* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] SOON. WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING. UH, BEFORE WE START TODAY'S MEETING, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE AT LAST WEEK'S LISTENING SESSIONS. WE HAD A GREAT TURNOUT, UH, BOTH VIRTUALLY AND IN PERSON. AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS THE INPUT WAS INVALUABLE AND PROVIDED CRITICAL INFORMATION FOR US TO DEVELOP POLICIES GOING FORWARD. SO WE'RE, UH, I'M EXCITED THAT, THAT WE HAD SUCH A GREAT TURNOUT AND WE REALLY GOT TO HEAR PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY SPEAK. AND THAT WILL CONTINUE. UM, MAY NOT IN SUCH A FORMAL WAY, BUT WE WANNA CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM YOU AND KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING. MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL. I THINK YOU MIGHT BE MUTED. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREWS SULLIVAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY HERE. AND CHAIRWOMAN CAVEO HRA. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK. UH, [1. 20-3897 Approval of the June 15, 2020 Public Safety Committee Listening Session Minutes] FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF JUNE 15TH, 2020. COMMITTEE LISTENING SESSION. MINUTES. IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. YOU WANT A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. WITH A MOTION AND SECOND BEING MADE, PLEASE VOTE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. [2. 20-3898 Briefing and possible action on a San Antonio Police Department grant application and award from the Office of the Governor Public Safety Office, Criminal Justice Division for DNA Testing reimbursement in an up to amount of $275,000 for the period of October 1, 2019 to September 30, 2020. No City Match is required. [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief, Police]] SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT GRANT APPLICATION AND AWARD FROM THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR'S PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE, CRIMINAL JUSTICE DIVISION FOR D N A TESTING REIMBURSEMENT IN AN AMOUNT UP, UH, UP TO 275,000 FOR THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 1ST, 2019 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020. NO CITY MATCHES REQUIRED. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THOUGH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN SUBMITTED SOME STRATEGIES. DO YOU MIND ADDRESSING THOSE STRATEGIES? COUNCILWOMAN? UM, THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU MARIA. UM, FOR, FOR STEPPING IN AND HELPING ME, UM, WITH THE STRATEGIES THAT WE SUBMITTED, UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED SEEING THE PRO, WELL, THE DEMONSTRATORS, I WILL NOT CALL THEM PROTESTORS 'CAUSE THEY'RE DEMONSTRATING THEIR RIGHTS. SO THE DEMONSTRATORS, UM, WERE TRULY SPEAKING OUT ABOUT INJUSTICE AS A, A WHOLE, UM, NOT JUST HERE IN THE CITY, BUT AS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC ON TOP OF THE ONE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING WITH C OVID 19. AND, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS POLICE REFORM AND, AND PUSHING FORWARD, UM, WE'RE DOING, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING ENOUGH OF. AND SO, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE REQUESTING, UH, WHEN IT CAME TO, UH, LOOKING AT POLICE CAMERAS AND HOW DO THEY TRULY FUNCTION AND HOW DO WE USE THOSE CAMERAS WHEN WE COME TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, TRULY HAVING OFFICERS ENGAGE WITH THAT COMMUNITY, NOT JUST WITH THE BUSINESS, UM, OFFICIALS, AND NOT JUST THE LEADERS, BUT THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES. MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING TO THE NEEDS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES. UNDERSTANDING THE FIGHT OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, UNDERSTANDING WHERE A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED, TRULY ARE, UM, BEFORE STEPPING INTO THAT COMMUNITY, MAKING SURE THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO APPROACH AND TALK TO PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT HAVEN'T SEEN, UM, THE JUSTICE THAT THEY ARE REQUIRING OR ASKING FOR ACTUALLY BE SERVED. UM, AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TO FIREARM USAGE, MAKE THAT THE LAST AND FINAL RESORT. UM, IF AN INDIVIDUAL FEARS FOR THEIR LIFE, GETTING OUT OF A CAR A GUN SHOULD NOT BE THE WAY TO GET THAT PERSON TO COMPLY. UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WERE REALLY ASKING FOR, FOR THAT TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT AND MENTAL LOOK AT MENTAL HEALTH AND MENTAL ILLNESS, AND HOW DO WE TRULY SPEAK TO MENTAL HEALTH ILLNESS? AND ARE THE POLICE REALLY THE PERSON TO DO THE MENTAL, UH, ILLNESS? AND SO LOOKING AT MAYBE HAVING SOCIAL SERVICES, WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES, UM, AND THEN HAVING EVALUATION OF HOW TO TRULY USE THOSE SERVICES AS WE WE GO FORWARD. SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, UM, DURING THE, THE LENS OF, OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, UM, WITHIN OUR POLICING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AND THEN AS WE LOOKED AT NO-KNOCK WARRANTS AND KNOWING THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS. HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL WITHIN THE YEARS, UM, THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. AND THEN ACTUALLY PUTTING FORTH, UM, [00:05:01] PROCEDURES THAT WILL CLOSE UP THE EXCEPTIONS IN THE LOOPHOLES WHEN IT COMES TO THE NO CHOKE AND, UH, NO KNEE RESTRAINT, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD. AND, AND THEN FINALLY HELPING ALL OFFICERS TRULY STEP IN AND INTERVENE, UM, TO WHERE THEY DO NOT HAVE A FEAR OF RETALIATION OR A FEAR OF WHISTLE BLOWING, OR A FEAR OF BEING CALLED SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE CITIZEN THAT STEPPED UP WITHIN THEIR OATH TO PROTECT ANOTHER ONE'S LIFE AND TRULY STEP INTO THE MISSION OF PROTECT AND SERVE. AND FINALLY, IS TO PUT FORTH A DECLARATION OF RACISM AS IT, UM, LOOKS AT THE SCOPE OF A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR. IT'S NOT SO MUCH TO JUST FULLY DEFUND THE POLICE, BUT GIVE US A FORCE THAT IS TRULY THERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE. NOT ONE THAT I SHOULD BE IN FEAR OF PICKING UP A PHONE TO CALL NINE ONE ONE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING AND LISTENING TO, AND TRULY SPEAKING TO THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE OFFICERS AND THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT SERVES. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND, AND MAKING REAL CHANGE ALONG THESE LINES AND APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS. UM, SO THIS, WE'LL GO ON TO THE SECOND ITEM. IF, UH, MARIA, ARE YOU MAKING THE PRESENTATION? GOOD AFTERNOON. MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. UM, FOR THIS SECOND ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, LIEUTENANT JESSE SALAME, WHO'S GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THE GRANT. AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE CHIEF MCMANUS HERE, UH, AVAILABLE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JESSE. I, UH, THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. UM, THIS PRESENTATION TODAY IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT AS IT DOESN'T CHANGE OUR PROCESS, UH, IN SO MUCH AS THE, THE WAY WE DO THINGS, THIS IS, UH, A FINANCIAL, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT'S CHANGING. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PASS UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE DO AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO, UH, I'LL START BY TELLING YOU THAT AGAIN, THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE. UH, PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULD DO IS WE WOULD SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT, WHICH WAS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, UH, UH, VIA THE CRIME VICTIMS COMPENSATION FUND, UH, FOR THE TESTING OF THESE SANE EXAMINATIONS. UH, WHAT HAS NOW BEEN, UH, DONE THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR IS THEY ARE NOW ISSUING A GRANT, UH, THAT IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 20. THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE DONE IT, AND, UH, WE'RE PARTICIPATING, IT IS GONNA BE ASSOCIATED WITH VICTIMS AND MEN SANE EXAMS. AND THERE'S ALSO SOME RELATED TESTING, THINGS THAT ARE, ARE GOING TO BE, UH, COVERED AS WELL. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT BUCCAL SWAB, WHICH ARE CHEEK SWABS, UH, CLOTHING, CLOTHING, BEDDING, AND EVIDENCE THAT'S COLLECTED FROM A CRIME SCENE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT THE STATE HAS IMPLEMENTED, AND THAT'S BEEN DONE TO, UH, HELP THEM WITH THEIR FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO THE REIMBURSEMENTS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, LET'S TALK A BIT ABOUT WHAT A SANE EXAM IS FOR THOSE, UH, THAT ARE NEW TO THE COMMITTEE. UM, THIS IS A MEDICAL EXAMINATION THAT IS USED TO COLLECT POSSIBLE EVIDENCE FOLLOWING A SEXUAL ASSAULT. UM, A WE CAN TAKE EVIDENCE UP TO 96 HOURS ACCORDING TO BEST PRACTICES AFTER THE INCIDENT. UH, IN SOME CASES IT'S UP TO 120 HOURS. IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. THE EXAM IS VERY, VERY COMPREHENSIVE. IT TAKES, UH, TWO TO FOUR HOURS TO COMPLETE. UM, AND THEY'RE CONDUCTED BY FORENSIC NURSES. AND FORENSIC NURSES ARE SPECIALLY TRAINED IN MEDICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL, AND FORENSIC EXAMINATIONS OF, UH, SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS. UM, THE FORENSIC NURSES WILL ALSO CONDUCT THE FORENSIC EXAMINATION ON SUSPECTS. UH, THOSE ARE DONE IN TWO HOSPITALS. ADULTS GO TO METHODIST, UH, SPECIALTY AND TRANSPLANT, AND CHILDREN GO TO, UH, SANTA ROSA CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL TO GET THAT CONDUCTED. UH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE HEAD TO TOE EXAMINATIONS. THEY'RE VERY, VERY INTRUSIVE. AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UH, THE SANE NURSES HAVE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKGROUND AND THE TRAUMA, UH, BACKGROUND TO TREAT THE, THESE VICTIMS. UH, WITH, WITH THE, UH, ULTIMATE DIGNITY, UH, DURING THESE EXAMINATIONS, UH, THEY'RE DONE FOR TWO PURPOSES. ONE IS THE VICTIM MAY REQUIRE MEDICAL TREATMENT. UH, [00:10:01] THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO SOME DISEASE, THEY MAY HAVE AN INJURY. UH, THERE MAY BE A PREGNANCY. AND THE OTHER, UH, IS ALSO IMPORTANT IS TO OBTAIN AND, UH, PRESERVE EVIDENCE. IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL IN THE PROSECUTION, UM, DOWN THE ROAD. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE'VE GOT TWO TYPES OF OFFENDERS, UH, TWO TYPES OF CASES. ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE GOT CASES WITH KNOWN OFFENDERS AND CASES WITH UNKNOWN OFFENDERS. UM, ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL CRIME, UH, VICTIMIZATION SURVEY, IT'S, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 80% OF THE VICTIMS KNOW THEIR OFFENDERS. THE OFFENDERS ARE RELATIVES, ACQUAINTANCES, UH, EX, EX EX, UH, INTIMATE PARTNERS, SPOUSES, FRIENDS. AND SO, UM, IF, IF THEY'RE CAUGHT WITHIN THAT NINE, SIX HOUR TIME PERIOD, IF SOMEBODY CALLS RIGHT THEN AND THERE, UM, WE CAN TAKE BOTH THE VICTIM AND THE OFFENDER SEPARATELY, OF COURSE, TO THE, TO GET THE EXAMINATION CONDUCTED. UM, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A THOROUGH EXAMINATION ON THE OFFENDER, UH, WITH A, WITH A WARRANT. AND THEN, BECAUSE IT IS INTRUSIVE, UM, WHAT MOST OFTEN HAPPENS, UH, IS THERE'S A DELAY IN REPORTING OR FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, UH, WE DON'T CATCH THE OFFENDER RIGHT AWAY. AND SO WE WILL GO BACK LATER ON AND, AND CONDUCT THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT OF THE, UH, VICTIM IF IT FALLS WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. AND THEN WE WILL GET A, A BUCCAL SWAB OR SOME OTHER FORM OF D N A SAMPLE FROM THE, UH, OFFENDER. UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK IT'S A, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE WAY THESE INVESTIGATIONS GOING FORWARD, IS THE UNKNOWN OFFENDERS. SO WHAT YOU'LL DO IS GET A D N A PROFILE FROM A SANE EXAMINATION. UH, AND IT MAY NOT COME BACK TO ANYBODY THAT THE VICTIM DOESN'T KNOW WHO THE OFFENDER WAS. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S, THANKFULLY THAT IS A RARE, UH, OCCURRENCE, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. AND THAT IS, THAT INFORMATION IS, IS COLLECTED AND SENT TO, IT IS SENT BY THE CRIME LAB TO THE CODIS, THE COMBINED D N A INDEX SYSTEM, WHICH IS MANAGED BY THE F B I, AND THAT LIVES IN THERE FOREVER. AND THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS ON FILE. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UH, WE CAN COLLECT THAT AGAINST SAMPLES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME NEW LEGISLATION THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED LAST, UH, LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHERE PEOPLE THAT ARE BOOKED NOW FOR, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALMOST ANY, ANY FELONY OFFENSE, CERTAINLY CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS AND BURGLARIES, UH, AT THE TIME OF BOOKING, THEY'VE GOT, WHEN THEY ARE GIVING THEIR FINGERPRINTS, THEY'VE GOTTA GIVE A D N A SAMPLE AS WELL. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, AS THAT DATABASE BUILDS, UH, IF THERE'S ANY UNKNOWN OFFENDERS, IF THERE'S ANY UNSOLVED CASES, UM, THAT WILL HELP US TO CLEAR SOME OF THOSE UP. AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER CHANGE TO THE LAW THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT, UH, AGAIN, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SANE EXAMS AND THE FACT THAT THIS, THIS BIOLOGICAL AND D N A EVIDENCE IS, IS CRUCIAL TO SOLVE FOR THESE INVESTIGATIONS, UH, THEY, THEY CHANGED THE LAW THE WAY THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. UH, MEANING THAT THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT FOR A PERSON TO BE PROSECUTED, UH, IN SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES WHERE THERE'S NO BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE WHERE IT WASN'T COLLECTED OR IT HASN'T BEEN TESTED, OR THE SUBJECT OR THE SUSPECT WAS NOT D N A TESTED AND THERE WAS NO D N A ON FILE, OR WHEN WE HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE THAT THE, UH, SUSPECT IS A REPEAT OFFENDER. AND SO, AGAIN, UM, LOOKING TO CLOSE ALL OF THE, UH, POSSIBLE WAYS THAT SOMEBODY COULD MOVE TO DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AND GET AWAY WITH THESE, UH, THESE, UH, HEINOUS CRIMES. NEXT SLIDE. QUICKLY TAKE YOU THROUGH THE EXAM, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT LEADS TO THE SAME EXAM, BUT ALSO WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, WHAT, WHAT A TYPICAL, UH, CASE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN VERY BROAD TERMS WOULD LOOK LIKE. THE VICTIM WOULD MAKE THE REPORT OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT. UM, THE OFFICERS WOULD GO OUT AND TAKE THE REPORT, AND THEY WOULD FACILITATE MEDICAL AND AD ADVOCACY SERVICES, AND THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE RAPE CRISIS CENTER. UM, THEY WOULD THEN TRANSPORT THE VICTIM TO GET A SANE EXAM IF THE, IF THE VICTIM DECLINES OR DOESN'T WANT ONE, UH, WE, WE DON'T FORCE 'EM TO DO IT. BUT AGAIN, WE STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF IT DUE TO, UH, THE FACTORS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. IT IS IMPORTANT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO DISEASE, THAT THERE'S NO INJURY. AND ALSO TO HELP US WITH THE PROSECUTION, UM, IF, IF THEY FALL WITHIN THAT TIMELINE OR, OR IF THERE'S EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE TIMELINE, BUT WE MIGHT STILL BE ABLE TO RECOVER SOME BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE, WE'LL TAKE 'EM. AND THE CASE THEN GETS ASSIGNED TO SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT. THEY GET A STATEMENT FROM THE VICTIM, THEY GET STATEMENT FROM WITNESSES, THEY COLLECT ALL THE OTHER, UH, RELEVANT EVIDENCE. UH, THEY WILL COMPLETE THE CASE FILE AND SEND IT OVER TO THE DA'S OFFICE OF PROSECUTION, AND THEN THE D AND THEN THE D'S, AS IF CASES THAT ARE UNSOLVED OR MAYBE RELATED TO THIS ONE. NEXT SLIDE. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE MONEY PORTION OF IT. [00:15:01] SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020, THIS D N A GRANT TESTING PROGRAM, UH, THE GRANT AWARD IS UP TO $275,000. IT CAN BE USED FOR VICTIM AND OFFENDER SUSTAIN TESTING. AGAIN, IT CAN ALSO BE USED FOR OTHER TESTS THAT INCLUDE, UH, TESTING OF, UH, CLOTHING BEDDING, AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE RECOVERED FROM A CRIME SCENE. UM, LAST YEAR WE SPENT, UH, $274,750 TO ADMINISTER THE SANE EXAMS. UH, I AM, I'M JUST GUESSING HERE, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY CAME UP WITH THE 2 75. UM, BASED ON THAT, AND AGAIN, WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY BECAUSE IT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR COUNCIL TOMORROW FOR APPROVAL, AND I WANTED TO TALK, I, I KNOW THAT, UH, THE NUMBER IS, IS, IS A, IS A GRANT NUMBER, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CONTEXT BEHIND IT. SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I CAN AND TALK ABOUT HOW VITALLY IMPORTANT THE SAME EXAMS ARE TO US FOR, NOT JUST FOR VICTIM'S ADVOCACY, BUT ALSO FOR SOLVING THESE CASES. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY, MY PRESENTATION, AND I AM, UH, AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY ASK. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, WE'RE GONNA GO IN REVERSE ORDER TODAY. UM, SO WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN PERRY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST SAY PASS AND WE'LL MOVE ON. BUT WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN PERRY. YEAH, PASS SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PROGRAM. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, OFFICER, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION AND, UM, TO ALL THE TEAM FOR, FOR BRINGING THIS AND COUNCILWOMAN, I MEAN, CHAIR. I'M GLAD WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE, I DON'T SEE MYSELF VOTING AGAINST THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO DO THIS, BUT I DO THINK IT HELPS US UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BETTER AND GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. UM, SO I, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. UH, NUMBER ONE IS, UH, THE AMOUNT SPENT ON THIS LAST YEAR WAS 274,000. UH, HOW MANY CASES IS THAT FROM YOU? SO LAST YEAR WE COLLECTED AND PROCESSED 785 SANE EXAMS. SO, UH, EACH EXAM WAS THREE 50, UH, DOLLARS. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE COME THE 2 74, 7 50. OKAY. WERE THERE ANY REPORTED, UM, CRIMES THAT YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO CONDUCT THE SANE EXAM ON? UH, I'M SORRY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. IN TERMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, RIGHT? SEXUAL ASSAULT? MM-HMM. ? YES, MA'AM. YES. SOMETIMES THERE IS, UH, DUE TO A THE TIME LAST IN TIME, YES, MA'AM. MM-HMM. SO ABOUT HOW MANY ARE THOSE? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. UH, AVAILABLE. I CAN CERTAINLY CHECK TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TRACK. OKAY. SO THE THREE 50 COVERS THE EXAM MATERIALS AND THE FORENSIC NURSE SERVICES? YES. THAT'S, THAT'S THE COST THAT, THAT WE'RE PAYING OUT. UM, THE EXAM ITSELF AND THE, UM, AND THE KIT IS PROVIDED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, BUT FOR THE PROCESSING AND THE, AND THE LAB, THAT'S WHAT THE THREE FIFTY'S COVERING. OKAY. AND SO OF ALL OF THOSE GO TO THE DA AND HOW MANY OF THOSE END UP IN A TRIAL? THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION TO ANSWER FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THEY DON'T ALL GO TO, UH, NOT ALL CASES, EVEN WITH ALL OF THE EVIDENCE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, A, A, A CONFESSION, UH, AND, AND A WITNESS THAT'S COMPLAINING, UM, THEY MAY DECIDE THAT THEY NO LONGER WISH TO PROSECUTE. AND SO SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS. AND SO, UM, THE GOOD THING IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CASE LIKE THAT, THERE IS A 10 YEAR STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR ADULT VICTIMS, 20 YEARS FOR CHILDREN OR FOR ADOLESCENT VICTIMS. AND SO THERE IS SOME TIME FOR THEM TO, TO, TO COME AROUND AND, AND GATHER THE, THE COURAGE AND THE STRENGTH THAT IT TAKES TO PROCEED. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, MY LAST QUESTION, I WANTED TO REFER TO THE SLIDE WITH THE PROCESS ON IT. YOU HAD A LITTLE FLOW CHART. I THINK THAT'S SLIDE FIVE. THANK YOU. UM, SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE VIC, SORRY, THE FORENSIC NURSE HAVING, UH, SPECIALIZED TRAINING FOR WHAT HE OR SHE DOES. AND I THINK THAT SOUNDS GREAT. UM, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE IS, UH, IS THERE SPECIALIZED TRAINING FOR THE OFFICERS THAT TAKE THE REPORT? AND, UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE IS, [00:20:01] IN THE SECOND SQUARE IT SAYS OFFICERS INVESTIGATE, REPORT, ET CETERA. AND THEN IN THE FOURTH SQUARE IT SAYS, VICTIM STATEMENT TAKEN. DOES THAT MEAN THE VICTIM HAS TO GIVE HIS OR HER STATEMENT MORE THAN ONE TIME, OR HAS TO RECOUNT, UH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION? AND DOES THAT HAPPEN TO A PLAIN CLOTHES OFFICER, TO AN INVESTIGATOR? OR DOES THAT HAPPEN TO SOMEONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, SHOWING UP IN, IN FULL, UH, IN FULL GEAR? SO IF YOU COULD JUST TELL ME ABOUT THAT. SURE. THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL START FROM THE, THE FIRST QUESTION WAS AS FAR AS THE OFFICERS DO INVESTIGATE. SO INITIALLY WHEN THE CALL COMES IN, IT IS GOING TO BE A UNIFORM PATROL OFFICER THAT IS TYPICALLY NINE, NINE TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED IS GOING TO GET THAT CALL. THE OFFICER WILL RESPOND TO WHEREVER THEY'VE BEEN DISPATCHED TO, AND THEN THEY WILL TAKE THE REPORT, UH, THE OFFICERS DO, WE ALL RECEIVE SPECIAL TRAINING, UH, AT, AT THE CADET LEVEL. AND THEN WE RECEIVE IT, UH, PERIODICALLY THROUGH IN-SERVICE. AND IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE TRAINING IS, IS, IS DONE THROUGH THE RAPE CRISIS CENTER, AND IT IS DONE THROUGH OTHER ADVOCACY GROUPS. AND IT, IT REALLY TALKS ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THESE CASES, HOW WE REFER TO THESE VICTIMS, HOW WE DESCRIBE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE ME USING, USING THINGS IN MEDICAL TERMS, UH, UH, PROVIDING PSEUDONYMS, UH, FOR THEIR ANONYMITY. AND, AND ALSO COORDINATING WITH THE ADVOCACY SERVICES AND MAKING SURE, SO IN OUR POLICY, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE UNTIL SOMEONE FROM THE RAPE CRISIS CENTER HAS MADE CONTACT WITH THE VICTIM AND IS, AND, AND THEY STAY WITH THEM THE WHOLE TIME. IF, IF THEY'RE READY TO PROCEED AFTERWARDS, THEY WILL THEN GO AND GIVE A FORMAL STATEMENT TO A DETECTIVE. SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE TO RECOUNT THAT, UH, INCIDENT MORE THAN ONE TIME. UM, WE, AGAIN, WE TRY TO DO THAT IN, IN A WAY THAT IS, IS, IS, UH, SENSITIVE TO WHAT IT IS THAT IS JUST HAPPENED TO THAT, UH, VICTIM. BUT, UM, THE REALITY IS, IN, IN A LOT OF CASES, THEIR RECOLLECTION AFTER THE EXAM, AFTER THEY'VE TALKED TO THE SANE NURSE, THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO THE INVESTIGATOR THAN THEY WERE TO THE OFFICER. BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THAT IS A BIG, UH, ISSUE. AND THAT IS PROBABLY AN, UH, ONE OF MANY ISSUES, UH, THAT, THAT PEOPLE BRING FORTH, UH, WHEN THEY ARE RELUCTANT TO, UH, PROCEED OR EVEN MAKE AN OUTCRY. WE KNOW THAT SEXUAL ASSAULT IS VASTLY UNDER-REPORTED, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMBERS YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THEM. YEAH, IT IS. I THINK IN THE, OBVIOUSLY NOT AT THIS POINT, BUT IN THE FUTURE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, UH, WORTHY OF, OF DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THAT, I BELIEVE, WOULD DRIVE SOME OF THE UNDER-REPORTING. IF I HAVE TO RELIVE THAT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE THREE TIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE FIRST, WHEN YOU FIRST COME OUT WHEN I DO THE EXAM, THEN, UH, WHEN I GIVE MY FORMAL STATEMENT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THE CASE IS PROSECUTED, THAT'S ALL VERY, VERY TRAUMATIC. SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO, UH, SOMETHING FOR, FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION. BUT THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR YOUR VERY FRANK AND, UH, HELPFUL RESPONSES. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. COUNCILWOMAN , THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, , UH, LIEUTENANT FOR, FOR SHARING THIS. UM, SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT, THE 785 SANE EXAMS THAT WERE CONDUCTED, UM, THOSE, OR I'M SORRY, THE D N A, THE TESTS THAT WERE CONDUCTED, COULD WE DO MORE OR DO WE NEED TO DO MORE? UH, NO, MA'AM. WE, WE DO WHAT WHAT WE CAN. AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IN A PERFECT WORLD, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, CAPTURE THESE REPORTS RIGHT AS THEY HAPPEN OR SHORTLY AFTER THEY HAPPEN. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. AND SO I DON'T THINK IT IS A QUESTION OF, OF NOT HAVING THE CAPACITY OR THE ABILITY TO DO MORE. IT'S JUST THE, THE, FROM AN EVIDENTIARY STANDPOINT, OFFERING THAT. UM, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE OFFERED FOR THERAPEUTIC REASONS FOR SOMEONE WHO MAY WANT ONE, AND WE CERTAINLY, UH, OFFER THAT AS WELL. BUT, UM, THIS STRICTLY IS AT THIS POINT, UM, WHEN, WHEN AFTER IT HAPPENS, IF THERE'S TOO MUCH TIME THAT HAS ELAPSED, UM, THAT THAT PROCESS, AT LEAST FROM A STAIN EXAM PROCESS, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME, UH, IMPACT OR EFFECT THAT IT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT 96 TO 120 HOUR PERIOD, THE FOUR TO FIVE DAYS AFTER THE FACT. SO WE'VE HAD THIS, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HAD THIS GRANT? UH, HOW MANY YEARS IN A ROW HAVE WE HAD THIS GRANT? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER. PRIOR TO THIS, WE WOULD JUST PAY FOR THE, UH, THE, WE WOULD BILL THE, WE WOULD TAKE THE BILLS FROM THE HOSPITAL YES, MA'AM. AND THEN SEND AND SEND IT TO THE A'S OFFICE FOR REIMBURSEMENT. OKAY. AND SO, UH, WHAT ABOUT IN THE OTHER, UH, [00:25:01] HOW MANY, UM, OF THESE EXAMS HAVE WE HAD TO DO IN THE PAST TWO YEARS? DO YOU KNOW? I WANNA KNOW IF OUR, OUR NUMBERS ARE GOING UP OR IF THEY'RE STAYING THE SAME. SO, YEAR TO DATE SO FAR, WE, UH, HAVE, UH, 700, NO, I'M SORRY, 338. AND THAT'S 3 38 WITH THIS FISCAL YEAR TO DATE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, UM, THANK YOU TO, UH, MY COLLEAGUE ASKED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I DID REGARDING SPECIALIZED TRAINING. I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT, UM, WITH THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE, THE, UM, EXAM PROCESS. TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST ONE, IS THAT, UH, MANDATED BY THE STATE OR, OR, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A CASE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH VICTIM ADVOCATES OR WITH INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES WHO CAN HELP US MAKE IT A MORE, A SAFER PROCESS OR, UH, NOT AS, UM, UH, RELIVING THE PROCESS OVER AND OVER AGAIN? HAVE YOU, ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS DETERMINED STATUTORILY? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS STATUTORILY SO MUCH, BUT IT IS CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES. UH, AMONG, SO THEY'RE SUSTAINING EXAMINATION, OR THERE'S, UH, SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAMINATION NURSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. UM, THEY HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE COURTS. THEIR TESTIMONY HAS BEEN VERIFIED IS AND, AND SCIENTIFIC. SO IT'S PASSED ALL OF THE, THE, THE TESTS THAT ARE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO HAVE EVIDENCE ADMITTED INTO COURT. WHEN THEY GO INTO COURT, THEY'RE EXPERT, UH, AT WHAT THEY DO, UH, AS FAR AS THEIR TESTIMONY, THEIR CREDENTIALS, UH, THEIR LICENSES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS COME INTO FACTOR. UH, I, I RECOGNIZE THE, THE, UM, I RECOGNIZE THE ISSUES WITH HAVING TO HAVE SOMEBODY RELIVE THIS. UM, AND, AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE. I, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE BEST VICTIM CENTERED APPROACH THAT WE'VE EVER HAD WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO IMPROVE UPON THAT. UM, AGAIN, THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY, WHAT MAKES THIS SUCH A, UH, SUCH A HORRIBLE CRIME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THIS GOES TO TRIAL, UM, THE VICTIM HAS RECOUNTED THAT STORY PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WAY AROUND THAT. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, WE TRY TO LIMIT THAT THE OFFICER WILL GET BASIC, JUST THE VERY, THE BASIC FACTS TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THAT AN OFFENSE WAS COMMITTED, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS THERE PENETRATION, WAS FORCE USED. UH, THOSE, THOSE KIND OF VERY BASIC FACTS, THE DETECTIVES WILL THEN DIG IN TO THE MORE, UH, THE, THE MORE OF THE DETAILS. BUT AGAIN, THEN THEY'VE GOTTA TALK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY WANNA TALK TO AN ADVOCATE, UH, AND THEN PROVIDE DETAILS. THEY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO A PROSECUTOR AT SOME POINT. THEY LOOKING AT HAVING TO TAKE THE STAND AND, AND, AND, UH, TO BE CROSS EXAMINED BY A DEFENSE ATTORNEY ON THE CASES THAT MAKE IT THAT FAR. SO YES, IT IS A VERY DAUNTING TASK. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ATTENTION THAT'S BEEN FOCUSED ON, UH, ON, ON GETTING WOMEN SPECIFICALLY. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS 90 OVER 90% WOMEN AND CHILDREN, UH, THAT ARE AFFECTED, OR THEY'RE VICTIMS IN THIS, OVER 98% OF THE PERPETRATORS ARE MEN. UM, SO MM-HMM. , WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. WE JUST HAVE TO, UH, IF THERE'S WAYS TO IMPROVE IT, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO DOING, UH, TO DOING BEST PRACTICES. I THINK WE DO THE BEST, RIGHT. UH, OUT OF ANYBODY. AND I, AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THOSE GREAT LISTENING SESSIONS WHEN IT COMES TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND WE WERE LEARNING FROM, UM, THE, THE VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, OF WHAT IS WORKING AND WHAT IS NOT WORKING, AND WHERE ARE THE GAPS THAT WE HAVE. SO I'M THINKING THAT'S THE SAME TYPE OF MODEL WE CAN USE WITH THESE, UM, WITH THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WANTING TO SEE THE PROCESS, UM, BETTER AND HELPFUL FOR, UM, OTHERS THAT HAVE TO COME AFTER THEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE THAT COMMENT OUT HERE TO MY COLLEAGUES AND TO OUR CHAIR. AND THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT TRAINING THROUGH THE RAPE CRISIS CENTER. HOW OFTEN DOES THAT TRAINING HAPPEN? I KNOW THAT THEY COME OUT, UM, AT THE ACADEMY, SO THEY'RE VERY INVOLVED. AND WE ALSO TAKE A TOUR OVER AT THE CENTER, UH, WITH THE CADETS. AND THEN IT IS, UH, IT IS, SOME OF THAT IS, IS SCHEDULED BY TCO AND THE, AND WHEN TCO DOESN'T TAKE UP ALL OF OUR TRAINING BLOCKS, WE OF OUR TRAINING BLOCKS, WE WILL GET THE RAPE CRISIS CENTER TO COME OUT AND DO RETRAINING. UH, TYPICALLY IT'S WITHIN, IT'S EV WITHIN EVERY THREE YEARS. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, ITEM BESIDES THE, THE RACISM AND MENTAL HEALTH AND INVESTIGATIONS THAT WOULD, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE [00:30:01] HAPPENING. I THINK LOOKING AT THIS TRAINING AND HAVING, UM, A VICTIMS ADVOCATES, RAPE PRICING CENTER, OR OTHERS COMING OUT TO DO MORE TRAINING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, HELPFUL TO, FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION FOR, UM, TO MAKE BETTER, TO, TO BE BETTER. AND THEN, UM, THE COLLABORATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DA'S OFFICE, I THINK WE, I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS OF, UH, CONVICTIONS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, SOME PEOPLE, IT DOES GO TO COURT, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. BUT I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT CONTINUITY OF WHAT THE WORK, THE WORK THAT WE AT S A P D ARE DOING, AND WHAT, UM, THE OUTCOME IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE, TO THE DA'S OFFICE. I THINK THAT HELPS US WITH THE CONTINUITY, UM, HERE, BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY, WE'RE ONLY RESPONSIBLE WITH WHAT WE CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT I THINK IT'S, THE ONUS IS UPON US TO SEE IF WE ARE GETTING WHERE IT'S GOING AFTER THAT, AND HOW WE CAN PROTECT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE COLLABORATION AND THE COMMITMENT FROM THE DA'S OFFICE AND WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, AND SPECIFICALLY THE NUMBER. SO IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. UM, WITH THAT, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, OBVIOUSLY, AND, UH, I, I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE WITH THE TRAINING, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE VICTIMS' ADVOCACY GROUPS AND THE BRAVERY AND THE COURAGE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE COMING FORWARD AND GETTING THE APPROPRIATE ACTION, UH, THAT THEY NEED. AND, UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE A LISTENING SECTION, LISTENING SESSIONS, UH, JUST LIKE THE ONES HANDED, UH, HANDLED FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, UH, I HAVE A BIT OF A CONCERN ABOUT MAYBE MAKING THEM ANONYMOUS DUE TO THE SENSITIVITY OF THE NATURE OF THE CRIME COMMITTED AGAINST THEM. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, UM, WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THAT PROCESS FOR OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREWS SULLIVAN. UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, I'LL PASS. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. UH, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, OFFICER. UH, IN MY PRIVATE LAW PRACTICE, I'VE HAD SEVERAL CLIENTS WHO'VE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEEN VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH, THEY HAVE A DIFFICULTY TALKING TO, UM, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT IS A WOMAN THAT WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY A MAN, THEY HAVE DIFFICULTY TALKING WITH A MAN, UH, AN OFFICER, AN ADVOCATE. THEY, THEY HAVE THAT, THAT FEAR, UH, THAT LINGERS. DO WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT POSSIBLE IF THEY, IF THEY EXPRESS THAT CONCERN, TO HAVE THEM TALK TO INDIVIDUALS WHO THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, MA'AM. WE DO. AND THEN WE WILL, UH, GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND, AND IF IT MEANS THAT WE'VE GOT A WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER UNTIL WE CAN FIND, FIND, UH, SOMEONE THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OR CALL SOMEBODY IN, WE, WE DO THAT. OKAY. AND FOR CHILD, UH, FOR VICTIMS OF, UH, CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ASSAULT, DO WE OFFER THEM SPECIAL, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE SPECIALLY TRAINED TO, TO TALK WITH CHILDREN? YES, WE DO. YEAH. SO WE HAVE, UH, FORENSIC INTERVIEWERS OVER AT CHILD SAFE, AND THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF, OF WORKING WITH THE CHILDREN ON THEIR LEVEL AND, AND GETTING INFORMATION, UH, THAT THE DETECTIVES AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE CERTIFIED AS EXPERT WITNESSES AS WELL. AND SO THEY GO IN AND TESTIFY THAT IS A SPECIALTY ALL UNTO ITSELF, AND THEN VERY VALUABLE FOR HELPING US TO PROSECUTE THOSE CASES. OKAY. ONE LAST QUESTION I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. THIS GRANT IS A REIMBURSEMENT TO THE CITY TO COVER COSTS THAT THE CITY HAS, UM, INCURRED IN PROCURING AND, AND, UH, PERFORMING THESE TESTS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND EVERYONE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADVANCE THIS ITEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. AYE AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THE THIRD [3. 20-3900 Briefing and possible action on the results of the three Public Safety Listening Sessions held on Monday June 15, Thursday June 18, and Saturday June 20 and SAPD actions to date. [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager]] ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RESULTS OF THE THREE PUBLIC SAFETY LISTENING SESSIONS HELD ON MONDAY, JUNE 15TH, THURSDAY, JUNE 18TH, AND SATURDAY JUNE 20TH. AND S A P D S A P D ACTIONS TO DATE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, MARIA VGO, THE PD CITY MANAGER, AND THIS PRESENTATION IS PROVIDED, UH, TO PROVIDE THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE WITH A REPORT ON THE, THE COMMENT THAT WE GOT FROM OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF, UH, POLICING HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ASKED US TO HOST, UH, THREE LISTENING SESSIONS, [00:35:01] AND THOSE HAPPENED LAST WEEK, UH, MONDAY, JUNE 15, THURSDAY, JUNE 18, AND SATURDAY JUNE 20TH. UH, WE PROVIDED SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE, UM, COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE TO INCLUDE, UH, CALLING IN, UH, FOR THOSE, UM, SESSIONS THAT WERE VIRTUAL AND SOME MEETING COMMENTS AS WELL. AND WE ALSO HAVE PARTICIPATION IN AN IN-PERSON MEETING THAT WE DID ON THURSDAY, JUNE 18, SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS PROVIDES A SUMMARY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE, AS WELL AS THE PARTICIPANTS THAT, UH, PARTICIPATED IN THIS LISTENING SESSIONS. SO WE HAD A TOTAL OF 306 PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, AND 35 VERBAL COMMENTS, UH, THAT WERE PROVIDED AT THE LISTENING SESSIONS. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS TABLE THE BREAKOUT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT OF THOSE, UM, EITHER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT INDICATED THEIR DISTRICT THAT THEY WERE, THAT WERE FROM, AND ALSO FROM THOSE THAT CHOSE NOT TO INDICATE THEIR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT. SO YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRIBUTION ACROSS, UH, OUR CITY. UH, WE THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR PARTICIPATING AND PROVIDING US THIS VALUABLE INPUT. UH, THE REPORT HAS BEEN COMPILED AND IS POSTED ONLINE. UH, IF THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN, IN READING ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, IF IT WOULD GO TO OUR REGISTRAR, UH, UH, PAGE OF THE CITY'S WEBSITE UNDER THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AGENDA FOR TODAY, FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, THEY CAN FIND THE REPORT, UH, IN DETAIL IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST TO PROVIDE THE COMMITTEE WITH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, WE RECEIVED A, A VERY GOOD, UH, DISTRIBUTION OF THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT THE COMMUNITY PROVIDED. UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS TO HIGHLIGHT 'EM, UH, CHANGES TO THE DISCIPLINE PROCESS WITHIN SS A P D, UH, POLICE REFORM COMMENTS ON REPEALING CHAPTER 1 43 AND 1 74, UH, REALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO OTHER SERVICES OR PRIORITIES OF, OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING SOCIAL SERVICES. UH, ONE, ONE COMMENT THAT WAS, UM, PREDOMINANT IN, IN THOSE WITHIN THAT CATEGORY WAS MENTAL HEALTH. UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE WERE ALSO, UH, MANY COMMENTS ON THE FUNDING THE POLICE. UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED COMMENTS ON NOT REDUCING THE POLICE BUDGET AND SUPPORT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS, UH, A MIX OF COMMENTS THAT RECEIVED, UH, FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT, UH, WE ARE PROVIDING TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY, UH, IN TERMS OF THE RESULT OF THIS LISTENING SESSION. NOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO, TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF AS THE DEPUTY C CITY MANAGER WHO OVERSEES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE HEARD, UH, THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, THE DIRECTION OF THIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IN TERMS OF YOUR EXPECTATIONS TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, UH, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO, UM, WE ARE, ARE WORKING THE CITY MANAGER, MYSELF, WITH CHIEF MCMANUS, UH, FOLLOWING THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE COMMITTEE, FROM THE COUNCIL, FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE BEGAN MAKING SOME CHANGES SPECIFICALLY TO THE USE OF FORCE, UH, PROCEDURE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, CHIEF MCMANUS, UM, SENT A MEMORANDUM TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON MONDAY OF THIS WEEK, HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THIS, UH, CHANGES. AND I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS TO THE COMMITTEE IN DETAIL, UH, SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THIS CHANGES. SO, WITH THAT MADAM CHAIR, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO CHIEF MCMANUS, UH, TO GO OVER THOSE, UH, CHANGES THAT HE IMPLEMENTED. UH, THANK YOU, MARIA AND, UH, MADAM CHAIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. GOOD AFTERNOON. BEFORE I START, I, I, I WANT TO JUST, UH, TALK ABOUT COOPERATION, UH, IN, IN THIS EFFORT OF CHANGE. ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS THAT I HAVE FOUND OVER THE YEARS, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING CHANGE, IS THAT NOT EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE. SOMEONE IS DISAGREEING ABOUT SOMETHING SOMEWHERE. AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE TODAY. UM, I WANT TO THANK, UH, SOME FOLKS HERE BEFORE I GET STARTED ON MY PRESENTATION. I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR, UM, HELPING US WITH THESE CHANGES, HELPING US MEETING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THESE CHANGES. I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE FOR HAVING THE PUBLIC, UH, LISTENING SESSIONS, UH, AND FOR THEIR INPUT IN, UH, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT, [00:40:01] THAT WE ARE HAVE DONE AND GETTING READY TO DO. I WANT TO THANK, UH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JADA, ANDREW SULLIVAN FOR HER INPUT AND HER RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, IN THESE CHANGES. I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGES THAT, UH, THESE CHANGES WILL BE MADE, UH, RATHER SMOOTHLY AND, UH, WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, UH, ACRIMONIOUS DISCUSSION, IF YOU WILL. SO, UH, ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE IT. AND, UH, LET ME, UH, LET'S GO OVER THE FIRST SLIDE HERE. SO WE WENT OVER THIS SLIDE, UH, IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION, UH, THE, THE GREEN CHECK MARKS ARE THE, UH, CHANGES THAT WE, OR, OR THE POLICIES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN CREDIT FOR BY CAMPAIGN ZERO. UH, THE, UH, ORANGE CHECK MARKS ARE THE ONES THAT WE'VE CHANGED AND SHOULD NOW BE RECEIVING CREDIT FOR. AND I WANT TO GO OVER THE ONES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE HAD IN PLACE, UH, RATHER HIGH LEVEL, AND I'LL TALK IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE, UH, THE ONES THAT WE, UH, HAVE THE ORANGE CHECK MARKS NEXT TO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, THE, THE, UH, EXISTING POLICY FOR BANNING CHOKE HOLDS, WE DO NOT ALLOW CHOKE HOLDS. WE, THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2014, WHERE WE BAN THE USE OF CHOKE CHOKE HOLDS. AND IT STATES THAT A, A LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINT, OR L L V N R SHALL NOT BE USED UNLESS DEADLY FORCE IS, IS AUTHORIZED. AND, AND THAT IS THAT CAVEAT, UNLESS DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED, UH, IS IN THERE, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT, SOMEONE COULD VERY, VERY EASILY, EASILY LOSE THEIR LIVES, PROTECTING A THIRD PARTY, UH, A POLICE OFFICER OR THE THIRD PARTY COULD VERY EASILY LOSE THEIR LIVES TO PROHIBIT, UM, A, A AN A NECK RESTRAINT, UH, UNLESS DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED. SO THAT, THAT POLICY HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2014, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD POLICY. UH, WE HAVE LED THE NATION IN TERMS OF WHEN WE HAVE MADE THESE CHANGES. WE DIDN'T JUST START MAKING THEM LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THIS, THIS ONE TALKS ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM TABLE THAT, AND THAT WAS DONE BACK IN, UH, 2004. AND IT JUST TALKS ABOUT EACH STEP OF THE WAY, UH, REGARDING, UM, UH, THE, UM, CONTINUUM IN WHICH FORCES USED. AND AS YOU SEE, IT STARTS WITH OFFICER PRESENCE, TALKS WITH VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS AND OPEN OR EMPTY HANDS CONTROL AND PHYSICAL FORCE IMMEDIATE, UH, I'M SORRY, INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, AND THEN FINALLY DEADLY FORCE, IF THAT HAPPENS TO BE NECESSARY. THANKS A LOT. PLEASE, UH, TO REQUIRE DEESCALATION, OUR EXISTING POLICY, UH, STATES THAT DEESCALATION IS A CORE TENANT OF THE SAN ANTONIO DE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, USE OF FORCE. AND IT WAS INCORPORATED AGAIN BACK IN 2014. OFFICERS CADETS RECEIVED EXTENSIVE TRAINING ON DEESCALATION, AND IT, AND IT ESSENTIALLY MAKES ITS WAY INTO EVERY BLOCK OF TRAINING THAT WE DO, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USE OF FORCE OR TACTICS. AND ALL CADETS RECEIVE CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING, WHICH WE CONSIDER, UH, PART OF DEESCALATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE HAD A DUTY TO INTERVENE. UH, THAT WAS ALSO DONE BACK IN 2014. UM, THE MANUAL INCLUDE THE MANUAL STATES THAT ANY OFFICER PRESENT AND OBSERVING ANOTHER OFFICER USING FORCE THAT IS CLEARLY BEYOND THAT, WHICH IS REASONABLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SHALL SAFELY INTERCEDE TO PREVENT THE USE OF SUCH EXCESSIVE FORCE. AND THEN AFTER THAT HAPPENS, AN OFFICER SHALL IMMEDIATELY REPORT THOSE OBSERVATIONS TO A SUPERVISOR AGAIN BACK IN 2014. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. EXHAUST ALL MEANS, UH, ALL, ALL ALTERNATIVE BEFORE SHOOTING. AND OUR CURRENT POLICY IS ON THE LEFT HERE, AND IT STATES THAT IT DEPUTY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED ONLY TO PROTECT AN OFFICER OR ANOTHER PERSON FROM WHAT IS REASONABLY BELIEVED TO BE AN IMMEDIATE THREAT OF DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY. AND IT IS, UH, AS, AS STATED ON THE USE OF FORCE C CONTINUAL, UH, OUR REVISED POLICY STATES THAT, UM, IT, IT ADDED DEADLY FORCE WILL ONLY BE USED WITH GRANT RESTRAINT. IT IS USED AS A LAST RESORT WHEN THE LEVEL OF RESISTANCE WARRANTS ITS USED. UH, SS A P OUR POLICIES, UH, PLACE A GREATER VALUE ON HUMAN LIFE THAN ON PERSONAL PROPERTY. AND USE OF DEADLY FORCE [00:45:01] IS NOT ALLOWED TO PROTECT PROPERTY INTERESTS OF ANYONE WARNING BEFORE SHOOTING. OUR CURRENT POLICY STATES THAT DEESCALATION POLICY REQUIRES OFFICERS TO DEESCALATE THAT SITUATIONS TO REDUCE THE NEED FOR FORCE THROUGH WARNINGS, ADVISEMENTS, UH, UH, VERBAL PERSUASIONS AND TACTICS. OUR REVISED POLICY WILL STATE MORE EXPLICITLY THE REQUIREMENT TO GIVE A VERBAL WARNING BEFORE USING DEADLY FORCE, INCLUDING SHOOTING. AND THAT EXPANDS ON THE AVOIDANCE OF USE OF DEADLY FORCE. AND THEN, UM, THE CURRENT USE OF FORCE POLICY STATES THAT ALL OF OUR USE OF FORCE IS REPORTED IN THE DEPART IN THE OFFICER'S DEPARTMENTAL REPORT. ADDITIONALLY, THE, THE REPORT REQ, THE ADDITIONAL REPORT IS REQUIRED IF GREATER THAN EMPTY HANDS CONTROL IS USED, UM, OR WHERE AN INJURY WHICH REQUIRES MEDICAL ATTENTION HAPPENS, CAUSES DEATH TO AN INDIVIDUAL, DISCHARGING A FIREARM TO AN INDIVIDUAL USE OF AN INTERMEDIATE WEAPON. OR WHEN A POLICE CANINE BITES AN INDIVIDUAL TO REVISED POLICY STATES, IT EXPANDS THE USE OF FORCE REPORTING REQUIREMENT FOR SPECIFIC INCIDENTS. AND IT ADDS A FOLLOWING. THE, THE POINTING OF A FIREARM AS AN INDIVIDUAL WILL NOW REQUIRE A USE OF FORCE REPORT REPORTED INJURY BY AN INDIVIDUAL, ALSO REQUIRES A USE OF FORCE REPORT, AND CAUSING ANY INJURY TO AN INDIVIDUAL AT ALL REQUIRES A USE OF FORCE REPORT. AND THEN LASTLY, UH, BAD SHOOTING AT MOVING VEHICLES. OUR CURRENT POLICY STATES THAT, UH, WE PROHIBIT SHOOTING IN A MOVING VEHICLE UNLESS THE, UH, AS THE ULTIMATE MEASURE OF SELF-DEFENSE OR DEFENSE OF ANOTHER. AND THEN OUR NEW POLICY STATES ADDED, IT ADDS A SECTION TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS PROHIBITION ON DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM FROM OR AT A MOVING VEHICLE UNLESS ACTION IS NECESSARY FOR SELF-DEFENSE OR TO PROTECT ANOTHER PERSON. AGAIN, TO ELIMINATE THAT EXCEPTION WOULD BE TO PUT OFFICERS AND, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT, AT GREAT RISK. AND, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO REPEAT, UH, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FROM THE MAYOR, UH, ERIC WALSH, MARIA VIA GOMEZ, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, UM, VALDA, UH, AND, UH, AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. AND, UM, COUNCILWOMAN JADA ANDERSON, SULLIVAN, SULLIVAN FOR ALL OF THEIR INPUT, UH, ON THESE CHANGES. AND THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHIEF. UM, I THINK I'M GONNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT AND I'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN PERRY IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. BUT, UM, I THINK WE'RE STARTING HERE AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT POLICIES AND TRAIN AND EDUCATE OUR OFFICERS ABOUT OUR POLICIES, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THE CONSEQUENCES OF BREAKING THESE POLICIES. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION. AND, AND THANKS AGAIN, CHIEF FOR THE PRESENTATION. COUNCILMAN PERRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, THANK YOU, MA'AM. UH, CHIEF ON, ON ALL OF THESE CHANGES, UH, THIS IS, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'VE DONE THIS, UH, OR YOU'VE DONE THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, UH, THE LEADERSHIP AND WHAT HAVE YOU HAVE, HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO RANK AND FILE OR ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE LEADERSHIP TO GET ANY COMMENTS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, UH, ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS AND, AND HOW THEY PERCEIVE THIS COMING ACROSS, AND IF IT, IF IT'S GONNA PUT THEM IN ANY ADDITIONAL DANGER OUT IN THE FIELD? THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTERNAL DISCUSSION ON THIS. I'VE NOT REACHED OUT PERSONALLY TO, UH, TO THE ASSOCIATION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. UH, I WOULD NOT BE SUGGESTING THAT THESE POLICIES BEEN PUT IN PLACE, UH, IF THEY WOULD PUT ANYONE IN, IN, IN, UH, ADDITIONAL DANGER OR AT RISK. WELL, UM, UH, I GUESS I'M, WHETHER IT'S TO THE ASSOCIATION OR, UH, TO OTHERS, UH, FIELD OFFICERS OUT THERE TO GET ADDITIONAL INPUT ON THIS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SIT HERE ON THE, ON, UH, A COMMITTEE AND SAY, YEP, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THIS. AND WE HAVE, UM, ISSUES OUT IN THE FIELD OF OFFICERS MAYBE NOT EVEN WANTING TO RESPOND TO CALLS BECAUSE OF ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS OR WHATEVER THAT WE'RE [00:50:01] LEVYING ON. I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, THAT'S GONNA PRECLUDE OR INHIBIT ANY RESPONSES TO CALLS TO THE FIELD. AND I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M ASKING IF WE, WE COULD REACH OUT TO SOMEONE AND, UH, GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THAT. COUNCILMAN, I'VE HAD ENOUGH CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MEMBERS AROUND THE DEPARTMENT TO, UH, TO, UH, HAVE MET THAT CONCERN OF YOURS. SO, UH, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THESE POLICIES ARE SOUND, UH, THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA WORK FOR EVERYONE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE SOUND, AND I THINK THEY, THEY ACCOMPLISH, UM, UH, A LOT OF THE CHANGE THAT, THAT, UH, I THINK IS NECESSARY AT THIS TIME. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT IF, UM, WE CAN GET TOGETHER ON THAT. WE APPRECIATE IT. SURE. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PERRY. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. SURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. UH, THANK YOU, MARIA, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND START, UH, WITH YOU. UM, I THINK YOU SUMMARIZED A LOT OF, OF WHAT WE HEARD, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE PART ABOUT PEOPLE BEING VERY ANGRY. UM, I THINK THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS LOUD AND, AND CLEAR. UM, ONE THING, UH, I WANTED TO ASK IS, DO YOU HAVE A TALLY OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ASKED FOR SOME THINGS VERSUS ANOTHER THING? UH, COUNCILWOMAN, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. WE, UH, BECAUSE AS WE COMPLETED THE LAST SESSION ON SATURDAY, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH CATEGORIZING ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT READY FOR THE COUNCIL FOR THIS GOAL SETTING SESSION ON FRIDAY. SO WE'LL BE SENDING THAT TO YOU, UH, UH, TOMORROW, THURSDAY, UH, WITH THAT TALLY, SO THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC ITEMS, UM, THE THE ONES THAT I HIGHLIGHTED TODAY TO GIVE YOU THAT SENSE OF PERCENTAGE OF COMMENTS FOR EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES. THANK YOU. AND I, I REALLY WANNA ECHO, UM, THE, OR SUPPORT THE WORDS OF COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN IN THE EARLIER ITEM, UH, TODAY. I THINK, UM, THERE IS GENERAL AGREEMENT OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HOLD OFFICERS, UH, ACCOUNTABLE. AND, UH, AND I KNOW YOU, YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT TOO. THE STAFF BELIEVES THAT TOO THROUGH THEIR WORK WITH THE, THE FUTURE WORK WITH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ISSUE. UM, AND WE ALSO HEARD THAT MANY OFFICERS, UM, MAY BE DOING THINGS THAT THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T SIGN UP TO, TO DO, UM, AND THAT WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS, UH, IN A, INTO OUR DEPARTMENT THAT REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, CAN'T ARREST AWAY THE DRIVERS OF, OF CRIME OR, OR WRONGDOING. SO WE ALSO HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE OFFICERS, PEOPLE, UH, PEOPLE KNOW THEIR OFFICERS, AND WHEN THEY KNOW THEM AS, AS INDIVIDUALS, I THINK THEY REALLY LIKE THEM. BUT THEY DO SEE THAT THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE, UM, UH, MORE SYSTEMATICALLY. AND, AND IT'S NOT ANYONE IN, WELL, IN SOME CASES IT'S INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS. UM, BUT I THINK THEY STILL APPRECIATE THE, THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE. UM, SO I HAD, UM, ASKED BEFORE IF WE HAD DONE, UM, A SURVEY OF, UM, OFFICER SATISFACTION, AND YOU HAD TOLD ME IT WAS DONE RECENTLY. UM, WERE THOSE RESULTS EMAILED? I APOLOGIZE IF I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM YET. NO, COUNSEL. I MEAN, I HAVE NOT, BUT I WILL DO THAT TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT COULD, UH, GIVE US A SENSE OF, UH, WHAT, WHAT OFFICERS, UM, MIGHT BE THINKING. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS, UH, IN THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM, I'VE LOOKED AT THE LANGUAGE, UH, IN THE MEMO THAT YOU SENT US, CHIEF, AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE UNLESS I'VE MISSED IT, THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER IF THE INDIVIDUAL HAS, UH, A MEDICAL CONDITION, UH, SOME SORT OF MENTAL IMPAIRMENT OR, UH, SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL LIMITATION OR A LANGUAGE, UH, BARRIER. UM, I THINK THAT THE NATIONAL STATISTIC IS THAT ONE IN FOUR PEOPLE SHOT BY THE POLICE OR HAS A MENTAL ILLNESS, AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH A CRISIS AT THE TIME, OR, OR PERHAPS THEY ARE. BUT, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW, UH, HOW THE OFFICERS WOULD HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? COUNSEL, IF, IF AN OFFICER'S CALLED TO A SCENE OF A, OF A, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, [00:55:01] PERSON IN HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, UM, THEY, THEY'VE ALL BEEN TRAINED, UH, 40 HOURS, UH, AND PLUS REFRESHER COURSES ON CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING. SO, SO THEY, THEY, THEY DEAL WITH IT IN THAT REGARD. AND I, AND I, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A, A CALL FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS DESTROYING THE HOUSE. UM, TWO OFFICERS AND THE SERGEANT ARRIVED ON THE SCENE. HE WAS IN THE BEDROOM, HIS FATHER WAS IN THE BEDROOM AS WELL, UH, LYING ON THE BED. UM, HE WAS IN THE CORNER AND THE OFFICER STOOD THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME TRYING TO TALK WITH HIM. UH, HE WOULDN'T, HE WOULDN'T TALK, UH, HE WOULDN'T RESPOND. HE HAD HIS HANDS BEHIND HIS BACK. AND THEN AT SOME POINT, UH, ONE OF THE OFFICERS OR THE SERGEANT ASKED HIM WHAT HE HAD IN HIS HAND, AND HE WOULDN'T SHOW IT TO THEM. AND THE CONVERSATION CONTINUED AND CONTINUED AND THEN, AND THEN AT, AT ONE POINT, THE, THE YOUNG MAN PULLED A SHOTGUN OUT FROM BEHIND HIS BACK AND FIRED IT AT THE, AT THE SERGEANT. UM, THE, UH, THE SERGEANT IN TURN RETURNED FIRE, UM, THE PERSON WAS HIT. BUT MY POINT IN THIS IS THAT THESE CASES ARE ALL HANDLED WITH KID, KID GLOVES, UH, AS THIS ONE WAS UNTIL SOMETHING GOES BAD AS THIS ONE DID. SO WHETHER WE, WHETHER WE ARE RESPONDING TO A, A MENTAL HEALTH CALL OR WE FIND OURSELVES AT A CALL WITH SOMEONE WHO MAY BE AUTISTIC, OR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T SPEAK, UH, WHO, WHO CAN'T HEAR OR CAN'T SPEAK, WE HAVE RECEIVED TRAINING IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS FOR OFFICERS TO, TO HANDLE THOSE SITUATIONS, UM, UM, CONSIDERING THE, UM, THE, UH, DISABILITY THAT THAT PERSON MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE, IN THE LANGUAGE. UM, AND THEN JUST LASTLY, IT'S, IT'S A COMMENT AND I, I, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IT, BUT THE FIRST STEP IN THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM IS SIMPLY THE PRESENCE OF AN OFFICER. AND, UM, I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND WHAT IT MEANS WHEN AN OFFICER IS, IS, IS THAT WHAT WE INTEND AT ANY POINT WHEN WE HAVE AN OFFICER PRESENT SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? IF WE CAN SAY THAT THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM, THEN I THINK IT MAKES SENSE THAT PEOPLE SOMETIMES MIGHT BE AFRAID OF POLICE OFFICERS, UM, OR INTIMIDATED BY THEM. AND I THINK BY SAYING IT'S OUR FIRST STEP IN THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM, IT SORT OF, UH, ESTABLISHES THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. WHAT THE PRESENCE OF A POLICE OFFICER IS INTENDED TO DO IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT THE LAW IS HERE AND SORT OF, UH, GET PEOPLE TO, TO BE SLIGHTLY INTIMIDATED. UM, ANYWAY, I'M STILL WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND THAT ONE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL, COUNCILWOMAN COUNCIL. , DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE MOVE ON. I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO UNMUTE MYSELF RIGHT NOW. I DO, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, MARIA, UH, JUST RECENTLY, WHAT, YESTERDAY ACTUALLY, UH, FAIRFAX, UH, CASE A AND VAR REPORT CAME OUT WITH SOME OF THEIR DATA FROM POLLING THAT THEY'VE DONE. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT DATA FROM POLLING AND SURVEYS THAT THEY'VE TAKEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO SEE HOW IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT OUR LISTENING SESSION HAS. UH, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO LOOK AT THAT DATA TOO, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT ONE, THE MAJORITY OF, OF, UH, ALMOST 90% WERE IN TOTAL SUPPORT OF A VERBAL WARNING. UH, SO I THINK THAT GOES TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT A NO-KNOCK WARRANT, ET CETERA. UM, NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S A BREAKDOWN, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU WILL, OF DISTRICTS AND WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS FROM DESK DISTRICTS PER DISTRICT. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO GET WHEN IT COMES TO THE LISTENING SESSIONS. UM, SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, I WANNA CONTINUE ON THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM. UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE [01:00:01] NAACP HAS REQUESTED IS LOOKING AT, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENTS NATIONWIDE TO HAVE SIX LEVELS OF, UH, THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT ARE OUR, OUR, UH, MORE DETAILS OF OUR USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM, AND, UM, WHERE IS IT FIVE LEVELS? IS IT, DO WE GO BEYOND THAT? IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT, UH, TO THAT CHIEF FOR ANYBODY? SURE. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SIX, UM MM-HMM. , GOOD TO INCLUDE, TO INCLUDE THE, THE, UH, OFFICER'S PRESENCE AS, UH, WE JUST DISCUSSED WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. OKAY. AND, UH, ENDING WITH, UH, DEADLY FORCE. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, SO YOURS IS SIX, BECAUSE SOME WERE SAYING THAT IT WAS JUST SOME POLICE DEPARTMENT STATION WIDE JUST HAVE FIVE. SO WITH, WITH OURS, WE HAVE THE, THE SIX, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE OFFICER JUST BEING PRESENT IS ONE LEVEL OF THAT? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE, UH, WHEN WE'RE COMING, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THE, UM, I GUESS TRANSPARENCY AND THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, UH, AND REPORTING AND BEING TRANSPARENT ON OUR SS A P D WEBSITE, YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE WEBSITE THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, UM, OFFICER IN INJURIES OR OFFICER INVOLVED REPORTS. WE HAVE THAT. NOW I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, UM, 'CAUSE LOOKING AT THEM, THAT DOESN'T REALLY GO INTO MUCH DETAIL INTO GIVING MUCH INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, AND THE REPORTING FORMS HAVE RECENTLY CHANGED. UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN THESE REPORTING FORMS HAVE CHANGED AND THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE CAN GIVE AND THESE REPORTS, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM JUST GIVE BASIC DATA AND DOESN'T GO INTO DETAIL OF WHAT THE SITUATION WAS. SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. UH, HI COUNCILWOMAN, GREG BROWN. THIS IS JESSE HOLME AGAIN. UH, IF I COULD ANSWER THAT, PLEASE. OKAY. OH YEAH, PLEASE. UM, SO THE REPORTS THAT WE PUT ON THERE WERE, ARE MANDATED BY THE STATE. SO FOLLOWING THE STATE REPORTING, UH, STRUCTURE, WE, WE'VE GOTTA PUT THOSE ON. AND THE REASON WHY WE PUT THOSE ON IS, IS TO TRACK SORT OF THE BASIC INFORMATION THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL REQUIRES US TO REPORT. UM, AS FOR PUTTING MORE DETAILS, THE REASON WHY WE DON'T DO THAT, UM, IS BECAUSE, UH, THOSE CASES ARE, ARE ALWAYS UNDER INVESTIGATION. BY THE TIME THOSE REPORTS ARE DUE, I THINK THEY'RE DUE WITHIN 10 DAYS OF THE INCIDENT. AND SO WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE, WE CAN'T PUT A LOT OF INFORMATION BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE AND WE DON'T WANT TO OBVIOUSLY MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS AND, AND, UH, COME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS BEFORE THE FINAL OUTCOME'S BEEN DETERMINED. AND SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY TO TRY TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT, LOOK, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, THAT'S WHY WE HANDLE IT THE WAY THAT WE DO. OKAY, THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT PLACE FOR US TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT MORE TRANSPARENCY AND THEN EVEN AFTER THE FACT OF, UH, MAYBE WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED AFTER ARBITRATION OR AFTER, UM, OFFICERS HAVE BEEN, UM, TAKEN OFF THE FORCE OR REINSTATED, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT ON OUR WEBSITE AND GIVE DETAILS OF WHY, JUST TO LET, UM, LET US TELL THE US TO SEE, TELL WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND NOT OTHERS GIVE A NARRATIVE. SO COUNCILWOMAN TO FURTHER THAT. UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW IS IT'S THROUGH THE OPEN DATA PORTAL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE MOST PEOPLE GO TO GET THE INFORMATION FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION WHEN THEY MAKE THE REQUEST. WE'VE UPLOADED ALL OF THE ARBITRATIONS THAT, UH, I THINK GOING BACK TO 2010, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, WE, IF WE'RE MISSING SOME, WE'LL WE'LL FIND THEM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA START UPLOADING THE DISCIPLINE. UH, AS WE GET MONTHLY REQUESTS FOR THAT, WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO, WE'RE GONNA UPLOAD THE ONES THAT WE, UH, THAT ARE COMING UP HERE. WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A TIME SCHEDULE TO DO THAT. SO WE'RE PROACTIVELY, UH, DOING THAT AND THEN PUTTING ALL THAT OUT THERE. AND I THINK THAT IT GOT A DUAL PURPOSE. ONE, IT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND TWO, ANY OFFICERS THAT EVER WANT TO ENGAGE IN THIS KNOW THAT THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO BE PUT OUT THERE. AND SO, UM, ANY, IT IS GOT, IT SERVES A BUNCH OF ROLES, BUT MOSTLY IT LETS THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO, TO TELLING THOSE. SO WHERE, SO WHERE IS THAT IT'S UNDER THE OPEN DATA INITIATIVE OR, OR WHERE CAN PEOPLE FIND THAT EASILY ON THE WEBSITE? IT, IT'S, IT IS NOT ON THE WEBSITE, BUT WE CAN CREATE A LINK TO IT. BUT IT'S THROUGH THE CITY. IT'S THROUGH THE CITY OPEN RECORDS DATA PORTAL. OKAY. ALL [01:05:01] RIGHT. YEAH, I THINK WE SEND A LINK. I THINK LET'S HAVE JUST A, AN EASIER WAY TO ACCESS IT. BECAUSE IF I'M LOOKING FOR THAT, I WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE S A P D WEBSITE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST HAVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT CONSISTENCY AND THAT EASY, UH, CONNECTION. AND THEN, UM, MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE USING AND HOPEFULLY TALKING ABOUT ZERO PO ZERO TOLERANCE POLICIES, OR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ZERO TOLERANCE POLICIES FOR POLICE OFFICERS, WHETHER IT BEING, UH, UNIFORMED OR IT BEING PARK POLICE WHEN IT COMES TO RACIST INCIDENT INCIDENTS OR RACIST JOKES. UM, WE NEED TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S MORE. UM, SO NUMBER ONE, AND THEN TWO, HOW DOES THIS PLAY, OR, OR HOW DOES THIS WORK FOR INCIDENTS THAT ARE WITH OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS? IS IT THE SAME IF THERE ARE CERTAIN INCIDENTS? IT'S COVERED THE SAME WAY IF THEY'RE OFF-DUTY OR ON-DUTY, POLICE OFFICERS, IT'S THE SAME . YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T GET A PASS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE OFF DUTY. IT'S THE SAME ON OR OFF. OKAY. UH, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, FOR CLARIFYING THAT. BUT TO MY CHAIR AND TO MY COLLEAGUES, I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN OUR, UM, PURVIEW AS, UH, NOT JUST THIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, BUT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD AND DIRECT STAFF WHEN IT COMES TO ZERO TOLERANCE. UM, AND WHERE WE CAN, UH, LOOK AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES OUTSIDE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND HAVE THOSE SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS. BECAUSE I THINK, UM, LOOKING AT MORE, UH, PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING RATHER THAN JUST ONCE, UM, TESTING WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, RACIST TENDENCIES MORE THAN JUST ONCE, BUT INCREASING THAT IN, IN, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. SO THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. , COUNCILWOMAN. ANDREW SULLIVAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF, UM, FOR, UM, DIVING DEEP INTO THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE THAT IS THE CALL TO ACTION THAT THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THANK YOU LIZ AND MARIA FOR, UM, GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE, UM, IDEAS AND, AND INFORMATION THAT I SENT OVER TO YOUR OFFICE TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE WITHIN OUR LEGAL PREVIEW, UM, TO START, UM, AFFECTING SOME IMMEDIATE CHANGE. AND THEN TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING PRESENT, AVAILABLE AND WILLING TO STEP UP TO DO THE CHANGES THAT ARE TRULY NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUOUSLY HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH WORK THAT WE CAN DO TO TRULY HAVE THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT A POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, SETS THE TONE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. UM, CHIEF, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONTINUUM OF FORCE, UM, OR USE OF FORCE, ONE THING THAT A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING IS IN REFERENCE TO NOT HAVING TO VACATE A VEHICLE UP ON A TRAFFIC STOP. UM, AND SO I WANTED YOU TO, TO TRULY SPEAK TO HOW THE, UM, REVISED PROCEDURES THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE, UM, ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE. COUNCIL MEMBER ON A, ON A TRAFFIC STOP, NO ONE IS TYPICALLY GONNA BE ASKED TO STEP OUT OF THE VEHICLE UNLESS THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION, A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION THAT THE OFFICER NEEDS TO DO. IF IT'S A SIMPLE TRAFFIC STOP WHERE YOU RAN A RED LIGHT OR SPEEDING, UH, OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, NO ONE'S GONNA ASK YOU TO STEP OUTTA THE VEHICLE. IT'S, IT IS ONLY WHEN THERE'S SOME SORT OF INVESTIGATION THAT LEADS THE OFFICER, UH, TO, TO NEED YOU TO STEP OUT. OKAY. AND WHEN THAT INSTANCE DOESN'T HAPPEN, AND IT'S FROM SIMPLE TRAFFIC STOP TO, UM, STOP AN ESCALATION OF SOMETHING MORE, OR IF AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, THAT IS STATING THEIR RIGHTS OF NOT WANTING TO VACATE IN FEAR OF THEIR LIVES, WHAT ARE OUR SS A P D OFFICERS SUPPOSED TO DO IN THAT INSTANCE? AND HOW CAN WE KEEP IT FROM ESCALATING TO SOMETHING MORE? WE, WE TRY TO DEESCALATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT, UH, AN OFFICER ABSOLUTELY HAS TO, UM, HAVE SOMEONE STEP OUT OF THE CAR, THEN THEY ARE GOING TO TRY AND PERSUADE THEM TO STEP OUT THROUGH DEESCALATION, [01:10:01] AND IF NOT, THEY'LL EVENTUALLY BE FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM THE VEHICLE. OKAY. AND WHEN YOU SAY THROUGH FORCIBLE MOVEMENT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S WITH GUNS DRAWN, OR ARE WE USING TASERS? HOW IS THAT, THAT FORCIBLE MOVEMENT ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE? THAT WOULD BE SIMPLY, UH, THROUGH, BY HANDS, OPEN HAND CONTROL. UH, WE'RE NOT USING ANY, UH, ANY WEAPONS, INTERMEDIATE OR OTHERWISE, UH, UNLESS THE, THE LEVEL OF FORCE DISPLAYED BY THE, THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, DEMAND SUCH REQUIRES SUCH. OKAY. AND, UM, I LIKE TO REQUEST A INCIDENT, UM, REPORT OR CALCULATIONS ON HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE, UH, USED MORE, UM, EXCESSIVE FORCE UPON TRAFFIC STOPS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SIMPLE, UM, SIMPLE TICKETS. UM, I LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT IS BROKEN DOWN, UM, WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO, UM, MADAM CHAIR, UH, THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. UM, I HAVE ENTERED SOME MORE AC ACTUAL DOCUMENTS INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, TO BE READ, BUT AT THIS TIME, THOSE ARE ALL THE, THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. ANDREW SULLIVAN, WE, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND MEMBERS, UH, FOR ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADVANCE THIS ITEM TO CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. OKAY. WELL, THERE'S NO MOTION, SO WE WILL NOT MOVE IT FORWARD. GIMME ONE. ILL GIVE YOU ONE MORE TENSE. ANYBODY, I'M, I'LL DO ONE MORE TENSE. ANYBODY STILL MOVED? , UM, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING IT TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE FULL COUNCIL. WE PUT A POSSIBLE ACTION IN CASE THERE WAS SOME ACTION THE COUNCIL, UH, THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO TAKE, BUT THERE'S NO, UM, UM, THIS DOESN'T NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE FULL COUNCIL. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I, I WOULD LIKE MAYBE TO PUT IT ON A B SESSION. I THINK IT'S INFORMATIVE FOR ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HEAR THE, THE RESULTS OF THE LISTENING SESSIONS AND MAYBE HAVE ANSWERS TO SOME QUESTIONS. UH, WE DON'T NEED A, UM, ANYONE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, OR, OR DO WE I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. I, I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, OKAY. GO AHEAD, . UM, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT B, CAN IT, CAN IT ALSO INCLUDE SOME OF THE, UM, REMARKS AND SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ALL DISCUSSED AT THIS IN THIS COMMITTEE? UH, RIGHT NOW? PLEASE BE SURE THAT IT HAS THAT. I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST LOGISTICALLY, DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT, UM, THAT A FORMAL ACTION OF COMMITTEE MARIA, OR CAN WE JUST, UH, ASK THAT IT, CAN I JUST OFFLINE ASK THAT IT BE A B SESSION? YOU CAN JUST ASK TO BE A B SESSION. A MOTION IS REQUIRED. OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON THEN. UM, SO WE'LL NOW MOVE [Public Comments] ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALL TO SPEAK LIVE. OH, I'M SORRY. THERE WERE NO PEOPLE THAT ASKED FOR A CALLBACK. OKAY. THEN WE WILL GO ON TO, UM, BRITTANY COMMENTS. UM, YES MA'AM, WE'RE GET A COUPLE OF THOSE. GO AHEAD MA'AM. CLERK. YES. UM, MR. YOUNG FROM DISTRICT SIX MADE THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS, NUMBER ONE, IMPOSE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES. NUMBER TWO, BAN MANAGERIAL POLICE FROM BECOMING MEMBERS OF THE SAN NEW POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. NUMBER THREE, REMOVE THE ARBITRATION CLAUSE FROM THE NEXT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. NUMBER FOUR, LOBBY CONGRESS TO REMOVE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. AND NUMBER FIVE, ELIMINATE RECRUITMENT OF BULLIES. UH, MR. MCKENZIE WHO DID NOT GIVE HIS COUNCIL DISTRICT EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WE RECEIVED. OKAY, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN TODAY'S MEETING. UM, THE MAYOR'S JUNE 11TH MEMO OUTLINED A PLATFORM WHICH INCLUDED COMMUNITY POLICING PROGRAMS AND KEEPING WITH THAT, I'VE DIRECTED CITY STAFF TO BRING THIS FORWARD. AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'LL HAVE THAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO WITH NO OTHER BUSINESS. THE TIME IS NOW 2:16 PM THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.