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ARE YOU IN YET? UH, YEAH, I'M ON THE PHONE.
YOU ON THE PHONE WITH SOMEONE? NO, NO, NO.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, AS A REMINDER, PLEASE, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING AT THE TIME, UH, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONES.
UM, SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A SMALL GROUP, I CAN'T, MY GOAL IS TO KINDA ALLOW EVERYBODY TO CONTROL THEIR OWN, UH, AUDIO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY WE CAN, UH, HAVE AS MUCH OF ENGAGE CONVERSATION AS POSSIBLE.
BUT IF WE, UM, START GETTING TOO MUCH FEEDBACK OR ANY CONCERNS LIKE THAT, I'LL HAVE TO, UH, MUTE AND KIND OF GO TO A MORE MANUAL APPROACH.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT NEED TO JUMP INTO THAT REAL FAST.
I THINK I GRABBED SOMEBODY, UH, ONE OF THE CALL IN ONES FROM HERE IN THE CITY.
[Call to Order]
THE AGENDA ITEMS WE HAVE FOR THIS MORNING, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE COMMITTEE TO, UH, NOMINATE A COMMITTEE CHAIR.UH, JUST A QUICK REMINDER, UH, WE'LL DO A FAST ROAD CALL TO START WITH THAT.
UM, AND JUST SO EVERYBODY, UH, BE ON THE SAME PAGE, UH, CURRENTLY THE COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF FOUR MEMBERS.
UH, BUT THE GOAL AFTER WE CREATE THE, UH, COMMITTEE CHAIR IS TO VOTE IN AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER, UH, MR. SENATOR RAMEL.
SO A QUICK, UH, ROLL CALL JACK UP MORE.
BRIAN, ARE YOU STILL WITH THIS? I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE LOST BRIAN.
I'M NOT SEEING HIM ON THE LIST ANYMORE.
WELL THAT STILL GIVES US, UH, OUR QUORUM.
[1. Vote to appoint a Committee Chair]
THE FIRST ITEM WOULD BE TO, UH, ELECT A COMMITTEE CHAIR.DO WE NEED TO, DO WE NEED TO GET SPENCER ON BEFORE WE DO THAT? SPENCER IS ON AND, UM, OH, OKAY.
UH, YEAH, I JUST, BECAUSE HE IS NOT TECHNICALLY ON THE COMMITTEE YET, I DIDN'T WANNA ADD HIM TO THE ROSTER UNTIL WE SIGN HIM ON.
I GUESS WE CAN'T VOLUNTEER SPENCER THEN.
WELL, WE CAN LET, WE CAN LET RO DO HE DO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
ACTUALLY, ROOKIE GUYS, YOU CAN'T NOMINATE ME.
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WHAT EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST, 2018, THE CITY CLERK'S ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE WILL BE RELOCATING TO 1 1 4 WEST.JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I THINK I GOT OUR FINAL COMMITTEE MEMBER, UH, LOGGED BACK IN BRIAN SMITH.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, UH, AUDIO THAT I THREW AT YOU ALL.
I WAS TRYING TO MOVE PRESENTATION MODE BACK TO MYSELF.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GONNA TAKE ME OFF MUTE.
UH, JEREMY, I, I SEEM TO HAVE BEEN CONSCRIPTED AS THE CHAIR, SO WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO MOVE THIS ALONG? UM, SO WE JUST NEED TO DO A VOTE ON THAT.
WELL, SO I GUESS SOMEBODY WILL JUST NEED TO MAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND AND TAKE A QUICK VOTE.
I'LL DO, UH, DO A ROSTER VOTE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT MIKE CROSBY THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE.
THAT WAS A ROLL ON THE SECOND.
UH, QUICK, UM, PROCEDURAL VOTE.
ARE YOU WITH US? UH, STILL O BRIAN SMITH.
UH, SO THAT'S A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO IN FAVOR.
SO, UH, WE HAVE MR. MIKE RUSS IS THE CHAIR.
[2. Vote to appoint additional BRFCAAB Member(s) to the Committee]
THE NEXT VOTE WOULD BE TO, UH, FOR ANYBODY IF THEY WANTED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BOARD MEMBER, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, SOMEBODY WOULD'VE TO MAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND OF THAT.SO CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO ADD SPENCER RIMS OUT THE COMMITTEE? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
ANYBODY TO DISCUSS? WE DO THE ROLL CALL, VOTE ROLL CALL.
BRIANY, ARE YOU BACK ON? I'M ON NOW.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF ADDING, UH, UH, FOR OR AGAINST OF ADDING SPENCER REEL? TO THE BOARD OR TO THE COMMITTEE? I APPROVE.
IN FA VOTE IN FAVOR OF FOUR TO ZERO TO ADD MR. RAMEL TO THE COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE NOW IS COMPRISED OF THE, UH, FIVE MEMBERS, UH, JUST FOR OFFICIAL SPENCER RAMEL.
UH, CAN YOU CONFIRM ATTENDANCE? I'M HEARING, AND THANK YOU.
IT'S, I KNOW, UH, BEING PART OF THE PLUMBING COMMUNITY, THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG IMPACT ON THEM.
SO HAVING A GOOD VOICE ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THAT IS, IS IMPORTANT.
WE'RE DONE WITH THE, UH, PROCEDURAL.
SO NOW WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO, UH,
[3. Discussion and possible action on the adoption of the 2018 ISPSC and proposed amendments]
THE THIRD ITEM, WHICH IS, UH, REVIEW OF THE AMENDMENTS AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.UH, BUT THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THE CODE BEING THE 2018 VERSION OF THE INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE, UH, THE, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY CITY STAFF AND ORGANIZATIONS, UH, THAT WE'RE
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GONNA PRESENT TO THE COMMITTEE, UM, BASED OFF OF Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE AMENDMENTS, UH, WE WILL THEN MOVE TO, UH, SUBMIT THAT TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, AND THUS LATER ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS PART OF THIS.UM, THE ADOPTION OF THE 2018 I S P SS C IS REQUIREMENT FROM THE CI UH, THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UH, THEY HAVE ENFORCED THAT ALL MUNICIPALITIES STARTING ENFORCING THIS VERSION OF THE CODE, UH, WHICH ALSO THE MAIN INTENT IS ALSO IS TO GET THE CONTRACTORS TO HAVE A UNIFORM, UH, APPROACH TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND INSTALLATION OF SWIMMING POOLS AND SPAS FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UH, SO AS PART OF THAT, UH, THE REQUIREMENT TO ADOPT THE, UH, STATE DID ALLOW US TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT CODE AT EACH MUNICIPALITY.
UH, WE REACHED OUT TO VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE PART OF THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED THIS TO TRY TO GET A FEEDBACK ON, ON RECOMMENDATIONS.
PART OF THAT IS, UM, MANY OF THE MEMBERS THAT, UH, ARE CURRENT, UM, ATTENDEES OF TODAY'S MEETING, UH, ARE HERE, HAD KIND OF PREVENTED SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO THE CITY OF OTHER ADOPTED CODES.
UH, MY OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UM, SOME OF THE, WE ALSO HAD A PREVIOUS MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE PROMINENT, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS WAS THE IMPACT OF THIS CODE BEING ADOPTED ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALSO REGULATED BY, UH, STATE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE WERE SEEING THAT THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN A LOT OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UH, BY OTHER CITIES.
SO WE, UH, MOSTLY JUST KIND OF TOOK THOSE, UH, AND GOAL WE WANTED ANY REGULATION THAT'S ALREADY THERE, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY AND HEALTH CONCERNS OF THE STATE.
ALL THE, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE, UH, CODES HAVE BEEN IN THE BOOKS FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, WE TRY TO GET THEM TO READ, UH, CONCURRENTLY WITH, UH, THE I C C CITY.
UH, SO, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, UH, LIST OF, OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE, UH, PRESENTING, UH, FOR AMENDMENT.
UH, QUICK COLOR CODE ITEM, UH, IS THE BLUE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, UH, RECOMMENDED BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, LICENSING REQUIREMENTS, ACCESSIBILITY, UM, AND OTHER STATE RULES.
UH, THE OTHER ONES, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, WRITTEN INTO THE CITY CODE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PART OF, UH, SOIL'S REQUIREMENTS MOSTLY FOR WATER CONSERVATION.
AND, UM, MAKE SURE WE DON'T CONTAMINATE ANY OF THE POTABLE WATER SOURCES.
UM, SO THERE'S SOME RULES THAT ARE PART OF THE CITY CODE.
AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE IN BOTH DOCUMENTS, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING THOSE, THOSE ARE ARE GONNA BE IN THE YELLOW, UH, DOCUMENTED ONES.
UH, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE MORE PROCEDURAL THAT ARE, UH, PERTINENT FOR THE CITY.
UM, SO TO START OFF THE, MY GOAL, UH, THE COMMITTEE IS OKAY WITH, IT WILL BE JUST TO KIND OF READ THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS, UH, BUT IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE ME TO LOOK AT, UH, IN THE CODE ITSELF, I ALSO HAVE THAT PULLED UP HERE.
EVERYBODY CAN SEE, UH, BOTH THE, UH, THE CODE ALSO OF, UH, THE ICC WEBSITE AND, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS.
AND THEN, UM, JUST AS A PROCEDURAL APPROACH, UM, I, I HAVE MY CHAT OPEN AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M TRYING TO KEEP FROM HAVING TO MUTE ANYBODY.
SO IF, UH, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OR TALK, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE.
UM, I THINK WE WANNA TRY TO KEEP THIS OPEN AS LONG AS, UH, THE COMMITTEE'S OKAY WITH THAT.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF, IF WE START GETTING, UH, TOO MUCH BACK, NO GROUND NOISE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OVERTALK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, I'LL HAVE TO GO TO A LITTLE BIT MORE REGULATED.
UH, BUT FEEL FREE TO, UH, MAYBE START A CHAT, UM, IN THE CHAT IF YOU HAVE A, AN ITEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, YOU KNOW, EITHER THROUGH CHAT OR, OR SPEAK OUT.
UH, LET ME CALL ON Y'ALL, UH, TO SPEAK.
UH, I THINK THAT'D BE THE BEST PROCEDURAL APPROACH.
UM, THAT WAY EVERYBODY'S, UH, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, STANDARDIZED AND WE'RE NOT GETTING A WHOLE LOT OVER OVERTALK.
UH, SO PLEASE UTILIZE THE CHAT FEATURE OR, OR RAISE YOUR HAND.
I'LL TRY TO MONITOR THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, UM, THESE AMENDMENTS.
UH, SO CHAPTER ONE, UH, TYPICALLY WE, THE CITY DOES NOT ADOPT, ADOPT THE, UH, CHAPTER ONE VERSIONS OF ANY OF THE I CODES, UH, THE CHAPTER 10 OF THE CITY CODE THAT OVER THE OVERSEES THESE ADOPTIONS AND AMENDMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE DOCUMENTATION FROM CHAPTER ONE OF THE I CODES BUILT INTO THAT.
SO IT'S UNIFORM ACROSS ALL THE CODES.
UH, BUT REVIEWING THE, UH, CHAPTER ONE, THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS TO, UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, UM, THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS CODE.
UH, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA ADOPT ALL OF THEM, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA ADOPT.
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SO, UM, I THINK, UH, THE SECTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA COVER, I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING DOWN HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA ADOPT CHAPTER ONE.UH, SECTIONS 1 0 1 AND 1 0 2, BUT NOT ADOPT SECTIONS 1 0 3 TO 1 0 8.
GETTING CALLED UP ON MY PHONE.
SO BACK TO THE ADOPTION OF CHAPTER ONE.
UM, SO WE WE'RE NOT GONNA ADJUST ANY OF THE LATER SECTIONS, BUT WE WILL ADOPT, UH, SECTIONS 1 0 1 AND 1 0 2, UM, WITH SOME AMENDMENTS TO THOSE SECTIONS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS TO, UH, CONFIRM THAT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A REFERENCING ANY OF THE OTHER ADDITIONAL I CODES WITHIN THE BOOK.
UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REFERENCING THE, THE, UH, STANDARD CODES AND THE MODEL CODES ADOPTED BY THE CITY AND AMENDMENT AND AMENDED.
SO WE'RE AMENDING IT TO KIND OF JUST SAY, UH, ANYTIME YOU SEE SOMETHING ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE OR RESIDENTIAL CODE, IT'S THE SAN ANTONIO ADOPTED VERSIONS OF THAT WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
UM, SO, UH, THAT, THAT'LL BE THE ONLY THING, UH, FOR, FOR THIS CHAPTER ONE, SECTION 1 0 2 0.7.
AND IN REFERENCE TO THE REFERENCE CODE, UH, THE SECOND ONE, THIS, UH, COMES FROM THE OTHER ADOPTIONS OF A LOT OF THE OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE, UH, MOSTLY TO SAY OTHER LAWS.
SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING OTHER LAWS.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP, UH, THAT SAME VERBIAGE, BUT WE'RE JUST REALLY, UM, HIGHLIGHTING THAT, UH, THE OTHER STATE CODES AND KIND OF POINTING OUT SOME OF THOSE PROMINENT STATE CODES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY, UH, THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE ARE, ARE STILL IN ENFORCE AND NOT NULLIFIED BY THIS CODE.
SO THAT CONCLUDES, UH, EVERYTHING WE'RE AMENDING ON CHAPTER, CHAPTER ONE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? NO.
UH, JEREMY, JUST REAL, REAL FAST, THIS IS, THIS IS MIKE.
UM, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE STATE, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS, IS UPDATING THEIR POLL RULES AS WELL.
UM, SO THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS IF THEY CHANGE ANY OF THE PARAGRAPHS, UH, YOU MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE THOSE REFERENCES, BUT THAT COULD BE OFF ON THAT.
BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
AND THEN, AND SPEAKING WITH, UH, THE, UH, THE GROUPS THAT ARE, ARE KIND OF PART OF THAT CHANGE AND PART OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE THAT ARE, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY ON THE LINE WITH US TODAY.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS THAT GOES THROUGH, UH, I THINK THE GOAL IS ULTIMATELY THE, FOR THE I C C, UH, SPO, UH, POOL CODE TO KIND OF MERGE WITH THAT AND TRY TO MAKE IT AS SUCCINCT OF A CODE AS POSSIBLE.
UH, SO PROBABLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE'RE GONNA BE ADOPTING THE 2021 VERSION OF THIS CODE AT SOME POINT.
UH, SO I'M HOPING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO FIVE MONTH PROCESS THAT WILL HELP US REALLY DEL IN AND KIND OF SEE WHAT CHANGES ARE MADE ON BOTH SIDES AND IMPLEMENT THAT INTO ONE DOCUMENT IF NEEDED.
UM, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'RE KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE, SO WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AT ALL.
UM, MOVING OVER TO CHAPTER TWO.
LEMME, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, THE ONLY CHANGE HERE IS, IS UNIFORM WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, UH, OF WHO, WHAT SOME OF THE, UH, REGULATING BODIES.
UH, SO THE INTERNATIONAL CODES ALWAYS ADDRESS THE VOTING OFFICIAL, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
UH, BUT A LOT OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, SCHOOLS AND FALLS, AT LEAST ON THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY, UH, AND ON REGULATION AND, AND CONTINUED, UM, INSPECTIONS ARE HANDLED BY THE SAN ANTONIO METROPOLITAN HEALTH DISTRICT.
UH, SO WE'RE JUST ADDING IN A DEFINITION, UH, ON KIND OF THAT ENFORCEMENT AND, AND, UM, AUTHORITY OF, OF THAT GROUP.
UH, SO THAT'S MORE OF A, UM, PROCEDURAL AMENDMENT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGES TO THE DEFINITIONS
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THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.UH, MOVING TO CHAPTER CHAPTER THREE.
SO CHAPTER THREE OF THE CODE, THIS IS, UM, WHERE MOST OF, OF THE ITEMS ARE LOCATED.
UH, THIS IS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT.
SO THIS WILL, UH, KIND OF FALL UNDER ANY DEVELOPMENT OF A SWING POOL OR, OR SPA, UH, WITHIN THE CITY.
UH, LATER CHAPTERS WILL KIND OF GET IT MORE SUCCINCT TO, IS IT RESIDENTIAL? IS IT A SPA, IS IT COMMERCIAL? UM, THINGS SUCH AS THAT.
SO, UH, THE BIG, THE BIG CHANGES, THIS WILL INFECT, UH, ALL THESE AMENDMENTS AND ALL THESE SECTIONS OF CHAPTER THREE AFFECTS ALL POOLS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS, THESE ARE THE, ARE THE ITEMS THAT WERE, WERE ADOPTED BY THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
UH, THE FIRST ONE HERE IS, UH, PROCEDURAL.
UH, THE, THE GOAL IS TO, UH, DEFINE IT TO WHERE IT'S FOCUSING ON ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWN HOMES.
UH, SO THE PROVISION OF THIS SECTION SHALL APPLY TO THE DESIGNS AND BARRIERS, RESTRICTING ENTRY INTO AREAS, HAVING POOLS AND SPAS, UM, AND THEN ALSO KIND OF FOCUSING, UM, THAT THE TEXAS RULES KIND OF COVER THAT FOR THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY.
UH, SO THIS WILL FALL UNDER MORE.
UH, WE'RE KIND OF SAYING THAT THIS IS ONLY GONNA COVER THE, UH, ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWNHOUSES.
THE MORE PRIVATE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S MORE NEAR BACKYARD TYPE POOLS, UH, RESIDENTIAL POOLS THAT ARE TIED IN WITH A, UH, SUB-COMMUNITY, UH, OR COMMUNITY OR A SUBDIVISION.
THOSE ARE STILL COMMERCIAL POOLS THAT ARE REGULATED, UM, THROUGH, UH, A LOT OF THE OTHER STATE REQUIREMENTS.
NOW SECTION 3 0 5 IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BUILT INTO OUR INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES AND INTERNATIONAL, UH, SO THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, UH, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY ADOPTED INTO SECTION, UH, SECTION 33 0 9 OF THE BUILDING CODE.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE REFERENCED, UH, RESIDENTIAL CODE, BUT UNDER, IN THE I B C AND THE I R C, IT REFERENCES BACK TO THIS CODE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF POOLS.
UH, SO DURING THE ADOPTION OF THE 2008 VERSIONS, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS REMOVE THE FULL CODE AND ONLY REFERENCE BACK TO THE BARRIER REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, THE BARRIER REQUIREMENTS REALLY AREN'T NEW TO THE CITY.
UH, THESE AREN'T GONNA BE SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT BEFORE.
UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME AMENDMENTS, UH, THAT ARE GONNA KIND OF CHANGE IT.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE REFERENCED MORE THAN ANYTHING TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S THIS REQUIREMENT, BUT ALSO A LOT OF THIS FALLS UNDER SOME OF THE TEXAS CODES.
UH, SO CASE IN POINT, UH, 3 0 5 0.2, OUTDOOR SWIMMING POOLS AND FALLS, UH, SHALL BE SURROUNDED BY A BEAR THAT COMPLIES WITH THESE SECTIONS.
AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE, UH, TAC AND TEXAS HEALTH SAFETY CODES 7, 5, 7 FOR PUBLIC POOLS, UM, GOING 3 0 5 7 CHAIN FENCES.
HEY, UH, JEREMY, I'M CATCHING A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE.
DO YOU MIND GOING AHEAD AND JUST, UH, MUTE EVERYBODY AND, AND, UH, AND THEN JUST HAVE A QUESTION, MAYBE THEY CAN CHAT OR UNMUTE THEMSELVES MANUALLY? YEAH.
SORRY, I CONTROLS CHANGE A LITTLE BIT WHEN I GO TO PRESENTATION MODE, SO GIMME A SECOND TO FIND THIS.
UM, THE, I CAN'T MUTE PANELISTS.
I'VE MOVED, UH, PEOPLE TO PANELIST.
OKAY, SO, UH, MOVING BACK TO, UM, CHAIN LINK FENCE.
SO THERE'S A NEW SUBSECTION OF THE CHAIN LINK FENCE, UM, CHAIN LINK.
IT IS MORE OF A, A RECOMMEND OR
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A KIND OF A FORMAL KNOW, UH, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCING IS NOT PERMITTED AS A BARRIER OF PUBLIC POOLS BUILT AFTER JANUARY 1ST, 1994.UH, SO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CHAIN LINK FENCES, UH, ARE STILL THERE BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS IMPACTS, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMES AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS ALSO, THIS IS MORE JUST A, A CLARIFICATION THAT IT'S, UM, CHAIN LINK FENCES ARE PROHIBITED, UH, MOVING TO 3 0 5 0.4 STRUCTURAL WALLS.
UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, UH, THE, THE CLARIFICATION TO THIS IS, UM, TO SPECIFY FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWNHOUSES, OUR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE WALL OR A BUILDING WITH WINDOWS IN ACCORDANCE TO A 2018 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES, SECTION 10 30 IN GROUP R TWO OCCUPANCY SHALL NOT BE USED AS PART OF A POOL ENCLOSURE.
OTHER WINDOWS THAT ARE PART OF THE POOL AND YARD ENCLOSURE SHALL PERMANENTLY BE CLOSED AND UNABLE TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC POOLS.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF REFERENCING BACK TO SOME OF THE, UH, STATE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE REMAINDER OF THESE, UH, REQUIREMENTS STAY THE SAME.
SO, I I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT REAL QUICK, JEREMY.
SO FOR A RESIDENTIAL HOME, IS IT SAYING THE EXISTING HOME OR A DETACHED ADDITION CANNOT BE USED AS A BARRIER TO THAT POOL? SO AN EXAMPLE IS YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN STRUCTURE, YOUR MAIN HOME, YOU FENCE FROM THE BACK OF THE HOME AROUND THE POOL, AND ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WAY, FROM WHAT I'M READING THERE, IT SAYS THAT THAT CANNOT BE USED, UM, AS PART OF, SO WHERE IT IS BEING USED, IT HAS TO MEET SOME, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF ONE THROUGH THREE.
SO OPERABLE WINDOWS HAVING A SEAL HEIGHT OF LESS THAN 48 INCHES ABOVE THE INDOOR FINISHED FLOOR.
AND DOORS SHALL HAVE AN ALARM THAT PRODUCE AN AUDIBLE WARNING, UH, WHEN THE WINDOW DOOR, THEIR SCENES ARE OPENED.
UH, SO I, AND ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE STILL KIND OF THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, ORIGINALLY.
UH, THESE ARE ALL PART OF THE I R C CURRENTLY.
SO YOU HAVE AN EXISTING HOME, MOST OF THE WINDOWS ARE, YOU KNOW, 18 TO 24 INCHES FROM THE GROUND.
YOU HAVE YOUR ALARMS ON YOUR DOORS.
UH, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM PUT A FENCE NEXT TO THE HOUSE IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
THEY'RE SAYING THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL FENCE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE WINDOWS THAT COULD OPEN LIKE A NORMAL 3 0 5 OH, THEN THAT WOULDN'T MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
YOUR LAWYER, JASON, WOULD Y'ALL BE ABLE TO STEP IN OR, UH, ANYBODY THAT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THAT, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO UNMUTE 'EM.
NO, THEY HAD THEIR, YEAH, THEY, I APPRECIATE THE
SO THEY HAVE CONTROL USUALLY LLOYD.
YEAH, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THE, THE, THE WALL IS THE BARRIER.
SO IF IT'S ADJACENT TO THE POOL, THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE SPEAKING ON.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I READ IT THAT YOU NEED THAT ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL BARRIER NEXT TO IT.
UH, I INTERPRET IT AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT USED TO BE IN THE CODE? SO THIS IS NEW IN THE CODE.
THIS WASN'T IN THE CODE BEFORE.
UH, WHAT WAS IN THE CODE BEFORE IT ONLY SPOKE ABOUT OPERABLE DOORS.
SO THIS, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER.
SO, UH, THE WAY I'M INTERPRETING IT, IT WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, UH, IF THE, THE, THE BARRIER, WHICH IS YOUR WALL BARRIER IS FACING THE PULL SIDE, AND LET'S JUST SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'VE GOT THAT WINDOW THAT MEETS THAT CRITERIA, THEN THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
SO IT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW IT, IT, I GUESS, HOW THE PULL IS LAID OUT ON SITE.
BUT, AND THE REASON, THE REASON I'M SAYING IS 'CAUSE I, I HAVE A HOUSE THAT HAS A POOL AND WE HAVE A, UH, A, YOU KNOW, FENCE THAT GOES AROUND IT, ALONG THE SIDES IN THE BACK, BUT THERE ARE WINDOWS LESS THAN 48 INCHES FROM THE GROUND THAT ARE OPERABLE.
SO THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD NOT MEET THAT CODE, CORRECT? WELL, THIS WOULD MEET, THIS WOULD BE THE NEW REQUIREMENT.
WE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AND WHEN I FIRST MENTIONED IT TO, TO, UM, TO JEREMY, WE, WE KNEW THIS WAS GONNA BE A BIG IMPACT.
SO, UH, WHEN WE'VE DISCUSSED IT IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND COMMITTEES, UH, THAT'S WHY WE MAKE IT, UH, UH, KNOWN THAT THIS IS A, A, A NEW ADDITION.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH IT, AND WE'RE GONNA TO DO THE, THE INSPECTIONS, BECAUSE OF COURSE, THIS IS NEW.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST HOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS MOVING FORWARD.
THE, THE ONLY OTHER WAY I COULD SAY TO MAKE, IF, IF THERE IS A PUSH FOR THIS, AND I'M NOT FOR IT, UH, WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE DOORS,
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IF YOU DO HAVE A WINDOW THAT'S OPERABLE WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, 48 INCHES OF THE GROUND, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF AN ALARM LIKE THE DOOR OR A LOCK, LIKE WE DO BEFORE THE SECOND STORY.AGAIN, WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN A WHOLE LOT INTO IT.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF GOING OVER THE CHANGES.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO ADOPTING THIS AND MAKING AMENDMENTS OR WHATEVER CHANGES, ONE SUGGESTION WE COULD HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A, A FALL PROTECTION DEVICE, UH, WHICH WE UTILIZE A LOT IN, UH, SILL HEIGHTS THAT ARE OVER 24 INCHES.
UH, WHAT THAT DOES, IT PREVENTS THE WINDOW FROM OPENING MORE THAN FOUR INCHES, AND IT LOCKS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD POSSIBLY DISCUSS, JUST LIKE WE DO ON THE SECOND STORY, CORRECT? YEAH, EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO AGAIN, IT, IT, IT, WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN INTO IT IN, IN THAT MUCH DETAIL.
I THINK CURRENTLY WE'RE JUST KIND OF DISCUSSING IT AND PRESENTING IT AS IS.
UH, AND I THINK ONCE WE START ADOPTING AND MAKING MODIFICATIONS, UH, THAT COULD BE, AND AGAIN, I JUST, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS YOU MENTIONED IT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST THOUGHTS, UH, THAT, THAT BEING A POSSIBILITY, BUT I GET IT.
SO, UH, WE'RE MOST DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE TO SIT DOWN, SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
NOW, I'M, I'M AGAINST THAT, BUT, UH, MOVE ON.
NO, IT'S, I THOUGHT IT WAS DIFFERENT.
SO, UH, SO BRIAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, ON, ON THE UNDERSTANDING.
SO YOU CAN HAVE THE WINDOWS ARABLE UNDER 48 INCHES, THAT'S OPEN TO THE POOL, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ALARM ON IT, IS HOW I READ IT.
SO AN EXAMPLE IS HOW DO YOU PUT AN ALARM IF YOU HAVE CASEMENT WINDOWS? I'M NOT SURE.
SO IT'S MORE NOT HAVING THE IS IS, IS THERE A FUNCTIONAL ALARM OUT THERE THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE WINDOWS? THE QUESTION MORE? I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO HOW, YOU KNOW, THAT ALARM DOESN'T WORK FOR ALL WINDOWS? OKAY.
SO I'M USING MY OWN, FOR AN EXAMPLE, I, I HAVE A CASEMENT WINDOW THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 18 INCHES FROM THE GROUND.
SO, UH, JEREMY, UM, HOW DO, HOW DO WE, DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS? DO WE WANNA, UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, I TEND TO AGREE WITH BRIAN, MYSELF, UM, AND THIS KIND OF CAME UP, UH, DURING THE PREVIOUS STAKEHOLDER MEETING, UM, THAT I WAS A PART OF, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
DO WE WANNA GO THROUGH ALL THE CHANGES AND THEN COME BACK AND DECIDE WHAT, YOU KNOW, JUST IDENTIFY WHAT THE CHANGES ARE AND THEN COME BACK? OR DO WE WANT MAYBE STRIP THINGS OUT OR REALLY DISCUSS IN DEPTH? I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION ON IT, BUT, UM, I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET POINT.
WHAT I CAN DO IS, UH, SO TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT PART OF THE AMENDMENTS RIGHT NOW.
THIS, IT IS UNDER THIS SECTION, UH, REMAINDER UNCHANGED SECTION ONE.
UH, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL ITEM AFTER THIS, THE, THE COMMITTEE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THOSE ACTIONABLE ITEMS CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES PRIOR TO THAT, OR IF WE WANTED TO HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, TO ADDRESS THEM.
BUT CORRECT, UH, YEAH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH REST.
SO, UM, KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THIS SECTION, I KNOW THIS IS, UH, QUITE A BIG ONE, UH, THIS 3 0 5 0.4, ANY OTHER ITEMS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? UH, WE CAN CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO THE ALARM ON THE WINDOWS.
UH, ANY OTHER ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH IT? WELL, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.
LET'S, LET'S, WE CAN GET MORE IN DEPTH, BUT I AGREE.
LET'S, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF TO COVER.
LET'S JUST KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
UM, SO, UH, MOVING TO SECTION 3 0 5 0.6, NATURAL BARRIERS.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A, A CHANGE THAT KIND OF SPECIFIES THAT REALLY THESE NATURAL BARRIERS ARE ONLY GONNA BE ALLOWED, UM, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ONE TO TWO FAMILY HOME DWELLINGS AND TOWNHOUSES, UH, THAT THE, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY IS GONNA BE REGULATED BY, UH, THE STATE AND SCHOOL, UH, STATE REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT WOULD GO INTO THE NATURAL BARRIER REQUIREMENTS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT IS THEY REALLY DON'T ALLOW NATURAL BARRIERS.
IS THAT, IS THAT A COMMON ISSUE? MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, POOL, UM, CONSTRUCTORS THAN, THAN ANYBODY.
BUT IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO, TO BE LOOKED AT? DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S A, I I BUILD A LOT OF POOLS AND, AND WE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE.
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OKAY.UM, ANYBODY FROM, UH, THE ATTENDEES WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT? AND, UH, LET KNOW IF I HAVE YOU MUTED AND I NEED TO UNMUTE YOU, UH, IN THE CHAT.
NOW, YEAH, IF ANYTIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO STEP IN, WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, BACKTRACK IF WE NEED TO, BUT, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS ONE.
UM, SO 3 0 7 4 ACCESSIBILITY, I'M SORRY, JEREMY, ADDING AN EXCEPTION TO THIS SECTION.
I'M SORRY, JEREMY, THIS IS JASON GRAY.
THE LAST QUESTION, UH, WAS, DO WE TYPICALLY SEE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH, UH, NATURAL BARRIERS BEING USED? UH, FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECT POOLS ARE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, DON'T SEE TOO MANY NATURAL BARRIERS.
I MEAN, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU'LL GET A RETAINING WALL, UH, MAYBE BE SOME OF THE HIGHER END APARTMENT COMPLEXES WILL USE A ROCK WALL, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T REALLY SEE NATURAL BARRIERS.
YEAH, AND I KNOW ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THAT'S BEEN REGULATED BY THE STATE PRIOR.
SO, UH, THIS ADOPTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT, REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING BEING IS TO KIND OF SAY THE NATURAL BARRIERS ARE REALLY ONLY ALLOWED FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
SO 3 0 7 0.14, AN ACCESSIBILITY ROUTE TO PUBLIC POOLS AND FALLS SHALL BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH I B C.
ACCESSIBILITY WITHIN PUBLIC POOLS AND FALLS SHALL BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED BY THE ACCESSIBLE AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES PROVISIONS OF I B C.
UH, THE EXCEPTION, UH, ADDED IS COMPONENTS OF PROJECTS REGULATED BY AND REGISTERED WITH ARCHITECTURAL BARRIERS.
DIVISION OF TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATION SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER.
UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK ULTIMATELY IT'S JUST GIVING THE CITY THE OUT TO SAY, HEY, IF THE STATE'S APPROVING IT, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT, UH, TYPE APPROACH.
AND THAT'S OF COURSE, UM, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A DEVELOPMENT OR, UH, A PULL ITSELF? WELL, I'M SAYING I, IF I HAVE A, SAY AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, THAT WAS BUILT IN 1965, UH, AM I EXPECTED TO UP UPGRADE ALL THE SIDEWALKS IN, IN THE FACILITY? UH, YOU KNOW, FAIR HOUSING LAW DOESN'T REQUIRE ME TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT IS THIS, WOULD THIS ADD THAT REQUIREMENT? NO, THIS, THIS REALLY, THIS CODE SHOULDN'T BE RETROACTIVE.
I THINK, UH, THERE'S A SECTION IN CHAPTER ONE, UH, THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, RETROACTIVE, UH, THERE'S NO PURE RETROACTIVE, YOU HAVE TO NOW COME UP TO THIS CODE.
UH, BUT THEY DO KIND OF GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT, UH, CORRECTIONS OR, OR REPAIRS AND MODIFICATIONS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A THAT IS IN DEPTH, OF COURSE, IS THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
UH, BUT IT DOES KIND OF SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T MAKE THINGS WORSE.
AND THOSE SECTIONS, I BELIEVE WE KEPT IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, CHAPTER, UH, THAT WE'RE ADOPTING AND IT'S NOT BEING PULLED OUT IN THOSE SECTIONS.
THAT'S USUALLY THE CASE WITH, UH, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ITEMS, BUT NOT, UH, SOMETIMES ACCESSIBILITY SLIPS THROUGH.
AT LEAST ON THE, ON THE CITY'S VIEW RIGHT NOW, UH, I UNDERSTAND ACCESSIBILITY IS HANDLED BY THE STATE, SO THEIR REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, ONE, THEY SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED BY US ADOPTING THE THIS, UH, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT ANY VOCATIONS FROM THE STATE ENFORCING THIS REQUIREMENT MIGHT HAVE ON ACCESSIBILITY.
UH, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S KINDA THE WHOLE POINT OF THEM, UH, BRINGING A LOT OF THESE CODES UP TO, UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS AND STUFF.
UM, SO THE NEXT SECTION IS, UH, 3 0 7 0.3.
UH, THIS IS, WAIT, WAIT, JUST REAL QUICK, WHAT, HOW I WAS READING THAT THOUGH, IT DOES STATE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENTIAL OR IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT UP TO CODE.
I DO NOT SEE WHERE THIS IS, UH, GRANDFATHERED IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT HOW I READ THIS CODE.
UH, DO YOU, WHAT SECTION ARE YOU REFERENCING? THE 3 0 7 0.4, WHICH RUST WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD AN OLDER COMMERCIAL APARTMENT OR THEY WERE ADDING A POOL, IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE AS FAR AS THIS.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHERE DOES IT SAY DIFFERENT? IS THIS JUST FOR, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL ONE OR TWO.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A TOWNHOUSE, IF YOU'RE HAVING A RESIDENTIAL HOME, THAT MEANS I HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESSIBILITY TO IT.
THAT'S A D A, LET ME SEE, AM I READING THAT CORRECT? PUBLIC ACCESSIBILITY ROUTE TO PUBLIC POOLS AND SPAS.
SO I THINK BECAUSE THEY SPECIFY PUBLIC POOLS
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AND SPAS, I THINK THAT SHOULD, UH, CLEAR OUT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.BUT, BUT IT DOES NOW I WOULD READ THAT TO BE, UH, PUBLIC ONLY AND, UH, NOTHING ON, ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR TOWN HOME
SO THAT, THAT ANSWERED ONE QUESTION, BUT IT, THE SECOND QUESTION AS FAR AS WHAT RUSTY WAS SAYING IN HERE, IF YOU HAD A 1964 APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WANTED ADD A POOL, YOU HAVE TO MEET THESE CODES.
CORRECT? I, I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD, UH, MIKE'S QUESTION.
I I WAS REFERENCING MORE OF AN EXISTING POOL AND SOME MODIFICATIONS.
UM, AND, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT WOULD BE.
THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE ARCHITECTURAL BARRIERS DIVISION OF TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATION IS, UH, I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT DEPARTMENT.
DOES ANYBODY, UM, HAVE ANY REFERENCE WITH THEM OR ANY, THEY COULD KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT, JEREMY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
I THINK, I THINK WE DO DO SITE REQUIREMENTS.
SO AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PROVIDE ONE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE.
UH, IF IT'S A PUBLIC SITUATION, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE JASON WANTS TO JUMP IN ON THAT, BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MY UNDERSTANDING.
THEY WOULD NEED AT LEAST ONE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE IF IT'S A PUBLIC POOL.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY THAT WE WOULD'VE, WOULD'VE ENFORCED? YES.
IT JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CORRECT.
UH, YOU WOULD NEED TO DO THAT, AND THAT, THAT'S HOW I READ IT AS WELL.
I, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD, UH, MIKE'S CONCERNS ORIGINALLY.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WAS FOLLOWING MORE UNDER AN EXISTING POOL, MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO AN EX, UH, AN EXISTING VERSUS A NEW I, I, I DID MEAN, UH, EXISTING WHEN I, WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT BRIAN BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
A LOT OF THESE OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE GETTING FLIPPED AND ADDING AMENITIES AND STUFF, SO IT'S, IT'S AN IMPORTANT NOTE.
BUT YEAH, FOR NEW, UH, IT MAKES SENSE.
YOU NEED TO ADD IT FOR NEW THANK YOU FOR, UH, CLARIFYING.
UH, SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'RE COMING ACROSS, UH, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, UH, TO MEET, UH, THE INTENT OF SAS'S, UM, CITY REQUIREMENTS.
SO, VANISHING OUR NEGATIVE EDGE SWIMMING POOLS WITH VANISHING, OUR NEGATIVE EDGES SHALL BE DESIGNED WITH A CATCH BASIN LARGE ENOUGH TO PREVENT SPLASHING.
SO I KIND OF TOOK THAT SPECIFICALLY FROM THEIR REQUIREMENT.
UM, I, I KNOW IT IS, IN MY OPINION, IT'S A LITTLE BIT VAGUE, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO REALLY ADD MORE DETAIL TO IT.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT ALL THE POOL CONTRACTORS SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, FOCUSING ON.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT DEPTH, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DE UH, DEPARTMENT IS NOW GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE ENGAGED IN THAT.
UH, SO, UM, MY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY KEEP, UH, KEEP THE SAME VERBIAGE AS THAT'S ALREADY INTO THE CITY CODE, UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, OKAY, ONCE WE'VE HAD SOME TIME WORKING WITH THIS CODE, AND WE KIND OF SEE IF THERE IS ANY CONFLICTS OR ANY ISSUES THAT COME UP, UH, YOU KNOW, INSPECTING THESE AND CHECKING FOR IT, UH, IF WE NEED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE VERBIAGE OR MORE DETAIL OR, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS BETTER, I WOULD ADD, I WOULD ADD A VERBIAGE OF SAYING EXCESSIVE SPLASHING, BECAUSE SPLASHING CAN BE INTERPRETED TO ANYTHING EXCESSIVE, IS WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID.
IF YOU GET A LITTLE HERE WHERE IT'S A REAL WINDY DAY, THAT'S OKAY, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT EXCESSIVE.
NO, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION AND GIVES US THAT KIND OF, UH, ABILITY TO REGULATE IT.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, AMENDED, UH, WHEN WE ADOPT THE, UH, 2021, UH, IF WE KIND OF SEE IT BEING, UH, NOT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR EITHER DEVELOPERS OR THE INSPECTORS OUT IN THE FIELD.
I, I AGREE IT GIVES SOME LATITUDE, BUT IT DOES ALSO SAY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THERE, AND THE INTENT IS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TO SAVE THAT WATER, BUT NOT TO OVERREGULATE.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, SO, UH, THIS IS FALLS UNDER THE SECTION, UH, SUCTION ENTRAPMENT AVOIDANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, ONE OF THE LIFE SAFETY ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CODE, UH, SECTION ENTRAPMENT AVOIDANCE FOR POOLS AND SPAS SHALL BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH AA APS.
P ONE, UH, R SEVEN, UH, ONE OF THE STANDARDS REFERENCE LATER ON IN THE CODE, UM, ARE THE, UH, SWIMMING POOLS IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS.
UM, SO I THINK THIS, THE GOOD ONE WITH THE, THE VERBIAGE OF R UH, ALLOWS US TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, IF YOU MEET THIS STANDARD, YOU SHOULD BE GOOD.
UH, BUT IF YOU'RE BUILDING IT AND WORKING TOWARDS THE STATE REQUIRED EVENTS, UM, THEN THAT'S GOOD AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS
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IT'S DOCUMENTED WHEN WE'RE, UH, GETTING THE PLAN REVIEW, UH, THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REFERENCING THESE CODES AND THEY'RE USING THESE CODES, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE STATE, AND KIND OF LONG TERM, THAT'S FINE.OR IF THEY WANT TO, UH, MOVE WITH THE A S P SEVEN, UM, THEN THEY HAVE THAT OPTION AS WELL.
NOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN RE UM, IN REFERENCE TO GETTING THE STATE REQUIREMENTS APPROVED, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE FOCUSING ON, UH, THIS CODE SPECIFICALLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE RUN INTO ANY ISSUES WITH THAT, WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS LATER ON.
UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE VERBIAGE THAT WAS USED ACROSS THE STATE, UH, KIND OF DEVELOPED AND, UH, TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE UNIFORM, UH, FOR ALL THE CONTRACTORS ACROSS THE STATE.
UH, NEXT SECTION IS, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE ALL, THESE NEXT FEW ONES ARE GONNA BE GOING BACK TO, UH, THE SOLVES REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIND A GOOD SPOT FOR EACH ONE OF THESE.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN THE, IN THE LONG RUN, THERE MIGHT BE BETTER AREAS, BUT, UM, TRYING TO FIT THESE INTO THE CODE, UH, FIRST ONE IS SPECIFIC TO WATER FEATURES.
SWIMMING POOL WATER FEATURES SHALL BE DESIGNED SO THAT THE WATER FEATURE CAN BE TURNED OFF WITHOUT AFFECTING THE FILTER FILTERING CAPABILITIES OF THE POOL.
SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, A SIMPLE CON WATER CONSERVATION REQUIREMENT, UM, I EVEN THINK THAT'S KIND OF BUILT INTO, UH, OUR WATER RESTRICTIONS AT A CERTAIN POINT, UH, OR WATER FEATURES HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF.
AND THE GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T ADHERE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS A, A POOL OWNER CAN SAY, OH, I CAN'T TURN IT OFF BECAUSE I NEED TO KEEP IT CLEAN.
UM, SO I, I GOTTA KEEP THAT FEATURE RUNNING.
SO THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT, BE INDEPENDENT OF THAT, OF THAT FUNCTION AND TURN IT OFF, UH, BUT KEEP HIM MOVING FORWARD.
UM, VERY SAME THING ON THE SHARED WATER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS, UH, THE, UH, THIS FALL TO BE SHARED WITH THE WATER POOL, USUALLY WITH SOME TYPE OF WATERFALL EFFECT, UH, SHARING IT, UM, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT FEATURE CAN BE TURNED OFF, BUT STILL MAINTAIN, UH, THE CIRCULATION AND FILTRATION OF THE CAPABILITIES OF THE POOL AND SPA, UH, FOR THOSE TWO, UH, WHILE THE, UH, FEATURE IS TURNED OFF, UH, BATCH WATCH SYSTEM.
SO A BACK WATCH SYSTEM IS, UH, USED IN THE FILTRATION, ALLOWS THE, THE FILTERS TO BE CLEANED OUT BY FORCING THE WATER, UH, IN REVERSE, UH, KIND OF TAKE SOME OF THAT.
UH, SO THEY JUST WANT THAT TO BE, UH, UH, A FUNCTION THAT'S TURNED OFF.
I'M NOT TOO WELL VERSED IN THE DESIGN OF THESE.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TURNED OFF NATURALLY.
BUT, UH, ONCE AGAIN, SINCE IT'S BUILT INTO OUR CITY CODES, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I'VE KIND OF GOT A LITTLE BIT LAX ON SOME OF THESE COMMENTS, UH, COMING IN.
UM, LET ME JUMP BACK ON SOME OF THESE.
UM, CRYSTAL, I KNOW YOU'RE BRINGING UP SOME OF THE ITEMS ON THE 3 0 7 0.3, UH, VANISHING OR NEGATIVE EDGE, UM, THE EXCESSIVE CRYSTAL.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE ADDED THE EXCESSIVE SPLASHING.
UH, DO YOU HAVE SOME MORE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU CAN THINK OF? WELL, MY ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS, WHAT IS LARGE ENOUGH IS, IS THAT ENFORCEABLE LANGUAGE? IS THAT GONNA BE SOME EQUATION THAT REVIEWERS OR INSPECTORS WILL CALCULATE A VOLUME THAT'S LARGE ENOUGH? I GUESS I JUST, I SEE AN ISSUE WITH ENFORCEABILITY OF THIS.
THE, THE ENFORCEABILITY IS BASICALLY, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT PUTTING A CATCH BASE IN, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING WHERE IT'S MISSING IT EXCESSIVELY, WHERE YOU SEE MORE THAN 30% OR 40% GOING, THAT'S EXCESSIVE.
IF YOU'RE SEEING WHERE IT'S A WINDY DAY AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOSING SOME THAT, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT AS EXCESSIVE, THAT'S ENFORCEABLE, BUT IT SHOULD BE A DESIGN ELEMENT.
WHAT I'VE SEEN MOST OF, UH, BUILDERS WHEN WE'RE BUILDING IS THE BASIN.
IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SIZED CORRECTLY, BUT EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND AND DESIGN OF THE POOL.
SO IT'S VERY HARD TO PUT, ALRIGHT, IT NEEDS TO BE FOUR BY SIX OR, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR SIZE.
IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS, FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY STANDPOINT, I JUST, MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST PUT SHELBY PROVIDED WITH A CATCH BASIN, SHELBY DESIGNED WITH THE CATCH BASIN, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF, HOW AM I GOING TO SAY IT'S LARGE ENOUGH DURING MY REVIEW AND HOW IS THE INSPECTOR, IF IT'S WINDY OR NOT WINDY, GOING TO SAY THAT THERE'S EXCESSIVE FLASHING WHAT MAY BE EXCESSIVE TO ONE INSPECTOR IS NOT EXCESSIVE TO ANOTHER.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY BETTER WITH THAT
I WAS GONNA DO THE INTENT OF WHATEVER, WHO THE PERSON CAME UP WITH THIS CLAUSE, THEY WERE TRYING TO SAVE WATER, BUT TRY TO KEEP FROM PEOPLE BEING OVERLY
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BEARING ON SOMEBODY.UH, IF, IF WE JUST HAVE CATCH BASIN AND JUST STOP IT THERE, UH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
SO, UH, WHAT I WILL DO IS I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH SAS.
UM, BRIAN, I'M NOT SURE, DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT ENFORCES THESE SALT REQUIREMENTS NOW OR HOW THAT PROCESS IS, IS HANDLED? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH? MOST OF ALL THE POOLS I BUILD ARE OUTSIDE SAN ANTONIO OUT IN THE HILL COUNTRY.
WHAT I'LL DO IS, UH, I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH SAS AND SEE, UM, ON THAT ONE.
UM, BUT I, I, AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT JUST HAVING A CATCH BASIN, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S EASILY ENFORCEABLE BY US.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, THE CITY REQUIREMENTS WEREN'T BEING ENFORCED BY D S D IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE THE, UH, THE LAST, YOU KNOW, GROUP THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS OR WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
ORIGINALLY, I THINK THE, THE, THE REAL INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING, SAYING, HEY, THIS ISN'T THE ONLY CODE JUDGE REFERENCE, YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SOME OTHER THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY ON, ON THESE ITEMS, THE SAS REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BLESSING IT BY ANY MEANS, BY SAYING THE CATCH BASIN'S THERE, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, COME IN THERE AND SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE EXCESSIVE, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, PREVENT FLASHING.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE THAT ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ALLS IF THERE'S ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT.
UH, WE STILL HAVE THE, UH, EITHER ANOTHER MEETING AFTER THIS OR THE FULL BOARD, UH, THAT I CAN BRING IT UP, UH, FOR ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE, UM, MR. BILL URBAN, UH, HAD, UH, SENT ME SOME MESSAGE.
UH, I KNOW A SECOND AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, CODE AMENDMENTS THAT KIND OF ALLOWED THE, EITHER TO USE THIS CODE OR, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER CODES.
I'M TRYING TO FIND WHERE THAT WAS REFERENCED AND I LOST MY PLACE.
THIS WAS A TEN THREE OR THREE 10.1.
THE, UH, SECTION ENTRAPMENT, UH, SO BILL WAS JUST CONFIRMING THAT, UM, THE, THE I CODE IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE T A C, SO IF ANYBODY WERE TO BUILD TO THE I CODE, UM, AND THE STANDARD A P S P SEVEN, THEY WOULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
SO THEY'RE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO THE, THE EXCEPTION TO ALLOW YOU TO BUILD TO THE, UM, THE TEXAS STATE RULE IS ACTUALLY LESS RESTRICTIVE, BUT YOU'D STILL, YOU'D STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE BASED ON THIS CHANGE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING FROM, UH, MR. BILL IRVIN.
HE'S, UH, PART OF THE GROUP THAT, UH, BEEN LOING AND WHERE HE'S ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE STATE TO GET SOME OF THEIR CODES UPDATED.
UH, SO HE IS REAL, REAL WELL VERSED IN THIS.
UH, SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
IF I, IF I, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS, UM, I'LL, I'LL BRING THAT UP, UM, AT ANY, AT OUR NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO, DIDN'T WANNA GO TOO FAR ALONG WITHOUT CHECKING SOME OF THESE MESSAGES.
SO I THINK WE WERE IN THE BACKWASH SYSTEM.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, JUST A, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S THE FEATURE TO BE ABLE TO TURN THE BACKWASH SYSTEM OFF, UH, THREE 15.7, UH, SKIMMERS.
UM, NOW I KIND OF JUST TOOK THIS OUT OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW SKIMMERS WELL ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS IMPACTS IS, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, SKIMMERS SHOULD BE MANAGED IN SUCH A WAY TO MINIMIZE WATER CONSUMPTION, THE RANGE OF ALLOWABLE WATER WITH IT, THEN THE SKIMMER FILL RANGE SHALL ALLOW FOR SEVERAL INCHES OF EVAPORATION LOSS PRIOR TO FILLING.
I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY RUN INTO THE SAME, OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT WE HAD WITH THE CATCH BASIN, UH, ENFORCEABILITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M UP TO ANY SUGGESTIONS ON, ON AMENDING THAT OR, OR, UM, CHANGING IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING ON THE SAS, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY, CITY CODES, UH, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING ON TOO MUCH OF THE DESIGN ELEMENT AND, UH, ENFORCEMENT OF IT.
I, I WOULD GO BACK TO THE SKIMMER SHOULD BE MANAGED AS PER MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT SKIMMERS, BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THOSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MANUFACTURER, I SAW A LOT OF THESE THAT WE WANT TO DO IT ACCORDING TO THE MANUFACTURER SPECS.
UM, THIS, THIS, THIS WAY, IT'S WRITTEN STATES A LOT OF OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION ON THAT BEHALF.
UM, WHEN YOU DO THAT, IS THERE A SPECIFIC CODE IN THE, IN, IN THIS AREA THAT STATES THAT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A CODE THAT SAYS YOU'VE GOTTA FOLLOW, UH, MANUFACTURERS, MANUFACTURERS INSTRUCTION WITHOUT MODIFYING ANYTHING.
IF WE, WE CUT A PANEL OPEN OR, OR WELD TO IT, THAT'S, THAT'S MODIFYING.
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THERE A SPECIFIC CODE THAT, THAT SAYS THAT WE, WE CAN FOLLOW OR WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, UH, MANUFACTURER'S INSTRUCTIONS, OR IS THIS GONNA BE IT? UM, I'M, I'M NOT TOO SURE.I KIND OF USED THIS SECTION, UH, DISCUSSED.
I THINK THIS IS WHERE THEY GO INTO SKIMMERS.
SO THIS IS, UH, BACK TO CHAPTER THREE.
SO THIS IS GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY POOLS AND SPAS LOOKING AT IT TO SEE IF WHAT OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE EXCEPTIONS, CLASS D POOLS, DESIGN SKIMMERS, UH, THAT ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SPA HAS BEEN LISTED AND LABELED IN ACCORDANCE WITH UL 15, UH, 63, I CAN'T SEE THAT.
AND SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO BE LISTED AND LABELED IN ACCORDANCE WITH NSF 50.
AND ALSO I DO SEE THAT THEY DO HAVE SOME VERBIAGE IN HERE ABOUT SKIMMER SIZING.
SO IS IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THIS WHOLE SECTION MIGHT BE REDUNDANT THEN THIS NEW SUBSECTION IF WE'RE GONNA, IT'S MANUFACTURERS SPECIFICATIONS.
AND ALSO EVEN IF WE HAD SOME OF THAT OTHER STUFF IN THERE, MAYBE THIS TUMOR SIZING TABLE MIGHT ALREADY COVER IT.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL FOLLOW BACK UP WITH, UH, SPAS ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T LOSE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO WHAT IT MIGHT BE IS WE MIGHT REMOVE THAT ONE ALTOGETHER, UM, IF IT SEEMS REDUNDANT TO SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS WE ALREADY HAVE.
UM, WATER SUPPLY AUTOMATIC, UM, AUTOMATIC SWIMMING POOL FIELD FEATURES SHALL BE DESIGNED SO THAT THEY MAY BE TURNED OFF AND SHALL INCLUDE AUTOMATIC SWIMMING POOLS SHUT OFF FUNCTION.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, THOSE SEEM KIND OF INHERENT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN OFF THE AUTOMATIC BILL.
UM, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING TOO EXCESSIVE ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, NOT HAVING A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, REQUIREMENTS IF, UH, BRIAN OR ANYBODY THAT'S HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE AUTOMATIC SWIMMING POOL FILLS, OR MAYBE DAVID, IT'S NOT NEEDED TO PUT WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING THERE, BUT IF THEY WANT TO PUT IT, THAT'S FINE.
I, I, I MEAN, IT, IT WON'T COME ON UNLESS IT REACHES A CERTAIN LEVEL.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE, IF THEY TURN IT OFF AND THEN THE WATER LEVEL GOES OFF, THEY'RE GONNA, WHY AM I HAVING AN ON OFF SWITCH? IT AUTOMATICALLY DETECTS IT WHEN IT COMES ON AND ON.
IT WON'T COME ON UNLESS IT NEEDS IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A STUPID LINE ITEM TO HAVE.
IT DOESN'T SAVE YOU ANY WATER.
IT'S NOT MEETING THE INTENT OF WHY IT'S WRITTEN.
YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS, YEAH, BECAUSE IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT HAVING AN AUTOMATIC SWIMMING POOL SHUT OFF FUNCTION, AND THAT KIND OF SEEMS INHERENT THAT ANY AUTOMATIC SPILL WOULD HAVE THAT.
BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONE THING IS, I'M NOT SURE HOW OLD THIS IS, MAYBE THEY HAD SOME THAT WERE AUTOMATIC FIELDS THAT HAD ISSUES WITH TURNING OFF AND WOULD OVERFLOW IN THE PAST.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE THAT'S EVER HAD AN ISSUE.
LET ME, UH, I'LL, I'LL LOOK INTO THIS ONE.
UH, FOR THE TIME BEING, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT HAVING IT IN THERE THAT'S, UM, HAS CONCERNS IN THE FUTURE? IS IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE REDUNDANT THAT I NEEDED? NO, THE ONLY THING I WOULD'VE A QUESTION ON WOULD BE THE INSTALLER WHEN WE'RE INSTALLING IT, IS THAT GONNA AFFECT, UH, SOMETIMES YOU ADD A SWITCH TO AN AUTOMATIC, UM, ANYTHING, IT TENDS TO SOMETIMES CAUSE CONFLICT.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE IN THIS CASE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES IT NEEDS THAT FULL ON AND WHEN YOU HAVE AN ON OFF TYPE OF THING, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT'S GONNA HELP.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE MORE THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN WHO WAS INSTALLING IT OR THE PLUMBER, WHOEVER WAS INSTALLING THAT AUTO FIELD.
BRIAN, WHAT WAS BRIAN, WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS CODE THEN? I MEAN, DO THAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT IT.
I THINK THE INTENT OF IT WAS THEY'RE THINKING THAT THE AUTO THING COULD GO, UH, HAY HAYWARD WHERE IT WOULD NOT BE WORKING AND JUST, JUST GO ON ALL THE TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS GOING ALL THE TIME, HOW DO YOU TURN IT OFF? UM, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE MORE, WOULD BE BETTER IS INSTEAD OF AN ON OFF THERE IS TO HAVE A CUTOFF, A CUTOFF VALVE.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO TURN IT OFF, IF IT, IF THE AUTOMATIC THING DID FAIL AGAIN, I'VE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD ONE THAT HAS, BUT IF IT DID, WHERE'S THE CUTOFF THAT I CAN TURN THAT WATER OFF SO IT'S NOT CONTINUALLY GOING, NOT AN ON OFF SWITCH.
SPENCER RAMEL WITH BENCHMARK PLUMBING, TYPICALLY ON THE HOSE BIVS ON HOUSES WHERE THEY'RE ADDING A PULL ON THEM WILL TYPICALLY
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PUT A CUTOFF VALVE WITH AN INLINE VACUUM BREAKER.AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE WE JUST DID IN, IN VINTAGE OAK, IN NEW BRAUNFELS.
AND THAT ACTUALLY GETS BROUGHT UP HERE IN A SECOND.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN JUMP DOWN TO THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL ONLY.
THE HOSE VIV LOCATED NEAR THE POOLS, YOU'LL HAVE A HOSE IN TIMER INSTALLED.
UM, THERE'S SOMETHING, UH, HOSE LOCATED NEAR, HAVE A HOSE IN TIMER INSTALLED.
NO, THOSE ARE BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, I THINK WHEN WE GET DOWN HERE, THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HOSE, VIV, SO WE MIGHT CIRCLE BACK TO THIS AT THAT POINT, POINT IF WE'RE FEELING LIKE IT'S COVERED ALREADY BY THAT OTHER SUBSECTION.
YEAH, MY, MY THOUGHT IS THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A CUTOFF VALVE INSTEAD OF AN ON OFF SWITCH THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT WHOEVER WROTE THIS WANTS IS, IS POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, IT'S WATER SAVINGS IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO WRONG.
UM, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A CUTOFF, UM, EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING.
IF IT DID, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS THAT, UH, WHOEVER OWNS THE POOL AND IS PAYING FOR THE WATER THAT'S FILLING IT HAS EVERY INCENTIVE IN THE WORLD NOT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, SPLASH WATER ALL OVER THE GROUND FOR HOURS AT A TIME.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A BUILT-IN INCENTIVE THAT THAT TAKES THE PLACE OF NEEDING A, A CODE REQUIREMENT FOR WE'RE CONSIDERING.
I'M SORRY, MIKE, I WAS READING ONE OF THE COMMENTS.
UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M, I'M DOCUMENTING EVERYTHING IS THERE, UH, COULD YOU REPEAT ONE MORE TIME? I WAS JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF RATHER THAN ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, EXTRA CODE SECTIONS, UH, WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE WATER HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE NOT TO, NOT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, UH, WASTED.
AND, UH, YEAH, I'LL HIGHLIGHT THIS AS, UH, POTENTIAL FOR REMOVAL AS WELL.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN, THAT IS A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS COMING IN FROM SAWS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADDING INTO THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT OVERZEALOUS, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEIR STUFF IS JUST PURELY WATER CONSERVATION.
YOU KNOW, UH, I, I THINK SOME OF THIS IS STILL LIFE SAFETY IN THE SENSE OF THE WATER FEATURES.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT, HEY, WE CAN TURN THAT OFF AND KEEP THE LIFE SAFETY OR THE, THE HEALTH ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE POOL, UH, FUNCTIONAL BY HAVING THE, THE FLOWING CONTINUE AND THE CIRCULATION CONTINUE WITHOUT THE WATER FEATURES.
SOME OF THESE ARE MORE PURELY JUST WATER CONSERVATION.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT, IT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTFUL TO, UH, HEALTH OR CONCERNS OF THE POOL.
UH, THIS NEXT ONE IS, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT IT, IT IS REALLY JUST KIND OF WHAT WE REQUIRE NOW, UH, KEEPING IT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH, UH, OUR KIND OF POLICY AND, UH, TALKING WITH, UH, DAVID ROADIE, OUR CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR.
THIS IS MORE FOLLOWING WITH T C E Q REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO BACKWASH WATER AND DRAINING WATER SHALL BE DISCHARGED TO THE SANITARY.
SO INSTEAD OF ALLOWING IT TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO STORM WATER, UH, WE REQUIRE THAT IT ACTUALLY GOES INTO A SANITARY, SANITARY, OR INTO APPROVED DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
SO, LET ME ASK, UM, SO I HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, UH, HAS A POOL.
UM, AND WHEN HE BACK WASHES, YOU KNOW, THE SWES FOR DRAINAGE BETWEEN OUR TWO HOMES, UM, YOU KNOW, HE DIS DIS DISCHARGES INTO THAT, AND THEN IT GOES OUT AND DRAINS INTO THE, BASICALLY INTO THE STREET AND THEN DOWN INTO THE SEWER DRAINS.
UM, THIS EXCEPTION WHERE IT DOES NOT CROSS PROPERTY LINES, I MEAN, EVERY SWALE IS, IS BASICALLY A, A SHARED, UM, YOU KNOW, ACROSS PROPERTY LINES.
DOES THAT, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THE, THE INCENTIVE IS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, ABOUT NOT CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE? CORRECT.
SO THIS, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT'S APPROVED ACROSS THE BOARD IF YOU, IF YOU DUMP IT TO SANITARY, SO IF YOU HAVE IT PIPED DIRECTLY INTO A SANITARY, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
UM, NOW WE ADDED, UH, IN AN APPROVED DISPOSAL SYSTEM, WE DIDN'T REALLY ADD THAT, THAT'S PART OF IT.
SO LOOKING AT THE FULL SECTION, UM, INTO AN APPROVED DISPOSAL SYSTEM ON THE PREMISE, OR SHALL BE DISPOSED OF BY OTHER MEANS APPROVED BY THE STATE OR LOCAL AUTHORITY, UH, DIRECTION.
UM, SO THEN THAT DIRECT CONNECTION IS ALSO JUST MAKING SURE YOU HAVE AN AIR GAP AND, UH, SOME BACKWASH.
UM, BUT, SO REALLY IT IS THIS SECTION OR SHALL BE, UM, DISPOSED OF BY THE MEANS APPROVED BY THE STATE OR LOCAL AUTHORITY.
SO WE APPROVE ON A RESIDENTIAL FOR THEM TO GO TO THE GROUND.
UH, BUT THEN WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IT FLOODING INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S, UH, UH, PROPERTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE NOT, OUR INTENT IS NOT TO CODIFY THAT, BUT KIND OF BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS, UH, ALLOWANCE, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW, UM, RESIDENTIAL, THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE PLUMBING AND SHOWING THAT THEIR DISCHARGE, UH, WILL GO TO SANITARY.
UH, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY ANY PLAN, UH, RESIDENTIAL PLAN REVIEW.
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ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE WILL.UM, AND REALLY THE GOAL WILL JUST BE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE KINDA GET OUT THERE, THIS ALL ALLOWS, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE DISCHARGING INTO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
SO MAYBE YOU HAVE TO LOWER, UH, THE RATE SO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, STAYS ON YOUR YARD AND, AND SLOWLY, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOWS OUT IN A CERTAIN AREA OR, UH, IS EVAPORATED OR, UH, SOAKED IN AT THAT POINT.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE KIND OF, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, WE, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO NOT REGULATE THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE TOO MUCH AND KIND OF KEEP IT AS IS.
AND THIS IS STUFF THAT'S, UH, BEEN IN THE, UH, IN OUR CURRENT APPROACH TO, UH, SWIMMING POOLS AND SPOTS.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT, AND ESPECIALLY IN RESIDENTIAL, IN COMMERCIAL PERHAPS, BUT RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXAMPLE, I DON'T REALLY CARE THAT MY NEIGHBOR, HIS POOL WATER GOES INTO THE SWALE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.
I WOULD'VE A PROBLEM IF I LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I WAS ON THE, ON THE LOWER END OF, OF A BIG RETAINING WALL AND THE PERSON AT THE TOP HAD A POOL AND, AND TURN THE RETAINING WALL INTO A WATERFALL.
UM, SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY WE CAN BALANCE, YOU KNOW, BALANCE THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA CAUSE PROBLEMS, UM, BUT DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, SO BRIAN, UM, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THE UNDERSTANDING.
SO THE, THE REQUIREMENT TO GO TO SANITARY IS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY FORCES FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR THE ONE AND TWO FAMILY IN TOWN HOMES, THIS WOULD ONLY BE A PUBLIC POOL.
DOES THAT ALLEVIATE YOUR CONCERNS OR, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE.
BRIAN, YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, SIR.
CAN, CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE IT'S SAYING THAT THIS IS ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL AND NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
I, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE CONCERNED.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, I GUESS, YEAH, ON OUR END IT'S, IT'S AN, IT'S JUST WHAT WE ENFORCE, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, UH, I CAN VERBIAGE, UH, PUT SOME VERBIAGE.
UM, IF YOU PUT VERBIAGE, IT'S FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL, FOR PUBLIC USE ONLY.
I'M OKAY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL TO TRY TO MODIFY SOME OF THESE EXISTING LOTS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN.
UH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS TO MEET THE, THIS, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
I RAMS OF A BENCHMARK PLUMBING, YOU PROBABLY END UP HAVING TO BE PUTTING PUMPS ON A LOT OF THE SEWER SYSTEMS, ESPECIALLY WITH LOTS THAT HAVE THE FOG ALL GOING TO THE BACK AND THE SEWERS AND THE FRONT OF THE LOTS MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THE SANITARY DRAIN SYSTEM TOLUM TO PULL THE DRAIN INTO IT.
WE'D HAVE TO ADD A GRINDER PUMP OR SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO PUMP DEPENDING ON THE DISTANCE.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF HUGE COSTS THAT THIS WOULD DO.
AND, UM, I, I'M, I'M JUST SEEING MAJOR ISSUES FROM A RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, ON THAT BACKWASH, I THINK THAT'S JUST BACKWASH FROM THE EQUIPMENT.
AND I THINK MR. RUSS WAS TALKING ABOUT IF SOMEBODY WAS DRAINING THE POOL.
I THINK THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS SITUATION.
UM, MEANING SOMEBODY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WELL, ACTUALLY VINCENT, THIS IS DR.
SO DRAINING FROM THE POOL, DRAINING THE, THE SURFACE, THE POOL, I GUESS IF WE NEED TO DRAIN THE WATER OUT AND THEN BACKWASH AS WELL.
AND ALSO I THINK, UH, BACK TO THE BACKWASH SYSTEM.
SO ANY, UH, I ASSUME THAT BACKWASH SYSTEM WHEN THEY WERE CLEANING THE FILTERS IS, IS PURGED.
UH, SO THAT NEEDS TO GO TO SANITARY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, GOT, UM, MOST OF THE OLD, SO, UH, OKAY, SO BRIAN, ON THIS, UH, VERBIAGE, I'M ADDING EXCEPTION, NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR ONE OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IN TOWN HOMES.
I'LL NEED TO VET THAT A LITTLE BIT AND KINDA MAKE SURE I'M WRITING, UH, WORDING THAT PROPERLY.
BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE INTENT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ENFORCE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT TO RUN THE DRAINAGE AND BACKWASH TO SANITARY FOR RESIDENTIALS.
SO THAT'S THE PRACTICE WE HAVE NOW.
NOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CODIFY THAT CORRECTLY, UH, SO THAT LATER ON THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT REQUIRES, UH, RESIDENTIAL POOLS TO HAVE PLUMBING TO, UH, SANITARY.
THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT, I'M OKAY WITH OKAY.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IN OUR NEXT MEETING IS, I, I MIGHT CHANGE THIS A LITTLE BIT.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOO BROAD AND WE NOW HAVE A BIG OF A STROKE THAT CATCHES STUFF THAT WE SHOULDN'T CUT.
UH, BUT I THINK THE INTENT IS JUST KIND OF SAY, HEY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE, UH, BUT WE DO OUR, YOU KNOW, SO THE REASON I I QUALIFY THAT IS, SO I STILL WANNA BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE THAT, UH, DISPOSED BY MEANS APPROVED BY THE STATE OR LOCAL AUTHORITY.
SO I, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO JUST PUT IN THERE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED IT'S, UH, DIS UH, DISCHARGE IS, IS, UH, APPROVED BY THE, UH, BY LOCAL AUTHORITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.BUT I THINK THE INTENT IS, IS COVERED.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IT'S RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS A NEW SUBSECTION OF THAT SAME SECTION.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ONE OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWN TOWNHOUSES MAY DISCHARGE ON PROPERTY, PROVIDED IT DOES NOT CROSS PROPERTY LINES OR CREATE A HEALTH HAZARD.
I'M OKAY WITH THAT, I THINK, BUT I WOULD INSTEAD OF, OR PUT, AND, BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO CROSS A PROPERTY LINE WITH FIVE FOOT SETBACKS WHEREVER YOU'RE PUT IN SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT.
BUT IF IT DOES, CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING INTO THERE AND YOU CAUSE A HEALTH HAZARD, THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
LET ME, UH, WHAT I'LL HAVE TO DO IS RUN THAT BY OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GROUP.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE IN THERE AND SEE IF, UH, WE NEEDED TO KIND OF CHANGE THIS UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND I THINK WE CAN COVER THAT.
SO, UM, SO I'M GONNA REMOVE THAT EXCEPTION THAT I HAD WRITTEN UP, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, SO THIS EXCEPTION ISS HERE NOW, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT HIS, UH, VERBIAGE AND, AND LIKE I, I SAID I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY KIND OF GET THIS THROUGH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GROUP AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S, UH, PART OF OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OR ANY OTHER ITEMS, UH, IN OUR CODE THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF ADDRESSING THAT AND GET IT TO RUN
YEAH, I COULD SEE WHERE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE DRAINING ASPECT OF THAT.
IF YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, HEY, I NEED TO RE PLASTER MY POOL, I'M GONNA DISCHARGE 10,000 GALLONS AND IT'S GONNA GO ACROSS TO, TO MY YARD FROM YOUR YARD BECAUSE YOU NEED TO REPLASTER YOUR POOL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DISCHARGE, LIKE ON A, WHEN YOU'RE BACK WASHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'S, WHEN IT COMES EXCESSIVE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE FLOODING SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACKYARD THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE POLICY WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE CITY'S BEEN WORKING WITH.
SO WHAT I CAN, ONCE AGAIN, I CAN ALSO FOLLOW UP WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GROUP AND BE LIKE, ARE Y'ALL SEEING A LOT OF CONCERNS OR COMPLAINTS FROM, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GENERATED ISSUES IN THE PAST? I I AGREE WITH JACK AS WELL.
YOU CAN HAVE CREATE A HEALTH HAZARD OR EXCESSIVE, UH, DRAINAGE OR, AND YOU CAN DEFINE, MAYBE DEFINE EXCESSIVE DRAINAGE MORE THAN 5,000 GALLONS.
IF WE WANNA DEFINE IT, SOMETHING ALONG THAT WAY.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DRAINING A 20,000, 30,000 GALLON POOL AND IT GOES RIGHT INTO YOUR NEIGHBOR AND CREATED A BIG OLD SWISS POOL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF WHAT WE WANT.
UM, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF THOSE AND WE'VE HAD TO BE VERY, UM, WORKABLE WHEN WE'RE DRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T.
UM, SO I CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.
SO LET ME, UH, LET ME VET THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE WE'LL NEED TO REHASH ON THE FUTURE.
UH, I, I HIGHLIGHTED THIS GR YELLOW, UH, THAT'S REALLY NOT, UM, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO, FILL ON THAT ONE.
THAT, THAT JUST KIND OF FALLS IN.
ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE BOTH JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING IN AND, UM, WITH OUR EXISTING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO MOVING BACK INTO SOME OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE, UH, ADOPTED BY THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY MOVING INTO CHAPTER FOUR.
SO THAT'S EVERYTHING ON CHAPTER THREE.
UH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, I KNOW WE, WE WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK ON, UH, ONE OTHER ITEM ON THE WINDOW ALARMS, UH, FOR MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION.
UH, WE CAN DO THAT AFTERWARDS.
BUT ANY OTHER ITEMS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED ALL THE ONES THAT I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED WELL ENOUGH HERE, AND I CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE VETTING ON THE CITY SIDE AND D F D SIDE TO PRESENT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO CHAPTER FOUR IS, UH, PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS.
SO THE FIRST ONE, LET'S SEE HERE.
THIS IS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF APOLOGIZE THAT'S JUST GONNA SKIP AROUND ON ME.
THE EXCEL VERSION OF IT MAKES IT HARD TO TRY TO SEE EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, IT'S IN REFERENCE TO DIVING, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE MAIN INTENT IS, UH, DIVING WATER ENVELOPE SHALL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH.
SO INSTEAD OF, UH, USING THE TABLE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CODE REFERENCED HERE, SO WE'RE REPLACING THIS TABLE WITH, UH, THE TABLE THAT'S FOUND AND THE, UH, TECH AND HEALTH AND H E REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, THE STATE STANDARDS.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY JUST REPLACING THESE TWO DOCUMENTS OR TABLE AND, AND CHART, UH, TO MEET THE, UH, STATE REQUIREMENTS.
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MY ASSUMPTION WOULD, I HAVEN'T REALLY DELVED INTO IT TO SEE, UM, BILL, WOULD YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S MORE STRINGENT, LESS STRINGENT, WHAT IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ON THIS ONE? UM, BILL BEING, UH, HE'S THE ONE THAT'S, UM, PART OF THE GROUP THAT'S, UH, WORKING WITH THE STATE, UH, TO GET THESE ADOPTED.THE, UM, THIS PARTICULAR, I THINK YOU PROBABLY, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, BETTER THAN I CAN.
THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING WAS PUT TOGETHER IN 1984, HAS BEEN IN T A C, UH, TWO 65 CENTS.
UH, TABLE FOUR TWO IN THE I S P S C, UH, HAD, I THINK THE LAST TIME IT WAS, UH, UPDATED WAS, I WANNA SAY, IN 2000 OR 2001.
SO THE, UH, THE TABLE IN THE I S D S C IS A LATER VERSION CURRENTLY IN.
AND BILL, I HAD MANUALLY MUTED THAT EARLIER WHEN WE'RE GETTING THAT, UH, MUTED YOU EARLIER.
UH, IF YOU WANT SELF MUTE THIS TIME, THAT WAY, IF YOU HAVE A READ THE, LIKE TO JUMP IN LATER, YOU CAN, I'LL KEEP YOU UNMUTED ON THE, ON MY END.
I THINK WE'LL SEE UNDER THE, UH, UNDER THE, UH, REVISION OF, UH, WILL BE CHANGED.
SOME OF THESE ISSUES, SOME OF THESE ISSUES, WE'RE GONNA END UP RETTING AGAIN THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.
SO ANY ISSUES ON THIS ONE FOR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS? I, UM, MOVING INTO SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS, UH, LADDERS FOR DIVING EQUIPMENT LADDERS SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH TWO GRAB RAILS OR TWO HAND RAILS.
THERE SHALL BE A UNIFORM DISTANCE BETWEEN LADDER TRADE WITH A SEVEN INCH OR DISTANCE, A 12 INCH MINIMUM DISTANCE.
UM, SUPPORTS PLATFORM STEPS, LADDERS FOR DIVING EQUIPMENT SHALL BE DESIGNED TO CARRY THE ANTICIPATED LOADS, STEPS AND LADDERS SHALL BE, UH, CORROSION RESISTANT MATERIAL, EASILY CLEANABLE WITH, UH, SLIP RESISTANT TREAD.
UH, SO THIS IS PART OF THE GROUP, UM, SOME OF THE STANDARD AMENDMENTS BEING BROUGHT UP ACROSS THE STATE.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS VERBIAGE COMING FROM SOME OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, UH, KEEPING IT UNIFORM, UH, WITH THAT AND GIVING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR DETAIL.
SO, UM, UH, NEXT SECTION, THE, UH, NEXT SECTION IS TREAD DIMENSIONS.
IN AREAS TREAD SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM UNOBSTRUCTED HORIZONTAL DEPTH OR HORIZONTAL RUN OF 12 INCHES, AND A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 20 INCHES.
UM, AND ALSO, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS VERBIAGE THAT'S, UH, REQUIRED.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL, THIS IS SPECIFIC TO, UH, COMMERCIAL POOLS, UH, PUBLIC POOLS, UH, WHICH ARE REGULATED BY THE STATE.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF FALLING BACK INTO THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, RISERS, RISERS FOR STEPS SHALL BE, HAVE A MINIMUM, UH, MAXIMUM UNIFORM HEIGHT OF 10 INCHES.
BUT THE BOTTOM RISER HEIGHT ALLOWED TAP TO ZERO, UM, SWIM OUTS, UH, THIS SECTION 4 11, 5 0.1.
SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME.
UM, THE LEADING EDGE SHALL BE VISIBLE, SET APART AND PROVIDED WITH A HORIZONTAL SOLID OR BROKEN STRIPE AT LEAST ONE INCH WIDE ON THE TOP SURFACE ALONG THE FRONT LEADING EDGE OF EACH STEP, THE STRIPE SHALL BE PLAINLY VISIBLE TO PERSONS ON THE POOL DECK.
THE STRIP SHALL BE A CONSTRUCTING CONTRASTING COLORS THE BACKGROUND IN WHICH IT IS APPLIED, AND THE COLORS SHALL BE PROMINENT IN NATURE AND SHALL BE A SLIP RESISTANT SURFACE.
UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, KEEPING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE INTERNATIONAL POOL CODE, BUT ADDING, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE CODES.
UH, SO REALLY JUST ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE STRICTER TO IT, BUT THINGS THAT ANYBODY WOULD'VE TO FOLLOW AS, AS CURRENTLY UNDERWATER SEATS.
SECTION FIVE, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THE EXACT SAME, UH, ADDITION ABOUT THE LEADING EDGE.
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AND THEN, UH, SO THAT'S EVERYTHING ON CHAPTER FOUR, WHICH FOCUSES ON, UH, THE COMMERCIAL POOLS.ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IF NOT, UH, CHAPTER FIVE.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA, UM, ASK A QUESTION OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE CALL THAT BUILD COMMERCIAL POOLS, DOES ANYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ADD A SIGNIFICANT, I MEAN, IS ANY OF THIS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, UH, FROM WHAT'S BEEN DONE THAT THAT'LL, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE COSTS OR, OR OPERATING REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, I KNOW I HAVE SOME OF YOU ALL MUTED.
UH, PLEASE CHAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO JUMP IN ON SOME OF THIS.
UH, I CAN UNMUTE YOU TO GET, UM, SEEING, ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SEEING A WHOLE LOT OF, UM, CONTRACTORS LOOK LIKE A LOT OF THE CONTRACTORS HAVE JUMPED OFF ON US, MIKE.
UH, ACTUALLY, I DID GET A QUESTION FROM, UM, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE, UM, P H D A, UH, REGARDING FOUR 1.2 0.2.
CAN YOU EXPAND ON THE REASONING BEHIND THE CHANGE 0.1? SO THAT WOULD BE, RISERS FOR STEPS SHALL HAVE A MAXIMUM UNIFORM HEIGHT OF 10 INCHES WITH THE BOTTOM RISER HEIGHT ALLOWED TO TAPER TO ZERO, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE BOTTOM RISER SHALL HAVE A UNIFORM HEIGHT OF NOT GREATER THAN 12 INCHES AND MEASURED AT THE CENTER LINE.
THE BOTTOM RIGHT RISER HEIGHT IS ALLOWED TO VARY TO THE FLOOR.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ELO OR, OR JASON ON, DOES THIS SEEM A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIFORM WITH KIND OF, UH, OTHER PFIZER REQUIREMENTS? SO, UH, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE RISERS? YEAH, CORRECT.
UH, MR. UM, WIGGINS ASKED A QUESTION OF ON, SO THIS, THIS AMENDMENT REQUIREMENT, UH, RISERS AMENDING THE RISER REQUIREMENTS OF THE POOLS.
UH, THIS CAME FROM, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE.
RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE WE'D NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT BEFORE.
ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH TREADS AND RISERS IN THE POOL.
THIS, AGAIN, IS GONNA BE NEW AS PART OF THIS NEW CODE.
UH, BUT, UH, IN OUR LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS SAID THAT THIS HAS BEEN THEIR TYPICAL, UH, RISER DEPTH IN THE POOL.
SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ON THAT.
AND ALSO, I THINK, UH, SO THIS CHANGE MAKES IT TO WHERE THE FIRST RISER, SO THE ORIGINAL VERBIAGE, UH, STRUCK OUT HERE, EXCEPT FOR THE BOTTOM RISER, SHALL HAVE A UNIFORM, UH, HEIGHT OF NOT GREATER THAN 12 INCHES MEASURED AT THE CENTER LINE.
THE BOTTOM RISER IS ALLOWED TO VARY TO THE FLOOR.
YEAH, AGAIN, THAT, THAT WASN'T ANYTHING WE LOOKED AT PRIOR TO THIS.
SO THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE, IT'S BEEN IN THE CODE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE STATE CODE AND, AND PREVIOUS REQUIREMENTS.
WE JUST HADN'T, UH, WE, WE HADN'T ADOPTED IT, SO WE HADN'T BEEN DOING THESE INSPECTIONS BEFORE.
UM, SO EXCEPT FOR THE BOTTOM RISER, SHE'LL HAVE A UNIFORM HEIGHT.
SO, UH, SO THE REAL QUESTION IS JUST WHY FROM 12 INCHES TO 10 INCHES? UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, SO THE, I THINK, UM, MR. WIGGINS, THE, THE REASONING BEHIND, UH, THE, IS TO AVOID CONFLICT WITH 25 T A C CHAPTER 2 6 5 0.186.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST TO KEEP IT UNIFORM.
AND SO, UM, HAVING A, IT'S, IT'S MORE STRICT, UH, BUT IT'S UNIFORM WITH, UM, WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES, UH, AS FAR AS STRICTNESS.
SO, UH, WE ARE MAKING IT MORE STRICT THAN THE I C C REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ENFORCED AND REQUIRED, UH, ON THE STATE LEVEL, UM, PER THEIR, UH, STANDARDS AND ADOPTION CODES.
UH, SO THAT'S THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THE CHANGE.
UH, LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS ON THAT, OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, LEMME KNOW IN THE CHAT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, I'LL ALLOW SOME MORE DIALOGUE ON THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S EVERYTHING ON CHAPTER FOUR.
UH, CHAPTER FIVE IS PUBLIC FALLS AND PUBLIC EXERCISE FALLS.
UH, THERE ARE NO RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS
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TO THAT CHAPTER.UH, CHAPTER SIX IS A AQUATIC RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ULTIMATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, WATER PARKS.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE AMENDMENT COMING FROM THAT ONE.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS COMING FROM A LOT OF THE OTHERS MUNICIPALITIES.
UH, BOTH OF THESE ARE, UH, TO AVOID CONFLICT WITH, UH, TOUCHER 2 65 OF THE, UH, TEXAS ASSISTABILITY CODE.
UM, THE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THESE SECTIONS SPECIFICALLY, UH, ALL OF THE MARKINGS AND INDICATORS.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THESE TWO SECTIONS? UM, SO THAT 6 0 3 0.2 IS ABOUT MARKING AS AND INDICATORS.
AND THEN, UH, SECTION 10.5 0.1, UM, I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST HAD.
FULL STEPS, UNIFORM HEIGHTS OF NINE INCHES, UH, JUST CHANGING IT FROM NINE INCHES TO 10 INCHES, UH, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE, THE EXISTING, UH, STANDARDS WITHIN THE CITY, I AM SORRY, WITHIN, WITHIN THE STATE.
UH, THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR CHAPTER SIX.
MOVING INTO CHAPTER SEVEN, SO CHAPTER SEVEN AND EIGHT, UH, SO CHAPTER SEVEN, THIS IS ALL GONNA BE VERY NEW.
UH, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT OF ON-GROUND STORABLE RESIDENTIAL SWIMMING POOLS.
UH, SO BEFORE WE NEVER REALLY HAD ANY REQUIREMENTS, UM, ON, ON, ON GROUND POOL REQUIREMENTS.
UH, BUT THE ONLY AMENDMENTS WE'RE HAVING ARE, ARE ONCE AGAIN, UH, WATER CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, AND I THINK ALSO, UH, SANITATION REQUIREMENTS COMING IN FROM SAS.
UM, ONE QUESTION COMING IN FROM MR. WIGGINS, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK WHEN WE, UH, CAN I SPEAK WHEN WE GET TO SECTION 7 0 4 6 3? OKAY.
UH, YEAH, I'LL, UM, I'LL UNMUTE YOU HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, MR. WIGGINS, WHEN WE GET TO THAT SECTION, UH, FIRST ONE BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAWS REQUIRES THAT RESIDENTIAL, UH, POOLS HAVE A, THE HOSE BID NEAREST THE SWIMMING POOL TO HAVE A END TIMER INSTALLED.
UH, ANY, SO THAT'D BE BOTH SECTION 7 0 1 0.6, AND 8 0 1 0.3.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO SECTIONS IS JUST ON GROUND AND, UH, IN GROUND POOLS.
UH, BUT THE SAME, SAME REQUIREMENTS.
WHY, WHY IS THE SAND MEDIA FILTERS JUST IF ANYBODY ELSE ON THERE NOT, UH, WANTED FOR COMMERCIAL POOLS? UM, SO THE SAND MEDIA FILTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY SPECIFIED IN THE SAWS REQUIREMENTS.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE, UH, COMING FROM THE SAWS, UH, CHAPTER, UH, CITY CHAPTER OR CITY CODES, UH, THAT ARE REGULATED ON THE, ON THE POOLS AND SPAS THAT ARE KIND OF ENFORCED BY SAWS OR REQUIRED BY SAWS.
UM, AND THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SPECIFIED SAM MEDIA FILTERS WERE NOT ALLOWED, UH, IN THE RESIDENTIAL POOLS.
HAVE WE HAD ANY, UH, FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS FROM POOL BUILDERS ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING, COMMERCIAL POOLS, WHETHER IT'S BLOW BACK, I, I HAVE THE BEST PERFORMANCE USING SAND FILTERS IS THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR RESIDENTIAL.
I, I DON'T BUILD COMMERCIAL POOLS, BUT FROM RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, THE SAND FILTERS ARE BY FAR THE MOST EFFICIENT BEST FOR THE USER, UM, FOR LONG TERM WISE, UM, BETTERING COST WISE, LONG TERM.
SO, UH, I MEAN, OTHERWISE YOU'VE GOTTA USE A DEMENTIA EARTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CALL THAT IS, UM, HAS DONE THOSE AND, AND WOULD'VE FEEDBACK.
UH, SO THIS IS, UH, MR. GRAYSON WIGGINS.
HE DOES HAVE SOME ITEMS HE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS ON THIS POINT.
YEAH, I'M, I'M THE SENIOR MANAGER OF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS FOR THE POOL AND HOT TUB ALLIANCE, AND WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS, UH, MANY OF WHICH ARE POOL BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS.
AND, UH, T P S C IS A CHAPTER OF OURS DOWN IN TEXAS.
AND THIS WAS BY FAR, UH, THE AMENDMENT THAT GATHERED THE MOST CONCERN FROM OUR, OUR MEMBERS.
UH, THEY DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE PROHIBITED EITHER.
UM, DOING SOME RESEARCH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAUCE CODE WAS CHANGED ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO DURING, UM, A DROUGHT
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TIME.UH, I THINK THE, THE INITIAL CHANGE WAS PROBABLY MADE AS A THOUGHT TO CONSERVING WATER.
UH, BUT A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE, HAVE, UH, SINCE TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS, UM, AN INCORRECT ASSUMPTION ON, ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO CHANGED THE CODE, AND THAT THE SAND MEDIA FILTERS, UM, DON'T ACTUALLY WASTE WATER.
AND, AND THEY'RE JUST AS CONSERVATIVE AS OTHER TYPES OF FILTERS.
UH, AND SO WE WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF OUR MEMBERS PREFER THAT THAT AMENDMENT BE TAKEN OUT, JUST RESPECTFULLY CONCUR.
UM, LET ME, UM, WHAT I'LL DO IS GO AHEAD AND MARK THAT DOWN.
UH, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS, ADDING IT IN THIS CODE DOESN'T CHANGE THE CITY CODE, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT, UM, WHAT REQUIREMENTS ARE OUT THERE FOR THIS.
AND JEREMY, UH, THIS IS GRAYSON.
IF, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT CHANGING THE OTHER CODE, MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UH, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK FOR OUR MEMBERS, THIS WAS THE ISSUE THAT RAISED THE MOST CONCERN, UNDERSTANDABLY.
I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONCE AGAIN, NOT REALLY BEING INTO THE INDUSTRY, UM, NOT AWARE OF THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE THERE.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE.
ONCE AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW BRIAN, YOU SAID YOU DO MOSTLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, BUT I, IF IT'S THAT UNIFORM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, AND I COULD ASSUME IT'S PROMINENT HERE IN THE CITY, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST NOBODY WAS ENFORCING IT.
I'M NOT SURE, ONCE AGAIN, WHO REALLY OVERSEES, UH, THE CITY CODE REQUIREMENT AND ENFORCES IT.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE, UH, SAUL STANDS ON IT.
UH, BUT YEAH, SO I THINK IT WON'T BE TOO BIG OF AN ISSUE WITH US TO ADDRESS IT HERE, UH, TO NOT REQUIRE IT.
BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO SASON, SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES.
UH, MY THOUGHT IS I, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND KIND OF MENTION THAT TO THEM AS WELL AND SEE IS IT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S STILL PERTINENT TO THEM AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEIR CONCERNS? UM, IF, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET DIRECTED THAT WE NEED TO BE PART OF THAT ENFORCEMENT SIDE, THAT WOULD COME FROM CITY COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE, UH, SOMETHING WE BRING BACK UP.
UH, BUT I THINK MOVING FORWARD, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING AS PART OF THIS THAT REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE THAT PART OF OUR CODE.
AND IF YOU NEED ANY BACKGROUND ON THAT INFORMATION OR ANY ASSISTANCE, WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THIS, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK AND TALK TO, AND WE'RE NOT, THIS THE LAST MEETING WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THIS, IN THIS SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, BUT THE PROCESS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A A COMMITTEE, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS AND MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL BOARD ON WHAT STAYS AND WHAT GO COMES OUT.
AND THEN THE BOARD WILL MAKE, YOU KNOW, WE EITHER ADOPT THAT RECOMMENDATION OR, OR ADOPT THEIR OWN.
AND THEN, AND THEN IT GOES TO THE CITY FOR, TO EITHER BE ADOPTED OR NOT THAT I'VE GOT THAT.
SO WE, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL BOARD THAT 7 0 4, 6 3 AND EIGHT 10.3 DON'T GET INCLUDED.
UM, IF, IF AFTER YOU TALK TO SASS THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL AGREE ON, IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, UM, UH, FOR PROCEDURAL, UH, THE OPTIONS OF COURSE WILL BE AFTER WE KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT'S PENDING AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, AFTER OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF THE AMENDMENTS, THE COMMITTEE CAN MAKE THE DECISION OF, UM, OF SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MIN MINOR STUFF THAT WE COULD PROBABLY LISTEN TO WITH THE FULL BOARD ON A SMALLER, UH, AT A SMALL DURATION.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND COMMITTEE MEETING, OR THEY CAN SAY, NO, WE DO WANT ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING TO KIND OF VET SOME OF THESE ITEMS ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE GO TO THE FULL BOARD.
I, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE ON HOW THEY HANDLE THAT.
BUT NO MATTER WHAT, IT DOES STILL NEED TO GO TO THE FULL BOARD AND BE PRESENTED AND ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE ON, UH, THESE DOCUMENTS, YOU KNOW, SO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS RIGHT NOW THAT'S STRIKED FROM IT IF I NEED TO ADD IT BACK.
THOSE ARE CHANGES THAT WE WOULD MAKE, UH, AND PRESENT TO THE, EITHER THE COMMITTEE OR THE FULL BOARD BEFORE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL WITH IT.
UM, SO WHILE WE'RE IN THIS AREA, THE THE HOSE END TIMER, I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT A SIMILAR, I MEAN, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THE WAY I, I SEE THE HOSE END, THE HOSE, THE END TIMER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF I'M
UM, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST ADDING COST ON BUILDING A POOL, UH, TO NO REAL EFFECT MY OPINION ON IT.
I, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF GETTING RID OF THOSE AS WELL.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, JUST COMING FROM THE SAW.
SO, UH, MY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE ENFORCING AGENCY IS, UM, CURRENTLY OR HOW THAT ENFORCEMENT IS, IS HANDLED.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO ONE OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH A, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT IT STAYS ON, I MEAN, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, THESE ARE JUST SOMETHING YOU SCREW ON, RIGHT? IT CAN EASILY BE TAKEN OFF AFTER THE, AFTER AN INSPECTION.
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YEAH.UM, THEY WOULD CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN PROBABLY THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THEM ON THERE WOULD HAVE SPENCER
UM, I'D SAY 90% OF MY SERVICE CALLS THAT ARE IN REGARD TO HIGH WATER BILLS THAT WE GO OUT TO, UM, TEND TO BE THIS EXACT, UM, FEATURE PULL FEATURE THAT, THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF HERE BEING INOPERABLE.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH TAKING THAT OFF THE LIST THERE, BECAUSE WE RUN A LOT OF, ACROSS A LOT OF THEM WHERE THEY'RE WASTING WATER AND JUST CREATING JUST REALLY HIGH ABSORBENT BILLS.
I'VE SEEN BILLS, YOU KNOW, TWO, $3,000 OFF OF THESE THINGS.
SO I, I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR HAVING IT REMOVED.
DEFEAT PURPOSE IN THE INTENT OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS, UH, I'LL REMOVE THESE REQUIREMENTS, UM, FROM OUR AMENDMENTS.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, ONCE I TALK TO SAS, UM, YOU KNOW, GET SOME, GET SOME IDEAS ON, ON THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS COMING FROM THEM, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUSHBACK FROM THE CITY ON, ON, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
IF I DO GET THAT, THEN OF COURSE WE'LL, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO ADD IT BACK OR AMEND ANY AMENDMENTS TO IT, WE'LL, UH, REPRESENT THAT TO THE COMMITTEE AND OR BOARD.
UH, BILL, I SEE YOUR QUESTION.
UH, 8 0 3 0.1, I THINK, UH, MAYBE 8, 8 1 OH IS PROBABLY A GOOD SUGGESTION.
GIVEN THE DISTRACTIONS AVAILABLE TODAY.
UH, HOSES ARE OFTEN FORGOTTEN.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I, SO, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT'S COMING IN FROM BILL IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S IN FAVOR OF JUST BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO, TO REGULATE IT, AND YOU DON'T FORGET ABOUT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT MIGHT BE TRYING TO GET SOME DATA AND SEE, UH, HOW OFTEN ARE PEOPLE FILL FILLING THEIR POOLS AND HOW OFTEN ARE THEY OVERFILLING 'EM.
UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T ENFORCE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.
UM, 'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, PART OF THE CITY CODE.
UH, SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT A D S D ITEM, UH, DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UH, SOMEBODY ISN'T OUT THERE ENFORCING IT AND REQUIRING IT.
UM, AND I'M JUST NOT SURE ON, ON THAT REQUIREMENT OF, OF WHERE THAT FALLS.
YEAH, I, I WOULD, UH, I, I THINK BILL MAKES A GREAT POINT, BUT I'LL SAY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A POOL OWNER WHO ONE TIME, UH, EARLY ON IN MY OWNERSHIP OF THE POOL LEFT THE, THE HOSE RUNNING, UH, AND, AND TURNED MY REGULAR POOL INTO AN INFINITY POOL.
UM, AND NOW, UH, IT, IT SHALL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
SO I THINK THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IN THE INBORN INCENTIVES, I THINK, UM, END UP BEING EFFECTIVE, BUT I THINK IT BRINGS A GOOD POINT.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, THE LAST AMENDMENT ITEM, UH, ONCE AGAIN FALLS BACK INTO, UH, TRYING TO, UH, BE UNIFORM WITH, UH, THE ADOPTED CODES.
UM, ACTUALLY IT IS, UH, UH, ACTUALLY MORE JUST, UM, MINIMAL STANDARDS.
AND, UM, SO THE MINIMAL DIVING WATER ENVELOPES SHALL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH TABLE 8 0 4 0.1 AND FIGURE 8 0 4 0.1.
SO THOSE WERE TABLES THAT WE CHANGED, UH, UNDER THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, BUT WE'RE NOT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, SO THIS IS IN STATE, UH, MANDATED REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS MORE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
UH, THIS WAS PULLED FROM THE OTHER, UH, CITIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT WERE ADOPTING THIS CODE MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS OR WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF INHERENT.
UH, I THINK MO JUST KIND OF CLARIFIES THAT, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE A, A TABLE AND A STAND AND A DRAWING THAT KINDA GIVES YOU SOME DOCUMENTATION ON, ON LIABILITY, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE ENVELOPE NEEDS TO STILL MEET AS MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS OF THE DIVING EQUIPMENT.
UH, SO, UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? ONCE AGAIN, IT, IT'S MORE OF A, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE MANUFACTURER'S SPECIFICATIONS.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL THE RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS.
UH, UH, JEREMY, REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GO BACK UP TO THE, I THINK THE WINDOW THING IS PROBABLY THE ONE THING THAT WE STILL NEED TO, TO REVISIT, OR THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER THING AS WELL, BUT, UM, WE TYPICALLY DON'T ADOPT APPENDICES, UM, WHEN WE ADOPT, UM, I CODES, IS THAT GONNA BE THE SAME HERE? UH, AND IF, AND IF SO, IS THERE A VERBIAGE SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT ADOPTING THEEND? UH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
LET ME, UH, GET BACK TO THE CODES AND STANDARDS.
THIS SHALL BE THOSE THAT ARE LISTED IN CHAPTER.
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SO CORRECT.UH, I THINK, UM, THAT'S NOT HERE.
UH, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD, UH, ONLY ADOPT, AND I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE IF WE'RE GONNA ADOPT CHAPTER 11, THE REFERENCE STANDARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE TYPICAL EITHER.
UM, ACTUALLY, YES, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT HERE, UM, CHAPTERS, UM, I'LL NEED TO LOOK AND SEE HOW WE WANT TO VER UH, VERBALIZE THAT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S USUALLY IN THE CHAPTER 10 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ADOPTION, WE KIND OF SAY WE'RE ADOPTING THESE SECTIONS OR THESE CHAPTERS OF THE CODE.
UH, TYPICALLY YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WOULD, UH, ONLY TALK ABOUT, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE, WE TYPICALLY DON'T ADOPT CHAPTER ONE.
WE ARE GONNA ADOPT CHAPTER ONE ON THIS ONE, BUT SPECIFICALLY JUST SECTIONS 1 0 2 AND 1 0 2 3 1 0 1 AND 1 0 2, AND DELETE OUT 1 0 3 POINT, UH, THROUGH 1 0 8.
AND I THINK WE'LL, UH, PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING ON THE ADOPTION OF THE OTHER CHAPTERS AND OPEN UP OUR CHAPTER 10 RIGHT NOW FOR REFERENCE.
UM, IN THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE, WE'LL IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT CHAPTERS WE'RE ADOPTING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN, NOT IDENTIFYING THE ADOPTION OF ANY APPENDICES THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ACTUAL ADOPTION OF THEM.
IT WOULD BE CHAPTER ONE THROUGH 11, UH, AS MODIFIED.
SO THAT, THAT TO TO, TO ADOPT AN APPEND APPENDIX, IT'S DONE EXPLICITLY, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, EXACTLY.
SO CHRIS, SO I'M CLEAR, IS THERE ANYTHING ON ANY VERBIAGE ON ANY THAT KIND OF, UM, INHERENT TO OUR PROCESS AND, AND NOTHING NEEDED TO BE ADDED IN THIS DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW? IT'LL BE ADDED IN THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO THE WINDOW SECTION, I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT MORE IN DEPTH 3 0 5 0.4.
UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, I, I KNOW SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WE HAD, WE HAD THE, UH, STAKEHOLDER MEETING, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, DURING THAT MEETING, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU LOSE A WINDOW, YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM, YOU GOTTA MAKE 'EM INOPERABLE.
UM, OR YOU PUT THESE ALARMS ON THERE.
UH, NOT, NOT, UH, SPECIFICALLY BRIAN'S CONCERNS OF, OF NOT BEING ABLE TO, UH, ACTUALLY INSTALL LITTLE ALARM, BUT MORE OF IT'S, WELL, NOW I CAN'T EVER OPEN THAT, UH, WINDOW WITHOUT HAVING THIS ALARM THAT'S CONSTANTLY GOING.
UH, THE KIND OF TALKS ABOUT IT BEING CONTINUOUS, UH, SO THERE'S NOT LIKE A SHUTOFF OF IT.
UH, SO NOW IT BECOMES THIS NUISANCE ALARM, AND THE CONCERN IS THAT YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST IMMEDIATELY REMOVE IT AS SOON AS YOU MOVE IN OR COMPLETE AN INSPECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE GOAL IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE INTENT IS WE HAVE SOMETHING THERE, UH, TO PROTECT THESE WINDOWS, UH, BUT IS IT ENFORCEABLE? AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE STUFF OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN INSTALL TO GIVE US THAT ALARM? AND ALSO IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T BECOME A NUISANCE THAT IMMEDIATELY GETS REMOVED BY THE HOMEOWNER.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT LOSES ENTIRE INTENT AND NOW IT'S JUST A TAX ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A POOL, UH, THAT REALLY WON'T GIVE US ANYTHING BEYOND THE INSPECTION.
JEREMY, I THINK MAYBE ANOTHER, THINK ABOUT THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT TELLS US THAT THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, CHILD DEATHS AS A RESULT OF KIDS CLIMBING OUT OF A WINDOW THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT BACKS UP TO A RESIDENTIAL POOL? UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE DANCE WE ALWAYS DO WITH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CODES IS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY VERSUS, UH, COST AND NEED, AND YEAH.
UM, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE AN UNDERLYING REASON THAT THIS WAS, WAS PUT IN THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT AWARE OF? UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I SAID THIS DURING THE STAKEHOLDER MEETING AND, UM, WITH BRIAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE HAVING THIS IN HERE.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME REALLY COMPELLING REASON, UM, TO DO SO.
UM, YEAH, LET ME, I CAN ALSO TRY TO SEE IF I CAN, UM, SEE MAYBE WHEN IT WAS ADDED, UH, TO THE I C C ONCE AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOW ADOPTING THE I CCC FOR THE FIRST TIME.
UM, YEAH, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA USE TOO CONTROVERSIAL OF A, OF A, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A METAPHOR, JUST A COMPARISON, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT A FIREARM, YOU KNOW, FIREARM HAS A MECHANICAL SAFETY ON IT, BUT THE PRIMARY SAFETY ON A FIREARM IS THE PERSON HOLDING IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT OWNS A POOL AND HAS SMALL CHILDREN, THE PRIMARY SAFETY FEATURE OF THAT IS, IS THE PARENT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A FORTRESS AROUND THE POOL, UH, BECOMES,
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UM, YOU KNOW, UNNECESSARY, COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AT A CERTAIN POINT.AND NOT, NOT ONLY THAT, THERE, THERE ARE SCREENS THAT ARE PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM, I MEAN, IT'S NOT EASY FOR A LITTLE KID TO GO RIGHT THROUGH A WINDOW AND IT'D BE POSSIBLE YES.
BUT I, I'M AGAINST HAVING THAT REQUIREMENT IN THERE.
I THINK IT'S TOO DIFFICULT TO TRY TO ENFORCE WITH THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF WINDOWS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, AND I, I, I JUST THINK IT'S AN EXTRA, UM, BUREAUCRATIC THING THAT I, I HAVEN'T SEEN, LIKE, UH, MIKE TALKING ABOUT.
I, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY PARTICULAR BIG NEED.
HEY, WE HAD 10 PEOPLE THIS YEAR THAT'S DIED FROM THIS.
I, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY ISSUE ON IT, EVER.
I KNOW YOU'RE DOING MORE RESEARCH, BUT WE HAVE OUR, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME THAT'S, UH, HERE FROM THE STATE THAT REPRESENTS THE WHOLE STATE.
UM, IS HE STILL ON HERE? HERE? SO, UH, YEAH.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CHAT? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, UM, SO GRAYSON WIGGINS HAS BEEN TALKING YES, SPEAKING WITH US.
HE'S, UH, THE CHIEF PRESIDENT FOR THE, UH, ALLIANCE FOR POOL AND HOT TUBS, BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT KEVIN TUCKER.
SO IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, I'M GONNA UNMUTE, UH, MR. TUCKER, UH, HE SAID HE MIGHT HAVE SOME GOOD, UH, DIALOGUE FOR US FOR THAT, A QUESTION FOR HIM OR MR. GRAYSON, WHICH WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY REPRESENT THE WHOLE STATE.
IS SAN ANTONIO ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRING TO BLOCK ALL OUR WINDOWS OR HAVE ALARMS ON, SOMEBODY WANTS TO OPEN UP ALL THEIR WINDOWS IN THE SPRINGTIME AND GET A, A FRESH AIR GOING THROUGH THEIR HOUSE, AND NOW THEY CAN'T OPEN THE WINDOWS OR ALL THEIR ALARMS GOING OFF.
UM, OR I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS ONEROUS FOR SOMETHING, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING DRASTIC THAT JUST HAPPENED TO SLIP THROUGH THE NEWS WITH ALL THIS COVID THAT MAYBE NONE OF US HEARD ABOUT.
UH, WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND ALL THIS? THIS IS KEVIN TUCKER.
I PERSONALLY, I I ALSO AGREE THAT IT CAN BE A PAIN TO HAVE ALARMS ON WINDOWS, BUT, UH, THERE CERTAINLY ARE CASES OF, OF KIDS DROWNING THIS WAY.
IN FACT, I AM AWARE OF ONE IN LIBERTY, TEXAS THAT WAS UP THE WINDOW, BUT ACTUALLY THE KID WENT OUT THROUGH THE DOGGY DOOR.
SO KIDS GO OUT IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT WE DON'T EXPECT.
AND OF COURSE, THE INTENTION IS TO REDUCE THOSE DROWNINGS.
UNFORTUNATELY, TEXAS HAS BEEN NUMBER ONE IN DROWNINGS, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO BE PROUD OF.
UM, HOW MANY OF THEM HAPPEN THROUGH WINDOWS? I HAVEN'T SEEN THE STATISTICS EITHER, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I'VE MET WITH TOO MANY OF THESE FAMILIES WHO'VE HAD KIDS DROWN.
AND IT CERTAINLY HAPPENS IN ALL KINDS OF SITUATIONS THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT.
SO, UH, AND SAN ANTONIO CERTAINLY IS NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS ADOPTED THIS.
THERE ARE MANY OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE THAT DO REQUIRE ALARMS ON WINDOWS.
UM, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS PROMOTED BY THE CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION, AND IT'S BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, BUT I'M SURE JUST LIKE YOU ALL, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE RESISTANT TO IT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, MY BACKYARD, I WOULD CERTAINLY BE RESISTANT TO IT AS WELL.
UM, IN MY CASE, WE HAVE A SWIM SPA WITH A COVER ON IT, SO THAT MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ALARMS ON THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, TOO OFTEN THESE KIDS ARE DROWNING, UM, WHEN THE PARENTS DON'T REALIZE WHAT THE DANGER IS.
AND, AND I ALSO AGREE THAT MANY CASES IN CITIES WHERE THEY ARE REQUIRED AND REQUIRED ON THE DOORS, IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT IN MANY OF THOSE CITIES, AS SOON AS THE FINAL INSPECTION'S GIVEN THE HOMEOWNER TAKES THE ALARM OFF THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY CAN'T SOLVE ALL THOSE PROBLEMS. BUT, UH, I WILL SAY THAT THE INTENTION IS ABSOLUTELY FOR DROWNING PREVENTION, AND IT IS A DANGER, AND HOW MUCH WE WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT THEN BECOMES THE ISSUE.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S NEW IN THE CODE.
I, I AGREE AS FAR AS FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, BUT JUST LIKE YOU SAID, I MEAN, IT IS A SHAME FOR THOSE THINGS HAPPENING.
BUT LIKE THEY SAID, MOST OF IT HAS TO DO WITH AL IT'S GOING THROUGH A DOOR.
AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE HERE THAT PREVENTS SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL.
SO IT, IT'S JUST FROM THE WINDOW.
THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SOMETHING, EVEN YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ONES AND CAN'T REMEMBER OF AN INSTANCE.
SO I JUST DON'T THINK THERE IS A DEMAND FOR IT.
PLUS IT CAN'T MEET FOR EVERY KIND OF WINDOW THAT'S OUT THERE, HAMENT WINDOWS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
THERE'S NOT A, AN ALARM THAT WORKS FOR THIS INTENT OF CODE FOR EVERY KIND OF PRODUCT OUT THERE.
SO DOORS, I THINK IT WORKS QUITE WELL 'CAUSE GOING IN AND OUT, THAT IN AND OUT, THAT THAT'S BEEN AN EFFECTIVE, UM, DETERRENT.
BUT THE WINDOWS I, I THINK, ARE OUR REACH.
AND OVERALL, I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT FITS THE CONSENT CONTINGENCY FOR, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OF THE CITY.
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AND THERE JUST HASN'T BEEN, UM, AN UPROAR OF IT.SO, UM, MY, MY VOTE WOULD BE TO, TO REMOVE IT.
JEREMY, JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, I DID WANNA MENTION HE DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, THE CODE READS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING SHALL BE REQUIRED.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THREE POSSIBILITIES.
SO JUST, I KNOW IT DOESN'T MAKE A HUGE, TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE.
HOWEVER, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE POOL COVER THAT YOU CAN DO IN LIEU OF, OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SELF-CLOSING DOORS AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA THROW THAT IN THERE, THAT THAT IS ONE OF THREE OPTIONS, BUT YOU CAN DO A SELF-CLOSING WINDOW.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
I, I KNOW I SAW THAT AS WELL, AND I WAS HOPING IT WOULD BE THERE, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SELF-CLOSING DOORS, I LOVE THAT FOR THE GATES, FOR THE OUTSIDE, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, AROUND FENCES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, THAT KIND OF SAFETY THING.
I, I'M A FOSTER CARE PARENT, SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE HAD TO DO FOR AROUND THE POOL THAT MAKES SENSE.
JUST DOESN'T UNDERSTAND
SO TO HAVE THESE SAFETY FEATURES ON THERE AS A LUXURY ITEM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD REALLY BE CUT SO, SO MUCH.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M WOULD VOTE, YOU KNOW, AGAINST IT, BUT KIND OF ON THE FENCE ON THIS ONE.
UM, YEAH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, I, I AGREE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, VET THIS ONE, UH, WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE D S D, UH, SIT DOWN WITH AMIN AND MIKE AND SEE HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THIS.
UM, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE, YOU KNOW, CUT, MAYBE TRY TO FIND, UM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF REMOVING IT, AMENDING IT, UH, TO, UH, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ENFORCEABLE.
ALSO NEED TO TRY TO FIND, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY AND SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO SOME OF THESE CASE IN POINT, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, BRIAN'S BRINGING UP OF WINDOWS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN INSTALL IT ON.
SO NOW YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CERTAIN WINDOW NOW YOU'RE FORCED ADD A SECONDARY BARRIER.
UM, SO I GUESS, UM, I, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT MY THOUGHTS ARE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GIVE THE CITY A CHANCE TO KIND OF CONDUCT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK UP EITHER AT THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING OR MAYBE EVEN WITH BOARD SO WE HAVE SOME MORE MEMBERS TO KIND OF GET A CHANCE TO, UH, DISCUSS IT NO MATTER WHAT.
I'M SURE IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT GETS HIGHLIGHTED AT THE BOARD MEETING, UH, FOR REVIEW.
UH, AND GENERAL CONSENSUS, JEREMY? WELL, I'M NOT A, UH, I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW THAT JUST LIKE, UH, WAS STATED EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, PARENTS OF AFTER THE FACT, LIKE FIRE AND ANY OTHER DANGER AND TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENS IS WHY DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING? WHY DIDN'T THE CITY DO SOMETHING? WHY DIDN'T THE CI CITY REQUIRE SOMETHING? AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A POOL, I OWN A POOL, I'VE GOT A COMMUNITY POOL THAT HAS WINDOWS FROM A CLUBHOUSE, UH, ET CETERA.
SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CITY SIDE OF IT.
WITH THAT SAID, IT, IT SEEMINGLY MORE OBVIOUS IN THESE KIND OF CASES THAT THERE SHOULD BE VERBIAGE THAT, THAT, THAT ALL THESE PRECAUTIONS COULD FALL ON THE OWNER TO ANALYZE AND DECIDE WHAT, WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM, WHETHER IT BE A HOMEOWNER OR A BUSINESS OWNER.
AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND MAINTAIN THEM AND, AND DO WHAT THEY DEEM SAFE GOING THROUGH WINDOWS AND DOORS.
UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY HAVING TO GO WEEKLY OR MONTHLY OR DAILY AND CHECK EVERYBODY'S WINDOWS TO SEE IF THEY'RE CLOSING THEM, OPENING THEM UP, HAVING AN ALARM ON 'EM, DON'T HAVE AN ALARM ON 'EM.
BUT AT SOME POINT IT'S GOTTA FALL ON, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HIGHLY RECOMMEND, UH, TO WEAR A MASK AND ALSO HAVE ALARMS ON THEIR WINDOWS.
BUT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T DO IT, THEN IT'S NOT THE CITY'S FAULT.
IT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S, UH, PURE CHOICE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY DID WITH THEIR HOUSE.
AND IF WE KEEP, KEEP IT IN JACK, WE KEEP THIS IN THE CODE, AND IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, THEN THAT COUPLE IS NOW LIABLE BECAUSE THE CODE SAID YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT ALARM ON THAT WINDOW, SO SOMEHOW THAT ALARM WAS OFF 'CAUSE YOU WANTED THAT BREEZY DAY AND SOMEONE GOT OUT, NOW YOU'RE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I, JUST, AS FAR AS FOR THIS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ENDED UP ADDING ANOTHER FENCE FOR OUR HOUSE.
I'VE GOT A POOL, WE'VE GOT THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE AS A COUPLE MADE THE DECISION TO ADD A SECONDARY BARRIER, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE TOLD TO US THAT THIS
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IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.UH, IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING IT SAFE WITH THE DOORS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I JUST THINK WITH THE WINDOWS AND THE SCREENS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
PLUS THE REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T HEARD OF THIS BEING AN ISSUE.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A POOL, UH, WITHIN A LARGE FENCED AREA PLUS A FENCE AROUND THE POOL AGAIN.
AND THE, THE TRUTH WITH THAT IS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, A KID, A A REALLY, THESE RESILIENT KIDS THAT CAN CLIMB OVER A BABY BED AND GET OUT CAN SURE AS HECK GET OUT IN THE BACKYARD AND CLIMB OVER THAT LITTLE FENCE I GOT.
BUT I'M TRYING, I'VE GOT WHAT, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH, BUNCH OF BARRIERS.
AND, UH, TO ME, I THINK PROBABLY THE SMARTEST THING, WHICH I DON'T HAVE, IS ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU PUT IN THE POOL THAT SCREAMS LIKE CRAZY IF THERE'S ANYTHING LARGER THAN A BEE OR A BUTTERFLY THAT GETS IN THAT WATER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PREVENT EVERYTHING, BUT IT DOES FALL ON THE HOMEOWNER AND THE, AND THE PERSON THAT OWNS A POOL, AS YOU SAY.
THERE'S, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REQUIRING A FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY TO KEEP PEOPLE THAT WHO AREN'T
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVE A POOL.
WE, UNTIL OUR KIDS ARE OLD ENOUGH, HAVE A POOL BECAUSE WE WANNA DEAL WITH KIDS CRAWL AROUND AND HAVING KEEP, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT CODE, REFERENCE ITEM
I IMAGINE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE, UH, WOULD PROBABLY FEEL THE SAME WAY, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE KNOW THAT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE TO PASS INSPECTION AND THEN CIRCUMVENTED IMMEDIATELY.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET THE ESTIMATE.
HEY, UM, UH, MIKE, THIS IS RO I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR JEREMY AND, AND KIND OF TO YOUR POINT.
UM, SO WE HAD A GOOD STRONG POINT A LITTLE WHILE AGO ON A CODE REFERENCE THAT WE TOOK OUT FOR THE SAND FILTERS.
THERE WAS HISTORY BEHIND THAT, MEANING, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME WHEN THEY CREATED THAT CODE, THERE WAS A DROUGHT, AND THE INTENT WAS, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME, TIMES HAVE CHANGED AGAIN, IS THERE ANY HISTORY ON THIS PARTICULAR CODE THAT WE CAN AMEND, UH, KIND OF SEE BOTH SIDES, AND THE REASON WHY IS, WHY IT'S IN EFFECT OR, UH, TO KIND OF GET A GOOD SUBSTATION ON, ON, ON, UH, KEEPING IT OR NOT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE MY DECISION ON WHY WAS IT, WHY WAS IT, WHAT WAS THE REAL INTENT BEHIND IT? AND JUST LIKE THE SAND FILTERS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAIN.
THEY, THEY DON'T WASTE WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAD HISTORY ON THAT, AND THAT WAS AN EASY WAY TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAD NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER ACROSS THE BOARD ABOUT REMOVING THAT ONE ON THIS ONE.
UH, IF JEREMY HAS ANY HISTORY ON WHY THIS INTENT, THIS CODE WAS ADOPTED, UH, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR ALL OF US TO DECIDE WHETHER TO GO WITH IT OR NOT.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY HISTORY BEHIND THAT.
UM, SO ONE OF OUR ATTENDEES, MR. BILL IRVIN, UM, SENT ME SOME INFORMATION, UH, FEDERAL FI, GB AND C T S A REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UH, LET ME, UM, I'M GONNA NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
UM, I, NOTHING THAT I CAN PRESENT RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK THIS WILL BE A HOT ITEM, UH, LIKE I SAID, PROBABLY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT TO THE FULL, FULL BOARD, UH, GET A FULL, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE CAN'T, UH, KIND OF AT LEAST HAVE, OKAY, HERE'S OUR APPROACH TO IT.
UH, BUT I SEE IT BEING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, EVEN GOING INTO THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, UH, BUT YEAH, SO LET ME START WITH, UH, TALKING, UH, WITH, UH, OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HERE, UH, DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THESE ITEMS THAT BILL'S BROUGHT UP TO ME, UM, AND SEE IF I CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND HISTORY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE GOAL MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE CAN'T FIND A, A SOLUTION THAT MEETS THE INTENT, UH, WITHOUT JUST REMOVING IT, UH, BUT IF NOT, THEN YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY, UH, ENTERTAIN ALL IDEAS FROM THE COMMITTEE AND, AND FROM THE BOARD, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT TOO.
JUST BECAUSE WE CAN FIND SOMEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES IF THIS HAS HAPPENED, DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD GO IN.
I MEAN, WE JUST HAD AN INSTANCE WE WERE TOLD AS FAR AS THE DOGGY DOOR.
I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR EVERY SINGLE ITEM THAT HAS HAPPENED? JUST BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED ONCE? UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST WHAT JACK WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IF WE HAVE A SECOND BARRIER AND SOMEBODY WENT IN AND IT STILL HAPPENED, HOW DO WE FIX IT? THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT JUST, YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING.
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TO SEE THE INFORMATION, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, BEYOND TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING.AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FOR DOGGY DO, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
IF WHAT IF SOMEBODY WENT OVER A, A FENCE THAT'S THIS SIZE? WHAT IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS CAN GO ON AND ON.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE GUN SAFETY, BUT YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE ACTUAL SOURCE OF IT.
SO I THINK IN THIS SITUATION, WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE SOURCE OF THE PULL ITSELF.
SO IT SEEMED LIKE IT'D MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE A CODE THAT WOULD REQUIRE, LIKE A COVER FOR THE PULL ITSELF, OR LIKE ALL NEW PULLS, THEY'RE FITTED AND REQUIRED TO HAVE A COVER FOR THEM WHENEVER INSTALLED.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU COULD PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
WE DON'T HAVE BARRIERS FOR OUR STREETS TOO, FOR OUR KIDS.
THEY CAN RUN OUT THE DOOR AND RUN INTO THE STREET AND GET HIT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE BAD CASE SCENARIO OF A POOL TOO.
SO MAYBE LOOK AT DOING A, A POOL COVER INSTEAD AT THE SOURCE ITSELF.
YEAH, THAT'S A, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S COVERED.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A, THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS TO HAVE A A, A POOL COVERED, UH, INSTALLED.
UM, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT ABOUT RUNNING OUT, OUT ON THE STREET.
I MEAN, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DANGERS.
UM, I, I WOULD, UH, ALSO EQUATE, UM, WHAT BRIAN WAS SAYING TOO, I, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER MY LITTLE, UH, PROJECT FROM LAST CODE CYCLE A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE, UH, THE LOCKING SYSTEMS THAT ADD LIKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR WHATEVER IT'S TO, TO EVERY
AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE REASON THAT WE, THE CODE IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY OR NEPHEW DIED FROM HUFFING, YOU KNOW, FON AND, AND, AND YOU HAD A, UH, A PASSION PROJECT TO GET THAT INTO THE CODE.
AND, AND WE'RE ALL LIVING WITH, EVEN THOUGH DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A, UH, BE AN ACTUAL DANGER OUT THERE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE KIND OF THING.
SO I, I ALSO AM INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT JEREMY AND THE TEAM COME BACK WITH ON, ON WHAT THIS IS.
I THINK THAT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING THAT THEN MAYBE WE CAN WAIT THAT INFORMATION.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE, BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANNA, I WOULDN'T WANNA SEND IT TO THE BOARD WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE, UM, ON, ON THIS ITEM.
IT'S GONNA BE A SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS ITEM.
I'M BUILDING A HOUSE RIGHT NOW WITH THE POOL FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
'CAUSE THERE'S MANY WINDOWS THAT I HAVE IN THE BACK GIVE BE SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR ALL OF THESE ALARMS. IF IT WAS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE HAD THIS CODE.
AND ACTUALLY, I MEAN, THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, WE'RE OUTSIDE THE CITY.
THIS IS ADOPTED BY THE STATE, SO TECHNICALLY THAT JURISDICTION, UNLESS THEY MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT, THIS DOES FALL UNDER THAT, UH, JUST TO F Y I AND ALL THAT.
I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION FOR A DIFFERENT TIME, BUT JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR YOU.
I HAVE TO FOLLOW ANYTHING FROM STATE OUT IN COUNTY.
SO, UM, GRAYSON, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF YOU APPRECIATE ME PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT OR NOT, BUT FROM, UH, POOL PRODUCER'S PERSPECTIVE, HAVE Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD SERVE AS A BARRIER TO ENTRY TO SOMEBODY BUYING A, BUYING A POOL.
UH, WE HAVE, I THINK KE SO KEVIN TUCKER IS A, IS A MEMBER OF OURS, AND I, I REALLY DEFER TO HIM.
UH, I I THINK HE HAS THE MOST, UH, INDUSTRY KNOWLEDGE ON THIS ISSUE.
UH, BUT I, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE, I THINK KEVIN COULD PROBABLY PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I, I GET IT.
I GET THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BALANCING SAFETY, UH, VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, PASSING COSTS TO CONSUMERS AND BUSINESS INTEREST.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY, I THINK P H T A WILL SUBMIT WITH WHAT, WHAT KEVIN STATED EARLIER, UM, AND THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT'S, THAT'S WORTH HAVING IN THE CODE.
AND THIS IS KEVIN, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME? YES, SIR.
I THINK I AGREE IN GENERAL WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID, IT IS A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE CERTAINLY RESIST IT.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'VE TALKED WITH WAY TOO MANY OF THESE FAMILIES WHO'VE HAD A CHILD DROWN.
AND IF YOU HAVE DEAL WITH THEM, FACE, FACE, IT IS A, IT, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HAVING A CHILD DROWN.
I RAN COMMERCIAL POOLS FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS AND PULLED LOTS OF KIDS OUT OF THE WATER, ABOUT 30 AND ADULTS, AND I NEVER HAD A MAJOR ACCIDENT.
BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS, UH, IT CAN HAPPEN SO FAST THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, ADDING FENCES AND
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THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.AND THOSE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS.
AND AS YOU'VE ALREADY SAID, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO KEEP EVERY KID OUT OF THE WATER, BUT EVERY TIME WE ADD A LAYER OF, OF PROTECTION, WE INCREASE OUR CHANCES OF SAVING THAT LINE.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BALANCE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE 'EM OFF WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE INSPECTION'S DONE.
UM, BUT THE INTENTION IS ABSOLUTELY TO TRY TO HELP REDUCE THESE DROWNINGS OF THE YOUNG KIDS.
AND, UH, AND EVEN THE MEN, THE STATEMENT ABOUT, UH, KIDS RUNNING OUT IN THE STREET, ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH FROM NEBRASKA, THEIR CHILD DROWNED IN THE BACKYARD POOL.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY REALIZED AFTERWARDS WAS THAT WE TEACH OUR KIDS NOT TO GO ACROSS THE STREET WITHOUT AN ADULT, BUT WE DON'T EVEN, WE DON'T OFTEN TEACH THEM NOT TO GO AROUND THE POOL WITHOUT AN ADULT.
SO A LOT OF IT IS SIMPLY EDUCATION AND THE PARENTS OF THE PARENTS AS WELL AS THE KIDS.
I ALSO KNOW OF SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, FENCES WERE INSTALLED PROFESSIONALLY INSTALLED TO PROTECT THE KIDS FROM GETTING FROM THE BACK DOOR TO THE POOL.
AND WHEN THE, UH, PERSON DOING THE, THE, WELL, ONE OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW IN THE INDUSTRY, HER CHILD, UH, DROWNED 20 YEARS AGO IN CALIFORNIA, AND SHE HAS PUT TOGETHER A SAFETY CHECKLIST THAT'S AVAILABLE.
IT'S A NONPROFIT GROUP, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THESE KIDS FROM DROWNING.
SHE WAS IN A BACKYARD WITH THE FAMILY, AND THE HUSBAND SAID, YEAH, WE'RE SO HAPPY WE PUT UP THIS FENCE.
AND THE KID STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO THE HUSBAND SAYS, YEAH.
AND WHEN THE BALL GOES OVER THE FENCE, WE GO OVER AND GET IT, WE COME RIGHT BACK.
AND SO JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A FENCE THERE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'LL AVOID THOSE DROWNINGS OR OUR ALARMS ON THE WINDOWS, ANY OF THESE THINGS.
BUT EVERY LAYER OF PROTECTION HELPS.
AND WE CAN'T ADD SO MANY LAYERS THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
UM, BUT THE INDUSTRY AND, AND THE FOLKS THAT HAVE HAD PEOPLE DROWN, THIS HAS CERTAINLY BEEN AN AREA WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT THEY'VE PUSHED IT FOR MANY YEARS.
AND, UM, AND IT IS VERY COMMON IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE THAT HAVING THOSE ALARMS ON WINDOWS IS REQUIRED OR LOCKED.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK MOST OF THOSE WINDOWS, EVEN CASE WINDOWS, THERE ARE WIRELESS MAGNETIC ALARMS THAT WOULD, COULD BE ADDED.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NECESSARILY THE BEST CHOICE, BUT THE POINT IS, WE HAVE OPTIONS.
WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THE KIDS AS SAFE AS WE CAN.
AND, AND JEREMY, IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE, ONE LAST THING I I THINK I'D LIKE YOU TO NOTE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I GET THAT WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE AND TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT BUSINESSES AND THEIR ABILITY TO SELL THESE PRODUCTS.
UH, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU WEIGH IT AGAINST THE POTENTIAL, UH, SAFETY ISSUE, AND IF, IF A CHILD WERE TO UNFORTUNATELY DROWN, UM, THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT A, A BUSINESS'S SALES, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF I'M A PARENT AND I OWN A POOL, OR I'M THINKING ABOUT OWNING A POOL AND I READ A STORY OF A, OF A CHILD WHO DROWNED, AND THAT DROWNING COULD HAVE BEEN PUT THROUGH SAFETY MEASURES, MAYBE I DON'T BUY THAT FULL.
AND, AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO NOTE.
WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION, UM, COMING IN.
THAT'S GONNA, ALL THAT IS GONNA BE CONSIDERED, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND, UH, BUT YEAH, NO, AGREED.
THIS IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A TOUGH ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BACK TO MIKE'S COMMENT OF, UH, HAVING A RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD, UM, I DEFINITELY, I CAN WRITE UP THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION RIGHT HERE, UH, HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO, UH, PRESENT THAT EITHER FOR NEXT MEETING OR WE'RE TO GO TO THE FULL BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PRESENT THAT, LET ME KNOW AND DOCUMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT A MEETING, HAVE US GET MEETINGS TILL TILL WE DIE, BECAUSE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE ENOUGH ZOOM, UH, FOR OUR, IN OUR LIVES RIGHT NOW.
BUT I THINK IT'D BE WORTH YOU DOING THE, GETTING THE RESEARCH DONE ON THIS ITEM.
AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER SAWS ITEMS THAT YOU WANTED TO GET INFORMATION ON.
AND MAYBE WE DO ONE MORE QUICK, SHOULD BE A LOT QUICKER, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, UM, WHERE YOU CHECK BACK WITH US, UM, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN AT THAT POINT GO AHEAD AND, AND TRY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO BRIAN AND RAUL.
IT, IT, I, IT'LL WORK, UH, DEPENDING ON SCHEDULE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT IF IT'S GONNA BE A, A QUICK SYNOPSIS OF JUST THESE FEW ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO COVER.
YEAH, 20, 20 MINUTE MEETING WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT I KNOW WE'RE ON A TIMETABLE, JEREMY, SO I KNOW YOU, YOU, I MEAN, WE HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE TO GET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, TO GET IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION, HOW QUICKLY COULD WE MEET AGAIN, KEEP IT TO JUST THOSE ITEMS AND, UM, DO A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE CAN PUT IT TO THE BOARD IF IT STILL FITS IN THAT TIMELINE.
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NO, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DEFINITELY WANTING TO MEET, UH, EARLY NEXT WEEK, SO I'LL, I'LL REACH JENNIFER AND SEE WHAT OUR AVAILABILITIES ARE AND, UH, REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY ON THE, ON THE BOARD AND, UH, TRY TO FIND THAT TIMEFRAME.UH, YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL, THIS REAL FAST, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THAT, UH, WE WANT TO COME BACK AND TOUCH BASE ON ARE THE WINDOW ALARMS FOR SECTION 3 0 5 0.4.
UM, I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THE VANISHING, UH, EDGE.
WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT, JUST, JUST GO WITH CATCH BASE, AND I THINK THAT'LL MEET THE INTENT.
UM, SUCTION, ENTRAPMENT AVOIDANCE POOLS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE AND PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS AND SPAS.
UH, WE ACTUALLY, I THINK WE ADDRESSED THAT BY, UH, WHEN, UH, MR. IRVIN GETS THE INFORMATION THAT THIS IS MORE STRINGENT.
DO, DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER? AND I CAN GO BACK AND, UH, REVIEW MY NOTES IN A LITTLE BIT, UH, WHETHER THERE WAS ANOTHER DIRECTIONAL ITEM HERE,
I'M GONNA LEAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK.
I'LL, I'LL RE RE-LISTEN TO OUR, UH, PRE, UH, MEETING HERE AND DOUBLE CHECK.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THIS ONE, IT SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.
UM, UH, ONCE AGAIN, UH, I HAVE THE FEW ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH SAWS, UH, THE WATER CONSUMPTION ITEMS, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE SKIMMERS, UM, AND THE CUTOFF VALVE FOR THE AUTOMATIC FUEL, ONE OR TWO FAMILY DWELLING TOWN HOMES MAY DISCHARGE, UH, PROPERTY, UH, PROVIDED.
UH, SO THIS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OUR, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT GROUP AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DISCHARGE OF WATER, UH, EITHER FROM, UH, DRAINAGE OR, UM, THE BACKFLOW OR BACK FLUSH PROCESS DOES NOT GO INTO, UH, THE NEIGHBOR'S YARDS OR HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THAT, AND HOW WE WANT TO VER IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, STATE THAT HERE.
UH, BUT I THINK THE EXCEPTION IS THE INTENT IS THERE, IS REALLY JUST KIND OF CLARIFYING THE WAY WE WRITE IT UP.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, REACHING OUT TO SAS, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE SAND MEDIA FILTERS AND THE HILLS AND TIMERS, UH, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE, AND MAYBE NOT SPECIFICALLY SAS, BUT ALSO THE CITY ITSELF, UH, AND SEEING WHO'S ENFORCING THIS AND SEE THAT THERE'S, UH, NO PUSHBACK.
THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS START GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, AND WE ALL OF A SUDDEN START GETTING PUSHBACK FROM ANOTHER GROUP SAYING, HEY, NO, THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THERE.
SO JUST KIND OF VETTING THAT, MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD.
SO, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE, YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF ON THE, ON, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE FOR THE DRAINAGE AND THEN SOLVES FOLLOW UP.
UH, SO I THINK, YEAH, A REAL SHORT, 30 MINUTE, UM, 60 MINUTE MAX MEETING, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS ALL THESE, PRESENT ALL THE INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE AND, UH, GET SOME FEEDBACK ON, ON FINAL VERSION TO SUBMIT TO THE FULL BOARD.
THAT SOUNDS GOOD FOR, FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
LET'S, LET'S GO WITH THAT THEN.
SO THE ACTION ITEM THEN, UH, IS, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE WILL BE TABLED, UH, UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, UH, TO KIND OF VET AND WE'LL, UM, OR DID Y'ALL WANNA MAKE ANY MOTION ON YEP.
THE STUFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, JEREMY.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE TABLE OF THOSE ITEMS? ITEMS? IF SO, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
UH, I, I KINDA LEAVE IT UP TO Y'ALL.
UM, IF Y'ALL WANTED, IF Y'ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH KIND OF JUST MAKING ONE SINGLE MOTION FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO THE FULL BOARD, Y'ALL CAN DO THAT NEXT TIME AND JUST TABLE THIS WHOLE AGENDA ITEM OR WANT, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ADDRESSED IT.
NOW, IF Y'ALL WANNA JUST SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO FOLLOW THE AMENDMENTS DISCUSSED AND HAVE NO OTHER FOLLOW UP ON, AND THEN, UH, PULL OUT THE ONES THAT WE DO HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP ON.
SO IT IS UP TO THE, THE COMMITTEE WANNA HANDLE THAT.
WHY DON'T WE JUST, UH, JUST DO IT ALL AT ONCE NEXT TIME, SAVE OURSELVES THE ROLL CALL, VOTE, AND, UH, MOVE ON OUR DAYS.
UM, I DON'T, I VOTE TO TABLE, SO, UH, THAT WE'LL TABLE THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, SO THE, SO THAT CO COVERS EVERYTHING ON THE AMEND ITEM AMENDMENT ITEMS. UM, LET ME SAY THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE WE GO.
UM, SO THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE WANTED TO DO, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, IT, IT IS NOT REALLY, UH, TOO MUCH FOR THE BOARD ITSELF OR THE COMMITTEE.
UM, IT'S MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS CODE IS NEW.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR IT, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO, UH, ENFORCE, UH, THAT WE NEVER HAD TO ENFORCE IN THE PAST.
UM, AND PART OF THAT IS, IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT POOLS MORE AS AROUND THE POOL THAN THE POOL ITSELF.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT IT ON A, ON A BUILDING INSPECTION, THERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL OR OUR, UM,
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COMMERCIAL, WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SAFETY FEATURES, INCLUDING THE ALARMS ON DOORS, UH, UH, BARRIERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.THOSE WERE ADOPTED INTO THE I B C AND I R C, UH, BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY LOOKING AT STEPS AND LADDERS ON THE POOL ITSELF, LOOKING AT SLOPES, LOOKING AT, UH, THINGS THAT ARE SAFETY FEATURES OF THE POOL INSIDE THE POOL, AND A FEW OF THE OTHER ITEMS. BUT DECKS AROUND THE POOL, STAIRS AROUND THE POOLS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ORIGINALLY.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THE WATER, GOING INTO THE POOL, UH, MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE POTABLE WATER SOURCES WERE PROTECTED, UH, WITH HOSE BIBS AND BACKFLOW, UH, BACKFLOW PREVENTERS AND THINGS LIKE, UH, SUCH AS THAT, UH, UH, FOR THE, UH, VALVES CLOSEST, UH, LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE AWAY FROM IT, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, POOLS, COMMERCIAL POOLS DRAIN TO SANITARY, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE REQUIRED BEFORE.
BUT THE PLUMBING FEATURES OF A POOL ITSELF, THE CIRCULATION PIPING, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THERE IN THIS CODE REQUIRE THAT WE DO A PRESSURE TEST ON THAT.
WE VERIFY THAT THE, UH, THE PIPING USED FOR THE CIRCULATION SYSTEMS, UM, ARE CERTAIN MATERIALS AND REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ALSO, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S, UH, THAT THE SUCTION ENTRAPMENT AND REQUIREMENTS, WE NEVER LOOKED AT THAT IN THE PAST.
SO THE, THE, UH, COVERS FOR SUCTION REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S, UH, REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
EITHER THERE'D BE MULTIPLE SUCTION, UH, POINTS THAT HAVE CLEARANCES BETWEEN THEM, UM, OR THEY HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF COVER ON IT THAT, UH, ENSURES THAT THERE IS NO ENTRAPMENT.
UH, THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE NEW, UH, THAT HAVE TO BE ENFORCED BY THE CITY.
UH, ELECTRICAL LUCKILY IS GONNA BE PRETTY CONSISTENT.
WE, WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE A WHOLE LOT IN THE WAY OF ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENTS.
UH, OUR, OUR ELECTRICAL TEAM WAS VERY DILIGENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE HIGH LIFE SAFETY ITEMS, UH, A LOT OF IT WAS BONDING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THE ELECTRICAL SIDE WON'T CHANGE TOO MUCH, UH, BUT ON THE, UH, BUILDING AND PLUMBING SIDE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE REVIEW REQUIREMENTS AND INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE KIND OF WANTED TO TOUCH BASE WITH THAT.
NOW, THE INTENT WAS WE WERE HOPING MAYBE WE'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, UM, UH, INSTALLATION COMMUNITY AS PART OF THIS.
AND THIS WILL ALSO BE SOME MORE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS, UM, THAT AREN'T PERTINENT TO THE BOARD.
UH, BUT I WANNA GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD IF THEY, UH, OR THE COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT, IF THEY WANTED TO REVIEW ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING THEM UP AND, AND KIND OF, UH, DISCLOSE, UH, DISCUSS THOSE AND KINDA SHOW SOME OF THE CHEST CHECKLISTS THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING, UH, YOU KNOW, SAYING, HEY, HERE, HERE ARE THE NEW REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED.
UH, MORE INSPECTIONS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED, AND MORE DETAILS, UH, ARE GONNA BE INSPECTED, UH, THAN WHAT WAS REQUIRED ORIGINALLY, UH, BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE.
LEMME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION.
SO THE, THE INSPECTIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY DOING ALL DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, RIGHT? UH, ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITY GOING BACK INSPECTING THE ENTRAPMENT DEVICES, YOU KNOW, ON AN ONGOING BASIS? AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS OPERATE PUBLIC POOL COMPLEX, WE GET THAT INSPECTION EVERY YEAR FROM, UH, I SUPPOSE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND I JUST DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHERE I'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT INSPECTION, TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS INSPECTING THE SAME THING.
UM, SO I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHEN IS THE CITY INSPECTION REGIME GONNA BE INVOLVED? UH, CORRECT.
SO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE, UH, WILL ONLY BE LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF MODIFICATIONS THAT, UH, FALL UNDER THAT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ON THE LINE WITH US, UH, AMANDA WILSON AND CHERRY TREVINO WITH THE METRO HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE ALL OF THE FOLLOW UP, UH, HEALTH SAFETY, UH, CONCERNS AND, AND FOLLOW UP PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS, YEARLY INSPECTIONS.
UH, NONE OF THAT'S GONNA FALL INTO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT, UM, ARE REVIEWED AND INSPECTED ON THE ACTUAL NEW CONSTRUCTION HAVE ALREADY BEEN HANDLED BY METRO HEALTH, AND THEY'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOW FALLING INTO THE, UH, THE I C C, UH, ADOPTION, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT NORMALLY WE WOULD LOOK AT, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DEFER BACK TO THEM SINCE IT'S ALREADY ON THEIR AGENDA TO, TO REVIEW IN THE PLAN REVIEW SIDE AND, AND INSPECT, UH, I THINK MOST OF IT BEING LIKE THE ENTRAPMENT SIDE OF THINGS AND SOME OTHER.
UH, SO THAT BEING SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT ALSO, UM, I KNOW WE, WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENTS.
UM, SO KIND OF WANT TO, AS PART OF THAT AGENDA, ITEM THREE WAS TO KIND OF REVIEW SOME OF THESE.
UH, DID WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, FOR THE NEXT HOUR OR, UM, AND HAVE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CITY MEMBERS, UH, REVIEW THOSE WITH Y'ALL AND GIVE Y'ALL A CHANCE TO DO SOME FEEDBACK.
ONCE AGAIN, THESE AREN'T AMENDMENT ITEMS OR ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, ADOPT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS WOULD BE MORE TIED ABOVE INTERNAL PROCESSES, PROBABLY, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, INFORMATION BULLETIN BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, HERE'S THE NEW PROCESSES REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF POOLS, WHETHER IT BE THE PLAN REVIEW SIDE OR THE EXPECTED, UH, INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, JEREMY, FOR, FOR MY MONEY, UM, OUR JOB IS TO REVIEW WHAT THE CODE IS AND GIVE OUR INPUT ON, ON WHAT THE CODE'S GONNA READ AND, AND HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THE ENFORCEMENT.
I THINK IT'S MOSTLY AN INTERNAL THING.
I APPRECIATE GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK
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AT IT.I'LL OF COURSE DEFER TO THE COMMITTEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT ANOTHER OPTION MAYBE IS YOU SEND OUT THE MATERIAL, MAYBE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE MORE MEETING IF EVERYBODY TAKES A FEW MINUTES TO LOOK THROUGH IT AND EMAIL YOU IN ADVANCE ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE ABOUT IT, UM, INTEREST OF TIME.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA RUSH THROUGH ANY, I'M HAPPY, JEREMY.
I, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE ALSO REVIEWED THE ELECTRICAL SIDE OF IT, AND THERE'S ON THE CODES AND ON ARTICLE SIX 80 AND ALL THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THAT.
BRIAN, ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH, UM, MOVING ON, MOVING ON, OR DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THOSE? YEAH, NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, MIKE.
NO, I'M, I'M WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB,
UH, JEREMY, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN PROBABLY, UH, MOVE PAST THAT, THAT PART OF THE AGENDA.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, OF COURSE, UH, ALL Y'ALL ARE PART OF THE, UH, GROUPS THAT WE'RE REACHING OUT TO AS PART OF THE STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVEMENT AS WELL.
SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT LESS FORMAL MEETINGS ALLOWS US TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN AND WE DON'T HAVE TO STRUCTURE THROUGH THE CITY.
UH, SO WE WILL HAVE SOME MORE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS TO KIND OF VET SOME OF THESE INFORMATION BULLETIN AND, AND PROCESSES, UH, FROM D S D.
SO I'M SURE IF Y'ALL DO HAVE ANY MORE FEEDBACK OR MORE THAN WELCOME, UH, AS, AS COMMITTEES OR AS MEMBERS OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO, UH, FUNNEL THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
WELL THAT MEANS THAT, UH, THAT, THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY HAD ON THE AGENDA AS, UH, BRINGING TO THE BOARD.
WE HAVE OUR 14 ORDERS TO KIND OF CLEAN UP THESE AMENDMENTS AND, UH, AND WORK TO GET THINGS SCHEDULED FOR EARLY NEXT WEEK.