* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:07] HEY, JEFF. WE'RE LIVE. IF YOU'RE MUTED, THIS IS JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN OF THE H D R C. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR A WEDNESDAY, JULY 15TH. I HAVE A ROLL [Roll Call] CALL, PLEASE. YES. FERNANDEZ FISH. HERE. GIBBS? HERE. QUEZ. HERE. AREOLA CARPENTER. HERE, RUB HERE. BOWMAN, THAT SIR. HERE. AND LAO HERE. HEY, UM, FIRST ORDER BUSINESS. WE HAVE A BRIEF, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT FROM OUR TRANSLATION SERVICES. THANK YOU. CAN WE GET THE [Chairman’s Statement] CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINT APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JEFFREY FETZER CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR ALL OF THEIR COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. YES, THANK YOU. UM, I'LL SWORN TO GO AHEAD AND PULL UP THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN FOR US. SO WE DO HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 28, THAT'S 3 35 TRAIL. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S BEEN HIGHLIGHTED ON YOUR SCREEN. UM, HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT TO THE NEXT HEARING, WHICH HAS BEEN SET FOR AUGUST 5TH. SO NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN ON THAT ITEM TODAY. UM, WE DID RECEIVE 22 STATEMENTS TO BE READ IN RECORD ON 11 VOICEMAIL RECORDINGS AND ADDIT AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT LETTERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN REVIEW FOLDER. UM, THEY REPLACED THERE TODAY. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY LIVE SPEAKERS SCHEDULED FOR THE ITEM. UM, ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE CARRIED OVER TO AUGUST 5TH. UM, SO NO ADDITIONAL ACTION IS NEEDED BY THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO SUBMITTED COMMENTS. IF YOU DID SUBMIT COMMENTS FOR TODAY'S ITEM, UM, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO UPDATE OR EDIT YOUR COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE AUGUST 5TH HEARING IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, SO AGAIN, ITEM 28 3 35 TRAIL WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, UM, LOOKING [Consent Agenda] TO THE CONSENT ITEMS, UM, JUST A REMINDER, THESE ARE CASES WHERE STAFF IS EITHER RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR APPROVAL OF STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS FOR THESE CASES THAT WILL, UM, BEGIN, UH, THAT PART OF THE AGENDA BY READING THOSE ITEMS. UM, FIRST I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON GENERAL COMMENTS. UM, SO I'LL PROVIDE THAT FIRST. UM, THIS COMES FROM MONICA SINO ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL RESIDENTS IN NUITY HILL 1120 EAST CROCKETT. THE 2012 O H P HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE THE FIRST ONES DRAFTED AND WERE SUCCESSFUL VENTURE AND OUTLINING AND DESIGN AND REDEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. OF COURSE, THE CURRENT EFFORT TO AMEND THE CRITICAL TO CREATING CLARITY AND CERTAINTY IN THE PROCESS. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HOPE THAT THE DEFINED ROLES OF O H P AND THE H [00:05:01] C R C CONTINUE RESPECTIVELY AS THE AGENCY THAT OVERSEES PROVISIONS OF HISTORIC AND DESIGN REGULATIONS AND THE COMMISSION THAT REVIEWS THE PROJECTS WITH AN EYE TO COMMUNITY INPUT. WHILE THEY CAN HARDLY CITE OR NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFIC, WE HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY ASSURED BY STAFF THAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD BE APPLIED FAIR WITHOUT REGARD TO ESTABLISHING PRESIDENT SETTING DECISIONS AND TO RELY ON ONLY CONFORMING OR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD EXAMPLES FOR VALIDATION. AND AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH INCREASINGLY INCONSISTENT INTERPRETATION APPLICATIONS OF THE GUIDELINE. IT BECOMES ESPECIALLY CRITICAL THAT STIPULATIONS ACCURATELY REFLECT AND INCLUDE FINDINGS OR, OR ENT DESIGN FOR THE DISTRICT AND BETTER CLARITY FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, MOVING TO ITEM ONE, UM, ONE 18 BOSTON. UM, WE HAVE TWO COMMENTS. THE FIRST IS FROM MONICA SABINO, 1120 EAST CROCKETT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS. UM, WE RECENTLY SUPPORTED A ONE STORY COMPATIBLE INFILL FOR THIS LOT, BUT WE DO NOT SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY. FIRST, STAFF CONTEXT AND DEVELOP FIRST STAFF CONTEXT AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS FINE AND IMPROVE SIMILAR NEW CONSTRUCTION BY THE SAME APPLICANT. BUT LIKE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT, IT GREW WITH HISTORIC BLOCK. ACTUALLY, THE ADJACENT GUIDELINES FOR PRINCIP ONE ENSURE THAT HISTORIC BUILDINGS REMAIN THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE DISTRICT, ENCOURAGING SUCH A LARGE DEVELOPMENT OF MANY TWO STORY STRUCTURES, ADDING TWO NARROW STREETS OF BOSTON AND LOW WITH ONE STORY HOUSES SERVED NOT TO INSURE ANYTHING BUT TO, BUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE BLOCK'S. HISTORIC NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE DISTINGUISH DISTINGUISHABLE FROM TO THE DISTRICT WITHOUT DETRACTING FROM IT. ENCROACHING PROJECT OF APARTMENT HOUSES, AND NOW AN SIX BEDROOM PROJECT TO PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. MATERIALS AND WINDOWS ARE SO DISSIMILAR THAT THEY DISTRACT FROM THE HISTORIC INTERPRETATION OF THE DISTRICT, UM, AT STUCCO, SIDING, STEEL PORCH, RAILINGS, FINAL WINDOWS, AND WE SUDDENLY HAVE BUILDINGS THAT COMPROMISE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE A WALK DOWN. BOSTON WILL NOW CONFIRM THAT NEW INFILL DOESN'T REFLECT OR RESPOND TO ANYTHING HISTORIC IN OUR DISTRICT. THE SECOND COMMENT COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT, 9 22 NORTH PINE STREET. I DO NOT SUPPORT O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CLOUD WINDOWS BE ALLOWED AND THAT THEY ARE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE. IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT AND O H P USED THE WORD CLAD. THE WINDOWS SPECIFIED ARE ANDERSON 200 SERIES VINYL CLOUD WINDOWS VINYL. A TYPE OF PLASTIC IS NOT HIGHLY, NOT HIGH QUALITY, SUSTAINABLE OR GREEN AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED FOR USE. THIS FURTHER ILLUSTRATES THE EVER MOVING TARGET OF EXCEPT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS CASE ASKS FOR AND RECEIVES. THIS CASE ASKS FOR AND RECEIVES SUPPORT FOR VINYL CLOUD WINDOWS AS SEPARATE CASE ON A SEPARATE CASE ON TODAY'S CALENDAR. AS FOR ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND IS REFERRED TO THE STAFF STANDARD GUIDELINES, THESE GUIDELINES ARE NOT FOUND IN THE CSSA APPROVED GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION TO COMP TO COMPLICATE WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS EVEN MORE IN EARLIER NEW BUILD IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT RECEIVED A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM PLA WOOD ONLY. I RECOMMEND THAT A CONSISTENT WINDOW SPECIFICATION BE USED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT IT NOT INCLUDE VINYL OR VINYL PLAID WINDOWS AS AN OPTION. UM, THE NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 2, 1 20. CALLAHAN. THIS COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. ONE OF 70 KING WILLIAM CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO BELIEVES THAT THE BLATANT MISUSE OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS EXHIBITED AT ONE 20 CALLAHAN POINTS TO THE NEED TO STIFFER PENALTIES AND HIGHER DAILY FINES FOR VIOLATIONS. THIS PERMIT FOR AN ADDITION BECAME NEARLY COMPLETE, BECAME A NEARLY COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC HOUSE. SUCH WILLFUL VIOLATIONS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO ONGOING FINES IN ADDITION TO REQUIREMENT TO REBUILD THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. UM, ITEM 13 5 0 1 HAY STREET. UH, THIS COMES FROM MONICA SABINO ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS AT ONE 20 EAST CROCKETT STREET. WE SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL LETTERS IN YOUR REVIEW FOLDER. UM, SO AT THIS TIME I'LL CALL UPON COMMISSIONERS, UM, TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS LIKE TO PULL ONE, PLEASE. ONE 18 BOSTON. OKAY. SO WE'LL MARK THAT ON THE SCREEN. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ROOM ON TWO THROUGH 16. CHAIRMAN FETZER, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEMS TWO THROUGH 16 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. BETSON. AYE. UNE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, SO NOW LET'S UNMUTE EDWARD. EDWARD, [00:10:01] DO YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM ONE ON THE LINE? I HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM ONE, BEN BOWMAN ON THE LINE. UM, MR. BALDMAN, MY NAME IS, UM, COMMISSIONER GIBSON. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS CONCERNING YOUR PROJECT AT ONE 18 BOSTON. SO THE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS MENTIONED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BUT CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THERE? UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ONE THAT'S BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU'RE KIND OF DETRACTING AWAY FROM HISTORIC DESIGN OR THIS, THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN YOU, UM, SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU ALL. BEN BOWMAN, ONE 30 BOSTON STREET. I AM THE APPLICANT ARCHITECT AND CONTRACTOR. UM, I REALLY APOLOGIZE. MY PHONE WAS CUTTING OUT, UH, DURING SOME OF THOSE AND IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE I'M TALKING OVER YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. UM, SORRY I DIDN'T HEAR ALL THE COMMENTS. I THINK I GOT THE GIST OF IT AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, STAFF, CAN WE PLEASE PULL UP SLIDE 16? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S PERFECT. UH, SO I THINK THAT THIS BEGINS TO TALK TO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS. I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY UNIQUE SITUATION HERE BECAUSE BOSTON STREET IS A VERY SHORT TWO BLOCK STREET. IT'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE. AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU CAN REALLY ACCESS OFF OF BOSTON STREET IS BOSTON STREET ITSELF. UM, THIS IS A HISTORICALLY UNDERDEVELOPED AREA THAT'S SEEING A LOT OF CRIME OVER THE RECENT YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT. UM, SO WHAT USED TO BE QUITE A LOT OF VACANT LAND AND KIND OF A HUB FOR SOME UNFORTUNATE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY, WHICH STILL PERSISTS TO THIS DAY. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO COME IN AND IMPROVE THAT IN A WAY THAT'S HISTORICALLY SENSITIVE, BUT ALSO, UH, APPROPRIATE IS ADAPTED INFILL FOR THE CURRENT HOUSING CONDITION THAT WE FACE. SO ONE OF THE SOCIAL ISSUES SURROUNDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW IS THAT THERE IS AN EXTREME LACK OF QUALITY AFFORDABLE RENTALS. UM, YOU CAN GO RENT A HISTORIC HOUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN PREPARED WELL AND HAS GOT A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, OR YOU CAN PURCHASE A BRAND NEW INFILL HOUSE, WHICH IS A MUCH DIFFERENT SITUATION AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN BETWEEN. SO OUR GOAL HERE IS TO PROVIDE A HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MIS MISSING MIDDLE INFILL THAT WILL HELP SERVE SOME OF THAT POPULATION. AND I THINK IT MERITS CONSIDERATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO THIS TO GO SELL FOR THE MOST MONEY POSSIBLE. WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS PROJECT TO RENT PEOPLE APARTMENTS AT WHAT IS CONVOLUTED, BUT IT'S AN ESSENTIALLY A CAPITAL A AFFORDABLE RATE. UM, SO MUCH OF THE PROJECT TAKES ITS DESIGN FROM FOUR 13 NORTH PINE, WHICH IS ON SLIDE 23. THAT IS PROBABLY THE FIRST HOUSE IN THIS AREA. AND THIS PIECE OF LAND WAS ORIGINALLY TIED TO THAT IN SOME WAY. UM, SO WE'VE COME IN AND TAKEN A LOT OF DESIGN CUES FROM THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE TO HELP PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT, UH, SPEAKS TO IT IN A WAY THAT IS CONTEMPORARY YET APPROPRIATE, BUT ALSO IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MEETS SOME OF THESE OTHER GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I THINK ARE VALID AND IMPORTANT. UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT STARTS TO TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS VISIBLE ON SLIDE 11 AND SUBSEQUENTLY SLIDE 12, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN FOOTPRINT. WE ARE VERY MUCH FOLLOWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. UH, THERE'S A SERIES OF THREE SHOTGUN HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET ON BOSTON, WHICH IS REALLY OUR ONLY CONTACT AT FOUR 13 NORTH PINE. AND, UH, WE'VE REALLY TAKEN A LOT OF CUES FROM THOSE STRUCTURES TO TRY AND BUILD IN A COMPATIBLE WAY THAT PROVIDES HOUSING THAT PEOPLE TODAY REALLY NEED. WE NEED RENTAL HOUSING THAT ALSO FITS THE BILL AND FITS A HISTORIC CONTEXT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UM, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR, BUT I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE WITH YOU AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SORRY, I MISSED PART OF THAT ORIGINAL NARRATIVE, BUT, UH, I KNOW THIS IS A LONG MEETING. I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR BACK UP TO YOU GUYS WITH A INVITATION TO, UH, CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION IN THE DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE. AND THIS IS COREY. UM, I GOT SEVERAL TEXT MESSAGE MESSAGES SAYING THAT I WAS CUTTING OUT DURING THE CONFERENCE. WERE YOU ALL ABLE TO HEAR THEM OR DO I NEED TO GO BACK AND REPEAT IT FOR THIS CASE? YOU WERE CUTTING OUT OFF AND ON. OH, WE HAVE THEM IN OUR FOLDERS. I WAS ABLE TO READ ALONG IF THOSE WERE THE SAME ONES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING DIFFERENT. UM, SO I TOOK IT, I WAS READING, BUT I FEEL CORY, THAT EVERY TIME YOU TALK YOU ARE CUTTING OUT NOT ONLY WHEN READING ALSO NOW. OKAY. I'LL TRY A DIFFERENT WIFI SOURCE. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CONTINUE ON ME. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROJECT, [00:15:01] UM, I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, HAVE YOU CONSULTED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CONCERNING THIS? AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I'M SENSITIVE TO HEARING ABOUT WHAT THEIR EXPRESSIONS ARE ARE OR THIS CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT. AND SO HAVE YOU CONSULTED WITH THEM OR HAVE YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, FIGURED YOU WOULD JUST GO ALONG WITH THE GUIDELINES AND NOT CONSULT OR GET GUIDANCE FROM THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, THANK YOU. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION TO ANSWER VERY DIRECTLY. NO, WE HAVEN'T CONSULTED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THAT'S, UH, KIND OF A COMPLEX ANSWER. AND JUST TO BE PERFECTLY CANDID, I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF SEED CHANGES, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THIS PROJECT, AND IT'S KIND OF A, BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET. AND THEN THAT'S SUBSIDIARY TO THE FACT THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THESE DAYS, INCLUDING THIS MEETING, WE'RE WORKING UNDER CONDITIONS THAT ARE PRETTY TOUGH TO GO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE. I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, OUTREACH IS LIKE DIRECTLY OPPOSED TO WHAT THE MAYOR IS SUGGESTING THAT WE GO DO. SO WE'VE BEEN IN VERY CLOSE CONTACT WITH OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND HAVE GIVEN A LITTLE WORK TO THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET AND ARE TALKING DIRECTLY ABOUT DESIGN OF THE PROJECT WITH THE OWNER OF FOUR 13 NORTH PINE, THE ORIGINAL CASE STUDY, UM, AND AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ON ONE 18 BOSTON STREET. I MEAN, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS DISENFRANCHISE ANYBODY ON BOSTON BECAUSE WE ARE EXTREMELY INVESTED IN A PERSONAL WAY. I MEAN, I LIVE AT THIS PROJECT, THIS IS ALL THAT I'M DOING WITH MY CAREER FOR NOW. AND WE HAVE A, A REALLY PERSONAL INTEREST IN MAINTAINING GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE PEOPLE. SO, UH, WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WORTH MENTIONING IS SOUTH OF HOUSTON STREET, WHICH I THINK IS A PRIMARY SEPARATOR FROM MUCH OF WHAT I WOULD CALL THE NICER PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO TO DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE'VE BEEN REALLY STRIVING TO MEET THAT INTENTION AND HAVE NOT DIRECTLY APPROACHED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PROPER AS THE LAST I HEARD THEY WERE NOT HOLDING MEETINGS, SAID COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST COMMEND, COMMEND THE ARCHITECT Z ON A WONDERFUL PROJECT. UM, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS WAS SAYING, IT, IT IS ALWAYS VERY PRUDENT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. OF COURSE, IF YOU DID, DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ONE OR, OR, UM, IF THE CHANGES ARE GOING ON, UM, THAT, THAT THAT HAPPENS. UM, UM, BUT, UH, MY, MY COMMENT, UM, REALLY, UH, IS IS I DON'T THINK JUST A, JUST A COMPLIMENT. UM, THE THE, THE WORK IS GOOD AND, AND IT IS OF THE QUALITY OF A, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS WONDERFUL ARCHITECTURE. AND THIS, THIS PROJECT CLEARLY SPEAKS OF, OF COMBINING TECHNOLOGIES OF, UH, THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE PAST AND IN A, IN A, IN A BEAUTIFUL BALANCE OF, UH, OF, OF THE LANGUAGE OF, OF THE PRESENT, WHICH IS, UM, REALLY SPEAKS OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE CHANGES OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, OF, UH, MATERIALS. NOW, UH, UH, CO COREY, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WITH RESPECT TO, TO THIS, UH, PROJECT, UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS REALLY WITH RESPECT TO WINDOWS AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND EVEN IN, IN ONE OF THE OTHER LETTERS IN TERMS OF CONSEQUENCES AND ALL THESE THINGS. BUT I THINK THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S WORTH OF GETTING CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY THAT, THAT THERE IS NOT A RULE AGAINST A VINYL CLAD WINDOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, NO, UM, FOR PROBABLY THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS NOW, WE HAVE STRIVEN TO BE VERY CONSISTENT THOUGH IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED, UM, THE WINDOWS, UH, POLICY DOCUMENT, WHICH IS A SUPPLEMENT TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION THAT HAS SOME SPECIFICATIONS, UM, THAT WE DO FOLLOW. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A SERIES OF, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE SYSTEM USING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, UM, IN REGARDS TO DIMENSIONALITY MATERIALS, UM, UH, IN INSTALLATION METHOD, BUT, BUT CONSISTENCY. AND SO CONSISTENCY IS NOT A, UH, A, A, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, UM, A TRADE OFF FOR WHAT THE CODE IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A STANDARD THAT EXISTS, RIGHT? AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE I'S REMEMBER ONE, ONE YOUNG MAN THAT CAME BEFORE US THAT HAD GOTTEN AN APPROVAL FOR VINYL WINDOWS, THIS IS A GUY ON HACKBERRY. THEY HAD GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR VINYL WINDOWS BY A COMMISSION, H D R C COMMISSION, AND HE CAME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND WE RULED AGAINST WHAT [00:20:01] HIS PREVIOUS COMMISSION HAD RULED ON ANOTHER HOUSE THAT HE HAD DONE, WHICH THEY WERE JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER. NOW, THE, THE, THE HOUSE ITSELF THAT, THAT I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THIS ACTUALLY IS AN INCREDIBLE HUMBLE, UM, OF DESIGN. SOMETHING THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING AT OR A NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING AT, UM, WOULD REALLY ONLY BE, YOU KNOW, PICKING ON SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY TOLD THEM WAS VINYL. BECAUSE IF OTHERWISE, THERE WOULD BE NO, NO REASON TO SAY THAT THIS IN ANY WAY DOWNGRADES THE STANDARD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW WHAT MY, MY POINT THOUGH, COREY, IS THAT IF THERE'S NOT A RULE THAT THAT, UM, IS A, IS AN ORDINANCE AGAINST THE VINYL CLOUD WINDOW, I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO ON THE RECORD AS, UM, UM, UM, STRONGLY URGING, UH, THIS COMMISSION TO, UM, UH, HEAR THE APPLICANT, UH, IN THE CONTEXT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT AN ORGANIZATION LIKE PELLA WOULDN'T PUT VINYL ON A WINDOW IF IT, IF THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT CAN EXIST WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT MATERIAL. TOUCHING WOOD, UH, AS HE'S, AS HE'S PRESENTED AND SPOKEN IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY AND ALL THESE OTHER, ALL THESE OTHER POINTS, AND I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO REGARDING EQUITY AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT, UH, ISSUES IN, IN THE IMBALANCE OF, UH, OF, OF, UM, UH, BEING THE MOST SEGREGATED, ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, UH, COUNTRY. AND I'M CONVINCED THAT MUCH OF THIS SEGREGATION IS NOT OCCURRING AT THE HANDS OF DEVELOPERS. BUT HAVING AT, AT THE HANDS OF, OF APPRAISAL DISTRICTS AND COMMISSIONS WHO, WHO ARE HOLDING TO RULES THAT ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY SEE, WHAT WE SEE THAT IS BEING PRESENTED CAN BE CONSIDERED ARCHITECTURE. AND IT'S NOT BAD. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY WELL DONE. UH, SO JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE IS NOT A LAW OR AN ORDINANCE AGAINST A VINYL CLAD P WINDOW. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. THANK FOR THE NICE GO AHEAD CHAIRMAN. YEAH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, I WANT TO ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS BY PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, IT IS A, SEEMS TO BE A WELL THOUGHT OUT AND, AND WELL DETAILED, UH, PROJECT. I DO HAVE SOME, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED IN 1 22 THROUGH ONE 30 BOSTON, WERE, ARE THEY ALUMINUM CLAD OR ARE THEY VINYL CLAD? THOSE ARE THE SAME WINDOW SERIES AND MANY OF THE SAME EXACT WINDOW DIMENSIONS. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE NICE WORDS ABOUT THIS. I KNOW THIS IS A SENSITIVE SUBJECT, AND TO REALLY GET AT THE HEART OF THE MATTER, I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. ONE, THESE WINDOWS ARE DETAILED IN A PRETTY EXCEPTIONAL MANNER. UM, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET FRAMERS TO DETAIL THESE WINDOWS THIS WAY. AND WE GO THROUGH THIS TO HELP IMPROVE THE VISUAL ASPECT AND QUALITY OF HOW THOSE LOOK. I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT TO HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT AND HAVE SEEN MANY VINYL FACE WINDOWS NOT WORK OUT. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS THAT WE INTEND TO BE LONG-TERM OWNERS OF THIS PROJECT. AND I AM SMART ENOUGH AND STUPID ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT I AM NOT THE BEST AT MAINTENANCE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS KIND OF SCALE. AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE A WINDOW PACKAGE THAT WILL LOOK GOOD IN 20 YEARS, AND WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO INSTALL THESE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER. AND THERE'S A LOT OF CARE AND CONSIDERATION GOING INTO THE ROUGH OPENING AS WELL AS THE WINDOW PROFILE ITSELF. I THINK THESE ARE NOT CHEAP WINDOWS, BUT IF WE WERE TO MAKE A TRANSITION TO A DIFFERENT WINDOW PACKAGE, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY A REAL THING, WE WOULD END UP EITHER HAVING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT COST WITH SOME OTHER DETAIL OR LACK THEREOF, OR, UM, INCREASE THE RENTS, WHICH WE REALLY JUST WOULD LOVE TO AVOID DOING IF WE CAN. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN FETZER AGAIN, THANK YOU. UH, THE OTHER QUESTION IS LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN ON PAGE 27, UM, YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT IS A SIX BEDROOM, BASICALLY A DUPLEX OF SOME SORT, BUT YOU'RE ONLY PROVIDING TWO PARKING SPACES. UM, I SEE ACROSS LOW ALLEY, THERE'S EIGHT PARKING [00:25:01] SPACES FOR THE, THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON, ON THAT END OF LOW ALLEY, UH, WITH SIX POTENTIALLY MORE OCCUPANTS OF THIS NEW PROPOSAL. WHERE DO YOU PROPOSE TO PARK THEM? THANK YOU. I THINK THAT THAT IS AN AWESOME QUESTION. AND SO I'LL SAY THIS ONLY IN SERVICE TO THE CONVERSATION. I'M ALSO A LICENSED REAL ESTATE BROKER. AND MUCH OF THE LITIGATION THAT SURROUNDS THAT BUSINESS HAS TO DO WITH PROTECTED STATUS. AND I THINK FAMILIAL STATUS IS SOMETHING THAT IS PERHAPS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THIS CONVERSATION. SO AT THE HEART OF THIS, THIS IS A SIX BEDROOM SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, AND WE PROPOSED TO HOUSE SIX INDIVIDUALS HERE AT AFFORDABLE RATES. AND THAT IS A FAMILIAL STATUS THAT I THINK IS PROTECTED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND ON A PRACTICAL LEVEL, I THINK IF YOU'RE PAYING SEVEN OR $800 A MONTH IN RENT, IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A CAR. AND YOUR MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION MIGHT BE ON THE BIKE RACK AND YOU MIGHT RIDE THE BUS. AND THE CURRENT SITUATION ON BOSTON STREET IS I KNOW OF AT LEAST THREE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE NO FORM OF TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN A BUS CARD. AND WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS GONNA CHANGE THAT STREET ACROSS LOW VALLEY AT 1 22 TO 1 26 BOSTON. BUT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT, AND I THINK TO PROVIDE INHABITANTS THAT FALL INTO THAT OTHER SOCIOECONOMIC CATEGORY AND OPTION WHERE YOU CAN GO LIVE AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE AND MAYBE YOU RIDE THE BUS AND THAT'S OKAY. UM, THAT'S REALLY OUR SOLUTION TO IT. SO I THINK YOU KNOW THIS BY THE U D C, THIS MEETS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. I THINK ON PRACTICAL TERMS, THE LAST, THE, THE PEOPLE MOST IMPACTED BY A PROBLEM PARKING PROBLEM HERE WOULD BE US. AND SO WE'RE CERTAINLY SENSITIVE TO THAT ISSUE AND ARE VOLUNTARILY PROVIDING PARALLEL SPACES ALONG BOSTON STREET, ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET AT OUR COST AND THE REST OF THE PROJECT. AND I THINK, UM, IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION, BUT IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY BELIEVABLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PAYING SEVEN OR 800 BUCKS A MONTH AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CAR, YOU FIT SQUARELY INTO THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS? WE'VE AGREED TO ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. WE THINK THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. ONE OF THOSE IS RELATED TO THE WINDOWS AND, UM, WE, UH, WE EITHER HAVE OR WE PLAN TO PROVIDE FULL WINDOW PROFILES AND A FULL WINDOW EXPLANATION THAT IS, UM, AS CLEAR AS WE CAN COMMUNICATE. AND I WANNA, UH, ON THAT JUST SAY THAT, UM, I, I MEAN I REMEMBER YOUR PREVIOUS PROJECTS AND I THINK THERE'S A PICTURE YOU SHOWED EARLIER. UM, WHAT WE FOCUSED ON WHEN WE APPROVED THOSE WINDOWS WAS THAT YOU MATCHED THE PROFILE. AND AS LONG AS YOU DO THAT, THE MATERIAL IS, IS JUST, THE MATERIAL IS, IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHAT WE FOCUS ON, IT'S THE PROFILE. AND I THINK YOU DID ADDRESS THAT LAST TIME. SO I MEAN, I'M JUST KEEPING THAT, UM, STIPULATION THERE. UM, WHICH I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, AND I THINK IT'S ALSO PART OF WHY THAT NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERN. THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM HERE IS THE PROFILE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW. AND I THINK YOU DID IT GOOD ON THE OTHER PROJECTS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. THANK MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND VELASQUEZ, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN? I, YES, I, I I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE, UH, I MIGHT HAVE SPOKE TOO SOON. I, I'D LIKE TO, UM, JUST CLARIFY THE WINDOW COMMENT. UM, AND I'M, I'M SCROLLING TO THAT SECTION. UM, STAFF COMMENTS OF STAFFS RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED CLAD WOULD WINDOWS FOLLOW STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ARE YOU, UH, UM, UH, MAKING THAT MOTION CONSIDERING THE VINYL WOOD WINDOW? YES, I AM, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE STANDARDS ARE, AS COMMISSIONER, UH, MENTIONED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY BASED UPON DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AND NOT MATERIAL STANDARDS. AND SO, UH, THAT IS, UH, HOLDING WITH THAT, UH, LIST STIPULATION. AND, AND I WILL ADD THAT, UM, IN THE FINDINGS, WE DO SAY THAT THE, THE ACTUAL WINDOW PRODUCT WE'RE FINDING TO BE, WE'RE FINDING TO MEET THOSE GUIDELINES. UM, THE STIPULATION IS THERE BECAUSE OFTENTIMES ONCE A CONTRACTOR GETS OUT THERE AND INSTALLS THE WINDOWS, THEY NO LONGER FIND A WAY TO MEET [00:30:01] THE SPECIFICATIONS. SO IT'S JUST THERE TO ENSURE THAT COMPLIANCE LATER ON. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION IN MY, THE SECOND, UH, STANCE. UH, AND, AND, AND CHAIRMAN, I, I, I KNOW THAT AFTER FIRST AND SECOND THERE'S DISCUSSION, I JUST WANNA TAKE ONE COMMENT TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT ON THE PAGE 72 OF 73, I GUESS IT'S HERE, OR IT'S PAGE 33 OF THE P D F. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE, UH, THE SIL DETAIL AND THE HEAD DETAIL. THEY'RE ACTUALLY REALLY BEAUTIFULLY DONE. I KNOW FOR ALMOST THEY'RE SIMPLE, BUT IF THAT DETAIL, UH, COULD BE SHARED WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO, YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY OF THESE SITUATIONS COME WHERE IT REALLY IS JUST A MATTER OF THAT SIMPLE DETAIL. BUT OF COURSE, IT'S VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND, AND I, AS A PERSON WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT A DRAFTING TABLE, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR DETAILS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP? AYE. WAS THAT AN AYE? YES. FETZER. AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, THAT [20-4101 Address/Description: 619 DAWSON ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-220 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Anahita Moshgbar Bakhshayeshi/Moshgbar Anahita Request: Construction of a 1.5 story residential structure City Council Dist.: 2] BRINGS US TO ITEM 17. UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE EDWARD JUST A COUPLE MINUTES TO, UM, DISCONNECT WITH THIS APPLICANT AND CALL THE NEXT APPLICANT. AND EDWARD, YOU'RE MUTED NOW, SO GIMME A THUMBS UP WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BE UNMUTED. EDWARD. HELLO, . I'M SORRY. LET'S, LET'S START OVER WITH THE, WITH READING THE CASE INTO THE RECORD. SORRY ABOUT THAT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 26 19. DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 1.5 STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT MOD AT SIX 19. DAWSON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH SS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ONE, THAT A SETBACK THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK SHOULD BE USED AS NOTED IN FINDING E TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROPOSED MASS AND FORM TO BE PROPORTIONATELY ACCURATE RATHER THAN READING AS A ONE STORY STRUCTURE WITH AN OVERALL HEIGHT, APPROXIMATELY 21 FEET THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND NOTES FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK IS NOTED IN FINDING H FOUR, THAT SIDING FEATURE AND EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES, A SMOOTH FINISH, A THICKNESS OF APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH AND MITERED CORNERS. ADDITIONALLY, THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH, NEITHER A CRIMP RIDGE SEAM OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING L AND SIX THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED APPROPRIATE PORCH MASKING IS NOTED IN FINDING O THERE'S ALSO COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION AS WELL AS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. UH, AND THERE ARE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE NOTES IN THE EXHIBIT. HELLO? YES, PLEASE PROCEED. HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, THIS IS SPEAKING. UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STORY REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR LETTING ME PRESENT THE DESIGN FOR MY FAMILY HOME. UM, I HAVE DESIGNED A HOME THAT, UH, FITS WITHIN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, THAT THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS LAID OUT, UH, WITH THE CONTEMPORARY APPEAL AND, UH, HAS BEEN TRULY REVIEWED BY DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. [00:35:01] UM, DRAWING ON MY ARCHITECTURAL STUDIES FROM UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON. I HAVE WORKED TO DESIGN, UM, AN ELEGANT DESIGN THAT WILL BLEND NATURALLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO AS A WIFE AND A MOTHER OF TWO, UH, TRY TO DESIGN A HOME THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF A YOUNG FAMILY. EXTERIOR, UM, IS A BLEND OF HISTORIC NESTING THAT CAN BE SEEN ON PAGE, UM, 14 TO 33, UH, WHICH WAS CREATED WITH ASSISTANCE FROM THE D R C. THE INTERIOR DESIGN IS A DESIGN THAT, UH, EMPHASIZES MOSTLY ON PRIVACY IN CONNECTION WITH MY IRANIAN HERITAGE, AS WELL AS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ELEMENTS SUCH AS HIGH CEILING, HARDWOOD FLOOR STYLE OF THE WINDOWS AND TRIM. THIS IS A PROCESS THAT HAS BEGUN IN OCTOBER, 2019, UM, WHEN WE WERE HOME SHOPPING INDIGENOUS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAW THIS GORGEOUS BLANK CANVAS ON SIX 19 DOWN STREET. AND THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THEN. A VERY STRESSFUL AND CHALLENGING TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY. UM, LAST TIME WHEN I PRESENTED BEFORE THIS STUDY, I HAD JUST MY ARCHITECTURAL PLAN FOR HOME AND, UH, THE PANEL RECOMMENDED THAT I PASS THROUGH A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN QUITE A JOURNEY AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF MY D R C, UM, CHAIRMAN, FEOR COMMISSIONER GROUP COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, COMMISSIONER LAZARIN AND COMMISSIONER GIFTS, AND THE STAFF REVIEWER MR. FOR THEIR VALUABLE INPUT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, IN THE PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU, I HAVE MADE MANY IMPORTANT REVISIONS TO THE PLAN BASED ON THEIR GUIDELINES. UM, I UTILIZE THEIR DIRECTION AND EXPLORED THE DESIGN AS SPACE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE HISTORIC REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH ITERATIONS OF THE DESIGN CAN BE SEEN ON PAGES, UM, 35, UM, THROUGH 48. I THINK THE RESULT SPEAKS FOR THEMSELVES IN THE FINAL DESIGN THAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT. UM, PAGE 12. AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE TIME AND SUPPORT THIS BODY HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DESIGN OF MY HOME AND REQUEST YOU CURRENTLY APPROVE THE DESIGN. THANK YOU. UH, CHAIRMAN FESTER. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ THOSE NOW, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM MONICA SINO ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS, UM, 1120 EAST CROCKETT. WE SUPPORT O H P RECOMMENDATIONS. OUR COMMENTS PER THE PROVIDED DESIGN ITERATIONS AND INFORMATION INCLUDE PORCH AND FRONT GABLE FORM REQUIRES DESIGN ATTENTION, HOUSE WIDTH, AND ELEVATION COVERAGE RELATIVE TO LOT WIDTH SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE OR SIMILAR TO THOSE FOUND IN THE BLOCK BASE. EXISTING DRIVEWAY CUTS SHOULD BE REMOVED OR USED AS A THROUGH DRIVE ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE REAR OF THE LOT FRONT SETBACKS TO A ALIGN OR EXCEED THOSE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AND DEFINE ENTRY GATES SLASH FENCING SLASH PAD FOR CAR PARK AT THE REAR ALLEY. UM, THE SECOND COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION STUDY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THEY CONCUR WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL PROPOSED FOR AN ELEVATION DESIGN IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC PATTERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE FRONT PORCH NEEDS TO HAVE A PROPER USABLE DEPTH AND COLUMNS THAT DELINEATE THIS PORCH IN A WAY THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC NORM. THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF PAGE 41, SHOWS THE ONLY DESIGN IN THE APPLICATION NEARING APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS STRUCTURE. IF PORCH COLUMNS INCREASED PORCH STEPS WERE PART OF THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN, IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE PORCH PATTERNS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S ALL I CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, I THINK IT WAS PART OF TWO D R C MEETINGS. UM, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE STIPULATIONS, UM, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE STIPULATIONS THE APPLICANT HAS NO, UH, PROBLEM DECIDING. UM, I THINK THE CONVERSATION, UH, WELL, THIS, UH, THE SETBACK IS IF SHE MOVES THE HOUSE. SO SHE'S ALMOST, AND I DON'T KNOW, MEMBER SLIDE IT IS, IF REALLY STAFF CAN PULL THAT UP, SHE HAS COMPARED IT WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND SHE'S REALLY CLOSE. UM, THERE'S MAYBE A COUPLE FOOT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES, UH, NEXT TO IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO A TREE THAT WOULD IMPEDE HER TO, UH, BY MOVING THE HOUSE BACK, IT WOULD LITERALLY, UM, SHE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THAT TREE. SO I THINK ON THE SET, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN AGREE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. UM, I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT SHE USED THAT PARKING PAD. IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY NOT A PARKING PAD. IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH. THERE'S NO CURB CODE. WE LOOKED AT SOME PICTURES AND WE HAVE AGREED WITH HER THAT SHE'S GONNA LEAVE IT AS IS. UM, IT IS, IS THERE HISTORICALLY, SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEST TO JUST LEAVE IT AND THEN LET IT GO. SHE WILL NOT BE USING IT FOR PARKING. UM, IN THE PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BIGGER THAN WHAT IN REALITY IT IS. I THINK IT'S MORE [00:40:01] LEFT TO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE. UM, I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE APPLICANT, AND I'M NOT SURE AND AND I STILL DON'T AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT, IS THE FRONT MASSING, THE FRONT PORCH. I MEAN THE DESIGN OF THE FRONT PORCH. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN, UH, DISCUSSING A LOT AND GOING BACK AND FORTH. UM, THE COMMENT FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS CORRECT. IF SHE WERE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AS IS THE BEST PORCH DESIGN WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONE ON PAGE 41. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S EXACTLY ACCORDING TO THE, TO THE GUIDELINES. SO THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF, I GUESS, US CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD TWO DRCS, WE'RE GONE THROUGH MANY, MANY EXAMPLES. UM, I'M STILL NOT AGREEING THAT THIS IS THE BEST, UH, FRONT PORCH DESIGN. IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UH, I, I CAN KIND OF SEE THE, THE PROBLEM THAT APPLICANT MAY BE HAVING, BECAUSE MOST DEFINITELY THE SOLUTION THAT'S MOST CONSISTENT IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM COMPARABLE WITH RESPECT TO YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, TRYING TO UTILIZE A KIT OF PARTS TO, TO MAKE AN ORIGINAL STATEMENT. SO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS MOST DEFINITELY ORIGINAL, IS MOST DEFINITELY SPEAKING TO THE LANGUAGE OF THIS, THIS OWNER, DESIGNER, AND THE OTHER, UH, THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT. IT'S JUST MORE CONSISTENT FOR THE SAKE OF BEING MORE CONSISTENT. IT'S NOT BETTER. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF AN IMPROVEMENT. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, IS THE APPLICANT THERE? THE APPLICANT HEAR ME? UM, YES, I'M HERE. OKAY. UH, I THINK 1, 1, 1 WAY TO LOOK AT THIS AND, AND IT IS MORE IN TERMS OF A QUESTION THAT THAT STANDS OUT, THE REAR, WHICH IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, IS ACTUALLY VERY WELL BALANCED ELEVATION. SO WITHOUT GETTING, YOU KNOW, TOO DEEP INTO HOW IT ENDED UP THE WAY THAT IT IS, IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON WHY THE FRONT ELEVATION IS NOT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE REAR ELEVATION? BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THE NORTH ELEVATION REALLY DOES REALLY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT DYNAMICS, BUT THE, THE, THE BALANCE IS REALLY VERY PLEASING IN THE NORTH. THE, I UNDERSTAND THE SOUTH IS ORIGINAL, BUT J JUST LET ME, LET ME CUT MYSELF OFF AND MAKE IT SHORT. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE, THE FEEL THAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED IN THE NORTH, UH, ON THE SOUTH? IS, IS THERE ANY STRONG REASON WHY? UM, IT'S JUST, UH, BECAUSE OF THE PLAN, THE, UH, THE WAY THAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN LAID OUT. SO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS A VERY IMPORTANT AREA OF THE HOUSE IN CASE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCE. AND THEN, UM, FINDING, UM, THE PROPORTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, ABOUT, OF FINDING A WAY THAT WHETHER YOU WANNA GO TO THE, UM, THE LIVING ROOM OR THE BEDROOMS OR, AND ESPECIALLY ON THE BASIS THAT IS, UH, PLAN HAS BEEN LAID OUT. UM, UH, IT IS A KIND OF LIKE A PLAN THAT, UM, YOU, IT IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH LIKE PROTECTING THE PRIVACY OF THE HOUSE, WHICH, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU ENTER IT, YOU HAVE, YOU ARE ONLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE VIEW OF THE ENTRANCE AND THEN YOU ARE CHOOSING, LIKE, IF YOU ARE A KIND OF LIKE A CLOSE MEMBER TO THE FAMILY, YOU CAN BE KIND OF LIKE IN THE FAMILY ROOM OR, UM, AS A, LIKE A GUEST OR EVEN, EVEN AS AN OFFICIAL GUEST, THERE'S A KIND OF LIKE A, A VERY ELEGANT AND UM, LIKE A BEAUTIFUL LIVING ROOM THAT HAS LIKE, UM, A WINDOW, UM, VIEWING THE, UM, STREET FROM IT. UM, SO THAT ONLY THAT THAT HAPPENED ONLY TO BE THE RATE IS BECAUSE OF THE PLAN AND, UH, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF LIKE, UH, PROTECT THOSE TYPE OF VALUES THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. WELL, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LET ME TELL YOU THAT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE PLAN, PLAN IS A REALLY VERY INTERESTING PLAN. UM, AND, UH, AND I, AND I I, I AM SENSITIVE TO THE IDEA THAT IN A WAY THE FRONT, EVEN CULTURALLY RIGHT, SPEAKS OF PRIVACY AND THE HOUSE OPENS UP AS YOU ENTER. AND THEN AS YOU ARE IN THE, IN THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE SPACE, WHICH IS REALLY IN THE REAR, IS THAT IT'S, UM, IT'S THE, IT'S IT'S THE PRIVATE SPACE. IT'S, IT'S THE, THE FAMILY SPACE. SO, SO I, I THINK MAYBE CULTURALLY THE FRONT PORCH, YOU KNOW, IS NOT NECESSARILY AS IMPORTANT AS IT WOULD BE SAY TO THE 1940S WHEN EVERYBODY SAT OUT ON THEIR PORCH AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING. BUT, UM, I I, I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE WORTH TAKING A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? AS A DESIGNER, YOU'RE [00:45:01] A DESIGNER TO, TO SEE IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT SOUTH ELEVATION CONSISTENT WITH THE NORTH ELEVATION IN, IN OTHER WORDS, SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE WITH RESPECT TO HOW THE PORCH IS ADDRESSED. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO SAY IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT ENDS UP BEING A, A SIMPLE ANSWER LIKE YOUR PROPOSAL, WHICH I, I, I REALLY THINK IS, I MEAN, IT FORCES YOU TO, TO, TO, TO COMMIT TO A BAD COPY OF KIND OF NON ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECTURE. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO CONTINUE THE OR TO, TO, TO GO BACK AGAIN AND COME BACK, BUT I, I THINK THAT YOU'RE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED BY THE COMMUNITY WITH THAT NORTH ELEVATION, UM, ON, ON, ON ITS FACE. I, I LIKE THE PROJECT THE WAY THAT IT IS, AND OF COURSE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A VOTE, RIGHT? I'M NOT, I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT THAT, THAT IT WOULD GO THE WAY THAT YOU'D WANT IT TO GO THERE, OTHERWISE, I, I, I, I CAN APPRECIATE THE PROJECT PLAN ELEVATIONS ALTOGETHER. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, UM, I ECHO, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GROUP AND COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UM, ABOUT DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF IT, BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER THIS D R C MEETING, AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU CHANGED, UM, TOOK OUT THE GREEN SPACE BECAUSE I, I REMEMBER COMMISSIONER GRU WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE TRELLIS AND, AND GETTING THAT OUT THERE. SO, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ ABOUT MAKING THE, THE FRONT LOOK MORE SO LIKE THE BACK, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR, FOR THE PROJECT AND ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IT KIND OF FITS IN BETTER WITH THAT. SO JUST WANTED TO OFFER MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I ATTENDED ONLY ONE OF THE DRCS, THE LAST ONE. AND, UM, SO I CAN'T KIND OF COME LATE TO THIS PROJECT IN GIVING COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN WHAT IS BEING SHOWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE AND WHAT WAS CITED AS SOMETHING APPROACHING, UH, THE GUIDELINES, UH, MORE, UH, ACCURATELY. AND, AND THAT BEING SAID, UM, I THINK, UH, UH, I AGREE WITH, WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, VASQUEZ THAT THIS, THIS BEGINS TO GO INTO THE BLAND OF THE ALL, IT LOSES YOUR DESIGN INTENT. AND I, AS I SAID, THE D R C, I THINK YOU HAVE, UH, AN INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW OF THIS PROJECT. AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THE PROCESS RESULT IN SOMETHING THAT IS, IS SORT OF BLAND. BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE, UM, THE PROPORTIONS THERE ARE THAT ARE GENERATED BY THE SORT OF BIFURCATING OF THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH THE WOOD MATERIAL, UM, AND THE, THE, JUST THE EXTRUSION OF THE, THE GABLE OF THE ROOF TO CREATE A PORSCHE IS NOT GETTING TO THE PROPORTIONS THAT, UH, ARE NECESSARY. SO I'M KIND OF PUTTING ASIDE SOME OF THE DESIGN LANGUAGE AND TALKING ABOUT MORE OF THE PROPORTIONS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESULT IN CHARACTER FROM THAT. SO I, I WONDER IF, UH, PERHAPS, UH, THE DESIGN PROPOSAL IS VERY THOUGHTFUL, BUT IT'S ALSO A LITTLE TOO SELF-CONSCIOUS. AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, STUDY IN KIND OF WHAT DOES GIVE CHARACTER TO THE HOUSES NEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT HAVING TO REPLICATE THEM IN A, UM, IN A SLAVISH MANNER. SO I, OR AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IF, IF WE WERE BEING PROPOSED, IF, IF THE PROPOSAL IS STILL, UH, TO DO WHAT'S ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF OUR SCREEN HERE, I, I'M NOT SURE IT'S THERE YET, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY CLOSE. I THINK JUST A FEW TWEAKS AND YOU CAN ACHIEVE SOMETHING THAT HAS CHARACTER THAT ISN'T BLAND, THAT CAN CAPTURE YOUR POINT OF VIEW, BUT ALSO MORE, MORE, UH, CLOSELY CAPTURES THE SENSE OF PORTIONS THAT THESE VERY IMPORTANT, UH, THESE VERY SIMPLE HOUSES. AND SO THAT PORCH IS ONE OF THE FEW ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS. AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK SO MUCH, UH, ENERGY AND ATTENTION HAS HAS COME TO THIS. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WAS AT THE LAST D R C AND WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THE PORCH. AND, UM, I WANT TO THANK THE, THE APPLICANT FOR STUDYING DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, WHICH SHE HAS SHOWN IN HER PRESENTATION. I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE NOT, UH, APPROPRIATE, I THINK CO-OPTING SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OFF OF [00:50:01] OTHER HOUSES AND JUST APPLYING THEM TO, UM, YOUR CONCEPT DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T DO WELL FOR THE, FOR THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE DESIGNING, AND I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY DOES WELL FOR THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, ONE THING THAT WAS SUGGESTED, UH, TO GIVE THE FRONT PORCH A LITTLE MORE SCALE, AND I SEE THAT YOU HAVE ADDED THAT, UH, OPTION ON, UH, SLIDES 38 AND 39, AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE ON, ON THAT OPTION, WHICH BROUGHT THE PORCH, UH, SOFFIT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE THAT FRONT PORCH A LITTLE MORE HUMAN SCALE. UM, UH, WELL, TO ME, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK THE FRONT EX, YOU KNOW, EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, UM, ON THE PAGE 38 AND THE 39, I, UM, BASICALLY LIKE IT AS MUCH AS THE ONE THAT I HAD AT THE BEGINNING. AND, UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO WITH THAT OPTION. UM, AND, UH, UH, I THINK IT HAS A VERY NICE OUTCOME. UM, AND I THINK IT'S STILL LIKE KEEPING THAT, UM, UNIQUENESS AND THIS, UM, LIKE THE, ALL THE COLOR BALANCE THAT I WANTED TO KEEP INSIDE IT, AND ALL THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE, UH, BROUGHT TO ME ARE STILL IN THAT DESIGN. AND, UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE THIS. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO, TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I, I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF MR. CARPENTER DID, BECAUSE HE'S SO GOOD AT, AT, UH, UH, EXECUTING THESE, UH, VERY KIND OF COMPLICATED, UH, MOTIONS. UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, COMMISSIONER? WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPLIMENT. I, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE I'M MUSH MOUTHED WHEN I COME TO TRY AND MAKE THESE, THESE MOTIONS. UM, I'M NOT SURE I'D MAKE THE MOTION THAT YOU'D WANNA HEAR THOUGH, UH, AT THIS POINT. SO, UM, I, I, I, I, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLACE YOUR, YOUR OWN MOTION AND LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES. LET, LET ME, LET ME READ THIS. MY, MY MOTION WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, UM, OR I WOULD MAKE A MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ACCEPT APPLICANT'S, UH, SUBMITTAL AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH, UM, UH, THE, THE EXCHANGE ON THE STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF SIX TO, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ELEVATION THAT IS PRESENTED, UH, SHOWING THE FRONT PORCH, STEPPING DOWN FROM THE, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A PAGE NUMBER HERE. YES, THAT, THAT, THAT PAGE NUMBER THERE, WHAT PAGE NUMBER IS THAT? UH, TH 38, PAGE 38. AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. SO AS PRESENTED WITH PAGE 38 AND ALL OTHER STIPULATIONS, UM, FOLLOWING AS PRESENTED, NOT AS, NOT AS, UH, UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, UM, UM, EXCEPT I GUESS THOSE, I, I, I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT ITEMS THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS, UH, OKAY WITH, UH, AT THIS POINT OR, OR EXACTLY WHAT ITEMS? UHHUH , UH, WELL, I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE THIS DOUBLE, UH, LOWER ROOF, UH, ROOF. AND, UM, IT WAS PERFECTLY FINE FOR ME TO GO WITH THAT, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR MASTER, UH, FISHER TO, UM, RECOMMEND THAT TO ME. AND IT, IT HAS A VERY BEAUTIFUL LOAD. AND, UM, UM, THIS IS [00:55:01] ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, BE HAPPY TO GO WITH, UM, NEXT TO THE, KIND OF LIKE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT IT HAD AND ANY OTHER WAY, LIKE I ADDED THE FRONT PORCH BECAUSE, UM, IT HAD A VERY BEAUTIFUL APPROACH TO THE HOUSE. AND, UM, WE EVEN REMOVED THE FRONT PORCH, FRONT PORCH, AND IT LOOKED LIKE MANY OF THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT STILL HAVING THE FRONT PORCH WAS, UH, SO BEAUTIFUL THAT WE DECIDED TO KEEP IT. AND AFTER THAT, I WOULD GO WITH THE OPTION THAT IS LIKE AN OVERALL FRONT PORCH, AND IT'S, UM, I THINK I DON'T HAVE A PAGE, UM, IT'S A SECOND OPTION, UH, THAT I PUT, UM, AFTER THE LOWER RULE. UH, IT'S A OVERALL, UM, IT'S A PAGE 40. AND AFTER THAT I WOULD, UM, GO WITH THAT AND THEN, UM, UH, THAT, THAT'S IT, I GUESS. OH, OKAY. SO, SO, SO THEN LET ME, LET ME, LET ME TRY ANOTHER STAB AT THIS MOTION. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE AS, UH, WITH, WITH ALL RE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS EXCEPT FOR SIX, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH PAGE, WHAT THAT PAGE WAS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 30 OR 38, UH, WHERE, WHERE THE PORCH HAS STEPPED DOWN ON AT THE ROOF LEVEL. BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, STIPULATIONS AND STATS RECOMMENDING ARE, ARE COMPLETELY ACHIEVABLE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY, ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT ON THOSE OTHERS. RIGHT. SO IT'S PRIMARILY, UH, HOW WE DEAL, HOW, HOW THE APPLICANT DEALS WITH THE PORCH. AND THIS PAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WOULD BE, UH, ITEM SIX, COMMISSIONER . YES. I THINK COMMISSIONER GROOVE MADE A VERY IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THE TREE, UH, MAKING, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION ONE SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT. SO I WONDER IF YOU MIGHT, UH, ADDRESS THAT IN YOUR MOTION. Y YES, AND, AND, UM, LET, LET ME, LET ME, UH, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME AND, AND THAT ITEM I B UH, UH, TO A MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE ACCOMMODATING THE EXISTING TREE I HAVE. IF, IF STAFF COULD, UH, JUST JUMP IN, UH, FOR ONE SECOND HERE. UM, I I MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME MORE DISCUSSION OR, UH, DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO, UH, STIPULATION TWO, UH, BECAUSE FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, UH, AS NOTED IN THE FINDINGS, STIPULATION TWO WOULD DRASTICALLY CHANGE, UH, THE DESIGN FROM, UH, BASICALLY FROM WHAT'S NOTED ON PAGE 38 AND WHAT'S BEEN MOTIONED. UH, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE DESIGN THAT'S NOTED IN THE MOTION MAY CONTRADICT, UH, STIPULATION TO THERE MAY BE A, A CLASH OR MAY BE DIFFICULT FOR THE APPLICANT TO ACHIEVE BOTH. LEMME JUST COMMENT HERE. I'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT TWO TIMES IN D R C AND ONE TIME H D R C, AND UM, WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THESE, UH, STIPULATIONS. AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS, IT'S MORE LIKE THE APPLICANT IS NOT BUDGING. SO I THINK WE GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL WITH THIS MOTION BECAUSE THERE IS A REASON, UM, WHY THESE STIPULATIONS. I MEAN, UH, THE APPLICANT CAME TO H R C, WE, WE FELT THAT THESE WERE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION TO BE, I THINK I PERSONALLY WAS THE ONE THAT SENT THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. WE HAVE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS, AND THE STIPULATIONS HAVEN'T CHANGED MUCH BECAUSE THE DESIGN HASN'T CHANGED MUCH. UM, THERE'S NO SOLUTION BECAUSE IT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, ANOTHER MEETING WOULD PROBABLY NOT DO ANY GOOD EITHER. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT IN YOUR MOTION. UH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER QUESTION. THE RIDGE HEIGHT THAT IS, UH, THE OVERALL HEIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, PART OF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO. UM, AS A DRAW ON THAT RIDGE HEIGHT IS HOW TALL? 22 FOOT ONE INCH? YES. SO, UH, THE RIDGE HEIGHT IS, UM, I THINK IT'S 22. UM, YES, I THINK IT'S 22.1 I GUESS. AND, UH, THE CEILING OF THE FIRST FLOOR IN SOME PARTS IS LIKE 12, UH, TO 13 FOOT. UM, AND THEN, UM, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE IS NINE FOOT, SO ON TOP OF THE ONE, UH, THAT IS THE NINTH FOOT, UM, THE AREA, IT'S A PRETTY MUCH A GOOD SPACE TO, UH, CREATE THE SECOND [01:00:01] FLOOR. UM, AND, UM, THAT IS WHAT IS CREATING THE REACH HEIGHT. AND EVEN WITHOUT THAT, I A, UM, ROOF SLOPE, UM, LIKE, UM, FOR TO ONE. UM, AND WITH THAT TYPE OF SLOPE STILL, I WOULD JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, GET TO THE, UH, RECHARGE OF LIKE 22 POINT, UH, 22 1. AND, UM, EVEN I, UM, THAT WAS THE MINIMUM THAT I COULD, UM, BASICALLY REACH OTHERWISE MAKE THE CEILING BLOWER OR I HAD TO, UH, MAKE IT KIND OF LIKE A LOWER SLOPE THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT WAS VERY MUCH RECOMMENDED IN THAT AREA. MOST OF THE HOUSES I HAVE, UH, LIKE A SLOPE ON THE ROOF, UH, AS SUCH. WELL, WOULD YOU BE, UM, LOOKING AT STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, UH, THAT BASICALLY ONE FOOT ABOVE WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, MODIFYING THE FIRST FLOOR HEIGHT SO THAT WE COULD KEEP THE, UH, OVERALL BUILDING HEIGHTS DOWN TO 21 FEET? IS THAT POSSIBLE? DO THAT? DEFINITELY. I CAN BRING, UM, THAT TO ONE, ONE PIECE LOWER AND PROBABLY, SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS IN A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT MADE THIS COMMENT AND IT'S IN THE FINAL, IT'S BECAUSE MOST COMMON IN THIS BLOCK IS A ONE STORY, THIS FRONT PORCH IS KIND OF A, A ONE STORY HOUSE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A TWO STORY HOUSE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT IMPACT THIS FRONT PORCH HAS. IT IS MUCH LARGER THAN WE ACTUALLY, I THINK, ARE THINKING IT IS. AND, AND, AND, AND THEN THE APPLICANT, WE'VE TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT THESE WINDOWS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT STIPULATION IS IN THERE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT KEEPS SHOWING US DESIGNS WITH THE WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT EQUAL. BUT THE APPLICANT TELLS ME THAT THAT IS NOT THE INTENTION. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND IT'S NOT THE INTENTION. SO I THINK KEEPING THE STIPULATION IS ONE THING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT GOES BACK TO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THE PRODUCT. SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION. UH, IN REGARDS TO STAFF'S COMMENTS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, ON PAGE 15, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE PORCH DECK HEIGHT TO THE CEILING HEIGHT OF THE RIDGE HEIGHT IS GONNA PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY 18 FEET. UM, AND SO THAT IS DRASTICALLY LARGER THAN THE PROPORTIONS THAT YOU SEE INCORPORATED WITH FRONT PORCH AND FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT. UH, SO THAT'S STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN IN REGARDS TO FRONT PORCH MASSING AND DESIGN. THIS IS CONCERN. I I, I CAN SEE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS HAPPENING IN THE PLAN, IT'S READING IN THE ELEVATION, UM, IN A VERY INTERESTING WAY BECAUSE WHERE WINDOWS ARE PULLED UP, IT'S WHERE THE CEILINGS ARE HIGH, GIVING IT THE IMPRESSION ONE STORY, BUT OF, OF OF SCALE, RIGHT? AND THEN WHERE IT'S TWO STORY WINDOWS ARE HIGHER, UH, WHICH IT JUST RAISES A QUESTION THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW, I MEAN, WHAT NECESSARILY THAT THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN BUILDING CODE IN TERMS OF HOW MANY WINDOWS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AND ALL THAT. BUT I CAN SEE HOW THE SCALE IS PULLED UP NOW, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, OR THE, THE VERSION THAT MR. FETZER WAS DISCUSSING, WHERE THAT PORCH IS BEING PULLED DOWN, IT CREATES A, A BETTER BALANCE AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A FOOT HIGHER OR THAT THAN, OR, OR SIX INCHES HIGHER. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT REALLY MATTERS. UH, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A HOUSE WHOSE INTERIOR IS SPEAKING OF SCALE AND, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIND SOME HISTORIC HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILT IN 1920S AND THEIR CEILINGS ARE 16 FEET HIGH. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT MAKING THIS LOOK LIKE ONE OF THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. SO IT, IT IS, UH, I MEAN, I I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER GRU, I, I ONLY SAY THAT IT, IT IS WELL DESIGNED. IT IS, UH, IT'S INTENTIONAL. IT'S NOT SOME ACCIDENT, WHICH I THINK LOANS ITSELF TO, YOU KNOW, A, A APPRECIATING A NEW STATEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CLEARLY IS DERIVING ITS VOCABULARY FROM THE KIT OF PARTS THAT EXISTS IN THE SURROUND. HOW THOSE KIT, HOW THOSE PARTS ARE EMPLOYED, , UM, I THINK RESULT IN, IN THE SAME PRODUCT. UH, MY MOTION, I THINK, I THINK I, I, I'M CONFIDENT WITH THE MOTION AS IT STANDS, UM, EVEN WITH THE ASPECT [01:05:01] OF ITEM TWO, BECAUSE EDWARD, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE, UM, VERSION THAT THAT'S PRESENTED, IT ADDRESSES THAT TO A LARGE EXTENT. UM, SO IT WOULD JUST BE ACCOMMODATING ON, ON NUMBER ONE FOR THE TREE, WHICH I WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO. THE AIST IN THE CITY OR THE O H P HELP THE APPLICANT TO BE A RECOMMENDED DISTANCE FROM THE, FROM THE TREE, UH, UH, FOR RESPECT TO THE ROOTS. AND THAT SIX HOLDS IT TO THAT ONE IMAGE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US AS THE APPROVED FACADE FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, SOUTH. SO, SO THE MOTION AS FOR ONE AND SIX FOR THE PROPOSED ALTERNATE EVIDENCE. THAT'S MY MOTION. SO THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND. MAY I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION PLEASE? CHAIRMAN FETZER. I'LL MAKE AN ATTEMPT NOW, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. UM, SO I MOVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE IN RECOGNITION OF THE LOCATION OF THE TREE, HAVING THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE OF, OF A MINIMUM RECOMMENDED OFFSET FROM THE TREE TO PRESERVE ITS ROOT STRUCTURE AND STIPULATION 3, 4, 5, AND SIX WITH SIX, UH, ACCEPTING THE, UH, NESTED GABLE SCHEME THAT WAS PRESENTED. THE, THE, THE TWO, THE GABLE, THE STEP DOWN GABLE SCHEME AS THE PROPOSED SCHEME FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION. SORRY, I HACKED THAT ONE UP. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, JUST I, IF I COULD OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, APPROVAL HERE TODAY, CONCEPTUAL, GIVEN THAT THERE'S KIND OF A NUMBER OF LOOSE ENDS RATHER THAN THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UH, I I THOUGHT IT WAS CONCEPTUAL. LEMME GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. OH, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. UM, I, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION. I THINK GIVEN THE ISSUES THAT STILL NEED TO BE RESOLVED, I WOULD, UH, LET ME RE REVISE MY MOTION TO BE FOR, UM, APPROVAL FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH THE MODIFICATION OF STAFF. RECOMMENDATION ONE FOR RECOGNIZE AN OFFSET MINIMUM OFFSET TO PRESERVE ITS ROOT STRUCTURE. RECOMMENDATION 3, 4, 5, AND SIX WITH SIX, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE STEP DOWN NESTED GABLE IS THE PROPOSED SCHEME FOR THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN BEING APPROVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. I WANNA UNDERSTAND. SO CONCEPTUAL, SO STAFF HAS TO COME BACK ADDRESSING ITEM THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE? YOU'LL GET A UPDATED PACKET FOR FINAL APPROVAL THAT INCORPORATES ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED IN MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. OLA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ER, AYE. LI NAYYY. MOTION CARRIES. UM, THANK YOU. I WILL NOTE THANK EDWARD IS GOING TO GET ON THE LINE WITH THE NEXT APPLICANT. I WILL NOTE THAT ITEM 18 3 20 NORTH HACKBERRY HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND SO NO ACTION IS REQUIRED FOR THAT ITEM. UM, WE DID RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, WE'LL RESERVE THOSE SINCE THE ITEM'S NOT BEING [01:10:01] HEARD TODAY. UM, AND THEN AS SOON AS [20-4121 Address/Description: 911 N PINE, 913 N PINE, 915 N PINE, 917 N PINE HDRC Case No.: 2019-699 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Ricardo Turrubiates/Terramark Request: Construction of a mixed-use development with multiple structures City Council Dist.: 2] EDWARD'S READY WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 19, WE'LL PROCEED. AND THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, UH, ON ITEM 19. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS RECUSING. YES. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. AND, UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS ALREADY TURNED OFF HIS, HIS CAMERA SO RECUSED. OKAY, LET'S UNMUTE EDWARD. LET'S IF HE'S READY. OKAY, EDWARD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 99 9 11 9 13 9 15 9. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO, TWO STORY MIXED USE STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS. ADDRESS IS 9 11 9 13 9 15 AND NINE 17 NORTH PINE. UH, RICARDO, COULD YOU MUTE YOUR COMPUTER IN THE BACKGROUND, PLEASE? I PROBABLY DID. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, RICARDO. IT IS, IT IS MUTED, I BELIEVE. OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO, TWO-STORY MIXED USE STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS ADDRESS AS 9 11 9 13 9 15 AND NINE 17 NORTH PINE. THE LOTS DO NOT FRONT A PUBLIC STREET, BUT FRONT A PRIVATE DRIVE THAT FEATURES ACCESS TO NORTH PINE TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION LOCATED AT 9 0 9. NORTH PINE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS, A THROUGH S STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. MANY OF THESE ITEMS ARE STIPULATIONS OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES TRADITIONAL ENTRANCE ELEMENTS INTO. THE DESIGN OF EACH UNIT IS NOTED IN FINDING H TWO THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES IN REGARDS TO AN APPROPRIATE FOUNDATION. HEIGHT IS NOTED IN FINDING J THREE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED ROOF FORMS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING K OR THAT THE APPLICANT IMPLEMENT WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING L FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING M SIX THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING M SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE SEPARATED AT LOT LINES IS NOTED IN FINDINGS P AND Q AND EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIED THE LOCATION OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'RE ALSO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE NOTES WITHIN THE EXHIBIT. HOW DO, UH, CHARLIE RICARDO, YOU ALL CAN JUMP INTO YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION? VERY GOOD. UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, APPRECIATE THE TIME AND OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY AND WE APPRECIATE, UH, ALL THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO, UH, TO THE EFFORTS OF, OF TRYING TO PRESERVE QUALITY WITHIN, UH, THE HISTORICAL DISTRICTS. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO, UH, IF WE CAN ED POSSIBLY READ THE, UH, WE GOT A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S BEEN SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS OUT IN THE PRESS AND STUFF ABOUT US NOT MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SENDING THE INFORMATION TO THEM. SO I'D LIKE YOU TO READ THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT IF YOU'VE GOT THAT AVAILABLE TO ED TO DO THAT. CORY, DO YOU WANNA READ THAT NOW OR DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT UNTIL WE READ ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS? SO WE DO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT'S IN THE PACKETS THAT WAS NOT SUBMITTED IN THE FORMAT TO BE READ. SO IT'S INDICATED HERE, YOU DO HAVE IT TO REFERENCE, UM, DURING THOSE ITEMS DISCUSSION. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE ONES THAT READ. OKAY. THE APPLICANT CAN, CAN'T CONTINUE. CHARLIE, ARE YOU STILL THERE? SO YOU'LL BE READING YES. SO YOU'LL BE READING THE LETTER LETTER THAT THE PLAN WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN A FORMAT THAT WAS, IS NOT THE FORMAT FOR ITEMS [01:15:01] TO BE READ. UM, A COPY OF THE LETTER HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO COMMISSIONERS. THEY HAVE IT IN A FOLDER SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO REFERENCE IT, BUT IT WAS NOT SUBMITTED IN THE FORM TO BE READ. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO DID A, UH, COMMISSIONER DO HAVE THAT LETTER? THEY DO. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. UH, EVERYONE, UH, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT I GUESS FOR THE LAST, UH, SIX MONTHS OR SO THAT WENT THROUGH A VERY LONG AND, UH, DETAILED AND VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY, UH, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN PROCESS. UH, HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THE D R C AS WELL AS MEETINGS ON THE PROPERTY WITH BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS AND MEMBERS OF THE D R C, UH, TO BASICALLY SO WE COULD SEE AS, AS CLEARLY AS POSSIBLE HOW THIS PROJECT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT THAT WE HAVE FITS, WE BELIEVE FITS WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO, UH, UH, COORDINATE OR, OR RESPECTS THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS OUR OFFICES THAT WE, UH, REDEVELOPED AND, UH, UH, AND DID, WE TOOK THOSE. UH, SO WE TOOK A LOT OF COMMENTS OVER THE MANY, MANY MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, TO GET THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. UH, AND THE PLANS THAT YOU, WE HAVE PRESENTED BACK TO YOU, UH, ARE IN FACT, YOU KNOW, VERBATIM, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN EXCEPTION OF VERY MINOR, MINOR THINGS THAT MAYBE WE'VE DONE. WE TOOK ALL THOSE COMMENTS, UH, AND THE APPROVAL THAT WE GOT FROM, UH, ON THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND DEVELOPED THESE, THESE, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLANS IN ORDER TO, UH, UH, TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT A PROJECT. SO, UM, SO I, I, A LOT OF THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF ARE THINGS THAT WE DID ADDRESS THROUGH THE H D R C OR THROUGH THE D R C AND THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL PROCESS AND, UH, WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WELCOME TO LISTEN TO ANY COMMENTS, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, OR THAT YOU THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE AND WANNA ADDRESS, ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME, UH, FOR US, AND, UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. IF, IF THERE'S SOME, SOME AREAS OF CONCERN THAT WE NEED TO, TO TALK ABOUT. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, UM, LOOKING AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, WOULD YOU COMMENT ON EACH OF THOSE, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THEM OR WHAT YOUR, UH, COMMENTS ARE REGARDING THEM? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THE, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE ON HERE, OR MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE REMAINED HERE SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING AND THE FINDINGS, LIKE ITEM ONE ABOUT INCORPORATING THE ENTRANCE, THIS IS THE SAME ENTRANCE THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND, AND WAS ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME AND WAS APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY BY THE COMMISSION. AND SO WE ARE, THE PLANS THAT YOU SEE TODAY ARE, ARE THOSE EXACT, THE EXACT SAME INFERENCE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, UH, GOT APPROVED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. DOES THAT CLARIFY HOW THE CONCEPTUAL WAS APPROVED WITH STIPULATIONS? AND THEY'RE SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TODAY? YES. SO, UH, IN NOTED IN FINDING B UH, FINDING B NOTES, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WHEN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WAS ISSUED BY THE COMMISSION AND WHAT THE STIPULATIONS WERE, UH, SO THE STIPULATIONS NOTED A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IF, UH, IF THEY WERE ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT WOULD'VE CHANGED TO THE DESIGN, UH, QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. I CAN READ THROUGH THOSE STIPULATIONS IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE, OR WE CAN JUST DISPLAY THOSE ON THE SCREEN. DID YOU ASK, DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, NED? WELL, TO ME, I WAS ASKING STAFF TO CLARIFY THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT, THIS IS PROBABLY A MISUNDERSTANDING RIGHT HERE. I MEAN, AND I THINK YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS MANY TIMES BEFORE, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL STILL HAS STIPULATIONS AND THESE ARE THE STIPULATIONS. UM, SO DO YOU WANNA MAYBE GO THROUGH THESE IF THEY, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE PROVED CONCEPTUALLY, WE'RE STILL REQUIRING SOME CHANGES TO THE DESIGN. OKAY. THE, LET ME SEE, WE GET THROUGH THESE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD ADDRESSED THESE STIPULATIONS AND THESE PLANS, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, MANY OF THESE WERE THE SAME COMMENTS THAT WERE ON IT BEFORE OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THE, AND, AND THE APPROVAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, I THOUGHT ADDRESSED IF NOT ALL THESE COMMENTS, IF NOT ALL OF THEM. SO, OR MOST OF THEM. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT IS STILL ON HERE, [01:20:01] LIKE THE INFERENCE AND ALL. WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WASN'T APPROVED WITH OUR PLANS FOR CONCEPTUAL? WELL CONCEPTUAL STIPULATION WAS THE APPLICANT WOULD CONTINUE TO DEVELOP ENTRANCES THAT FEATURE, THAT FEATURE ELEMENTS THAT REFERENCE THOSE FOUND TRADITIONALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. OKAY. AND IN CONTEXT TO THE FACT THAT THESE DO NOT FRONT THE STREET, WE'VE HAD THIS CON CONVERSATION, THIS IS A, THE CONTEXT OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT ON A STREET, NOT IN STREET VIEW OR ANY ON, YOU KNOW, IN DIRECT STREET VIEW. CERTAINLY YOU CAN SEE BEHIND A HOUSE OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN UH, TWO STRUCTURES, UH, IF YOU LOOK REALLY HARD. BUT THIS IS IN CONTEXT TO THE ELEMENTS AND THE, AND THE ENTRANCE THAT EXIST IN THE OFFICE BUILDING, UH, THE COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTY ACROSS, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE COMMON DRIVE. AND ALL THESE WERE, WERE DISCUSSED IN THE D R C AND, AND EVERYBODY AGREED THAT IF WE TRIED TO AS BEST WE COULD BRING THOSE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND INFERENCES AND EVEN THE FEATURES OF THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, THAT, THAT WORK WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT OF THE, UH, BUILDING ACROSS THE, THE, UH, COMMON DRIVE, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WE DID. UH, THERE WERE CERTAINLY COMMENTS ABOUT THE REQUEST OF DOING RESIDENTIAL SIDING AND THINGS THAT RESPECTED THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS IN THE BACK OF, OF THE PROPERTY. UH, WE DID ALL THAT JUST AS THEY REQUESTED. SO WE DID BOARD AND BATTEN, UH, SIMILAR FEATURES THAT, UH, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ASKED US TO DO SOME UNDULATION IN THE BACK, UH, ELEVATION JUST TO GIVE SOME MORE INTEREST, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S IN A BACKYARD OF, OF EVERYTHING. BUT WE DID THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WITHIN STREET VIEW, WE DID THOSE COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD, UH, AND REQUESTED TO DO THAT. AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE ON THESE PLANS AS WELL. UM, THE ROOF FORMS ARE THE SAME ROOF FORMS THAT, UH, YOU FIND IN SAME PITCHES AND THINGS THAT, UH, THAT ARE IN, ON SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE BACK OF OTHER ADJACENT BACK PROPERTIES. UM, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT STREET PRINTING, YOU KNOW, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, THEY'RE CERTAINLY IN THE BACK OF, OF, OF PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES. UM, SO, UH, SO I THINK WE, THE FORMS ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL HAD LOOKED VERY DILIGENTLY TO COME UP WITH. THOSE FORMS WERE REALLY DETAILED IN THE, UH, UH, IN THE, UH, SEXUAL APPROVAL, UH, THE HEIGHTS OF THE SLABS AND SO FORTH. UH, WE ADDRESSED ALL THAT SHOWED ELEVATIONS AND HEIGHTS. AND THIS IS A KIND OF A CHALLENGING, UH, SITE BECAUSE OF THE GRADES THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE ACTUALLY STEPPED DOWN THE SLABS SO THAT WE COULD MINIMIZE THE EXPOSURE OF, OF SLABS AND SO FORTH. BUT WE HAVE MINIMUM HEIGHTS THAT HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED BY, BY UT C IN TERMS OF ELEVATIONS ABOVE NATURAL GROUND AND IN, IN THE BUILDINGS. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE JUST ARE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE SITE AND THE SLOPE OF THE SITE, WE DID, UH, AS, AS BEST AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, UH, THE ULTIMATE HEIGHTS OF THE ELEVATION TO THE ADJACENT, UH, HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH SITS ON 9 0 9, WHICH YOU SEE IN THAT PICTURE WERE, WELL, WERE SEVERAL FEET, OR AT LEAST A COUPLE FEET BELOW THESE HEIGHTS, IS, IS A COUPLE FEET BELOW THAT PARTICULAR, UH, STRUCTURE OF THAT HOME. UH, SO I THINK WE, WE ADDRESSED THAT COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEIGHTS AND, AND, UH, AND, AND SLABS. AND WE ACTUALLY, THROUGH THE FINAL DESIGN, I BELIEVE WE STEPPED DOWN THE ELEMENTS, UH, WHERE THE DUPLEX SLIPS. WE ACTUALLY DROPPED THAT THE, I'D CALL IT THE, THE DOWNSIDE, UH, PART OF THAT DUPLEX. I THINK WE STEPPED IT SIX INCHES JUST SO WE COULD HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A VARIATION BETWEEN ONE END OF THE, UH, THE SLAB AND THE OTHER, UH, TO KEEP THE, THE, THE, THE ELEMENTS SLOWER, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, BEING UP THE EXTRA, YOU KNOW, SIX INCHES JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADES OF THE, OF THE, OF THE SITE. UH, SO I THINK WE, WE DID THAT. AND, UH, UM, AND THEN ALSO SOMEBODY MADE SOME COMMENTS, I THINK IN A D R C MEETING ABOUT THE, THE PIPE ELEMENTS, WHICH WERE THE FEATURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND, AND JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PIPES BY SPACING 'EM OUT. FOOTER, SOMEBODY THOUGHT THEY WERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT TOO OVERPOWERING, BUT OUR BUILDING, THE SPACING WAS ABOUT SIX INCH IS EXACTLY SIX INCHES APART, AND WE WENT TO ABOUT 10 INCHES APART. SO WE KIND OF ADDRESSED THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE SCALE OF, OF THIS PROJECT COMPARED TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE BUILDING, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING ACROSS THE, THE, UH, COMMON DRIVE. UH, SO WE, WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD COMMENT THAT WAS MADE, UH, BY SOMEBODY IN A D R C MEETING. UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO OVERPOWERING, UH, IN TERMS OF, IT'S THE SAME ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OF MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MINIMIZED, UH, BY, BY [01:25:01] SPREADING THE, THE PIPES OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. UM, AND THEN THE WINDOWS IS THE SAME SUBJECT THAT'S ALWAYS BROUGHT UP. THE WINDOWS WE'RE PROPOSING IN THIS PROJECT ARE THE EXACT SAME WINDOWS THAT, THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO PUT ON THE, THE 9 0 1 BUILDING, OR THE 9 0 9 BUILDING ADJACENT TO US. UH, SAME DETAILS AS FAR AS RECESSING, ALL THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THESE HOMES ARE ONLY ABOUT, UH, 1100, 1200 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEY'RE SMALL. AND WE DID THAT INTENTIONALLY SO THEY COULD BE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR, FOR YOUNGER, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES AND, AND, AND PEOPLE TO BUY. WE DID THAT INTENTIONALLY. AND AGAIN, THE COST AS THE, AS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AS I LISTED, LISTENED TO SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, UH, COMMENTS, UH, THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, DISCUSSIONS YOU HAD EARLIER ABOUT WINDOWS. UH, HE HAD TO VERY GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. UH, AND HERE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DO GOOD QUALITY CONSTRUCTION THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE. THEY'RE GOOD QUALITY WINDOWS, AND IN FACT, THERE ARE THE WINDOWS THAT GOT APPROVED, UH, ON, ON THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO WHAT WE'RE BUILDING. UH, SO THAT'S THE WINDOWS THAT WE'D LIKE TO, WITH THE SAME DETAIL AS FAR AS RECESSING AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. AND WALL CREW, WE DID A MOCKUP, UH, TO SHOW EVERYBODY HOW THAT WORKED AND SHOWED THAT TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY CAME OUT HERE. SO WE WENT TO GREAT EFFORT TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS. 'CAUSE THAT'S A, A VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT 'CAUSE THEY, SOME OF THESE WINDOWS ARE TWICE AS EXPENSIVE AS, AS THE OTHERS, AND, AND CREATES A, UH, A BURDEN ON THE COST, UH, OF BUILDING, UH, THESE, UH, WHAT HOPEFULLY ARE MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES THAT WE NEED IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO, TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN A, IN A VERY GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS. SO, UH, SO WE DID WORK ON, ON THOSE, UH, WINDOW SHAPES. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY FLEXIBLE. THE WINDOWS WE HAD, I THINK THE WINDOW IN THE FRONT, UH, THAT FACES OUR, OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDING. WE HAD ONE THAT IS NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL FORM OF, OF A VERTICAL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, RECTANGULAR WINDOW. WE DID A HORIZONTAL ONE BECAUSE IT'S IN A, UH, IN AN AREA WHERE, UH, UH, WHERE THAT WAS NECESSARY. I THINK IT'S IN, IT'S A POWDER ROOM, UH, HALF BATH THAT'S ON THAT FLOOR AGAIN ACROSS THE STREET. UH, WE HAD SOME TYPES OF, OF, OF WINDOWS THAT WERE MORE COMMERCIAL AND, AND, UH, SO AGAIN, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT TO MAKE A, A, A TALLER WINDOW THERE AND, AND CONVERT THAT FROM A, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM A MORE OF A COMMERCIAL STYLE OF A WINDOW. AND IF THAT WAS IMPORTANT, WE COULD STIPULATE TO THAT, COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO MAYBE JUST HAVE A BLOCK OUT THE WINDOW ON THE BOTTOM OR SOMETHING, OR SOMEBODY CAN'T SEE THE BATHROOM, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF DEAL. THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS WE CAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THAT WAS IMPORTANT. UM, AND JEFF ADDRESSED. SO IF THERE'S SOME MORE QUESTIONS, I THINK WE'VE, I THINK THE PLAN WE'VE DEVELOPED IS ONE THAT'S READY TO, WE'D LIKE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON AS SOON AS WE CAN GET SOME APPROVALS, STAFF COMMENTS. YES. UM, I CAN READ THOSE NOW. UM, THE FIRST IS FROM MONICA SAVINO 1220 EAST CROCKETT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS. UM, WE SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT APPROVE AFTER SO MANY DESIGN VERSIONS. WE ARE, WE TOO ARE FRUSTRATED THAT PROBLEMATIC KEY ELEMENTS REMAIN INTACT. STAFF H D R C D R C AND NEIGHBORS HAVE ALL COMMENTED ON THE INAPPROPRIATE MASSING HEIGHTS DETAILS SUCH AS WINDOW OPENINGS AND MATERIALS SETBACKS, BUILDING ENTRANCES, INCLUDING PORCHES, FRONT FORMS AND DE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. BUT WHILE THE DESIGN WRAPPING CHANGES, THE FUNDAMENTALS DO NOT. UM, A DECEMBER 21ST, 2015 EMAIL FROM THE APPLICANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE THE PROJECT WAS IN SCHEMATICS SAID THEY WOULD BE SWAPPING OUT THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL FROM THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WITH FOUR FOUR SALE LIFT WORK UNITS. THAT WOULD BE A SELLING POINT FOR THE WORK FROM HOME BUYER. A TAKEAWAY, THE TAKEAWAY IS THAT THESE SHOULD BE REVIEWED AS RESIDENTIAL UNITS. WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION AND FOR ALL PROJECTS, O PS NEEDS TO CONSIDER REMEDY FOR PROJECTS THAT DO NOT MEET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL STIPULATIONS, BUT CONTINUE TO RETURN TO HRC REPEATEDLY. UM, AND JUST ONE MORE FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THEY CONCUR WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR NINE 11 TO NINE 17 NORTH PINE STREET. PROPOSED DESIGN OF THE FOUR UNITS ARE NOT AESTHETICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SPECIFICALLY THE STEEL PIPING ROOF ADMINISTRATION PATTERNS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS. AND AGAIN, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL LETTER IN YOUR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I WAS AT THE LAST D R C. UM, I, I THINK THAT SOME OF THE CONVERSATION HAS NOT BEEN COMMUNICATED RIGHT. MAYBE, UM, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST MEETING, NOT THE FIRST PROJECT FROM THE APPLICANT. MY BIGGEST, UH, [01:30:01] CONCERN WITH THIS PROJECT IS, I SAID IT FROM THE BEGINNING, WHEN THE APPLICANT SAYS THAT THEY'RE TAKING ELEMENT HOUSE, I FEEL LIKE NOW IT HAS BECOME KIND OF, AGAIN, WE'RE STUCK BETWEEN HALF OF IT'S COMMERCIAL. SOMEBODY'S NOISE. IS THAT ME? I THINK WE'RE OKAY. OKAY. SO HALF OF THE PROJECT IS, UH, TAKEN ELEMENTS FROM THE OFFICE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, AND HALF OF THE ELEMENTS ARE TAKEN, UH, HALF OF THE DESIGNER'S ELEMENTS FROM THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORING STREET. SO AGAIN, WE ARE IN BETWEEN IS THIS A COMMERCIAL PROJECT OR IS IT A RESIDENTIAL? I UNDERSTAND FROM THE APPLICANT THAT IT'S MORE COMMERCIAL, BUT THEN I STILL FEEL LIKE THE, MY MAIN STIPULATION AND THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THIS PROJECT STILL DOES NOT ADDRESS WHAT'S FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHICH WE ALWAYS ASK FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST ISSUE, AND I JUST DON'T, THE APPLICANT IS, IS, HAS ADDRESSED THAT. COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS COURT AGAIN. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UM, WE DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, UM, SPEAKER THAT REQUESTS TO BE CALLED IN. UM, SO WE HAVE THEM ON THE LINE NOW. UM, LET'S UNMUTE. WE, UM, SO NICHOLAS SPIKER, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. WE CAN HEAR YOU. IF YOU WANNA LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS, IT'S TWO MINUTES. SURE. SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THESE WON'T BE AFFORDABLE. THEY'RE TO MAKE PROFIT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HASN'T MET IN MANY MONTHS. THE LETTER BEING REFERRED TO IS LIKELY WRITTEN BY A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL. UM, I'M THE NEIGHBOR AT 9 1 9 NORTH PINE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT. THE PROJECT DIRECTLY IMPACTS ME IN MANY WAYS. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE PAST HEARINGS. I ALSO RECEIVE NEIGHBORS IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ALL IN TWO BLOCKS. SOME THINGS THAT BRING UP IN RELATION TO PAST FINDINGS, ELEMENTS REFERENCING THOSE IN THE DISTRICT. THE HOUSES ARE MUCH TOO TALL, TALLER THAN ANY OTHER HOUSE IN THE VICINITY OTHER THAN TERRAMARK HOMES, WHICH CHARLIE CHOSE TO MENTION. NOT ONLY IS THIS TALLER THAN MY HISTORICAL HOME BUILT IN 1890, BUT THESE ARE TALLER THAN ALL OF MY HISTORICAL, ALL OF MY HISTORICAL CONTRIBUTING BACK STRUCTURES IN EXCESS TO 10 FEET. WHY SHOULD A NEW CONSTRUCTION BE ALLOWED? THE DWARF OVER EXISTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURES? THESE HOMES WILL BE VISIBLE FROM ALL FORMS SURROUNDING STREETS. I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU COULD BUILD A STRUCTURAL DECK OF WOOD WITH ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AND IT'LL BE LESS THAN 10 FEET FROM MY STORAGE STRUCTURES. FOUR FEET, FOUR INCHES MODIFIED BITS OF THE ROOF IS JUST TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. IF THIS IS COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THEM THAT? LOOKING AT THE REAR WALL PLANE, WHICH IS ORDERING THEIR PROPERTY, I'M LOOKING AT HAVING 18 TO 24 FEET LONG, 23 OR MORE FEET BY WALLS, FOUR FEET, FOUR INCHES FROM PROPERTY BLIND, LESS THAN 10 FEET FROM MY HISTORIC STRUCTURES, SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER. WHY IS THIS PROJECT RETURNING TO THE H R D C WHEN IT IN, AT NINE INSTANCES OF STAFF STIPULATION, EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT FOOTPRINT COMPORTS TO THE GUIDELINE, LESS THAN 50% OF THE LIE AREA, THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IN THE PROXIMITY OF BUILDING OF THE PROPERTY LINE, FOUR FEET, FOUR INCHES CAUSES SIGNIFICANT CONCERN ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. THIS IS FOUR FEET, FOUR INCHES FROM A MASSIVE EROSION ISSUE. OUR PROPERTY LINE, THERE IS LITERALLY A DIFFERENCE OF THREE FEET ELEVATION, NINE BEING THE LOWER, SO THE ROOF WILL BE FOUR FEET, FOUR INCHES FROM THIS EROSION POINT THAT ISN'T EXPECTED TO CAUSE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ISSUES. YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING MY PROPERTY, IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO GO THROUGH THIS PARKING LOT, WHICH IT HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, SHOULD REMAIN A PARKING LOT. THERE ARE MANY TERRAMARK HOMES COMING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PARCEL USING THIS CONNECT DRIVEWAY AS A THOROUGHFARE. AND THIS SHOULD BE USED AS OVERFLOW FOR THAT PROJECT AND OVERFLOW FOR THE CURRENT TERRAMARK PARKING, THERE ARE CARS AND TRUCKS FROM CONTRACTORS CONSTANTLY PARKED IN THIS AREA WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE TO BE BUILT. WHY NOT USE IT AS A NICELY GROOMED PARKING LOT, WHICH IT ALREADY IS BEING USED FOR. WHERE ARE THESE CARS GOING TO GO? WHERE DO YOU THINK THE OVERFLOW FROM THE REAR, THE WEST SIDE CONSTRUCTION WILL END UP ON THE STREET ON PINE, ET CETERA? I'M ALL FOR HAVING A, UH, PARKING LOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S COMING IN THE REAR OR, OR THE WEST, EXCUSE ME. UM, AND I, I, I CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, STATE AND MY CONCERNS, IT DOES NOT APPEAR AS IF THEY'RE BEING A ADDRESS THERE. THERE'S CLEAR STIPULATIONS LISTED IN THE GUIDELINES. THE STIPULATIONS ARE CLEARLY NOT BEING MET, UH, YET THE CASE CONTINUE TO RETURN TO H R D C, WHICH I FIND CONFUSING. UM, I'M NEW TO THIS PROCESS, BUT WHY IS IT THAT THAT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN? SHOULD THEY NOT BE MET PRIOR TO ARRIVING AT? IT JUST SEEMS, UH, CONFUSING TO ME, AND I HOPE SOMEONE WILL ADDRESS THAT. ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER THANK THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, JUST GO READING OVER SOME OF THE, THE, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM OPPOSITION AND ALSO AS WELL AS THE, THE ONE THAT SUPPORTS AND LISTENING TO THE VOICEMAIL FROM THE, THE NEIGHBOR OF THE, UM, THE PROPOSED PROPERTY AND LOOKING OVER WHAT, UM, STAFF HAS PROVIDED TO US AS [01:35:01] FAR AS, UM, LOOKING AT THESE STIPULATIONS HERE, UM, OUT OF THESE NINE STIPULATIONS, IT SHOWED THAT FOUR HAVE NOT BEEN MET. AND I WAS, YOU KNOW, TUNED INTO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, UH, IS SAYING WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE DONE, THE, THE WINDOWS WERE APPROVED ON ADJACENT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF NATURE, BUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST KEEP SEEING THIS PROJECT AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MANY CHANGES ARE HAPPENING HERE. SO I, I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON IN, IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS AS IT CONCERNS THIS PROPERTY. BECAUSE THIS ONE COMMENT THAT YOU MADE WAS THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT ON THE STREET, SO THEREFORE IT CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. AND ONE OF MY FIRST, UM, CASES WHEN I CAME ON H C R C WAS, WAS DEALING WITH THIS. AND SO I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY WENT OVER THERE AND DROVE ON THE STREET TO TAKE A LOOK AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE, SO I'M, I'M CURIOUS AS TO YOUR, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING AS, AS SO, SO DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT STAFF IS SAYING, FROM WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING, FROM WHAT WE'RE SAYING. SO PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT. PLEASE, ED. FIRST OF ALL, WE STILL TALKING? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR YOU. GREAT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE NEIGHBOR, UH, THAT SPOKE, UH, WROTE THAT LETTER, UH, ACTUALLY WHEN WE FIRST CAME UP AND, AND PRESENTED THE PROJECT AS THE CONCEPTUAL PROJECT, THE EXACT SAME LETTER OR SAME PRESENTATION HE MADE SIX MONTHS AGO. UH, MANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE ARE JUST TOTALLY AN ERROR. UH, THE, THEY, WE ADDRESS ALL THE ISSUES AND HIS CONCERN ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, WE DID THAT THROUGH THE ROOFS AND THE ROOF DESIGNS AND THE FORMS. WE WENT ALL THIS THROUGH THE D R C PROCESS AND MANY MEETINGS THAT WE, WE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, NOT THE OTHER ASSOCIATION. THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THERE IS A LETTER, I, I PRESUME YOU HAVE THE LETTER IN YOUR PACKAGE THAT CAME FROM THE ACTUAL, THE DIGNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, THE OFFICIAL ONE WHO WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH. AND, AND SO THAT LETTER IS IN THERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS. THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS GOING THROUGH THAT. WE'VE HAD MEETINGS AT THEIR MEETING PLACES AND, AND MET WITH THEM AND WENT THROUGH ALL THIS. AND THEY'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS. THIS IS THE, THE ACTUAL ONE, THE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT'S TALKING, HE'S THE NEIGHBOR AND HE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, HE HAS HIS, HIS SAY. BUT, UH, BUT WE HAVE BEEN MEETING AND DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND I HOPE THAT THAT LETTER IS IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU CAN READ THAT, UH, AS WELL. I KNOW IT CAN'T BE READ OFFICIALLY FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN'T READ IT. UH, BUT ANY EVENT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOTE WAS MADE, BUT ALL THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP, WE RESOLVED ALL THOSE THROUGH THE D R C PROCESS AND HOW WE'RE DRAINING ALL THE WATER NOW TO ARE GOING RIGHT NOW, THE PARKING LOT ALL GOES INTO HIS PROPERTY, JUST THE WAY GOD CREATED THE EARTH. AND, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM ON HIS SIDE, AND I GET THAT. AND WE'RE CHANGING ALL THAT. WE'RE REDIRECTING ALL THIS WATER THAT'S RIGHT NOW GOING INTO HIS PROPERTY. IT NOW DRAINS TO THE COMMON DRIVE, UH, THROUGH VETERAN SYSTEMS AND THE WAY WE FIT ALL THE ROOFS AND EVERYTHING. SO WE ADDRESS ALL THOSE CONCERNS AND, AND WE WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING. IN FACT, WE'LL BE, HE'LL BE BETTER OFF ONCE WE FINISH THIS. AND THE HEIGHT THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THAT LANGUAGE THAT WE MET AND WE LOOKED AT HEIGHTS, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE ADJACENT HEIGHTS. YEAH, HE HAS SOME ONE STORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE ANCILLARY BUILDINGS IN THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS WHERE OUR PROPERTY IS, IS GENERALLY LOCATED. UH, AND YES, THEY'RE ONE STORY, AND YES, THEY, WE ARE HIGHER THAN THAT . OKAY. WHICH YOU'LL HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE A TWO STORY NEXT TO A ONE STORY. THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENED. UH, BUT THESE STRUCTURES, WE'VE INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED THEM TO BE LOWER IN, UH, IN ELEVATIONS, UH, BASED ON THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN THAT WE HAVE. UH, AND, UH, SO I THINK WE ADDRESSED MANY, MANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS. UH, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS AN ASSO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND, UH, AND, AND WE HAVE THEIR FULL SUPPORT. SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT DONE. I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A TRAVESTY THAT WE CAN'T BUILD SOMETHING, UH, THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO, TO OWN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS AGAIN. SO IN REVIEWING THE, THE STATEMENTS OR THE LETTER FROM THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I, I SEE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING CONCERNING YOUR PROJECT, AND, AND OF COURSE, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO, UM, IN LIFE, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE FORWARD, PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED, OPPOSED TO IT. SO, UM, AND LOOKING AT [01:40:01] THE LETTER THAT THEY SAID IN HERE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST BASICALLY SAID THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT WE DO HAVE IT AND WE CAN SEE THE LETTER, BUT, UM, I STILL HAVE MANY, MANY RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT, BECAUSE I I STILL DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD. NO. ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, SIR. ON THE, AS I LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, UH, I'M WONDERING THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME UNDERSTATED LINES ON THE AT, AT THE ROOF LEVELS, AND EVEN ON THE OVERHANGS. UM, A AND YOU KNOW, TO A LARGE EXTENT, IT'S A LITTLE PHILOSOPHICAL, RIGHT? THAT THERE, THERE'S A, A, A, A, UH, Y YOU KNOW, ALWAYS AN EXPECTATION THAT THAT, THAT WHEN A LINE ANGLES THAT, THAT IT ANGLES ENOUGH TO TO, TO BE INTENTIONAL. AND I I I, I'M WONDERING ARE, ARE THE, THE ROOF SLOPES, UM, NOT FLAT BECAUSE FLAT IS NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S HARDER TO, TO, TO GET THROUGH, OR ARE THEY MINIMALLY SLOPED BECAUSE TOO HIGH OF A SLOPE CREATES A HIGHER ELEVATION? IT JUST SEEMS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT IS THE THINKING BE BEHIND THE, THE, I'M GONNA SAY MODEST, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY MINIMALIST, RIGHT? IT'S THE, THE MODEST LINES THAT YOU USE. I THINK THEY, THEY KIND OF, UM, CREATE SOME CONTRADICTIONS. I JUST, THEY'RE JUST, JUST A DESIGN, UH, QUESTION. CAN, CAN YOU ANSWER THE THINKING BEHIND THE ROOF LINES? MINIMAL SLOPES? YEAH. AB ABSOLUTELY. OH, ARE YOU READY FOR ME? NO. YEAH, YEAH. I'M JUST, YEAH. ARE YOU READY FOR MY, MY I AM. YES. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND IT WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. NUMBER ONE, OH, HE'S STILL TALKING? NO, NO, GO AHEAD. OH, OKAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. GOOD QUESTION AND GOOD COMMENT. UH, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE A, A HIGHER PITCH. AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CONSCIENTIOUS TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE, THE OVERALL HEIGHT, WHICH THEY WERE ASKING US TO DO. SO WE, WE PICKED A, ACTUALLY A MORE EXPENSIVE MATERIAL TO DO A, UH, A MINIMAL SLOPE ON IT, UH, TO THE T P O TYPE OF A ROOF, WHICH IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A TRADITIONAL. IF WE PUT THAT AT A, AT A THREE ON 12 OR A FOUR ON 12, IT'D BE ACTUALLY LESS EXPENSIVE. WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. UH, THE EAVE, THE, THE FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS ARE, ARE VERY MUCH AT THE MINIMALS. UH, IN FACT, WHERE WE HAVE THE EAVES ON THE EDGES, UH, OF THE BUILDING, WE ACTUALLY SET THOSE AT SEVEN FEET AND THEN USE THE PITCH. AND WE'RE HAVING, UH, EXPOSED, UH, UH, SLANTED CEILINGS INSIDE THOSE ROOMS IN ORDER TO GIVE IT THE VOLUME. BUT WE, WE ACTUALLY REDUCE THE, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL PLATE HEIGHTS ONLY SEVEN FEET ON THE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO BE ABLE TO KEEP AND MINIMIZE THE HEIGHTS OF THE, THE STRUCTURES. BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THOSE PITCHES UP, UM, MORE THAN HAPPY IF, IF THAT'S A, AS AN IDEA. I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD COMMENT AND A GOOD IDEA, AND WE WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF THAT, YOU KNOW, HELPED, UH, YOU KNOW, HELPED WITH THE, UH, THE, THE FEELING OF EVERYBODY TO, TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, OF A MORE, MORE TRADITIONAL THREE ON 12 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PITCH OR FOUR ON 12 WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WELL, THE REASON I MAKE THE COMMENT IS BECAUSE, WELL, FIRST COMING DOWN PINE, THAT THAT PORTION OF PINE, YOUR, YOUR EXISTING STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, AS, AS ODD AS IT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO PROPOSE TO BUILD WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW, YOU'D HAVE WORSE, YOU'D HAVE A WORSE SITUATION THAN YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. BUT THE, THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS THAT AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT BECOMES, UM, SOMETHING THAT, THAT ADDS VALUE, ADDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS, UH, I, I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU'VE, IT, IT HAS MOVED A LITTLE, IT HAS MOVED IN THE DIRECTION I THINK OF THE COMMENTS OF THE LAST PROPOSAL. IT JUST SEEMS THAT SOMETHING SQUASHED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, OF, OF WHAT IS CLEARLY DESIGNED AND INTENTIONAL DESIGN. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE RESPONDING TO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THOSE COMMENTS DON'T YIELD A BETTER RESULT, PARTICULARLY [01:45:01] WITH RESPECT TO DRAINAGE OF WATER, YET A SEVEN FOOT PLATE LINE THAT I, I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU THAT I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE I CAN SEE SOME ODD PROPORTIONS ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT JUST DON'T QUITE LOOK RIGHT. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMENTS THAT DROVE YOU TO THAT, UH, SOLUTION ARE, I, I WOULD JUST, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO YET ANOTHER DISTANCE, UM, UH, UH, TO, TO BE FREED UP TO DO WHAT IT IS THAT YOU THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO DO FROM THIS STANDPOINT. AS WITH RESPECT TO THE VOCABULARY WHERE THERE'S A, YOU HAVE A BUILDING RIGHT THERE THAT IS REALLY, UH, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THIS WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, BUT I'D LIKE, I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS TOO, AND WHAT THEY THINK. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR HEARING MY COMMENTS. VERY WELCOME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE GOOD COMMENTS. WELL, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WAS AT THE LAST T R C AND, UH, SEVERAL OF 'EM BEFORE, UH, SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE WERE THAT THE, UM, THE NORTH FACADE AND THE, UM, EAST AND WEST FACADES, MAINLY THE EAST FACADE, WHICH MORE DIRECTLY, UH, ADDRESSED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I FELT THAT THEY, UH, STILL DID NOT, UM, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND THAT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT COULD BE DONE THERE. UM, A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT PORCHES. UH, IF THESE ARE, ARE THESE BEING SOLD AS COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE, OR, UM, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO, AND THIS IS GETTING INTO DESIGN, WHICH WE REALLY SHOULDN'T DO, BUT JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE ENTRIES. UH, THE DOOR SWINGS, THE, THE TWO OR THREE STEPS GETTING UP TO THE FRONT DOOR. UM, MY GUESS IS THAT, UH, IF THESE ARE, UH, SOLD AS SOMEWHAT COMMERCIAL THAT THEY GO, GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, UH, TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS, WHICH MEANS NO STEPS AT THE FRONT DOORS AND, AND, UM, THE RIGHT, UH, CLEARANCES AT THE, THE LATCH SIDE OF THE DOOR, AND WHICH IS GOING TO AFFECT, UH, WHAT WE SEE HERE ON YOUR PLANS IN TERMS OF A PORCH DESIGN. YEAH. MAY I, UH, LET ME, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, GOOD COMMENTS. UH, YEAH, OUR, OUR REVIEW WITH THE, THE CODES HAVING TO DO WITH THESE ARE, HAVE BEEN ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED AS LIVE WORK IS THE DEFINITION THAT'S IN THE U D C. UH, AND, AND, AND SO THESE ARE LIVE WORK. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HELD AS, UH, COMPLIANT WITH A D A BECAUSE THE PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK THERE AS WELL. UH, AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK THIS PROJECT REALLY BRINGS TO THE FOREFRONT, ESPECIALLY IN TIMES THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH. SO MANY PEOPLE NOW ARE WORKING FROM THE HOME. THEY NEED A PRIVATE PLACE TO GO TO WORK OR BE ABLE TO GO DOWNSTAIRS AND LIVE WHERE THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAY THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE TO CONDUCT THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS THAT THEY WOULD BE CONDUCTING RIGHT NOW OUTTA THEIR HOME. THEY CAN DO IN, IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A HOME LIKE THIS. SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL SEE MORE LIVE WORK KIND OF THINGS ON THE HORIZON COMING UP, BUT THESE ARE LIVE WORK AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SUBJECT TO THE A D A REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING TO, WHICH WE'RE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH. AND THE ENTRANCE, JUST TO, TO COMMENT TO THE ENTRANCE, THIS IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL ENTRY. IT'S NOT A PORCH. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HANG OUT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE THEY DO ON THE STREET. UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO BE, UH, IN CONTEXT TO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UH, ACROSS THE, THE DRIVEWAY. THANK YOU. YOU BET. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION [01:50:17] IF NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS STILL HAVE A MOTION? I, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I MOVE FOR DENIAL. YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS COMMISSIONER GROUP I SECOND MOTION A SECOND FOR DENIAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, WELL, I, I, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A DENIAL, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CLEARLY DEFINE WHAT, UM, IS ACCEPTABLE, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT NEAR, THIS IS FAR FROM A LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF, OF WHAT WOULD BE AN EASY PROJECT, RIGHT? YOU COULD JUST COPY SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET. TH THIS, THIS IS ALREADY SO FAR AWAY FROM THE VOCABULARY THAT INFERS THAT SOMEONE, OR THAT, THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS ALREADY, UM, I WOULD SAY SOME SOMEWHAT GAVE WAY TO THE SOLUTION. AND I, I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE'S A BUILDING THAT IS OWNED BY THIS APPLICANT THAT SPEAKS A VERY UNIQUE VOCABULARY AND THAT THIS PROJECT IS DRAWING ITS VOCABULARY FROM, FROM THAT. I MEAN, AND I MEAN, BECAUSE O O OTHERWISE, AND THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IN ANY WAY TO CRITICIZE THIS DENIAL. I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT. BUT IF YOU TAKE THIS BUILDING, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE OR FROM A PROJECT PERSPECTIVE, YOU TAKE THIS BUILDING, UH, LET'S SAY IT'S BEING, UH, DRIVEN BY THE BUILDING, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, AND YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE HOUSE, RIGHT? TAKE THAT HOUSE, AND SOME OF YOU ARE DESIGNERS, YOU TAKE THAT HOUSE, TAKE THAT BUILDING AND COMBINE THEM, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SOMETHING, OR YOU GIVE WAY TO AN EXISTING VOCABULARY IN THE AREA, AND YOU, AND WE FIND A WAY TO SAY THAT IT HAS IT, THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH SOMETHING AND THAT IT DRAWS ITS END SOLUTION, ITS APPROVABLE SOLUTION FROM WHATEVER THAT'S, THAT, THAT KIT APARTS IS. I DON'T FEEL THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE GIVING ENOUGH DIRECTION TO THIS APPLICANT IN ORDER FOR AN APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH, WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS EXPECTED. THE, THE, THE FINDINGS ARE RELEVANT TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UH, ARCHITECTURE. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, IT'S A LOT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED ON TRAIL WHERE THERE, THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL DENIAL. AND, AND HERE I DON'T SEE THE FUNDAMENTALS OF OF OF THE DENIAL. HIS NAME IS THE CHAIRMAN, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION COMMENTS. THERE WAS, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION IS DISCUSSION. I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT IS OUR OBLIGATION, I FEEL, ANYWAY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHERE THEY WENT WRONG. YOU KNOW, LIKE I LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND I SEE THAT SIDE ELEVATION AND THE WINDOW IS ODDLY CLOSE TO THE PLATE HEIGHT. WELL, THE APPLICANT GAVE A GOOD, A GOOD ANSWER TO WHY THAT WINDOW IS SO CLOSE TO THAT PLATE HEIGHT. IT THROWS THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WHOLE THING OFF. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM PLEASING. AND IN A LOT OF CASES IT ISN'T THE, ALL OF THE RULES AND THE FINDINGS, IT'S DOES IT TOUCH ME? AND IF IT DOESN'T TOUCH YOU, IT'S EASY TO SAY IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT RIGHT, I'M GONNA DENY IT. WHEREAS IF IT WAS GIVEN THE POWER TO TOUCH YOU, YOU KNOW, BY MAKING THOSE LINES MORE INTENTIONAL BY THAT, IT MAY TO YOU IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THAT, THAT, THAT, SO, SO MY POINT IS THAT WHAT'S NOT TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT SEEMS TO BE MORE ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON IT, AND THEN WITH A DENIAL THAT DOESN'T CLEARLY STIPULATE, WELL, DO YOU WANT IT TO BE VICTORIAN OR WHAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY A MODERN STATEMENT AND IT HAS ITS SHORTCOMINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SHORTCOMINGS. I THINK IT'S JUST AN [01:55:01] UN UNKNOWN WHY, YOU KNOW? OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR. UH, BACK TO COMMISSIONER GIBBS. YOU MADE THE MOTION. DO YOU WISH TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, BASED ON MY RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION FOR A DEMO DENIAL, IT'S SIMPLY JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE, UM, WHAT'S LISTED HERE. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT MET WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO MEET. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT ITEM ONE, STIPULATION HAS NOT BEEN MET. ITEM TWO ITEM HAS BEEN MET, BUT IS NOTED. ITEM THREE, IT HASN'T BEEN MET, GOES ON AND ON. UM, ITEM FOUR, UM, THE STIPULATION HAS NOT BEEN MET. ITEM FIVE, STIPULATION HAS NOT BEEN MET. SO, SO BASED ON WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM, FROM OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AS A WHOLE, THAT'S WHY I'M RECOMMENDING DENIAL. OKAY? THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH. NAYYY, TO BE CLEAR, YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. GIBBS. AYE, VELASQUEZ, NAY. CARPENTER. I'M SORRY. OLA. NAY CARPENTER. I THINK WE HAVE LOST HIM. HE HAD A HARD STOP AT FIVE O'CLOCK. UH, CARPENTER IS RECUSED. OH, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, GROUP AYE THATER AYE HON. AYE THAT IS FOUR TO THREE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 20, WHICH IS 9 31 HAYES. UM, THAT IS AGAIN EDWARD'S CASE. EDWARD, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. I THINK EDWARD'S TRYING TO REACH THE APPLICANT. EDWARD. EDWARD, ARE YOU STILL TRYING TO REACH THE APPLICANT? EDWARD, THIS IS EDWARD. UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET THE APPLICANT ON THE PHONE. UM, I RECOMMEND THAT WE JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE AND THEN I'LL TRY TO TOUCH BASE WITH THEM OUTSIDE OF THIS CALL. OKAY. UH, LET'S UNMUTE RACHEL AND SEE WHERE SHE'S AT WITH THE NEXT ONE. ITEM 21. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY, SHE'S PREPARING THE APPLICANT. SHE'S NOT UNMUTED. LAUREN, RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? HELLO? I'M HERE. ALRIGHT, RACHEL. ITEM [20-4168 Address/Description: 801 LABOR ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-292 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Rudy Macias/LOCKE-MACIAS CHRISTINA ANN & RODOLFO MACIAS Request: Front yard fence installation City Council Dist.: 1] NUMBER 21 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 2 92 8 0 1 LABOR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE WITH A FOUR FOOT METAL CATTLE PANEL FENCE TWO, INSTALL A NEW THREE FOOT HIGH METAL CATTLE PANEL FENCE ON THE FRONT [02:00:01] AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE FENCING BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE POSTS AND RAILS ARE WOOD IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED FULLY METAL FENCE. AS NOTED IN FINDING B TWO, THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF AN APPROVED FENCE MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT RUDY, ON THE LINE NOW. HI, THIS IS RUDY MACIAS. UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. UM, YEAH, AS AS MENTIONED, UM, ONE, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS THE HEIGHT, WHICH WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH. SO WE, WE, WE'D LOVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE HEIGHT, UH, ESPECIALLY BEING A CORNER LOT. I KNOW ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS THE CLEARVIEW, UM, RESTRICTION AND, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY MEET THAT. UM, THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION WAS THE, UH, TO USE WOOD INSTEAD OF METAL. UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THAT, UM, WE, WE ALREADY WERE APPROVED FOR THE SIDE, UH, PORTION OF OUR HOME ON, ON THE SADIE STREET. UM, AND, UM, SINCE IT'S BEEN APPROVED AND, AND BEEN REPLACED, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING BUT GREAT COMPLIMENTS AS FAR AS THE COLOR, UM, THE, THE STYLE, UM, DEFINITELY PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU GO, UM, ALL THE IMMEDIATE STREETS AND HERE IN THE LA BACA NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A LOT OF THE HOMES HAVE THE, THE, THE STEEL OR THE METAL FANCY, UM, JUST THE SAME AS WE'RE DOING AS WELL THAT WE, THAT WE'RE, UH, UH, HOPING TO PUT ON THE, ON THE FRONT SIDE OF OUR HOME. UM, SO YEAH, SO WE, WE DEFINITELY WANNA CONTINUE WHAT WAS APPROVED, RIGHT? SO WE WANNA CONTINUE THE STEEL, UH, METAL MATERIAL. UM, ANOTHER THING TOO THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, YOU KNOW, SINCE, SINCE THIS IS A HISTORIC, UH, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SOMETHING THAT CAN LAST, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, USING WOOD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE HOMES THAT I'VE SEEN IN, IN DIFFERENT AREAS, LIKE I'VE SEEN LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, WARPS OVER TIME, THAT KIND OF THING. UM, UH, WITH, WITH THAT, WITH THAT, UM, UH, STYLE. UM, BUT UM, BUT YEAH, SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. WE, WE LOVE THE AREA. WE LIKE THINGS SEE THROUGH. SO, UH, NOTHING THAT PREVENTS ANY VIEW FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE WALKING OR, OR DRIVING ON OUR STREETS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO JUST KIND OF WANT TO CONTINUE THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD USING THE, THE METAL MATERIAL. AND UM, AND NOW WE KNOW THAT THAT IMAGE THERE, YOU SEE, UH, IT'S, IT'S A BLACK, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. UM, WE, WE WENT WITH A GRAY COLOR, WHICH REALLY MATCHES AND REALLY GOES REALLY NICELY WITH, WITH THE HOMES. ALSO, OTHER, OTHER HOMES HAVE USED THAT COLOR AS WELL, LIKE ON LAVACCA AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SADIE, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PART, DIFFERENT IMMEDIATE STREETS IN, IN WHERE WE LIVE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, WHEN WAS THE FENCE ALONG SADIE, UH, APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. I STAFF IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT PREVIOUS APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. WELL, MAYBE I CAN DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD ED. OH YEAH, SO, UM, WE DID SPEAK WITH, UM, HUGH FAM, UM, WHEN, UH, WHICH HE, IT IS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, UH, WHICH SINCE, SINCE HIS BASICALLY APPROVAL WAS THAT THE, UH, SINCE THERE WAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY A, A CHAIN CHAIN FENCE THERE, UM, THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH REPLACING THAT. IT WAS MAINLY, UH, JUST TO GET THE FRONT, THE FRONT YARD APPROVAL, UH, WHICH SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS NO PROBLEM GETTING A FENCE THERE. IT'S MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE HEIGHT, UH, REQUIREMENT AND THEN, UM, IT'S NOW THE, LIKE THE USING THE WOOD, UM, WHICH, YEAH, SO ON THE SIDE FENCE, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS, UH, CHAIN LINK UP TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE FENCE. AND YOUR REQUEST IS TO IN THE SAME MATERIAL AND FORM, UM, AS WAS APPROVED. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS APPROVED EITHER ADMINISTRATIVE BY , UM, UH, MENTION WHY IN JUST A SECOND. UM, SO YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, UM, THAT, THAT THAT MATERIAL WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, TO CON TO BE CONTINUED AROUND, AROUND THE CORNER FOR CONTINUITY'S SAKE. UH, SPEAKING ABOUT LAVACCA IN PARTICULAR, UH, AS IN PARTICULAR THERE ARE SOME, UM, ALL METAL FENCES. WHILE THAT'S REALLY ATYPICAL IN SOME OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, IT'S MORE TYPICAL IN LAVACCA. ARE YOU, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY, UM, ALL METAL FENCES IN YOUR IMMEDIATE AREA? MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA AT THE FENCING MATERIALS [02:05:01] FOR SURE. YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME ON, ON ON OUR STATE ON THAT STREET, EAST SADIE STREET. UM, ALONG THE WAY IF YOU GO DOWN, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL HOMES AND ALSO ON LAVACA STREET, THERE'S A HOME THAT HAS, I DIDN'T GET THE ADDRESS, UM, BUT THERE'S A HOME ON LAVA STREET THAT, UM, HAS LIKE THE SAME COLOR, SAME MATERIAL, UM, SO VERY, VERY SIMILAR. UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S LIKE, DEFINITELY IF YOU GO THROUGH GOOGLE EARTH, I'M SURE YOU'LL, YEAH, I MEAN WALKTHROUGH, WE HAVE A WALKTHROUGH ON THIS SCREEN. WHAT I'M SEEING MOSTLY POP UP ON THIS SCREEN IS, UH, HURRICANE FENCE OR CYCLONE FENCE. UM, THERE'S ONE EXAMPLE THAT, THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE. UM, I MEAN ALL, I GUESS ALL METAL ISN'T THE ISSUE BECAUSE WE REGULARLY APPROVE THE WROUGHT IRON STYLE. IT'S THIS STYLE IN THAT MATERIAL. AND IN SOME CASES, UH, NEARBY, WE'VE ASKED APPLICANTS TO CONSIDER CLADDING THE, THE WOOD, THE METAL IN WOOD BECAUSE THE, THE METAL FOR, UH, DURABILITY. UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, I, I, I, IF STAFF CAN CONFIRM THAT, THAT WE'VE APPROVED THE FENCE ALONG SADIE, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION. UH, YES, THE STAFF LOOKED THROUGH THE APPROVALS ON FILE AND WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPROVAL FOR FENCING. WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPROVAL FOR FENCING. OKAY. CORRECT. WELL, UM, YEAH, THAT'S VERY INTERESTING. YEAH, BUT WE DID SPEAK WITH, UM, HUGH, UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH HIM ON THAT FRONT. SO THAT DOES COMPLICATE IT, THAT THAT FENCE IS ALREADY INSTALLED, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, LIKE REALLY IT WAS JUST, UM, THE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THE, THE APPROVAL FOR THE, FOR THE MATERIAL. OH, I SEE. SO THE PHOTOGRAPH, THE PHOTOGRAPH, THE, THAT, THAT IS IN HERE OF THE FENCE TYPE ISN'T ONE THAT'S ALREADY INSTALLED? OH, NO, THAT, THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WOULD DO. UM, OF COURSE NOT THAT BLACK COLOR, BUT SAME USING THAT STYLE EXAMPLE IS JUST, UH, AN EXAMPLE. WELL, I, I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS, THIS PARTICULAR PARTICULAR TYPE IS PRESENT IN THE AREA. AND I MEAN, IS I, I MEAN ADDING, ADDING IT TO SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T ALREADY EXIST, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HESITATION ABOUT ABOUT, UM, DO ANY OF MY FELLOW C FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE THOUGHTS ON THIS? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOM, SO I AGREE WITH YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER FISH, IF, IF A SIDE FENCE HAS BEEN APPROVED, THEN I AGREE. I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF, UM, GOING WITH WHAT'S EXISTING, YOU CAN SAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THERE, THIS IS A CORNER LOT, WHICH IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WHEN WE APPROVE. SOMETIMES THIS TYPE OF FENCE IS REPLACING A CYCLONE BETWEEN SOME HOMES. IT'S A CORNER LOT. AND WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE CYCL FENCE HAS NOT GONNA APPROVE A CONVERSATION WITH A, WITH A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, DOES NOT GRANT APPROVAL. I MEAN, YOU MUST HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER OR IT HAS TO BE IN THE SYSTEM. SO A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY, UM, WITHOUT ANY DETAILS. I MEAN, IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE COMMISSION OR THE OFFICE. SO IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE OKAY WITH THE FUTURE WE APPROVE THE FRONT, WELL, YOU KNOW, CHANCES ARE THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT ALONG THE SIDE. THAT'S A LOT OF FENCING FOR A CORNER LOT, UM, FOR A FENCE THAT IT'S NOT NORMALLY SOMETHING WE APPROVE. NOW IF WE FIND THAT, YOU SAID YOU FOUND ONE PICTURE OF ONE PROPERTY THAT HAS THAT TYPE OF FENCE, UM, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT, UM, I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE TYPE OF MATERIAL WHICH IS NOT NORMALLY SOMETHING YOU WOULD APPROVE IN SUCH A PROMINENT CORNER IS THIS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE, UH, WILLING TO CONSIDER CLADDING THE CLADDING THE METAL IN A WOOD MATERIAL TO SIMULATE A WOOD FAN? WELL, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY LIKE TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY OF, OF THE STYLE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT, SINCE RIGHT NOW IT IS A CHAIN CHAIN LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S KEEPING IT CONTINUING. AND THEN ALSO LIKE JUST IF, IF YOU LOOK AROUND TO LIKE THE, IT, IT GETS WARPED, LIKE HAVING THAT SAME STYLE SINCE THEY USE THE FLAT, UM, VERSION ON THE TOP OF THE FENCING, UM, YOU SEE LIKE WARP OVER TIME AND, UH, AND AGAIN, JUST WE'RE, WE'RE JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS AS WELL. UM, YEAH. AND THEN, UH, ALSO, UM, ANOTHER REASON TO, UH, I MEAN I KNOW LIKE THE, THE QUESTION HERE IS NOT THE, UM, THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH HAVING A FENCE. IT'S UM, THAT LABOR STREET IS A VERY BUSY STREET AS WELL. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A FENCE IN THERE AS WELL. [02:10:06] THIS IS COMMISSIONER LA. UH, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT THIS, THIS ITEM BE TABLED UNTIL THE STATUS OF THE FENCE ALONG SADIE CAN BE CONFIRMED. I WILL SECOND THAT. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, CONTINUE THIS, UM, UM, ITEM. THIS IS COREY. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I, I THOUGHT WE HAD CONFIRMED THAT IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF AND THE WORK HAS NOT BEEN EXECUTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO THAT IS THE STATUS. OKAY. THE, SORRY, THE WHAT? WE, WE WERE BY, BY Q WE WERE APPROVED THE, THE SIDE FENCE. WHAT WE HAVE NOT, UH, WORKED ON IS THE FRONT OF THE YARD, WHICH IS THE, I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING, WE FAM IS ON THIS CALL AND OH, HE IS TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS NO C O A ISSUED AND I'M LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM AND A C O A HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED. YOU MAY HAVE HAD A VERBAL CONVERSATION ABOUT PROCESS AND MAY HAVE TAKEN IT TO MEAN YOU WERE APPROVED, BUT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN. AND IT'S GOOD THAT THE WORK HASN'T STARTED YET. UH, INTERESTING. OKAY. UM, OKAY, LET'S, SIR, DID YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER? DID YOU GO IN, DID YOU FILL OUT A APPLICATION FOR WHEN YOU TALKED TO MR? YEAH, WELL, MY, UH, OUR, OUR, THE, THE PERSON DOING THE, THE WORK IS ANGEL LUNA. HE, HE DID HAVE THAT PHONE CALL AND, AND CONVER AND COMMUNICATION. SO I CAN DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH HIM ON, ON THAT FRONT. UM, BUT I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE SIDE, UH, OF THE SADIE STREET SIDE WAS APPROVED. UM, AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE FRONT YARD. IF, IF THE MOTION STANDS TO POSTPONE, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, SINCE THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE HAVE. WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. I GUESS WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT. I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. AYE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. AREOLA AYE GROUP. AYE. FETZER AYE. AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE WILL, WE WILL RESET THIS CASE WITH MORE INFORMATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA GO BACK. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 20 ON THE LINE. UM, SO LET'S UNMUTE. EDWARD. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? EDWARD? I, I DON'T HEAR HIM. EDWARD, ONE SECOND. THIS IS EDWARD. I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT IF WE'RE READY. RIGHT? WE'RE READY. RIGHT. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 8 9 31 HAYES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL WOOD WINDOW SCREENS TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION LOCATED AT 9 31 HAYES. THE PROPOSED WOOD WINDOWS SCREENS ARE A SOLUTION TO THE DENIED VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY INSTALLED. THE VINYL WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WERE DENIED AT THE FEBRUARY 5TH, 2020 H D R C. HEARING STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH C. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE THAT WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED, ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS, RATHER THAN INSTALL A WOOD WINDOWS SCREEN TO COVER THE PREVIOUSLY DENIED FINAL WINDOWS. UM, ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE THE APPLICANT, ADAM SANCHEZ ON THE LINE. UH, ADAM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD. SO, UM, AS WE WERE JUST BASICALLY DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT AGO, WE, WE WILL A ADMIT TO NOT FOLLOWING UP ON A CONVERSATION. UM, WE WERE NOT COMPLETELY IN SYNC WITH OUR ARCHITECT WHO DREW THE PLANS, MR. GEORGE KLEIN, WHO SUBMITTED THE LINCOLN WOOD WINDOWS [02:15:01] ON THIS PROJECT. UM, WE DID RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM GOING FORWARD. WE MET WITH OUR CLIENT AND THEN WE QUICKLY TRIED TO FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT SOLUTION WITH EITHER A ALUMINUM OR A VINYL WINDOW. AND BEFORE WE GOT TOO FAR INTO THE PROCESS, WE DID REACH OUT AND TRIED TO JUST GET SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO BE, UH, APPROVED. UM, WE CAME AWAY FROM A, A CONVERSATION UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF WE SUBMITTED THE PROPER DOCUMENTS, UM, AND DRAWINGS FOR THE ALTERNATE VINYL WINDOW THAT ULTIMATELY GOT INSTALLED, THAT WE WOULD GET AN APPROVAL. HOWEVER, OUR FAULT, WE NEVER DID THAT. AND IT, WE GOT BUSY. AND WHEN WE FINALLY WENT TO AN, UH, AN INSPECTION IS WHEN WE WERE DENIED. AND THEN NOW WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GO BACK IN TIME, IF YOU WILL, TO FIGURE THIS OUT. MEANWHILE, THE OWNERS ARE LIVING IN THE HOME. THEY DON'T WANT US TO TOUCH THE HOUSE. WE HAVE TRIED TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION WHERE WE ADDED A WOOD SCREEN THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THE HOME NEXT DOOR. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN VIEWED ONCE IN PERSON. UM, AND THEN I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, SOME, UH, COMMENTS BACK THAT IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT APPROVED. AND BASICALLY TELLING US YOU NEED TO PULL 'EM OUT AND, UH, PUT WOOD GLAD WINDOWS IN THERE AND, AND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ALTERNATIVES WE HAVE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A DESTRUCTIVE PROCESS TO THE NEW HOME THAT OUR CLIENTS ARE LIVING IN, NUMBER ONE, AND THEY REALLY DON'T WANT US TO DO THAT. AND NUMBER TWO, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD GO BACK AND GO THROUGH A FORMALIZED PROCESS WHERE WE SHOW YOU EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THE ARCHITECTURAL APPROPRIATENESS THAT WAS REQUIRED? UM, AND, AND IS, IS, IS SHOWN IN OTHER PROJECTS IN AND AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE ALUMINUM AND VINYL WINDOWS. UM, AND IN SOME CASES, UM, LESS QUALITY OR, OR, OR WORSE QUALITY, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, UH, THAN, THAN WHAT WE PUT IN THIS HOME. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES. AND, AND AGAIN, I, I REALIZE THIS SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS, BUT THAT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION HERE. UM, WE, WE JUST, WE DROPPED THE BALL WITH SUBMITTING THE PAPERWORK, UM, WAY BACK WHEN, AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UH, DO WE HAVE A CITIZEN COMMENTS? UM, YES, VERY BRIEFLY. UM, FROM MONICA CINO, UM, ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS, 1120 EAST CROCKETT, WE SUPPORT O H P RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUPPORT THE H'S FEBRUARY 5TH DECISION. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. I JUST A, A FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT AND IT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT SITUATION. I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR, IT'S MORE THAN MATERIAL. IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THE PROFILE DOES NOT FIT WHAT WE USUALLY REQUIRE, UM, WHEN INSTALLING WINDOWS. SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOT ABOUT THE PROFILE AND I GUESS THAT'S THE REASON ALSO FOR THAT WINDOW SCREEN. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY PROJECTING WHAT WE USUALLY WOULD FIND IN A HISTORIC HOME. UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO A SOLUTION. YOU SAID THE OWNERS LIVE THERE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO TOUCH THE PROPERTY. SO BASICALLY MAYBE, HAVE YOU, IS IT BETTER OFF GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WITH IT? DENIAL. I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY HERE, BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T, IF YOU, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO DO ANYTHING, UM, I THINK STAFF , THEY ARE LIABLE FOR IT, RIGHT? IF THIS, IS THIS BEEN HOUSE BEEN SOLD, OR IT'S BEING RENTED, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT CLIENT. IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT BUILT FOR SALE, IT WAS BUILT FOR THEM. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I SHARE [02:20:01] SOME OF THE CONCERNS. MY, UH, THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE THINGS WRONG WITH THESE WINDOWS. AND I, AND I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT, THAT THE SCREEN IS A, IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY FORWARD. AND I THINK THIS WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING. UM, THE MATERIAL, UH, IS THE, THE VINYL MATERIAL IS AN ISSUE. THE PHOTO DIVIDED LIGHTS AN ISSUE. UH, THE FACT THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE F AND THEY AREN'T RECESSED AT THE APPROPRIATE DEPTH, AND THAT THESE AREN'T ONE OVER ONE. SO THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM WITH A NUMBER OF THESE WINDOWS IS MULTI MULTIFOLD. AND, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CERTAIN YOU'LL FIND SUPPORT, UH, ON THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE WINDOWS, UH, OR THE SCREENS. AND I SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GI STAFF. CAN YOU, HOW CAN WE HELP ? UH, WELL, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FOR THIS REQUEST, UH, WHICH WAS THE INSTALLATION OF WINDOWS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, AND AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY THE FIFTH. UM, STAFF ISN'T GONNA FIND IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A SCREEN TO NEGATE OR TO COVER UP, UH, A WINDOW THAT THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH STAFF SPECIFICATIONS. WELL, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF, IF THE SOLUTION IS DENIED, THEN ULTIMATELY THEY WILL, THEY WILL NEED TO COMPLY BY INSTALLING THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WINDOWS. WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE ON THE TIMELINE FOR ACHIEVING THAT. UM, I THINK THE CONCERN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PROBABLY THEY DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A CONSTRUCTION ZONE SINCE THEY'RE LIVING THERE. AND SO IT CAN BE PRETTY INVASIVE TO DO THAT. UM, ANOTHER POTENTIAL REMEDY IS WHAT YOU SAID IS THEY COULD TAKE THE DENIAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, UM, AS AN APPEAL. SO THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A, A STEP FORWARD FOR THEM AS WELL. MR. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UM, I, I, UM, SEE THE, UH, DIFFICULTY IN RESOLVING THIS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY A A MODERN WINDOW GOES IN VERSUS AN OLDER WINDOW. YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THE TRIM OFF, YOU KNOW, AND CHANGE THE WINDOW. UM, BUT, BUT THE, THE, THE CREATIVENESS WITH RESPECT TO THE DIMENSIONS MIGHT, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COMMISSIONER GRU WAS SAYING, UM, MIGHT BE ONE WAY TO DEAL WITH, UM, UH, THAT THE SHADOW LINE AND, AND, AND THE THINNESS THAT THAT IS ACHIEVED HERE IN THIS, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY'RE SHOWING, UH, IS THE OWNER THE, IS THE THE CONTRACTOR THERE? YES. WE'RE HERE. UH, THE, ON THE FRONT YOU HAVE A, UM, A, A A WELL DONE, UH, LOUVER ON THE WINDOWS. HOW DID YOU, IS IS THAT PART OF THE ORIGINAL OR IS THAT THE SECOND S SOLUTION TO DEALING WITH THE WINDOWS? UH, LET, IS THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE CALL? DID YOU MEAN TO PUT THOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEN, OR, OR DID YOU COME AND FIX THAT WHEN YOU DID THE SCREENS? THE, THE LOUVERS ON THE FRONT? UM, I'M GONNA PULL UP A PICTURE SO I CAN, SO I CAN THIS IS LOOK AT EXACTLY THIS, THIS IS STAFF. THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL. OKAY. IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THOSE LOUVERS SIT IN THAT WINDOW BECAUSE I'M WONDERING HOW, WHAT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIDE OF THAT ARE. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT A WINDOW THERE THAT'S, THAT'S A FALSE FRONT. SO THOSE SHUTTERS ARE JUST THE SIDING AT THAT LOCATION, AND THAT WAS, UH, SORT OF COMPROMISED TO NOT HAVING TRADITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS THERE. THE SHUTTERS GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF ATTRITIONAL OPENING, UH, BUT THAT SKINNY WINDOW IS THE ACTUAL WINDOW. OKAY. WELL, WELL SEE, I, I THINK IN, IN A WAY THAT IF, IF, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, TO DOUBLE UP ON THE, ON THE WINDOW TRIMS AND INSET THE SCREEN INSTEAD OF OUT SETTING THE SCREEN, THERE MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPROMISE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE FACT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT EVEN THE FRONT IS AN ALTERATION TO WHAT WOULD BE A REAL, UM, EXPECTATION, RIGHT? OF A REAL WINDOW. IT'S NOT A REAL WINDOW. THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SOME MOVING OF THE, OF THE, UM, SOME INTERPRETATION OR SOME MOVING OF THE RULES, RIGHT? BUT, BUT TO EXPECT SOMEBODY TO MOVE ALL THEIR WINDOWS OUT ONCE THEY'VE DONE IT, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE APOLOGY OF THE CONTRACTOR, UH, STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE AND OWNING UP TO THAT. AND IT MAKES YOU FEEL FOR A CLIENT THAT DIDN'T, THAT LEFT IT TO THE HANDS OF THEIR CONTRACTOR, WHO OBVIOUSLY IS KIND OF POWERLESS TO GO INTO THESE PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND MAKE RIGHT WHAT, [02:25:01] WHAT HE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE GET GO. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMAGE THAT'S SHOWING RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE SCREEN IS APPLIED TO THE OUTER SIDE OF IT. IT SEEMS THAT MAYBE THE, THE, THE OUTER TRIM NEEDS TO COME OUT AND THE SOLUTION NEEDS TO BEGIN THERE WITH EACH WINDOW. UH, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT STAFF WOULD FEEL ABOUT THE FRONT WINDOWS, BUT I DON'T WANNA OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS. RIGHT. AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT DIMENSIONALITY, THE DIMENSIONALITY COULD BE A SOLUTION DEALING WITH EVERY SINGLE WINDOW AND THE SCREEN, ALLOWING THE WINDOW TO STAY INTACT WITHOUT SUCH A DESTRUCTIVE PROCESS. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER LAO. UH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH. I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THESE WINDOWS THAT ARE, THAT WERE NOT APPROVED AND, AND I'M CAN'T SUPPORT APPROVAL OF LEAVING THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN PLACE. MS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, UM, I ECHO A LOT OF MY, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS CONCERNING THESE WINDOWS, AND I TOO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE, UM, THE OCCUPANTS AS WELL AS THE, UM, BUILDER WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO AND YOU APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE A WAY FORWARD, UM, WITHOUT MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES WITH THE, WHICH THE I OCCUPANTS DON'T SEEM TO BE WILLING TO DO. SO I WOULD AGREE THAT, UM, WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD AS WE STAND NOW, AND I COULDN'T SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS IT STANDS NOW. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, STAFF IN, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, IS THERE A, A, AN INTEREST ACCRUING FIND THAT OCCURS? DOES THE OWNER GET KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, UH, BECAUSE THEIR C OF O OR THEIR, OR THEIR, DOES THEIR POWER GET TURNED OFF? BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT A, A PROJECT THAT GOT ITS FINAL APPROVAL? WHAT, WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS? NO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT TO THAT POINT HERE. UM, SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF, IF WE HAD AN, AN ACTION ON RECORD THAT THAT TELLS US THAT DIRECT STAFF HOW TO ENFORCE THIS, UM, WE WOULD, UM, GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME FOR COMPLIANCE. IF COMPLIANCE IS NOT ACHIEVED WITHIN THAT AGREED UPON TIME, THEN WE CAN ESCALATE A, A CASE TO MUNICIPAL COURT. UM, AT MOST WHAT MUNICIPAL COURT WILL DO IS ISSUE FINES UNTIL COMPLIANCE CAN BE ACHIEVED. UM, AND SO THAT IS DETERMINED BY THE JUDGE, AND, AND WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT, IT DOES. UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, UM, WHATEVER THE ACTION IS STAFF'S DIRECTION WOULD BE TO ENFORCE IT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. NOW, NOW, WHEN A JUDGMENT IS FOUND, A A, I MEAN, I IMAGINE THAT YOU'VE HAD JUDGMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WHEN A JUDGMENT IS FOUND AGAINST SOMEONE AND THEY PAY THEIR FINE, OR IS THEIR HOUSE LIKE IN JEOPARDY? NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE LIENS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT, THAT IS NOT LIKELY THE CASE HERE. AND IT, IT VERY RARELY ESCALATES THAT FAR. UM, GENERALLY THEIR FINES ARE, ARE ISSUED AS, AS INCENTIVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND SO THERE MAY BE A DAILY OR WEEKLY FINE UNTIL COMPLIANCE IS ACHIEVED. SO IT'S SORT OF, UM, UM, INCENTIVIZING COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COREY. AND AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE APPLICANTS ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. IF, UM, THE OUTCOME, OUR VOTE OR WHATEVER OUR DECISION IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTEST, UM, MOTION TO DENY. I'M GONNA GIVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR DENIAL. FOR DENIAL. ANY LAST DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WANTED TO SPEAK QUICKLY. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I'M THE CONTRACTOR, SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE JUST HEARD THAT THERE'S, UM, SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TO DATE. UM, CAN I GET A RUNDOWN OF WHAT THOSE OTHER ISSUES ARE IN ADDITION TO THE MATERIAL? I BELIEVE STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT OFFLINE. YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH. UM, OKAY. ROLL CALL FISH. AYE, GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ. NATE, AREOLA AYE GROUP. AYE. BETTS AYE. LI AYE. MOTION [02:30:01] CARRIES. UM, AND STAFF WILL GET WITH THE APPLICANT AND TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, NEXT IS [20-4197 Address/Description: 327 BARRERA HDRC Case No.: 2020-262 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Eloy Garcia/BALCONES MUSTER INC Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM 22. THAT'S WE, WE, ARE YOU READY WITH THE APPLICANT? YES. ALRIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22, PAGE NUMBER 20 22 62 AT 3 27 RERA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE A NON-ORIGINAL BAY WINDOW WITH A NEW VINYL WINDOW. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING C REPLACEMENT WITH WOOD SLASH WINDOWS THAT ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL CASE. COMMENT ON A SITE VISIT CONDUCTED ON APRIL 30TH, 2020. STAFF FOUND THAT THE FRONT BAY WINDOW WAS REPLACED PRIOR TO APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT WAS COOPERATIVE TO THE STOP WORK ORDER AND SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION ON JUNE 9TH TO BE HEARD AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING. AND THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. IS THE APPLICANT THERE? YES. ALRIGHT, WE CAN HEAR YOU. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, UH, SAY TO THE COMMISSION, UH, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO SORT OF PRESENT. UM, IF NOT, THEY'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR REFERENCE. UH, SIR, I ATTACHED THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS THAT YOU SENT ME AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION SLIDE. OKAY, GREAT. UM, THIS IS NEW FOR ME. UH, WE, I BOUGHT THIS HOME TO BE A, UH, A PROPERTY TO MOVE INTO, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR RETIREMENT AND TO HOLD AS A RENTAL. IN THE INTERIM, WHEN WE TOOK THE HOUSE OVER, WHEN I TOOK THE HOUSE OVER, UM, THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW WAS CAUSING A LOT OF, UH, ISSUES FOR THE HOUSE. UM, UH, INFESTATION OF INSECTS WERE, WERE MANIFESTING THEMSELVES THROUGH THAT. HOLD ON SECOND, I'VE BEEN ON THIS CALL FOR TWO HOURS AND THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY, THEY SAID ANYTHING, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, UH, SO ANYWAY, SO, SO THE, WE FELT, I FELT THAT THE, UH, THE, UH, URGENCY OF REPLACING THAT WINDOW WAS, WAS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT. UH, BUT IT WAS CAUSING FURTHER DAMAGE TO THE HOUSE. UH, I, THE WINDOW THAT WAS REPLACED WAS A NON HISTORIC WINDOW. IT HAD BEEN REPLACED PREVIOUSLY TO, UH, MY GAINING OWNERSHIP OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. UH, I LOOKED, UH, AT THE NEAR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S SOME OF THE PICTURES I SENT IN TO THE, UH, TO THE STAFF TO SHOW WHAT, WHAT I HAD TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF COMPARING WHAT I NEEDED TO DO. AND OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST AND FOREMOST WAS TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL APPEARANCE AND VALUE, UH, CONSISTENT. I, I FELT THAT THE WINDOW THAT WAS IN THERE DIDN'T DO THAT TO BEGIN WITH. UH, AND, AND I COMPARED IT TO SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT ARE JUST ON MY BLOCK AND, UH, AND FELT THAT THE WINDOW THAT WAS WAS PUT IN THERE WAS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ON THAT BLOCK, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. BUT I ONLY TOOK PICTURES OF THE ONE ON ONES ON THE BLOCK. REPLACE THE WINDOW. UH, IF YOU DO A BEFORE AND AFTER, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE WINDOW THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT IN IS MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE AS COMPARED TO THE ONE THAT WAS IN THERE PREVIOUS, BOTH IN SHAPE AND IN COLOR. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I CAN APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO PUT IN A MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOW. UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF YOU HAD TALKED WITH STAFF OR GOT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU NEEDED TO COME BEFORE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO FIND OUT WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THERE. UM, THE REST OF THE WINDOWS, THE REST OF THE WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE, ARE THEY WOOD, WINDOWS, WOOD SASH? NO, THEY'RE NOT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. CAN I ASK ABOUT, UH, THE TYPE OF THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE HOUSE? WHAT, WHAT TYPE ARE THOSE? AND MAYBE WE CAN PUT AN IMAGE UP. UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SIMILAR TO THE STYLE THAT, THAT WE REPLACED THIS PARTICULAR WINDOW WITH. ARE THEY VINYL? DO THEY HAVE FAUX DIVIDED [02:35:01] LIGHTS? ARE THEY ALUMINUM CLAD? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY ARE? UH, I BELIEVE, UH, MOST OF 'EM ARE VINYL. UH, I THINK IN THE BACK, THERE STILL MIGHT BE SOME, SOME, UH, OF THE OLDER TYPE WINDOWS. UH, BUT I, I'LL BE HONEST, I, I DIDN'T DO AN EXAMINATION OF, OF THE OTHER WINDOWS. I WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH THE FRONT, THE FRONT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE FRONT. COULD YOU PULL UP PHOTO 12, PLEASE? IS THIS HOUSE ON, IS THIS WINDOW ON THE FRONT PORCH? YES, SIR. I, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN, JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DOES STAFF HAVE, UM, HAVE ANY, ANY EVIDENCE OF A WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN RECENT, RECENT FIRES? YEAH, IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, IT IS STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING THAT UNDERSTANDING THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO MATCH THE BAY WINDOW WITH THE OTHER EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE AND THAT NO OTHER WINDOW REPLACEMENT HAD OCCURRED, ONLY THE BAY WINDOW. CAN THE APPLICANT CONFIRM THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO MATCH EXISTING WINDOWS, IF THAT'S THE, THE POINT OF THE QUESTION. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE QUESTION. I THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT HAS HAD A WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND THERE'S A NON HISTORIC WINDOW THAT HAS BEEN DAMAGED AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY REPLACED IN KIND INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MATCHING THE OTHER WINDOWS, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH TO REQUIRE THE FULL WOOD WINDOW, UH, NECESSARILY IN, IN THIS INSTANCE. UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WAS DONE IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY BECAUSE IT LOOKS PRETTY RECENT. I, I BELIEVE BASED ON, UM, THE GOOGLE IMAGES, IT WAS, UH, MESH GREENS THAT WERE REMOVED, SO THAT'S WHY THEY LOOK A LITTLE NEWER. SO THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY RECORD ON, UH, THIS ADDRESS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN THE PAST, NOT SINCE THE PAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, NO, THAT'S THE DATA THAT'S IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE TO US. WE COULD OBVIOUSLY GO FURTHER, BUT I I CAN'T DO THAT WHERE I AM NOW. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, IS THERE A MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, GIVEN THAT THIS WAS A NON HISTORIC WINDOW THAT WAS REPLACED AND IT WAS REPLACED IN A MANNER THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS INSTALLED ON THE PROPERTY, ACCURATE FOR APPROVAL AS WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED? IS THERE A SECOND? THIS COMMISSIONER GROUP SECOND. HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. NOPE. ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. SORRY, FISH. AYE. GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. AREOLA AYE GROUP. AYE THAT SIR? AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. [20-4209 Address/Description: 101 CROFTON HDRC Case No.: 2020-291 Historic District Name: King William RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Joe Hernandez Request: Window replacement and fenestration modifications City Council Dist.: 1] OKAY. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 23. UM, THAT'S RACHEL. I THINK SHE'S READY TO GO. CAN WE UNMUTE RACHEL? RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23. OKAY. H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 2 9 1 1 0 1 CROSS IN THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE 12 EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS AND TWO, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE REAR ELEVATION. ITEM ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE VINYL WINDOW REPLACEMENT PRODUCT BASED ON FINDING B. IF THE H D R C FINDS THE VINYL WINDOW REPLACEMENT PRODUCT APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACES THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH A VINYL WINDOW REPLACEMENT PRODUCT THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS [02:40:01] BASED ON FINDINGS FEE, AND THE APPLICANT, DONALD FISHBURN IS ON THE LINE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU. COULD I GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION FOR CONTEXT AND THEN I'LL TRY TO ILLUSTRATE ONE POINT? YES, GO AHEAD. THANKS. UH, WELL FIRST I'M A NATIVE OF CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND I LIVE CLOSE BY STILL. SO I HAVE AN APPRECIATION OF, OF THE WORK OF THIS GROUP AND OF STAFF, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE, THE HELP THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM RACHEL AND FROM STAFF. UH, WE PURCHASED THIS HOME LATE IN 2019. IT WAS UNOCCUPIED IN AN, A STATE OF DISREPAIR, EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER CONDOS IN THE, UH, SMALL COMMUNITY, UH, ARE IN GOOD REPAIR. UM, I WAS LAST AT THIS CONDO IN LATE FEBRUARY AND HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE MEMBERS OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. AND OF COURSE, THE ASSOCIATION HAS ITS OWN STANDARDS, UH, WITHIN KING WILLIAM. MY SON AND HIS WIFE ARE EAGER TO MOVE INTO THIS HOME FROM AN, A VERY SMALL APARTMENT IN MONTE VISTA. THEY'VE LIVED IN, UH, SAN ANTONIO FOR SOME YEARS. COVID OF COURSE, HAS MADE ALL OF THIS QUITE DIFFICULT. WE'VE BEEN HELPED ALONG THE WAY, UH, OF OUR RENOVATION BY SOME DESIGNERS, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SLIPS. I DISCOVERED ONLY IN JUNE THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH AN APPLICATION THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, BY THE WINDOW CONTRACTOR IN, UH, APRIL. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, A PROBLEM WITH PART OF OUR APPLICATION, UM, A BIT ABOUT THIS CONDO. THIS PARTICULAR CONDO IS BARELY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AT THE END OF A LONG ALLEY OR FIRE LANE. IT'S BARELY VISIBLE TO THE OTHER CONDOS IN THIS COMMUNITY OR FROM THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE. UH, YOU WOULD HAVE REVIEWED THE MATERIALS AND SLIDES SUBMITTED, UH, THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED AND THAT STAFF HAS SUBMITTED. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK, UM, AND WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO SLIDES 34, 35, 36 OF THE 61 SLIDES. SO 34, 35, 36, WE HAVE THOSE UP NOW. AND THERE'S JUST A DELAY FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE LIVESTREAM. UH, I'M SORRY, RIGHT. I'M NOT SEEING IT YET. UH, SLIDE 34 IS ACTUALLY OF CONDO 1 0 2. WE ARE CONDO 2 0 1. WE'RE JUST SHOWING THAT, UH, A COUPLE OF THESE CONDOS FACE THE STREET FACE ACROSS THE, ACROSS AN AVENUE. MOST OF THEM ARE HIDDEN FROM THE STREET TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER. SLIDE, UH, 35 IS OUR CONDO FROM, UH, THE STREET. AND, AND OUR, UH, OUR CONDO IS 2 0 1. YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE THE FRONT DOOR OR ANYTHING. UH, THE FRONT DOOR IS ON THE SIDE. UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE DOOR IS ON THE SIDE. YOU SEE THE, OUR, UH, OUR, UH, GARAGE DOOR, UH, FROM DOWN THE WAY. AND IT'S NOT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE GARAGE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY EVEN SEE THE FRONT DOOR, UM, WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE STREET. AND YOU SEE A DIMENSION THERE ON THE STREET. UH, LET'S SEE. IT'S 216 FEET FROM THE STREET TO THE GARAGE DOOR. UH, WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET ARE, ARE ONLY TWO OF THE WINDOWS, UH, UH, PARTIAL WINDOWS ABOVE THE GARAGE. THE, THE ENTRANCE DOOR IS ACTUALLY, UH, HIDDEN BY THIS HEDGE AND IS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. UH, THE LAST SLIDE THAT I REFERENCED IS 36, WHICH IS AGAIN, ANOTHER SHOT, ANOTHER, ANOTHER PHOTO OF UNIT 1 0 2 ON THE STREET. AND IT'S NOTED SAME WINDOWS AS PROPOSED. WHAT HAPPENED WAS OUR WINDOW CONTRACTOR, UH, WINDOW WORLD OF TEXAS, UH, DUPLICATED, UH, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE SEEN ELSEWHERE IN THE, IN THE COMPLEX, INCLUDING 1 0 2. AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IT WAS OUR INTENTION IN APRIL THAT THE WINDOW CONTRACTOR APPLY FOR WHATEVER CERTIFICATES OR PERMITS ARE REQUIRED AT THIS LOCATION. THEY DID SO AND THEN PROCEEDED TO BUILD THE WINDOWS. SO ALL OF THESE WINDOWS ARE COMPLETE. THEY'VE BEEN IN THE WAREHOUSE. I WASN'T INFORMED OF THE PROBLEM UNTIL I MADE INQUIRY IN JUNE. AND HERE, I'M, [02:45:26] WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS NOW. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR FROM THE KING WILLIAM OR FROM THE OWNERS? THIS IS COMMISSIONER. GO AHEAD. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I CAN POINT TO KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION SUPPORTING STAFF'S FINDINGS. UM, I'M SORRY, I MAY HAVE DROPPED OFF THERE FOR, FOR A SECOND OR TWO. UM, WE CAN HEAR YOU GREAT. UM, I, WE JUST, WE DON'T APPROVE VINYL WINDOWS IN, UM, BUILDING REPLACEMENTS. I THINK, UM, ON ON THE LAST CASE YOU SAW THAT THERE WAS A ONE-OFF FRONT WINDOW REPLACED, NOT A FULL REPLACEMENT, UH, GOING IN WHERE WE CONSIDERED THAT. AND THEN ANOTHER, A NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE NON-CONFORMING, UH, WHERE WE DIDN'T BUDGE. SO I, I DON'T EXPECT THAT, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE MUCH SUPPORT FOR AN APPROVAL OF A, OF A VINYL WINDOW HERE. UM, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE, THE POSITION, UH, THAT YOU'RE IN HAVING, HAVING THAT THE WINDOWS ARE ALREADY MADE. I WOULD SAY IT'S BETTER THAT THEY'RE NOT INSTALLED AT THIS POINT AND, AND JUST, UH, WAREHOUSED. BUT I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD MOVE AND STAFF, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET THE, UH, CASE FILE BACK UP ON MY SCREEN. IF YOU COULD PUT THE CASE FILE BACK UP TO THE FINDINGS, IT WOULD HELP. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. UH, I'LL SECOND. DO WE HAVE TO, UH, DENY ITEM NUMBER ONE? COMMISSIONER FISH, COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION? I, I WAS MORE ASKING STAFF. OKAY. YEAH, WE DO NEED A, UH, ACTION FOR BOTH ITEMS. I THINK COMMISSIONER FISH IS DROPPING OFF. UM, SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE ABLE TO REJOIN US HERE SHORTLY. I THINK I MIGHT BE BACK. OH, HE'S BACK. UH, AN AN APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATION SPECIFYING OUR STANDARD WINDOWS. DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE STAFF? YES. MS. COMMISSIONER DREW. I'LL SECOND. SO JUST, I'LL, I'LL REPEAT IT. THAT'S APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, FOR WINDOWS. UM, AND THEN ITEM TWO IS SUBMITTED. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND COM. COMMISSIONER QUE CHAIRMAN, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YES. UH, YOUR STAFF, UH, SAYS, UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND A POOL OF THE VINYL WINDOW REPLACEMENT PRODUCT BASED ON FINDING B. UM, I MEAN, IS THIS, IS THIS A, A NEW BUILDING OR IS IT AN OLD BUILDING? A HISTORIC BUILDING? IT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT IS OLDER. IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND IT, AND IT HAD WHAT, WHAT APPEARS TO BE THOSE OLD SCHOOL ALUMINUM WINDOWS, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THEY WOULD BE REPLACING THAT OLD STYLED ALUMINUM WINDOW WITH THIS MORE DIMENSIONAL VINYL WINDOW. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT ONE IS ADDRESSING. CORRECT. NOW, UM, ARE THEY UNDER ANY, DO THEY HAVE ANY VIOLATION CURRENTLY WITH THAT ALUMINUM WINDOW AS IT'S, UM, THEY DO NOT, THEY HAVEN'T BEGUN WORK YET, BUT LIKE THE APPLICANT SAID, THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN MANUFACTURED HERE IN THE WAREHOUSE STILL. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. IS IT INSIDE A DISCUSSION? IS IT A, IS IT A GOOD PLACE TO, I MEAN, IS IT OKAY TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? OF COURSE. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY, WHY ARE YOU REPLACING THEM? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UM, AS I STATED BRIEFLY, THE CONDO IS UNOCCUPIED. WHEN WE PURCHASED IT LATE LAST YEAR, UH, SEVERAL OF THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN DAMAGED. UH, WE REPLACED THE HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM AND ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY THROUGH, UH, NEW INSULATION IN THE ATTIC AS WELL AS REPLACING [02:50:01] DAMAGED WINDOWS. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, WE WANTED CONSISTENCY OF THE LOOK OF THE WINDOWS, UH, AND HOPED THAT WE ASSUMED WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING. UM, BUT IT WAS FOR CONSISTENCY AND TO MATCH, UH, ALL THE WINDOWS TO THE ONES THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED. NOW, IF, IF, UM, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THIS, THIS APPLICATION IS DENIED, ARE YOU MORE INCLINED TO LEAVE THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE OR TO REPLACE 'EM ALL WITH WOOD WINDOWS? WE WOULD, UH, WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A VERY BEST SOLUTION THAT STAFF COULD APPROVE OR GIVE A CERTIFICATE FOR. AND WE WOULD, UH, WORK WITH THE WINDOW MANUFACTURER WHO, WHO DIDN'T SERVE US WELL IN THIS CASE. AND WE WOULD LOOK FOR A WINDOW MANUFACTURER LOCALLY WHO COULD, WHO COULD HELP US EXPEDITE THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE CERTIFICATE. WE WOULD REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS. SO, SO, SO IF, IF IT, IF, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE, THE MOTION IS FOR REPLACEMENT OF THESE WINDOWS ONLY WITH A WOOD OR A METAL CLAD WOOD WINDOW, THAT YOU WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. I MEAN, AS OPPOSED TO THE FACT THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THESE VINYL WINDOWS, BUT IF THE VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT GONNA FLY, I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT, WE WOULD WE CERTAINLY RESPECT THE, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION AND STAFF AND, UH, WE, WE WERE AT FAULT, BUT, UM, BUT WE'RE UN COMPLETELY UNINTENTIONAL, UH, THAT WE CHOSE A, A PATH, UH, THAT OBVIOUSLY IS, IS NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD HAVE GONE AT THE FIRST AND FIRST. SO I THINK MY ANSWER IS WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO, IN A TIMELY FASHION, UH, MEET EXPECTATIONS, GET A CERTIFICATE, GET BUILDING PERMITS, AND GET A MOVE IN. THANK YOU. AND JUST A REMINDER TO THE APPLICANT THAT IF THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS DE DENIED THAT, UH, YOU DO HAVE THE, UH, RIGHTS TO APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THANK YOU. WE'D BE AT, AT THIS POINT WE'D BE GLAD TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND EXPECTATIONS OF STAFF AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN THAT. THANK YOU. THIS MOTION IS NOT A DENIAL. THIS IS COM HE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS. UM, BUT THE, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOW WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO CHANGE IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFICATIONS AND POTENTIALLY MATERIAL. UNLESS SEE IT WENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ON THAT, UH, MOTION. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. OLA? AYE. RUBE. AYE. BETTS. AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM 24. UM, BROOKE, SORRY, WE'RE PULLING UP THE CASE LIST OR GOT A FROZEN COMPUTER HERE. OKAY, I THINK WE IS ON THE LINE WITH THE APPLICANT. CAN WE UNMUTE? WE, WE, ARE YOU THERE? ALRIGHT, AGENDA, YES. [20-4201 Address/Description: 1438 W ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-237 Historic District Name: Keystone Park Applicant: Erasmo Castillo/Castillo’s Complete Construction Request: Rear additions, side window enclosure City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, CASE NUMBER 20 22 37 AT 1438 WEST ROSEWOOD, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A REAR ADDITION ON THE EAST ELEVATION TO FEATURE AN INSET COVERED PORCH. TWO, TO INSTALL A REAR ADDITION ON THE WEST ELEVATION TO SQUARE OUT THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. AND THREE, TO REMOVE AND INFILL THE FULL HEIGHT PICTURE WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AND TWO, THE REAR ADDITIONS BASED ON FINDING C AND D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ANY HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE REUSED OR KEPT ON SITE AND THAT NEW WINDOW PRODUCTS IF USED, SHOULD BE VERIFIED WITH STAFF PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. NO NEW WINDOW PRODUCTS ARE APPROVED AT THIS TIME. STAFF DOES NOT [02:55:01] RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE. THE WINDOW REMOVAL AND INFILL BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT APPROPRIATELY SIDE PENETRATION BE INSTALLED IN THE OPENING AND THAT INFILL SIDING EITHER MATCHES EXISTING OR ORIGINAL SIDING. IN APPEARANCE. CASE COMMENT, UH, THIS, UH, CASE CAME TO US AS AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION AND WORK HAS CONTINUED ON THE PROPERTY TWICE AFTER SOFT WORK ORDERS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. YOU'LL FIND, UH, THE WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETE ON SLIDE 14 THROUGH 16 AND THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. , IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. HI, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYBODY FOR GIVING ME, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW TO ME. UH, OBVIOUSLY MY NAME'S ICO CASTILLO. I'M THE CONTRACTOR 1438, UH, WHICH ROSEWOOD AND AS FAR AS FOR THE WINDOW, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS A PROBLEM, UH, THAT, THAT WINDOW THEY WERE ON THERE, THEY WERE QUARTER INCH LESS. THEY WEREN'T INSULATED, THEY WEREN'T PROPERLY INSTALLED. ALL THEY HAVE IS THE TRIM ON THE ONE BY FOUR ON THE EXTERIOR, ON THE INTERIOR. THE ONLY THING THAT WAS HOLDING IT WAS QUARTER ROUND. UH, IF YOU, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE PICTURE OR NOT, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THEY HAVE STEPS THAT GO UPSTAIRS. UM, OBVIOUSLY MY GUYS JUMPED THE GUN, SHOULD'VE NEVER REMOVED IT WITHOUT PERMISSION. I SHOULD IT ON THE PROPER WAY. SO I, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. BUT THE REASON FOR THE REMOVAL WAS 'CAUSE EVERY TIME YOU WALK UP AND DOWN THOSE STAIRS, YOU WERE KEEPING TAKE THE, THE GLASS OR IT WAS ALWAYS SHAKING. SO WE WANTED TO DO THE SIDING. THE REASON WE WENT WITH THE SHIPLAP SIDING IS ON THE SIDES. SW THE ADDITIONS WERE, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE ORIGINALLY, THE SHIPLAP UNDERNEATH THAT SIDING THERE, IT'S ALL SHIPLAP. UM, I MEAN IT'S A SMALL PORTION, SO WE CAN EASILY CONVERT THAT BACK OVER TO THAT, UH, SEMEN FIBER SIDING AND MATCH THAT, WHICH IS A NO BIG DEAL. SO I'M WILLING, WILLING SEND IT OVER TO THAT. BUT IN, IN OUR OPINION, WHEN WE WENT OVER AND HOW DID I SEE, I SEEN EVERYBODY CONVERT THAT SHIPLAP TO, I MEAN, I'M SORRY THAT HARD, THAT'S NOT HARD. I'M SORRY. THAT FIBER SIDING INTO THAT SHIPLAP, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT'S A BETTER PRODUCT AND IT LOOKS BETTER, IT LOOKS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSE TOO. SO NATURALLY WE DO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ONES, BUT UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE, THE ACTUAL ONE IS, UH, THAT SHIPLAP. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE WENT BACK TO THE SHIPLAP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, ON THE HOME AND THAT IT WAS JUST NOT BELIEF THAT IT WENT BETTER. BUT IF IT'S AN ISSUE, IT'S A VERY SMALL AREA AND WE'RE WILLING TO GO BACK. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE REPLACED THAT WINDOW BECAUSE IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE . CAN KIND OF SEE A STAIR ACT BEHIND THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS. I THINK THOSE, YES SIR. SLIDE 14, IS THAT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION OR IS THAT A NEW STAIR? THAT'S THE ORIGINAL STAIRS. THEY HAVE LIKE A, A LOFT UPSTAIRS. I GUESS AT SOME POINT THEY CONVERTED HALF OF THE ATTIC AND THEY HAVE A LOFT ON THE TOP SIDE. AND, UH, WHEN YOU WALK UP AND DOWN THOSE STAIRS, THAT GLASS WOULD ALWAYS BE SHAKING BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WASN'T PROPERLY INSTALLED. BASICALLY. THEY JUST STUCK IT IN BETWEEN THE ONE BY FOUR AND THE QUARTER ROUND. THAT'S ALL THAT WAS HOLDING IT. IS THERE, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE, THAT THE WINDOWS WERE ADDED LATER? OR ARE THEY, ARE THEY ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE? THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE FOR THE AGE OF IT, THERE'S NO WAY IT COULD BE. SO THEY APPEAR . GO AHEAD, STAFF. THANKS. I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, STAFF ALSO CONCLUDED THAT THE WINDOWS WERE UNLIKELY ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE, BUT, UH, THE MAIN CONCERN IS HOW THE FENESTRATION, UH, DOESN'T, UH, INFILL PROPERLY INTO THE EXISTING CONDITION. YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THAT FAR. I'M SORRY THAT THAT CONDITION BE PRESERVED AS IS, AS IS AS IT IS NOW. UM, SO IN FILLING THE OPENING IS FINE. WE JUST HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW THAT'S DONE. AND WE DO RECOMMEND THAT AN APPROPRIATE SIZED ADMINISTRATION, ADMINISTRATION BEING MAINTAINED THERE VERSUS FILLING IT INCOMPLETELY. 'CAUSE WE, WE DO THINK HISTORICALLY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN SOME SORT OF OPENING THERE, JUST NOT THAT ONE. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THERE'S A STAIR THERE NOW, UH, BEHIND IT. SO I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW A WINDOW BACK IN THERE, EVEN IF IT'S AT A DIFFERENT SCALE, THAT WOULD BE MORE HISTORICALLY COMPATIBLE. MAKES SENSE TO ME. BUT I'LL, I'LL GET THOUGHTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, [03:00:01] UH, ON SLIDE 23 WHERE THE NEW REAR EDITION WAS BUILT, AND THERE'S A WINDOW IN THAT. WAS THAT A, UH, REUSED EXISTING WINDOW? CORRECT. UH, AND LOT OF WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE THERE, THEY WERE ALL THE SAME. IF ANYTHING, SOMETHING GOT MOVED OVER TO THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT. UH, WHEN WE DID THAT ADDITION, WE TOOK THE ONE FROM THE BACK SIDE FROM WHERE THE WALL WENT UP. THE SAME ONE, WE JUST MOVED IT OVER. UH, WE DIDN'T PURCHASE NO WINDOWS AT ALL FOR THAT HOUSE. WE USED EXISTING, UH, WINDOWS. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMENTS. I, I'M, I CAN ATTEMPT A MOTION HERE. THAT IS IF YOU PLEASE. OKAY, PROCEED PLEASE. I, I'M MOVED FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO, UM, AND, UH, A FULL OF ITEMS THREE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ORIGINAL, THAT THE INFILL CITING EITHER MATCHED THE EXISTING OR ORIGINAL CITING AS SUGGESTED. TO BE CLEAR, UM, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, NEW FENESTRATION IN THAT COMMISSIONER. I'LL SECOND THAT. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA AYE. APPROVE. AYE. FETZER. AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE TRIED TO CALL THE NEXT APPLICANT NUMBER 25. WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER YET, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ITEM 26. UM, EDWARD, ARE YOU READY? A AGENDA [20-4205 Address/Description: 724 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-284 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Sunnie Diaz/SOFLIN DAVID & DIAZ SUNNIE R Request: Demolition of a rear accessory structure with construction of a new accessory structure City Council Dist.: 2] ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 84 7 24 NORTH PINE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 7 24 NORTH PINE. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH E STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO PROVIDE BOTH THE LOSS OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AS WELL AS AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. MATERIALS THAT ARE SALVAGEABLE TO BE SHOULD BE SALVAGED FOR USE ON SITE STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED MASSING AND FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. BASED ON FINDINGS F THROUGH KANE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE BUILDING MATERIALS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT DETERIORATED BEYOND USE BE SALVAGED FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. UH, SONNY, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND JUMP INTO YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU CAN DO THAT NOW. SURE. THA THANKS ED. AND, UM, HI EVERYBODY. UH, MY NAME IS SONNY AND I'M THE HOMEOWNER, UM, AND DESIGNER OVER AT, UM, 7 24 NORTH PINE, UM, AS A DESIGNER. DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU GUYS'. UM, WORK AND COMMITMENT TO KEEPING OUR, OUR AWESOME, BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN, IN THE CONTEXT THAT IT IS TODAY. UM, I'LL GO THROUGH A A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE SLIDES HERE. UM, YOU'LL SEE, UM, I'VE GOT A LITTLE SITE PLAN THAT SKETCHES OUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. WE'VE GOT A, UM, PRETTY DILAPIDATED GARAGE IN OUR BACKYARD, I THINK SLIDE. UM, YEAH, THAT SLIDE SHOWS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM, UM, OUR STREET VIEW OVER ON PINE STREET. UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE DOWN, UM, THE CURRENT GARAGE IN CARPORT. UM, I'VE GOT A, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S LETTER OF, OF HOW, UM, HOW BAD A SHAPE IT'S IN. UM, AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS OF, OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE. AND CONCEPTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A GABLE ROOF GARAGE RIGHT NOW WITH A FLAT ROOF CARPORT, AND WE REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT FEELS IN THE YARD. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT, UM, FROM THE FORMS THAT WE CURRENTLY SEE. UM, AT OUR HOUSE. UM, THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE USED FOR SOME WORKSPACE FOR MY HUSBAND AND I, UM, AND, AND IT'LL ESSENTIALLY BE LIKE A TWO CAR STACKING GARAGE. YEAH. THESE IMAGES SHOW THAT SOME OF THE CONDITION [03:05:01] THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UM, IS IN. UM, AND WE'VE ALSO GOT A CONTRACTOR'S LETTER, UM, FROM OUR CONTRACTOR WHO'S HELPING US PUT SOME COST ASSESSMENTS TOGETHER, UM, SHOWING THAT IT'LL BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US TO REPAIR WHAT'S THERE, UM, RATHER THAN, UM, BUILDING A NEW GARAGE. UM, THE CURRENT ONE HAS NO FOUNDATIONS. UM, IT HAS DIRT FLOORS AND WHATNOT. SO IF WE COULD SAY THAT IT'D BE GREAT, BUT IT, IT'S, UM, IN, IN REALLY BAD SHAPE AND THE COST OF OF GETTING THIS GUY UP TO SPEED WOULD WOULD BE QUITE A LOT. UM, AND SO I I'M WELCOME TO TALK THROUGH ANY OF, UM, YOU GUYS' IDEAS. YOU'RE CLICKING ON ALL THE, THE RIGHT SLIDES TO, TO SHOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, TO DO HERE IN OUR BACKYARD. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. AND, UH, I THINK YOUR DESIGN IS, UM, SUCCESSFUL IN ATTEMPTING TO, UM, SORT OF PAY HOMAGE TO WHAT WAS THERE AND, AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS IS STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UH, THE SITE PLAN ON PAGE EIGHT SHOWS A ONE CAR GARAGE WITH A TWO CAR CARPORT. MM-HMM. AND AN OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND BARBECUE AS A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. UM, THE AGENDA ITEM DOES NOT LIST THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND BARBECUE OR DI DEMOLITION OF THAT, THE LITTLE STRUCTURE THAT'S IN THAT CORNER. SO I'M NOT SURE WE CAN ACT ON THAT LITTLE PIECE RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE READY FOR US TO ACT ON IT. BUT THEN THE QUESTION IS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT DRAWING NINE, UM, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPED YOUR PLAN AND YOU'VE GOT A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH A TWO CAR CARPORT. SO WONDERING WHICH, UM, SURE. IF YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING. YES, SIR. I CAN CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU. SO WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED, UM, OUR PLANS FOR REVIEW AND WORKING WITH ED, UM, COVID HAPPENED. AND SO OUR, OUR INITIAL CONCEPT FOR THIS WAS A TWO CAR GARAGE AND AN APARTMENT IN THE BACK OR A STUDIO. UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M A DESIGNER, SO WORKING FROM HOME HAS BEEN GREAT, BUT WE'VE ALSO, OUR BUDGETS HAVE GOTTEN, UM, VERY TIGHT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS NOT, UM, I'D LIKE TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, UM, SLIDE, UH, 9, 10, 11, UM, AND 1516 OR WHAT FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, UH, WE'VE JUST HAD TO CUT BACK AND SCALE THIS THING BACK TO BEING WHAT YOU SEE ON SLIDE EIGHT. SO SLIDE 8, 12, 13, AND 14 ARE ALL THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT TODAY. UM, THE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN, UH, HELP CLARIFY YOUR OTHER QUESTION. UM, YEAH, THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN PATIO AREA, THAT CAN BE DONE ANOTHER TIME. WHEN I WAS CATCHING THAT OUT, I WAS THINKING OF WHAT'LL EVENTUALLY BE IN THAT SITE PLAN THAT WILL COMPLIMENT, UM, OUR BACKYARD. WE'VE IN, IN THE ITEMS TO BE, UM, DEMOLISHED. YOU'LL SEE ON PAGE, UH, 20, OH, LET'S SEE, 20 AND 21. YOU CAN SEE THAT COVERED CANOPY COULD BE DEMOLISHED. IT'S OVER LIKE A LITTLE BARBECUE PIT AREA. AND ESSENTIALLY IN, IN OUR MASTER PLAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO SOMEDAY BUILD THAT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT RIGHT NOW. OUR PRIORITY IS, IS JUST GETTING THE GARAGE STRUCTURE UP. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. MM-HMM. , THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. HOW AMENABLE ARE YOU TO RECONSIDERING THE, SOME OF THE EXTRA MATERIALS THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED TO INCLUDE MORE, UH, MORE MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, SURE, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, THE, UM, THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE PROPOSED SIDING ON THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS PRIMARILY A, A HORIZONTAL, UM, HARDY PLANK WITH A, A REVEAL FOR THE BOARD AND BATTEN WHERE THE TWO, UM, PIECES MEET CURRENTLY. OUR, OUR HISTORIC HOUSE, THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE HAS A, UM, A 10 INCH WIDE HORIZONTAL, UM, IT'S LIKE A, A LOT SIGN SIGHTING. UM, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT VIEW FROM THE FRONT OF PINE STREET, UM, I NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE, UM, MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN COMMENTED ON, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY OF THE CONFUSION. UM, OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN DID SHOW QUITE A BIT OF THE CORE TIN, UM, CORRUGATED METAL SIDING ON THE BUILDING. [03:10:01] UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE HORIZONTAL MAT, UH, HARDY BOARD MATERIAL IS GONNA ALSO NOT BE AS COSTLY AS THAT MATERIAL AS WE'RE TRYING TO CUT BACK ON OUR BUDGET. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE PERFORATED, UM, METAL IN THE PROJECT. UM, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONFUSION ON THAT FRONT SIDE HERE. UM, I WAS TRYING TO BREAK UP FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, THE MATERIAL. SO WE DO SEE SOME OF THE CORRUGATED, UM, CORE TIN SIDING FACING, UM, FACING THE STREET THERE AND THE REST, UM, WILL BE HARDY. UM, AND THAT'S OUR CURRENT, UH, THOUGHT RIGHT NOW JUST TO BREAK IT UP AS WE HAVE THE CARPORT AS A, A FLAT, UM, A FLAT CANOPY AND THEN POPPING UP WITH OUR GABLE TO HAVE A CHANGE IN MATERIAL. UM, THE OTHER MATERIAL THAT I NOTICED ON SOME OF THE STAFF, UM, COMMENTS WAS THE POLYCARBONATE MATERIAL. AND THAT'S THE, UM, WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS GET SOME REALLY GOOD DAYLIGHTING IN THAT SPACE. SO AS MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE OUR WOODWORKING TOOLS, UM, WE HAVE A BIT OF A BETTER DAYLIGHT QUALITY IN THE GARAGE. IT'S FACING NORTH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE SOUTHERN HEAT GAIN ON THE BUILDING. UM, SO FROM A DAYLIGHTING PERSPECTIVE THAT, THAT'S 1 1 1 FUN ELEMENT, UM, TO THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT SEEING THAT EDGE OF THE POLY CARBS FROM PINE STREET, UM, THE BUILDING IS PUSHED BACK QUITE A BIT, BUT WE COULD HAVE THAT FIRST, UM, SAY PANEL OF, OF METAL ROOFS COMING DOWN AND THEN START THE POLY CARB, YOU KNOW, ONE SHEET DOWN SO IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET FOR THAT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER. UM, I'M, I'M JUST NOTICING TODAY THAT APPROVAL, UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO VISIT WITH THE D R T BEFORE COMING BACK TO FINAL APPROVAL? SO, SO THAT WE COULD GO OH, SURE. AND DETAILS. YES. I, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND A FEW MONTHS BACK, I THINK THIS WAS, UM, EITHER AROUND THE NEW YEAR OR BEFORE THE NEW YEAR, NEW YEAR, WE DID MEET WITH, UM, I GUESS IT WASN'T THE WHOLE D R C, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS MEET AS A BOARD, BUT WE DID MEET, MEET WITH HUGH, UM, TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE PREVIOUS CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS, UM, THAT WE WERE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH. WELL, IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS HERE, SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION AND, UH, MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE MASSING AND FOOTPRINT AND , UH, STIPULATIONS AND FINDINGS. COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE COMMENTS THAT I NEED TO QUICKLY READ INTO THE RECORD. I APOLOGIZE, I I SHOULD HAVE INTERRUPTED SOONER. UM, BUT THIS COMES FROM MONICA SINO 1120 EAST CROCKFORD STREET. WE SUPPORT O HP'S RECOMMENDATION. UM, WE AGREE THAT THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE RELATES TO THE PRIMARY HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN REGARDS TO MATERIALS. UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE STEEL PIPE CARPORT. THE FRONT DRIVE GATE SHOULD ALSO BE A MATERIAL AND DESIGN POUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND AS A FRONT YARD GATE, BE LIMITED TO FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS NOTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? OH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH? AYE GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. OLA? AYE. RUE. AYE. ZER AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. I THANK YOU. UM, I ACTUALLY THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. I THINK WE ARE READY TO DO 1 29 EAST SUMMIT. UM, THAT'S RACHEL. RACHEL ARE YOU THERE? YES. ALRIGHT, WE'RE READY. AGENDA [20-4105 Address/Description: 129 E SUMMIT AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-294 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: kelly hoopes Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM NUMBER 25 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 29 4 1 29 EAST SUMMIT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE ONE WOOD WINDOW. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOW IN PLACE. IF THE H D R C FINDS THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT APPROPRIATE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACES THE EXISTING WINDOW WITH A FULLY WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THE APPLICANT KELLY HOOPS IS ON THE LINE. IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU MAY GO AHEAD MS. HOOPS. HI. WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, [03:15:01] TO REPLACE ONE WOOD WINDOW ON THIS HOME. IT IS IN THE BACK. IT IS A EXTERIOR WOOD WINDOW AND THE CUSTOMER IS REDOING HER WHOLE KITCHEN. SO HER KITCHEN WINDOW IS THE WINDOW THAT IS IN QUESTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING. AND, UM, IT IS A PELLA WOOD WINDOW AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA BE WOOD ON THE EXTERIOR. AND I BELIEVE WHAT SHE HAS RIGHT NOW IS A SINGLE PANE WINDOW. SO WE WILL BE REPLACING IT WITH A MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOW. AND ALSO IT SHOULD MATCH EXACTLY WHAT IS EXISTING THERE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. SO I GUESS THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS CONDITION OF THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOW. UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE ITS CONDITION AND, AND WHY IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED BEYOND REPAIR? THE FRAME YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM IS DETERIORATING AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY BE EVEN SOME WA UH, WOOD ROT ON THE BOTTOM. AND SO IT IS A VERY, UM, OLD WINDOW AND IT COULD USE THE UPDATE WITH THE WHOLE FRAME AND NOT JUST REPAIRS LIKE A STASH REPLACEMENT. IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CUSTOMER OVERALL AND, UM, IT'LL, UH, IT'LL BE GOOD IN VALUE FOR THE HOME AS WELL. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. HAS STAFF DONE A SITE VISIT TO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THIS WINDOW. STAFF HAS NOT CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT, PERHAPS OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, BUT ALSO BECAUSE, UM, FROM THE PHOTOS SUBMITTED, IT DIDN'T APPEAR THAT THE WINDOW WAS DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR. IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY INDICATION THAT THAT'S THE CASE. THANK YOU. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AGAIN. TYPICALLY, UM, IF WOOD WINDOWS ARE, UM, REPAIRABLE, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, GENERALLY SUPPORTS THAT, UH, WOOD ROT CAN BE, UM, UH, CUT OUT OR, OR GOUGED OUT AND EPOXY OR OR WOOD DUTCHMAN, UH, INSTALLED SASH CAN BE REBUILT. UH, AND IF ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS, UH, A CONCERN, THEN UH, OPTIONS SUCH AS A, UH, INTERIOR STORM WINDOW, UH, COULD BE, UH, INSTALLED, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT ENERGY EFFICIENCY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION? I, I HAVE NO LONGER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH TO GET MY MIC BACK ON. SORRY. UM, I, I MOVE FOR DENIAL BASED ON . COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. ANY DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE, GIBBS? AYE, REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I KNOW WE'RE ALREADY ON A ROLL CALL. I KNOW WE'RE ALREADY ON A ROLL CALL. JUST MY COMMENT. NOT SO I GUESS WOULD BE, I KNOW WE'RE JUST JUDGING BASED ON THE PICTURES, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET STAFF JUST TO DO A VISIT TO JUST CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEYOND REPAIR? I MEAN, I GUESS WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD'VE JUST BE MY COMMENTS AGAINST OUR, UM, I THINK WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT IS POSSIBLE. I THINK WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE AT THIS POINT THOUGH. UM, VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA ABSTAIN. OKAY, GROUP. AYE THAT SIR? AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM 27. UM, THAT'S CASE I, [03:20:06] LEE, ARE YOU THERE? [20-4138 Address/Description: 515 BURLESON ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-307 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Stephanie Padua Request: Porch flooring replacement City Council Dist.: 2] YES. AGENDA ITEMS 27, CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 7 AT 5 1 5 BURLESON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR POOL AND TWO, INSTALL TWO BY SIX TREATED BOARDS AS PORCH DECKING. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ONE BY THREE INCH TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD DECKING LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE IS USED INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED TWO BY SIX INCH WOOD PLANK LAID PARALLEL AND THAT NO ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS MAY BE ISSUED UNTIL ALL CORRECTIONS PER THE JUNE 6TH, 2019 COMMISSION ACTION HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. UH, FOR THE RECORD, THE APPLICANT AND OWNER HAVE BEEN DILIGENT IN PROGRESSING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE FOR THAT UH, JUNE, 2019 WINDOW REPLACEMENT. THE APPLICANT, UM, STEPHANIE IS ON THE LINE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS. UH, STEPHANIE, FOR YOUR REFERENCE, I ATTACHED THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS, UH, THAT YOU SENT AT THE END OF THE SLIDE. YEAH, SO THERE'S A FEW OF US HERE. IT'S, UH, STEPHANIE AND, UH, I'M JESUS. I'M, UH, THE SON-IN-LAW OF THE HOMEOWNER AND I'M, UH, THE, THE HOMEOWNER, UH, PATRICIA GONZALEZ. AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, GIVE YOU, UH, THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR THIS, UH, WHAT I'M MAKING THIS REQUEST, I AM ASKING YOU FOR APPROVAL. I TALKED TO, UH, UH, PROBABLY IT WAS LIKE TWO CONTRACTORS THAT, THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING HERE, UH, ON BURLESON STREET ON DIFFERENT HOUSES. AND, UH, WE ALSO SUBMITTED THE, THE FEATURES OF THOSE HOUSES. UM, AND FIRST, UH, WELL, THE DIFFERENT OF, OF THE, THE DIFFERENCE OF THE PRICE WILL BE BY PROBABLY LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ME. UH, WHICH, UH, LIKE IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN, I LIKE TO MENTION THAT IT'S BEEN, UH, HARD ON ME TO AFFORD THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS, WHICH WE HAD ALREADY COMPLIED WITH THE, UM, REQUEST. UH, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S LIKE ADOPTED, UH, DOLLARS, UH, OF DIFFERENCE. UH, AND I TALKED TO TALKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS, THEY TELL ME THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T USE THAT MATERIAL FOR THE DECKING, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE MAIN THE MAIN, UM, REASON I'M ASKING FOR THIS, UH, APPROVAL IS BECAUSE, UH, THE, UH, UH, MONEY, THE DIFFERENCE OF THE MONEY THAT GETS IT, LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS, UH, NEW PROJECT ON SO SOON, BUT THE DECK THAT WAS THERE WAS MADE OUT OF, UH, TILE AND IT ACTUALLY CRUMBLED. SO FOR RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A TO SUPPLY WITH DECKING OVER IT. WE'RE WAITING ON SOME KIND OF APPROVAL. BUT, UH, LIKE WE SAID, WE DID, WE DID OUR OWN KIND OF, WE SURVEYED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY, UH, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY THAT HAD ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROUP, BUT WE, WE SUBMITTED PICTURES OF ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY HAVE TWO BY SIX, UH, TREATED MATERIAL, INCLUDING A FEW THAT ARE, UM, NEW RESTORATIONS, THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE ABOUT TO COME UP FOR SALE. AND THEY HAVE THE SAME TWO BY SIX. SO I WOULD LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO, ARE YOU MEMBERS OF THE, UM, OF THE BOARD THAT PLEASE ALLOW ME TO FINISH WITH THIS, UH, UH, DECKING, UH, BECAUSE WE REALLY NEEDED THE HOUSING. IT'S IN A PRETTY BAD SHAPE AND YOU KNOW, THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, THAT ARE GOING ON. UH, SO YES, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO, TO BE FINISHED WITH THIS HOUSE. IT'S BEEN LIKE A, IT'S BEEN A, UH, IT'S BEEN LONG TIME. YEAH. ADDITIONALLY, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO PUT A, A BANISTER AROUND AND, UH, THERE'S LIKE, ALL THESE IDEAS ARE COMING FROM HOMES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA. SO YOU COULD SEE THE BANISTERS IN THE PICTURES. WE WOULD LIKE TO MIMIC THE BANISTERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN HOMES THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA. SO WE WOULD USE THE EXACT SAME THING AS, AS THEY'RE USING THERE IF APPROVED. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, I WAS AT YOUR HOUSE SEVERAL TIMES. UM, I'M THE ONE WHO SPEAKS SPANISH, MS. RIZ. UM, SO THE APPLICATION DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING WITH ANY DETAILS ON BANISTER, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN DECIDE ON THAT. UH, STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE A, A, AN IMPORTANT ISSUE HERE IS, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WHOLE WINDOWS HAS SET YOU BACK, BUT , I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE DOING THIS OVER ALL OVER AGAIN. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS. AND, AND I DON'T WANNA, LIKE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY, VERY, VERY [03:25:01] IN THE WINDOWS. I WANNA TELL MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE NOT ON THE COMMISSION BACK THEN. WE DID A SITE VISIT AND, AND WE CAME DOWN TO VERY BIG COMPROMISE THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN IN THIS, IN THIS BOARD EVER COME TO IS SHE IS TO CHANGE THE FRONT WINDOWS ONLY. AND THIS WAS A COMPLETE, UM, CHANGE OF WINDOWS, THE WHOLE HOUSE. UM, SO WITHOUT ANY PERMITS, UM, PERFORMED HERE BY, UH, JESUS OR SON AT ALL. SO I THINK WE CAME TO REALLY NICE COMPROMISE. AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ASKING US ALSO, YOU'RE DOING SO MUCH GREAT WORK TO THIS HOME AND YOU WANNA KIND OF USE SOME EXAMPLES OF, YOU KNOW, LESS EXPENSIVE MATERIAL, LESS EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, AND I DON'T KNOW, SO YOU SAY THE PLYWOOD, BECAUSE IT'S CRUMBLING, THE STONE, THE STONE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU INSTALLED. I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT. LIKE WHEN YOU SAY IT'S CRUMBLING, ARE YOU JUST GONNA PUT IT ON TOP OF IT AND THAT IS IT? WHAT IS GONNA BE, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT AND, AND, AND I THINK STAFF HAS A POINT AND YOU CAN'T START A NEW PROJECT ONCE YOU, AND YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE OTHER ONE YET. YEAH, WELL THERE'S, THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE UP NOW, BUT THE, THE STONE IS GONE. I MEAN, IT, IT FELL THROUGH. UM, SO WE JUST REMOVED THE REST OF IT BEFORE IT ALL FELL OR SOMEBODY FELL THROUGH IT. AND THEN RIGHT NOW THE, THE, THE PICTURE THAT'S UP RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALL SEEING THE SAME THING, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW. SO THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO FINISH ON THE WINDOWS IS THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS. BUT WE HAD SOMEBODY COME IN AND RE OR THEY INSTALLED THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SAME WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE BACK ON. WE DON'T HAVE THE VINYL WINDOWS UP ANYMORE. OKAY, SO THE STONE, YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE IT. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA REMOVE? WHAT, HOW ARE YOU GONNA INSTALL IT BELOW? DO YOU HAVE ALL THAT FIGURED OUT? WELL, THE, THE STONE THAT'S THE FACING OF THE STONE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IN THE FRONT FACADE IS GONNA STAY. UM, WE'RE JUST GOING TO FI FIX IT BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE TOP LAYER RIGHT THERE THAT IT'S MISSING A FEW, BUT PAST THAT, WHERE, WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHITE RIGHT NOW, WHERE THERE'S PLYWOOD, THAT WAS A TILE, AND THAT TILE IS WHAT BROKE AND FELL THROUGH. BUT THE, THE RETAINING WALL, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT ON THE FOUNDATION, THAT THAT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME. AND WE'LL PRESERVE IT AND WE'LL, WE'LL FINISH IT OFF, BUT IT IS JUST THE, SO WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHITE RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT'S RIGHT NOW IS IT'S A, IT'S A HALF INCH PLYWOOD. AND THE ONLY REASON WE, WE HAVE TO PUT THAT SLIDE, THE, LIKE I SAID, THE UM, TILE, THE TILE, UH, IT JUST BROKE. IT WAS JUST LIKE SEVERELY DAMAGED. AND JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS, WE HAVE TO PUT THAT SO WE COULD WALK IN AND OUT THE HOUSE. AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING WERE TWO BY SIX BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE WANTING, RIGHT? I MEAN, STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT. YES. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING. I, MS. PATRICIA, I'M SORRY. I I REALLY BELIEVE THAT EITHER YOU'RE BEING MISGUIDED AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ROCKS ARE FALLING. THE ROCKS WAS A PROJECT THAT YOU RECENTLY DID. I DON'T WANT YOU TO FALL INTO MORE, UH, PROBLEMS OR MORE PROJECTS. UM, I'M, I'M GONNA STAND WITH STAFF ON THE ONE BY THREE, BUT I REALLY MISS PATRICIA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS, IS, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT ON TOP OF THAT ROCK. I MEAN, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM AND THE BANISTER IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH UNLESS YOU COME BACK WITH A SPECIFIC DESIGN. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO RECONSIDER THAT STONE BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY PUT ANYTHING ON THERE. THAT FRONT IN THE STONE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEHIND THAT. WELL, ON, UNDER THE PLYWOOD THAT'S THERE NOW, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD PUT THE TWO BY SIXES, THERE'S FRAMING UNDER THERE. SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WAS IT WAS A FRAMING AND THEN THERE WAS A HARDY BOARD UNDER IT, AND THEN IT WAS A TILE OVER. SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE TO PULL UP THAT PLYWOOD, IT WOULD BE THE, THE FRAMING THAT IT IS THE FRAMING ONLY. YES. SO IT WE'RE NOT LAYING OVER STONE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE, WE WOULD BE NAILING DIRECTLY DOWN TO THE FRAMING THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. ALL, ALL THAT, WHAT THAT HAPPENED WAS THAT WE REPAIRED THE FRAMING WHERE THE FLOORING CRUMBLED THE FLOOR COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE NOW. UM, THE FIRST IS FROM MONICA SINO 1120 EAST CROCKETT STREET. UM, WE SUPPORT O H P RECOMMENDATIONS. APPRECIATE THE EFFORT TO ENFORCE THE GUIDELINES AND ISSUE A C O A ONLY AFTER PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS FROM SCOTT ALBERT, 9 22 NORTH PINE WITH REGARD TO 5 1 5 BURLESON. THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO FIND NUMEROUS PRESIDENTS OF RECENTLY REHABBED [03:30:01] HOMES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE INAPPROPRIATE PORCH FLOORBOARDS, UNDERSCORES THE NEED FOR CONSISTENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND FINAL INSPECTIONS ON ALL H C C APPROVED PROJECTS. UM, AND WE AGREE, UM, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THESE PICTURES. THANK YOU. I'M REALLY WORRIED COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE AS YOU SEE, THERE'S A BIG LAYER OF ROCK THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. AND THEY SAY THE FRAMING AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO POLES. AND THAT'S MY WORRY ABOUT DO YOU PUT A ONE INCH, DO YOU PUT A TWO INCH? I'M NOT EVEN SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAS TO BE AN INSPECTION ON THIS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU'RE REMOVING A BIG THICK ROCK TILE AND HARDY BOARD AND THE, AND THE APPLICANT SAYS THERE'S A FRAMING. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT. COMMISSIONER, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. DO YOU THINK A A D R C TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE, LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY, HAVE THE APPLICANT BRING US DRAWINGS OF THE PROPOSED BANISTER AND DRAWINGS OF THE DETAIL OF HOW YOU INTEND TO RESOLVE THE DECK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? UH, OR SAY THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH US. UM, WE ARE TRYING TO HOLD OFF ON SITE VISITS RIGHT NOW, OR POSSIBLE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY EVEN SEEM POSSIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THERE'S THE END RESULT WILL BE SO MAY, MAYBE, MAYBE THEN THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE AND INSTRUCT THE APPLICANT TO, UM, TO, TO PREPARE, UM, UM, DOCUMENTS, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ON THE ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE RAILING, THE BANISTER, AND JUST THE DETAIL OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE PORCH. BECAUSE I THINK ALSO THE DIRECTION OF THE, OF THE WOOD CO COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON THE DIRECTION OF THE STRUCTURE TOO, RIGHT? THERE'S GUIDELINES FOR THAT. THE BANISTER IS NOT EVEN ON SUBJECT HERE BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN AN ITEM THAT THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR, SO, RIGHT. THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, I, I DON'T WANNA ASK THE APPLICANT FOR CONSTRUCTION. SHE'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT. I DON'T, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT PUTTING MONEY INTO A PROJECT THAT IS NOT, YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I'M SCARED THAT YOU HAD A BIG THICK ROCK AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, WHATEVER OUTCOME OF THIS COMMISSION, IF IT'S ONE BY THREE, 2.6, I DON'T, I DOUBT THAT YOU CAN REPLACE IT JUST LIKE THAT. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE RIGHT ADVICE. WE CAN TABLE IT AND, AND SAY WE CAN SEND IT TO D R C AND THEN PATIENTS WITH MS. PATRICIA. AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD REALLY MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE CONTRACTORS HAVE DONE, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR YOUR PROJECT. UM, DO YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE STONE THAT SHOWS THERE, UM, ISN'T CONTINUOUS UNDER THE, THE CURRENT PLYWOOD. IT'S JUST LIKE A, LIKE A FACE, A WALL. YOU CAN ACTUALLY WALK UNDER THE PLYWOOD. LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S A FRAMING ABOVE, BUT THE WHOLE HOUSE HAS A CRAWLSPACE UNDER IT THAT THAT PHONE DOES NOT CONTINUE BACK. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FETZER. IT SOUNDS LIKE POSSIBLY A D R C MIGHT BE IN ORDER. AND, UH, WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES TO THE D R C, IF THEY COULD BRING SOME MORE PHOTOS OF THE PORCH STRUCTURE, MAYBE PULL UP ONE OF THE SECTIONS OF PLYWOOD AND TAKE SOME PHOTOS OF THE FRAMING AND HOW THE, UH, STONE VENEER, UH, IS ON THE FRONT, ON THE FACE OF THIS, UH, SKIRT. UH, AND UM, JUST SO THAT THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE THE PORCH FINISH. MS. I MOVE FOR, UM, DEAR MOVE THIS CASE TO, THIS IS SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. OLA. AYE. GROUP BETTS AYE. LOPEZ? [03:35:01] AYE. MOTION PASSES AND IF STAFF WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, TERMS OF WHAT DOCUMENTS OR PHOTOS TO BRING TO THE D R C, THAT'D BE, UH, HELPFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, FINALLY, [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for July 1, 2020.] I THINK WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 1ST. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 1ST. COMMISSIONER GIVES I SECOND MOTION? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. NOW WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOVE TO ADUR. . ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYONE. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.