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THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE LIVE STREAMING AND GOOD TO GO TO START THE MEETING.
I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THE CHAIR, JACK.
I'M THE CO-CHAIR OF THE, UH, FIELD RELATED FIRES CODE APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD.
[Call to Order]
MORNING, LADIES.IT IS, UH, NOW 9 0 4 ON THE 17TH OF JULY, 2020.
UH, I HEREBY CALL THIS MEETING INTO SESSION AND STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL? LOUIS
HE WAS ON EARLIER, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT.
I LI EL TO PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR BRIAN SMITH.
ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE JOSEPH CARNEY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
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HEY, JENNIFER.UM, I THINK YOU WERE COMPLETED WITH THE ROSTER AND THE ROLL CALL.
UH, I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO GO BACK ONE MORE TIME, UH, TO SEE IF MR. IS YET WITH THIS, BUT I THINK WE STILL HAVE.
JENNIFER, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? JENNIFER? JEREMY, CAN YOU HEAR? I DO NOT HEAR HER.
JACK, DO DO YOU HAVE A QUORUM? YES.
I, I SEE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM.
DO WE WANNA CONTINUE THE BEATING? UH, YES.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I CONFIRM WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE.
UH, CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? OKAY.
UM, JEREMY, I'M BEING TOLD THAT I GOTTA READ A CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
UH, THAT'S JUST THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CHAIRMAN, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU DETERMINE.
UM, LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY JUST WENT OFF.
SO WE CAN GET RID OF THE BACKGROUND NOISE LIKE MIKE RUST WAS TALKING ABOUT.
ARE YOU ASKING ME IF I HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT? NO.
I'M ASKING YOU TO ASK EVERYBODY TO SELF MUTE SO WE GET RID OF THE BACKGROUND NOISE.
THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID THAT, BUT YES.
WOULD EVERYBODY PLEASE SELF MUTE SO THAT WE CAN GET RID OF THE BACKGROUND MUSIC? GOOD.
UH, PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, I'D LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW OUR BEATING FORMAT.
STAFF, COULD YOU PLEASE PROCEED WITH THAT? JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? UH, SO MOVING TO THE NEW FORMAT, UH, TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19.
THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES ADVISORY AND APPEALS BOARD IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE.
THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/BSD OR BY CALLING IN AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3.
TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES.
THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING.
STATEMENTS ARE COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT.
STAFF WILL READ INTO THE RECORD ANY EMAILS OR LETTERS RECEIVED.
STAFF WILL ALSO PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL.
LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENTS.
SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED.
THE APPELLANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH AN UNLIMITED TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH ANY OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS BOARD QUESTIONS.
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OKAY.DO WE WANNA ADDRESS THE, UH, MINUTES RIGHT NOW? HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE FROM THE LAST MEETING? UH, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY.
I MOVE APPROVAL ON MEETING MINUTES.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
DO WE NEED THAT? ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT? I SUPPOSE NOT.
WE DO NEED TO DO A FULL ROLL CALL, UH, FOR ANY VOTES.
STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO THAT? RON? AYE.
WILLIAM BUR WILLIAM BUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH A VOTE OF 12 2 0.
LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
LET'S HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF ANY, UH, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE PRESENT THE FIRST ITEM? THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, PLEASE GIVE US A COUPLE MINUTES.
WE WANT TO, UH, CALL THE APPELLANT AND GET HIM ONLINE, UH, PART OF THE MEETING SO WE CAN HEAR THE FULL PRESENTATION.
SHERRY, THEY DON'T KNOW I'M ON INSPECTION.
THE, THE, I ALREADY TOLD 'EM YES.
THEY SAID THEY HAD EVERYBODY MUTED.
THAT'S WHY HE COULDN'T, HE COULDN'T, THEY COULDN'T HEAR HIM, BUT THEY, UH, UNMUTED.
BUT IF, UH, IF HE COULD MUTE IT AND, AND WHEN HE WANNA SPEAK, THEN UNMUTE HIMSELF YES.
ON HIS PHONE BECAUSE, UH, UH, INITIALLY THEY HAD EVERYBODY MUTED BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE AND STATIC AND, AND, UH, SO, BUT, UH, IF WHEN, ONCE YOU READY TO TALK, THEN JUST, UH, UNMUTE AND TALK AND SO LIKE THAT.
NO, UH, GARY KOCH JUST ARRIVED.
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WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.I'M JUST CONFIRMING THAT Y'ALL CAN GET MY AUDIO.
WE CAN HEAR, JUST CONFIRMING THE BOARD CAN HEAR THIS AUDIO.
MR. UNA, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON LINE? YES.
UH, MR. UNA, WE'RE GONNA, UH, MUTE YOU FOR THIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
UH, ONCE YOU'RE, THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS PRESENTED AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD WILL UNMUTE YOU, PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON.
UH, MR. DELUNA IS ABLE TO LISTEN IN AND, UH, HEAR THE PRESENTATION, UH, AND ALSO BE ABLE TO PRESENT AFTER DSGS PRESENTATION.
[1. Discussion and Action on appeal submitted by Jose Deluna, JZ Electrical LLC related to the revocation of his company’s registration with the City of San Antonio. ]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE IS MR. JOSE DEL LUNA'S APPEAL OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S REVOCATION OF HIS REGISTRATION.THE RE REVOCATION LETTER WAS ISSUED ON JUNE 8TH, 2020 FOR CONTINUING TO WORK FULL PERMIT AND SCHEDULE INSPECTIONS DURING A SUSPENSION.
MR. UNA AND JZ ELECTRIC WERE ORIGINALLY SUSPENDED FOR A 30 DAY SUSPENSION THAT WAS ISSUED ON MAY 18TH, 2020 FOR USE OF UNLICENSED WORKERS AND NOT HAVING ADJOURNMENT ON SITE.
DURING INSPECTIONS OF MR. DELANO'S PROJECT, UH, AT FINAL INSPECTIONS, WE WERE SEEING VARIOUS LEVELS OF INCOMPLETE WORK.
UH, WORK SEEN AT FINAL INSPECTIONS HERE WERE SCHEDULED ON APRIL 22ND, 2020, AND MAY 13TH, 2020.
UH, SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE CALLED IN INSPECTIONS FOR FINAL INSPECTION.
UH, CALLED IN BY MR. UNA'S COMPANY IS THE ELECTRIC FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS.
ALSO, DURING ROUGH END INSPECTIONS AND OTHER INSPECTIONS, WE WERE SEEING NON CO COMPLIANT AND LIFE SAFETY ITEMS. UH, SEEN AS, UH, EXAMPLES OF SPLICE IN A CEILING FOR A KITCHEN RANGE, UH, UNSAFE INSTALLATION OF A FEEDER TO A SUBPANEL.
UH, NOW THESE AREN'T SPECIFICALLY ITEMS THAT WE WERE, UH, ADDRESSING IN ANY TYPE OF SUSPENSION.
THESE WERE JUST CONCERNS THAT WE WERE RAISED, UH, WITH THE, UM, QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP MEETING CODE AND LIFE SAFETY ITEMS, AND HAVING THE PROPER SUPERVISION AND LICENSED INDIVIDUALS ON A PROJECT TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE MEETING CODE AND LIFE SAFETY ITEMS. SPECIFICALLY, OUR FIRST SUSPENSION WAS BROUGHT UP DUE TO 8 0 8 AND THE BOUGHT UP.
UH, WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FROM THE HOMEOWNER ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE ELECTRICAL WORK BEING COMPLETED AT THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE HOMEOWNER INFORMED US THAT JC ELECTRIC WAS CONTRACTED TO PERFORM THE WORK AND HELD THE ELECTRICAL PERMITS.
WE DID CONFIRM THAT THE, UH, PERMIT WAS ISSUED TO JC ELECTRIC.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER ALSO CONFIRMED TO US THAT HE APPROACHED THE ELECTRICIAN ON SITE AND, UH, WAS INFORMED AND PRESENTED AN APPRENTICE LICENSE LICENSE ONLY FROM THE STATE.
D S D CONFIRMED THAT MR. DELUNA WAS NOT PROPERLY SUPERVISING THE PROJECT UNDER HIS MASTER'S LICENSE AND DID NOT HAVE PROPER LICENSE WORKERS ON SITE.
D S D SUSPENDED MR. DE LUNA'S REGISTRATION FOR A 30 DAY, THIRD DAY PERIOD, BEGINNING ON MAY 18TH, 2020.
THIS IS A NOTICE OF SUSPENSION THAT WAS ISSUED TO MR. DEL LUNA CERTIFIED MILL.
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PERIOD, MR. DE LUNA CONTINUED TO HAVE WORK COMPLETED ON HIS PROJECTS CONTINUED TO ATTEMPT TO PULL PERMITS AND CONTINUED TO SCHEDULE INSPECTIONS.THE FOLLOWING PERMITS WERE SCHEDULED FOR INSPECTION DURING MR. DEL LUNA'S SUSPENSION.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS OVER THAT 30 PER THIRD DAY PERIOD, UH, WHERE MULTIPLE PROJECTS THEY WERE CONTINUE TO DO WORK AT, UH, WHILE UNDER SUSPENSION FOR THE CITY.
BASED ON THE INCOMPLETE WORK AT FINALS, UNSAFE INSTALLATIONS OBSERVED DURING INSPECTIONS, LACK OF QUALIFIED AND LICENSED WORKERS PERFORMING ELECTRICAL WORK AND THE CONTINUATION OF WORK WHILE UNDER SUSPENSION.
D S D BELIEVES THAT MR. UNA IS NOT PROVIDING THE REQUIRED SUPERVISION OF THE WORK BEING PERFORMED UNDER HIS MASTER'S LICENSE AND HAS REVOKED HIS CONTRACTOR'S REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY EFFECTIVE JUNE 18TH, 2020.
THIS IS THE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED TO MR. DELUNA, UH, NOTIFYING HIM OF THE SU OF THE REVOCATION OF HIS REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY.
UH, THEY, HE DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THAT ONE YEAR TO REAPPLY FOR REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY, AND AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE REEVALUATED.
THAT CONCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT OF THE PRESENTATION OF THIS APPEAL.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS VIOLATIONS? JEREMY? UH, CAN WE GO BACK? CAN I SEE? CAN WE GET A NUMBER? I, I WAS TRYING TO GET A COUNT OF, THIS IS RO VASQUEZ.
I WAS GETTING A COUNT OF HOW MANY PROJECTS.
JEREMY, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS.
WHEN YOU NOTIFY THE INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY'RE, UH, HAVE A VIOLATION OR, UH, OR BEING SUSPENDED FOR A, A MONTH OR WHATEVER, HOW DO YOU NOTIFY THEM? IS IT A PHONE CALL, AN EMAIL? IS THERE A CERTIFIED LETTER THAT'S RECEIVED AND SIGNED FOR? HOW, HOW DO YOU NOTIFY THEM? UM, ALL THREE ACTUALLY.
UH, SO DURING OUR INVESTIGATION, WE CALL, UH, LET THEM KNOW ONE THAT WE HAVE, UH, SOME CONCERNS ALLOW THEM TO PRESENT THEIR, UH, SITE AS WELL.
UH, ONCE WE'VE KIND OF MADE A DECISION, WE, WE CALL AND LET 'EM KNOW WHAT THAT DECISION IS.
UH, WE ALSO EMAIL THIS LETTER OUT, UH, TO THE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT WE HAVE ON FILE WITH THEIR REGISTRATION.
AND THEN WE SUBMIT THIS LETTER CERTIFIED MAIL TO THE ADDRESS ON FILE WITH THEIR REGISTRATION.
UH, AND MR. CHAIR, THIS IS MYST.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS IF I MAY.
UM, JEREMY, THE, YOU SAID, UH, HE PULLED A PERMIT WHILE ON SUSPENSION.
IS THERE NOTHING, UH, WITHIN THE CITY SYSTEM THAT PREVENTS THAT FROM, YOU KNOW, DID HE PULL IT OR DID HE APPLY FOR IT? AND THEN, UH, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND I HAVE, UH, A, A CONTRACTOR WHO'S UNDER CONTRACT THAT I'VE PAID MONEY TO DO WORK ON MY HOME, UH, AND A CONTRACTOR SUSPENDED IS THE HOMEOWNER, DO I NEED TO JUST WAIT FOR THAT SUSPENSION TO BE LIFTED? I MEAN, OR DO YOU ALLOW, YOU DON'T ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR TO FINISH A JOB THAT'S ALREADY BEEN STARTED? SO IT'S NOT TO AFFECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, TO ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT, UH, PULLING, UH, THAT WAS A CONTINUED TO ATTEMPT, UH, I APOLOGIZE, I MIGHT HAVE MIS WORDED THAT, UH, WAS ATTEMPTING TO PULL PERMITS.
SO IN OUR SYSTEM, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY, UH, TO PUT A HOLD ON THAT REGISTRATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO GET A LARGE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS COMING THROUGH.
WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE WEB-BASED PORTAL, UH, TO SAY THAT IT'S A FAIL SAFE AND THERE IS NO CAPABILITY FOR THEM TO PULL A PERMIT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS FOR THAT TO BE THE CASE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME QUOTES THAT ALLOW THEM TO COME IN.
WE ALWAYS TRY TO, UH, LOOK FOR THOSE AS WELL.
UM, AS FAR AS TRYING TO SCHEDULE THE, UH, INSPECTION, IT, IT'S CHALLENGING FOR US TO FIND EVERY SINGLE PERMIT THAT'S UNDER THAT CONTRACTOR'S REGISTRATION AND, AND, UH, PUT A STOP WORK ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
THAT'S WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO CALL IN FOR THOSE INSPECTION.
UH, WE WERE CATCHING THEM BEFORE THE INSPECTION WAS COMPLETED, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, HAVING THE MANPOWER TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT WAS BEING CALLED IN.
BUT TO TRY TO RESEARCH AND FIND EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT WAS CURRENTLY IN ACT IN ACTION, UH, WAS PRETTY LABOR INTENSIVE.
NOW, MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA BE RECONSIDERING THAT PROCESS AND HOPEFULLY WITH OUR NEW ASELL SYSTEM, IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UH, SO THAT WAS KIND OF AN ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION.
UH, THE SECOND QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO WORK WITH THE CITIZENS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE TRY TO FIND EVERY AVENUE OF, UH, AVAILABILITY TO HELP KEEP THEIR PROJECTS WE MOVING FORWARD.
SO THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, OR THE, THE REGISTERED CONTRACTOR IS NOT ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WORK, UH, NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, CALL FOR INSPECTIONS DURING THAT SUSPENSION PERIOD.
THEY WOULD, IF THEY WANTED TO KEEP THAT CONTRACTOR ON STAFF, UH, AS, AS THEIR, UH, CONTRACTOR, UH, HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THAT DIS SUSPENSION HAS BEEN
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LIFTED.UH, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO, UH, TRANSFER THE PERMIT TO A NEW CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COLUMN OWNER TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, ALSO, DEPENDING ON THE STATE OF THE PROJECT, UH, SAY IF EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY MUCH FINISHED AND ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ACTUALLY CALL IN TO JUST GET A FINAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH, UH, CONTRACTORS OR THE HOMEOWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS, UH, TO TRY TO ANY INSPECTIONS, UH, THAT WE CAN TO, UM, TO HELP BENEFIT THEM, UH, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THE CONTRACTOR TO CONTINUE DOING THIS WORK.
THIS, UH, LIDDEL TOY ON THOSE, UH, AP NUMBERS THAT YOU, THAT HE HAD, UH, READY FOR INSPECTION.
DID ANY OF THE, UH, ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS INSPECT ANY OF THOSE JOBS THAT HE CALLED IN FOR FINAL? I BELIEVE WE MIGHT HAVE.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE.
UM, I MORE, I COULD, UM, GO AHEAD AND PULL THOSE UP AND LOOK AT THAT.
I, I, I WOULD SAY SOME OF THEM WERE, UM, AND I, I DO KNOW THE ONE SPECIFIC ONE THAT KIND OF, UH, BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION TO DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO SEE, UM, WAS, UM, AN INSPECTION THAT WAS COMPLETED, UH, WITH VARIOUS, UH, LIFE SAFETY AND CO UH, DEFICIENCY.
SO, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS MORE, IF THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE DISPUTE ON THE, UH, ON THE WORKMANSHIP ON THESE APS? I, I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO, TO ANSWER THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THAT, THAT SOLVED THE WHOLE ISSUE RIGHT THERE.
IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE AP THAT'S HAS WORKMANSHIP DEFICIENCIES, THEN I THINK THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S A NO BRAINER.
BUT UNTIL YOU FIND THAT OUT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH IT, IN MY OPINION.
CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY.
JEREMY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
WHEN DO WE GET TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS READING THE DOCUMENTATION YOU SENT ME, AND YOU'VE ANSWERED THEM WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE ON THE AGENDA.
BUT WHEN IS MR. DELUNA GONNA, UM, ACTUALLY PUT PRESENT HIS SIDE? BECAUSE I HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS WITH ALL THESE AP NUMBERS.
SO DO I, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, UH, TO ASK.
AS SOON AS, UH, THE BOARD IS FINISHED ASKING QUESTIONS OF D S D, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE HIS HIS TIME TO PRESENT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE D S D? UH, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS, UH, MR. CHAIR.
I HAVE, UH, ONE QUESTION FOR D S D, UH, JEREMY.
THESE, UM, IT, THE, THE WORDING, IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING PERMITS WERE SCHEDULED FOR INSPECTION DURING MR. DE LUNA'S SUSPENSION.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU INDICATING THAT EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NOTIFIED THAT HE WAS UNDER SUSPENSION AND SHOULDN'T BE DOING WORK, THEY CONTINUED TO CALL IN THESE INSPECTIONS? OR WERE THESE INSPECTIONS SCHEDULED, UH, PRIOR TO HIS SUSPENSION? NO, THIS WAS DURING THE, DURING THE SUSPENSION.
THEY WERE CALLING THEM ON AFTER BEING NOTIFIED AND, AND, UH, PUT ON NOTICE THAT THEY WERE SUSPENDED.
UH, SO THIS WAS, UH, I THINK WE KIND OF GOT BROUGHT UP TO SPEED THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING DURING THAT 30 DAY SUSPENSION CLOSE TOWARDS THE END OF IT.
AND, UH, WE TYPICALLY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A 95 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, NEXT DAY INSPECTION, UH, APART FROM WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED.
ALL OF THESE WERE BEING SCHEDULED DURING THAT PERIOD.
MR. SMITH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, HOW MANY OF THESE WERE NEW PERMITS? OR ARE ALL THESE LIKE A COMBINATION OF SCHEDULING EXISTING INSPECTIONS ON PERMITS, OR HOW MANY WERE NEW? I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT MOST OF THESE WOULD'VE BEEN EXISTING PERMITS.
UH, AS WE'RE SAYING, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR US TO CONTROL, UH, ISSUING NEW PERMITS DURING THE SUSPENSION.
IT'S, UH, THE SCHEDULING OF INSPECTIONS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LABOR INTENSIVE, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, THE PROPER ABILITY TO, UH, KIND OF CONTROL SCHEDULING OF INSPECTIONS.
SO FROM, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JEREMY, JEREMY, THIS IS JACK UP MORE, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING HERE PRETTY CLEARLY ON YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION THAT DURING HIS SUSPENSION YOU HAD 48, APPROXIMATELY 48 APS THAT WERE BEING STILL WORKED ON WHILE HE WAS UNDER SUSPENSION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT IS WHAT OUR DOCUMENTS SHOWING.
LOOK, REVIEWING ALL THE INSPECTIONS.
UH, THIS IS MARK BEAMS. JUST SO THAT I, UH, FOR CLARIFICATION, JEREMY, THE ORIGINAL SUSPENSION WAS ISSUED FOR WORKING WITHOUT PERMITS OR FOR POOR WORKMANSHIP OR BOTH.
COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT? CORRECT.
UM, SO FOR CLARIFICATION, THE,
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THE QUALITY, THE CO COMPLIANT ISSUES, THE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE SUSPENSION.UM, THE SUSPENSION WAS DUE TO NOT HAVING THE PROPER LICENSED INDIVIDUALS ON SITE DURING A PROJECT.
UM, THE REASON WE KIND OF BROUGHT UP, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS, IT DSDS CONCERN, IT'S AFFECTED IT'S LACK OF OVERSIGHT AS THE MASTER, UH, OVERSEEING ALL THESE PROJECTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, ONE HOLDING THE REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING THAT THE QUALITY OF, OF, OF THE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, CALLING IN FOR FINAL, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS HERE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PROCESS OF A PROJECT, THIS, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE.
THE, THE PROBLEM HERE IS THIS IS THE STATE.
IT WAS WHEN SOMEBODY CALLED IN FOR THE FILE.
SO NOBODY WAS OUT THERE THAT, UH, HAS THE, THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE LICENSURE TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS PROJECT ISN'T READY FOR A FINAL TO BE CALLED IN, SO WE STILL GOTTA COMPLETE THESE THING.
UH, SO WE WEREN'T SEEING THAT TYPE OF OVERSIGHT, WHICH WAS CONCERNING, UH, YOU KNOW, AS THE MASTER ALL THAT DEPARTMENTSHIP ULTIMATELY, UH, IS UNDER HIS PURVIEW AND NEEDS TO BE, UH, INSPECTED AND INSURED, UH, BEFORE ANY INSPECTIONS WERE CALLED OUT.
UH, SAME THING WITH THE QUALITY OF WORK LEVEL ISSUES THAT WE HAD.
UH, THE FIRST SUSPENSION WAS ONLY, UH, FOR THIS ADDRESS WHERE IT WAS CONFIRMED TO THAT THEY WERE USING UNLICENSED OR, UH, I'M SORRY, APPRENTICE LEVEL, UH, CONTRACTORS WITH NO JOURNEYMAN AND NO DIRECT OVERSIGHT AS REQUIRED BY STATE.
SO THE SUSPENSION, WAS THE SU THE SUSPENSION SOLELY FOR 8 0 8 NEVADA ADDRESS, OR WAS IT FOR ALL WORK PROVIDED BY HIS COMPANY, SPECIFICALLY FOR 8 0 8 NEVADA, UH, WHERE WE DID HAVE CONFIRMATION OF THE INADEQUATE, UM, WORK, WORK WORKERS ON SITE, UH, WITH JUST AN APPRENTICE LICENSE, NOT A ON SITE, THEY SUSPENDED HIM.
UH, THIS IS IIN THOMAS DEVELOPED SERVICES.
I THINK, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, WHEN WE SUSPEND SOMEBODY, WE ARE TECHNICALLY SUSPENDING THEIR REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY.
SO IT DOES AFFECT ANY JOB THEY HAVE, NOT JUST THE JOB THAT WE, UH, FOUND, UH, THE DEFICIENCY OR THE VIOLATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS BIG BECAUSE IF IT WAS JUST THIS ADDRESS, THEN THE OTHER WORK WOULD'VE BEEN, WORK SHOULD WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO BE, YOU KNOW, MOVE ON, BUT CORRECT.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS MIKE S I THINK A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE ALLUDED TO THIS, BUT, UH, JUST FOR, FOR MY BENEFIT, UH, THAT NUMBER OF, OF OPEN APS, IT SEEMS LARGE TO ME.
IS THAT A STANDARD, YOU KNOW, LOAD FOR ONE ELECTRICIAN TO HAVE THAT MANY PERMITS OPEN AT A TIME? OR IS THAT, UH, OBSCENELY LARGE AND POSSIBLY AN INDICATION THAT HE'S SHOPPING HIS LICENSE? THAT'S THE FIRST INDICATION IN THIS ROLE THAT I SAW.
THAT WAS THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD.
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ADEQUATE, UH, DATA AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF PERMITS CURRENTLY HELD OPEN BY ALL THE DIFFERENT TRADES THAT SPECIFICALLY ELECTRICALS TO BE ABLE TO INDICATE THAT THAT TIMEFRAME, UH, INDICATES THAT SPECIFICALLY.
UH, SO I, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE CONFIRMATION OF THAT AS THE CONCERN.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS THE TIMEFRAME OF THOSE PERMITS AND HOW LONG THEY BEEN AND, AND WHEN WERE THEY PULLED, HOW MANY OF THOSE LICENSES WERE PERMITS WERE PULLED BEFORE A LICENSE SUSPENSION? UM, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? UH, IT, I WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD TAKE ME A FEW MINUTES TO, UH, TRY TO AT LEAST PULL UP SOME OF THESE, UH, MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UH, POSSIBLY, MAYBE WHILE THE BOARD IS HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, THEIR APPELLANT AND, UH, ANSWERING SOME QUESTIONS THEM, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THAT FOR YOU.
THIS IS AMIN, TOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I GUESS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
THE ISSUE ON HAND IS THE CONTRACTOR WAS SUSPENDED FOR 30 DAYS, AND THEN HE KEPT WORKING ON OTHER PROJECTS, AND THAT'S WHY WE REVOKED HIS REGISTRATION FOR NOW.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN THOSE PERMITS WERE PULLED.
I MEAN, IF HE STILL WORKING ON THEM, REGARDLESS IF THEY CAME PRIOR TO THE SUSPENSION OR, OR DURING, OR AFTER.
I MEAN, UH, THIS JACK UP MORE, AND I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ONE LITTLE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHAT IS THE GENERAL PROCEDURE?
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IF YOU SUSPEND SOMEBODY AND HE HAS 48 JOBS GOING, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU CALL EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROJECT OWNER RESIDENTS, DEVELOPERS SURE.TO LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, YOUR JOB'S BEEN SHUT DOWN.
HE'S NOT GONNA BE OVER HERE FOR 30 DAYS.
WE'RE WORKING WITH HIM TO GET HIM CLEANED UP, OR, OR, SURE.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS' DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I THINK JEREMY DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
BUT OVERALL CONFLICT IS IF WE FIND VIOLATION, WE DO REACH OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR TO LET HIM KNOW.
AND WE DO SEND, UH, A CERTIFIED LETTER IN THE MAIL AND WE SEND, SEND THE SAME LETTER AND REGULAR MAIL.
SO WE, WE TRY TO NOTIFY THE CONTRACTOR IN THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.
NORMALLY THIS IS FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, ELECTRICAL PERMITS ARE SUB PERMITS TO THE MAIN PERMIT.
SO THE CONTRACTOR, THE MAIN PERMIT WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THE SUB PERMIT.
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT THAT IS CORRECT, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, IF IT'S PURELY JUST AN ELECTRICAL WORK, THE PERMIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR D S D? SO, REAL QUICK, YES, I DO HAVE JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I, I WAS ABLE TO PULL UP, UH, LIKE OUR STAFF WAS ABLE TO, UH, CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT HAD ALL A LOT OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE, UM, PERMITS, UH, THOSE AP NUMBERS ASSOCIATED.
SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE NOW, UH, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST ONE.
LOOKS LIKE, UH, THAT APPLICATION WAS PROCESSED ON MAY 19TH.
SO, UH, THIS, SO SOME OF THESE, UH, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OLDER.
JEREMY, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK? CORRECT.
UM, COULD EVERYBODY SELF MUTE WHILE WE'RE, SO WE DON'T GET FEEDBACK? THANK YOU.
I'M TRYING TO GET THE, SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN FOR CLARIFICATION, THE, UH, SUSPENSION WENT LIVE ON MAY 18TH.
UH, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THESE, THESE PERMITS WERE, SOME OF 'EM WERE BEING PULLED THROUGH THE WEB, UH, MAY 19 LOOKS, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS KIND OF SAYING, ARE, UH, THERE ARE SOME LOOPHOLES, UH, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THESE VERY MINOR PERMITS.
AND OUR SYSTEM ISN'T SET UP TO REALLY KIND OF CATCH, UH, CONTRACTORS SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK, ESPECIALLY WHEN USING THE WEB BASE.
UH, TYPICALLY IT WOULD BE WHEN THEY COME IN AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, UH, THAT TAKES SOMEBODY FROM D S D TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO, UH, LOOK AT IT AND REVIEW, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE MORE AUTOMATED ONES.
SO YOU'RE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING TO CATCH.
BUT, UH, YOU'RE, THESE ARE THE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE SCOPE OF WORK WHEN THE PERMITS WERE ISSUED, UH, AND, UH, SOME OF THE INSPECTIONS THAT WERE SCHEDULED DURING THAT TIME.
SO IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO KIND OF LOOK INTO 'EM, BUT WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, AMID WAS GETTING READY TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE HE GOT CUT OFF.
SO BEFORE WE GO TO THE APPELLATE, CAN WE HEAR WHAT AMID HAD TO SAY? SURE.
SO, YES, WHAT, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, UH, ANSWER BASICALLY, UH, JACK'S QUESTIONS.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE NOTIFICATION, WE SENT THREE DIFFERENT NOTIFICATIONS, PHONE AND CERTIFIED MAIL.
AND AGAIN, THE, THE, THE LETTER STATES THAT THEIR REGISTRATION IS SUSPENDED FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE 30 DAYS IN, IN THIS CASE.
AND THAT, THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR D S D? THIS IS LOUIS.
UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, CONFIRMATION, UH, FROM THE, UH, MR. LUNA THAT HE RECEIVED THAT, UH, NOTIFICATION OF TERMINATION OF, UH, LICENSING? THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I WOULD'VE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH TO, TO CONFIRM THAT.
UH, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE ALWAYS USE
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THE DOC THE, UH, INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US ON THAT REGISTRATION.SO WE SEND IT CERTIFIED MAIL TO THE ADDRESS THAT THEY DOCUMENT AS THE ADDRESS THAT'S TIED TO THEIR REGISTRATION, REGISTRATION, AS WELL AS THE EMAIL ADDRESS AND THE PHONE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED.
TYPICALLY, UH, THIS SLOWEST OLIS, AGAIN, TYPICALLY ON, UH, CERTIFIED LETTERS, YOU HAVE TO SIGN A RECEIPT THAT YOU GOT IT.
UH, WAS THERE A, A RETURN RECEIPT, UH, TO WHERE IT, UH, CLARIFIED THAT HE GOT IT? THAT'S THE INFORMATION I DON'T HAVE READILY AVAILABLE.
UH, SO I WOULD'VE TO RESEARCH THAT AND FIND IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR D S D? OKAY.
UH, JEREMY, I THINK THIS TIME IT'D BE TIME TO BRING, UH, MR. DELUNIS PRESENTATION FORWARD.
MR. RAMIREZ, CAN YOU UNMUTE? HEY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SO, UH, THE SUSPENSION WAS FOUR 30 DAYS, BUT THAT, UH, ADDRESS ITSELF, UH, NEEDED THREE MORE MONTHS WORTH OF WORK TO BE COMPLETED THERE.
AND SO AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
NO, WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS THAT ON THAT PROPERTY, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE ADDRESS, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE ELECTRICIANS ON THAT JOB.
THERE WAS PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHO WAS THE PERSON THAT SUSPENDED MY LICENSE.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR HERE, UH, AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, I'M THE ONE WHO SUSPENDED HIS, UH, REGISTER THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, JUST SO YOU CAN SUSPEND YOUR, OKAY.
SO IT WAS SOME, UH, INSPECTOR, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS, UH, MR. RENAN.
UM, MR. BURNELL IS THE CHIEF FOR A TEAM, FOR THE STRIKE TEAM.
SO HE'S THE ONE WHO NORMALLY DEALS WITH THE CUSTOMER, UH, ON DAY TO DAY OR ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT HE WILL PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION TO ME AND I REVIEW IT.
AND DEPENDING ON WHAT I FIND, I MIGHT SUSPEND SOMEBODY OR NOT, DEPENDING ON, ON WHAT I FIND.
SO, AGAIN, THE DECISION FOR THE SUSPENSION IS FROM ME, NOT FROM, UH, JOSEPH.
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I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE INSPECTOR.I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MR. VENA CAN BE THE INSPECTOR IF HE DOES NOT HAVE A LICENSE OR CERTIFICATION FOR ELECTRICIAN.
AND TO BE ABLE TO BE THE CHIEF INSPECTOR IN THE STATE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR MASTER'S LICENSE.
THIS IS, I MEAN, THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THAT IS CORRECT.
FOR THE ELECTRICAL CHIEF INSPECTOR.
AND WE DO HAVE ELECTRICAL CHIEF INSPECTOR WHO IS LICENSED AND CERTIFIED BY THE STATE.
THEY JUST FIND PROJECTS THAT BEING WORKED ON WITHOUT PERMIT OR WITHOUT LICENSED PEOPLE THERE.
AND BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, HE IS, UH, QUALIFIED TO DO THAT WORK OF MY, UM, I THE AC CAN YOU SEND ME A COPY OF HIS CERTIFICATION? BECAUSE I JUST SEE ONE THAT HE HAS HIS, UH, CERTIFICATION FOR AC AGAIN, BY THE STATE RULES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE CERTIFICATIONS OR REGISTRATION OR LICENSE WITH THE STATE TO BE AN INSPECTOR AS A CHIEF FOR OVERALL INSPECTIONS, NOT AS A SPECIFIC DISCIPLINE.
THEY NEED TO HAVE THE MECHANICAL, THE ELECTRICAL, NEED TO HAVE THE ELECTRICAL.
AND THE TEAM, THE STRIKE TEAM DOES HAVE INSPECTORS WHO HAVE THOSE QUALIFICATIONS.
THEY PROVIDE EVERYTHING TO JOSEPH PARAL, WHO IS THE CHIEF, AND THEN HE PROVIDES THAT TO ME.
HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, CITY OFFICIALS HAVING CERTIFICATIONS OR, OR VALID LICENSES.
UH, WHAT ABOUT THE REAL REASON THAT HE WAS, UH, REVOKED OF THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE STATE CERTIFIED, UH, LICENSED, UH, JOURNEYMAN ON THE JOB.
THAT WAS THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY OUR CITY OFFICIALS ON HOLD ON THIS.
SO WHERE ARE THE CERTIFICATIONS FOR THOSE GUYS, AND WHY ARE WE HAVING JOB PER, UH, JOBS BEING TAKEN CARE OF BY APPRENTICES? SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
SO IT DOES, AND HE, AND HE'S RIGHT THERE, IS, IF THE STATE, UH, T D L R GOT INVOLVED, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD GET, THEN THEY WOULD ALSO GET THE CITY INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO SUPERVISION ON THE JOB SITE.
AND THAT WAS THE, THE, THAT WAS THE FIRST ORIGINAL REASON WHY THIS JOB WAS PUT ON HOLD.
SO IT, IT COULD BE ANYBODY, ANY CITY OFFICIAL THAT CAN COME IN AND STATE, BECAUSE IT IS A STATE MANDATE THAT, THAT THAT JOB IS MANDATE IS SUPERVISED BY A GENTLEMAN OR A MASTER.
AND THERE WAS NEITHER ONE OF 'EM ON SITE.
I AGREE WITH MR. VASQUEZ'S COMMENTS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YES, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
I, I AGREE WITH MR. VASQUEZ'S COMMENT, BUT THE BIG ISSUE TO ME HERE IS NOT THE NOTIFICATIONS AND THE PERMITS AND SUSPENSIONS.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE ELECTRICAL JOURNEYMEN NOT WORKING UNDER, I MEAN, ELECTRICAL APPRENTICES NOT WORKING UNDER OUR JOURNEYMEN OR MASTER ELECTRICIANS.
AND OBVIOUSLY FROM THE DOCUMENTATION SUBMITTED BY CITY STAFF, THESE ARE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.
TO MY MIND, THAT'S THE PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT WOULD CAUSE ME TO SAY, HEY, I, I AGREE 100% WITH THE CITY STAFF.
YOU CANNOT AFFORD THE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT, WHAT STAFF HAS DOCUMENTED.
AND THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT IT, IT COULD BE CODE COMPLIANCE, UH, UH, IT COULD BE THE, UH, STRIKE TEAM.
AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING OUT FOR LIFE SAFETY AND, UH, CERTIFIED ON THE JOB SITE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OH, YEAH, YEAH, BECAUSE HE'S NOT TALKING.
DOES, DOES MR. UNA HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THIS AT THIS TIME? JENNIFER,
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I JUST WANNA HEAR YOUR DECISION.WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? THAT'S ALL? WELL, DO YOU QUESTION, MY QUESTION IS TO THE INTERPRETER, DID WE, DID WE LET HIM KNOW WHAT OUR STATEMENTS WERE JUST NOW? OR DOES HE UNDERSTAND? UH, YES, SIR.
I WAS INTERPRETING DURING THE WHOLE, UH, DISCUSSION SO HE COULD HEAR EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THE INTERPRETER WAS INTERPRETING EVERYTHING AS IT WAS BEING SAID.
THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY IN THAT CASE, TO EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS, UH, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, MR. HANLEY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT YES, WE COULD DO THAT BEFORE WE VOTE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF THERE WEREN'T ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, THAT WAS MY NEXT NEXT LINE OF PROCEDURE FROM WHAT IT SAID.
UH, BEFORE WE VOTE, THIS IS MARK BEUS HERE.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT, AS, AS IT'S THE, GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS HERE THAT WE ARE NOW, UH, TAKING ACTION ON AN ACTUAL REVOCATION OF HIS LICENSE AND, UH, NOT FURTHER SUSPENSION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IS FOR CLARIFICATION, DO WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT THAT THAT'S REVOKED? IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING? THIS IS, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD, I'M SORRY.
UH, JIM JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, SO THE REVOCATION IS TECHNICALLY DOESN'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON IT, UH, BUT BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM IS, UH, THE, THE REGISTERED CONTRACTOR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESUBMIT FOR REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY AFTER ONE YEAR.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE NORMAL PROCESS OF COMING IN AND GETTING A NEW REGISTRATION, UH, FOR ANY CONTRACTOR.
AND AT THAT POINT, THE, UH, WE WOULD EVALUATE THE, THE REGISTRATION, UH, LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND MAKE A DECISION FROM THERE.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, HE WOULD HAVE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY.
IF, IF, IF WE ACCEPT IT, THEN WE, UM, GIVE HIM HIS REGISTRATION BACK.
IF WE DENY IT, THEN HE CAN APPEAL THAT DENIAL AS WELL.
BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S A KIND OF A ONE YEAR SUSPENSION FROM BEING ABLE TO BE, UH, TO REAPPLY, UH, AND THEN RE RE-REVIEWED BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT THAT TIME.
UM, JEREMY, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE OPEN APS THAT NEED FINAL INSPECTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE INSPECTORS GO BACK AND SEE A BUNCH OF WORK THAT'S INCOMPLETE? SO WHERE DO, WHERE DO YOU MOVE ON FROM THERE? UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR OR THE HOMEOWNER, UH, DEPENDING ON WHO'S, UH, UH, WORKING WITH, UM, THE OPEN PERMIT, UM, TO, UH, EITHER HELP THEM FIND A NEW CONTRACTOR.
I'M NOT BY, YOU KNOW, APPOINTING A NEW CONTRACTOR, BUT ALLOWING A NEW CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND GET A COMPLETION PERMIT, UH, TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
UM, OR DEPENDING ON WHERE THE STATE OF THE, THE HOUSE IS, IF, IF EVERYTHING WAS COMPLETED AND IT JUST NEEDED AN INSPECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, BY CASE, BY CASE, UH, PROCESS, WE, WE HAVE GONE BACK OUT JUST TO LOOK AND SEE, OKAY, IT IS DONE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CLOSE THAT PERMIT OUT AND ALLOW THE PROJECT TO CONTINUE IN THAT SENSE.
BUT IF THERE'S STILL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED, A A REGISTERED CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT'S ACTIVE CITY WOULD'VE TO BE THE ONE
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO WORK THAT HE'S ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR, AND IF IT'S FOUND TO BE STILL INADEQUATE, HE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO BACK AND FIX THOSE ITEMS THAT HE'S ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR.
UH, AMIN WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR ME? YES.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, TECHNICALLY IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY, THEY CANNOT DO ANY WORK, UH, DURING THAT TIME UNTIL THEY OBTAIN REGISTRATION OR, OR PRE-NEW OR RENEW THEIR, THEIR REGISTRATION.
SO I GUESS ONE LAST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC FROM THE PUBLIC, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? THAT IS CORRECT.
WE HAVE NO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
AND SO I GUESS ONE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE BEFORE I ENTERTAIN MR. HANLEY'S MOTION.
I GUESS ONE LAST
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OF A LOT OF BUSINESS, IS THIS IS THE COMMON PROCEDURE OF, OF THE CORRECT WAY TO, UH, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UH, WHEN I SEE 48 OPEN APS, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK THAT, UH, SOMEBODY'S EITHER PAID FOR OR IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, AS IF AS AN OWNER OR AS A CONTRACTOR, I'D BE GOING, OKAY, NOW I'VE GOTTA GO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE AND PAY SOMEBODY ELSE TO FINISH SOMEBODY ELSE'S WORK THAT DIDN'T DO IT.THAT WOULD BE QUITE FRUSTRATING, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF IT.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, I'M NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION, JUST MAKING A CLARIFICATION.
SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME.
UH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, UH, MI UH, MR. TMORE, UH, ON THAT SITUATION THERE.
UM, MY PROBLEM IS, IS THE FACT THAT THERE, IF THERE'S THIS JOB WITH A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE, HOW MANY OF THESE 48 ARE THERE? AND THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS.
IF THE, IF, IF WORK LIKE THAT WAS SHOWN, UM, THEN HOW MANY OF THOSE OTHER PROJECTS, LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, EITHER THAT WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M CONCERNED.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD RATHER HAVE A DIFFERENT CONTRACTOR FINALIZE THOSE PROJECTS.
SPENCER AMEL, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT TOO IS I DON'T SEE A RECTIFICATION OF THE SITUATION FROM MR. RAMIREZ.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONE OUT OR WAS HAVING ISSUES WITH LICENSED JOURNEYMAN PLUMBER OR, UH, ELECTRICIANS ON THE JOB SITE, AND HE'S GOTTEN SOME SENSE OR JUST A WAY TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF THAT FROM HIM.
UH, I THINK THAT'S A, THIS ISN'T A SINGULAR ACTIVITY.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A, UH, A CONTINUOUS ISSUE THAT HAS NOT HAD ANY RECTIFICATION.
COULD I ENTERTAIN? I, I AGREE WITH AT THIS TIME.
MR. HANLEY, I HAD STOPPED YOU FROM MAKING A MOTION EARLIER.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO STILL MAKE A MOTION? YES, I'D STILL THE SAME MOTION.
I RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, BOARD ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ISSUE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? WE'RE ON A SECOND MOTION.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS? THAT'S THE ONE YEAR FULL SUSPENSION, CORRECT.
JUST, JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.
ONE YEAR FOR JUST, THIS IS MARK PIMAS AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION.
IT'S NOT A FULL ONE YEAR SUSPENSION.
WE'RE REVOKING HIS LICENSE PERIOD.
BUT HE CANNOT COME BACK FOR A, FOR A YEAR.
UH, CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, IF I WANNA PUT A QUALIFICATION ON MY MOTION, SINCE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A SECOND, IS TO MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE OF, UH, MAY 18TH.
SO THAT MAY 18TH, 2021, HE CAN REAPPLY.
THAT WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO IT, BUT WE DO HAVE A SECOND.
I WOULD, I WOULD'VE SECOND IT WITH THE, UH, REVISION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FOR DISCUSSION? SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS, THIS IS MIKE RUS AGAIN, I, I'VE SAID THIS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THIS BEFORE, BUT I FEEL OBLIGATED TO SAY IT AGAIN.
I FIND THE, THE APPELLANT'S, UM, RESPONSE KIND OF DISTASTEFUL, AND BASICALLY IT WAS JUST CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE YOU TO, TO SUSPEND ME? AND I, I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS VERY MUCH.
UM, BUT STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PERMITS FOR A REASON.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY, UH, VERY FEW ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS ARE PASSED ON THE FIRST TIME.
GO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ITEMS WHEN IT WAS CALLED OUT FOR FINAL.
I JUST, I REALLY, REALLY HESITATE TO TAKE SOMEONE'S LIVELIHOOD AWAY, ESPECIALLY IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN NOW.
I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REALLY, UM,
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DRASTIC, THAT PENALTY, THAT PENALTY IS, IS, IS DRASTIC.YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD WORD FOR IT.
UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT WAS, UH, DOING UNPERMITTED WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE STATUS OF THE OTHER APS THAT WERE OPEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, MANY COUPLE LIFETIMES AGO, I WORKED AS A SUPERVISOR FOR A PRODUCTION HOME BUILDER.
UH, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF HOUSES THAT, THAT I, THAT I PERSONALLY SUPERVISED BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK I SAW A MASTER ELECTRICIAN ON SITE.
YOU, GRANTED, YOU'RE NOT GONNA JUST HAVE APPRENTICES, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD LOTS OF INSPECTIONS.
WE PASSED LOTS OF INSPECTIONS.
EVERYTHING WAS SATISFACTORY WHEN IT WAS ALL SAID DONE.
THAT'S PART OF THE INSPECTION PROCESS.
UM, SO I, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE I, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT, ABOUT A REVOCATION IN THIS CASE ON MUTE.
CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
MIKE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE LIVELIHOOD IMPACT, BUT WOULD YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY IF THIS NON CODE NOT, UH, VIOLATION OF, OF THE N E C A CAUSED A DEATH OR PROPERTY DAMAGE? UH, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I, AND I SUPPOSE I WOULD IF HE DID WORK, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAD THE INSPECTIONS FOR, FOR A REASON.
YOU KNOW, THE, I COULDN'T, THE PICTURE WENT BY PRETTY QUICK, BUT THE CEILING SLICE LOOKED LIKE IT WAS DONE IN A JUNCTION BOX AS, AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS DONE PROPERLY.
UM, AND SO I JUST, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, A FINAL INSPECTION DONE HAS, HAS RESULTED IN, IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE INSPECTIONS, THEY CATCH THINGS.
THAT'S WHAT INSPECTIONS ARE THERE FOR.
UM, I FIND COMPELLING HIS WRITTEN RESPONSE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY MAKES MISTAKES.
AND I, GRANTED THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A, A BLAND COMMENT, BUT STILL IT'S TRUE.
UM, I KNOW THE CONTRACTORS IN THE ROOM WOULD SAY THAT NOBODY WOULD STAND UP AND SAY THAT THEY'VE NEVER, UH, PULLED A PERMIT ON A PROJECT.
UM, NOBODY'S PULLED A PERMIT ON A PROJECT THAT HAD A PRETTY EGREGIOUS FAILURE ITEM ON AN INSPECTION.
I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO, TO SAY THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT CAUSED, THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE SUSPENSION, THE ORIGINAL SUSPENSION, AND THEN THE REVOCATION IS BECAUSE HE CONTINUED TO DO WORK FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE COUNTING ON HIM TO GET WORK DONE FOR PERMITS THAT WERE ALREADY, UM, THAT WERE ALREADY IN PROCESS, UH, TRYING TO CALL INSPECTIONS FOR IN FOR THEM.
SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I WISH WE HAD ANOTHER TOOL, LIKE A FINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT IN OUR TOOL BAG, UM, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THAT, THAT THIS WARRANTS, UM, A FULL REVOCATION.
AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VERBAL RESPONSE FROM THE APPELLANT SAID THAT I DID NOT FIND VERY COMPELLING.
I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WARRANTED OR DIDN'T COME ACROSS MAYBE THE WAY INTENDED.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'D BE MY RESPONSE TO THAT.
SO MIKE, UH, JACK UP MORE AGAIN, AND I AS A, A CONTRACTOR, GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR A LONG TIME, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS ON, UH, WORK THAT IS NOT DONE CORRECTLY, THAT WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT WE CONTINUALLY HAVE, UH, WHETHER IT BE INSPECTORS, ARCHITECTS, UH, HOMEOWNERS, EVERYBODY LOOKING AT THE WORK, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOTTA BE FINISHED AND IT'S GOTTA BE FINISHED CORRECTLY, AND IT'S GOTTA BE FINISHED TOWARD TO EVERYBODY'S ACCEPTABLE DESIRES.
AND THE, THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF ASKING BEFORE THE COMMONALITY OF A ISSUE LIKE THIS THROUGH THE CITY, WHEN THESE INSPECTORS ARE SEEING, UH, THE SAME ISSUES THAT YOU AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT, JOB AFTER JOB AFTER JOB, BUT THEY'RE CONSTANTLY FINDING SOMETHING WRONG, AND THEN YOU GIVE 'EM THE INSPECTION REPORT, YOU GO BACK AND YOU FIX IT.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S DONE.
AND TO, TO THIS, TO GET TO THIS EXTREME, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR FIVE YEARS OF, OR EXISTENCE IN THIS, ON THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS.
AND I, I, WE, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THEIR INSPECTION DEPARTMENT, AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP TO AM MEAN TO FINALLY SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
OR IT WAS JUST, IT WAS MORE THAN NEVADA STREET ISSUE.
IT WAS PERPETUAL AND CONTINUOUS.
THAT, THAT THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN DETERMINED THAT THIS ONE CONTRACTOR, EVEN IN LIGHT OF THIS TIME, IS CREATING A, AN ISSUE WHERE HE IS NOT RESOLVING THE ISSUES, HE IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY SAID TO DO.
AND IF, IF, IF THAT'S TRULY THE CASE, I'D LIKE THAT TO BE MORE EXPLICITLY TOLD TO US, MAYBE BY, BY, UH, A MEAN OR SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, THIS IS NOT JUST A COMMON,
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UH, WE HAD AN INSPECTION AND THEY DIDN'T FIX IT, OR THEY KEPT DOING WORK, BUT WE TOLD 'EM NOT TO.'CAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN EVIDENCE OF THAT, THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT.
UM, HIS, HIS, IT'S JUST A, A, A LONG HISTORY OF JUST TOTALLY INCOMPETENT WORK.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UH, A HOMEOWNER COMPLAINT ABOUT WORK BEING DONE.
THERE WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, A, A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN, JUST AN APPRENTICE, UH, ON SITE.
AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN MUCH WORSE, I'D SAY IN OUR TIME HERE, WHERE IT'S NOT EVEN AN APPRENTICE WORK WORKING ON THIS.
UM, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, UM, I KNOW THAT CON UH, INSPECTORS HATE IT WHEN AN INSPECTION IS CALLED IN AND THEY INSPECT, EXPECT THE INSPECTOR TO BE, DO THE PUNCH LIST FOR HIM.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A FRUSTRATION.
UH, AND I'M SURE THAT MR. DELO IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DONE THAT.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING IN EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS THAT, THAT THAT'S TRUE.
THAT HE'S JUST A, A HORROR SHOW OF A CONTRACTOR.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IS, UH, HE WAS CAUGHT WITH AN APPRENTICE ONLY ON SITE AND WAS SUSPENDED.
AND DURING THAT SUSPENSION, HE KEPT TRYING TO PULL PERMITS, AND SO THEY DID A FULL REVOCATION.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION.
WHEN, UH, THIS IS LOIS CARUS AGAIN, UH, IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, IN, UH, THE PERMITS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED, THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE FAIRLY OLD.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, UH, HE WAS, UH, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM PULLING PERMITS OR JUST ORDERING INSPECTIONS OF EXISTING PERMITS? LOUIS, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, JEREMY EARLIER PICKED UP, PULLED UP THE SITE WEBSITE.
SOME OF THE PERMITS WERE ISSUED AFTER THE START OF THE SUSPENSION.
SOME OF THEM WERE ISSUED BEFORE.
AND I KNOW THAT WE AS A BOARD HAVE THE CHARGE OF, OF EITHER TAKING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR NOT.
BUT I ALSO WANNA NOT TAKE LIGHT OF THE CITY TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB, A VERY DIFFICULT JOB.
THEY HAVE TO DOT THEIR IZE AND CROSS THEIR T'S BEFORE THEY GET TO THIS POINT TO RECOMMEND A SUSPENSION.
AND SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT WORK EFFORT THAT THE CITY STAFF PUTS INTO THIS AND PRESENTS IT TO OUR COMMITTEE AND JUST SAY, TOO BAD.
BECAUSE AS NOTED EARLIER, BY JACK OR OR MIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPTION.
UH, WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
AND SO, UNLESS ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEMBER WANTS TO AMEND THE MOTION, UH, THAT I MADE, AND RON CASTILLA SECONDED, UH, I, I'D BE WILLING TO RE WITHDRAW MY MOTION IF WE COULD FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT WAS MORE FAIR OR EQUITABLE ACCORDING TO THIS COMMITTEE.
AND, AND ROBERT, TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A SUSPENSION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REVOCATION, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE OUT OF BUSINESS.
BUT JACK, IF I RETROACTIVELY MADE IT FROM THE DATE OF SUSPENSION OF MAY 18TH, YOU KNOW, HE STILL, HE'S GOT 10 MONTHS, HE DOESN'T HAVE A YEAR ANYMORE.
UH, AND, AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE, HE, HERE'S SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HE, UH, THAT THE, UH, THAT HE HAD MADE HIMSELF WAS, YOU KNOW, OTHER ELECTRICIANS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THERE.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT YOU COULD, WHENEVER THERE'S A DISCREPANCY ON A PROJECT OR YOU DON'T KNOW IF, IF HOW THIS INSPECTION'S GOING TO GO, AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING BY CODE, WHETHER, AND, AND, AND YET YOU FEEL LIKE THE INSPECTOR'S NOT GONNA AGREE WITH IT OR WHATEVER THE CASE.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT EVERY INSPECTOR, YOU CAN CALL THEM BEFORE THE INSPECTION, HAVE A DISCUSSION, AND THEN BEFORE THE PROJECT'S DONE, IF THERE'S A DISCREPANCY, UH, WITH OTHER PEOPLE, UH, ON THE JOB, UH, THAT HAVE DONE WORK, YOU KNOW, HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL IN THE INSPECTORS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE WORK THAT I'M DOING, UH, BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.
HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO HANDLE IT? AND SO NONE OF THAT WAS DONE, UH, IN MY OPINION EITHER.
SO TO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO SO MANY THINGS.
AND BECAUSE THE INSPECTORS WORK FOR THE CITIZENS, UH, THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE CALLS, THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH YOU.
UH, I'VE SEEN IT FOR A FACT THAT WE'RE A LOT OF CONTRACTORS THAT I DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO THEM WHEN THEY RUN INTO A PROBLEM IS CALL THE INSPECTOR, SEE WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR AHEAD OF TIME, AND THAT THAT, AND NONE OF THAT WAS DONE.
SO, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER, AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS, YES, I AGREE WITH MR. ELMORE.
I, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STANDARDS SET IN PLACE.
THE CITY HAS A HARD JOB TO, UH, FOLLOW THESE STANDARDS.
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UH, ANY, ANY STANDARD THAT'S NOT CROSSED OR, OR, OR SOMETHING GOES WRONG ON OUR PIPE, IT, IT GETS THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.I DON'T WANNA LOWER OUR STANDARDS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS.
SO I I, WHEN YOU DON'T COMMUNICATE, UM, THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE.
SO, UM, I, I'VE BEEN ON SEVERAL PROJECTS WHERE, WHERE WE WERE, WE WOULD CALL THE ENGINEERS AHEAD OF TIME AND SAY, THIS, YOUR ENGINEERING IS, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
UM, ON, ON PAPER IT DOES, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T, HERE IN THIS ASPECT, I'VE GOT BOOTLEGGERS, TAILGATE, ELECTRICIANS IN HERE THAT WERE BEFORE ME.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
SO YOU, I, YOU'VE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY AND, AND, AND IT WASN'T TAKEN.
UM, AND, AND I, I DON'T, UH, WANNA GO TO A POINT TO WHERE WE, WE ARE GOING AGAINST THE STANDARDS THAT, THAT ARE SET IN PLACE.
SO THE POINT WELL TAKEN, MR. VAZQUEZ, I THINK, UH, EVEN BEFORE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL THE INSPECTOR BEFORE THEY ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL THE INSPECTORS AFTERWARDS WHEN THEY GET A BAD INSPECTION REPORT, AND THEY LOOK AT IT, THIS SEEMS THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN THE POSITION THAT THEY HAVE, THIS ONE CONTRACTOR HAS NOT REACHED OUT OR NOT GONE THROUGH THE STANDARD PROCEDURES THAT THEY'VE SET FORTH FOR RESOLUTION FOR ALL THESE JOBS, TO A POINT THAT THEY'RE, UH, RECOMMENDING REVOCATION OF HIS LICENSE.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, UH, MR. HANLEY HAS, UH, ENTERTAINED THAT, THAT HE WOULD, UH, ADJUST HIS, OR IF SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO IT, OR EITHER THAT, OR WE'RE GONNA NEED TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS.
UM, I APPLAUD MR. HANLEY FOR HIS, UH, MOTION, AND I'D CERTAINLY VOTE FOR IT.
UM, MY FIRST COMMENT IS TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, I'M SEEING A, A, UH, A DISTURBING TREND OF THIS BOARD TO MINIMIZE THE, UH, WORK OF THE, UH, CITY STAFF AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY'RE ENFORCING.
WE'VE SEEN IT ON SEVERAL APPEALS WHERE, UH, THE CITY'S BEEN THROWN UNDER THE BUS AND, AND THE BOARD IS, UM, APPLAUDED BAD BEHAVIOR, UH, AND, AND, AND REALLY, UH, DROPPED SOME OF THE, UH, SANCTIONS THAT WERE PO, UH, POSED TO PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY VIOLATED THE LAW AND, AND VIOLATED IT KNOWINGLY.
UM, MY SECOND COMMENT IS TO MR. RUSS.
UM, I DON'T THINK RELYING SOLELY ON THE INSPECTORS TO, UH, CATCH EVERYTHING, UH, IS, IS CORRECT.
YOU, YOU, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE JOB OF THE INSPECTOR TO SEE EVERY LITTLE NOOK AND CRANNY OF A PROJECT.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE WHAT THEY'RE INSTALLING IS CODE COMPLIANT AND SAFE.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT, THEY NEED TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE, NOT THE CITY STAFF.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THIS ISSUE, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO ELECTRICAL, UH, IS VERY IMPORTANT NOT TO MINIMIZE, UH, OTHER SYSTEMS OR DISCIPLINES.
BUT I DON'T HAVE THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION STATISTICS IN FRONT OF ME.
BUT IF YOU DO LOOK AT 'EM, HOME FIRES, UH, UH, CAUSES, UH, YEARLY, UH, A LARGE MAJORITY ARE THE RESULT OF ELECTRICAL ISSUES.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE LIGHTLY.
UH, IF THE WORK'S BEING DONE POORLY AND THE WORK IS CONTINUING TO BE DONE WHILE YOU'RE SUSPENDED, UH, AND THIS IS THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO CORRECT THIS AND SET, UM, AN EXAMPLE, UM, THEN SO BE IT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT REAL FAST.
UM, JUST A COUPLE QUICK THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT.
I WOULD SAY, UH, FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A BOARD IS NOT TO JUST TAKE THE CITY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING PEOPLE AND WE'RE PAID OR NOT PAID.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THE CORRECT INIT, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERPRETATION OF DOING THAT AS THROWING THE CITY UNDER THE BUS.
UH, AMIN, JEREMY, THE WHOLE TEAM, THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO JUST RUBBER STAMP WHAT THEY SAY.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD EXPECT US TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, I'VE NEVER SAID, AND YOU'LL NEVER HEAR ME SAY THAT THE CITY, UH, IS DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THEY VIEW AS THE RIGHT THING.
UM, BUT WE ARE HERE FOR A REASON, AND I INTEND TO, UH, TO THINK THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO DO SO.
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YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT.I AGREE, YOU KNOW, IMPROPERLY DONE WORK IS, IS IS BAD.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE INSPECTIONS.
AND ABSOLUTELY THE INSPECTORS ARE NOT, UH, EXPECTED TO SEE EVERYTHING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT CONTRACTORS TO DO A GOOD JOB.
UH, THE POINT I MADE EARLIER WAS THAT WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE, UM, THAT THIS CONTRACTOR HAS A HISTORY OF REALLY BAD WORKMANSHIP.
UH, WE SAW PICTURES OF AN INSPECTION THAT WAS CALLED IN BEFORE IT WAS READY, WHICH IS SUBOPTIMAL, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND WE SAW EVIDENCE OF, UH, IN, IN ONE ADDRESS, UH, WHERE THERE WAS A SPLICE IN THE CEILING THAT WAS, AT LEAST BY MY RECOLLECTION OF THE PICTURE, UH, PROPERLY DONE WITH THE JUNCTION BOX.
THEY DIDN'T JUST TAPE IT TOGETHER AND TRY AND STICK IT IN THE CEILING.
UM, AND THERE WAS SOME INSTALLATION, INSTALLATION TROUBLE, UH, ON THE MAIN PANEL.
UH, BUT NOTHING I SAW OR HEARD INDICATES THAT THIS IS A CONTRACTOR WITH RECKLESS DISREGARD, UH, FOR THE SAFETY OF HIS CUSTOMERS OR THE SAFETY OF THE CITY AT LARGE.
AND SO THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SUSPENSION BECAUSE WE HAD AN APPRENTICE WORKING, UH, AND THEN HE TRIED TO CONTINUE TO PULL PERMITS DURING THAT SUSPENSION.
AND NONE OF THAT INDICATES, UH, SOMEBODY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, A HISTORY OF, UM, PUTTING CITIZENS IN, IN DANGER.
SO THAT, THOSE, THOSE ARE MY POINTS.
I THINK, UH, BOTH POINTS WERE, WERE WELL TAKEN AND, AND I AGREE.
OUR BOARD IS ONE THAT MORE JUDGMENT OF CONSIDERATION OF WE ALL RESPECT HIGHLY WHAT THE STAFF AND THE CITY DOES FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, AND EVEN TO A LOT OF OUR FRUSTRATION WHEN WE HAVE JOBS THAT WE'RE GOING, WHAT'S HE WANT NOW, WHAT'S THE INSPECTOR WANT NOW? BUT THEY HAVE PROCEDURES, WE GET IT.
AND I THINK THE REAL PURPOSE AND WHY I SERVE ON THIS BOARD, AND IT'S BEEN TO MAYBE GIVE A, A PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CONTRACTOR SIDE, FROM OUR SIDE OF THE BUSINESS THERE ON THE CITY SIDE WHERE THEY'RE HAVING, THEY HAVE A FINE LINE OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THROWING THEM UNDER THE BUS, WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS OF TRYING TO HELP CONTRACTORS WHEN NEED BE.
NOT ALWAYS, WE'VE NOT ALWAYS SAID EVERYBODY GETS A A PASS, IT'S BEEN, MAYBE WE ADJUST IT OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND MR. HANLEY HAS SO STATED THAT FROM HIS MOTION THAT WE WOULD SAY, THIS IS NOT A, A YEAR TILL THEY COULD COME BACK.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, I, I, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ADJUST MR. HANLEY'S, OR DO WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT HE HAS STATED? I IN, IF IT WAS ANY MORE, LESS, IF IT WAS ANY TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS AUGUST OR OCTOBER, I'D SAY GO FROM THE DAY OF.
I, I WOULDN'T WANNA LESSON, BUT IT'S ONLY ANOTHER, IT'S ONLY JULY.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO WITH THE MOTION THAT'S AT HAND.
THAT'S, THAT'S SUFFICIENT ENOUGH.
I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE MOTION AS IT STANDS.
COULD I GET A ROLL CALL FROM THE STAFF ON THE MOTION AS PRESENTED? YEAH.
DO YOU WANNA REPEAT THE MOTION JACK? CHAIRMAN? I WOULD, I WOULD SURE.
LIKE, I WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO RESTATE THE MOTION BECAUSE I DID, I DID NOT WRITE IT DOWN.
JEREMY OR JENNIFER, COULD Y'ALL RESTATE THE MOTION THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN DOWN? UH, JENNIFER, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE IT, BUT, UM, SO, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M, UH, DON'T HAVE THIS CORRECTLY, BUT, UH, THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE REVOCATION OF THE LICENSE, BUT MOVE THE, UH, DATE OF REVOCATION TO THE ORIGINAL SUSPENSION DATE OF MAY 18TH, 2020, UH, TO ALLOW FOR RE-REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY ON MAY 18TH, 2021.
COULD WE NOW HAVE THE ROLL CALL FROM THE STAFF, PLEASE? LEWIS OLIS NAY MO UH, RON TEUS, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, BETTY LAG.
SORRY, I'M GONNA SAY NA HERE'S, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND I GUESS, UM,
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I CAN KIND OF SEE BOTH POINTS, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND REVOKING HIS LICENSE FOR THE, THE INCIDENT.AND, AND THEN I CAN ALSO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HARSH WITH REGARDS TO LETTING HIM LOSE HIS LIVELIHOOD, UM, THIS REVOCATION, AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A PERMANENT THING WITH THE, THE LANGUAGE BARRIER.
IS HE GONNA UNDERSTAND THAT HE'LL BE ABLE TO REAPPLY AT THE END OF MAY? OR ARE WE SAYING THAT WE'RE ONLY REVOKING HIS LICENSE AND HE CANNOT WORK FOR THAT YEAR FROM MAY TO MAY, HAS IT? I MEAN, I'M, I'M SURE HE'S GOT OTHER PEOPLE THAT WORK.
WE'RE PAST THE DISCUSSION POINT OF THIS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS THAT IT'S, UH, VERY HARSH, BETTY, THAT WE'RE MR. LAG.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND AS EVERYBODY HAS STATED, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TAKING SOMEBODY'S LIVELIHOOD AND YOU BALANCE THAT WITH LIFE AND SAFETY THAT THE CITY IS IN CHARGE OF.
AND IT'S A VERY, UH, DIFFICULT, UH, VOTE HERE.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO THE VOTE AND, AND, 'CAUSE WE WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE PAST, UH, THE POINT OF AMENDING.
NOBODY'S RECOMMENDED AMENDING THE MOTION.
I'M IN FAVOR, QUEZ ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, ALL RESPECT, UH, ROBERT AND RON FOR THE MOTION, I'M GONNA VOTE NO ON THIS.
BILL TO IN FAVOR, BILL BRIAN SMITH.
WILLIAM BUR WILLIAM BURRIS IS IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, JACK
OKAY, SO THE MOTION PASSES, UH, TO GO WITH THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND I THINK WE HAVE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ITEM.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT, UH, VOTE CORRECT.
UM, I THOUGHT I HEARD, UH, THREE NAYS.
JENNIFER, CAN WE CONFIRM YOU DID? THAT IS CORRECT.
I THOUGHT HER, HER ACCOUNT WAS, UH, AGAIN, I HAD TEN THREE.
SO THE COUNT IS 10 TO THREE? YES.
WHO, WHO WAS THE THIRD NAY? UH, I THINK WE HAD MR. RUST.
UH, MS. LAG GRADE? UH, I THINK WE HAD MR. UH,
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MR.OH, MR. PARALIS WAS A NAME? CORRECT.
UH, MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
I'LL GET THE, UH, ON THE LINE.
I, THIS IS AMIN THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WHILE WE ARE WAITING ON THE NEXT ITEM, I JUST WANNA SAY YOU FOR, UH, EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO DROP OFF THIS CALL TO ATTEND ANOTHER MEETING THAT I NEED TO PRESENT THERE.
SO THANK YOU, AMID, YOU CAN'T DO BOTH OF THEM LIKE I'M TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW.
YOU NEED TO DROP OFF AND PICK UP THAT ONE.
I GOT THE, THAT'S ON MY CELL PHONE.
AMID, I AGREE WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE IN MISSION CONTROL, UH, PROBABLY MULTITASKING ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS AT A TIME WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO CONDUCT OUR MEETING, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
UH, AS SOON AS I'M DONE, I'LL, I'LL COME BACK.
HOPEFULLY, UH, IF YOU GUYS ARE STILL ON, I'LL, I'LL BE BACK.
AND, UH, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, WE'LL INTERRUPT YOU, BUT, UH, THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO.
YEAH, I PUT TOO MUCH TABASCO IN MY BLOODY MARY BECAUSE OF THIS
I'M GONNA HAVE ONE AFTER THAT MEETING.
I'M SORRY, I, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT WE HAVE MR. MENDOZA SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MR. PAEZ.
UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? JOSE, YOU'LL HAVE TO UNMUTE THE, UH, COMPUTER.
UH, GO AHEAD AND MUTE FOR THIS SECTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
D D WILL GO AHEAD AND PRESENT, UH, THE BOARD.
ONCE THEY'RE DONE ASKING QUESTIONS OF D S D, WE WILL, UH, GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES READY TO START? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
I WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE BACK.
UH, O BRIAN MIGHT HAVE STEPPED AWAY FOR A SECOND.
[2. Discussion and Action on appeal submitted by Jose Francisco Mendoza Soto, Metro Electric related to the suspension of his company’s registration with the City of San Antonio. ]
GET STARTED ON THE PRESENTATION OF 10.ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPEAL OF A 60 DAY SUSPENSION OF MR. PAEZ WITH METRO ELECTRIC.
UH, THE APPEAL, UH, WAS PRESENTED BY THE OWNER'S AGENT, MR. JOSE ZA.
MR. JESSE PAEZ WITH METRO ELECTRIC
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IS APPEALING THE BUILDING OFFICIALS DECISION TO SUSPEND MR. PAEZ ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION WITH D F D FOR 60 DAYS.THE SUSPENSION LETTER WAS ISSUED ON JUNE 17TH, 2020, FOR FAILURE TO OBTAIN INSPECTIONS AT ADDRESS 1 0 0 7 WEST MAGNOLIA.
THERE WAS AN INITIAL 30 DAY SUSPENSION ISSUED ON JUNE 26TH, 2019, FOR USES OF UNLICENSED CONTRACTORS FOR SIX LOCATIONS.
THE INITIAL SUSPENSION ON JUNE 26TH, 2019, UH, WAS FOR THE USE OF UNLICENSED CONTRACTORS, HAD SIX PROPERTIES.
THE SUSPENSION WAS FOR 30 DAYS, UH, FROM JUNE 26TH WAS THE INITIAL DATE OF THAT SUSPENSION, AND HE SERVED AS FULL SUSPENSION IN JUNE, 2019.
MR. PAEZ MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE BOING OFFICIAL ABOUT THESE LOCATIONS, AGREED TO PROPERLY STAFFED HIS PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, A NEW, AND HIRE A NEW FOREMAN TO OVERSEE THESE PROJECTS.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
THIS ISN'T ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT SUSPENSION EXCEPT FOR, UH, THE DURATION OF THE CURRENT SUSPENSION AS A SECOND VIOLATION.
SO THIS IS JUST REFERENCE INFORMATION OF, OF A PREVIOUS THING FROM LAST YEAR, UH, OF HIS VICE FIRST VIOLATION.
SO THE CURRENT PROJECT, UH, UP FOR SUSPENSION IS 1 0 0 7 WEST MAGNOLIA.
UH, THE PROPERTY HAD ORIGINALLY HAD A STOCK WORK ISSUED DUE TO WORK WITHOUT PERMITS BY OTHERS, UH, MR. PAEZ AND METRO ELECTRIC.
UH, THIS DIDN'T DO THE ORIGINAL WORK.
THEY WERE HIRED BY THE OWNER, UH, TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
AFTER IS, UH, DOCUMENTED THAT THE WORK WAS BEING DONE WITHOUT PERMIT, UH, MR. PAEZ RECEIVED HIS PERMIT ON APRIL 17TH, 2019.
UM, WITHIN THAT FIRST WEEK, HE COMPLETED MULTIPLE ROUGH IN AND FINAL INSPECTIONS, UH, THAT HAD MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT A LOT OF THAT WORK WAS DONE, UH, BEFORE HE WAS ON SITE.
UH, BUT THE INTENT WAS HE TOOK ON THIS PROJECT, HE MEETS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO SAY, LOOK, THIS PROJECT WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.
UH, WE, WE CONSULT WITH HIM TO BRING HIM UP TO HIM, TO BRING HIM UP TO SPEED, TO LET HIM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA TAKE ON THE FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF THE WORK AS, AS THE ELECTRICIAN, UH, TAKING ON THE PERMIT FOR THAT SCOPE OF WORK.
AND IT WAS UP TO, UH, HIS COMPANY TO CORRECT ANY CODE DEFICIENCIES AND LIFE SAFETY ITEMS, AND, UH, COMPLETE THE PERMIT AND GET A FINAL INSPECTION, CLOSE EVERYTHING OUT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS WAS ALL DURING, UH, THE MID APRIL 7TH, UH, APRIL OF 2019.
NO OTHER INSPECTIONS WERE SCHEDULED, UH, AFTER THESE INITIAL ROUGH IN AND, UH, FINAL FAILURES IN WHICH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES INDICATED WHAT ITEMS NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED.
UH, SINCE THEN, THE HOME WAS SOLD, UH, PRIOR TO THESE ISSUES BEING FIXED.
UH, SO ON MARCH 31ST, 2020, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WAS NOTIFIED BY THE NEW OWNER OF OPEN PERMITS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, SO THE, THE CURRENT OWNER HAD REACHED OUT TO US TO SAY, HEY, I STILL HAVE THESE OPEN PERMITS.
UH, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO CORRECT THEM? UH, WHAT WE DID WAS THEN REACH OUT TO MR. PAEZ, UH, ABOUT THE OPEN ELECTRICAL PERMIT.
AND MR. PAEZ WAS NOT AWARE OF THE HOME, HAD BEEN SOLD AND WAS OCCUPIED AT THE TIME.
MR. PAEZ WAS IN VIOLATION FOR FAILURE TO COMPLETE ALL THE INSPECTIONS AND CLOSE THE PERMIT AS THIS WAS MR. PAEZ SECOND VIOLATION.
HIS REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY WAS SUSPENDED FOR 60 DAYS, STARTING ON JUNE 17TH, 2020.
THIS IS THE, UH, REGISTRATION THAT WAS SENT OUT, UH, VIA EMAIL, UH, CERTIFIED MAIL.
AND, UH, WE ALSO NOTIFIED, UM, MR. PAEZ, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, HE IS HONORING THAT SUSPENSION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING INDICATING THAT HE IS CONTINUING WORK DURING THAT SUSPENSION.
HE IS JUST APPEALING, UH, THE SUSPENSION AS, AND THIS IS, UM, ONCE AGAIN THE, UH, APPEAL THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND THAT CONCLUDES DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PRESENTATION ON THIS APPEAL.
UH, FORD, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE D S A STAFF REGARDING THIS APPEAL? I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PERTINENT, IS, IS THIS THE SAME ADDRESS THAT WE, ONE OF THE ADDRESSES THAT WE DEALT WITH, UH, LAST TIME IN JUNE? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO, UM, MULTIPLE, UH, CONTRACTORS THAT WERE BROUGHT IN TO HELP COMPLETE THIS PROJECT AND GET IT UP TO CODE COMPLIANCE DID HAVE, UH, DEFICIENCIES AND, UH, WERE ADDRESSED INDIVIDUALLY, UH, ONCE WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT BY THE ZONING HOMEOWNER, UH, AND THAT MARCH 31ST TIMEFRAME.
THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A, A PREVIOUS APPEAL.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, CONTRACTOR TOOK OVER THE HOME.
THERE'S LOTS OF WORK THAT REMAINED TO BE COMPLETED.
UH, THAT WORK WAS OBVIOUSLY COMPLETED, BUT NO, UH, INSPECTIONS WERE EVER CALLED IN.
IS THAT THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, SO NOT TO SAY THAT THIS WORK WAS SPECIFICALLY COMPLETED BY HIS COMPANY.
SO A LOT OF THINGS, I THINK THE STATE OF THE HOUSE WHEN WE FIRST GOT THERE WAS, WAS PRETTY MUCH READY TO MOVE IN.
THEY WERE TRYING TO, UH, UH, SELL THE
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PROPERTY ORIGINALLY BACK IN, UH, 2019.UH, WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR OR WITH THE HOMEOWNER TO GET CONTRACTORS ON SITE, COMPLETE THE WORK, BRING IT UP TO CODE.
UH, SO THE HOUSE WAS LOOKED FINISHED, BUT THERE WAS CODE COMPLIANT DEFICIENCIES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND THEN THE PRO PROCESS FOR THAT IS, AS THEY'RE HIRING NEW CONTRACTORS, BEFORE WE ISSUE THE PERMIT, WE REQUIRE THEM TO SIT DOWN WITH US.
WE BRING 'EM UP TO SPEED TO SAY, LOOK, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WORK WASN'T DONE BY YOU, THAT YOU'RE KIND OF TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CO COMPLIANT, UH, SO THAT TO ENSURE THAT THE HOMEOWNER, UH, OR PROPERTY OWNER, UM, HAS A FULLY CO COMPLIANT, UH, HOME, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, SO THIS IS MARK BEUS HERE.
I, I'M SORRY TO MAYBE REITERATE, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE DETAILS OF THE VIOLATION NOW.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MIKE WAS JUST SAYING.
SO SO FAR AS WE KNOW THE WORK WAS DONE, THE PERMIT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT WAS AN ISSUE OF, UH, PROCEDURAL ISSUE OF NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH TO CLOSEOUT PERMITS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCERN, UM, AND WHAT WE DO, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER, UM, SOMEBODY'S TAKING OVER ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, WE WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO COMPLETE THESE, UM, GET 'EM TAKEN CARE OF FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, BUY THAT PROPERTY AND IS NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BOUGHT INTO A HOUSE THAT'S NON CO COMPLIANT AND HAS OPEN PERMITS AND HAS ISSUES.
UH, SO IT'S PROCEDURAL SUSPENSION OF NOT HAVING COMPLETED HIS INSPECTIONS, UH, FIX THE WORK THAT HAD ISSUES.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THEY TAKE SOMETHING ON AND THEY KIND OF SEE HOW MUCH WORK THERE IS, AND THEY NEED TO WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNER, UH, TO GET ADDITIONAL PAYMENTS.
AND IF THAT PAYMENT DOESN'T COME THROUGH, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO WORK FOR FREE.
UH, BUT THEY DO, AS THAT PERMIT HOLDER, UH, ARE OBLIGATED TO BE CHECKED OUT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT AND LET US KNOW, HEY, THIS WORK ISN'T COMPLETED.
WE'RE NOT BEING PAID TO DO IT.
I WANT TO, UH, CANCEL MY PERMIT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND WHICH WOULD THEN RE-ENGAGE OUR PROJECT TO GET BACK OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE HOMEOWNER'S AWARE OF THAT BEFORE THEY SELL THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO THE ISSUE WAS WE WEREN'T MADE AWARE OF THAT.
UH, THE PERMIT JUST KIND OF WENT, SET, VACANT, UH, FOR THAT YEAR PROCESS.
AND THAT TIME A NEW HOMEOWNER HAS PER NOW PURCHASED THE HOME AND NOW HAS TO FIX THESE ISSUES.
UH, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED UNDER THE ORIGINAL IT'S MARK BEAMUS AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO NOW THAT HE, THE SUSPENSION BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS VIOLATION JUST AUTOMATICALLY BUMPS UP TO 60 DAYS, CORRECT? THAT THERE'S NO, UH, THAT, THAT'S JUST THE STANDARD, UH, UM, PROCEDURE THAT THE CITY MUST FOLLOW.
THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE, ON THE BOOKS AS FAR AS LEVYING PEN, FURTHER PENALTY, UM, CORRECT.
IN THE CHAPTER 10, WE KIND OF HAVE, UM, UH, ALLOWANCES OF CERTAIN INCREMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A HARD FAST THAT WE IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO, IT'S JUST KIND OF OUR, UH, STANDARD WORKING PROCEDURE, UM, WITH MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS TO INCREASE IT BY THAT NEXT, UH, ALLOWED.
SO 30, 60, 91 80, AND, UH, THEN A FULL RELOCATION OR KIND OF, UH, HOW THAT CHAPTERS, UH, SPELLED OUT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IF, IF THAT'S, UH, IF, IF WE DON'T, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE, UH, POINTS PRESENTATION.
ALL RIGHT, MR. RAMIREZ, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO UNMUTE AND ALLOW THE APPELLANT TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND LET HIM KNOW I DO HAVE, UH, THE DOCUMENTATION THAT HE SUBMITTED, UH, TO THE BOARD AVAILABLE, AND MAY ALSO HAVE IT SUBMITTED TO THEM.
UH, FOR THE JOSE, JUST A REMINDER, YOU ARE MUTED ON THE, AT YOUR COMPUTER AS WELL.
WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT, IN THAT ADDRESS IS THAT WE WERE HIRED TO REWIRE THE HOUSE.
SO WE MADE A CONTRACT, BUT WE NEVER RECEIVED PAYMENT, AND WE JUST, UH, PULLED THE PERMIT
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SO THE CONTRACTOR TOOK, TOOK SOMEBODY ELSE TO THAT SITE.WE WERE JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO CALL US, BUT WE NEVER RECEIVED A CALL.
HE HIRED SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE ON THE JOB.
SO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR HIRED SOMEONE ELSE BUT PAID THEM, BUT DIDN'T PAY METRO ELECTRIC TO DO THE WORK.
WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY FORM OF PAYMENT.
WHY DIDN'T YOU, UH, CANCEL THE PERMIT THEN? MM-HMM.
BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING ON HIM TO CALL US IN ORDER TO START WORKING, AND WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT HE HAD ALREADY HIRED SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE ON THE JOB, SO WE JUST BARELY FOUND OUT THAT HE HAD HIRED SOMEBODY ELSE.
MY QUESTION IS, UH, AGAIN, WAS THERE, DID THE NEW PERSON COME IN AND TRY TO PULL A PERMIT AS WELL, OR ARE THEY JUST TRYING TO DO IT UNDER YOUR PERMIT? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF SOMEBODY ELSE ATTEMPTING THE PERMIT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO D S D IS, IS, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF, UH, ANYONE ELSE TRYING TO PULL A PERMIT UNDER THIS, UNDER THIS ADDRESS? UH, IF YOU GIMME A COUPLE MINUTES, I CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF I CAN FIND, UH, AN ANSWER.
JEREMY, OR I, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT TOO, IS IF THE CONTRACTOR HAS THE PARENT PERMIT AND THE ELECTRICAL PERMIT IS A SUB PERMIT, AND, AND, AND, UM, THE GENTLEMAN DID NOT DO THE WORK, BUT IT WAS UNDER HIS PERMIT, WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR? UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? UH, WE DID GO AFTER, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, CONTRACTORS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, AS, AS KIND OF ALLUDED TO BEFORE, WE DID, UH, MEET ON, UH, HAVE AN APPEAL ON ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTORS AS WELL.
UH, BUT WE DID, UM, ANY OF THE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE REGISTRATION, UH, SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE DONE, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE NOT BEING PULLED PERMITS, WHICH WAS THE INITIAL, UH, ISSUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT WORK DON'T HAVE REGISTRATIONS WITH THE CITY, AND ALSO AS, AS A CONTRACTOR, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING, UH, FROM THE STATE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO CITATIONS AND OTHER, UM, AVENUES OF, OF TRYING TO, UH, GET THEM TO COME IN LINE, UH, BUT, BUT WITHOUT HAVING A REGISTRATION TO SUSPEND OR, UM, ARE REVOKED.
AND, UH, WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED OUR OP OPPORTUNITIES.
SO, WAS, DID ANYBODY RECOMMEND TO THIS GENTLEMAN, UH, FOR METRO X ROW, AGAIN SPEAKING, UH, SEEM THAT, THAT, NO.
AND I'M GUESSING THAT THE INSPECTORS OR ANYBODY WHO'S CAUGHT THIS HAS SEEN THAT NONE OF THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE BY METRO ELECTRIC.
HAS ANYBODY, UM, EMPHASIZED OR RECOMMENDED THAT IF HE'S NOT DOING THE WORK, GIVEN HIM THE ADVICE TO PULL THE PERMIT, TO CLOSE THE PERMIT, UH, OR TO PULL IT SO THAT HE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT ANYMORE? SO THIS IS, UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THAT IS KIND OF THE, THE GOAL OF THAT INITIAL CONSULTATION.
UM, WHEN WE SAT DOWN WITH HIM TO LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, ALLUDING BACK TO THE, UH, THE TEAM THAT AMIN MENTIONED IN OUR PREVIOUS FIELD, THE,
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UH, STRIKE TEAM, UH, THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THIS PROJECT.WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE CORRECTLY.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CO COMPLIANT.
AND WE LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE, YOU DIDN'T DO THE WORK INITIALLY, BUT YOU'RE PULLING THAT PERMIT.
YOU'RE KIND OF TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLETED, UH, AND BROUGHT UP TO CODE.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE SPECIFICALLY DIAL OUT THAT, HEY, IF, IF YOU DON'T COMPLETE THAT WORK, YOU NEED TO NOW CANCEL.
UH, BUT IF IT'S OUR, OUR COMMON APPROACH THAT, UH, ALL CONTRACTORS ARE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO CANCEL PERMITS OR, OR NOTIFY US ANYTIME, THAT IF A NEW CONTRACTOR'S COME IN TO START DOING THE WORK, UM, AND AS A MASTER, UH, WE LOOK AT THEM AS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, HEY, THIS WORK BEING DONE, AND, UH, ANYWHERE THAT HAS PERMIT OPEN UNDER MY NAME OR NOT BEING DONE, IS STILL FALLING UNDER MY PURVIEW.
AND I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I NOTIFY, UH, THE STATE OR THE, OUR CITY, UH, OF THAT INFORMATION AND, AND CANCEL ANY PERMITS THAT I MIGHT HAVE OPEN.
HEY, JEREMY, THIS ROBERT HANLEY.
THE THE WAY I SEE THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN PULLED THE PERMIT 'CAUSE HE ASSUMED HE WAS GONNA DO THE WORK, AND HE WAS WAITING TO BE CALLED TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
BUT IF HE'S NOT CALLED AND WORK IS BEING DONE BY SOMEBODY ELSE, HE'S REALLY A VICTIM IN THIS INSTEAD OF THE PENALTY.
AND I'M BEING SORT OF TEMPTED ON A 60 DAY, UH, SUSPENSION.
HE'S ALREADY SPENT, HE'S ALREADY SERVED 30 DAYS OF THAT SUSPENSION.
THAT, BUT I DON'T, I I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S PROCESS.
THEY WENT AND SAW THIS ADDRESS, AND THIS IS THE PERSON THAT TOOK THE PERMIT.
IT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE, BUT, UH, THIS IS A VERY, THIS IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OUR EARLIER CASE.
AND SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S PROCESS, BUT I, THIS GUY APPEARS ON OF WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE, THAT HE IS MORE OF THE VICTIM THAN THE CULPRIT.
I THINK THAT, UH, I WOULD PUT A MOTION TO, UH, UH, PULL, UH, EXCUSE THE, ANY, ANY VIOLATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT PENDING THAT HE PULLS THE PERMIT.
ONCE HE PULLS THE PERMIT, THEN HE'S ALLOWED TO GO BACK.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION IN MY OPINION.
I MEAN, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
IF, IF HE PULLS THE PERMIT, IF THE CITY ALLOWS HIM TO EXCUSE OR PULL HIS PERMIT, I, I THINK HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO WORK AND NOT WORK FOR, NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THIS CONTRACTOR.
MR. VASQUEZ, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS WILLIAM BUR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.
UH, JEREMY, JUST FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION, I, I'VE ONLY EVER BOUGHT ONE HOUSE AND IT WAS A BRAND NEW HOUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, 20 SOME YEARS AGO.
HOW DOES IT, A HOUSE OR A PROPERTY CHANGE HANDS AND NOBODY REALIZES THAT THERE'S OPEN OUTSTANDING PERMITS FOR THAT.
AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE.
I MEAN, DOESN'T A REALTOR OR, OR SOMEONE AT THE BEXAR COUNTY WHEN PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS DO A, A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THE PROPERTY AND SEE THAT THERE'S OPEN PERMITS YET? SIR? YEAH, THAT'S, UM, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY, AS A, AS A RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR THAT'S BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A WHILE, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DISCLOSURES THAT A REALTOR OR A WITHIN A TRANSACTION HAPPENS, BUT IT COULD EASILY BE DONE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW.
IT'S KINDA LIKE THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT AN H O A REGULATIONS ARE, THEY'RE ONLY IN CHARGE OF THEIR PERMITS AND SUCH.
SO IF SOMEBODY DOES A DEEDED TRANSFER THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OPEN PERMITS OR ANYTHING IN THE CITY, YOU COULD CERTAINLY CHANGE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHOUT SOMEBODY, UH, UNSCRUPULOUSLY GIVING ALL THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WHICH THAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
THEY CAN JUST SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT A HECK OF A DEAL FOR YOU.
HERE'S A HOUSE THAT'S IN DISREPAIR.
AND THEY SAY, OH, WOW, LET'S DO IT.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S NOT REALLY DOING THEIR HOMEWORK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CHECKING ALL THEIR, UH, CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AND GETTING INSPECTIONS, ET CETERA, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW.
THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD CATCH SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS IF THE, IF SOMEONE PUTS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT YOU CAN NO, NOT EVEN A LIEN.
A LIEN IS NOT, IS ALL THAT'S GONNA DO IS IF A MECHANICAL CONTRACTOR PUTS A LIEN, YES.
BUT IF IT'S FOR A CITY INSPECTIONS AND SUCH, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRANSFER OF PROPERTY.
SOMEBODY'S GOTTA, THEY'VE GOTTA DO THEIR OWN, HAVE EITHER HIRE AN INDEPENDENT INSPECTOR OR CALL THE CITY, SEE WHAT THE DEAL IS, SEE WHY, WHAT, WHY IT'S SITTING THERE.
BUT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK, PROPERTIES CAN CHANGE HANDS WITHOUT HAVING TO DO, UH, INSPECTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIRMAN,
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DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? JEREMY? UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? UH, NO.
WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE SOMEBODY WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REVOKE THE SUSPENSION PENDING THAT HE, THAT HE WILL, UH, REVOKE THE PERMIT OR CANCEL THE PERMIT TO THAT PROJECT, UH, UH, AND THEN REVOKE THE SUSPENSION AND CONTINUE TO GO BACK TO WORK.
I SECOND MR. VASQUEZ'S MOTION.
SO THE MOTION IS TO REVOKE THE SUSPENSION CONTINGENT THAT HE PULLS HIS PERMIT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD WITH NO DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE THE STAFF TO CONDUCT A ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION.
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HERE REAL QUICK.
UH, I WANNA CLARIFY, I THINK I HEARD MR. VASQUEZ APPEAL, UH, OUR MOTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SO THE PERMIT IS CURRENTLY OPEN.
UH, THE ISSUE WOULD BE TO, TO CLOSE THE PERMIT TO CANCEL IT, UH, NOT OPEN UP A NEW ONE, CORRECT.
UNDER HIS, UNDER HIS MASTER LICENSE UNDER METRO ELECTRIC? CORRECT.
SO, UH, JUST CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, I'M GONNA RESTATE, UH, HOW WE'RE GONNA WRITE.
THE, UH, THE MOTION IS TO, UH, UPHOLD THE APPEAL AND REINSTATE REGISTRATION CONTINGENT ON THE CANCELLATION OF THAT PERMIT, UH, BY METRO ELECTRIC AT THE ADDRESS OF 1 0 0 7 WEST MAGNO.
UH, JENNIFER, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR PHONE CALL.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, I HAVE, UH, ONE QUICK COMMENT AS WELL.
UM, JUST WANNA CAUTION THE BOARD THAT, UH, IF WE ARE SAYING HIS, HIS, UH, LICENSE OR REGISTRATION WILL BE, UH, GIVEN BACK TO HIM, THAT, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE WITH ME, BUT IF HE CANCELS THAT PERMIT, SOMEBODY DID THE WORK THERE, WE DON'T KNOW.
THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE IS IT'S HIM BECAUSE HE PULLED THE PERMIT.
SO TECHNICALLY THE WORK IS DONE NOT CORRECTLY AND THE NEW OWNER OF THE HOUSE WANTS A FIX.
SO IF WE CLOSE THAT PERMIT, TECHNICALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE PERMITS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE WORK.
AMID, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY, AND I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN OUT WHEN I WAS ASKING JEREMY THE QUESTION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE METRO WAS REALLY A VICTIM IN THIS CASE, AND WHY AREN'T WE GOING TO CO GOING AFTER THE CONTRACTOR WHO HIRED ANOTHER ELECTRIC COMPANY TO DO THE WORK THAT'S NON-COMPLIANT? UH, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD OVER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I MEAN, REAL FAST, UH, UH, SO METRO WASN'T WHO WE INVESTIGATED ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, STOP WORK FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, THIS WAS THE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS HIRED, UH, BY THE HOMEOWNER AT THE TIME.
AFTER, UH, WE DID OUR INITIAL INVESTIGATION TO THEN COME IN AND COMPLETE, PULL THE ELECTRICAL PERMIT AND COMPLETE IT, UH, SO THAT WE COULD OPEN OR STOP THE CASE AGAINST THAT PROJECT.
UH, THE ISSUE IS JUST THAT HE NEVER COMPLETED THE WORK AND ACTUALLY CLOSED OUT THE PERMIT.
NOT THAT, UH, WE INDICATE THAT HE DID THE INITIAL WORK.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, UH, WILLIAM BURRIS.
UH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR CONCERN.
SO IF THIS PERMIT GETS CLOSED OUT, UM, EVERYTHING'S FINE AT, AT LEAST FROM A RECORD KEEPING STANDPOINT.
IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING'S FINE AT THE HOUSE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE, OR THE, THE ADDRESS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE OUTSTANDING CODE ISSUES WITH THE INSTALLATION THAT WAS DONE, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ISN'T THERE A FORM, I KNOW FIRE PREVENTION HAS A FORM.
IF THEY WALK IN ON A PROPERTY AND THEY SEE SOMETHING, THEY ISSUE IT TO THE, THE OWNER AND SAY, YOU'VE GOT 30 OR 40 DAYS OR 60 DAYS TO CORRECT THIS.
UH, DOES, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES NOT HAVE A, SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR ELECTRICAL AND NOW IT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S ISSUE, UM, WHICH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
AND, YOU KNOW, BUYER BEWARE, THEY SHOULD HAVE
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LOOKED IT UP BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE.UM, BUT, UH, IS THERE SOME FORM THAT WOULD KEEP THIS ON THE RECORD THEN? AND NOW THE OWNER BECOMES THE RESPONSIBLE AGENT TO HIRE SOMEONE TO CORRECT THE ISSUES? YES.
UH, THIS IS AMIN, TOMAS DEVELOPED SERVICES.
UH, WE CAN, UH, SO BASICALLY, UH, YEAH, JUST LIKE THE ROOF LEFT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN, CAN HEAR YOU.
OH, SORRY, I, I LOST YOU GUYS FOR A SECOND.
SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, UH, YOU ARE CORRECT, WILLIAM, WITH YOUR COMMENTS, WHAT WE CAN DO IS DEFINITELY, UM, GO OUT TO THE HOUSE, UH, AND DO A COURTESY INSPECTION, ELECTRICAL INSPECTION, OR MECHANICAL OR PLUMBING.
UM, AND THEN IF WE FIND ANY ISSUES, WE NORMALLY ISSUE A TAG, A RED TAG, WE, WE, WE WILL GIVE THAT TO THE OWNER, THE HOMEOWNER, AND SAY, YOU HAVE THESE VIOLATIONS AND YOU HAVE CERTAIN TIME TO FIX IT.
WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS ROLE, THAT'S WHAT, WHAT ANY RED FLAG THAT'S POSTED IN THAT.
NOW, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND NOW, FROM ANY CONTRACTOR THAT COMES IN THAT HAS TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, IT GIVE THEM THE RED FLAG TO SEE WHAT, WHAT ISSUES NEED TO BE CORRECTED, UH, PRIOR IF, IF METRO ELECTRIC'S LICENSE IS STILL ON RECORD HERE, THEN NO ONE ELSE CAN FIX IT OTHER THAN HIM, UH, OR MAKE THESE CORRECTIONS.
AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE CONTRACTOR DOESN'T WANT METRO ELECTRIC THERE.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA, IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PAID TO DO THE WORK OR MAKE CORRECTIONS, THEN HAVING, HAVING THIS SENT OVER TO THE OWNER, UH, WITH RE, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD TO YOU NEED TO MAKE THESE CORRECTIONS NOW, IT GIVES IT A OPEN PROCESS TO ALLOW MAYBE THAT CONTRACTOR TO PULL THE PERMIT AND, AND, AND NOT HAVE ANY STIPULATIONS GETTING AN INSPECTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO THE RIGHT
THIS IS, I MEAN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, YEAH, THIS IS, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SITUATION HERE BECAUSE I, YEAH, I HEARD FROM YOU GUYS NOW THAT WE BELIEVE HE'S A VICTIM OF THIS MM-HMM.
AND, UH, BUT TECHNICALLY AGAIN, IF A NEW OWNER BUYS A HOUSE, UM, AND THEN WE FIND ANY VIOLATIONS DOWN THE ROAD, NORMALLY WE PRESENT THAT TO THE HOMEOWNER AND THE HOMEOWNER WILL HIRE WHOEVER HE WANTS TO HIRE TO DO THE WORK.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HIRE THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR WHO SHOULD HAVE JUMPED IN AND DID THE WORK PULL PERMIT.
THEY WANT TO CORRECT THE ISSUE.
UH, I'M, UH, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE KIND OF, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN OFF ON A LITTLE BIT OF A TANGENT HERE, AND THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON JUST THE ISSUE AT HAND AND WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE BELIEVE METRO, UH, IS AT FAULT FOR ANY WRONGDOING HERE OR NOT.
THE, THE OTHER ISSUE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OTHER STEPS NEED TO BE TAKEN IS KIND OF SEPARATE FROM OUR DISCUSSION HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IF WE, UH, IF, IF, IF METRO, UH, VOIDED THEIR, THEIR PERMIT AND IT WENT OFF THE CITY'S RECORDS, WE ARE NOW POTENTIALLY LEAVING A HOUSE SIT WITH NO DOCUMENTATION.
BUT WE KNOW, OR THE CITY KNOWS THAT THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL VIOLATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED AND THAT IT NEEDS TO SOMEHOW COME BACK ONTO THE RECORDS AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, WHICH I THINK IS THE OWNER.
UH, THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING, THAT IT, WE, WE JUST DON'T WIPE IT AWAY AND IT, AND WE LEAVE SOMETHING SITTING OUT THERE, UH, WITHOUT ANY, ANY RECOURSE.
UH, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A CASE, UH, OPEN AGAINST THAT PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE WILL BE IN OUR RECORDS SHOWING THAT THERE'S DISCREPANCIES, THOSE, THAT CASE WILL NOT BE CLOSED UNTIL AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT IS COMPLETED AND ALL INSPECTIONS COMPLETED FOR THAT PROPERTY.
WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I STILL KEEP MY MOTION THEN.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND TO, TO, UH, NOT DO THE SUSPENSION AND THE CITY WILL HANDLE IT HOWEVER THEY HAVE TO WITH
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THE OWNER AND OR GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WORKS ON THAT JOB.UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, THEN I WOULD ASK THE STAFF TO DO A ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION.
DO I PROCEED? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE, OKAY.
MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF 13 TO, OKAY.
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LIKE TO, ARE THERE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS OR REPORTS EITHER FROM THE BOARD OR THE STAFF? UH, JEREMY MCDONALD? UH, JUST A QUICK STAFF UPDATE.UH, SO WE'RE HEAVILY INTO THE, UH, 2018 INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND FALL CODE ADOPTION PROCESS.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, OF THAT GROUP OF THE BOARD, UH, SCHEDULED FOR 8:30 AM ON JULY 21ST.
UH, ONE, I WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT, UH, THAT WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO, UH, ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND ALLOW THEM TO BE PART OF THE, UH, WEBEX.
I, I'M GOING TO A, UH, REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT.
UH, SO, UH, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND, UH, CHECK YOUR EMAILS AND MAKE SURE YOU REGISTER TO FOR THAT BOARD MEETING, UH, THAT COMMITTEE MEETING PRIOR TO, SO I CAN GIVE YOU ALL, UH, ACCESS TO THE MEETING, UM, THAT, THAT'LL ALLOW US TO KEEP CONTROL OF THE MEETING, BUT ALSO TRY TO OPEN IT UP TO THE STAKEHOLDERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN ADD SOME INTERACTIONS AND ALLOW THEM TO, UH, HAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON BOTH THE AMENDMENTS AND THE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE GONNA USE TO, UH, INSPECT AND REVIEW THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THAT MEETING WILL BE ON TUESDAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT GOES, WHETHER WE NEED TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING OR NOT.
UH, WE ALREADY, I'LL BE SENDING OUT THE AMENDMENTS, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UH, THIS MORNING.
UH, AS SOON AS WE FINISH UP HERE.
UH, AFTER THAT WE'LL NEED TO DO A FULL BOARD MEETING.
UH, WE'LL NEED TO HAVE THAT DONE IN LATE JULY, EARLY AUGUST.
UH, SO BASED OFF OF, UH, THE 21ST MEETING, UH, WE WILL, UM, SENDING INVITES OUT TO THE FULL BOARD.
UH, WE'LL NEED TO SUBMIT THE AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE DUE IN EARLY AUGUST, UH, WITH THE, UH, NEED TO BE IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL BY AUGUST 20TH.
UH, THE REASON FOR THE RUSH IS THE STATE REQUIRES US TO START ENFORCING THIS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2020.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PROCESS? THAT'S ALL THE STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS I HAVE.
DO YOU KNOW, OH, JEREMY, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE STARTING TO REVIEW, UH, CHAPTER 10? SO THIS IS PART OF THAT CHAPTER 10, BUT TO MOVE INTO THE, UH, 2021 CODES, UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULD BE KIND OF DOING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE COVID ISSUES WE'RE, UH, OUR, OUR DIRECTORS ASKED THAT WE KIND OF SLOW THAT
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DOWN A LITTLE BIT.WE WANT TO KIND OF SEE, WE DON'T WANT TO IMPACT THE, THE, UH, OR THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TOO MUCH.
UH, UH, WE'RE KIND OF PUT A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, HIATUS ON THE FULL CODE ADOPTIONS.
NOW, THE N E C REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE STATE IS GONNA REQUIRES, WE HAVE THAT ADOPTED BY NOVEMBER 1ST.
SO WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, I THINK IT'S THE 2019 VERSION OF THE N E C OR THE 2020 VERSION OF THE N E C.
BUT THE, UH, 2021 VERSIONS OF THE I CODES.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE FORMAL DATE OF WHEN WE WANT TO TRY TO GET THOSE PROCESSES STARTED.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING, UH, BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT FROM THIS, JEREMY? I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST REITERATE AND I, AND I REALIZE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD, AND I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD DOES.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, AND I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE TO HEAR THESE WITHIN 14 DAYS OF SOMEBODY SUBMITTING AN APPEAL.
AND, AND I THINK MY BIGGEST, UH, QUESTION OR REQUEST IS THAT WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING SOMETHING AS DRASTIC AS, AND WE TO MAKE DRASTIC DECISIONS ON PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS AND ITEMS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT THE CASE FROM THE CITY NEEDS TO BE, WHILE IT WAS, I WOULD GIVE IT, I WOULD GIVE IT PROBABLY A 75 ON THOROUGHNESS ON THIS ONE.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE VERY, UH, JUST REALLY, REALLY IN DEPTH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD AS OPPOSED TO SUSPENSIONS OR FINES OR TIME LIMITS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE DRASTIC MEASURES THAT THIS BOARD IS, HAS A CONTROL OVER.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE TAKES IT LIGHTLY AND WE RESPECT EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY IS DOING.
AND WE, WE WOULD SAY, WE KNOW YOU'RE DOING THE BEST JOB YOU CAN, BUT JUST PLEASE BRING BEFORE US.
UM, IT SHOULD BE REALLY CRYSTAL CLEAR WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT TYPE OF SUBJECT.
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I DEFINITELY DO APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF ALLUDED TO IS A HARD DECISION ON OUR END AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT PAST WHEN REVIEWING ANY OF THESE, WHETHER IT BE SUSPENSIONS OR, UH, EVEN JUST A REGISTRATION DENIAL BASED OFF OF BACKGROUND.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD A FEW IN THE PAST AND THE FBI BACKGROUND, UM, AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS TRY TO, UH, GAUGE, UH, THE LIKELIHOOD AGAINST, UH, CONCERNS AND LIFE SAFETY OF ITS CITIZENS.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF PLAYING THAT SENSE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T TAKE AWAY SOMEBODY'S LIVELIHOOD, BUT ALSO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
UH, BUT NO, THIS IS SOME INFORMATION THAT WE DO USE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOW TWO OF THEM THAT WE'VE PRESENTED WHEN IT COMES TO THE REVOCATION AS WE'VE DEVELOPED THIS STRIKE TEAM.
AND WE ARE SEEING MORE OF THESE ON TRYING TO, TRYING TO WEEDED OUT, UH, BAD CHARACTERS.
NOT TO SAY ANYBODY THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WAS DEFINITELY FITTING THAT.
UH, BUT THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE ANY CONCERNS WE HAVE FOR THE SAFETY.
UH, WE ARE WORKING TO IMPROVE ON THAT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS LIKE THAT GO A LONG WAY TO HELP US, UH, SEE, OKAY, WHAT WAS THE PRESENTATION? IS IT WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO? AND WE DO SEE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME, UH, MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND WE'LL DO THAT AND DO THAT.
AND I, AND I KNOW WE KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING GOOD A JOB AS YOU CAN, BUT UH, WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? SO MOVE SMITH, I SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ADJOURNMENT.
ANY DISCUSSION? MOTION IS APPROVED.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A ROLL CALL FOR THAT.