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RUST, WE ARE RECORDING.WE CAN, UH, START THE MEETING.
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RIGHT.UH, MEETING'S CALLED TO ORDER.
DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM LAST TIME OR IN THE COMMITTEE LIKE THIS? CAN WE, CAN WE SKIP THE, THE
I CAN PULL THOSE UP IF WE NEED TO, BUT I THINK I SENT THOSE OUT TO EVERYBODY, UH, FOR REVIEW.
LET ME KNOW IF Y'ALL WOULD LET ME TO PULL THOSE UP AND SHARE THAT.
UH, SO I'D ACCEPT THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
WILL, UH, NEED TO DO THE ROLL CALL FIRST.
WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO TO MOVE TO AGENDAS.
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SO NOW I WOULD LOVE TO ACCEPT THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION.I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, MINUTES IN THE LAST MEETING.
UH, ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT, UM, LET'S VOTE ON IT THEN.
[1. Discussion and possible action on the adoption of the 2018 ISPSC and proposed amendments]
AND WE ARE READY TO, UH, MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.AND SO WE HAD GONE, WE HAD ASKED YOU TO GO BACK TO TALK TO SAULS ON A COUPLE ITEMS, AND OF COURSE, THE BIG, UH, 3 0 5 0.4 DISCUSSION.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, SO, UH, THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL START WITH THE SAWS ITEM.
UM, SO ACTUALLY WHAT WE DID, UH, WE KIND OF TALKED INTERNALLY FIRST TO SEE, UH, HOW WE WANTED TO APPROACH THAT.
UH, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE KIND OF HAVE OUR INITIAL DISCUSSION AND WE COULD SEE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF CODIFYING SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE, UM, CITY CODE.
AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WE DECIDED WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WE ADDED IT HERE TO THE AMENDMENTS TO TRY TO KEEP, UH, UM, COHESION ACROSS THE BOARD.
UH, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE CODE IS, DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY, UH, TRUMP ANOTHER ONE.
SO JUST BECAUSE WE ADOPT SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UM, EXISTING REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT, UH, NOW BEING ENFORCED BY WHATEVER AGENCY WAS IT, UH, CURRENTLY IN PLACE TO, TO ENFORCE THAT.
UM, SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO, UH, WAS ACTUALLY, WE HAD THE AMENDMENT, UH, EARLIER THAT KIND OF SPECIFIED WHAT CODES, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THE STATE STANDARDS AND CODES REQUIREMENTS FOR POOLS.
AND SO OUR DECISION WAS TO ADD IT TO THAT SECTION, UH, JUST SAYING AS A REFERENCE BACK, THAT TO KIND OF SAY THAT THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE AND AMENDMENTS DOES NOT SUPERSEDE THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND WE CALL, WE CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THAT CODE REQUIREMENT IN THAT SECTION.
SO BY DOING THAT, OUR, OUR, OUR THOUGHTS ARE, UH, USED AMOUNT OF AMENDMENTS WE ARE ADDING TO OUR ADOPTION.
AND, UH, ALL THE ONES IN YELLOW HERE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ADDED FOR THE POOL, UH, PER SAUL'S REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE OTHER CITY CODE.
AND WE WOULD JUST STRIKE THOSE OUT AND REMOVE THEM FROM THE AMENDMENTS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND SWAT CODE.
SO, JEREMY, WHAT ADDING THAT, UH, BLURB THAT YOU DID AT THE BEGINNING THAT YOU MENTIONED, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE CITY INSPECTORS ARE GONNA BE STILL INSPECTING THOSE ITEMS AND JUST USING THAT REFERENCE TO GO INTO OTHER CODES TO INSPECT? OR ARE YOU JUST SAYING THAT YEAH.
SASS IS GONNA ENFORCE ITS ITS VICTIMS AND THAT'S ON SAS TO DO? HOW, WHAT'S THE INTENT THERE FROM THE CITY? THE INTENT IS CORRECT.
WE WON'T, UH, IT'S NOTHING THAT, UH, D S D UH, WILL BE LOOKING AT EITHER IN PLAN REVIEW OR, UM, IN INSPECTIONS.
IT WAS NOTHING THAT WAS ANYTHING UNDER OUR JURISDICTION ORIGINALLY, AND WE DON'T WANT ADD THAT TO OUR JURISDICTION.
THIS JUST IS BASICALLY SAYING THIS ISN'T A GET OUTTA JAIL FREE CARD FROM OTHER CODES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS JUST TO CLEAN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT, I'M GONNA HIDE ALL THOSE SECTIONS.
UH, SO WE CAN JUST REFERENCE THE ONES THAT, UH, THE END GOAL BEING A CLEAN DOCUMENT THAT Y'ALL CAN FINAL REVIEW AND, UH, VOTE ON AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
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OKAY.UM, SO YES, I, I KNOW WE HAD THE, UH, THE ITEM ABOUT THE ALARMS. WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OTHER MINOR ONES THAT, UH, IF YOU'RE OKAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH THOSE REAL FAST.
UH, JUST LEAVE THE ALARM ONE AS THE SPINNING MM-HMM.
SO, UH, THE OTHER ONE WE DID HIGHLIGHT, UH, WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, UH, THAT THERE WAS NO CONCERNS WITH ALLOWING THE STATE ADOPTED CODES, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, SUCTION AND ENTRAPMENT.
UM, AND WE DID GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM, UH, SOME MEMBERS OF THE LAST COMMITTEE INTER MEETING SAYING THAT THIS, THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, TEXAS STATE RULES AND PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS WERE ACTUALLY MORE STRINGENT THAN, UM, THE SUCTION REQUIREMENTS FOUND IN I S D S C.
SO THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY, THIS JUST SAYS YOU CAN GO TO A MORE STRICT AND JUST POINT OUT THOSE CODES, UH, THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING ENFORCED REQUIREMENT FOR A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROJECTS ANYWAY.
SO, UH, THE CITY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WAS, UH, ADVERSE TO THAT STATEMENT.
SO WE'RE OKAY WITH, UH, LEAVING IT AS AN AMENDMENT, AS IS SOUNDS REASONABLE.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE CALL, WHETHER ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE OR, OR JUST CALLING IN THAT HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT? I'M GOOD.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES, CORRECT? YEAH.
I MEAN, I, I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT, THAT MADE IT LOOK LIKE WE WERE REDUCING THE RES UH, THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, MAKING IT LESS SEVERE.
UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING, UH, THIS REQUIREMENT JUST SAYS, HEY, YOU CAN DO A MORE SEVERE, WHICH THE STATE REQUIRES A LOT OF THESE, UH, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS TO DO ANYWAY, SO, UM, AND JUST ONCE AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A REINFORCEMENT OF THE EXISTING CODES REQUIREMENTS, THEN I'M GOOD WITH IT.
ANYBODY ON THE MANUFACTURING SIDE, ANY HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH THAT? UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, MR. WIGGINS, UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE INDUSTRY AGAIN, UH, MR. WIGGINS, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? THANKS, JEREMY.
UH, NO, I, FROM OUR MEMBERS, UM, MANUFACTURING, OTHERWISE DIDN'T HEAR MANY CONCERNS ON THAT PROVISION.
UH, NEXT SECTION WAS, THIS WAS THE DRAINAGE QUESTION WE HAD.
SO ORIGINALLY WE PULLED IN THE EXCEPTION, UH, UNDER THIS SECTION TO SAY THAT THE CITY WON'T ALLOW STORMWATER RUNOFF, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS SO THAT THEY HAD TO GO TO SANITARY.
SO THAT WAS THIS, UH, SECTION HERE, THREE, TWO, UH, THREE 20.1.
THEN WE ADDED THE NEW SUBSECTION TO KIND OF CLASSIFY THAT REALLY IN THE CITY.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN ENFORCING IS, UH, FOR ONE, TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND HOUND HOMES.
UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY REQUIRE THE DISCHARGE TO GO TO SANITARY, UH, THAT IT COULD GO ONTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THAT LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWED FOR THAT DRAINAGE TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS NOT TOO MUCH DRAINAGE OFF TO A, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OR CAUSING ANY, UH, CREATING A HEALTH HAZARD.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, UH, TRYING TO CODIFY THAT, AND WE KIND OF RISEN THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CODES THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED, EITHER THROUGH THE, UH, PLUMBING CODE OR THROUGH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, THAT'S ENFORCED THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT KIND OF ADDRESSES THAT.
UH, SO THE APPROACH THAT WE DECIDED TO GO WITH WAS REALLY, UH, TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE, UH, REQUIRE NOW, IS THAT THIS SECTION WOULD ONLY BE PERTAINING TO PUBLIC POOLS, UH, NOT PRIVATE USE POOLS.
AND THAT WE WOULD JUST ALLOW THOSE OTHER CODES, UH, TO KIND OF, UH, REGULATE THE, UH, CONCERNS WITH ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOODING OF A NEIGHBOR'S AREA OR, OR CREATING AN, UH, A HEALTH HAZARD THROUGH, UM, STANDING WATER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE SEE ANYTHING ON THE DESIGN SIDE THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA PROMOTE A WHOLE LOT OF DRAINAGE INTO A NEIGHBOR, WE CAN ADDRESS IT THEN.
BUT A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED MORE ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, THAT IF, YOU KNOW, ONE NEIGHBOR'S KIND OF HITTING A DELUGE INTO THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS IT THROUGH THOSE, THROUGH THOSE, UH, MEANS.
ANY COMMENT THERE? I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE EVERYTHING BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE ALARM, BUT JUST REAL QUICK, DOUBLE CHECKING.
UM, SO ALL THE ITEMS IN BLUE WERE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, SO MOVING INTO
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THIS IS A STRUCTURE WALL AS A BARRIER, UH, 3 0 5 0.4.SO SPECIFICALLY THE REQUIREMENT TO, UH, PUT AN ALARM ON ANY WINDOW THAT DOES NOT HAVE A SECONDARY BARRIER, UH, TO THE POOL, UH, WHENEVER A WALL IS BEING USED AS THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF THAT BARRIER.
SO, I KNOW IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION, WE HAD A LOT OF, UM, BACK AND FORTH ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD WE REQUIRE THE WINDOW ALARM.
UH, SO CURRENTLY WE, WE'VE BEEN, BEEN ENFORCING THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE, UH, THE DOOR ALARM.
UH, BUT THE, THE, IN THAT SECTION THERE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE WINDOW ALARM REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRIED TO FIND, UM, SPECIFIC CASES OR STATISTICS THAT TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS WERE, UH, GOING THROUGH A WINDOW.
UH, WE, WE DID HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD FIND A LOT OF, UH, INCIDENTS IN A LOT OF CASES WHERE THEY DID SPECIFY GOING THROUGH AN OPENING, UH, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT REGULATED AS TO BEING A WINDOW OR, OR A DOOR.
UH, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD, CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF, WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE WENT BACK AND WE LOOKED AT, UH, ONE, THE INDUSTRY.
UH, SO WE DID REACH BACK OUT TO, UH, GRAYSON AND HIS TEAM, UM, TO GET AN IDEA OF, OF WHO WAS BEING REPRESENTED BY THEM IN THE CITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK BASED OFF OF THEIR DISCUSSION LAST, LAST WEEK, AND THE COMMITTEE MEETING MEMBER, UH, MEETING NUMBER ONE, UH, THAT THEY WERE VERY MUCH AN ADVOCATE FOR THE USE OF THE ALARMS. UH, THEY SEEMED TO, UH, DIDN'T HAVE ANY OPPOSING TO, UH, REMOVING THAT AS AN AMENDMENT, UH, THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
UM, SO AS, AS THE INDUSTRY GROUP, WE WANTED TO LEAN ON THAT.
UH, SO FIRST I WANTED TO SUBMIT TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, SOME OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE PART OF THIS ORGANIZATION, UM, LET, THERE'S TWO ITEMS HERE THAT I WAS GONNA KIND OF JUST HIGHLIGHT.
UH, SO THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, IN THE CITY OF SAN, UH, THAT, UH, MR. GRAYSON AND HIS, UH, ORGANIZATION ARE REPRESENTING, UH, AS PART OF, AND THEN ALSO IN CONJUNCTION THAT WITH THAT, I WAS REVIEWING A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES IN TEXAS AND SOME OF THE LOCAL ONES, UH, TO SEE DOES ANYBODY ELSE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF AMENDING OUT THE ALARM REQUIREMENTS? UM, AND, UH, SO FAR, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THERE'S, UH, PLENTY OF OTHER ONES THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CHECK, UH, BUT NOBODY HAS SPECIFICALLY PULLED THAT OUT.
SO WE WOULD BE THE ONLY JURISDICTION THAT'S GONE THROUGH THAT APPROACH, UH, WITHIN THE STATE.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST THOUGHT THAT, UH, D S T WANTED TO PRESENT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CONCERN FROM ONE OF OUR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THAT WINDOW AT ALL BECAUSE OF THE ALARM.
UH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE TO WHERE YOU COULD TURN IT OFF WITHOUT PULLING IT OFF.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE ON OFF SWITCHES, DEPENDING ON THE TECHNOLOGY USED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE, WHAT THAT DOES IS YOU HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY TURN IT BACK ON.
UH, I DID SEE SOME THAT ARE PRETTY SOPHISTICATED WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN OPEN THE WINDOW, TURN OFF THE NUISANCE ALARM, BUT AS SOON AS YOU O CLOSE THE WINDOW AGAIN, IT KIND OF RE-TRIGGERS ITSELF.
UH, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CLOSE THE WINDOW, WALK AWAY, AND THEY NEED TO RE-ARM IT, AND ANYBODY CAN COME BACK AND, UH, RESET IT.
SO, UH, WE DID FEEL LIKE THERE WAS, WELL, PLENTY OF TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT ALLOWED, UH, FOR THE WINDOW TO STILL BE OPERATIONAL.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE AT THE, UH, REQUIREMENT OF THE OWNER TO REENGAGE OR, UH, ENSURE THAT THE SAFETY PROTOCOLS OR SAFETY SYSTEMS ARE, UH, TURNED BACK ON, UH, WHENEVER THEY'RE NOT USING THE WINDOW, UH, FOR VENTILATION OR FOR BREEZE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, PULLING DOWN THE HOUSE OR, UH, ANY OTHER SCENARIO.
UM, AND, AND FINALLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE LOOKED AT THE COST IMPACT ON THIS, UH, ON THE LIFE SAFETY SIDE.
AND I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL COST TO ANY PROJECT, UH, THAT'S UNDO.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE, THE LIFE SAFETY FEATURES OF THIS, UH, COMPONENT, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AS THAT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST MEETING, UH, AS A POOL BEING MORE OF A, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TERM USED, BUT KIND OF A, A THREE ITEM ITEM, CORRECT? YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND NOT TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO NOT ALLOW FOR POOL SPEED BILL BECAUSE OF THAT AND, AND INCUR ADDITIONAL COST, BUT, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE AFFECTED TOO HEAVILY, UH, IN THE COST OF, UH, LIFE SAFETY ITEMS. UH, AND ONCE AGAIN, WE KIND OF FELL BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOSTLY IMPACTED BY THAT WOULD BE THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE INSTALLING THESE POOLS.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT PUSHING BACK SAYING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HINDRANCE TO THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, STAYING IN BUSINESS AND BEING ABLE TO, UH, BUILD POOLS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, THEN WE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WASN'T A BIG ENOUGH PUSH, UH, TO TRY TO AMEND THIS OUT.
SO THAT WAS, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT'S APPROACH, UH, TO REVIEWING THIS AND RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, LEAVE THE AMENDMENT, UM, OR LEAVE THAT SECTION UN THANKS JEREMY, FOR, UH, GOING THROUGH THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS A BIT AS WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE
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THAT THE POOL MANUFACTURERS DON'T WANNA TAKE IT OUT.I UNDERSTAND THE IMPULSE TO LEAVE IT IN, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE SAFETY VALUE OF IT IS, IS NEAR ZERO.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE ALARM IN, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT OUT, AND IT'S GONNA BE USEFUL.
UH, I WENT AND COUNTED THE WINDOWS IN MY HOME, THE BACK UP TO THE POOL.
THERE'S 13, UH, ALARMS I'D HAVE TO BUY.
UM, I'VE GOT A SIDE DOOR OUT OF MY GARAGE THAT COMES OUT, UH, BEHIND THE FENCE.
I, I WONDER IF THE DOOR FROM MY, UH, UTILITY ROOM INTO THE GARAGE AND THEN THE DOOR FROM, UH, THE GARAGE INTO THE YARD, WOULD, WOULD THAT ALSO REQUIRE ALARM? UH, DO WE REQUIRE ALARMS ON, ON GATE FENCES, UH, OR LOCKING GATE FENCES AS WELL? I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT FEELS GOOD TO SAY WE'RE MAKING IT SAFER WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING NOTHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SAID, IT'S NOT A HILL WORTH DYING ON.
I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS, UM, GARNERING FAITH OF THE COMMUNITY BY MAKING GOOD POLICY.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK THIS FITS THE BILL.
SO, JEREMY, THIS, JACK, I HAVE A, A QUESTION, UM, AND YOU, WE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT OF THESE ALARMS, IS BEARS ON WHO, IS IT ON THE HOMEOWNER? IS IT ON THE POOL INSTALLER, OR IS IT ON THE CITY? SO IT REALLY, IT, IT CLOSE OUT THE BUILDING PERMIT AND CLOSE THE PERMIT OUT, UH, AND FINALIZE IT.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD COME OUT AND INSPECT IT.
UM, THERE IS NO, UH, FOLLOW-UP INSPECTIONS.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ALL FOR, UH, PRIVATE USE POOLS.
UM, I THINK THE PUBLIC ONES ARE, ARE KIND OF ADDRESSED AND TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THE STATE, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE A WHOLE LOT OF THIS, UH, BEING USED IN A, IN A PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT.
BUT IF IT IS BEING USED IN A PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT, I THINK THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, UH, WOULD, OR THE ONLY ORGANIZATION WOULD BE METRO HEALTH, WHO WE HAVE ONLINE.
SO MAYBE WE CAN, UH, REACH OUT TO THEM.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC, UH, OR THE PRIVATE USE POOLS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY TYPE POOLS, UH, THERE IS NO FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT.
SO IT'S MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A CHECK ITEM, UH, FOR THAT INSPECTION.
SO CURRENTLY, IF, IF A POOL IS BEING BUILT WHILE A HOME IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND A POOL PERMIT IS, IS PULLED, THE INSPECTOR GOES AND CHECKS ALL THE WINDOWS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALARMS, THAT THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW? WELL, THIS IS NEW, SO IT'S NOT CURRENTLY, UH, A REQUIREMENT THAT WE LOOK AT.
UH, BUT YES, TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CHECK.
NOW, I'M NOT TOO WELL VERSED ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF WHETHER THE POOL PERMIT IS ATTACHED TO THE HOME PERMIT.
SO IF IT'S NOT A, A CHILD PERMIT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL WOULD NOT BE TO, TO HOLD UP ONE PROJECT OVER THE OTHER.
UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SAY THE POOL IS FINISHED AND WE CLOSE OUT THAT PERMIT.
UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D BE ABLE TO CLOSE OUT THAT POOL PERMIT BEFORE WE COULD GO BACK AND CHECK THE WINDOWS, UH, FOR THE HOME ITSELF AND VERIFY THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
BUT, UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR CHIEFS, UM, ELOY AND, AND JASON LECHER, IF Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE, BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR COMMENTS FROM THE CHIEFS AS WELL.
BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR OUR PLUMBING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, AS WELL AS I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, THE PLUMBING CHIEFS.
THE PLUMBING CHIEF IS OFF TODAY.
UH, AS FAR AS THE BUILDING GOES, WHAT JEREMY, WHAT JEREMY SAID WAS, WAS THE CASE, WHEN WE DO GO OUT AND DO THE POOL POOL FINAL INSPECTION, WE DO HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE ALARMS WOULD BE THERE.
UM, SO JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UH, AND MAYBE IT'S FOR MR. WIGGINS.
IF THIS IS WHEN, WHEN KEITH CZARS, I'M JUST USING HIM AS AN EXAMPLE, OR ANY OTHER POOL MANUFACTURER INSTALLER IS, UH, PULLING A PERMIT, THEN IT KIND OF BEARS ON HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO INFORM THE HOMEOWNER THAT THEY'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF ALARM DEVICES FOR ALL THEIR EXTERIOR OPERATING WINDOWS AND DOORS, ACCESS POINTS TO THE BACKYARD.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO, THEY KNOW ABOUT THEY'VE DONE BEFORE, ET CETERA? BECAUSE IT REALLY IS GONNA BEAR ON THEM BECAUSE THEY PULL THE PERMIT? MOST OF THE TIME.
THERE'S SOMETIMES THAT THE, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDER WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE POOL CONSTRUCTION, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S AN, IT'S A SEPARATE ITEM WHERE THE HOMEOWNER HAS HIRED A POOL COMPANY, POOL COMPANY, THEN PULLS THE PERMIT AND DOES THE CONSTRUCTION AND FINALS IT OUT.
BUT SOMEWHERE IN THERE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE NOW PART OF THEIR CONTRACT.
'CAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE, AND ANY OF THE POOL CONTRACTS I'VE EVER SEEN THAT
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IT SAYS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, ALARM ALL OF YOUR EXTERIOR WINDOWS.AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WHAT DO, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE A, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS A NEW DEAL STRICTLY FOR SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE LIFE SAFETY OF IT ALL, BUT WE'RE CREATING THIS, THIS NEW, AND I GUESS THE STAKEHOLDERS HAVE ALL SEEN THIS, SO THEY MUST ALL KNOW THEY'VE, THEY'RE PREPARED TO SET UP ALARM SYSTEMS ON, ON ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE HOMES AS PART OF THEIR PERMIT.
UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, WE HAVE PUT IT OUT THERE.
UM, WE REACHED OUT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, UH, THAT WE PULLED WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT, THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
UH, WE'VE BEEN KEEPING THEM APPRISED OF ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING, TRYING TO, TO INVITE THEM, UH, TO EACH ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND PROVIDING THEM WITH THE AMENDED DRAFTS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CODES.
AND WE DID HAVE A STAKEHOLDER MEETING, UH, ORIGINALLY.
UM, THERE'LL BE MORE AFTER THE FACT.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE BIG PUSH TO GET THE AMENDMENTS IN.
BUT, UH, MORE ALONG THE LINES OF ALL THE DIFFERENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT ARE GONNA GO INTO, UH, INSPECTING AND, UH, KIND OF ENFORCING THE CODE.
UH, SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT A LOT MORE THEN AS WELL.
UH, BUT WE HAVE BEEN, UH, ENGAGING ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, POOL CONTRACTORS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDERS AND THE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, THAT REP REPRESENT THEM.
AND, AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE UPROAR ON THAT? NOW, HERE, HERE'S MY, MY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RO AGAIN.
UM, AND WHEN WE'RE WRITING CODE, UM, I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF IT.
I'M BEING MENTORED, UH, WHEN WE DID THIS 2014 N E C IN THE 2017.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, MY, THE FIRST THING THAT THESE THESE GUYS SHOWED ME IS, IF YOU NEED AN ANSWER NOW, THE ANSWER'S NO.
RIGHT? IF IT'S ABOUT MONEY, I CAN CARE LESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING HERE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IS, IF YOU ASK ME, DO WE NEED G F I PROTECTION IN THE BATHROOMS, DOES THAT PLAY A BIG ROLE IN SAFETY? I, I WOULD SAY, YES, LET'S PUSH IT.
YOU KNOW, I JUST GOT A CALL JUST BEFORE THE 2020 20 KICKED IN, AND I REALIZED THAT THE BREAKER MANUFACTURERS WERE PUSHING ME TO GO IN ONE WAY, AND THEN THE RECEPTACLE, UH, A F C I PROTECTION, THEY WANTED IT IN A BATHROOM.
AND I REALIZED THAT IT WAS A MONEY PUSH, WHATEVER WAY WE DECIDED TO VOTE, WHATEVER, VOTE IT.
I REALIZE THAT WE DON'T NEED A F C I PROTECTION IN THE BATHROOM.
BUT WHATEVER WE DECIDED IS, LIKE, IF GUYS, IF IT'S A, IF DON'T, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T, THE ANSWER'S NO, BECAUSE I, IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, SHOW ME THE, THE, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, SHOW ME THE, THE STATISTICS WHERE THE, THE HOSPITALS ARE REPORTING THAT, THAT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE G F I PROTECTION IN THE BATHROOM, WE HAD A DEATH RATE IS HIGH.
DO YOU SEE THAT? IT, I, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COST.
THE COST IS NOT SOMETHING I CARE ABOUT.
WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE SAFETY AT THE END OF THE DAY.
IF WE DON'T, IF WE VOTE NOT TO PUT THESE ALARMS IN, IS THERE, IS IT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING? UH, DO, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA HEAR FROM THE PLUMBERS IS IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.
AND JUST LIKE I WOULD SAY G F I DOESN'T DO ANYTHING, SO THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING THAT.
UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME ABOUT, OH, IT'S GONNA ADD, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE BUDGET, I, I DON'T CARE.
WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS WHAT IS THE DEATH RATE? IF WE DON'T PUT IT, WHAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING.
UH, THAT'S HOW I THINK ABOUT CODE.
UM, IF IT IS, IF IT'S, IF THE CITY IS GONNA LEAN TOWARDS, WELL, WE NEED THIS BECAUSE WE DO, AND THEN THAT'S THE ONLY ANSWER WE HAVE, THEN IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S A BUDGET THING.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN.
I'M INTERESTED IN MORE OF, IF THE PLUMBERS FEEL LIKE THIS IS NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, I'M ALL FOR IT.
THAT'S, I'D LIKE TO HEAR HOW, WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF PUTTING THIS IN? UH, WILL, WILL, AREN'T YOU, UH, ONE OF THE PLUMBING MAJOR, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, PLUMBING INSTALLERS HERE, OR THE POOL INSTALLERS THERE? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE, THE ALARMS HERE? WELL, I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE VERY MUCH INTERACTION WITH THE POOLS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
YOU KNOW, ON THE PLUMBING SIDE OF IT, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE POOL CONTRACTOR AT HAND.
IT, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE ONLY INTERACTION I'LL HAVE IS I'LL ADD A HOSE BIB FOR THE POOL FILLING THAT'S REQUIRED ON IT.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS ON IT, BUT I THINK THAT IF THEY'RE PUTTING IT IN THE CODE, I'M FOR KEEPING IT IN THE CODE.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE HE SAID, IF IT'S, IT'S ABOUT MONEY HERE.
THESE POOLS USUALLY START AROUND $80,000 FOR A POOL.
SO IF THEY CAN'T BUDGET IN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THOUSAND OR SO DOLLARS IN FOR THE NECESSARY, UM, ALARMS, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE A GROWING PAIN, BUT IT, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE GONNA BE HAVING THIS ALONG WITH HOUSTON, AUSTIN,
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DALLAS, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS HERE.I DON'T WANT TO BE BEHIND THE CURVE ON THAT.
AND IF IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF SAVING AT LEAST ONE LIFE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M FOR IT HERE ON IT.
AGAIN, I, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT'S JUST ON A REGULAR HOUSE THAT'S REQUIRED ON EVERY HOUSE TO PULL AS A LUXURY ITEM, YOU KNOW? CORRECT.
IF THESE PEOPLE ARE $80,000 TO, TO GO PUT IN A POOL IN THEIR HOUSE, THEN THEY, THEY CAN COME UP WITH THE MONEY ON THIS AS WELL.
I, THAT'S MY FEELING BEHIND IT.
MY POINT, THIS IS JACK, I JUST A QUICK, UH, TO THAT RA AND, AND SPENCER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS STILL THE BOTTOM LINE ON THIS, IT'S A BECOMES THE POOL INSTALLER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THE ALARMS ARE IN SO THEY CAN CLOSE OUT THEIR PERMIT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
NUMBER TWO IS IT THEN FALLS ON THE HOMEOWNER TO MAINTAIN, MAKE SURE IT'S OPERABLE ALL THE TIME.
SO IT REALLY GOES BACK TO THE HOMEOWNER AND THEIR ALARM SYSTEM AND THEIR, THEIR ISSUE.
IF, IF FOR SOMETHING HAP SOMETHING HAPPENS AT THEIR HOME AND THAT ALARM ISN'T WORKING AT THEIR WINDOW, THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM AFTER THE PERMIT IS CLOSED OUT.
WELL, IT'S THE SAME THING AS IF, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT IT THE SAME WAY AS IF, UH, YOUR G F I RECEPT WENT OUT IN THE BATHROOM.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
MIKE CONSTANTINO WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I JUST WANNA TOUCH BASE ON THAT 'CAUSE JACK HAS A GOOD POINT THERE.
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL ITEMS IN THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS GET THAT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE THINGS AS EVEN HANDRAILS WHERE WE TRY TO DO A FINAL INSPECTION AND, AND THE BUILDER SAYS, HEY, THE OWNER'S GONNA PUT THIS REALLY UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT ORDERED, YOU KNOW, HANDRAIL.
AND, AND, AND WHAT WE TRY TO TELL THE BUILDER IS, HEY, LOOK AT THE FINAL INSPECTION.
PUT ME A HANDRAIL THAT COMPLIES WITH THE CODE.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN PASS IT.
RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT? WE KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY FALLS ON THE HOMEOWNER, RIGHT? IT'S NO LONGER THE BUILDER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SAME THING WITH SELF CLOSURES.
WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES THE HOMEOWNERS TAKE 'EM OFF, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING STUFF IN AND THEY'RE, AND WHETHER THEY PUT 'EM BACK OR NOT, WE, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE THING IS, WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED THE FINAL, IT'S BEEN DONE AT THE TIME OF THE INSPECTION.
IT WAS INSTALLED BY THE BUILDER, AND WE FINALIZED THAT PROPERTY AND THAT, AND THAT STRUCTURE FOR THE BUILDER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, INSTANCES THAT MAY COME UP WHERE AT THE TIME OF THE INSPECTION DID IT COMPLY? AND THE ANSWER TO THE POOL CONTRACTOR TO THE CITY SHOULD BE YES.
AND THAT'S WHAT GOES ON FILE IS AT THE TIME THAT WE DID THE INSPECTION, IT WAS FULLY COMPLIANT.
WHATEVER HAPPENS AFTER THAT, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD JUST, THIS IS MIKE AGAIN.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIKE, HEY, WE REALLY NEED THE SAFETY ITEM TO BE ADDED TO THE CODE TO MAKE THINGS SAFE.
AND, UH, HERE'S SOMETHING THEY CAME UP WITH.
I GUESS WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A, A, A PRETTY CLEAR, UM, INTELLECTUAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO ITEMS. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO IS THIS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING? IS THIS SAFER? IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND I BUY A, DECIDE TO PUT IN A POOL, AND YOU CAN GET A POOL FOR A LOT LESS THAN 80,000, BUT STILL IT'S A, IT'S A LUXURY ITEM.
BUT, UM, IF I HAVE TWO TEENAGERS, IS THIS DOING ANYTHING? UM, IF I HAVE TWO MIDDLE SCHOOLERS, IS THIS DOING ANYTHING? I MEAN, ONCE YOU BECOME, YOU KNOW, SENTED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DISABLE AN ALARM, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INSTITUTING A A, AN ONEROUS, UM, A FINANCIALLY ONEROUS, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST A, THE WAY YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE KIND OF ONEROUS THING THAT, THAT WE ALL KNOW, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, EVERYBODY THAT PUTS THAT ALARM ON THEIR BACK DOOR PROBABLY TAKES IT OUT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S ANNOYING TO GO OUT YOUR BACKYARD AND HAVE THE STUPID ALARM GO OFF, UH, THAT REALLY SERVE NO PURPOSE.
AND WE'RE ADDING THAT INTO THIS.
AND EVERY TIME WE ADD FRIVOLOUS THINGS INTO THE, TO THE CODE, UM, CODE OUT OF A, OUT OF, OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF, OF SAFETY, KNOWING THAT IT'S REALLY NOT GONNA BE EFFECTIVE, EXCEPT IN A FEW VERY SMALL CASES WHEN, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER FAILURE IN THE SYSTEM.
UM, I JUST, I REALLY HAVE A STRONG, UH, OPINION ABOUT ADDING THINGS LIKE THAT INTO THE POOL.
I'LL ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, AS A POOL BUYER, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY EXPERIENCE IS, EVERY EXPERIENCE IS DIFFERENT.
I'M NOT GONNA DENIGRATE THE, THE MANUFACTURERS, BUT, UM, I CERTAINLY WASN'T TOLD WHAT THE, THE ALARM REQUIREMENTS WERE GONNA BE UPFRONT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE ADDED SOMETHING TO THIS THAT SAYS THE POOL MANUFACTURERS REQUIRED TO, TO NOTIFY IN WRITING THE HOMEOWNER ESTIMATE OF COST OF WHAT THE ALARMS ARE GONNA ARE, BE,
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UM, BEFORE THEY SIGN A CONTRACT.I WONDER IF THAT MIGHT, UM, CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'RE, ONCE YOU'RE INTO IT AND YOU FIND OUT YOU HAVE TO SPEND A COUPLE HUNDRED EXTRA BUCKS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
ESPECIALLY MOST OF THESE ARE PROBABLY FINANCED, BUT, UH, THAT'S NEEDED HERE AND NOR THERE.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T LIKE IT.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPERFLUOUS.
IT DOESN'T, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA ACCOMPLISH THE THING THAT IT SAYS IT'S GONNA ACCOMPLISH.
AND OUR CODE BOOKS ARE CHOCKFULL OF LITTLE THINGS LIKE THIS THAT JUST ADD AND ADD AND ADD AND ADD.
AND, UH, AT SOME POINT I THINK WE HAVE TO STAND UP AND SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T ADD THINGS TO THE CODE.
UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON A FEW ANECDOTES.
THIS IS, UH, JACK UP MORE JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AS, UH, JUST TO, AND, AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE, UH, BUILDERS THAT POOL BUILDERS THAT'S ON YOUR LIST.
UM, I WON'T MENTION 'EM, BUT THOSE POOLS ARE CERTAINLY, YOU CAN GET, GET ONE PROBABLY CLOSE TO $5,000, SO, AND HAVE A, A FULL BLOWN POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD.
UM, SO THE, AND TO, TO THAT POINT, IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT IT'S BEEN, UH, STATED MANY TIMES THAT A CHILD OR SOAK AND DROWN IN TWO INCHES OF WATER, UM, IN THESE LITTLE POOLS THAT YOU BUY AT WALMART AND STICK IN THE BACKYARD.
AND I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS CODE AT ALL.
I KNOW THE CITY'S TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.
AND WITH, YOU SAID Y'ALL DID SOME RESEARCH BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING.
WAS THERE ANY CASES ANYWHERE, EVEN ONE THAT WAS STATED BECAUSE THEY WENT THROUGH A WINDOW, THAT THAT'S HOW, THAT THE DROWNING, UH, OR WHATEVER HAPPENED, UH, OCCURRED BECAUSE OF A WINDOW? WE'RE JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD EVEN ONE, UH, BOARD, CAN I NOTE THE STATEMENT MANAGER OVER INSPECTIONS? UH, I JUST WANNA INFORM THE, THE BOARD THAT THE, THE AUDIBLE ALARM, IT'S ALREADY IN THE CODE.
UH, IT'S ON THE CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS.
WHAT IS NEW IS THE AUDIBLE ALARM ON THE WINDOWS, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE ENFORCED THE AUDIBLE ALARMS FOR THE DOORS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE WINDOWS.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, IS, WAS THERE EVEN ONE CASE, AND THAT WE FOUND IN THE LAST WEEK, AND THIS IS KIND OF TO MIKE'S POINT, THAT IS, THAT IS DICTATING THIS, THIS NEW PROCEDURAL CHANGE.
I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR MAIN ACCESS.
PEOPLE ARE GOING IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME.
AND YOU HEAR, THE LAST CASE I HEARD OF A DROWNING WAS A, UH, THAT PUT THE, A, A CHILD TO BED AND THE LITTLE THREE-YEAR-OLD SNUCK OUT THE BACK DOOR, BUT IT NEVER, UH, UH, NEVER HEARD OF SOMEBODY GOING AND OPENING UP PHYSICALLY A WINDOW TO GET OUT.
BUT MAYBE I, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
HAS THERE BEEN SOME CASES LIKE THAT? THOSE ARE THE REPORTS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND CASE IN POINT, WE DID FIND SOME STUFF JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FROM JACK.
I'M SHARING THE, THAT ARTICLE, UH, THIS WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BOTH, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO GO THROUGH A WINDOW TO YEAR OLD BOY, UM, AND THEN ALSO CLIMB THE LADDER, UH, INTO THE UNCOVERED POOL.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I, WE DIDN'T PUSH THIS TOO MUCH ON THE AGENDA.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS MIKE KIND OF POINTED OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM ANECDOTAL.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, DID WE FIND SOME STUFF? YES.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT HARD STATISTICS, UH, THAT I THINK RAUL'S KIND OF TALKING ABOUT OF HERE'S THE NUMBER OF DEATHS, HERE'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT WERE FROM AN OPENING THROUGH A DOOR VERSUS A WINDOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ARE ENFORCING THE DOOR, I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS ON THE DOOR ONE RIGHT HERE.
YOU KNOW, I, I HESITATE BRINGING THIS UP, BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WE DO SEE SOME THAT IT IS, IT IS AN EVENT, IT IS AN ITEM, UH, THAT THEY DIDN'T JUST, UH, GET ADDED.
UH, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME SPECIFIC CASES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONFIRM, UH, THROUGH THE WINDOW.
HEY, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY MIKE, MIKE GRAYSON WIGGINS WITH P HT.
COULD I, COULD I ADDRESS A COUPLE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP? YEAH, PLEASE.
UH, SO GREAT DISCUSSION YOU GUYS ARE HAVING.
I WANTED NOTE A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST, AS JEREMY SHARED WITH YOU, UH, OUR MEMBER LIST, THOSE ARE JUST THE MEMBERS THAT HAVE THEIR HEADQUARTERS BASED IN THE CITY LIMITS OF SAN ANTONIO.
WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF OTHER MEMBERS IN TEXAS THAT OPERATE AND PROVIDE SERVICES WITHIN YOUR CITY.
UM, AND IT, IT PROVIDED INPUT TO OTHER LOCATIONS IN THEIR AMENDMENT PROCESS.
UH, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM OUR CONTRACTOR MEMBERS OR OUR MANUFACTURING MEMBERS REGARDING ALARMS ON THE OPERABLE WINDOWS, UH, WITH SEALS ABOVE OR BELOW 48 INCHES.
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UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, AND, AND JEREMY RILEY POINTS OUT, WE DON'T WANNA SOLELY OPERATE OFF OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.UH, SOME OF THE EVIDENCE I'VE SEEN IN RECENT YEARS, TEXAS, UH, LEADS ALONG WITH FLORIDA, USUALLY IN CHILD, CHILD DROWNINGS, UH, STATEWIDE CHILD DROWNING.
UH, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONCERN I THINK FOR OUR MEMBERS.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE CODE OR WHEN WE, WHEN THE CODE WAS FORMULATED, UH, BY THE I C C, THERE, THERE'S INPUT GIVEN FROM CONTRACTORS, INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT, UH, JUST COBBLED TOGETHER, UH, LOOSELY.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S A, A STRICT FORMULATION PROCESS THAT PROVIDES INPUT FROM INDUSTRY.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CODE AND YOU LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS, JUST, I, I'D LIKE YOU TO NOTE IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND THAT THAT INDUSTRY HAS HAD A, HAD A VOICE IN THESE, UH, CONTRACTORS HAVE GIVEN THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR, OUR MEMBERSHIP PERSPECTIVE, I THINK MOST OF OUR MEMBERS THINK THAT THIS IS A, A BIG SAFETY ISSUE.
WE'RE, UM, MAKING A REQUIREMENT FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT.
GRAYSON, UM, WAS IN THE INDUSTRY, WAS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT REQUIRING, UM, FENCES AROUND THE POOL, LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE? UM, AND THE SAFEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE THE INDUSTRY'S, UM, CONCERN WITH SAFETY.
UM, BUT WAS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE, THE REALLY SAFE, UM, OPTION, UH, REQUIREMENT? YEAH.
THIS, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ALWAYS DISCRETION ABOUT FENCES.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, AND I, AND I GET IT, LISTEN, I GET IT, THAT IT'S, YOU, YOU ARE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT BEING OR IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING THAT'S COST PROHIBITIVE AND IS GONNA PREVENT BUSINESSES FROM BEING ABLE TO SELL THE PRODUCTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO ME, THAT WINDOW ALARM IS A HAPPY MEDIUM.
YOU KNOW, EXPENSE IS CERTAINLY GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A WINDOW ALARM FOR, UM, FOR, AND THIS IS PRESCRIPTIVE TO CERTAIN TYPES OF WINDOWS, RIGHT? THESE ARE ONES WITH SEALS BELOW 48 INCHES, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE ABLE TO BE OPENED.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT A WINDOW PANE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ALARM FOR THAT, SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE OPENED.
UH, SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR MEMBERS, THIS IS A HAPPY MIDDLE GROUND IN THAT REGARD.
UH, I, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, NO, I KNOW THAT FOR MOST OF OUR MEMBERS, ALL OF OUR MEMBERS, THAT, THAT WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BALANCE SAFETY, UH, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE POTENTIAL TO DO BUSINESS, UH, WITHIN A LOCATION.
AND, UM, YEAH, I, I THINK FOR OUR, OUR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS JUST THAT HAPPY MIDDLE GROUND.
YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.
I, I, I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING AT WORK HERE, WHICH IS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA AFFECT THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES, BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THESE ALARMS ARE GONNA GO BE GONE THE MINUTE THE INSPECTOR WALKS OUT THE DOOR.
I MEAN, NO ONE'S GONNA LIVE THEIR LIVES TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO OPEN THEIR WINDOW BECAUSE, UH, THEY OVERCOOK SOMETHING IN THE KITCHEN, UM, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A REALLY LOUD ALARM SCREAMING AT 'EM.
I MEAN, I JUST, AND THAT, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE POINT I'M, I, I JUST KEEP COMING BACK TO, IS I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THIS IS COST PROHIBITIVE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE INSTALLATION OF A POOL.
I MEAN, WE, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ONE-TIME EXPENSE THAT, THAT ADDS NOTHING, YOU KNOWS, TALKED ABOUT GCIS.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COUNTERPOINT, AND THAT'S A SAFETY ITEM.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRICITY WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG THAT, AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA CHANGE OUT THEIR OUTLET THAT GRANTED THEY COULD.
UM, BUT THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT KEEP, THAT AFFECTS THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES IN THEIR OWN HOME.
AND WE, WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA LAST.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW SAFE IT'S, I, I JUST, I DON'T BUY IT.
I DON'T BUY THAT, THAT, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY SAFER.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY, WHEN WE LEGISLATE OR REGULATE, WE DO IT ON A GOOD FAITH BASIS AND WE HAVE A GOOD FAITH IN THE POPULACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ANALOGY I CAN THINK OF IS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THEFT LAWS, RIGHT? WE LEGISLATE THEFT, BUT WE KNOW THAT THEFT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND, AND WE DON'T REMOVE THEFT LAWS BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, WE, WE JUST REGULATE TO, TO THE ACT IN GOOD FAITH IN THE POPULACE.
I THINK THAT I, I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, UH, I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A REAL GOOD ANALOGY HERE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING SOMETHING FROM SOMEONE ELSE AND YOU KNOW, HOW YOU OPERATE A WINDOW IN YOUR OWN HOME.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S AN UNDERLYING COMPLIANCE ISSUE.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DO IT IN A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT THE PIPE LIST IS GONNA COMPLY INTO THE, SO, UM, MAYBE TO, TO JACK OR ANYBODY ELSE, IF WE WENT BACK THROUGH EVERY HOME THAT HAD A DOOR
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ALARM INSTALLED ON THE BACK DOOR FOR A POOL, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ALARMS DO WE ESTIMATE WOULD BE FUNCTIONAL? AT THIS MOMENT, I'VE GIVEN NO CLUE ON THAT.YOU KNOW, I, I STILL MIGHT SEE THIS AS A C Y A FOR THE CITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU READ THAT, YOU READ THAT LITTLE ARTICLE THAT WAS JUST POSTED ON THE TWO YEAR OLD THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS, WAS SO, UH, ADEPT AT OPENING A LOCKED WINDOW, OPENED THE WINDOW, CRAWLED OUT, WENT OUT.
THEY TRULY, PROBABLY, I'VE GOT A FENCE AROUND MY POOL.
UH, I'VE GOT A LOT OF WINDOWS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT ALARMS ON IT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE.
BUT MY, I'VE GOT A FENCE AROUND THE POOL NOW.
TRUTHFULLY, A CHILD THAT REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANTS IN THERE, LIKE, MAYBE I WOULD'VE WHEN I WAS A KID, I'M GOING IN THAT POOL.
I CAN CLIMB THAT FENCE AND GET IN THAT POOL.
SO, TO ME, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT COVENTRY HOMEOWNER THAT SAID, UH, WHY DIDN'T YOU, WHY DIDN'T THE CITY DO SOMETHING? I GUESS THIS IS THEIR, THEIR ATTEMPTED SAYING, WE DID SOMETHING.
WE, WE TOLD YOU TO PUT ALARMS ON YOUR WINDOWS.
WE TOLD YOU TO PUT ALARMS EVERYWHERE.
YOU CAN PUT 'EM, PUT 'EM ON YOUR GATES, PUT 'EM EVERYWHERE.
JUST PUT ALARMS EVERYWHERE AND HOPE THAT YOU SAVE YOUR CHILD.
AND BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, IT SEEMS LIKE, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT, BUT THE, THE, THE, WHEN IT SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO BLAME.
AND THIS IS TO ME, A C Y A REGULATION FOR THE CITY.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, AND IF THE INDUSTRY IS IN FAVOR OF IT, AS A, AS A WAY OF SAYING, HEY, WE, WE TOLD YOU, WE TRIED TO TELL YOU.
UM, THEN IT'S JUST ONE MORE IN OUR, UH, POLITICALLY CORRECT TIME THAT WE'RE IN THIS, DOES THAT MEAN FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? SO I JUST WANNA MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, WE DON'T ASK FOR CODE ITEMS OR, OR ANYTHING TO BE DONE.
UH, JUST KNOWING THAT IN THE FUTURE IT'S GONNA GO AWAY OR NOT.
SO, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO THAT SMALL DETECTOR AND APARTMENTS OR IN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, THEY'RE REQUIRED.
THEY'RE INSTALLED AFTER TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY TELL YOU A LOT OF FIRE THAT HAPPENED.
THE SMOKE DETECTOR IS NOT EVEN CONNECTED.
BUT WE NEVER WENT BACK IN CODE AND SAID, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ARE NOT GONNA INSTALL SMOKE DETECTORS BECAUSE IT'S WORTHLESS.
SO IN MY MIND, IF, IF I'M A RESPONSIBLE PARENT AND I HAVE A POOL AND I PUT THE ALARM ON IT, I BET YOU I'M GONNA TURN IT ON AND OFF EVERY SINGLE TIME I USE IT, BECAUSE I DO THAT NOW.
SO, AGAIN, WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT IT, SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING WE, WE WANNA KEEP IN THE CODE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE DON'T? UM, WE NEED TO REALLY JUSTIFY IT.
UM, WITH THE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF WITH THE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE MARKET, UM, THAT GIVES THE HOMEOWNERS OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND I DON'T, I'M, AT FIRST I WAS KIND OF PROCESSING THIS AND SAYING, MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT AN AMENDMENT THERE THAT IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AGE GROUP.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU SELL YOUR HOUSE AND THEN THAT AGE GROUP CHANGES, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
BUT WITH THE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DISABLE, DISARM OR, OR WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO THAT, THAT KEEPS IT AVOIDING, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE TEENAGERS, THEN, THEN THAT'S AN OPTION THAT THE HOMEOWNER CAN HAVE.
BUT TO GO BACK AND SAY, DID THE CITY EVER HAVE YOU PUT THIS IN? AND THAT OPTION'S NOT THERE, THAT THAT IS A, THAT IS A SAFETY HAZARD OR, OR SAFETY PROCESS, AN ISSUE FOR ME.
UM, AND IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEY NEVER HAD YOU PUT 'EM IN THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
UM, I, ME MADE TO GO A GOOD POINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DISABLED THESE SMOKE DETECTORS, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO PUT 'EM IN.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE COULD TRAIN, TRAIN, TRAIN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT INDIVIDUAL PERSON STILL HAS TO ABIDE BY THAT, UH, AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS, RIGHT? SO I I, I JUST THINK THAT IF THERE WAS ONLY ONE I ITEM OUT THERE THAT SAID, ONCE YOU PUT 'EM IN, THIS IS GONNA BE IT.
UM, JEREMY HAD POINTED OUT THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN, YOU, YOU HAVE CHOICES NOW, UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT SO ANNOYING TO THAT HOMEOWNER
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THAT HAS THE, UH, GROWNUP CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT TEENAGERS NOW, AND, AND WE DO, WE CAN DISABLE THE ALARM.WE'LL, WE'LL, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE AN OPTION THAT IF I DON'T NEED IT, THEN I DON'T, I CAN DISABLE IT.
BUT IF WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN OR A NEW HOMEOWNER, THEN THAT OPTION SHOULD BE BACK AND ADJUSTED, YOU KNOW, SEEING A LOT OF GOOD POINTS HERE.
AND I MEAN, JUST THE ONE THING I'M THINKING TOO, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BROAD FUTURE OF THIS, LIKE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA GO AWAY.
I MEAN, WITH THE IMPLEMENT OR IMPLEMENTING IN THE POOL CODE HERE, THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE AN ITEM EVERY TIME WE GO TO IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT CYCLE.
I, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO IT AND KEEP, KEEP MOVING HERE.
HOW, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE ABOUT THE, THE FIRE ALARMS. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT, UH, WHATEVER IT, IT'S NOT PROBABLY WORTH BELABORING.
SO WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO SAY THEIR PIECE.
UM, JEREMY, SHOULD WE, UM, VOTE ON THESE ALTOGETHER, OR SHOULD WE SEPARATE THIS OUT? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA PASS REGARDLESS.
SO HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS? UM, BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO, TO CONSIDER? THAT WAS THE QUESTION TO YOU, JEREMY SERVICES? YES, CORRECT.
UM, OH, I THINK, UH, JUST REVIEWING REAL FAST, UH, ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS, UH, THEY WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE AS TO SAY THAT, THAT WE APPROVED THEM LAST TIME, UH, WITH NO ISSUES, UH, FOR FOLLOW UP.
UM, THIS ONE WE JUST ADDRESSED EARLIER, UH, WITH REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR POOLS, SWIMMING POOLS, AND THEN ALSO REMOVING ALL OF THE, UH, SALTS REQUIREMENTS AND ADDING, UH, THE SALTS AGENDA ITEM HERE.
SO, CORRECT THAT, THAT IS THE LAST ITEM.
EVERYTHING ELSE I BELIEVE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND, UH, NO, NO FOLLOW UP ON.
SO I'D TAKE A, A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE, UH, AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED, UH, AS, AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL BOARD JACK UP.
I'M SORRY, WILLIAM, IS THAT YOU WITH THE, WITH THE SECOND? YES, SIR.
UM, DO WE NEED TO, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT OR WE, I THINK WE'VE ALL SET OUR PIECE.
JEREMY, YOU WANNA MOVE TO A VOTE? YES, SIR.
SPENCER ZEL APPROVED MOTION PASSES THREE TO ONE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, UH, THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER? UH, THAT IS ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THIS COMMITTEE MEETING.
SO THE WAY, WHEN THIS GOES TO FULL BOARD ON THURSDAY, UH, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT BASICALLY THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU'VE GOT PRESENTED.
AND THIS ENCAPSULATES EVERYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE CITY'S BEEN, UM, ENFORCING ALREADY, CORRECT? WELL, THIS IS JUST ENCAPSULATE ALL THE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS, UM, RIGHT.
THE, UH, VARIOUS ITEMS THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT.
UH, THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, OR MORE PROCEDURE AND PO UH, POLICY, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS OF, OF HOW WE WOULD, UH, GO ABOUT THOSE INSPECTIONS AND THOSE CHECKLISTS OF HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO SEE ON THE DRAWINGS, UM, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO SEE IN EXCELLENT INSPECTIONS.
UH, ANY, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? GREAT.
UH, 9 56, THE MEETINGS ADJOURNED.