* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] OKAY, WE'RE LIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 1ST, 2020. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL [Roll Call] PLEASE? FERNANDEZ FISH. HERE. GIBBS. HERE. QUEZ OLA? HERE. CARPENTER HERE. WHO? BOWMAN FETZER? HERE. LA HERE. CORY. MIKE. MY, UH, COMPUTER WENT UP. SO THE, HERE, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A QUORUM THAT'S SEVEN. UM, BEFORE WE START, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES. THANK YOU. CAN WE GET THE [Chairman’s Statement] CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE? YES. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL AND BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRED TRANSLATION SERVICES, YOUR INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR ALL THEIR COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK. WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, IF WE CAN PULL UP THE CASE LIST FOR TODAY. SO THERE [Consent Agenda] ON YOUR SCREENS, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 23 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, AS A REMINDER, THE CONSENT AGENDA, OUR CASES WERE STAFFED TO EITHER RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS ON THESE CASES, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE TODAY. FIRST, UM, ADDITIONAL LETTERS FOR SOME OF THESE ARE ALSO PROVIDED IN YOUR GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDERS. UM, SO I'LL READ THE COMMENTS AND THEN ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, WE CAN DO SO AT THAT TIME. UM, FOR ITEM 20, UM, 4 22 FEIN WAY, UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM, UH, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OPPOSES THE PROJECT OF 4 22 FEIN WAY AND THE DI NUITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF TWO LARGE STRUCTURES ON THIS PARCEL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC BUILDING DENSITY CITY PATTERNS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MOREOVER, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WHILE TO THE REAR OF THE HOME IN FEIN WAY WILL BE CONSPICUOUS FROM OLIVE STREET AMASSING INTENSITY AND DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE HISTORIC PATTERNS IN THE DISTRICT. UM, A SECOND LETTER FOR FOUR OR 4 22 FEIN WAY COMES FROM SCOTT ALBURN, UM, ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WE DO NOT SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, PRIMARILY BECAUSE COUNTER TO STAFFS FINDINGS, THE CONTEXT AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE ACTUAL SITE. TRUE HAY STREET HAS TWO, TWO STORY HOUSES THAT FRONT HAY STREET, LAMAR STREET HAS ONE TWO STORY HOUSE THAT FRONTS LAMAR STREET, BUT THIS LOT IS ADDRESSED AS SPAIN WAY AND FRONTS, FEIN WAY. THE ACTUAL CHARACTER AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THIS PROJECT ALREADY EXISTS ALONG FEIN WAY, WHICH AS STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES [00:05:01] FEATURES ACCESS POINTS TO THE REAR OF LOTS ADDRESSED TO HAYES AND LAMAR, AS WELL AS A SMALL REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. UM, THE CHARACTER FEIN WAY IS MUCH MORE MODEST ON LOWER DENSITY THAN THE, THAN WHAT THE PROJECT PROPOSES. A PROJECT THAT IS ADDRESSED ON FEIN WAY SHOULD HAVE A LEGIBLE ENTRANCE AND PROPER SETBACKS ON THE PRIMARY STREET OF FEIN WAY. UM, NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FOR ITEM 22 5 1 5 NORTH PALMETTO, UM, SUBMITTED BY SCOTT ALBERT. WE SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND ESPECIALLY THE RECOMMENDATION FOR RELOCATED CAR PARKING. EITHER A SIDE DRIVE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY OR DRIVE FROM THE ALLEY WILL PROVIDE CONVENIENT, EFFICIENT, AND CONFORMING PARKING THIS REVISION FROM, FROM THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, DO ANY COMMERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS OR THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 20. OKAY. AND WE'LL MARK THAT ON THE SCREEN. ANY OTHER ITEMS? AND CHAIRMAN FETZER, WE CAN ASK FOR A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER. THAT'S GONNA BE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 19 AND THEN 21 THROUGH 23. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. CHAIRMAN FETZER, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH 19 AND 21 THROUGH 23 BASED ON STAFF'S, UH, FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH A SECOND. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE BET, SIR. AYE OR AN FISH? UH, HELLO. HELLO, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS JUAN FERNANDEZ, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR 4 22. FIND A WAY, UH, REGARDING THE LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. ONE, ONE SECOND. WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. ONE, ONE MINUTE. OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND SECOND WE'RE DOING ROLL CALL. VOTE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'M GONNA START OVER ACTUALLY. FISH AYE GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND LA AYE. ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM [20-3944 Address/Description: 422 FAYN WAY HDRC Case No.: 2020-255 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Juan Fernandez/CVF LLC Request: Construction of two, 2-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2] NUMBER 20, UM, 4 22 FEIN WAY. UM, THIS CASE WAS PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, UM, AND EDWARD HAS THE APPLICANT, ONE FERNANDEZ ON THE PHONE. UH, JUAN FERNANDEZ I WANTED TO MENTION REGARDING THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY LETTER, THEY STATE THAT THE MASSING, UH, IS NOT CONSISTENT. HOWEVER, THE HOUSE IN FRONT OF THESE LOT 4 21 HAY IS BIGGER AND THE MASSING IS, IS BIGGER THAN THIS THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. ALSO, THE CORNER OF FWAY AND MESQUITE, THERE'S A BIGGER HISTORIC STRUCTURE AS WELL WITH A MASSING, UH, WAY MORE MASSING THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS WELL AS THE CORNER OF HAY STREET AND MESQUITE AND ANOTHER HOUSE, HISTORIC HOUSE AND THE MATCHING OF, OF THESE HISTORIC HOUSES ALSO, UH, FIGURED OUT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, REGARDING THE, THE FIELD MENTIONED THAT, UH, FROM OLIVE STREET, UH, IT'S, UH, THE, THE, THE VIEW FROM OLIVE STREET. OLIVE STREET TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS FROM WHERE WE ARE. SO I THINK THAT IT'S INCORRECT ON THEIR LETTER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THAT. WITH OLIVE. ALL OF IT'S TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS AWAY FROM OUR, FROM THE PROPERTY. UH, REGARDING THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBOR FROM SCOTT, UH, JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE SETBACKS ARE THE SAME OR MORE OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES AND, UH, ARE ACCORDING TO HISTORIC GUIDELINES. ALSO, I THINK THAT WHAT HE MENTIONS ON THE LEGIBLE ENTRANCE, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED ACCORDING TO THE H E R C, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, BY, BY INCORPORATING A FRONT PORCH TO THE UNITS. SO I THINK THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GIVE, UH, LEGIBLE ENTRANCE OF WHAT, UH, SCOTT WAS MENTIONING. SO THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. [00:10:01] UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS PROJECT. UM, BUT LET'S START OFF WITH THIS. UM, HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND HAVE ADDRESSED THEIR CONCERNS CONCERNING THIS PROPERLY? NO, I HAVE NOT. X Y I'M SORRY. X Y BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE MAINLY COVERING, UH, THE GUIDELINES. SO, SO WE DECIDED TO SUBMIT FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. OKAY. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OKAY, OF COURSE, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF THIS 'CAUSE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS SHOULD HAVE INPUT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IF YOU CAN GET BUY-IN AND GUIDANCE FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD KIND OF HELP SMOOTH THINGS OVER THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. SO YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE THIS, UM, THESE PEOPLE, I MEAN, OPPOSITION TO YOUR PROJECT. SO I THINK THE ONE THING THAT'S KEY, I THINK YOU SHOULD ALWAYS MOVE FORWARD WITH ACTUALLY TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN ON YOUR PROJECT. UM, SECONDLY, UM, WITH THE GUIDELINES, UM, AS YOU'RE MENTIONING THAT YOU WERE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND I KNOW THIS IS SET IN THE ALLEYWAY, UM, I, I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT HERE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING FAIRNESS THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WITH THE WAY THIS IS, IS STRUCTURED AND SET UP. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, I, I CAN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER. I, I WOULD LIKE JUST TO MENTION THAT WE MET WITH, WE DID A, UH, UH, DESIGN REVIEW, UH, BEFORE SUBMITTING. WE MET WITH, UH, TWO COMMISSIONERS, I BELIEVE. UH, WELL, I, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW LONG AGO, BUT WE MET WITH THEM AND WE GOT GENERAL IDEAS BEFORE WE SUBMITTED THIS. UNDERSTOOD. APPRECIATE THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT PROCESS. I MEAN, GOING THROUGH THE D R C BECAUSE THAT HELPS, UM, IN AN INFORMAL WAY TO HELP GUIDE YOUR PROJECT. UM, BUT STILL, IT STILL HAS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO GET TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT AS WELL, AND ALSO, UM, BOTH ON, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT ITSELF. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE, UH, D R C, UH, PARTICIPANTS, UH, WHAT THEIR VIEW IS OF THE PROJECT. JUST GIVE US A, A QUICK REPORT AS I, I WAS NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT REVIEW. STAFF CAN PROVIDE, UM, SOME COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THAT. UH, SO LAST FALL, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, UM, AND, AND STAFF GAVE SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT GO TO THE D R C. UH, THIS WAS IN, I BELIEVE, SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. AND THE APPLICANT SUBSEQUENTLY WITH CURED THAT APPLICATION, UH, AND THEN SUBMITTED THE SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION. UH, SO, UH, WHEN THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE D R C, THAT WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO. UH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. OR STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY AERIAL IMAGES OF THE, OF THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE FRONT AND THE ALLEY? WHAT THE ALLEY CHARACTER IS, OR, OR CAN YOU FIND AN AERIAL AND SHOW IT TO US? UH, THAT IS ON PAGE EIGHT. OKAY. WELL, IT IS JUST THAT I HAVE THE OTHER SCREEN UP, SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT I CAN GET YOU TO PUT IT ON YOUR SCREEN SO I CAN BE LOOKING AT THE OTHER SCREEN OVER HERE. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST WE JUST DO A GOOGLE ARIEL AND THEN YOU YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU'LL PUT THE THREE D ON THERE. EXACTLY, BECAUSE I'M, I'M SCROLLING ON MY SIDE AND IT, IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS OTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. SO IT'S A VERY NARROW, UH, UH, KIND OF HIDDEN ALLEY. UM, FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE DRIVEWAY. I'M SEEING, UM, KIND OF A, A TEXTURED PATTERN. WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN MIND FOR THAT DRIVEWAY? WHAT, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL? UH, WE WERE THINKING SOMETHING LIKE, UH, DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE AT THIS POINT, FLEXIBLE. I MEAN, UH, JUST IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES, BUT WE WERE PLANNING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. [00:15:02] OKAY. YOU CAN SEE THE MATCHING OF THOSE BUILDINGS THERE THAT FACE THE ALLEY. WELL, I, I, I SEE THEM. I CAN APPRECIATE THE DESIGN. I KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNIQUE IN, IN, IN THEIR APPLICATION OF, OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GUIDE GUIDELINE, UH, THEORY, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT, UM, UM, FOR STAFF. IS, IS, IS THE REQUIREMENT, THE VISUAL FROM, FROM THE VISUAL HERE OR THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, IS THIS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN WHAT IS, UM, RECOMMENDED? OR IS IT HIGHER THAN WHAT IS RECOMMENDED? SO THE, THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT FOUNDATION HEIGHTS SHOULD BE WITHIN ONE FOOT OF THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT. UH, TYPICALLY WITHIN THE DIGNITY, WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT FOUNDATION HEIGHTS ARE GONNA BE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO THREE FEET. UH, SO THAT COMMENT IS MORE OF, UM, UH, AN F Y I TO THE APPLICANT THAT AS THEY'RE, AS HE'S DEVELOPING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO MAKE SURE THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT SHOULD BE APPROVED, UH, JUST SIMPLY BASED ON THIS RENDERING HERE, THEY LOOK TO BE CLOSE. UM, BUT SINCE THAT THE DESIGN HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED THAT FAR, UH, STAFF WANTED TO JUST MAKE THE APPLICANT AWARE THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THAT PART OF THE GUIDELINES. OKAY. JUST, JUST FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON THAT, IS THAT FOUNDATION LINE FINISHED FLOOR OR FOUNDATION LINE VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE, LIKE WATER TABLE OR SKIRTING OR, OR HOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU INTERPRET FOUNDATION HEIGHT? IS IT FINISHED FLOOR, FINISHED FLOOR, LIKE A PORCH FLOOR WORKS, IS THE QUESTION FLOOR APPLICANT? IT'S WELL IN, IN, IN GENERAL, I'M, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT IS EITHER FINISHED FLOOR OR IT'S A VISIBLE LINE ON THE OUTSIDE THAT REPRESENTS, I DON'T KNOW, THE BOTTOM OF THE RAFTER OF, OF, OF THE JOIST OR THE TOP OF THE JOIST. BUT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME EXTERIOR VISIBLE CUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? SO IF THE SIDING COMES DOWN, THEN THE VISIBLE CUE BECOMES THE HEIGHT OF THE PORCH, RIGHT? OR, OR WHATEVER. BUT IF, IF IT'S FINISHED FLOOR OR IF IT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, TYPICALLY THERE'S GONNA BE A PORCH, AND SO THE PORCH IS BOTH, IT'S A VISUAL CUE FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S ALSO USUALLY LINING UP THAT FINISHED FLOOR. IN THIS CASE, THE PORCH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. UM, AND SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF GIVES THAT, THAT IMPRESSION OF THE FOUNDATION HIGH. WELL, AND THAT'S PART OF PART WHY I ASK CORY, BECAUSE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATION OF THE POOLS IS THE SAME AS THE FOUNDATION OF, AS THE HOUSE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IN A THREE D GRAPHIC LIKE THIS. RIGHT. UM, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO JUST KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ALSO THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT. BUT I ALSO DO, DO SEE THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF, OF IT THIS BEING IN, IN, IN A NARROWER ALLEY, UH, UH, OPENING TO THE REAR AS OPPOSED TO OPENING TO THE FRONT. IT'S, IT, IT IS UNIQUE. UM, UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT GARNERS, UH, SUPPORT. I REALLY DO. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER FISH. THIS IS, UH, SORRY, COMMISSIONER THAT THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I JUST HAVE A, A QUICK COMMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS, I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT, UH, THIS PROJECT, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE I, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF THE, THE SCALE OF THE, UH, THE PRO PROPOSED, UH, STRUCTURES RELATIVE TO THE, UH, THE BUILDING THAT'S, UH, IN THE FRONT AND, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND, UM, I THINK BEFORE I COULD SUPPORT THAT, I, I WOULD NEED TO SEE EITHER JUST, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE PROFILES, UH, SECTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, TRANSVERSELY AND LONGITUDINALLY ALONG THE SITE, OR, UH, SIMPLE MASSING ADDED TO THE THREE D RENDERING, JUST SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET A SENSE OF THIS WITHIN CONTEXT, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING IT WITH AN AERIAL, UM, BUT NOT, UH, THE, THE THREE D UH, RENDERING IS, IS JUST SO SHOWS THESE TWO ISOLATED MASSES. AND SO I DON'T QUITE, UM, KNOW HOW THEY, UH, IF, IF THEY PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS, SO TO SPEAK. SO, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ASK IF THE, UH, APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO GET THOSE ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, EXHIBITS FOR US, AND IN THE MEANTIME, SEE IF THEY COULD ENGAGE WITH THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMUNITY GROUPS AS WELL AND TO, TO BUILD SOME SUPPORT. SURE. UM, WE WERE THINKING THAT, UH, WE WERE GONNA BE PROVIDING ALL OF THAT, 'CAUSE WE WERE COMMITTING ON MAKING THESE STRUCTURES, UH, SMALLER THAN THE FRONT STRUCTURE ON HAY STREET. SO WE WERE, WE WERE PLANNING ON INCLUDING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WITH THE ACTUAL, UH, MEASUREMENTS FOR THE FINAL SIGN. [00:20:01] UH, SO COMMITTING NOW THAT THE MASSING WILL BE, UM, NOT A STALL OF THE STRUCTURE FACING HAY STREET, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MASSING, I MEAN, BLENDS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THIS IS, UH, UM, CHAIRMAN, PROFESSOR, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, I'M, I'M IMAGINING THAT THE, THE FINISH THAT, THAT THE CEILING HEIGHT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR NINE FEET, AND THAT THE FLOOR SPACE IS SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF 24 INCHES, IF NOT LESS, BUT THIS NINE 18 AND THEN, UM, UH, 20. AND THEN THAT THE PLATE LINE AND THE, YEAH. AT A SIX 12 PITCH IS WHATEVER IT IS. I MEAN, THERE'S, IT, IT ENDS WHERE IT ENDS, RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE NARROW SO THAT, THAT, THAT THE HEIGHT IS, IS NOT THAT HIGH, THAT THE OVERALL HEIGHT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF 25 FEET, 26 FEET ROUGHLY, YEAH. YEAH. ARE RECEIVING HEIGHTS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE, THE PLATES AT, AT PER THESE RENDER EIGHT FOOT, SO, OKAY. SO, UM, SO IT MAYBE LESS. OKAY. SO THEN JUST, JUST, JUST A, JUST FOR A NOTE FOR FUTURE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, OF, UH, ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ANOTHER D R C OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT'S ABOUT AS LOW AS THESE BUILDINGS CAN GET FOR TWO STORIES, RIGHT? SO WHETHER THEY'RE BROKEN UP OR WHAT, THAT IS A MINIMUM HEIGHT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY LOWER THAN A HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA HAVE 10 FOOT CEILINGS AND IS GONNA HAVE A, A MUCH HIGHER PITCH. UH, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. OH, ONE ONE COMMENT ON THE, UH, MEETING THAT WE HAD. ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW, UH, WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO MATCH THE PITCH OF THE ROOFS, UH, TO THE, TO THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE FACING HAY STREET SO THAT IT BLENDS. SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD THEM TALLER, SO WE LOWER THAT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON HAY STREET. UM, SO THAT WAS ONE THING TO, TO MAKE IT LOOK SIMILAR. HELLO, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, UH, MR. MR. FERNANDEZ, UH, BASED ON, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S REQUEST, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UH, PULL THIS CASE AND COME BACK TO US WITH, UH, CROSS SECTIONS OF THE SITE SHOWING THESE BUILDINGS IN CONTEXT WITH, UH, THE, UH, THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE ALLEY AND ALSO THE MAIN HOUSE UP ON, UH, EIGHTH, EIGHTH STREET, AND ALSO CLARIFY THE, THE CEILING HEIGHTS IN THESE BUILDINGS. UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT PLUS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE, TALK TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, SURE, I WOULD, I WOULD BE GLAD TO DO THAT. BUT COULDN'T WE DO THIS, LIKE, FOR THE FINAL, ISN'T IT PART OF THE FINAL DESIGN AND JUST TO INCORPORATE ALL THE CHANGES THAT, UH, THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION ALSO ALSO, UH, INCLUDED ALL THE, ALL YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT WE GO ONCE WITH THE ARCHITECT TO REFI, RECONFIGURE, UH, THE BUILDING WITH ALL THESE COMMENTS AND THEN, UH, TRY TO GET IT, UH, FOR THE FINAL, BECAUSE THE PLAN WAS TO ACTUALLY, UH, TURN THE BUILDINGS AROUND, SO TO CREATE THE FRONT PORCH, UH, AS, AS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE WOULD NEED TO BASICALLY REDUCE THIS THING, AND THEN WE INCLUDE ALL THE MEASUREMENTS AND EVERYTHING. , I, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I, I HAVE DIFFICULTY GOING THAT FAR WITH THIS WITHOUT HAVING SOME MORE CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION ON, ON THE PROPER, ON THE PROJECT. UM, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING CAN, CAN WE JUST GET APPROVAL NOW AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE FINAL PACKAGE, BUT SO OFTEN WE GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THEN SOMETHING COMES BACK AS THERE'S NOT QUITE WHAT WE EXPECTED. SO, UM, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN TAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE INCREMENTALLY. AND MY REQUEST FOR THE SECTIONS, KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE. IT CAN BE JUST PROFILES OVERALL, HEIGHTS, MASSES, THAT KIND OF THING. NO DETAIL REQUIRED. JUST GIVE US, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE, UH, HEIGHTS AND, AND MASSES, UH, OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY STRUCTURES. OKAY, [00:25:02] SURE. THIS IS, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER, SO, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE ASKING TO, UH, OR YOU'RE AGREEING TO PULL THE, PULL THIS APPLICATION AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE INFORMATION REQUESTED BY, UH, THE COMMISSION, CORRECT? YES. AND I THINK I WOULD, I THINK, I MEAN, DO ALSO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UM, HISTORIC PRESSURE PRESERVATION DID SO THAT WE INCLUDE THE, THE FRONT PORCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE FRONT. AND WE HAD SOME VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ THAT WE CAN SUMMARIZE AND PROVIDE TO YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. FERNANDEZ. LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, HAVE AN ACTION ON THE RECORD TO POSTPONE MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROJECT UNTIL THE APPLICANT CAN RETURN WITH REQUESTED, UH, EXHIBITS AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY. QUE SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH. I BELIEVE HE DROPPED OFF. UM, GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE, UH, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. AYE BETS? AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO INDIVIDUAL AGENDA. THANK YOU. UM, EDWARD HAS THE NEXT CASE, AND SO WE'LL GIVE HIM JUST A COUPLE MINUTES TO, UH, DIAL IN THAT APPLICANT. AND EDWARD, YOU LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? EDWARD? WE ARE STILL INTERCONNECTED. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. COULD YOU PUT BACK UP THE SPREADSHEET SO WE CAN SEE WHICH CASES HAVE, UH, COMMENTS? YES. AND LET'S ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT TOO. I, I RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDING DOCUMENT THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. EDWARD, EDWARD, I'M SORRY. YES, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE READY AND SO YOU WERE MUTED FOR THAT. CAN YOU START WITH READING THE CASE INTO THE RECORD AGAIN? OH, YES, I'M SORRY. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 [20-3932 Address/Description: 418 BARRERA HDRC Case No.: 2020-230 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Thomas Stamp/Currahee Property Solutions LLC Request: Construction of four, multi-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 1] H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 34 18 RERA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT FOUR MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT FOUR 18 RERA LOCATED WITHIN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS SLIDE IS CURRENTLY SUBDIVIDED INTO FOUR SEPARATE PARCELS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH SS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE ELEMENTS ON THE STREET. PATIENT DECIDES SUCH, SUCH AS TRADITIONAL PORCH ELEMENTS AS NOTED IN FINDINGS D N E TWO THAT THE APPLICANT ELIMINATE. THE THIRD STORY MASSING IS NOTED IN MASSING IS NOTED IN FINDING F THREE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A LOT COVERAGE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IS NOTED IN FINDING I FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED WINDOWS THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING K FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED DRIVEWAY WITH THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IS NOTED [00:30:01] IN FINDING M SIX THAT THE APPLICANT ELIMINATE THE FRONT YARD PARKING IS NOTED IN FINDING P AND ELIMINATE PARKING WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING O AND SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED A FRONT YARD WALKWAY AND SUBMIT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN IS NOTED IN FINDINGS Q AND R. I'LL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, THIS RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE LAST HEARING WHEN THIS WAS REVIEWED. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YES, SIR. ? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND, UH, PRESENT THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UM, AS MR. HALL HAD JUST SAID, UM, WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE, UH, UPDATED, UM, UH, CHANGES THAT WE HAD MADE TO OUR PLANS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, WE'RE NOT, UH, READY FOR REVIEW, UM, AT THE, UH, H D R C, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO. SO WE'RE BACK HERE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, LISTED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ED HAD JUST GONE THROUGH, UH, ALL OF THEM, UM, HAD BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR AT THIS POINT. AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PLANS, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'VE ALL BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND INCORPORATED INTO THE PLANS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO. UH, ONE IS THE LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IS, IS REALLY BEYOND OUR CONTROL, AND THEN WE CAN, UM, CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT. UH, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S, THE GUIDELINES ARE TALKING ABOUT 50% COVERAGE AND, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS UNIQUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, IT'S BEEN APPROVED ON VARIETY Z ZONING AND PLOTTED FOR THE FOUR PARCELS THAT YOU SEE, UH, IN THE SITE PLAN. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE, UH, THE FRONT YARD PARKING. UM, THERE'S A NOTE ABOUT THAT. WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR CREATIVE USE, UM, OF THAT SPACE SINCE THERE'S A, UH, 14 FOOT EASEMENT BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE BUILDING A AND THE SITE PLAN. UM, SO CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN GO AWAY, UH, IF NECESSARY. UM, WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO, UH, UH, MAKE SOME PRODUCTIVE USE OF THAT SPACE. BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS ELSE HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A, A UNIQUE PROPERTY, UH, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE HEIGHT. UH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PLANS, UH, THE HEIGHT OF BUILT OF STRUCTURES B, C, AND D REALLY IS MARGINAL COMPARED TO BUILDING A AT THIS POINT. UM, WE'VE JUST GOT THAT EXTRA, UH, THIRD, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A THIRD STORY, UM, THAT SQUARED OFF ELEMENT THAT LEADS UP TO THE UPPER TERRACE. UH, IT USED TO HAVE A GABLE, IT USED TO BE MUCH MORE PRONOUNCED AND, AND HIGHER. WE BROUGHT THAT DOWN AND, AND MADE IT A, UH, A LESS PRONOUNCED STRUCTURE, WHICH, UH, HOPEFULLY IS, IS, UM, MORE APPEALING AND, AND, UH, APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT, THAT'S OUR GENERAL INTENT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH THIS PROJECT, IS TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BE APPROPRIATE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND CERTAINLY AS YOU SEE, UM, IN THE PLANS THERE, YOU'LL SEE, UH, ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, UH, THERE'S A REPRESENTATION OF WHERE OUR PROJECT, UH, YOU'LL SEE PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT, UM, RERO, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON THE RENOVATION, WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR A THREE STORY, UH, LEVEL. UM, AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UM, UH, BUILT BACK THERE. AND THEN JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM IT ON LABOR STREET IS ANOTHER THREE STORY STRUCTURE. AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S APPROVAL IN PLACE FOR THE LOT RIGHT TO THE, UH, RIGHT OF THAT ONE FOR A, A LIKE STRUCTURE TO GO IN. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE WITH THAT, THAT VERY, UH, MODERATE, UH, TWO AND A HALF STORY PIECE STICKING UP THERE WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, MODEL D, C AND D IS, UH, REALLY, UM, INSIGNIFICANT RELATIVE TO WHAT'S AROUND IT. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE INCORPORATED EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED. UM, THE MAIN ISSUE I GUESS, SITTING OUT THERE IS THE LOT COVERAGE AND, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION. ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I THANK THE APPLICANT FOR COMING BACK AND, AND, UH, ALLOWING US TO SEE THE, UH, THE UPDATED MATERIALS. UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF DRCS ON THIS AND WE'VE, UH, DISCUSSED THE UNIQUE, UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY AND, AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND, UH, THE FACT THAT I D Z ZONING, UH, UH, SOMEWHAT, UH, UH, MITIGATES THE, UM, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE. SO, UM, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 4, 5, AND SEVEN. WE'RE GONNA ZOOM IN ON THOSE SO THAT WE HAVE 'EM FOR REFERENCE. [00:35:11] THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. UH, A SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FISH HAS DROPPED OFF. HE'S HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES. GIBBS, UH, COREY? UH, YES, I JUST HAD TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. MY, I MISSED THE WHOLE MOTION, BUT WHAT, WHAT WAS THE MOTION? OH, I'M SORRY. IT'S MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS ONE, FOUR AND 7 1 4 5 AND 7 1, 4, 5, AND SEVEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GIBBS. AYE. QUEZ? AYE. OLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE. FETZER. NAY. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM NUMBER [20-3933 Address/Description: 2158 W KINGS HWY HDRC Case No.: 2020-251 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: John Speegle/speegle & KIM-davis Architecture Request: Enclosure of front porch with windows and door City Council Dist.: 7] 25. CAN WE UNMUTE? WE, WE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25, CASE NUMBER 20 22 51 AT 2158 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE THE FRONT PORCH TO FEATURE FRENCH DOORS IN THE FRONT TWO ARCHES AND DOORS IN THE SIDE FACING ARCHES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C. THE APPLICANT SHOULD PERFORM IN-KIND RECONSTRUCTION AS APPROVED AND, UH, CATCHING UP THE COMMISSION. AS A CASE COMMENT, THIS REQUEST CAME TO US AS A VIOLATION. THE REQUEST HAS GONE TO TWO H D R C HEARINGS AND TWO D R C HEARINGS OR D R C MEETINGS AS RECENT UP UPDATED. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL THAT NOW FEATURES FRONT FACING DOORS IN AN ATTEMPT TO REINTRODUCE THE HEIGHT AND DEPTH OF THE ORIGINAL ARCHES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT MOST VISIBLE ON PAGE 13. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. BEFORE WE GET TO THE APPLICANT, UH, WE MUSTN'T FORGET THAT WE HAVE ONE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IN OPPOSITION, WHICH WE FORGOT TO READ ON THE PREVIOUS CASE. YEAH, I DO APOLOGIZE. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE PREVIOUS CASE COMMENT AS WELL AS THIS ONE? THEY COME FROM THE SAME PERSON? YES, PLEASE. UM, THE COMMENTS FOR ITEM 24, AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THAT, UM, COME FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR FOUR 18 RERA. THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION FOR FOUR MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THIS PARCEL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC BUILDING DENSITY PATTERNS. LOT COVERAGE INDICATED BY THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION EXCEEDS 50%, WHICH DOES NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES. THE OVERALL MASSING FOR THE FOUR UNITS IS ALSO INCONSISTENT WITH THE SCALE OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, THE, I, UH, THE COMMENTS FOR ITEM 25, UM, THE CONSERVATION SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO INCURS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO DENY APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE THE FRONT PORCH AT 2158 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. THE FRONT PORCH WAS A PROMINENT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF THIS TWO REVIVAL HOME SHOULD BE A RECONSTRUCTED TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. THIS DESIGN FEATURES SEGMENT SEGMENTAL ARCHED FORMS WITH DEEP REVEALS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY LOST AND ALTERED BY THE CURRENT WORK SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING A LARGE PORTION OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THIS HOME IN A MANNER THAT, IN A MANNER NOT REFLECTIVE OF ITS PHO CHARACTER, THE INKIND PORT CONSTRUCTION WAS GRANTED BY ADMINIS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HELD TO THE STIPULATIONS OF THIS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. UM, IS THE APPLICANT THERE? YES, I'M HERE. WELL, ACTUALLY I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE APPLICANT, JOHN SPIEGEL. AND WE, WE CAN HEAR YOU. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING IT OVER. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. JOHN, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, I CAN. OKAY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST TAKING A MOMENT TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION. MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE, WHILE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE LOOKING AT THAT, UH, MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, JOHN, IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY, UH, DISCUSS THE, UM, THE, THE CHANGES THAT HE DID, UH, BETWEEN THE LAST APP APPLICATION SUBMISSION AND THIS ONE. YES. WELL, OUR, WHAT WE PROPOSED THE LAST TIME WAS, WAS GOING WITH TWO RECTANGULAR WINDOWS AND BRICK BRICK [00:40:01] ACROSS THE FRONT. AND THE COMMISSIONERS PRETTY MUCH WERE WANTING US TO SOMEHOW GIVE A BETTER FEEL OF THE FRONT PORCH. AND THE IDEA WAS TO GO WITH FRENCH DOORS. SO THAT'S WHEN WE ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE, AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAME, WE'VE COME BACK WITH A DESIGN WHERE WE COME BACK WITH FRENCH DOORS GOING UP GROUND AND RECESSING IT. AND AT THAT POINT, UH, WE, WE'VE SUBMITTED THE SKETCH WITH THE DARK TUDOR BAND BANDING AND THE QUARTER ROUND TUDOR STYLE. UM, WE'RE GONNA STILL PUT THE BOX HEDGE ACROSS THE FRONT, BUT WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT IN THE RENDERING. SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE WOULD LOOK LIKE BEFORE THE HEDGE GOES IN. UM, THE DOOR WILL BE ASSESSED IN THE WALL, UH, IT'S GONNA BE SET BACK FROM THE TWO BY FOUR WALL WITH A TWO BY SIX FURRING. AND WE SHOW THAT IN THE DETAIL THAT IS, UH, THAT WAS ALSO ATTACHED. UM, THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE A SIDE JAM OF A SOLID WOOD WITH A THIN WOOD SLATE. UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK WITH THE ARCHES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY INAPPROPRIATE THE DESIGN BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE WITH THE HORIZONTAL DESIGN OF THE FRENCH DOORS. UM, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WHAT WE PROPOSING TO DO SINCE THE LAST, THAT'S BASICALLY MR. CARPENTER AGAIN. UM, CAN YOU, UH, TELL US WHAT THE MATERIALITY IS OF THE FRENCH DOORS ARE THE WOOD, UH, AND WHAT IS THE, UH, ANTICIPATE SIZE OF THE, LIKE THE MU BARS AND THAT KIND OF THING? I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE. SURE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. COULD YOU, UH, DESCRIBE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THE MATERIAL OF THE PROPOSED FRENCH DOORS, UH, THE SIZE, THE MUTTON BARS, AND, UM, ALSO WHAT IS THE TRANSITION DETAIL FROM THE BRICK TO THE STUCCO? THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME CHAMFORD, UH, KIND OF STRINGER COURSE OR SILL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE. CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? WELL, UM, THE FRENCH DOORS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE SEVEN FOOT TALL FRENCH DOORS. THE, UH, THEY'RE TWO BY FOUR LIGHTS. IT'S A TYPICAL OLD STYLE DOOR WITH, UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE ABOUT ONE INCH MOENS THAT GO ACROSS AND, AND VERTICAL, VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL MUL MULLIONS, UH, IT'S GOT ABOUT A SEVEN AND A HALF TO EIGHT INCH BOTTOM BASE PLATE. UM, IF YOU, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE'S A, THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY CLOSE TO THE SIDE DOORS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW THAT OR NOT, BUT THEY'RE, IT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE AN OLD STYLE FRENCH DOOR. AND WE'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE ALREADY PRICED CUSTOM DOORS THAT NEED TO BE FABRICATED. THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE OLD STYLE FRENCH DOORS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE MODERN STYLE FRENCH DOORS, THAT'S FOR SURE. UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT ON THE, THERE'S GONNA BE BRICK MASONRY BETWEEN THE, UH, BETWEEN THE WOOD BANDING IN THE, IN THAT CENTER SECTION AND THEN TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT OF THE FRENCH DOORS, WHERE, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SKETCH, I HAVE A LITTLE HAND NOTE THAT SAYS WHAT'S GOING THERE. UM, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ELSE YOU WANTED TO ACTUALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN. WELL, UH, YES, UH, MR. SPIEGEL, I WAS WONDERING THE DETAIL FROM THE, UH, THE WATER WATERCOURSE OF THE, OF THE BRICK TO THE STUCCO. WHAT, WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING THERE? ARE YOU INTRODUCING A BRICK LEDGE THERE? ARE YOU PUTTING, UH, A STUCCO? THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S A LITTLE SOLDIER COURSE THAT OCCURS THERE. LITTLE SOLDIER COURSE. IT'S A TYPICAL, IT'S A TYPICAL BRICK STEEL COURSE THAT IS DONE, HOUSES THIS STYLE. UH, YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON THE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE SECTION THERE THAT I'VE SHOWN THAT THAT DETAIL RIGHT THERE WE'RE, WE'RE ZOOMED IN ON THAT. EXCUSE ME. WE'RE ZOOMED IN ON THAT DETAIL NOW. OKAY. AND THE BANDING THAT YOU'RE INTRODUCING, IS THAT GONNA BE WOOD OR IS THAT GONNA BE BUILT UP OUTTA STUCCO LIKE A WOOD? IT'S A WOOD BANDING. IT'S A, IT'S A THREE QUARTER INCH BY SEVEN, A THREE QUARTER INCH BY SEVEN AND A QUARTER INCH WOOD BANDING, WHICH IS MATCHING THE DETAILING THAT'S ALREADY ON THE HOUSE AROUND, AROUND THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE HOUSE. CAN YOU, IF YOU, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT TOP OF THE BRICK, THAT'S A LITTLE BRICK SOLDIER COURSE THERE, THAT'S ANGLED. IT'S ABOUT A 30 30 DEGREE ANGLE THERE, UH, THAT GOES BACK TO THE HOUSE, AND THEN IT, IT HITS THE, UH, ONE BY EIGHT. IT'S A ONE BY EIGHT IS WHAT IT IS, DARK WOOD BANDING, AND THEN IT GOES BACK INTO THE STUCCO. [00:45:03] THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, THANK YOU FOR PROPOSING A, A, UH, THIS ALTERNATE PROPOSAL. UH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THOUGH. UM, ARE THE FRENCH DOORS, ARE THEY PAINTED WOOD OR ARE THEY YES, THEY'RE PAINTED WOOD. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THEY'RE PAINT, THEY'RE PAINTED WOOD. YES. AND THE TWO SIDE DOORS THAT ARE ALREADY INSTALLED, WHAT ARE THEY, THEY'RE PAINTED WOOD TOO. THOSE ARE THE, THEY'RE OLD DOORS THAT THEY HAD IN THE HOUSE HERE THAT THEY JUST REUSED, BUT THEY'RE PAINTED WOOD. OKAY. UM, ONE CONCERN THAT I EXPRESSED LAST TIME, AND I'VE STILL GOT IT HERE, IS, UH, THESE SINGLE SIDE DOORS, UM, THAT'S A MARKED CHANGE FROM THE, UM, ARCHED WIDER OPENINGS, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN THE HISTORIC PHOTO. AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE I CAN SUPPORT THOSE TWO SIDE DOORS. ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. SPIEGEL, THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE STUCCO AND, UH, THE CUT BRICK, UH, ON THE TWO SIDES, WHAT DOES THAT DETAIL LOOK LIKE GOING TO LOOK LIKE BETWEEN THE STUCCO AND THE BRICK THERE? THE VERTICAL JOINT, THE VERTICAL TRANSITION , BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME CUT BRICK, WHICH DOES NOT MAKE A GOOD END CONDITION FOR THAT BRICK. WELL, THE, THE MASON STILL HAS TO COME BACK AND PUT A FINISHED PIECE THERE, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE BRICK IS GONNA GO BACK TO THE STUCCO AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, A PAINTED WOOD MOLDING PIECE THERE. AND THEN, UH, I, I FORGOT I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY SKETCH REAL QUICK. UH, WHAT DO I HAVE THERE? UH, THERE IS A, UH, THERE THE STUCCO HITS A WOODEN MOLDING AT THAT CORNER. WHERE IS THE BRICK? THAT'S WHAT I'M DETAILING SHOWS THERE. SO THEY'RE PLANNING TO REMOVE THE CUT BRICK AND PUT IN, UH, EITHER FULL BRICKS OR HALF BRICKS SO THAT IT'S A FINISHED BRICK END. THERE'LL BE A, THERE'LL BE A FINISHED BRICK ON THAT EDGE THERE. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE, UH, A PAINTED WOODEN MOLDING THAT GOES THERE BETWEEN THE BRICK AND THE STUCCO. YEAH. CHAIRMAN FETZER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, I, I THINK IT RESPONDS TO THE LAST MEETING VERY WELL. UM, THERE'S JUST, UM, JUST ONE, ONE INCONSISTENCY THAT I THINK, UM, TAKES AWAY, UM, AND NOT TRYING TO MIMIC THE HOUSE. AND I KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW, UH, SOMEHOW ARCHITECTURALLY CHANGE WHEN, WHEN ALTERATIONS ARE MADE. UH, BUT, BUT THE, THE, UH, SQUARE AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE, UM, OF THE, UH, FACE BOARDS IN THE HOUSE, UM, THEY'RE NOT, UM, THEY'RE NOT EXTRUDED OR, OR ARTICULATED. THEY'RE JUST VERY PLAIN. UM, AND I, I'M, I'M THINKING THAT, THAT IT, IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. THEY SHOULD PROBABLY BE KEPT AS SIMPLE AS THEY ARE. UH, OTHERWISE, UH, ONE OTHER COMMENT IS THE SKETCH. AND I KNOW IT'S JUST A SKETCH, UM, THAT THE BRICK LEDGE HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION, UH, TO DRAW FROM THROUGHOUT THE BRICK LEDGES IN THE HOUSE. SO WHAT I'M SEEING FROM THE, FROM THE BRICK LEDGE, UH, ON THE GRAPHIC IS QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL SLOPE. I WOULD MINIMIZE IT, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, RATHER THAN MAKE A DECISION OF YOUR OWN, I WOULD TAKE IT FROM OTHER SPOTS ON THE HOUSE SO THAT THERE'S THAT CONSISTENCY AND VERY MINIMAL, VERY MINIMAL LINE. THOSE TWO LITTLE DETAILS, I THINK WILL, WILL KEEP IT ALL IN CONCERT WITH ITSELF. UM, I, I DO, UM, UH, KI KIND OF AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE SIZE OF THE SIDE DOOR, BUT LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, I THINK THAT PROPORTIONALLY IT'S HANDLED VERY WELL BECAUSE IT, IT WILL NO LONGER BE A BRICK WALL. IT'LL BECOME THIS, UM, COMBINATION OF A STUCCO PIECE AND BRICK WALL THAT I, I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY [00:50:01] THAT THEY WERE VERY CAREFUL AT THE WAY THAT THEY CUT THAT BRICK, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, IRREVERSIBLE, YOU KNOW, DAMAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S, IT IS REALLY CRITICAL THAT THEY HAD TO CUT THAT LINE, THAT THEY, THAT THEY WERE VERY CAREFUL TO CUT IT AS STRAIGHT AS THEY COULD. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S A, UM, SOMETHING THAT I THINK HELPS TO CREATE THAT PROPORTION. AND IT THAT'S AT THAT LINE DRAWN A LARGER ARCHWAY MAY NOT, IT MAY NOT READ IN THE SAME PROPORTION. SO I, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS, UH, UM, REALLY, REALLY TAKING THE LAST, UM, MEETING THAT WE HAD. BUT I DON'T KNOW, UM, THE, THE D R C I I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN. SO, UH, BUT, BUT I, I, I THINK I, I COULD SUPPORT THIS BASED ON THE LAST LEAD. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN. UH, CHAIRMAN ZER. I, I THINK THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT HAS, HAS DONE A, A VERY, YOU KNOW, CONFIDENT RESPONSE HERE, UH, AND TRY TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF A BAD SITUATION. I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY RE EGREGIOUS, UH, ALTERATION OF A REALLY IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THIS HOUSE. AND, AND I THINK, UM, IT'S DONE IT BEST TO, TO SALVAGE IT, UM, AND STILL, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE, UH, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, THE SALVAGE BRICK. UH, SO I'M, I'M A RELUCTANT SUPPORTER OF THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A LOT HAS BEEN ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY. AND I, I THINK, UH, IF I WERE TO TAKE MORE OF A PURE, UH, HARD LINE WITH THIS, I'D BE TOTALLY AGREEMENT WITH STAFF ON THIS. BUT I'VE ALSO CONSCIOUS THAT, UH, COGNIZANT THAT THIS APPLICANT, UH, IS, IS NEEDING TO MOVE ON AND, UH, TO TRY TO BE PRACTICAL ABOUT THIS AS WELL. UM, SO, UM, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, I, UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. THIS IS, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I, I TEND TO SECOND THIS. I, I WOULD ASK, UH, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, OR COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IF HE WOULD CONSIDER ADDING A NOTE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO FOLLOWING THE LINES OF THE, UM, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE BORDER BOARDS AND THAT THE BRICK SLOPES MATCH THE BRICK SLOPES FOUND IN THAT HOUSE. I CONSIDER THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. AND, UH, ADD THAT TO MY MOTION. I SECOND SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS NAY VELASQUEZ AYE. OLA AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE BET SIR. SIR, HON. NAYYY, THAT'S FOUR TO THREE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THE NEXT [20-3941 Address/Description: 328 E JOSEPHINE HDRC Case No.: 2020-252 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Kristen Weber/Don B. McDonald, Architect Request: Amendments to a previously approved design, landscaping, and new construction City Council Dist.: 1] CASE NUMBER 26, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WILL BE RECUSING, SO I'LL TURN MY VIDEO AND MUTE TO MY MIC. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THIS INTO THE RECORD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 52 3 28 EAST JOSEPHINE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN. WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE, TO ELIMINATE THE SOUTH FACING CLEAR STORY WINDOW, INSTALL A NORTH FACING CLEAR STORY WINDOW ON THE BAYLOR'S BAR STRUCTURE. TWO, ADD THREE NORTH FACING WINDOW TO THE BAYLOR'S BAR STRUCTURE. THREE, TO CONSTRUCT A RESTAURANT STRUCTURE UTILIZING THE DOORS, WINDOWS, EXTERIOR MATERIALS, CHIMNEY, BRICK, AND INTERIOR SIDING OF THE BAYLOR'S HOUSE FOR FEASIBLE BAYLOR'S HOUSE WILL BE DEMOLISHED. FOUR, SHIFT THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED NORTH STONE WALL TO THE SOUTH TO ACT AS A PARAPET WALL TO THE BAYLOR'S BAR. KITCHEN EDITION. FIVE TO CREATE TWO BARBECUE PITS AND ROOFS WITH EXHAUST VENTS IN THE BAYLOR'S BAR KITCHEN COURTYARD. SIX, TO EXTEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ARVA STRUCTURE, THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PARKING LOT TO JOSEPHINE STREET. SEVEN TO CONSTRUCT THE BRICK WALL BENEATH THE ARVA RESTRUCTURE AND ADJACENT TO THE WALKWAY TO [00:55:01] RUN FROM THE BAYLOR'S BAR NORTH ACROSS THE CONCRETE PARKING LOT TO JOSEPHINE STREET. AND A, TO CONSTRUCT THE SITE FALL TO BE LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF JOSEPHINE AND AVENUE A TO SPEND THE LENGTH OF THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF BAYLOR'S. AND AT THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY ALONG JOSEPHINE, TWO ADDITIONAL LOW WALLS ARE PROPOSED AT THE JOSEPHINE STREET PARKING LOT APPROACH IN THE AVENUE. A PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE AMENDMENT TO THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED CLEAR STORY WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING B, THE STIPULATION THAT WINDOWS MATCH THOSE EXISTING IN REGARDS TO PROFILE MATERIAL AND INSTALLATION DEPTH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF THREE NEW WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE BASED ON FINDING C, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WINDOWS MATCH THOSE EXISTING IN REGARDS TO PROFILE MATERIAL AND INSTALLATION DEPTH STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW RESTAURANT STRUCTURE, WHICH IS STIPULATION THAT MATERIALS FROM BAYLOR'S HOUSE BE SALVAGED FOR USE IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR USE IN ANOTHER HISTORIC PROPERTY. THE BAYLOR'S HOUSE IS NOT A DESIGNATED HISTORIC PROPERTY AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR DEMOLITION. IF THE H D R C APPROVES THE REQUEST AS PROPOSED, A DEMOLITION PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM OF THREE LOCATION OF THE NORTHERN BRICK WALL. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AS SUBMITTED. BASED ON FINDING E ITEM FIVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED BARBECUE PIT EDITION AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING F. ITEM SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ARBOR EXTENSION AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING G. ITEM SEVEN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED BRICK WALKWAY BASED AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING H AND ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT WALLS BASED ON FINDING I, WITH THE STIPULATION OF THE PROPOSED WALLS DO NOT EXCEED SIX FEET AND HEIGHT. AND AS NOTED PREVIOUSLY, I HAVE THE APPLICANT AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ON THE PHONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. HALL. UM, COULD YOU, UH, PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE? YES, I CAN DO THAT NOW. UM, WE HAVE ONE LETTER IN YOUR, YOUR REVIEW FOLDER AS WELL AS ONE THAT'LL BE READ FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THE SOCIETY OPPOSES THE PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE ONE STORY HOUSE AT 9 23 AVENUE. A REFERRED TO VARIOUSLY AS BAYLOR'S HOUSE OR THE R HOUSE, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN FOR THE BAYLOR COMPLEX, NOT ONLY HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF PRESERVING THIS VICTORIAN COTTAGE, BUT USING IT TO RETAIN THE INTIMACY OF THE STREETS SCAPE. THAT CREATES A PUBLICLY INVITING GATEWAY TO THE, IF IT'S NO LONGER FEASIBLE TO INCORPORATE THIS HOUSE INTO THE PROJECT, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE HOUSE BE MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IF IT IS STURDY ENOUGH TO BE RAISED SIX TO SEVEN FEET, IT CAN ALSO BE REUSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. MR. MCDONALD. UM, PERHAPS TO STREAMLINE THIS A BIT, DO YOU WOULD LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, MAYBE RESPOND TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE STAFF THAT HAVE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU ARE TAKING EXCEPTION TO? DOES AN AWFUL LOT APPEAR TO BE, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL? RIGHT. WE, WE, WE DON'T TAKE ANY EXCEPTION TO THE RECOMMENDATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRIMARY TWO ARE THE TWO, THE WALLS, RIGHT? THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT ON THE WALL. WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAYBE, UM, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT IT, RIGHT. BUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ON BOARD WITH THE SIX FOOT ROOT WALL STIPULATION. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND MAYBE IT'S JUST ME THAT I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AUDIO, UH, PROBLEMS HEARING YOU ALL, UM, RESPOND. COULD YOU OH, WE, WE, WE, WE CONCUR WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. GREAT. THAT'S MUCH CLEARER. THANK YOU. WHATEVER YOU DID IS EXCELLENT. UM, COULD YOU COMMENT ON THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT, UH, RELOCATION OF, UH, THE BAYLOR HOUSE AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY INVESTIGATION INTO THAT AS A POSSIBLE ROUTE RATHER THAN DEMOLITION? YEAH. WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE PUSHED FROM DAY ONE TO MAKE THIS HOUSE WORK. AND, AND WITH THE NEW TENANT AND, AND, AND ADDITIONAL SPACE CONFIGURATIONS, WE, WE ENDED UP MODIFYING TWO SIDES OF THE HOUSE. THREE SIDES ACTUALLY. AND THE BIGGER PROBLEM HAS BEEN THAT AS, AS OUR SCOPE HAS INCREASED BENEATH THE HOUSE, ORIGINALLY THE COTTAGE SET ON WHAT WAS INTERPRETED AS A LITTLE STONE FLINT. AS THE FLINT GREW, IT BECAME KIND OF AWKWARD BECAUSE THEN IT WAS SIMPLY A, A, A PREY HOUSE. THAT, THAT, THAT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE IN THAT LOCATION. SO, SO AS IF IT'S UNFOLDED, UH, WE, WE REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE D N A OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE INTACT. WE, WE THINK THERE'S THE, THE ADDED BENEFIT [01:00:01] OF, OF REESTABLISHING SOME OF THE CONTEXT. WHEN BAYLOR'S BAR WAS ON AVENUE A, IT WAS A REALLY CHARMING LITTLE STREET. WE THINK THAT THE, THE LONG PORCH OF OVER AVENUE A IS, IS, IS REALLY BENEFICIAL. AND, AND WE LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF HOLDING ONTO THE MATERIAL. WE LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF OF, OF USING ALL THE DOORS AND WINDOWS. IT ADDS A CERTAIN, UH, UM, IT KEEPS THE HOUSE FROM BEING TOO PRISTINE. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND SO WE LIKE KEEPING THE D N A OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. SO IF WE CAN UTILIZE THE WOOD SIDING, THE DOORS, THE WINDOWS, AND THEY DON'T ALL MATCH AND THEY'RE A LITTLE OFF. AND, AND, BUT WE THINK THAT WOULD, WOULD REINFORCE THE CHARACTER OF, OF, OF THIS BUILDING. SO WE, WE'D LIKE TO REALLY REQUEST THAT, THAT, UH, Y'ALL ALLOW TO UTILIZE THE MATERIALS ON THIS STRUCTURE. OKAY. OPEN THIS UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'M NOT AT ALL SURE ANYBODY CAN HEAR ME. I REJOINED THE MEETING. UH, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN AND I SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE DO ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ? AYE. VIOLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. LAO. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. A THAT BRINGS [20-3957 Address/Description: 2110 W KINGS HWY HDRC Case No.:2020-272 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Robert Guerrero /JR Guerrero Roofing Request: Roof replacement from composition shingle to standing steam metal City Council Dist.: 7] US TO ITEM 27. STEPHANIE, ARE YOU THERE? HOLD ON. OKAY. STEPHANIE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. AND I HAVE THE, UM, APPLICANT CELESTE ON THE LINE LINE. I WILL READ STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FIRST. SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER 27 H T R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 2 72 ADDRESS, 2110 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLES AND INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON BIND. F. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OF ASPHALT SHINGLES BE INSTALLED IF METAL IS DESIRED BY THE APPLICANT FOR ITS LIFESPAN. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS A METAL PRODUCT THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE OF TRADITIONAL SHINGLES BASED ON FINDING E AS I MENTIONED, CELESTE IS ON THE LINE. CELESTE, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? HI, UM, I'M CELESTE AND MY HUSBAND AND I OWN THIS HOUSE. IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO PROBABLY BE OUR RETIREMENT HOME. WE OWN SIX OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND ACTUALLY WE'RE INSPIRED, UH, TO HAVE A ENOUGH ROOF IN PART BY THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, OR THE HOUSE ON WEST , WHICH IS A, A VERY SIMILAR HOME TO OUR HOME. UM, AND, UM, UH, SUBMITTED PHOTOGRAPHS OF SIMILAR TUTOR HOUSES WITH METAL ROOFS WHERE WE WANT THE STEAM ROOFS BECAUSE OF THE DURABILITY, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE, UH, CHEAPEST OPTION OR ASPHALT ROOF WOULD PROBABLY COST US ABOUT 7,000. THIS ROOF'S GONNA BE ABOUT 22, 20 $3,000. UM, WE LOOKED INTO THE OPTION OF THE, UM, METAL SHINGLES. AND, UM, IN TALKING TO, TO THE FEW PEOPLE LOCALLY THAT DO THAT, UH, THAT WOULD REALLY DOUBLE THE COST OF A ROOF WOULD MAKE IT A $44,000 ROOF. UM, THE PHOTOS COMMITTED A SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTIES. UH, WERE ALL, UH, PRETTY RECENT, UM, APPROVALS. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, CLUB WAS GRANTED BECAUSE OF SOME KIND OF INSURANCE ISSUE. UM, I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THIS HOUSE IS, UH, THE REVIVAL. IT HAS NO HOUSE TIMBERS. IT HAS NO STONES. UH, THE FRONT DOOR DOESN'T FACE THE FRONT. IT ACTUALLY FACES THE DRIVEWAY. AND THEN WE HAVE A VERY UNUSUAL, UH, PORT CHE, UM, DRIVEWAY. UH, WE WANT THE, THE, THIS TYPE OF ROOF BECAUSE OF ITS, UH, DURABILITY ON LONG LIFE, UH, AND TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, WE PREVIOUSLY HAD, UM, SEAMLESS, UM, LEAF GUARD GUTTERS, UH, PUT IN. AND WE'VE HAD THOSE REMOVED, UH, [01:05:01] TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE, UH, WHATEVER NEW ROOFING IS, UH, DONE. UM, WE, UM, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, UH, THE HOUSE ON WEST ATCH IS, UH, THREE TENTHS OF A MILE AWAY FROM, UH, 21 10TH WEST KINGS. THE HOUSE ON CLUB IS EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE. UH, THE HOUSE ON MISSILE TOE IS SIX TENTHS OF A MILE, AND THE HOUSE ON FUR IS FIVE TENTHS OF A MILE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSION, UH, TO APPROVE. CHAIRMAN FETZER, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, NORMALLY I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO, UH, THE IDEA OF, UH, METAL ROADS, EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT HIS, UH, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL TO THE HISTORIC HOUSE. UM, I THINK STAFF MAKES A REALLY GOOD, UH, COMMENT ON THEIR FINDING E ABOUT SORT OF THE, THE SPIRIT AND THE CHARACTER OF WHAT, UH, THE TUTOR REVIVAL, UH, WAS ALL ABOUT. AND IT WAS ABOUT A RECAPTURING OF, OF HANDCRAFTED, UH, SKILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THIS IS VERY MUCH A TUTOR REVIVAL. THERE'S A TUTOR, UH, ARCH OVER THE BOOK OF SHARE. THERE'S A STEEP ROOF, UH, PITCH THAT'S CHARACTERISTIC OF, OF IT ASYMMETRICAL DESIGN. SO IT'S, IT IS MOST DEFINITELY A, A TUTOR REVIVAL. UM, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALSO, UH, COGNIZANT THAT, UH, THE METAL ROOFS ARE KIND OF A REGIONAL ADAPTATION, UM, THAT WE HAVE IN THIS AREA. AND WE OFTEN SEE THAT ON, UH, PARTICULARLY MORE IN THE, UH, ARTS AND CRAFTS, UM, UH, OR MISSION STYLE HOMES. WE HAVE A FLAT SEA. IF YOU WERE TO GO THE ROUTE OF THE, OF THE METAL ROOF, I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, THE EXAMPLE AT, UH, 1951 WEST MISSILE TOE IS A GOOD ONE TO POINT TO. IT HAS A LARGE PREFABRICATED, UH, RICH CAP AND KIND OF CLUNKY, UH, SEEMING. AND SO I THINK, UH, THE, SO SEVERAL OTHERS WOULD, I WOULD BE MORE SYMPATHETIC TOO. BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. WELL, 2027 WITH, UM, WHEAT THAT IS REALLY THE MOST SIMILAR HOUSE TO OUR HOUSE. AND I THINK THAT THAT ROOF GOES VERY WELL WITH THAT HOUSE. AND THAT'S A, A VERY NEW ROOF. UH, THE HOUSE WAS RECENTLY, UH, REDONE. I'M NOT SURE WHEN. I'M NOT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHEN Y'ALL APPROVED THAT, BUT IT'S, UH, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT WASN'T EVEN THE SAME ARCHITECT. EVEN THE STUCCO IS SIMILAR. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN. I AGREE THAT IS A BETTER EXAMPLE TO LOOK AT IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, DO A TRANSITION TO METAL ROOF RATHER THAN THE SHINGLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN STAFF TOLD MY ROOFER, WELL, THERE ARE NO TUTORS WITH METAL ROOFS. YOU KNOW, I CAME UP WITH THESE PHOTOGRAPHS. UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO PHOTOGRAPH, UH, OF YOURS OR MINE THAT REALLY SHOWS THE FRONT, UH, DOOR OF THE HOUSE. BUT THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOUSE IS REALLY ODD. IT SITS ON A PATIO, UM, FACING THE DRIVEWAY. UH, AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE FRINGE DOOR ALSO ON THE DRIVEWAY. UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY A FRIDGE DOOR, BUT IT'S SORT OF A BOW FRINGE DOOR. BUT, AND WE JUST WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO STAND THE TEST OF TIME. AND, AND, UH, I LOOKED AT THE LINK THAT STAFF SENT ME, UH, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE METAL SHINGLES THAT ARE ALUMINUM THAT ARE PUT AT, I GUESS ONE AT A TIME. WE WANTED SOMETHING IN SHEETS, UH, FOR DURABILITY, UH, AND TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURE. AND THIS IS A REAL HIGH PITCHED ROOF. UH, YOU, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO 2027 WESLEY FISH. UM, YOU KNOW, MISSILE TONE'S KIND OF AN ABO NATION BECAUSE THEY ADDED THAT COMPARE STONE. AND IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT UM, I, UM, WE'RE WANTING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DURABLE. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE OUR, WE'RE GONNA BE DOWNSIZING FROM OUR 4,400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON THE BLOCK IN FRONT ON WEST GRANDER SEA. AND MOVING INTO THIS HOUSE IS OUR RETIREMENT HOME. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY MENTIONED THAT IF, UM, A METAL IS DESIRED BY THE APPLICANT OR IT'S [01:10:01] LIFESPAN, THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS A METAL PRODUCT THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE OF TRADITIONAL SHINGLES. UM, BASED ON FINDING C ARE YOU ABLE TO DO WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THEIR, UM, UH, THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU PROVIDED OF THE, UH, METAL ROOF? THAT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAVE YOU TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED HERE? UH, I CONTACTED SOUTHWEST METAL ROOFING, WHICH IS NOT THE ROOFER WHO'S OUR APPLICANT HERE. OUR, OUR ROOFER, WHO'S THE APPLICANT HERE, DOES NOT DO THAT TYPE OF ROOF. IN FACT, THE THREE OTHER ROOFERS THAT WE OBTAINED BIDS, BIDS FROM, NONE OF 'EM DO THAT TYPE OF ROOF. UH, SOUTHWEST , IT WOULD BE TWICE THE COST OF THE, UM, OF THE SINGLE SCENE ROOF. AND THIS IS A SMALL HOUSE, IT'S 1700 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, ALREADY AT 22 K. THAT'S A, A BIG EXPENSE FOR A ROOF, BUT MAKING IT A 44 K ROOF, UM, UM, MADE IT BEYOND OUR, UM, ABILITY TO AFFORD IT. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO THIS HOUSE SINCE WE BOUGHT IT. WE RE WE REWIRED IT, WE REFINISHED THE HARDWOOD FLOORS, WE REDID THE PLUMBING. UM, WE ALREADY PUT A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY INTO THIS HOUSE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, AGAIN. SO CURIOUS, YOU'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES NOW ABOUT COST. SO, UM, REPLACING IT WITH, UM, WHAT IT IS NOW WITH THE ASPHALT SHINGLES, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMAL COST. SO, SO I'M, I'M KIND OF A HARD TIME TRYING TO, TO COME TO GR WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE COST WHEN YOU'RE WILLING SPEND MORE, EXCUSE ME, WE DON'T SPENDING $22,000 FOR A METAL ROOF THAT'S GONNA REALLY WITHSTAND, UH, TIME AND, AND BE DURABLE. UH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT I WAS TOLD BY THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DO THE METAL SHEET ROOFS THAT FIX THE FILE THAT I COULD FIND LOCALLY IS THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE DOUBLE THE PRICE OF A, UM, SINGLE THEME ROOF. UM, AND I THINK PART OF THAT'S LABOR BECAUSE OF THE HIGH PITCH OF THE ROOF. I DON'T KNOW, MY HUSBAND'S HERE WITH ME. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE HE'D LIKE TO ADD. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER. MAY I SPEAK WITH YOUR PERMISSION? UH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. UM, I, I COME FROM AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND AND, YOU KNOW, MY PRINCIPLE IN, UH, APPROACHING ANY CHALLENGE THAT I ENCOUNTER IN LIFE IS HOW TO SOLVE THE ISSUE FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY OR METHOD OF DOING IT. AND, UH, HAVING STUDIED THE POSSIBILITIES THAT EXIST, UM, FOR PUTTING A NEW ROOF ON THERE, UH, THE COMMISSIONER THAT SUGGESTED THE, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLES IS CORRECT AND, UH, WE CAN GO WITH THAT AND SAVE A LOT OF MONEY, UH, BUT YET THE HOUSE WILL NOT BE AS, UH, DURABLE AS IT WOULD BE HAD IT BEEN UPGRADED TO A METAL UH, ROOF. AND THE METAL ROOF. WE INVESTIGATED ABOUT HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT METAL ROOFERS, UH, IN TOWN WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE, UH, TYPE OF METAL ROOF THAT RESEMBLES SHINGLES. AND, UH, THIS WAS THE MOST, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WITH THE LONGEST WARRANTY, UH, ON, ON THE ROOF. AND BEING THAT WE INTEND TO RETIRE THERE, WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROVIDE US WITH THE LONGEST WARRANTY TIME THAT EXISTS. AND ALSO, IN MY OPINION, THE WARRANTY IS A TESTAMENT TO THE MATERIAL AND THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND IT'S SUPERIOR EVEN TO THE METAL ROOF THAT IS, UH, THE SINGLE ROOF SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS LESS COMPONENTS AND IT HAS BETTER, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LESS THE COMPONENTS OR THE, UH, LESS ISSUES, ONE IS TO HAVE WITH ANY TYPE OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION BASICALLY. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THAT. AND I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR, ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE WAY THAT YOU CAME ABOUT YOUR DECISION, UM, AND THE, THE WAY THAT YOU, YOU WEIGHED THOSE OPTIONS. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IS THAT JUST LIKE THE OTHER HOMES THAT YOU GUYS OWN, THAT THIS HOME IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT HAS THAT OTHER LAYER OF THAT HISTORIC REQUIREMENT ON THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT TODAY, IS TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE, THE, THE VALUES OF THE, THE, UH, STYLE OF THE HOME THAT YOU, THAT, THAT BROUGHT YOU TO THIS HOME ORIGINALLY AND BRING PEOPLE TO THIS HOME IN [01:15:01] THE FUTURE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, CONCEPTUALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO AN IDEA OF A ROOFING SITUATION LIKE THIS, I WOULD TYPICALLY BE IN THE, IN THE BOAT OF MAINTAINING THE SHINGLES OR MAIN, YOU KNOW, UPGRADING IT TO METAL SHINGLES. UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS IS, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE IN THE, UH, UH, UH, HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION OF THIS HOME THAT SHOWS A METAL ROOF, UH, OF ANY KIND OTHER THAN AN ASPHALT ROOF? NO, BASED ON THE SANDBORN MAPS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THAT OR EVIDENCE AT ALL. YEAH. SO I, I THINK THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A DURABILITY ISSUE BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSFER BETWEEN AN ASPHALT SHINGLE AND A METAL PANEL. I THINK FOR CONSISTENCY WITH, WITH WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THE PAST AS, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION, IT'S TO TRY TO STICK WITH THE MATERIALS THAT WERE LOCAL TO THE HOUSE AND TO THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH TO ME WOULD BE A SHINGLE STYLE ROOF. UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE SENSE HERE, OR AN ASPHALT SHINGLE OR A METAL SHINGLE, UM, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, IF, IF I MAY JUST, UH, MOVE FORWARD TO THAT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. UM, MY ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE HISTORIC PRINCIPLE AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE AESTHETICS OF A HISTORIC HOME, UM, AND AGAIN, COMING FROM AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF AESTHETICS HAS TO GO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE IDEA OF PRESERVATION. AND A METAL ROOF OBVIOUSLY WOULD, UH, PROVIDE MUCH LONGER LONGEVITY THAN AN ASPHALT ROOF, BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU, YOU WORK ON A ROOF IN TERMS OF REPLACING A ROOF, THERE IS TEAR AND WEAR TO THE HOUSE AS WELL. UH, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT METAL ROOFS HAVE EXISTED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, AND YOU COULD ARGUE THAT AT THE TIME THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, HAD THE BUILDER CHOSEN TO DO SO, THEY COULD HAVE EASILY PUT A METAL ROOF BACK ON THE HOUSE BACK AT THAT TIME SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT OPTION WAS READILY AVAILABLE. UH, I THINK IT WAS JUST A FUNCTION OF COST THAT THEY CHOSE TO GO WITH THE ASPHALT RATHER THAN THE METAL. AND, UH, HAD THEY, UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST CONJECTURE ON MY PART IN TERMS OF, UH, THE, THE COST FACTOR. BUT, UH, THE ARGUMENT POINT IS THAT METAL ROOFS HAVE EXIST, EXISTED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, AND AGAIN, UH, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN CHOSEN AT THE TIME THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. AND EVEN HOUSES THAT ARE MUCH OLDER IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, UH, HAVE METAL ROOFS, UM, ON THEM THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, TWO, MAYBE TWO TO 150 YEARS OLD AND THAT ARE STILL IN EXISTENCE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE LONGEVITY OF ANOTHER ROOF. YEAH, NO, I, I 100% AGREE WITH YOU, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A, IS A VERY GOOD POINT, BUT I, I THINK THAT IT REALLY MAKES THE POINT FOR THIS HOME. I MEAN, LIKE, I'M, I'M BASICALLY, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND, AND WE, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS ON THIS PANEL, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T USE METAL, YOU KNOW, A METAL ROOF, YOU KNOW, THE METAL SHINGLE ROOF WOULD BE OKAY HERE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE RUNNING INTO THAT SAME CONVERSATION THAT YOU WERE JUST BRINGING UP, IS THAT THEY WENT WITH ASPHALT BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF COST. AND SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IF METAL ROOFS WERE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTED, THEN THEY MADE THE CHOICE THAT WAS A DESIGN DECISION THAT WAS MADE FOR THIS HOUSE TO GO WITH AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF, WHICH WAS A SHING IZED SYSTEM. AND SO I THINK, UH, IT MAKES SENSE, UM, TO MAINTAIN THAT HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN YOU'RE JUST FACED WITH THAT SAME DECISION OF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S, IF WE STICK WITH A SHINGLE EYES ROOF, THEN WE HAVE ASPHALT SHINGLE VERSUS METAL SHINGLE. AND AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO COST. AND IF THAT DURABILITY IS WORTH IT, UM, TO YOU IN THE, IN THE LONG RUN, AND THAT'S SIMPLY MY PERSPECTIVE. UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON, ON HOW THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, PERCEIVE THIS CASE, MS. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, I, I, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY, UH, WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG, UM, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF, UH, [01:20:01] PERSPECTIVES OF, OF, UM, MAINTAINING, UH, BUILDINGS. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A QUESTION THAT, I MEAN, WE COULD ALL HAVE, RIGHT? THE REAL WEAR AND TEAR WOULD OCCUR AROUND THE EVE OR THE LACK OF AN EVE, RIGHT? WHERE THE WATER DRIPS AND THERE'S NO SOLUTION IN THE PAST AND THERE'S NO SOLUTION PRESENTED IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? AT LEAST NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION FOR THERE TO BE ANY MITIGATION OF WATER RUNOFF RIGHT ONTO THE VERTICAL STUCCO. I, I, I CAN SEE THE POINT ON THE METAL, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO PLAY OUT, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FLAT, UH, RIDGE OR BENT, FOLDED, FOLDED SINK AND, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A RIDGE THAT, THAT DIDN'T HAVE A RIDGE CAP LIKE THAT OTHER HOUSE THAT WAS SHOWN THAT REALLY THROWS THAT HOUSE OFF. UM, AND I ONLY SAY THAT, I ONLY SAY THAT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, OF NOT SAYING, UM, METAL OR SHINGLE, BUT SAYING ACHIEVING THE GENERAL AESTHETIC, WHICH IS A VERY CLEAN, VERY FLAT, VERY, UM, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SHAKE ROOF THAT I'M LOOKING AT THERE, RIGHT? LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SLATE, UH, A SHINGLE. THE CHARACTER IS FOUND, I THINK IN THE, IN THE DULLNESS OF THE STUCCO AND THE, AND THE REALLY, UM, UH, FLATNESS, UH, AND THE DARK AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND THAT, THAT COLOR, THAT THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO, I THINK THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED WITH METAL. BUT ONCE YOU, IN, ONCE YOU BRING IN, UH, HIGH, UM, HIGH, UH, UM, JOINTS, AND MOST DEFINITELY, UH, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE ROOFERS LIKE TO USE NOW, THOSE RICH CAPS, IT CHANGES, IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE COMPLETELY. SO I WOULD THINK IF YOU WERE ABLE TO BRING AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A A OR A ROOFER THAT COULD ACHIEVE A FLAT SEAM WITH NO RICH CAP, THAT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY GET CLOSER TO WHAT THE INTENT IS BECAUSE I, I WOULD, AND I WOULD, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ASK FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT IN A WAY THIS HOUSE IS SO ABSTRACT THAT IF YOU JUST SQUINT YOUR EYES AND JUST LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF WHAT IT'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE, IT'S A CLEANNESS OF THE LINES THAT IT'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE. UH, THE ONLY THING IS WITH RESPECT TO THE ASPHALT SHINGLES, UH, IT IS A VERY HIGH SLOPE, VERY STEEP SLOPE. SO WATER I IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY A, A, A MASSIVE ENEMY TO THIS, TO THIS ROOF, A A AND, AND THERE ARE DEFINITELY GREAT IMPROVEMENTS DONE TO ASPHALT SHINGLES THESE DAYS. I'M WONDERING WHETHER THE BACK IS MORE INTRICATE, AND THAT'S WHY MAYBE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT WATER INFILTRATION, BECAUSE FROM THE VISION, FROM THE, FROM THE VISUAL OF THE FRONT, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE, ONE VALLEY THAT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THE WHOLE HOUSE HAS TWO VALLEYS, WHICH IS A VERY SIMPLE ROOF AND VERY EASY TO GET A 30 YEAR, UM, UH, GOOD QUALITY ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF. AND SO IN A WAY, YOU'RE KIND OF LUCKY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS. UM, BUT, BUT LIKE, AGAIN, UH, WITH RESPECT TO MATERIALITY AND THE ARGUMENT THAT'S MADE FOR BOTH, I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT THE INTENT. AND IF YOU COULD FIND A ROOFER THAT COULD GIVE YOU THAT FLAT INTENT, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH COMMISSION LOOKING AT IT. BUT THAT WOULD MEAN ANOTHER MEETING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. WE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY, SIR, WE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE, WE HAVE, BECAUSE THE ROOF THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU ARTICULATED, A METAL ROOF WITH NO CAP AT THE NO CAP, PRECISE, A CLEAN OUTLINE, THAT IS WHAT THIS ROOFER IS, IS, UH, GOING TO DO FOR US. WELL, THEN I WOULD ASK MY COMM, FEDERAL COMMISSIONERS TO SEE, MAYBE CONTINUE IT AND HAVE THEM BRING IN A SAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. COMMISSIONER ALA, I, I AGREE WITH THAT, IS IF WE CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE, UM, ME, FOR ME, THE BIGGEST, UH, THING THAT'S COMPELLING ME TO SUPPORT A METAL ROOF FOR THEM IS THE EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. ALBEIT IT WASN'T MAYBE US, BUT THIS BODY HAS SET A PRECEDENT BEFORE, SO I, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ME, MRS. I DO WANT TO ADD, WE HAVE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE INCLUDE A STIPULATIONS WHENEVER METAL ROOF IS APPROVED. UM, SO THAT ELIMINATES THE CONCERN ABOUT THE RAISED MANUFACTURED RIDGE CAP BENT. IT'S A C CRIM RIDGE SEAM, AND SO IT DOES ACHIEVE THAT SORT OF CLEAN APPEARANCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO I MEAN, IT'S FINE IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT, BUT WE ROUTINELY DO THIS AND, AND DO A FIELD INSPECTION WITH THE ROOFING CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEING MET. AND SO IF THAT WAS INCLUDED AS A STIPULATION [01:25:01] TODAY, WE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT. AND, AND COREY, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE, UH, THE, UH, SEAMS, YES. INCLUDES, UH, DIMENSIONAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE SEAMS, AND THEN REQUIREMENT FOR A DOUBLE MUNCH RIDGE CAP, NOT, EXCUSE ME, NOT A CAP, A RICH, UH, SCENE. SO, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I, UM, YEAH, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE, THE SHINGLE IS, IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, THE CHARACTER HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOUSE. AND THEY WOULD'VE HAD EITHER WOOD SHAKE ON THE HOUSE, THAT'S TWO STREETS, THE TWO, TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM ME, OR THEY WOULD'VE HAD A SLATE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, MENTIONED, OR CLAY TILE, WHICH THEY HAVE ON MY HOUSE, WHICH IS ALSO INTO THE REVIVAL. THOSE WERE THE MORE TYPICAL PALETTE. IT WASN'T JUST A, A RANDOM DECISION ON WHAT THEY CHOSE TO USE. IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC INTENT HERE. AND NOT ALL, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFS ARE MADE THE SAME. THERE'S, THERE ARE, UH, HIGH DIMENSIONAL SHINGLES. THEY'VE GOT 30 YEAR, UH, WARRANTIES TO THEM, VERY HIGH QUALITY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE RUNOFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE COULD BE THE INTRODUCTION OF COPPER GUTTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH, WITH THE, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THIS HOUSE. I, UM, I, I'M RELUCTANT, WHILE THERE CAN BE SHOWN EXAMPLES OF HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE STANDING SEA METAL ROADS, NONE OF THOSE ARE ORIGINAL TO THOSE HOUSES. THEY'RE ALL LATER MODIFICATIONS THERE. WHEN WE HAVE AGREED TO DOING METAL ROADS IN THE PAST, PARTICULARLY, LIKE I MENTIONED ON THE MISSION STYLE ONES, IS BECAUSE THEY HAD METAL ROADS OR THAT WAS NOT UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO HAVE METAL ROADS, UH, FOR, UH, TUTOR REVIVAL, THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY DID. AND, UM, SO I'M, I'M VERY RELUCTANT TO, TO, UH, SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, OF GOING TO, UH, A STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF ON THIS. I THINK STAFF WAS CORRECT, THAT IT, IT OUGHT TO BE A DIMENSIONAL HANDCRAFTED KIND OF THING. SOMETHING THAT'S GOT THAT HUMAN SCALE THAT CONTRASTS WITH THE MONOLITHIC NATURE OF THE PLASTER, UH, OF THE STUCCO WALLS, CONTRAST THAT'S GOING ON HERE. THAT WAS VERY, VERY MUCH PART OF THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN OF THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER COMM, UH, UM, CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS VERY, VERY MUCH. UH, I THINK THAT IT, THAT HIS COMMENTS, UH, POINT A REALLY STRONG OPPORTUNITY THAT IF, IF, IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN COST BETWEEN THE ROOF AND THE, AND THE METAL, UH, THAT, THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A HIGH END ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH MAYBE EVEN A BETTER SHAPE AND CONSIDER INVESTING IN, YOU KNOW, COPPER GUTTERS. UH, IT, IT, IT, IT IS JUST SUCH A, THOSE ARE JUST SUCH SMART COMMENTS. UM, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IT, IT IS VERY HARD TO TO, TO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHICH WAY TO, UH, UH, HOW TO FEEL FOR THE HOUSE, RIGHT? HOW TO FEEL FOR THE HOUSE. AND I, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. KIRKMAN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, STAFF IS, UH, NOT RECOMMEND NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON THE METAL ROOF. AND THERE'S A, A FINDING, UH, THAT IT BE REPLACED IN KIND WITH ASPHALT SHINGLE. UM, I, I FRANKLY, UH, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ON THIS AND, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE A MOTION HERE. UH, CAN WE, CAN WE APPROVE THIS WITH AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT, OR SHOULD, UH, SHOULD THAT MOTION BE A DENIAL AND THAT REQUEST BE MADE ADMINISTRATIVELY CORRECT? THE LATTER, LATTER. UH, THEN, THEN I'LL MOVE FOR DENIAL. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. I WOULD SECOND, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. ISH. AYE. S AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA ABSTAIN, CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. ZER. AYE. UNE AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I GOT A QUESTION FOR CORY. UH, CORY, IF, IF THE APPLICANT, UH, OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, PULL PERMITS AND CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE WITH H D R C OR, OR WITH, UH, O H P, IF THEY, IF THEY DO FIND A, AN ASPHALT SHINGLE [01:30:01] THAT MAYBE CHANGES SHAPE OR IN ITS DIMENSION, UH, ISN'T, IS NOT NECESSARILY IN KIND, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ON YOUR END? OR IS IT JUST EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE AND THAT'S, IT'S, YES. GOING FROM LIKE A, LIKE A STANDARD THREE TAB TO A MORE DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE IS SOMETHING WE DO ADMINISTRATIVELY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THAT BRINGS US [20-3962 Address/Description: 250 THORAIN BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2020-281 Historic District Name: Olmos Park Terrace Applicant: gabriel rosa/Property Solution Experts LLC Request: Painting exterior brick City Council Dist.: 1] TO ITEM 28. THAT'S RACHEL. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? ITEM NUMBER 28 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 2 81 2 53. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR BRICK OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C, AND THE APPLICANT'S GABRIEL AND SHAA ARE, ARE ON THE LINE. UM, GABRIEL AND SHAA, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING YOUR REQUEST. HEY, EVERYBODY. HI. HOW YOU GUYS DOING? UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US A CHANCE TO TALK ON THE REQUEST. SO, UM, FROM EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TOLD US, THE MAIN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK IS THE COMPROMISING OF THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BRICK, THE PAINT, UM, BASICALLY SUFFOCATES THE BRICK AND THE, THE LIFE OF IT IS ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS WHERE IT STARTS PRINTING, UH, PEELING OFF. NOW, THE SOLUTION THAT WE OFFERED IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN, BEEN AROUND FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UM, IT'S LIME WASHING MINERAL PAINT, WHICH IS A MINERAL BASED SOLUTION THAT INSTEAD OF GOING ON TOP OF THE PAINT, ACTUALLY ABSORBS INTO THE PAINT, WHICH INTO THE BRICK, I'M SORRY, IT, IT ABSORBS INTO THE BRICK, WHICH ALLOWS THE BRICK TO MAINTAIN ALL OF ITS ORIGINAL PROPERTIES, UM, NOT COMPROMISING THE BRICK INTEGRITY. IT'S, UH, I MEAN, I MEAN PAINT, YOU DON'T RECOMMEND PAINTING BRICK BECAUSE WATER IN THE MOISTURE CAN CAUSE DAMAGE, BUT THIS IS BREATHABLE MINERAL PAINT THAT DOES NOT SEAL THE BRICK AND IT ALLOWS THE MOISTURE TO RELEASE. UM, IT'S SPECIALLY FORMULATED TO GO ON THE, IT'S LONG LASTING, HIGHLY DURABLE. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S CASES WHERE THIS PAINT HAS LASTS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. UM, THE COMPANY THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING FOR THE MINERAL BASED SOLUTION, UM, IS ACTUALLY THEY GET IT AND SOURCE IT FROM ITALY, AND THEY'RE, UH, IT'S DONE WHEN, WHEN APPLIED, THEY ACTUALLY OFFER A 20 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE PAINT, UM, WHICH IS HOW CONFIDENT THEY ARE THAT IT'S GONNA LAST MUCH LONGER THAN THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN. WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO, UM, DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE HOUSE LOOKS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS OWNERS, WHEN THEY TRIED TO ADD THE MORTAR AND POINT AND MORTAR AND POINT IT, UM, THE CEMENT IN BETWEEN THE BRICKS, UM, THEY ACTUALLY, THEY USED CEMENT, ACTUALLY, THEY DIDN'T EVEN USE THE CORRECT TYPE OF MORTAR, AND THEY RUBBED IT ALL OVER THE BRICKS. SO THE BRICK ITSELF IS, DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE BRICK. IT'S ACTUALLY JUST COVERED, UM, WITH MORTAR AND CEMENT, WHICH THEY USE INCORRECTLY. SO WE'RE OFFERING THE SOLUTION TO MAINTAIN AND ACTUALLY INCREASE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BRICK. 'CAUSE WHEN THIS SOLUTION GOES INSIDE, IT CALCIFIED INTO THE BRICK AND IT ACTUALLY STRENGTHENS THE BRICK INSTEAD OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT EVERYBODY BELIEVES PAINT DOES. AND WE'RE KEEPING IT, IT'S, IT'S AN ANTIQUE AND WE'RE KEEPING THE, THE HISTORICAL LOOK ON IT WITH THIS TYPE OF PAINT. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION OF THE, UH, THE LIME WASH. UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AND IT IS FAR SUPERIOR TO PAINTING, BUT I GUESS MY FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS WHY PAINT IT WHEN YOU COULD EASILY GO IN AND HAVE A WELL-SKILLED MASON, UH, CORRECT WHERE THE POINTING ORDER AN INAPPROPRIATE POINTING ORDER WAS USED, COME BACK WITH A WHITE POINTING ORDER, UH, LIKE ON THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE HOUSE AND KEEP IT THE NATURAL BRICK, UH, MATERIAL AS IT WAS HISTORICALLY. SO WHY ARE YOU WANTING TO WASH IT IS MY QUESTION. OKAY. UM, THIS IS GABRIEL, HOW YOU DOING COMMITTEE? UM, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY, UM, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE LIME WASH IS WE HAVE TRIED TO LOCATE, UM, THE HOUSE ACTUALLY HAS SIX DIFFERENT TO EIGHT DIFFERENT COLOR PATTERNS OF BRICK ON THIS THING. IT'S A FLASH BREAK WITH SERRATED FRONT END AND ALL THIS. WE WERE ABLE [01:35:01] TO LOCATE ONE OF THE FLASH COLORS, THE LIGHTER END, THE CRIMSON, THE, UM, BROW, UM, ONE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO LOCATE THROUGH. I MEAN, WE SEARCHED EVERYWHERE. UH, WHAT ACME ACTUALLY, I BECAME PROBABLY A PREFERRED CLIENT TO THEM AT THAT POINT BECAUSE I, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND WHAT WAS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO GET THAT BRICK. THEY DO NOT MAKE THE RED CRIMSON BRICKS, UM, OR THE, UM, BROW, UM, SORRY, ONE ANYMORE. IN THOSE FLASH SIGNS, WE COULD LOCATE THE TOP ONE, THE BRICK STRUCTURALLY ON CERTAIN PARTS OF THE HOUSE, PRIMARILY ON THE BACK END. I'VE SHOWED SOME PICTURES TO RACHEL, I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE SOME ON OUR, ON, ON OUR FILE. WELL, THE BRICK, THE BRICK INSIDE STRUCTURALLY THERE IS ACTUAL THOSE BRACKET ARMS INSIDE FROM THE, FROM THE FRAMING TO THE ACTUAL BRICK, I GUESS BACK AT THROUGHOUT YEARS IN THE SHIFTING OF THE HOUSE. SOME OF THOSE BRACKETS HAVE FALLEN OFF. UM, SO WE HAVE PROOF THE, SOME OF THE WALLS PROTRUDE, UM, OUTWARD AND HAVE TWISTED OVER THE YEARS. AND THE PERSON THAT WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM LONG TIME AGO IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROBABLY OVER 10, 20 YEARS OF, OF PUTTING PATCHING AND DOING, DOING THINGS INCORRECTLY, HAVE LEFT THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE, UM, NOT AT PAR FOR EVEN THE HISTORIC SOCIETY OR EVEN TO RESELL. WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I'VE TRIED LOCATING BRICK MASONS TO TELL ME THAT TO WHAT WAS THE BEST OPTION THEY TOLD ME BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, A VERY FRAGILE BRICK AND IT'S HARD TO LOCATE, EVEN IF THEY WOULD TRY TO EXTERIORLY, TAKE OFF A LOT OF THESE, UM, THINGS, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO FIND THE CORRECT BRICK AND KEEP THE BRICKS FROM NOT BREAKING OR CRACKING. SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT 'EM BACK. ONE OF THE MAIN KEYS OF WHY WE'RE ASKING TO LINE WASH IS TO NOT ONLY TO WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO HELP FIX SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS OF THE BRICK, AND NOT ONLY THE MORTAR WHERE THEY PUT CEMENT RATHER THAN THE WHITE MORTAR FROM THE BACK, UH, IN BETWEEN THE BRICK ACTUAL CEMENT THAT THEY SLAB ON IT. UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO FIX THE, THE BRICK THAT'S OUT THERE AND, AND MAKE IT STRUCTURALLY FOUND AGAIN, SOUND AGAIN, AND GET IT, UM, GET IT LOOKING RIGHT. BUT THE MAIN PURPOSE IS IF WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND THAT BOTTOM BREAK, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST MONTH THAT WE'VE BEEN SEARCHING, UM, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BEST QUALITY BRICK THAT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME. AND THEN WE FOUND THE SAME ONE THAT WAS THE YELLOW ONE UP TOP, BUT THE RED ONE WAS THE ONE THAT WE WERE HAVING ISSUES. WE CAN'T LOCATE 'EM. UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO TRY AND SEE HOW WE COULD GET THE SAME TYPE OF BRICK, THE SAME PATTERN AND GET IT LOOKING THE BEST WAY WITH THAT LIME WASH THAT BLENDS IT IN AND GET THE WHOLE COLOR TO THE HOUSE LIKE IN ONE PATTERN AND GETTING, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, TO SUMMARIZE THAT MM-HMM , A LOT OF THE BRICK ON THE OUTSIDE HAS SHIFTED OVER THE YEARS AND WE NEED TO REPLACE SOME OF IT, OR IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA FALL OFF THE HOUSE. AND THERE IT'S ALMOST, IT'S BASICALLY BEEN IMPOSSIBLE TO LOCATE CERTAIN COLORS. WHAT THE LIME WASHING AND THE, THE, SOME MINERAL BASED SOLUTION WOULD HELP US DO IS ALLOW US TO REPLACE THE BRICK AND THEN UNIFORMLY COLOR IT SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, RANDOM YELLOW BRICKS WHERE RED ONES SHOULD BE. THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A UNIFORM COLOR THROUGHOUT AND THEN WE CAN RESTORE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE ENTIRE HOUSE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE BRICK NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED? I MEAN, I, I WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTORTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, BUT GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW MUCH OF THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED. OKAY, SO I, ON SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WE'VE, UM, SUBMITTED WITH, UH, RACHEL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IT'S PRIMARILY THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE IN BETWEEN THE KITCHEN WINDOW AND THE BEDROOM WINDOW IN THE FAR BACK CORNER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST 18. THEY GIVE OR TAKE ABOUT 18, 15, 15 YARDS, 15 TO 18 YARDS OF BRICK. THAT WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN IN SECTION IF IT NEEDS TO BE STRUCTURALLY PUT BACK CORRECTLY AND STRAIGHT AS IT IS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FETZER. UM, [01:40:03] I'VE WORKED ON HISTORIC PROJECTS WHERE THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE WITH FINDING MATCHING BRICK AND, UM, ONE THING THAT WE CONSIDERED WAS, UH, REPLACING THE BRICK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR STRUCTURAL REASONS. AND IF IT DIDN'T MATCH THEN TO, UH, SELECTIVELY STAIN A NEW BRICK, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HAVE THE YELLOW BRICK HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE DARK RED. UH, IF YOU SELECTIVELY REPLACED, UH, THE DAMAGED RED BRICK, GOT IT STRUCTURALLY SOUND WITH YELLOW BRICK, THEN UH, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO SELECTIVELY STAIN, UH, EACH OF THOSE YELLOW BRICKS TO MATCH THE RED BRICK. UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT, UH, EVEN WITH THE, THE, UH, MINERAL WASH PAINT IS THAT ONCE IT GETS, UH, A ONE UNIFORM COLOR OVER EVERYTHING, UM, WHAT'S GONNA KEEP THAT AN, A FUTURE HOME HOMEOWNER FROM COMING IN AND USING THE INCORRECT PAINT. AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, IT'S PAINTED NOW WE'LL PAINT IT AGAIN AND WE END UP WITH THE ISSUES WITH, UM, LATEX PAINT, WHICH, UM, HOLDS MOISTURE AND, AND DETERIORATES THE BRICK BENEATH. SO WOULD, UM, ONE OPTION MIGHT BE TO, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE OR YOU CAN'T SALVAGE RED BRICK WHEN YOU DO YOUR STRUCTURAL REPAIRS AND YOU REPLACE 'EM WITH YELLOW, UH, COULD THOSE YELLOW BRICKS BE SELECTIVELY STAINED TO MATCH THE RED? UH, SO THE ISSUE WITH THE SELECTIVE STAINING IS THERE'S ABOUT, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT MAIN COLORS. ONE IS THE ORANGE, YELLOW, ONE IS THE RED, AND AMONGST THE RED THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN DIFFERENT SHADES OF RED, BOTH LEFT IT'S FLASH, UM, TO ADDRESS THE POINT WHERE THAT'S WHY WE WERE SUGGESTING TO DO THE ENTIRE THING FOR SIMPLICITY FOR NOT ONLY US, FOR, FOR THE FUTURE OWNERS AS WELL. UM, THE MINERAL BASED PAINT LINE WASH SOLUTION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMPANY, THE SPECIFIC COMPANY THAT WE HAVE FOUND HAVE HAD IT LAST, THIS CERTAIN PAINT LAST WELL OVER MULTIPLE DECADES. UM, THE REASON FOR THEM, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD EDUCATE THEM, PROVIDE THEM WITH THE WARRANTY, UM, WHAT STOPS THEM FROM PAINTING THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT STOPS ANYBODY FROM PAINTING THE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOUSE IN THE ENTIRE HISTORIC SOCIETY. IT'S JUST BEING EDUCATED AND KNOWING THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT APPROVAL. BUT WE WILL GIVE THEM THE WARRANTY THAT COMES WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING. WE WILL PROVIDE THEM WITH THE EXACT COLORS AND THE EXACT FINISHES, AND WE'LL ALSO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE EDUCATION BEFORE THEY MOVE IN OF WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO CORRECTLY, UM, ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF BRICK AND HOW TO MAINTAIN IT. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S THE, THE SIMILAR QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU GET TO STOP ANYBODY FROM DOING, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW SOMETHING TO DOING THAT, IT'S, WE, WE, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO EDUCATE THEM AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL DO THE BEST TO EDUCATE IF THERE IS ANOTHER OWNER AFTER THAT. AND, AND WE WILL PASS ON THE WARRANTIES AND WE'LL PASS ON THE EXACT COLORS AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE OUR, OUR CONTACT INFORMATION ULTIMATELY AND OUR COMPANY'S CONTACT INFORMATION FOR IT. IF ANYBODY EVER NEEDS ANYTHING OR, OR HAS ANY KIND OF SUGGESTIONS TO TALK TO US, WE'RE WAR PHONES ARE ALWAYS OPEN AND WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO HELPING. THIS IS COMMISSIONER LUNE. UH, TO ME, ONE OF THE ATTRACTIVE FEATURES OF THIS HOUSE IS THE TWO COLORS OF BRICK. AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE BRICK PAINTED ALL ONE COLOR. I THINK YOU WOULD LOSE THAT ATTRACTIVE, UH, CONTRAST OF THE LIGHT AND DARK BRICK, UH, UNDER UNDERSTOOD. WE ACTUALLY WENT, UM, AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SPOKE WITH ALL THE DIRECT NEIGHBORS AND SPOKE WITH, UM, PEOPLE DOWN THE STREET, BROUGHT THEM UP, AND WE ACTUALLY GOT THE OPPOSITE REACTION. UM, WE, WE BROUGHT IN A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, AND, AND WE'VE RECEIVED OPPOSITE FEEDBACK BECAUSE ONE OF OUR OPTIONS WAS TO MAINTAIN A SORT OF CONTRASTING COLOR AND WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED A LOT OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT ONE, WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO GO WITH THE SIMPLICITY OF JUST DOING IT WITH ONE COLOR. BUT WE DID EXPLORE [01:45:01] THOSE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL. WE EXPLORED MANY OPTIONS BEFORE WE CAME TO THIS ONE. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER LFO'S COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS, UM, GIVEN THE SIMPLICITY OF THIS HOUSE AND THE PERIOD IN WHICH IT, UH, WAS BUILT, UM, YOU KNOW, POST, UH, WORLD WAR II, HERE WE'VE GOT METAL BASEMENT WINDOWS, YOU'VE GOT TWO TONES OF BRICK, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF FRILLS AS WE WERE ALL COMING BACK FROM A GLOBAL, UH, WAR AND, UM, AND RESPONDING TO OUR GROWING FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. SO, UH, THIS HOUSE KIND OF REPRESENTS, UH, THAT PERIOD. AND THE, THIS GOES BACK TO SORT OF THE DESIGN INTENT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE OTHER, UH, PROJECT. THEIR DESIGN INTENT HERE WAS TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE, VERY CLEAN, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, AND USING A LIMITED PALLET OF MATERIALS. I WOULD, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE INVESTIGATED THE, THE ILL EFFECTS OF PAINTING MASONRY WITH THE CONVENTIONAL, UH, PAINTS. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK BEFORE I COULD GET ON BOARD WITH THIS THOUGH, I THINK THERE WOULD BE THE NEED TO RETAIN THE TWO-TONE QUALITY OF THE STRUCTURE, DESPITE WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING, THEY'RE SIMPLY WRONG. THIS IS PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS HOUSE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH SOME MOCK-UPS THAT WOULD SHOW HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, YOU KNOW, HOW OPAQUE OR HOW TRANSLUCENT, UH, THIS WASH IS, UM, I MIGHT BE ABLE BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT GIVEN SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL ERRORS THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE AND THE LACK OF, OF THE MATERIAL BEING AVAILABLE TO YOU TODAY. BUT, UM, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE WHOLE THING BEING DIPPED IN ONE COLOR AND LOSING THAT IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE. UM, OKAY. HONESTLY, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP THE TWO-TONE. UM, AS WELL, WE, WE WERE KIND OF BASING IT OFF THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR FEEDBACK, UH, TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHO SEES THE HOUSE, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MOVE INTO THAT DIRECTION AS WELL BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL DO SOME MOCKUPS, UM, AND WE CAN COORDINATE IT WITH, UH, WITH RACHEL AND, AND KATIE AND, UM, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF IT, IT'S, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE AN IN-PERSON REVIEW OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR SOMETHING WHEN WE SIT DOWN WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND WE CAN SHOW YOU ALL THESE MOCKUPS AND WE, WE CAN HAVE THEM, UM, SOONER THAN RATHER THAN LATER. 'CAUSE WE REALLY DO WANT TO RESTORE THIS HOUSE. AND I'M JUST GONNA, UH, GIMME ONE SECOND HAND OVER. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED EX EXTENSIVE MOCKUPS, BUT, UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CAR, GIVEN THE, THE DEGREE OF REPAIRS AND AVAIL AVAILABILITY OF BRICK, UH, THE, AND THE APPROPRIATE, UH, KIND OF PAINT FOR BRICK, I COULD SUPPORT THAT SO LONG AS IT MAINTAINS, UH, A TWO-TONE, WHICH IS A KIND OF THE ONLY ORNAMENT THAT THIS THING HAS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SAMPLE. DO YOU, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT RELATIVELY QUICKLY? YES, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. I MEAN, RELATIVELY QUICKLY IS WE CAN DO THAT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, EITHER A FEW DAYS UP TO A WEEK. YES, WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU NEED IT SOONER, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN GET IT TOMORROW, WE CAN HAVE IT DONE, WE CAN HAVE IT DONE IN, IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. SO I, I THINK THE BEST PLACE TO, TO JUST REVIEW THIS AND, AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A D R C IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT. WHAT WE COULD DO IS CONTINUE THIS CASE, OR MOVE THIS CASE TO A D R C SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND THEN, UH, MOVE FORWARD, UH, AT THAT POINT. BUT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A VENUE TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONERS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. HOW DO WE, UM, UH, GET THE INFORMATION FOR WHAT DATE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ON AND, AND WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE READY FOR YOU ON THAT DATE. STAFF STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL, UH, MAKE THE NEXT, UH, THE EARLIEST AVAILABLE DATE, UH, UH, AVAILABLE TO YOU AND THEY'LL GET THAT ON THE SCHEDULE. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEND THIS TO THE D R C, THIS IS COMMISSIONER PARKER. I SECOND THAT WE HAVE, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE [01:50:03] FISH. AYE, GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. ZER? AYE. LOFO. AYE CO. CARRIE, YOU SKIPPED ME, COREY, I'M SORRY. AREOLA. YEAH. AYE. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NEXT WE HAVE ITEM [20-3951 Address/Description: 504 KING WILLIAM HDRC Case No.: 2020-273 Historic District Name: King William RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Daniel Cruz/Design Coop Request: Front and side yard fencing installation City Council Dist.: 1] 29. STEPHANIE, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 29, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 2 73 ADDRESS, 5 0 4 KING WILLIAMS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY AND STEEL FENCE IN THE FRONT AND SIDE YARD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCING BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE SEAL FENCING BE REDUCED IN HEIGHT TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR FEET. AS NOTED IN FINDING C, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT REFLECTS THIS CHANGE. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVES THE PROPOSED GREENERY FROM THE FENCING TO ADHERE TO PREDOMINANTLY OPEN FRONT YARD FENCING REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH SIX 14 AS NOTED IN FINDING D AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT DANIEL ON THE LINE. HI, YES, THIS IS DANIEL CRUZ. UH, I WILL BE REPRESENTING THIS CASE. UM, FIRST OFF, UH, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STIPULATION NUMBER TWO. UH, WE WILL REMOVE THE PROPOSED URINARY FROM THE, UH, FENCE AND WE CAN SUBMIT THOSE DRAWINGS FOR THAT. UM, IN REGARDS TO STIPULATION NUMBER ONE, WE ARE NOT ON BOARD WITH THAT. UM, OUR CLIENT'S BIGGEST CONCERN WITH A FOREFOOT FENCE IS A SECURITY ISSUE. UM, HE ALSO KNOWS THAT THERE IS A SEVERAL, UH, I MEAN THERE'S ALSO A FEW OTHER FENCES IN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE AT SIX FEET. I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE, UH, HISTORIC, UM, AND FEELS LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING. ONE COMPLIMENTS THE HOUSE AND TWO WOULD PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SECURITY HE NEEDS AND IS, IS SUITABLE FOR, FOR THE AREA. UM, UM, SO WE'RE AT, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THIS IS COREY WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE LOST A QUORUM. WE HAD A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS STEP AWAY. UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO PAUSE FOR JUST A, A COUPLE MINUTES WHILE WE WAIT FOR . WE'RE AT FIVE RIGHT NOW, SO WE JUST NEED ONE MORE COMMISSIONER. OKAY, I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, DO I NEED TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID PRIOR OR DO AM I GET TO JUST CONTINUE ON? YOU CAN JUST CONTINUE. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UH, THING TO NOTE IS WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY SAN ANTONIO DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE FRONT OF, OF PROPERTY WITHIN RESIDENTIAL. OUR, OUR CLIENT IS WILLING TO PURSUE A VER UH, A VARIANCE, UM, FOR THAT. AND OUR QUESTION THAT HISTORIC WOULD BE IS IF, IF A VARIANCE IS APPROVED, IS HISTORIC, WOULD HISTORIC ALSO APPROVED, OR WOULD WE, UM, BE DENIED? ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. GENERALLY, UM, IF H C R C APPROVES OFFENSE TALLER THAN CODE ALLOWS, THEN YOU WOULD GO TO REQUEST A VARIANCE, BUT H C R C WOULD, WOULD ACT ON IT FIRST. OKAY. UM, YEAH, SO I GUESS THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT HERE THAT WE HAVE IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SIX FOOT FENCES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE TO THIS, WHICH IS A FIVE 16 KING WILLIAM DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT, CORRECT. LOOKING WILLIAM TOWARDS THE HOUSE, UM, HAS A SIX FOOT FENCE AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, CATTYCORNER ALSO HAS A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE FRONT. UM, SO BEING JUST, JUST THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES, NEIGHBORING HOUSES HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT COMPETING WITH THE HOUSE BEING IN SUCH A LARGE STRUCTURE, UM, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE DESIGN, UH, TO THAT COMPLIMENTS IT. AND, UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S ALSO A CORNER LOT, UH, AESTHETICALLY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TOO, UH, EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA FROM THE FENCE, JUMPING FROM A FOUR FOOT TO A SIX FOOT FENCE. UM, THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT. UH, STAFF DO WE HAVE, UH, COMMENTS ON THIS? WE DO. KAREN, UH, YOU HAVE, [01:55:01] YEAH, I HAVE COMMENTS THAT'LL READ NOW. AND CAN YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL LETTER IN THE FOLDER? UM, SO THIS COMES FROM THE KING OR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, 1 0 7 AND KING WILLIAM CONSERVATION SOCIETY OPPOSES THE PROPOSED FENCE HEIGHT AT 5 0 4. KING WILLIAM FENCE HEIGHT SHOULD BE REDUCED FROM SIX FEET TO FOUR FEET ON BOTH KING WILLIAM AND JOHNSON STREET AS INDICATED BY THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. ALSO, THE CAP ON THE MASONRY POST SHOULD BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL IN RELATIONSHIP, IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE POST SIZE. THAT'S IT. I I I'M SORRY. I'M HEARING SOMEBODY ELSE TALK OVER. I'LL, I'LL TURN MY MIC OFF. NO, SORRY, THAT WAS STAFF. I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION THAT THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, UM, NOT IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, I I TEND TO THINK THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, KIND OF CORNERSTONES IN WHAT DEFINES PRESERVATION IN SAN ANTONIO. FROM THERE, I THINK THERE ARE ARE, UH, DEFINITELY, UM, LESSER EXAMPLES OR, OR AT LEAST, UH, GRADUALLY DOWN SLOPING EXAMPLES. I DON'T MEAN THAT IN VALUE, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF, OF THE RULE, RIGHT? THAT, UM, WHERE GUIDELINES ARE REALLY, REALLY THE MOST STRICT, I THINK ARE, ARE DEFINED BY NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE KING WILLIAMS, UH, LIKE KING WILLIAMS. SO MY TENDENCY IS TO, TO TO LEAN ON THE SIDE OF FOLLOWING, UM, THE MOST, UM, COMMON, UM, ELEMENTS OF, OF, OF DESIGN AND, AND STYLE IN THAT COMMUNITY. AND I, I THINK IN THE KING WILLIAM AREA, MOST DEFINITELY LEANS TOWARD A FENCE HEIGHT THAT IS KEEPING WITH, WITH WHAT IS TYPICALLY FOUND IN, IN THAT AREA. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN. UM, WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL FENCE HEIGHT AND, UH, THE U D C IS PRETTY CLEAR ON THIS. AND TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY, UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY RARE AND THERE ARE PRETTY SPECIFIC KIND OF, UH, ISSUES THAT, THAT WE MAY CONSIDER IN THAT. UH, WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR CLIENT'S, UH, CONCERN ABOUT SECURITY, UH, I I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT THIS, THAT THIS HAVE AS MUCH PRESENT AS MAYBE THE HISTORIC FENCES, UH, NEARBY AS A MEANS OF JUSTIFYING ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. AND I AGREE WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND STAFF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT SHOULD BE REDUCED TO FOUR TO FOUR FEET. AND, UH, UM, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE THINKING, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE AN, A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UH, SOMEBODY HAS A, AN OPPOSING VIEW. HE CAN TAKE IT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, UH, SECOND THAT MOTION. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. ISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ AYE. BELIEVE AREOLA HAS STEPPED AWAY. CARPENTER. CARPENTER. OH, RIGHT. AYE BET SIR. AYE, LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE DOWN TO SIX RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE. UM, SO IF ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS A BREAK, UM, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL HAVE TO DO A RECESS. OKAY. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. I DON'T HAVE THE CASE LIST IN FRONT OF ME. ITEM 30, THAT'S GONNA BE WE , ARE YOU THERE? YES. SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE APPLICANT APPLICANT ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW. UM, I DID SEND A EMAIL TO THE APPLICANT NOTIFYING HIM TO PROVIDE ME WITH A USABLE NUMBER TO CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY. UM, SHOULD I CONTINUE READING THE RECOMMENDATION INTO THE RECORD OR SHOULD WE WAIT? NO, IF IT'S ALRIGHT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, LET'S, UM, UH, MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO ITEM 30, UH, AT THE END OF THE HEARING IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THEM. SO LET'S UNMUTE STEPHANIE. I KNOW SHE'S TRYING TO GET THE APPLICANT FOR THAT ONE NOW AS WELL. [02:00:01] S ARE YOU THERE? I BELIEVE SHE'S TALKING TO THE APPLICANT NOW. OKAY. STEPH, ARE YOU READY? HI, IT'S STEPH. ARE YOU READY? WE'RE READY, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LET ME PULL IT UP. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 31 [20-3952 Address/Description: 563 E CRAIG PLACE HDRC Case No.: 2020-270 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: Alexis Bondoc/Bondoc Roofing Request: Roof replacement from composition shingle to standing steam metal City Council Dist.: 1] H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH TWO 70. ADDRESS, 5 63 EAST CRAIG PLACE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF AND INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING. E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OF ASPHALT SHINGLES BE INSTALLED IF METAL IS DESIRED BY THE APPLICANT FOR ITS LIFESPAN. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS A METAL PRODUCT THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE OF TRADITIONAL SHINGLES BASED ON FINDING D AND I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT AMY, ON THE LINE. AMY, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES. HI EVERYONE. MY NAME IS, UH, AMY SPANA AND I'M THE HOMEOWNER OF, UH, 5 6 3 EAST CRAIG PLACE. AND SO, UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO, UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THE HOUSE IS IN NEED OF A ROOF AND SO DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND REALLY THE ROUTE THAT, UM, DECIDED TO GO WITH WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, UM, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST HAD A LONGER LASTING, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MADE FROM RECYCLABLE MATERIALS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE RECYCLABLE. SO WE WERE REALLY GOING FOR REALLY THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY, UM, FRIENDLY ROOF FOR OUR HOME. UM, AND SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST, UM, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT OVERALL. SO WITH ALL THE RESEARCH THAT I DID, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. UM, I DID UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT BEING A TUDOR STYLE HOME, I AM AWARE OF THAT, BUT I THINK THE METAL ROOF IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA SPECIFIC TO THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S SORT OF A METAL ROOF IS NOT UNDER UNCHARACTERISTIC OF WHAT YOU FIND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO, UM, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE REASONS FOR WANTING TO PURSUE, UM, THE, THE, THE ROOF QUESTIONS FOR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, MS. SPTA, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS SUCH A DELIGHTFUL LITTLE HOUSE AND, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST SUPER CHARMING. UM, AND I THINK PART OF THAT CHARM COMES FROM SORT OF SMALL FINE GRAIN SCALE OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED TO, TO BUILD A HOUSE ORIGINALLY. AND, UH, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OUR, OUR LENGTHY DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT A PREVIOUS CASE TODAY. AND I THINK SOME OF THE SIMILAR PHILOSOPHICAL, UH, ISSUES COME TO PLAY FOR THIS HOUSE. AS, AS FOR THAT, NOW YOU MAKE THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT, UH, RIVER ROAD AND, UM, CERTAINLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT CONTEXT TO TAKING INTO PLAY HERE, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I I SEE IT'S VERY MUCH INTACT AND, UH, AND WOULD FEEL LIKE IF WE WENT TO A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE A LOSS OF, OF A IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE TO THIS HOUSE. UM, UH, ONE THING THAT I MIGHT SUGGEST ONCE AGAIN IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, A VERY, UH, HIGH, UM, QUALITY DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE. UH, THERE'S SOME THAT EVEN HAVE A LOT OF CHARM TO THEM WITH FISH SCALE PATTERNING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO KIND OF, UM, PLAY UPON SORT OF THE CRAFT ASPECT OF, OF THIS, UH, THIS STRUCTURE. UM, AND I'D ALSO ADVISE THAT IF WHEN YOU DO, UH, DO REPLACEMENT GROWTH, THAT THEY LACE THE VALLEYS RATHER THAN THAT EX EXPOSED GUTTER UHS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE VULNERABLE. UH, NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, I I I'M VERY MUCH SYMPATHETIC TO METAL ROOFS BECAUSE I DO THINK THEY'RE FAR SUPERIOR, UH, FROM A PERFORMANCE STANDPOINT AND ULTIMATELY WOULD LEND TO SAFEGUARDING THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE. BUT ONCE AGAIN, I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY FOR THIS ONE, UH, THAT'S FINE GRAIN MATERIAL, [02:05:01] THAT KIND OF CRAFTED ASPECT, UM, I THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT TO RETAIN. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I, AGAIN SHARE, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S, UH, POSITION ON THIS. AND I THINK, UH, STAFF OUTLINES, UH, A A METAL TYPE OF REPLACEMENT, UH, WITH A METAL SHINGLE THAT COULD BE APPROPRIATE IF, IF, IF A METAL PRODUCT IS DESIRED. BUT I THINK HAVING, UH, A LARGE, YOU KNOW, THE METAL, A METAL ROOF WITH THAT LARGE SURFACE OF, UH, FEATURELESS AREA AND THESE, THESE KIND OF TRIANGLES THAT PRESENT THEMSELVES ON THE ROOF ARE SO SMALL THAT THE RIDGES, UH, WOULD KIND OF OVER OVERWHELM IT. UM, WHILE I, WHILE I TAKE THE POINT THAT THERE ARE METAL ROOFS AND THERE ARE METAL ROOFS ON, UH, SOME OF THE TUDOR REVIVALS IN, UH, RIVER ROAD, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE HERE. AND BASED ON THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, UM, AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO, UH, I, I MOVE FOR DENIAL. THIS COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND IT. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. AREOLA STILL AWAY, CARPENTER? AYE BET SIR. AYE AND LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO WE ARE READY WITH THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 32. SO LET'S UNMUTE. WE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, SIR, I'M HERE. HOW YOU DOING? YES, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 32, [20-3961 Address/Description: 347 FURR DR HDRC Case No.: 2020-265 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: RODERICK MCKINLEY SR/DECORUM CONSTRUCTION, LLC Request: Construction of an addition City Council Dist.: 7] CASE NUMBER 20 22 65 AT 3 47 FUR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING REAR EDITION TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 550 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT STUCCO SIDING IS IN, IS USED INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED HARDY POINT SIDING, AND THAT THE STUCCO SHOULD FEATURE A COLOR THAT MATCHES THE BRICK AND SHOULD FEATURE TEXTURES THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO THOSE FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A ONE OVER ONE STASH WINDOW THAT MATCHES THE SIZE AND DEPTH OF THE WINDOWS FOUND ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE THAT THE HOMEOWNER AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO THE WINDOW STIPULATION AND WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PROTEST THE STIPULATION FROM USING PARTY PLANK SIDING TO STUCCO SIDING AND THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. RODERICK, GO AHEAD. UH, YES, HOW YOU DOING? UH, THIS IS RODERICK MCKINLEY, UH, AND, UH, ON BEHALF OF, UH, MS, UH, PRISCILLA ROCHA AND MYSELF, THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO, UH, TO HEAR OUR, UH, OPPOSITION TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION. AND, UM, ALSO THANK MS. FOR ALLOWING ME TO REPRESENT, UH, THIS, UH, THIS HEARING. UH, SO THE FIRST POINT, UH, UH, THAT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT ALL OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION IS TAKING PLACE AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. UH, I THINK PER YOUR GUIDANCE. UH, IT'S, UH, ONE, A ONE, UM, STATING THAT, UH, AND THEN, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT'S AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, UH, UH, CAN'T HAVE SOME VARIATIONS, UH, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM THE, THE, THE ROADSIDE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE THERE. UM, ALSO THE, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURE IS, UH, DETERIORATING PRETTY BADLY. AND SO, UH, IT'S AT THE POINT OF BEING A SAFETY HAZARD. AND, UH, WITH THE ROTTING, UH, SHIPLAP THAT'S, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THERE. UM, THE, UH, THERE'S ALSO, UH, PLACES WHERE THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE'S NOT, UH, UM, UH, SUPPORTED OR, OR MOUNTED TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, THE PATIO THAT'S THERE. UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY HAVE IS BASICALLY, UH, A PATIO THAT'S COVERED WITH, UH, SHIPLAP AND, UH, SCREEN WINDOWS, UH, BASICALLY IS OPEN AND, UH, THERE'S, UH, ACCESS FOR ELEMENTS FROM OUTSIDE AND INSECTS TO INTERNET AREA OF THE HOUSE THERE. SO, UH, THAT REALLY NEEDS TO COME DOWN AND, UH, BE, UH, RESTRUCTURED. UM, THE, THE THIRD POINT I HAVE IS, UH, THE IMPROVEMENT WOULD, WOULD GREATLY, UH, UH, ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF THE HOUSE AND THE APPEARANCE AND, UH, GIVE THE FAMILY A, A SECURE PLACE TO, TO, UH, TO RESIDE, YOU KNOW, WHEN [02:10:01] THEY'RE IN THERE. AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BASICALLY MAKE THAT A PART OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, I THINK YOU APPROVED EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE SUBMITTED TO YOU, UH, RAISING THE FLOOR AND EVERYTHING AND BRING IT TO THE SAME LEVEL AS THE REST OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE, UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER POINT IS THAT, UM, IN THE AREA, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT, UH, STRUCTURE, I MEAN THAT STUCCO BE, UH, USED INSTEAD OF, UH, THE, UM, THE HARD PLANK SODDING, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, THE REST OF THE HOUSES IN THE AREA. THERE, THERE ARE NO OTHER LIKE HOUSES THAT HAS STUCCO ON IT WITH THE BRICK THERE. UH, AGAIN, WE ALREADY HAVE THE HOUSE THERE. THEY PURCHASED IT THAT WAY WITH THE, UH, THE SHIPLAP ON, SHIPLAP ON, ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THERE. SO THAT HARD OF PLANKING IS A, A LIKE PRODUCT. BUT, UH, WE THINK THAT THAT, THAT, UH, HARDY PLANKING WOULD LAST A LOT LONGER THAN THE SHIPLAP, YOU KNOW, UH, GIVING IT THE DURABILITY AND EVERYTHING, UH, THAT, THAT ONE WITH ONE IN A HOUSE, ESPECIALLY A HISTORIC, UH, HOUSE LIKE THAT. AND, UM, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT YOU APPROVE THE USE OF THE, UH, THE HARDY PLANK SIDING AND, UH, AND UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, STAFF. DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? NO, WE DID NOT. UM, MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, GIVEN THAT THERE'S SHIP LAPSE SIDING ON THE ADDITION THAT'S THERE, THAT'S ALREADY PART OF THE SITE, IS THAT, THAT THE, UH, HARDY SIDING THAT'S PROPOSED IS APPROPRIATE. UH, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION TWO. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I SUPPORT THAT, BUT I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. UM, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A, AT A SHIPLAP STRUCTURE IN IMAGE NUMBER 38. IS THAT THE REAR ADDITION OR IS THERE A ACCESSORY BUILDING AT THE BACK OF THIS LOT? I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED WHERE THIS, THERE IS, THERE IS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. I SENT SOME MORE PHOTOS. I DON'T, I SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE PACKAGE. ALSO, UH, SENT, UH, SOME UPDATED PLANS WITH THE, UH, THE NEW WINDOWS THAT YOU SUGGESTED, THE ONE OVER ONE. UM, YES, I THINK THAT WAS IT. IF YOU GO BACK ONE, RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S THE, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT EVEN MORE STRENGTHENS THE ARGUMENT FOR HAVING THE, UH, THE HARDY AND I THINK THE SCALE OF THE ADDITION THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS APPROPRIATE. IT'S NOT OVERKILL. THE SITE, UH, THE RIDGE LINE OF THE ADDITION IS LOWER THAN THE MAIN, IT'S FOLLOWING ALL THE GUIDELINES FROM THAT STANDPOINT. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. IN SUPPORT OF, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH'S MOTION. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. UH, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A AND A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE, UH, HARDY'S PLAYING SIDING, THE SMOOTH FINISH AND NOT WOOD GRAIN AMENDED AS SO ACCEPT THAT AT THE SECOND. SO YOU WOULD, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS WAS TO PROVIDE A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHAT IS SUBMITTED IS VINYL. SO STAFF WOULD FOLLOW UP, HEAR ME WITH THE, UH, THE APPLICANT ON THAT TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS. OKAY. SO THERE WON'T BE VINYL, THERE'LL BE, UM, STAFF STIPULATION OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MATERIALS. SO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. OKAY. YOU CAN HEAR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT. SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS ARE CONCERNED ARE, UH, UH, CAN WE DO THE, THE VINYL WITH WOOD ENCASEMENT, UH, TO GIVE THAT, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. YES. UH, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THE, UH, UH, VINYL WINDOWS WITH, UH, WOOD ENCASEMENT, UM, TO GIVE THAT, TO MAINTAIN THAT, UM, THE, UM, HISTORIC APPEARANCE ON THE, ON THE OUTSIDE? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, AND I MADE THE MOTION AND I MADE THAT THE MOTION WITH THE INTENT THAT THE WINDOWS WOULD MEET OUR STANDARD, UH, WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. AND GENERALLY THIS, UH, COMMISSION DOES NOT, UH, APPRO, UH, APPROVE OF VINYL, UH, WINDOWS, UM, EVEN IF THEY'RE OVER FRAMED AND, [02:15:01] UH, OUR STANDARD STIPULATION FOR WOOD WINDOWS OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, UH, PARTICULARLY IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO, SO THE INTENT OF MY MOTION IS THAT OUR STANDARD, UH, WINDOW STIPULATION AND OUR STANDARD HARDY STIPULATION ARE ADDED TO THAT AND STAFF CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON, ON THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. AND THAT DETAIL WOULD BE ADDED TO THE CERTIFICATE THAT'S ISSUED BY STAFF. OKAY. UH, SO THE MOTION AND SECOND ARE GOOD AS THEY STAND? I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. YES. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ AYE. CARPENTER? AYE BET SIR. AYE LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. A LET'S GIVE LEE A COUPLE MINUTES TO UM, CONTACT ONE MORE TIME THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 32 23. HAN, WE, ARE YOU THERE? YOU UNMUTE ME. NO LUCK. YEAH, SO UH, THE APP, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS THE NUMBER PROVIDED STILL IS TAKING ME DIRECTLY TO A VOICEMAIL. SO, UH, I LEFT THE APPLICANT AN EMAIL. OKAY. WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND READ, UM, THE CASE INTO THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL NEED AN ACTION? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2020 [20-3954 Address/Description: 223 BRAHAN BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2020-264 Historic District Name: Westfort Applicant: Dillon Bomba/Window World Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 2] OR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30, CASE NUMBER 20 26 2 64. AT 2 23 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE TWO EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPAIRED. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. USUALLY, UH, WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT THE POST PIT IN THE CASE, UM, I WOULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN THIS CASE 'CAUSE I, I STRONGLY AGREE WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS ON THIS MOVE. FOR DENIAL. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I CONCUR A SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. FETZER. AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for June 17, 2020.] [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for June 19, 2020.] IT BRINGS US TO MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 17TH AND JUNE 19TH. UM, I, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ ON, UM, THE MINUTES FOR THE 17TH. THERE IS ON THE MOTION FOR SCROLL THROUGH ALL THIS. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND HERE FOR THE, UH, THE TRAIL, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HEARD, RIGHT? UM, ON THE 19TH. ON THE 19TH, OKAY. ON THE 19TH THERE IS MOTION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF WAIVER ON ITEM B. ONE YEAR IT SAYS AUDITORIUM. IS THAT SUPPOSED TO SAY MORATORIUM OR IT SAYS AUDITORIUM? I THINK SO. I THINK THAT WAS A AUTOCORRECT. OKAY. YEAH, WE, WE WILL MAKE THAT REVISION IS HORRIBLE , SO THAT, THAT ACCORDING THE, THE MOTION CAN INCLUDE THAT. OKAY. THAT REVISION. THANKS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE, THE MEETINGS ON, ON JUNE 7TH AND, UH, FOR JUNE 19TH, UH, WITH A CORRECTION MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ SECOND. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SECOND 19TH, JUNE 17TH, THE 19TH. CORRECT. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 17TH AND JUNE 19TH WITH A CORRECTION, UH, PROVIDED BY COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ VELAZQUEZ. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU. YES. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. VELASQUE. MOTIONS TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. [02:20:01] MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.