IT'S NOT NEW INFORMATION TO, UM, THE GENERATIONS OF BLACK MEN AND WOMEN WHO'VE BEEN LIVING IT. 
          UM, AND WHILE THESE ARE EMPIRICAL STATISTICS, THEY ONLY SERVE TO SHOW US WHAT, YOU KNOW, OUR BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT THEY KNOW, UM, AND THEY'VE KNOWN, FOR INSTANCE, FOREVER. 
          AND SO UNDERSTANDABLY, THEY'RE SICK OF WAITING, UH, FOR THIS TO END. 
          AND, UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR EQUALITY, NOT, NOT, NOT FOR EQUAL TREATMENT, NOT, NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, DISPARATE OR SPECIAL TREATMENT. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THEY'RE, MOST FOLKS WHO ARE PROTESTING AND ADVOCATES OF POLICE REFORM ARE SICK OF MEETINGS LIKE THE ONES WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEY'RE SICK OF POLITICIANS LIKE US TALKING. 
          AND, UM, THEY'RE TIRED OF BEING TOLD TO WAIT, UH, FOR THE PROBLEM TO INCREMENTALLY ABATE OR IMPROVE. 
          AND, UM, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE NOT WRONG. 
          SO I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM TODAY AGREE THAT THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE FURIOUS. 
          AND TO THEM, WE'RE NOT GONNA COURAGEOUS CONVERSATION OUR WAY OUT OF AMERICA'S RACISM OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ABUSES BY, BY ABUSIVE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND I THINK THEY'RE EVEN MORE INFURIATED, AND I'VE HEARD THEM SAY THEY'RE EVEN MORE INFURIATED, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT SAYING SOMETHING REALLY SIMPLE LIKE, WE HEAR YOU AND WE UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T FEEL SAFE, AND YOU WANT US TO DO BETTER. 
          AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME SORT OF AFFIRMATION FROM, FROM PEOPLE IN UNIFORM. 
          UM, NOW ADD TO THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT, AND, AND, AND CHIEF IS THIS ACCURATE, 67.5% OF FIRED OFFICERS WHO APPEAL THROUGH ARBITRATION GET RETURNED TO WORK BY THE ARBITRATOR. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I'VE SEEN. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A NATIONAL NUMBER OR IF THAT'S A NUMBER THAT IS, I THINK IT'S A SAN ANTONIO NUMBER. 
          ERIC COULD, YOU KNOW, SO AS IT WAS, UM, REPORTED IN THE WASHINGTON POST, UH, THAT THEY DID A BIG EXPOSE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, SAN ANTONIO LED THE COUNTRY IN THE SURVEY THAT THE WASHINGTON POST HAD, I THINK IT WENT BACK TO, UM, 2006, 2007, THAT, UH, WE HAD THE MOST NUMBER OF RETURNED OFFICERS WITH, UH, ARBITRA THROUGH ARBITRATION ARBITRATORS HAD HAD RETURNED OFFICERS BACK TO SAN ANTONIO AT A GREATER RATE THAN EVERY OTHER MAJOR CITY THAT WAS SURVEYED AT THAT TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THESE AREN'T JUST RETURNED OFFICERS WHO ARE COMING BACK FROM SEMATIC OR VACATION. 
          THESE ARE RETURNED OFFICERS WHO'VE BEEN CAUGHT VIOLATING POLICY OR THE LAW. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, AND, AND IN SOME CASES, UH, THAT HAVE HAD, UH, CHARGES FILED AGAINST THEM, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND IN SOME CASES, COUNSEL, THIS IS ANDY, UH, IN SOME CASES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFICERS WHO EVEN ADMIT TO THE WRONG BEHAVIOR. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          I, I, I HEAR YOU. 
          SO THAT, THAT BOGGLES THE MIND, NOT JUST FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO, YOU KNOW, UM, GETS TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS AND STUFF, BUT THAT BOGGLES THE MIND OF JUST THE GENERAL PUBLIC, I THINK, AND IT, IT DESTROYS PUBLIC TRUST. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF I WERE TO REPLACE THE WORD OFFICER RIGHT IN, IN THAT SENTENCE AND SAID SOMETHING LIKE, 67% OF AIRLINE PILOTS WHO WERE FOUND TO BE DRUNK GET RETURNED TO WORK AFTER AN ARBITRATION, OR 67% OF PHYSICIANS OR TEACHERS OR BUS DRIVERS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER INCOMPETENT OR DANGEROUS GET RETURNED TO WORK, UM, I, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE DEMANDING AN EXPLANATION. 
          UM, AND, UM, I THINK EVERY SAN ANTONIO HAS A LEGITIMATE REASON TO BE CONFUSED AND, AND FURIOUS ABOUT THIS. 
          SO, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT TO, TO COUNCILWOMAN, UM, UH, SHIRLEY GONZALEZ'S POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SPRINKLE IN SOME MORE RELIABLE STATISTICS, AND IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND IT. 
          YOU KNOW, 1% OF US POLICE OFFICERS REMAIN ON THE JOB FOLLOWING A FAILED DRUG TESTS. 
          7% REMAIN AFTER A THEFT, AND THEN NEARLY 30% OF OFFICERS WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COMPLAINTS KEEP THEIR JOBS. 
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I, I HAVE YET TO MEET A SANTON WHO, WHO THINKS THAT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. 
          AND SO, UM, I'LL, I, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT JUST SIMPLY BY HAVING READ AND RECITED SOME OF THESE STATISTICS THAT, YOU KNOW, OH MY GOSH, HE'S SO ANTI-COP, BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK EITHER THAT WE CAN THROW THE BABY OUT WITH A BATH WATER, RIGHT? NOBODY IN SAN ANTONIO IS GOING TO DISMANTLE S A P D FULL STOP. 
          NOBODY IS GONNA DISMANTLE SS A P D. 
          UM, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE DEMANDING THAT WE DISMANTLE AND DEFUND ARE, ARE PUSHING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND, UH, NOBODY IS GOING TO DEFUND THEM IN A WAY THAT'S GONNA RESULT IN FEWER COPS PATROLLING THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT AND, UH, MAYOR AND, AND CITY MANAGER. 
          I'M NEVER GONNA SUPPORT ANY EFFORT, UM, THAT RESULTS IN FEWER COPS PATROLLING MY DISTRICT, FEWER COPS, TAKING BATTERED WOMEN'S, UH, TO FAMILY VIOLENCE PREVENTION SERVICES, THE BATTERED WOMEN'S SHELTER, UH, HELPING OUT THE RIGHT CRISIS CENTER, YOU KNOW, HELPING SOLVE, YOU KNOW, GENUINE CRIMES. 
          UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, HAVING SERVED WITH THE BATTERED WOMEN AND CHILDREN'S SHELTER FOR 20 YEARS, WE DO NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE ASSISTANCE AND COLLABORATION WITH SS A P D. 
          UM, THERE IS NO EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS IN THE CITY WITHOUT S A P D. 
          WHITE COLLAR CRIMES DON'T GET SOLVED WITHOUT S A P D CAR THEFTS, HOME INVASIONS, PROPERTY CRIMES. 
          THAT'S ONLY S A P D THAT CAN HANDLE THAT ACTIVE SHOOTER RESPONSES. 
          IT'S NOT SOCIAL WORKERS OUT THERE WHO ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, RESPONDING TO THOSE, THOSE ARE SS A P D OFFICERS. 
          AND SO, UM, I, I, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'VE GOT IS, IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO THINKS IT'S SUSTAINABLE, BUT AS, AS UNREASONABLE AS I THINK FOR PEOPLE TO SAY DEFUND AND DISMANTLE, I THINK IT'S EQUALLY UNREASONABLE WHEN I HEAR POLICE OFFICERS SAY, HEY, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG, UH, OR, COME ON, MORE TRANSPARENCY AND HIGHER STANDARDS, THAT'S JUST GONNA HURT POLICING. 
          UM, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S VERY SHORTSIGHTED IN MYOPIC AND VERY DANGEROUS. 
          AND SO, THANKFULLY THOUGH, UH, I, I, I DON'T, I THINK MY COUNCIL MEMBERS AGREE WITH ME THAT THERE'S FEWER OF THOSE POLICE OFFICERS THAN THE REASONABLE ONES, UM, WHO ARE THOUGHTFUL AND PROFESSIONAL AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE'VE GOT IS THE BEST IN THE NATION. 
          AND SO, UM, I, I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM AND, AND I, EVERY OFFICER I'VE SPOKEN TO AGREES THAT THE GUY THAT KNEELED ON GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK AS A MURDERER, AND THAT HE SHOULD NEVER, EVER WALK THE STREETS AGAIN. 
          AND, UM, THEY AGREE THAT THE OTHER OFFICERS AT THE SCENE WERE COMPLICIT IN THAT POOR MAN'S MURDER. 
          AND, UH, THEY EQUALLY AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE OFFICERS WHO WERE RETURNED BY ARBITRATORS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED, UM, TO SIT IN A ROLL CALL MEETING EVER AGAIN, OR MUCH LESS WEAR A BADGE. 
          UM, AND MOST OF THESE OFFICERS THAT I TALKED TO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PROTESTORS AND ADVOCATES ARGUMENTS HAVE MERIT AND THAT THEY REALLY DO NEED TO GET FIXED RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I THINK THAT SAN ANTONIO IS BLESSED WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, BY HAVING THESE OFFICERS AND THE REASONABLE AND THE PROFESSIONAL ONES. 
          AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT COMPRISES THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE SS A P D, UH, POLICE FORCE. 
          AND SO, UH, I, I DO WANNA MAKE BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, I'M ALWAYS GONNA COME TO THE DEFENSE OF THOSE EXCELLENT OFFICERS, UM, THOSE WHO PERFORM THEIR JOB IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE HEART OF A SERVANT. 
          UM, I'LL DEFEND THEM EVERY SINGLE TIME WITH THE SAME VIGOR THAT I DEFEND MY NEIGHBOR'S RIGHTS TO BE FREE OF ABUSE. 
          AND, UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BINARY CHOICE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE PROCOP, UH, OR YOU HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRO, UH, GEORGE FLOYD. 
          UM, I, I THINK YOU CAN BE BOTH, UM, BECAUSE TO, TO NOT BE BOTH JUST FRUSTRATES OUR POLICY EFFORTS. 
          SO, ANDY, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT IS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT ARBITRATION CLAUSE. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRAGMATIC SOLUTION TO A BIG PART OF THIS PROBLEM. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF POLITICS IS THE, THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE, THEN WHAT POSSIBLE PRAGMATIC SOLUTIONS ARE THERE TO, TO FIXING THAT. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KEEP LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, THE VOTING PUBLIC SAID A THREE ARBITRATOR PANEL IS WHAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH FOR FIRE. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PUBLIC WOULD AGREE THAT A THREE ARBITRATOR PANEL, UM, IF IT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE, IS GOOD FOR THE GA THE GANDER. 
          SO I'LL BE, I'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          UM, THANKS, MAYOR. 
          THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, AND THANKS FOR LETTING ME GO OVER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN BELI. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I CAME TO SAN ANTONIO 49 YEARS AGO AND, UH, CAME INTO THE AIR FORCE, AND I BECAME A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THE AIR FORCE. 
          SO I WORE A UNIFORM AND I, YOU KNOW, WORE A BADGE AND I CARRIED A WEAPON, AND I PROTECTED, UH, PEOPLE AND PLACES. 
          AND I DID THAT FOR FOUR YEARS. 
          UH, AND I HAD A FAMILY AT THE TIME. 
          AND AT THE END OF THAT FOUR YEARS, I HAD OPPORTUNITY. 
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I COULD HAVE, UH, COME BACK AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED MY SERVICE. 
          BUT I RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING A POLICE OFFICER IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT JOB. 
          UH, AND I THINK ALL OF US RECOGNIZE HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS. 
          UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE PUTTING A TARGET ON YOUR BODY WHENEVER YOU PUT ON THAT UNIFORM IN THAT BADGE. 
          UH, AND SO I THINK ALL OF US NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THOUGH, FROM THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN WALKING AND TALKING AND, AND, UM, FROM COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, IS THAT THEY WANT GREATER INPUT INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, AND AS A COMMUNITY AND, AND OUR POLICE FORCE AND HOW IT WORKS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE INVITED TO ZOOM IN. 
          UH, I THINK THE COMMITTEE IS GONNA HAVE ONE PUBLIC MEETING, UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE US TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC INPUT, UH, NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE INTERNET ACCESS OR CAN CALL ON THE PHONE AND, AND NOT WAIT AN HOUR TO GET ON. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UH, AN ENTIRE, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, OF, UM, OUR, UH, OUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE, ARE EMPTY RIGHT NOW, UH, DOWN AT THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          SO I THINK WE COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF BIG PUBLIC MEETINGS AND REALLY HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, THROUGH USING THOSE FACILITIES OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT INVITING A GREATER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE WE COME TO DECISIONS. 
          NOW, I BELIEVE WE DO NEED TO DO MORE TO IMPROVE, UH, OUR POLICE FORCE. 
          AND I THINK THAT STARTS WITH IMPROVING RECRUITMENT ON TESTING AND TRAINING. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF FORMAT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING IS BEING USED. 
          YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE BRING IN ACTUALLY, UH, FAIL. 
          AND, UH, DO THEY WASH OUT? ARE THEY GIVEN MULTIPLE CHANCES? DO THEY ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD? YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, AND WHAT TYPE OF FORMAT IS THE BIAS TRAINING? YOU KNOW, UH, AND HOW OFTEN IS THAT GIVEN? AND IS THERE A GRADE TO PASS, OR IS IT JUST SIT THERE AND LISTEN? I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE EXPLORED AND NEED TO BE BETTER IDENTIFIED AND SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY OF OUR OFFICERS RIGHT NOW ARE ON DESK DUTY BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE FIT TO GO BACK OUT IN THE STREET. 
          HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE THERE? ARE THERE 10? ARE THERE 20? ARE THERE MORE? UH, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD SPEAK MORE TO THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH HERE. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC'S BEEN ASKING, UH, WHAT KIND OF MILITARY STYLE OR OR SURPLUS VEHICLES OR HARDWARE OR ARMS DO WE HAVE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR US TO KNOW, HAVE WE GONE OUT AND, AND SPENT MONEY ON THIS KIND OF MILITARY HARDWARE THAT, UH, MAY NOT HAVE ANY VALID USE IN, UH, NORMAL POLICING? SO I, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION I'D LIKE TO HEAR ANSWERED. 
          I THINK ONE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I THINK A WAY TO IMPROVE OUR, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WE HAVE SAFE OFFICERS, AND I LOVE OUR SAFE OFFICERS. 
          I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB. 
          THEY'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY GO TO MEETINGS, THEY TALK WITH PEOPLE, THEY VISIT WITH NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW CHIEF IS, IS THAT A VOLUNTEER POSITION BEING A SAFE OFFICER? NO, SIR. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU APPLY FOR THE POSITION AND THEN YOU'RE SELECTED BASED ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TYPICALLY DO AN INTERVIEW AND YOU'RE SELECTED BASED ON THAT. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT BECOME, UH, AN AUTOMATIC POSITION THAT ALL POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD HAVE AND ROTATE THROUGH SO THAT THEY GET MORE HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH PEOPLE FACE-TO-FACE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES. 
          GOING TO A LOT OF THOSE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND, AND REALLY HAVING A MORE GRASSROOTS GRASP OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS THINKING ABOUT. 
          A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES, I THINK THE SAFE OFFICERS DO. 
          I KNOW THEY GO THROUGH SPECIAL TRAINING THAT SHOWS IT HELPS IN WHAT THEY DO. 
          WHY DON'T ALL POLICE OFFICERS ROTATE THROUGH THAT TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND 
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AND HELP THE COMMUNITY GET TO KNOW THEM BETTER? SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD SUGGEST WE LOOK AT AS WELL. 
          UH, A LITTLE WHILE AGO, TOO, CHIEF, YOU SAID, UM, OFFICERS HAVE CERTAIN DUTIES, UH, AND ONE DUTY YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT THEY HAVE IS A DUTY NOT TO LIE. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT, UH, STORIES COMING OUT FROM POLICE REPORTING SOMETHING, AND THEN VIDEOS SHOWING US THE TRUTH. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE MORE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE DUTY NOT TO LIE. 
          AND SO I HOPE THAT WE'LL WORK ON EMPHASIZING SOME OF THESE THINGS I'VE MENTIONED HERE AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, GREAT BRIEFING CHIEF. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, UH, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. 
          I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME, UH, LITTLE BITS THAT I'LL, I'LL BE GETTING BACK WITH YOU LATER ON WITH SOME MORE, UH, INFORMATION REQUESTS ON, ON SOME OF THE DATA. 
          BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO HAVE A COUPLE OF WORDS. 
          I I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I TOO, UH, LIKE COUNCILMAN ELIAS, UH, UH, I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING ON TAKING DOLLARS AWAY FROM THE POLICE. 
          LEMME TELL YOU, YEAR AFTER YEAR, THE LAST THREE BUDGETS, AND I'M, I BET YOU IT'S GONNA COME OUT THE SAME WAY ON SA SPEAK UP. 
          WHERE HAS SAFETY AND SECURITY BEEN ON THE LIST OF PRIORITIES THAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE? IT'S RIGHT UP AT THE TOP, AND I CAN TELL YOU HERE IN DISTRICT 10, IT IS THE TOP SAFETY AND SECURITY. 
          PEOPLE WANNA FEEL SAFE IN THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          THEY DON'T WANNA BE SCARED OF WALKING DOWN THE STREET, BREAK-INS, CAR THEFTS, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO I, I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE POLICE AND THEIR EFFORTS AND, UM, WHERE WE HAVE FUNDED THEM IN THE PAST. 
          AND IF, UH, I, I'LL, I'LL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT FUNDING LEVEL TO, UH, KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO KEEP THEM SAFE AND SECURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT HAS CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVED, AND THAT'S OUR SAFE PROGRAM. 
          AND HERE IN DISTRICT 10, UM, THE SAFE PROGRAM HAS BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL AND IT CONTINUES TO IMPROVE ON THEIR OUTREACH EFFORTS. 
          UM, YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, TAKEN AWAY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND MORE ON THE HOMELESS SITUATION THAT, UH, THAT SEEMS TO BE A, A CHRONIC PROBLEM. 
          BUT OVERALL, THE SAFE PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND, AND THIS COMMUNITY UP HERE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE VERY MUCH SUPPORTS, UH, THOSE, THOSE GUYS AND GALS COMING OUT AND MAKING THEIR ROUNDS AND WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY, THEY FEEL SAFE AND THAT THEY HAVE SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN PERSONALLY CALL IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITHIN, WITHIN THEIR HOME AREA. 
          SO, UM, BUT YEAH, UM, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY CHIEF, UM, UH, THIS, UH, THIS ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT. 
          I REMEMBER IT BEING TALKED ABOUT. 
          I REMEMBER SOME, UM, CONTROVERSY AS WAS EXPLAINED EARLIER. 
          DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AT THIS POINT, BUT HEY, THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, UH, I, I CAN JUST SAY THAT D 10 IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO DOWN THE ROADS AND SEE SIGNS PUT UP IN FRONT OF COMMUNITIES. 
          WE SUPPORT THE BLUE. 
          SO I, I'M, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO TAKE ANY, ANY FUNDING AWAY FROM YOU GUYS TO MOVE TO OTHER PROGRAMS HERE IN THE CITY. 
          BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          CHIEF, UM, T A L TRAINING, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT ON TRAINING FROM TCAL? UH, ISN'T THAT A YEARLY REQUIREMENT THAT THEY PUT ON POLICE OFFICERS? YES, SIR. 
          IT'S A, UH, IN-SERVICE TRAINING, UH, EVERY YEAR WE DO 40 HOURS. 
          UM, T CALL ACTUALLY REQUIRES 24. 
          WE DO, UH, 40. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 24 IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU ACTUALLY DO 40. 
          SO, UH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL TRAINING REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU, UM, PUT OUT THERE FOR, FOR THE TROOPS TO, TO ATTEND IT? IT CAN BE A VARIETY OF THINGS. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER USUALLY, UH, 
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IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, BECOMES A, YOU KNOW, A, A, UH, AN ISSUE DURING THE YEAR, WE'LL PUT IT ON, UH, OUR IN-SERVICE LIST. 
          WE DO, UM, UH, DRIVING TRAINING. 
          WE DO A, A NUMBER OF BLOCKS OF, UM, UM, CLASSROOM TRAINING. 
          WE HAVE GROUPS COME IN FROM THE COMMUNITY TO, TO HELP US DO THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THIS, THIS YEAR'S, UH, UH, CURRICULUM IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT IS, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS ARE SITTING THERE WASTING THEIR TIME. 
          THERE'S A, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OF COURSE BLOCK AFTER BLOCK AFTER BLOCK OF TRAINING UNTIL YOU GET THROUGH THE WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW, T CALL WAS 24 HOURS, BUT WE ACTUALLY MANDATE 40 HOURS A YEAR. 
          AND IS, IS THAT, IS THAT IT THE 40 HOURS OR IS THERE ACTUALLY MORE, MORE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS, OR IS THAT, THAT YOUR LIMIT RIGHT NOW? 40 HOURS A YEAR? SOMETIMES THERE ARE, ARE OTHER, UH, THINGS THAT COME UP AND WE DO, YOU KNOW, INER WE DO IN-SERVICE TRAINING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          UH, AND WE MAY PULL OTHER OFFICER, WE MAY PULL OFFICERS IN FOR OTHER TRAINING INTO THE CLASSROOM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HOW MUCH IN A, IN A YEAR, LOOKING AT THE WHOLE TRAINING PROGRAM, HOW, HOW MANY DOLLARS IS THAT GOING INTO YOUR, YOUR PROGRAM HERE? UH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO, UH, TO MY BOSS ON THIS ONE. 
          COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN. 
          WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPEND ON TRAINING. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, MARIA. 
          I, I JUST, UH, WANNA PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRAINING OUR OFFICERS MORE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO THAN WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS, AND THIS IS HOW MUCH WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING ON THAT TRAINING. 
          UM, SO, UM, THAT'S JUST A, A DATA POINT THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY TO SEE WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRAINING, HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING US THAT GOES INTO THE YEARLY, YEARLY BUDGET. 
          UM, CHIEF AND IS THE CARB WORKING, YOU SAID THAT YOU, YOU, UH, AGREE WITH THEM OVER 99% OF THE TIME, BUT IS, IS IT TRULY WORKING? WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY THAT. 
          SO THE, THE, UH, THE 99% OF THE TIME IS, UM, I AGREE WITH THE CARD WHERE I SEND OUT A, A CONTEMPLATED NOTICE OF CORRECTIVE ACTION THAT'S BASED ON THE CARD RECOMMENDATION 99% OF THE TIME. 
          UM, THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THE TIME, UH, IN THE LOUDERMILL HEARING, UH, THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE BOARD RECOMMENDED UN UNLESS MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES DICTATE OTHERWISE, WE'RE WE, WE, WE REMAIN FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT THE BOARD RECOMMENDS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WORKING, IT IS WORKING, BUT AGAIN, LET, LET ME JUST STRESS THAT THAT PROCESS WORKS. 
          IT WOULD WORK A WHOLE LOT BETTER MINUS ARTICLE 28 AND 29 IN THE CONTRACT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S, I WAS GONNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THE UPCOMING CONTRACT. 
          I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE START JUST INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS NOW, BECAUSE TIMES ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAN WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN WHEN THIS LAST CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, I GUESS, FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          UH, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME EXTRA, UM, TENDER LOVING CARE TO GET THIS, GET THIS CONTRACT THROUGH, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, HAVE Y'ALL OR ERIC, HAVE Y'ALL MADE ANY, ANY STEPS IN INFORMALLY MEETING WITH THE, WITH THE ? NO. 
          NO, SIR, WE HAVEN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WHEN, WHEN DO YOU PLAN, IS THERE A TIME SCHEDULE LAID OUT ALREADY FOR WHEN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WILL BE STARTED? WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, UNDER THE, UNDER THE CONTRACT, WE HAVE TO BEGIN BY FEBRUARY 21. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, NOW'S THE TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT, UM, AS WE GEAR UP FOR WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE, WHAT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE, UH, AND THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND, AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME CONVERSATIONS LEADING UP TO THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I, I THINK AS, AS SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MENTIONED, AND THE, 
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AND THE CHIEF HAS MENTIONED THAT WE, WE, UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, UH, UH, PRIORITIES THAT NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, AND THEY'RE NOT, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REAL SURPRISE, FRANKLY. 
          UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I SUSPECT WE WILL HAVE A GAME PLAN HERE SHORTLY TO, TO DO THAT. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT I DON'T, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY SURPRISE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S PRIORITIES WOULD BE IN TERMS OF DISCIPLINE, ARBITRATION, UM, AND, AND, UH, BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH, UH, MISCONDUCT CASES, UM, AS EXPECTED. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          WELL, UM, I ALWAYS SAY THE SOONER YOU GET STARTED ON SOMETHING, THE, UM, BETTER IT IS. 
          UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THINGS TO GET WRAPPED UP LIKE IT DID ON OUR LAST CONTRACT NEGOTIATION. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, CHIEF SUPPORTS YOU AND I SUPPORT THE, THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, UM, I WILL, I'LL FIGHT TO KEEP THE BUDGETS WHERE THEY'RE AT OR EVEN HIGHER, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT OUR TAXPAYERS ARE WANTING. 
          AND THAT COMES OUT LOUD AND CLEAR EVERY YEAR THROUGH SA SPEAK UP. 
          AND I HAVE MY OWN, UM, SURVEYS GOING RIGHT NOW ALSO. 
          AND SO FAR WHAT I'VE GOTTEN, AGAIN, THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          NEXT IS STREETS AND DRAINAGE, AND AFTER THAT IS PROPERTY TAXES. 
          IT NEVER SEEMS TO CHANGE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE PRIORITIES HAVE ARE HERE, AND I SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT ACROSS THIS ENTIRE CITY. 
          SO, WITH THAT, SIR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY, WE DO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL OF OUR COLLEAGUES WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ASK SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          SO I'LL GO THROUGH THEM NOW. 
          AGAIN, IF YOU, UH, DO WANT TO PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I'LL PUT YOU IN THE QUEUE. 
          UH, WE'LL GO NOW FIRST TO COUNCIL MEMBER VIA THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I THINK I WANT TO START WITH SAYING, UM, THANK YOU TO ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SENDING INFORMATION TO ME, UM, EDUCATING ME, THE PROTEST, THE, UM, EMAILS, THE INFORMATION. 
          IT'S BEEN VERY CRITICAL IN FORMING, UH, THOUGHTS INFORMING THE WAY WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE OLD SYSTEMS AND WAYS OF THINKING THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCTURAL FOR SO LONG, IT IS GREAT TO HAVE NEW, FRESH IDEAS TO THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE WAY WE'VE DONE THINGS DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE WAY WE NECESSARILY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I ALSO, UM, WANT TO BE SURE AND CLEAR THAT I DO, I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE ALL OF OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM WHO ARE HELPING PROTECT AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY, AND WHO IS, UM, WHOSE MOST IMPORTANT INTENTION IS TO PROTECT US AND OUR COMMUNITY AND THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO THANK, WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THIS BALANCE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T LOOK AT THINGS IN A NEW, FRESH WAY. 
          I DO, UH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON. 
          I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER PALAIS ASKED ONE OF THEM ABOUT THE NUMBER OF, UH, COMPLAINTS OR ARBITRATIONS THAT, UH, THE CHIEF MOVED FORWARD WITH IN THE PAST. 
          MAYBE I'D LIKE TO GET THE DATA. 
          IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, HOW MANY OF THOSE, UM, ITEMS THAT WE WENT THAT WENT TO ARBITRATION WERE OVERTURNED BY THE ARBITRATOR, AND THE, THE INDIVIDUAL HAD TO GET REINSTATED IN, UH, BACK IN THE, IN, IN SS A P D. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THAT. 
          AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE HAVE TO PAY BACK, PAY FOR THOSE OFFICERS IF WE NEEDED TO, HOW MUCH THAT WAS. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO THANK OUR, AGAIN, ESPECIALLY OUR SAFE OFFICERS WHO GREAT, HAVE GREAT, UH, RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR RESIDENTS, AND OF COURSE, OUR, UM, OFFICERS WHO'VE BEEN THERE EVERY TIME WE NEED THEM, AND THOSE WHO'VE BEEN AROUND IN EVEN YESTERDAY AND TODAY, OR THAT MAN WHO WAS FOLLOWING WOMEN OUT OF, TO THEIR CARS IN THE PARKING LOT THAT'S HAPPENING, AND THEY'RE ON TOP OF IT. 
          SO EVERYONE BE CAREFUL OUT THERE. 
          IF YOU'RE, UM, WALKING OUT IN THAT AREA BY MILITARY AND AT PLEASANTON, I THINK YOU'VE GONE AWAY, THOUGH. 
          UH, THEN I DO WANT TO MENTION, UM, TO MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, I, AND MY, THE, MY DISTRICT, AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN 
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ADVOCATING WITH ME FOR A POLICE SUBSTATION IN DISTRICT THREE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE. 
          UM, AND WE KNOW THAT WE NEEDED THAT KIND OF COVERAGE. 
          WE DO NEED THAT KIND OF COVERAGE. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL IS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND AS WE'RE, UH, REINVENTING THE WAY WE THINK OF THINGS, LET'S LOOK AT THIS. 
          INSTEAD OF NECESSARILY A POLICE SUBSTATION IN DISTRICT THREE, LET'S MAKE IT A PUBLIC SAFETY SUBSTATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ASPECT, BUT ALSO THE NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT ASPECT WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY PUBLIC SAFETY, WHEN IT COMES TO, YES, HAVING SAFE OFFICERS, BUT THEN ALSO HAVING ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE PEACE INITIATIVE, LIKE CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND DISPUTE CENTERS THERE, LIKE FAIR HOUSING, BREAK IT UP. 
          WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING VERY, VERY SPECIAL WITH THIS, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TOGETHER BECAUSE OUR DISTRICT DOES NEED SOME SORT OF A, A LANDMARK OF A SUBSTATION, BUT LET IT BE OUR NEW EXAMPLE GOING FORWARD OF WHAT A PUBLIC SAFETY SUBSTATION CAN LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THAT IS WHAT I'M GOING TO BE ASKING THE RESIDENTS OF THE DISTRICT, THE RESIDENTS, MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, AND THREE AND FOUR, AND TWO AND FOUR WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ME ON THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL THING THAT WE CAN DO, WORKING WITH, UM, THE FUTURE OF SAN ANTONIO AND TELLING OUR STORY AND REINVENTING WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW WE CAN LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, MAYOR, UH, I'M DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN, WE'LL GO NOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN VIA, AND WE DID NOT PLAN THIS, UH, BUT I, UH, YES, DITTO ON WHAT YOU SAID. 
          I MENTIONED CONFLICT TRANSFORMATION EARLIER. 
          I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE, UM, SOME OF THE LOCAL EXPERTS ON THIS. 
          I, I'D LOVE TO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT VIOLENCE AND COMMUNITY AND FAMILIES OR VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION. 
          UM, AND SO, SO THESE ARE, AGAIN, UH, I, I'VE SEEN THEM, UH, CLASSES THAT ARE OFFERED AT SOME OF OUR LOCAL UNIVERSITIES. 
          I THINK IT'S TIME TO ENGAGE THEM ALL. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, I ALSO WANT TO MENTION, UM, COUNCILMAN FERRY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP ABOUT THE HOURS, BECAUSE I DO WANNA SAY, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT I AM A COLLEGE, UM, PROFESSOR, AND SO, UH, I KNOW CHIEF, THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE'S 40 HOURS OF TRAINING MY STUDENTS. 
          I WILL NOT, UM, ASSESS THEM AND RELEASE THEM TO THE NEXT CLASS UNLESS THEY COMPLETE 136 HOURS OF WORK ON A SUBJECT WHEN I KNOW THAT THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IS WHEN THEY GET TO, UM, BASICALLY MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL COURSE, RIGHT? AND EVENTUALLY THEY HAVE TO TAKE ALL OF THESE CLASSES AND THEY EVENTUALLY, THEY GRADUATE. 
          UM, SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL FOCUS ON MARY, MAYBE SOME RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. 
          UM, AS WELL, I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. 
          SOUTHWEST I S D IN 20 14, 20 15 SCHOOL YEAR HAD, UM, 1,196 CASES TWO YEARS LATER BECAUSE OF THEIR FOCUS ON RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. 
          THEY HAD 253 CASES. 
          THAT'S A 79% DECREASE IN TWO YEARS. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT IT WORKS. 
          HOW WE DO IT AS A COMMUNITY WILL BE IMPORTANT. 
          I DO WANNA, UM, UH, ASK FOR AN EMPHASIS, AND CHIEF MENTIONED THIS ON MENTAL HEALTH. 
          WE NEED THIS. 
          IN FACT, THE VERY FIRST MEETING THAT I TOOK AS A COUNCIL PERSON, UM, WAS WITH AN AUTISTIC CHILD WHO WAS SCARED THAT HIS FRIENDS MIGHT GET SHOT. 
          I DO THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING VERY REAL AND THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON. 
          I DO WANNA THANK, UM, UH, SCOTT HERMES OVER AT THE, UH, SOUTH STATION. 
          OFFICER HERMES WORKS WITH THE POLICE CORPS, UM, AND HE DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THE KIDS AND BEING ABLE TO, UH, TALK TO THEM AND SHOW THEM WHAT A WONDERFUL, UH, CAREER LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN BE. 
          I DO, UM, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I, I RESPECT EVERYTHING THAT, UM, THAT OUR, OUR WOMEN AND MEN IN BLUE DO. 
          UM, I DO ALSO THINK THAT RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND THEIR SURVEYS, UM, THAT SOUTHWEST S D SHARED WITH ME INCREASES, UH, THE FEELING OF HOW FOLKS ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY, FEELING LIKE THEY BELONG, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE FEELING OF SAFETY. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO RESET, UM, AND DO THIS, UH, COUNCILMAN VERDA. 
          I I HOPE THAT THE, UH, SESSIONS WOULD BE BILINGUAL. 
          UM, AS WELL. 
          I HAD ASKED FOR MAYBE, UM, IF WE HAD ANY SESSIONS, MAYBE A SPANISH, UM, ONE AS WELL. 
          I DO THINK THAT SOME ARE OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS ONLY SPEAK SPANISH STILL. 
          UM, AND THEN CHIEF, ALSO, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          ONE, ON PAGE 12, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE BREAKDOWN OF INVESTIGATIONS OR MAYBE GIVE ME SOME 
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EXAMPLES OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS? AND THEN ALSO, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO WORK, UM, SINCE, UH, CHAPTER 1 74 CAN SUPERSEDE CHAPTER 1 43? CAN WE ASK FOR EXEMPTIONS? AND HOW MANY CASES DO WE ASK FOR EXEMPTIONS ON? UM, AND, AND DO WE WORK WITH ANYBODY, UM, TO DO THAT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION AND, AND IT'S A LOADED QUESTION, BUT THEN THE SECOND ONE, IT'S ALSO WHEN WE TRIED WORKING, AND I WASN'T HERE, BUT I, I, I'VE, AND, AND DOING SOME RESEARCH ON CAMPAIGN ZERO IN 2014 AND 2016, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WENT ANYWHERE. 
          SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY THAT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE OR WHAT HAPPENED? AND, AND IT, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A LONGER CONVERSATION. 
          SO I'LL BE HAVING TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT ONE OFFLINE. 
          BUT I DO WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN OF INVESTIGATIONS ON PAGE 12, AND IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO ASK FOR EXEMPTIONS. 
          COUNCILMAN, LET ME, UH, LET ME, UH, SWITCH TO MY SLIDE HERE. 
          YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN OF THE TYPE OF INVESTIGATIONS THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DOES. 
          DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OR ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SHARE THAT? YEAH, WE CAN GET, YEAH, I, WELL, I MEAN, I CAN GET IT TO YOU. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A, IT IS A, IT'S, I MEAN, IT, IT IS A, WE GOT A UNIVERSE OF THINGS THAT ARE INVESTIGATED IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS, BUT WE'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION IN A, IN A, UM, ON PAPER IF, IF, UH, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS LIKE, CAN WE ASK FOR EXEMPTIONS TO, UM, TO CHAPTER 1 74? OR, OR, OR I GUESS IT WOULD BE CHAPTER 1 43 IF WE YEAH, WE CAN. 
          NO, NO, MA'AM. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR, UH, FOR LEGAL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          ANDY, I, I OR ERIC, I THINK REMEMBER LIZ WHEN SHE COVERED, UH, GO AHEAD, LIZ. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THAT THAT'S OKAY. 
          COUNCILWOMAN, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT IS THE METHOD BY WHICH WE GET EXEMPTIONS OR THAT WE OVERRIDE OR SUPPLANT CHAPTER 1 43. 
          SO THOSE TWO WORK IN TANDEM. 
          SO DEPENDING ON WHAT, UM, WE'RE SEEKING TO DO, IT WOULD DEPEND WHETHER IT NEEDS AN OVERRIDE OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, R GARCIA, GO NOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO MARIA, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, GET SOME OF THE INFORMATION I REQUESTED THE LAST TIME? UH, YES, COUNCILWOMAN, UM, OVERALL FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, GOT A TOTAL OF $5.2 MILLION IN GRANTS. 
          AND THOSE GRANTS INCLUDE, UM, DRUG TRAFFICKING, UH, GRANTS RELATED TO AUTO CRIMES, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, UM, AS WELL AS OUR COPS GRANT, WHICH ALLOWS US FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS. 
          WE GOT THAT GRANT IN 2018 FOR 25 OFFICERS AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE THE GRANTS THAT WE HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT $5.2 MILLION WE GOT FROM ON THOSE GRANTS REQUIRE A CITY MATCH OF ABOUT $5.5 MILLION. 
          AND THAT'S FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020. 
          UM, YOU HAD ALSO ASKED ABOUT THE APPLICATION THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE, TO THE FEDERAL GRANT FOR THE COPS GRANT FOR 2020, FOR 25 POLICE OFFICERS TO BE DEDICATED TO ASSIST WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. 
          THE PROGRAM IS FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR YEARS. 
          THE TOTAL PROGRAM IS 12 AND A HALF MILLION, AND OF THAT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDES 3.1 MILLION, AND THEN THE CITY MATCHES 9.4 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR THAT. 
          AND I HAD ALSO ASKED ABOUT EQUIPMENT THAT WAS NOT RELATED TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I JUST KNOW WOULD, I THINK, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CAMERAS WERE NOT RELATED TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE RADIOS WERE NOT PART OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, IS IT? AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S FUNDING OUTSIDE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, UM, THAT PERHAPS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD BE SPENT DIFFERENTLY. 
          UM, IS THAT, UH, UH, SO ARE THERE OTHERS THAT I'M NOT, UM, THAT I DIDN'T MENTION OR THAT COME TO MIND? JUST TO, UM, ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 BUDGET AND OUR GENERAL FUND, THE BUDGET FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS $479 MILLION. 
          OF THAT, UH, CLOSE TO 80% IS COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED. 
          SO THAT INCLUDES, UM, 
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SALARIES AND HEALTHCARE, UM, ALL THE BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PENSION. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, MARIA, YOU'RE BREAKING UP, UP. 
          UM, BUT, UM, SO I, I, YOU'RE BREAKING UP A BIT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M ASKING, I I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALSO GOT A GRANT THAT WAS RELATED TO EQUIPMENT, UM, MORE OR LESS MILITARY STYLE EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE COLLECTING BARGAINING AGREEMENT. 
          AND, UM, I, I KNOW THAT I HAD REQUESTED AN INVENTORY OFFLINE. 
          UM, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER. 
          UM, PERHAPS IT WAS IN THE AREA OF AROUND ANOTHER 4 MILLION. 
          COUNCILMAN, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. 
          I, I DON'T SHOW THAT GRANT ON, ON MY LIST, WHICH IS IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET DOCUMENT, BUT I WILL CIRCLE BACK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, AND GET BACK TO YOU. 
          BUT I'M, I'M NOT, UM, AWARE OF THAT GRANT THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          SO WHAT I I, I, I THINK MY STAFF WAS WORKING ON A, ONE OF THE, AN INVENTORY ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WE SPENT WITH THAT MONEY. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I, THE, WHAT I, WHAT I GUESS I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THERE IS A LOT OF FUNDING, UH, FOR THINGS THAT, THAT ARE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT MAYBE DON'T NEED TO BE. 
          AND, AND THAT'S COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES, EVEN AS WE DETERMINED THAT 62 OR 66% OF THE BUDGET WENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCREPANCY, EVEN AT THE TIME OVER THE YEARS, THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THAT FUNDING SHOULD NOT BE ASSIGNED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THE ISSUE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS WAS ONE, UH, REGARDING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR HOMELESSNESS OR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          UH, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, AND CERTAINLY, UM, AS SOME OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED, IT IS TRUE THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE REQUESTED, UH, AS THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          I'VE MENTIONED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY DON'T WANNA PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND SO, JUST LIKE WE'VE LISTENED TO ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS IN THE PAST WHEN THEY SAID THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS PUBLIC SAFETY, NOW THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT THAT, PERHAPS IT THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          AND IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT EQUITY, AND WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT ADDRESSING RACISM IN THIS CITY, UH, WHICH, UM, WE SAY THAT WE ARE, UH, THEN WE NEED TO DO THAT IN THE BUDGET. 
          JUST LIKE WE SAY THAT THE BUDGET IS A MORAL DOCUMENT. 
          UM, WELL, NOW IT'S TIME TO ADDRESS THAT MORAL OBLIGATION OF RACISM IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          WE KNOW THAT IT'S ALWAYS EXISTED. 
          UH, IT'S JUST THAT NOW FINALLY, WE'RE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THEY WANT US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN DO OUTSIDE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. 
          AND THAT COULD BE A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP OF, UM, THE WAY THAT WE DEAL WITH, UH, INEQUITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH MY COLLEAGUES. 
          SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GOING TO, UH, FOLLOW UP ON THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S COMMENTS. 
          UH, WE HAVE LIMITATIONS, UH, WITH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, BUT LET'S BE HONEST, WE CAN'T CONTROL THOSE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR, UM, A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO USE THE ENTIRE RECORD OF A POLICE OFFICER. 
          I COULD TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT THERE'S AN EIGHT YEAR EVER GROW EVERGREEN CLAUSE IN THAT. 
          THAT MEANS THAT WE COULD BE WAITING, UH, ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS FOR THAT TO CHANGE. 
          BUT WHAT WE DO CONTROL, LIKE THE COUNCIL WOMAN SAID, IS THE BUDGET. 
          AND, UH, OF COURSE, UM, THE STAFF, WELL, AT LEAST ERIC, I GUESS, REPORTS TO US. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO REVISIT THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS ARE TELLING US AND WHO HAVE COME TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE AROUND POLICE OFFICERS, THAT THEY DON'T WANNA SEE OUR POLICE OFFICERS DISPROPORTIONATELY POLICING AND, UH, AND KILLING, UH, BLACK AND BROWN INDIVIDUALS. 
          SO I, I SAW THE NEXT STEP SLIDE, BUT I, I GUESS I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR, WHETHER IT IS ERIC OR THE CHIEF OR MARIA, TELL ME HOW CAN WE ENSURE THEM OF THAT? WELL, UM, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          I, I DON'T THINK, UM, UH, WE WILL, UH, CHANGE THE CULTURE OF, AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, HOW POLICE DEPARTMENTS WERE CREATED. 
          WE CAN, UH, REBUILD THE CULTURE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE CROSSROADS THAT WE'RE ALL AT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE ANSWER, UM, UH, ONE SOLUTION. 
          IT, IT'S 
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NOT JUST STATE LAW. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THE CONTRACT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST POLICY CHANGES. 
          IT'S NOT JUST TRAINING. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION ABOUT, ABOUT BUDGET. 
          IT IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS AT ONCE. 
          AND, AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY I THINK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO FIGURE OUT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS, UH, UH, COVID TIME THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE IN, AND THAT WE WILL LIKELY BE IN HOW WE ARE ENGAGING OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND HOW WE ARE LISTENING TO THEM. 
          I, I THINK IT'S GONNA, I, I THINK THERE ARE OBVIOUS THINGS FROM, FROM MY STANDPOINT, UM, AND, AND I WON'T EVEN SAY OFFICER, I'LL SAY EMPLOYEE. 
          UM, THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE HAVE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, REGARDLESS OF THE JOB THEY DO, ARE THE EXPECTATIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS. 
          AND, AND WE EXPECT GOOD BEHAVIOR, UH, FOR THE, THE, THE PUBLIC RESOURCES THAT WE'RE UTILIZING TO PROVIDE SERVICES. 
          AND I, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. 
          AND I, I, I FEEL, UM, I, I FEEL COUNCILWOMAN SULLIVAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE IMMEDIACY OF THE ISSUE. 
          UM, AND, AND I FEEL IT TOO, THAT I THINK WE ALL FEEL THE SENSE OF URGENCY. 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. 
          THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY THINGS AS THE MAYOR CAN, UH, SUMMARIZE THAT ARE, UH, UH, THAT COULD BE CODE CONTROLLED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. 
          THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE COUNCIL, AS YOU POINTED OUT, AND SOME THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH PARTNERS OUTSIDE THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE, UH, A DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT, THAT THERE A CHANGE NEEDS TO OCCUR. 
          AND, AND, UH, WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A, A MULTIPLE PHASE PLAN THAT, THAT FOLLOWS MULTIPLE PATHS. 
          THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT. 
          THANK YOU, ERIC. 
          UH, I AGREE. 
          I THINK IT IS ALL, ALL HANDS, ALL ON DECK. 
          ALL SOLUTIONS ARE ON, ON THE TABLE. 
          UM, I JUST, I WANNA REDIRECT THIS A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, I'VE HEARD THE CHIEF A NUMBER OF TIMES SAY, WE CANNOT ARREST THESE PROBLEMS AWAY. 
          UM, YET OVER THE YEARS, WE CONTINUE TO SEND OUR, OUR OFFICERS INTO NEIGHBORHOODS WITH CRIME, AND WE EXPECT CRIME TO GO DOWN. 
          AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ENSURING THAT THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THOSE FAMILIES ALWAYS HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, DO RESIDENTS HAVE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO EARN A DECENT LIVING? DO THOSE WITH ADDICTION PROBLEMS, HAVE ACCESS TO TREATMENT CENTERS? SAME FOR MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. UM, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE OUR HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES ARE UNDERFUNDED, AND WE'RE EXPECTING THE POLICE TO FILL THAT GAP. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S SETTING US UP FOR FAILURE. 
          AND THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE ENTIRELY UNREALISTIC. 
          IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE OFFICERS. 
          IT, IT'S NOT FAIR TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, WITH INSTEAD REINVESTING IN ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY BE BETTER EQUIPPED TO DO SOME OF THIS WORK. 
          LIKE STANDUP SA MY BROTHER'S KEEPER, THE, THE TRUTH IS CALLING ON SOMEONE WHO CARRIES A FIREARM AND HANDCUFFS THAT SHOULDN'T BE A LAST RESORT. 
          IT SHOULDN'T. 
          9 1 1 SHOULD NOT BE THE FIRST NUMBER THAT WE CALL. 
          AND I WANNA SAY THAT I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE WITH THE PHILOSOPHY THAT THE ONLY WAY I CAN WALK SAFELY DOWN MY STREET IS IF I HAVE MORE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND IN FACT, USING THAT TO REFER TO TWO OF OUR DEPARTMENTS IS AN ABSOLUTE MISNOMER. 
          THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          SO, UM, AND I'LL CLOSE WITH, UH, ONE OF, OF THE POLICIES IN YOUR SLIDE SAYS THAT WE ASK, UH, OFFICERS TO EXHAUST ALL ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SHOOTING. 
          BUT IF WE DON'T ADEQUATELY FUND OUR OTHER SYSTEMS, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SAY WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL OF OUR OTHER OPTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO TRULY THANK, UM, SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, PARTNERS AND SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS AND LEADERS. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK TIA GIBSON FOR MONSTER MOMS, THE INTERFAITH LEADERS ALPHA PHI ALPHA FRATERNITY, CHRIS OS FROM THE WAR PROJECT, BRANDY COLEMAN FROM LEMONADE CIRCLE. 
          AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ALSO THANK MY UNCLE LARRY THOMPSON AND MY AUNT ETNA NE, WHO WERE BOTH SAN ANTONIO POLICE OFFICERS. 
          AND ONE THING THAT I NOTICED THAT MY UNCLE DID WAS RETIRE BECAUSE AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, HE DID NOT SEE THAT THERE WAS ROOM FOR HIM TO BE PROMOTED, TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST OTHER OFFICERS THAT LOOKED LIKE HIM, TO COME ONTO A FORCE KNOWING THAT WE ONLY HAVE EIGHT AFRICAN AMERICAN FEMALES AND 111 AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES 
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THAT SERVE ON THE FORCE, TRULY SPEAKS TO THE DISPARITY THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THOSE INDIVIDUALS. 
          BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN MINIMALIZED FOR FAR TOO LONG, I LIKE TO SEE THAT AN INDEPENDENT ETHICS OFFICER BE IMPLEMENTED AND TO OVERSEEING THE COMPLAINTS AND THE INVESTIGATION PROCESSES. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO THE SAFETY. 
          PEOPLE IN SAN ANTONIO RARELY FEEL SAFE BY JUST CALLING 9 1 1, BECAUSE CALLING 9 1 1 BRINGS THEM TO BECOME THE SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION. 
          INSTEAD OF BEING HELPED BY POLICE OFFICERS. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU JUST HEAR ON A DAILY BASIS, THEIR FEAR OF DRIVING DOWN A ROAD, BECAUSE DRIVING DOWN A ROAD AND YOU DON'T LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, YOU ARE DEEMED TO BE THE CRIMINAL. 
          SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE REFORMS FIRST AND FOREMOST. 
          BUT THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE PAID AND BACK PAY DUE TO ARBITRATION AND OVERTURN AND OVERTURN A TERMINATION OF OFFICERS? AND THEN ALSO, HOW MANY OF THOSE OFFICERS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR BADGE OR BEEN TERMINATED HAVE GONE TO OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND BEEN HIRED WITHOUT THE UNDERSTANDING OF THEM VIOLATING THEIR OATH OR BEING TERMINATED DUE TO MISCONDUCT. 
          COUNCILWOMAN, UH, ON THE BACK PAY, I, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT COUNCILWOMAN GRO ASKED AS WELL, AND WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT, UM, UH, FORMER EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING AT OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT, ENFORCEMENT, UH, AGENCIES, UM, UH, ANDY OR, OR THE CHIEF, I I, I'M ASSUMING THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          WE ARE, WE, WE, WE ARE AWARE OF CERTAIN INSTANCES OF, UH, FOR EITHER EMPLOYEES OF THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT, OR FOR EXAMPLE, BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF OR OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER SOME DISCIPLINARY PROCESSES. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILWOMAN THAT CAN THEN GO AND WORK AT OTHERS. 
          UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A STATE DATABASE THOUGH, THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. 
          MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK TO IN TERMS OF, OF REFORMS IS, IS HAVING SUCH A DATABASE SO THAT ANYTIME A JURISDICTION IS HIRING, UH, THEY CAN BE AWARE OF WHAT DISCIPLINARY ACTION WAS, WAS, IF ANY, WAS HANDLED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ANDY. 
          AND THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THOSE ARE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. 
          UM, BEFORE I WRAP UP, UH, CHIEF, DID YOU WANNA MAKE ANY FILE REMARKS ON, ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TODAY? YES, SIR. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, SO, UH, LET ME JUST REFER BACK TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL'S COMMENTS AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CANNOT RESOLVE THE, UH, SYSTEMIC SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC ISSUES, UM, UH, IN, IN, IN CITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. 
          AND EVERY CITY THAT I'VE WORKED IN, FROM WASHINGTON, DC TO HERE HAVE THOSE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS. UH, SO I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT. 
          AND, UH, NUMBER TWO, UH, I'VE SPOKEN TO A FEW OF THE LEADERS, UH, DURING THE PAST, UH, WEEK AND A HALF OR SO, AND I'VE SAID TO THEM THAT, UM, UM, I AGREE WITH THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE PROTESTING, UH, FOR, UH, AND THAT WE STAND WITH THEM, UH, REGARDING THOSE, THOSE SPECIFIC ISSUES. 
          AND I WILL SAY LASTLY, THAT, UH, ANY POLICY THAT I CAN IMPROVE, UH, I WILL DO IT AND I WILL DO IT QUICKLY. 
          I WILL MOVE FAST TO GET THAT DONE, AND I WILL GET A REPORT BACK TO Y'ALL, UH, ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE CAMPAIGN ZERO ISSUES. 
          UH, THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR THAT CHIEF. 
          UM, IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          UM, ERIC, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA CLOSE OUT BEFORE I I, UM, ADJOURN THE MEETING? ANY FINAL STATEMENTS? UH, NO. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, I, I'M, I'M GLAD THE CHIEF REITERATED THAT LAST POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, MAYOR, ONE OTHER THING. 
          SO, SO A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, UH, WE'LL COMPILE THAT, UH, WE WILL SHARE THAT WITH THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, UM, AND, UH, AND GET ALL THAT INFORMATION, UH, PUSHED OUT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, ERIC AND I, AND I'LL BE FOLLOWING UP, UH, WITH COUNCIL AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY, UM, WHO'S LISTENING. 
          I ALSO WANNA THANK OUR COLLEAGUES. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION AND, UH, WE KNOW, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          IT IS A TIME FOR ACTION, A TIME FOR ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS THERE. 
          AT THE END, CHIEF, WE KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY, UH, TO BE RESPONSIVE AND THAT WE KNOW WE ALSO HAVE TO 
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LAY OUT AN AGENDA AT MULTIPLE LEVELS OF AUTHORITY HERE TO REALLY ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT, IT IS, WE DO HAVE A CITIZENS BE HEARD. 
          UH, HEARING TONIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK, AND I KNOW WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE SIGNED UP OVER AT SUBMITTED COMMENTS. 
          UH, SO PLEASE BE READY FOR THAT. 
          IT'S SIX O'CLOCK, UH, BUT THE TIME IS NOW 5:27 PM AND THE CITY COUNCIL B SESSION, UH, B SESSION IS NOW ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
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