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UM, SO GO AHEAD AND START THE MEETING.
TIME IS 2:01 PM ON THIS WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 12TH.
AND WE'LL CALL OUR CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE.
MADAM CLERK COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
WE DO HAVE, UH, A, UH, FAIRLY FULL AGENDA ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT
[1. 20-4651 Staff presentation of the FY 2021 Proposed Budget focusing on, but not limited to, the following City Departments or Initiatives: [Erik Walsh, City Manager; Scott Huizenga, Director, Management and Budget]: A. Police Collective Bargaining Agreement Resolution B. Results of Public Safety Listening Sessions C. Police Department]
TODAY.SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND TURN IT RIGHT OVER TO CITY MANAGER ERIC WALSH.
UM, SO THE THREE ITEMS, THE TWO, UH, TWO, UH, FIRST PRESENTATIONS ARE RELATIVELY SHORT, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE THIRD, UH, PRESENTATION, WHICH WILL BE CHIEF MCMANUS.
UM, THE, THE FIRST PRESENTATION, LIZ, IS GOING TO, UH, RECOVER WITH THE COUNCIL, THE RESOLUTION, THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, UH, PRIORITIES.
THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED AT THE END OF JUNE AND REQUESTED THAT, UH, THERE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, UM, AND A B SESSION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ITEM NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER ONE, LIZ WILL RECAP THAT AND WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, UM, AS WE ENTER INTO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEXT YEAR IN JANUARY AND THE PREPARATION THIS FALL, THAT, UM, THAT THE IDEA IS THAT WE OUTLINE, UH, WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.
UM, GOING INTO THAT NUMBER TWO, MARIA IS GONNA QUICKLY SUMMARIZE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT TO YOU IN JULY THAT, UH, SUMMARIZED THE LISTENING SESSIONS THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UM, HELD IN MAY AND JUNE.
UM, WE SENT THAT INFORMATION IN JULY.
SO MARIA WILL KIND OF RECAP THAT ON A COUPLE OF SLIDES FOR YOU, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
AND BEFORE WE GET IN THERE, LET ME JUST KIND OF RECAP SOME OF THE THINGS I SAID LAST WEEK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET, UM, IS, IS, UH, IS GROWING BY 1.7% IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, PROPOSED BUDGET.
UM, THE, THE NEARLY ALL OF THAT INCREASE IS DUE TO THE, THE 5% PAY RAISE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE LAST YEAR, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WITH AN EYE TOWARDS, UH, THE FUTURE OF POLICING, UM, TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WE MADE, UM, OTHER REDUCTIONS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO NET OUT THAT, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN PRESENTATION.
WE ARE ALSO, AND BE, WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING, UH, INVESTMENTS IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE, UM, UM, UH, CRITICAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND BIG PART OF THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION.
AND, AND I, AND I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW, AND MAYBE, AND I WANNA SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE PLAINLY THAN I DID LAST WEEK, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE, THE PLAN THAT I'VE LAID OUT REALLY, UH, SETS FORTH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FUTURE OF POLICING AND ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND, UM, AND I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT CERTAINLY, UH, ME AND, AND MARIA AND AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE COMMITTED TO THAT EFFORT.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH COUNCILWOMAN HARA AND THE REST OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE BECAUSE, UH, IT WILL, IT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE A PART OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CONVERSATIONS.
IT'LL ALSO BE PART OF, UH, BUDGET CONVERSATIONS AND, AND HOW WE MANAGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE, THE TYPE OF POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT, UH, THAT WE WANT, WE BEING YOU GUYS AND THE PUBLIC, UH, AND ALL OF US, UH, GOING FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO LIZ IS GONNA KICK US OFF.
AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY.
AND WE'RE HERE TO RECAP THE PUBLIC CALL FOR ACTION, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE MURDER OF GEORGE BOY THAT HAD OCCURRED IN MAY OF 2020, AND THE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH GOALS THAT WERE SET BY BOTH THIS IN THE GOAL AREAS OF DISCIPLINE AND TRANSPARENCY.
AND SO, JOHN, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE WERE GIVEN WAS DIRECTION FROM THE MAYOR IN JUNE WITH PUBLIC SAFETY PRIORITIES, ITEMS THAT WERE TO GO TO COMMITTEES, AS WELL AS ACTION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BRING TO YOU IN TERMS OF A RESOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE PRIORITIES
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AS WE PREPARE FOR AND GET INTO, UH, NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE OFFICERS, UM, IN JANUARY OF 2021.WE BROUGHT THAT RESOLUTION TO YOU ON JUNE 25TH THAT HIGHLIGHTED THOSE AREAS, UH, FOR DISCIPLINE AND TRANSPARENCY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WE'VE CONTINUED THAT DIALOGUE SINCE THEN TO EMPHASIZE REFORM, UM, AND HAVE HEARD AND TAKEN FURTHER FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE BUDGET SESSIONS, THE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETINGS, AS WELL AS THE, THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD ONE-ON-ONE.
AND SO, JOHN, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE PARAMETERS THAT GOVERN OUR LEGAL RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
SO THE STRICT CONFINES THAT WE WORK WITHIN FOR CIVIL SERVICE WERE ADOPTED IN 1947.
AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT STATUTE, IT GOVERNS HOW WE HIRE, HOW WE PROMOTE, HOW WE DISCIPLINE ONCE WE ADOPTED AND OUR VOTERS ADOPTED RATHER, THE, UH, ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN IN 1974.
THAT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO AFFECT THOSE PROCESSES.
SO THE BASELINE IS SET BY CIVIL SERVICE, AND THEN WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH CONTRACTS TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY IMPROVE SOME OF THOSE PROCESSES WHEN IT COMES TO HIRING, PROMOTIONS AND DISCIPLINE.
AND SO IT'S THROUGH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE STRICTLY GOVERNED BY CIVIL SERVICE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, 2021 COMMENCES OUR, UM, OUR BARGAINING TIMELINE WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, JOHN.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE HEARD IN TERMS OF THE BIG THEMES OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY, UM, WITH OUR C B A, HAVE BEEN OUR DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES AS WELL AS IMPROVING TRANSPARENCY.
OF COURSE, THERE'S THE ONGOING DISCUSSION OF THE NEEDS OF BALANCE AND MANAGE THE COST OF THE NEXT C V A WITH SS A P O A.
AND THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A DISCUSSION AS PART OF ALL THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING NOW AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO NEGOTIATIONS.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW US THE DISCIPLINARY PRIORITIES SPECIFICALLY THAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU AS PRIORITY FOR THE NEXT NEGOTIATION SESSION.
AND SO WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE 180 DAY LIMITATION THAT CONFINES OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DISCIPLINE OFFICERS.
SO THE CHIEF HAS BY STATE LAW IN CIVIL SERVICE 180 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO DISCIPLINE AN OFFICER TO LEARN OF THE INFRACTION AS WELL AS COMPLETE THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS.
AND SO WE SEEK TO, TO GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO ELIMINATE THE EIGHT AT 180 DAYS.
THE SECOND POINT THAT YOU SEE THERE IS THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE PAST DISCIPLINE AND CURRENT DISCIPLINARY CONSIDERATIONS BY OUR CURRENT TERMS OF OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE WINDOWS THAT LIMIT THE LOOK BACK PERIOD THAT THE CHIEF HAS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HIS DISCIPLINARY DECISIONS.
SO WE'VE GOT A TWO YEAR LOOK BACK, FIVE YEAR LOOK BACK, AND 10 YEAR LOOK BACK, DEPENDING UPON WHAT TYPE OF INFRACTION IS AN ISSUE FOR THE CHIEF'S CONSIDERATION.
THE THIRD POINT THAT YOU SEE THERE IS ENHANCING OUR CITIZENS ADVISORY REVIEW BOARD.
YOU AS A COUNCIL APPOINT CIVILIAN MEMBERS TO THIS BOARD THAT REVIEW THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, INVESTIGATIONS AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER CERTAIN CHARGES AGAINST AN OFFICER ARE SUSTAINED OR NOT.
IF THEY ARE SUSTAINED, THEN THAT BOARD MAKES A SUBSEQUENT VOTE AND DETERMINES WHAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDED DISCIPLINE THAT THEY WOULD MAKE TO THE CHIEF.
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THEN GO TO THE CHIEF FOR THE CHIEF'S CONSIDERATION.
THROUGHOUT OUR NEGOTIATING HISTORY WITH THE UNION, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE THE CIVILIAN PARTICIPATION ON THAT BOARD.
IT IS, UM, CURRENTLY SEVEN MEMBERS.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF 14 THAT SITS SO THAT THEY CAN ALTERNATE, BUT ENHANCING THAT IS POTENTIALLY INCLUDING A GREATER NUMBER OF THOSE.
UM, AND POTENTIALLY HAVING THE ABILITY FOR THAT BOARD TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY
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BRIEF OR UPDATE COUNSEL, UM, ON WHAT IT SEES AND TRANSPIRES, UM, BEFORE THAT BOARD.THE FOURTH POINT THAT YOU SEE IS REFORMING THE ARBITRATION PROCESS.
WE'VE HAD THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO TALK WITH YOU AT LENGTH ABOUT HOW THE CURRENT, UM, STATE LAW PROVISION PROVIDES AN ARBITRATOR THE WHOLESALE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLANT THEIR OWN JUDGMENT FOR THAT OF THE CHIEFS.
WHEN IT COMES TO A DISCIPLINARY DECISION.
WE SEEK TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT OUR ARBITRATION PROCESS IS IMPROVED, AND SO THAT OUR CHIEF'S JUDGMENT IS EFFECTIVELY THE DISCIPLINE THAT STICKS AND NOT THAT OF AN ARBITRATOR.
TRANSPARENCY IS ALSO A PRIORITY, AS YOU'VE HEARD US, UM, OUTLINE THE PROVISIONS IN 1 43 HAVE VERY STRICT LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DISCLOSED, UH, WITH REGARD TO ANY INCIDENT THAT IS POTENTIALLY UNDER REVIEW FOR DISCIPLINE.
AND ONLY IN THE EVENT OF FINAL DISCIPLINE DO WE GET TO DISCLOSE, UH, RECORDS RELATED TO THAT INCIDENT.
AND AS A RESULT, WITH THOSE STRICT LIMITATION, IT IMPAIRS OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DISCLOSURE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'VE HEARD REQUESTS FOR DATABASES, IT IMPEDES OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT AS WELL AS OUR ABILITY TO SHARE CERTAIN INFORMATION ACROSS AGENCIES.
AND SO WITH OUR FINAL SLIDE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE C A PROCESS OUTSIDE OF OUR NEGOTIATING WITH, UM, S A P O A WHERE WE WILL BE SEEKING ADDITIONAL, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE, THE BUDGET DISCUSSION WHICH, UM, CONTINUE.
AND IN THE OTHER, UM, PROCESSES, THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE SESSION COMING UPON US IN JANUARY.
AND, UM, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL DELEGATIONS ON ADDRESSING, UM, THE TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, ENUNCIATED AS THE PRIORITIES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THIS IS, UM, MARIA VIE GOMEZ, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THE NEXT TOPIC ON OUR AGENDA IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE RESULTS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY LISTENING SESSIONS THAT WERE HELD IN JUNE OF 2020.
AS A WAY OF BACKGROUND, THE DEATH OF MR. GEORGE FLOYD IN MAY 25TH, 2020 GENERATED A NATIONWIDE OUTCRY OVER RACIAL INEQUALITY AND THE NEEDLE POLICE REFORM AND POLICIES TO PROMOTE EQUITY AND JUST DISCIPLINE.
HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, MANY PEOPLE TOOK THE STREETS TO THE MAIN CHANGES REFORM AND TO VOICE A NEED FOR APPROPRIATE CHANGES IN, WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICIES TO PROMOTE EQUITY AND JUST DISCIPLINE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.
AS A RESULT, THE CHAIR OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, COUNCILWOMAN KAVIO HARA, HOSTED THREE PUBLIC SAFETY LISTENING SESSIONS DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE, WHERE WE HEARD COMMENTS FROM OUR RESIDENTS.
SO THIS THREE LISTENING SESSIONS WERE HELD TO VIRTUAL SESSIONS DUE TO COVID 19 AND AN IN-PERSON SESSION.
WE ALSO PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS THROUGH OUR ESSAY SPEAKUP VIA TEXT, AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE A VOICEMAIL.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOTAL COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED WERE 343.
THE BREAKDOWN BY COUNCIL DISTRICT IS ON THIS, UH, REFLECTED ON THIS SLIDE.
WE DID HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE COUNCIL DISTRICT WHERE THEY RESIDE, AND WE HAD FOUR INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE CD LIMITS.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE RESULTS OF THIS, UH, COMMENTS AS WE ANALYZE ONE BY ONE, THOSE COMMENTS OFFER MORE THAN ONE SUGGESTIONS.
THE COMMENTS WERE THOROUGH, AND WE, UH, PROVIDED YOU WITH A REPORT WITH ALL THOSE 343 COMMENTS.
SO AS WE REVIEW THEM, WE ANALYZE THEM AND CATEGORIZE THEM INTO 11 CATEGORIES.
SO THOSE 343 COMMENTS PROVIDED 448 INDIVIDUAL SUGGESTIONS.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE COMMENTS BY
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CATEGORY.THE MAJORITY, OR 97 PER OR 97 COMMENTS CALL FOR REALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO OTHER SERVICES OR TO DEFEND THE POLICE.
94, IN CONTRAST, INDICATED SUPPORT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND REQUESTING NOT TO DECREASE THE POLICE BUDGET.
THE THIRD HIGHEST, UH, CATEGORY WAS, UH, A REQUEST TO REPEAL CHAPTERS 1 43 AND 1 74, OR CHANGES TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
WE ALSO, THERE WERE COMMENTS RELATED TO POLICE REFORM CHANGES IN TRAINING, A REQUEST TO END RACISM, A REQUEST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO IMPROVE COMMUNITY RELATIONS TO INCREASE DIVERSITY IN, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOTH ETHNICITY AND GENDER.
AND THERE WERE ALSO, UH, 52 COMMENTS THAT WERE CATEGORIZED IN ANOTHER CATEGORY, EITHER BECAUSE THE COMMENTS WERE NOT WITHIN THE TOPIC OF PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WERE COMMENTS ABOUT COVID 19.
AND THERE ARE ALSO COMMENTS THAT WERE NOT, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CATEGORIZE THEM INTO ANY OF THE OTHER 10 CATEGORIES.
THESE, UH, RESULTS ARE POSTED ONLINE IN THIS CATEGORIES, AND AGAIN, THE REPORT WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF MCMANUS TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 PROPOSED BUDGET.
MAYOR, COUNCIL, GOOD AFTERNOON.
AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET GOING FORWARD NEXT YEAR.
UH, THERE'S FIVE AREAS, OR I'M SORRY, SIX AREAS THAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT.
AND, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS BUDGET AND DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW.
THE SECOND IS FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES.
AND THE CITY MANAGER HAD MENTIONED THOSE IN HIS, UH, BUDGET PRESENTATION TO Y'ALL LAST WEEK.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF SS A P D, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, MENTAL HEALTH, AND THEN THE CLOSING SLIDE ON MOVING FORWARD.
SO, THE DEPARTMENT'S OVERVIEW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THREE BUREAUS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE THE OPERATIONS BUREAU, WHICH IS IN THE CENTER THERE.
AND THAT'S ALL OF YOUR STREET OPERATIONS.
IT'S PATROL, SAFE TRAFFIC, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN, IN, IN TERMS OF ANSWERING CALLS AND ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS COMES UNDER THE OPERATIONS BUREAU AND MOSTLY TAKES PLACE IN UNIFORM.
UH, UNDER OPERATIONS SUPPORT BUREAU, IT'S ALL OF YOUR INVESTIGATIVE UNITS, YOUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION, UH, YOUR COVERT UNITS, AND INCLUDING THE FUSION CENTER, WHICH IS, I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN UP ON THE SIXTH FLOOR.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES BUREAU, WHICH IS ALL OF THE FISCAL ADMINISTRATION OPERATIONS COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH IS THE LARGEST, UH, UNIT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES BUREAU.
UH, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION RECORDS, JUST TO NAME A FEW.
AND THEN THE FOLLOWING FALL UNDER THE CHIEF'S OFFICE, UH, AS INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THE TRAINING ACADEMY, THE DETENTION CENTER, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TECHNOLOGY.
SO THIS, THIS SLIDE IS IMPORTANT FOR ME.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, UH, UH, RELATIVE TO THE SERVICES THAT WE DELIVER AND TO WHOM WE DELIVER THEM.
SO, OUR COMMITMENT, MY COMMITMENT ON THIS IS UTILIZING THE EQUITY ATLAS IN DETERMINING ALL OF OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, UH, INCLUSION OF EQUITY, UH, IN THE REVIEW OF CRIME STATISTICS AND TRENDS, UH, INCLUSION OF THE EQUITY CRITERIA IN SCORING COMMUNITY CRIME PREVENTION SOLICITATION.
UH, WE HAVE ONE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, ACTUALLY THE R F P CLOSED YESTERDAY.
UH, PARTNERSHIPS WITH TRUSTED COMMUNITY LEADERS IN OUTREACH TO LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
AND LASTLY, PARTICIPATE, UH, IN ON THE CITY'S EQUITY TRAIN THE TRAINER PROGRAM, UH, WHICH WE WILL USE TO, UH, TRAIN EVERYONE IN THE DEPARTMENT ON THE ASPECTS OF EQUITY.
AND SS A P D, OUR 2021 PROPOSED POLICE BUDGET.
UM, THERE'S AN 8%, UH, I'M SORRY, $8 MILLION INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, DUE SOLELY TO THE MANDATES BY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
THE, THE REST OF IT IS PRIMARILY FLAT.
UM, THIS IS THE LOWEST INCREASE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN BOTH DOLLARS AND PERCENTAGE.
UH, LAST YEAR THERE WAS A 5%, OR ACTUALLY THIS BUDGET WAS A 5% INCREASE.
UH, OUR PROPOSED 2021 BUDGET IS A 1.7% INCREASE.
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AGAIN, UH, THE 2021 PROPOSED BUDGET COMPARED TO THE 2020 ADOPTED BUDGET.UH, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING INCREASES IS, UH, UM, 11.8 MILLION.
THE, UH, THE PRE-FUND, UH, INCREASE IS, UH, 1,000,001.
WE HAVE A REDUCTION IN OVERTIME OF 3.4 MILLION REDUCTION OF, UM, UM, 1.3 MILLION BECAUSE OF A TRANSFER OF OUR C R T TO METRO HEALTH.
AND THEN TRANSFER OF POSITIONS TO THREE POSITIONS TO INNOVATION, WHICH ARE 0.26 MILLION.
AND OTHER ADJUSTMENTS ARE, UH, 1.2 MILLION.
SO, UH, THAT TALLIES UP THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF FOUR, UH, 4 87 0.2.
UH, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING INCREASE OF NEARLY 12 MILLION IS REDUCED BY A REDUCTION OF THE OVERTIME, AS I MENTIONED, AND TRANSFER OF PERSONNEL TO METRO HEALTH AND THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION.
UH, LOOKING AT THE PIE CHARTS, UH, 85% OF THE BUDGET IS PERSONNEL COSTS.
UH, THE OTHER SLICES OF THE PIE ARE FOR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, COMMODITIES, IT, AND INSURANCE, AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
AND OUR GRANT MATCH OF, UH, 5.8 MILLION, 79% OF THAT COST IS C B A RELATED, UH, NON C B A RELATED IS, UH, A HUNDRED MILLION OR 21%.
SO THE S A P D GENERAL FUND PROPOSED, UH, 21 FISCAL 20 FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET, UH, NON, THE NON C B A BUDGET COMPONENT IS 100, UH, MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, THE HIGHEST, UH, COST THERE IS TO OUR 9 1 1 COMMUNICATION CENTER.
WE HAVE 297, UH, CIVILIAN POSITIONS IN THAT UNIT, THE LARGEST IN THE DEPARTMENT, UH, SUPPORT TO PATROL INVESTIGATIVE UNITS AND REPORTING, UH, UH, PROPERTY ROOM, UH, PERSONNEL.
WE HAVE 151 POSITIONS THERE FOR A HUNDRED FOR $11 MILLION.
UH, ALL TOTAL, IT'S, UM, 40, UH, $44 MILLION, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 653 PERSONNEL.
UH, OUR NON-PERSONNEL COSTS IS, IS ARE ALL THOSE, UH, AREAS THAT SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR TECHNICAL SUPPORT, UH, THE TOWING CONTRACT, THE FLEET MA, UH, FACILITY MAINTENANCE, OUR MEDICAL EXAMINER'S CONTRACT WITH BEXAR COUNTY, UM, AND OTHER, UH, FEW OTHER, UH, AREAS FOR A TOTAL OF $56 MILLION.
OUR CRIME STATS, UH, FOR 2020, UH, YEAR TO DATE, OR ACTUALLY THROUGH JULY, UH, WE ARE UP, UH, BY 11%, 11 POINT A HALF PERCENT IN VIOLENT CRIMES.
THAT SEEMS TO BE A TREND NATIONWIDE IN, IN JUST ABOUT EVERY CITY.
THERE ARE NO REAL, UH, QUALIFIABLE EXPLANATIONS AS TO WHY THAT'S HAPPENING.
I'VE GOT SOME UN QUALIFIABLE OPINIONS MYSELF AS TO WHY THAT'S HAPPENING.
I'D BE ABLE TO, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT.
UH, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, OUR PROPERTY CRIMES, UM, UM, INVERSELY ARE, UH, ARE DOWN BY 14%.
UH, TOTAL CRIME, TOTAL U C R CRIME IS DOWN 10%.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, THAT COVID HAS CHANGED THE WAY WE'VE RESPONDED TO CALLS FOR SERVICE, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP OUR POLICE OFFICERS SAFE AND ALSO KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE.
SO THAT MAY HAVE HAD SOME, SOME TYPE OF IMPACT ON, UH, ON THE INCREASE IN CRIME.
UH, TAKING A LOOK AT OUR STAFFING NUMBERS BACK FROM 2013, UH, WE SEE OUR NUMBERS INCREASE ALL THE WAY UP TO 2020.
UH, LOOKING AT FILLED, FILLED CADETS, UH, VERSUS OUR AUTHORIZED, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, ONE POSITION OVER OUR AUTHORIZED STRENGTH RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE CLA A CLASS STARTING IN LATE AUGUST.
AND WHEN THAT CLASS STARTS, UH, IF WE HIRE WHAT WE EXPECT TO HIRE, WE WILL BE ACTUALLY 60 POSITIONS OVER WHAT OUR AUTHORIZED NUMBER IS, AND OUR COPS GRANT POSITIONS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER.
UH, LOOKING AT OUR OFFICER ATTRITION, THESE INCLUDE RESIGNATIONS AND EVERY OTHER REASON FOR, UH, TERMINATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S, UH, DISCIPLINARY, JUST RESIGNATIONS OR DEATHS.
UH, WE AVERAGE ABOUT SIX RETIREMENTS A MONTH, AND OUR TOTAL SEPARATIONS BETWEEN, UH, ARE BETWEEN 90 AND OVER AND, AND ABOUT A HUNDRED EACH MONTH, YEAR, I'M SORRY, EACH YEAR, FORGIVE ME.
UH, ACADEMY CLASSES, UH, WE HAD THREE CLASSES IN 2020.
UM, THE LAST CLASS THAT HAS YET TO START 2020 A, WE HAVE 47 CADETS IN THE ACADEMY.
THEY'RE DUE TO GRADUATE IN AUGUST OF, UH, IN AUGUST 20, ON AUGUST 28TH, 2020
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B.WE HAVE 57 CADETS, AND THEY'RE DUE TO GRADUATE IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
UH, TALKING ABOUT FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES, WHICH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, MENTIONED IN HIS, UH, BUDGET PRESENTATION LAST WEEK, UH, HIRING AND TRAINING.
WE ARE GOING TO REVIEW OUR HIRING AND TRAINING PROCESS STANDARDS.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EXISTING REQUIREMENTS, UH, COMPARE THEM WITH STATE AND NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES, WHICH WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO, TO BRING SOMEONE IN TO EXAMINE OUR HIRING PROCESS FROM OUTSIDE.
AND THEN, UH, OUR ENHANCED TRAINING SCHEDULE.
I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE, 'CAUSE TRAINING HAS BEEN MENTIONED, UH, IN JUST ABOUT EVERY CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR TRAINING SCHEDULE, UH, FOR, UH, IN-SERVICE AND OUR ACADEMY TRAINING, OUR CADET TRAINING, YOU'LL SEE BLOCKS OF HOURS.
AND, AND THOSE BLOCKS OF HOURS MAY NOT BE REPEATED FOR A YEAR, TWO YEARS, OR THREE YEARS AT THE NEXT IN-SERVICE.
SO, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH CRAIG TO SEE IF IT WAS CRAIG HOPKINS TO SEE IF IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO.
AND I WANT TO, I WANT TO INCLUDE A, UH, A VIRTUAL LEARNING PLATFORM IN THE DEPARTMENT TO WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAINING, UH, ON A MORE FREQUENT BASIS.
AND THE, THE, THE FREQUENCY THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS MONTHLY, AND WE'LL FOCUS ON AREAS THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO THE PUBLIC AND ARE OF, OF, UH, OF, OF, UH, IMPORTANCE TO THE DEPARTMENT, SUCH AS SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUITY.
BUT THE, THE, UH, THE IMPORTANT PART FOR THE, FOR ME ON THIS ONE IS THE FREQUENCY WHICH WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE TRAINING SESSIONS.
ACCOUNTABILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND DISCIPLINE.
ALSO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE DEPARTMENT AND TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, IT IS CRITICAL FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TRUST.
UH, THE, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO KNOW THAT, THAT OFFICERS WHO ENGAGE IN MISCONDUCT WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
UH, AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL.
IT'S, UH, THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN A WELL-DISCIPLINED, UH, WELL-EDUCATED DEPARTMENT.
LOOKING AT OUR DATA AND TRANSPARENCY, WE'VE TAKEN, UH, MAJOR STEPS TO, UM, TO, UH, BECOME MORE TRANSPARENT AND TO INCREASE OUR, UH, ABILITY TO PROVIDE DATA.
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AS YOU KNOW.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO LIVE IN NOVEMBER WITH THAT, THAT WILL INCREASE AVAILABILITY OF OFFICERS ON THE STREET BECAUSE OF THE TI LESS TIME IT'LL TAKE TO DO REPORTS.
UH, WE WILL BE, UH, THAT'LL PROMOTE REPORTING AND INVESTIGATING EFFICIENCY ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, OUR PUBLIC NOTE, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY NOTIFICATION, UH, WE, THAT'S THE, UH, THE TRITECH SYSTEM, WHICH, UM, WILL GO LIVE IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
IT'S ACTUALLY PARTIALLY LIVE THIS YEAR.
THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO OFFER US A, UH, A PLATFORM TO PROVIDE NOTIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WHEN THEY CALL ABOUT OUR PRECAUTIONS THAT WE'LL TAKE DURING C O V I D.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE UPDATES, UH, TO INVESTIGATIVE, UH, TO INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE, UH, UH, THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS DOING.
UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY SURVEYS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL, UH, FOR FOLLOW UP AND TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING IN THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, SPIDER TECH PLATFORM WILL BE ABLE TO, WILL ENABLE US TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN OUR STATISTICS AND REPORTING DETAIL THAT, THAT WE, WE, I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOVED TO THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION, BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE US WITH
OUR DATA AND TRANSPARENCY, AGAIN, WE HAVE, UH, IMPROVED WHAT I GUESS WAS A, A CLUNKY WEBSITE.
UH, IT WAS MORE DIFFICULT, UH, TO GET AROUND IN THAN IT, THAN IT WOULD, THAN IT IS NOW.
WE, IT IS EASIER, EASIER TO MANEUVER IN.
IT'S GOT INCREASED FUNCTIONALITY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY LOOK AT ON A DESKTOP OR ON YOUR LAPTOP, MAY NOT LOOK THE SAME WHEN YOU BRING IT UP ON YOUR CELL PHONE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE INCREASED FUNCTIONALITY COMES IN.
UH, IT MAKES IT, UH, MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO FOLKS.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, ANOTHER IMPORTANT AREA FOR US.
UH, WE REMAIN COMMITTED, UM, UH, TO EVEN INCREASING, UH, OUR, UH, OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, UH, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BY STRENGTHENING ITS, UH, OUR PARTNERSHIP AND OUR COMMUNICATION WITH THE FOLKS WE SERVE OUT THERE.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING, UH, IN 2021 TO HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY LIAISON OFFICE, WHICH WILL REPORT DIRECTLY TO ME, UH, THAT, UH, THE, THE FOLKS IN THAT OFFICE WILL, WILL WORK,
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UH, DIRECTLY, UH, WITH OUR, UH, COMMUNITIES WHO, WHO SCORE HIGH, UH, ON THE EQUITY, UH, IN, IN THE, UH, ON THE EQUITY ATLAS.UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO, TO WORK WITH OUR, OR WITH MY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GROUP.
UM, WE ARE ALREADY PARTICIPATING ON, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, BOARDS AND ADVOCACY BOARDS, UH, JUST TO NAME TWO, UH, SARAH AND THE, UH, FAMILY VIOLENCE PREVENTION SERVICES BOARD.
UM, OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM IS, UH, IS OUT THERE WORKING.
THEY WILL BE HOPEFULLY OUT THERE WORKING.
THEY'RE OUT THERE WORKING NOW.
UM, WORKING IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE'S, UH, POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE, UH, PROVIDING VICTIM SERVICES, UH, OUR SAFE PROGRAM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SURVEYS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAM, UM, WHICH IS, UH, A PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED $150,000 FROM OUR ASSET FOR FORFEITURE FUNDS, UM, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE UP AND RUNNING IN, IN, UM, FISCAL YEAR 2021.
SO ALL THOSE PROGRAMS, UH, WILL INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO, TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ON A HIGHER LEVEL.
UH, WHAT IS OUR ROLE, UH, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? SO CURRENTLY, UM, UH, YEAR TO DATE, UM, THERE ARE 716,177 EMERGENCY CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UH, 523 OF THOSE ARE NON-EMERGENCY SERVICE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBERS, MOVING UP FROM SEVEN, UH, FROM 2016, WE GET OVER 2.2 MILLION CALLS FOR SERVICE PER YEAR.
UH, BOTH NON-EMERGENCY AND EMERGENCY.
AND HOUR PROJECTION FOR 2020 IS, UH, OVER 1.3 MILLION EMERGENCY AND 933,000 NON-EMERGENCY CALLS.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING CLOSELY AT ARE THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT, UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, OR MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED A RESPONSE OF A POLICE OFFICER.
AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM, AND THEY ADD UP TO A LOT OF HOURS OF, UH, OFFICER TIME.
UH, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LIST IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE NECESSARILY NEED A POLICE OFFICER AT AN ABANDONED VEHICLE CALL OR FOR, UH, FOR, UH, AN INFORMATION CALL OR A LOUD MUSIC CALL.
UM, ANY OF THESE, UH, MAY NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRE A POLICE OFFICER.
WE'RE GOING TO STUDY THOSE, UH, CLOSELY TO SEE HOW WE CAN LAY OUT, UH, A POSSIBLY, UH, DIFFERENT WAY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HANDLES THOSE CALLS.
AND THE CITY MANAGER I KNOW LAID OUT THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE, UH, ROLE OF POLICE WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONDING TO THESE TYPES OF CALLS.
AND, AND I THINK, UH, I THINK HE GAVE A, UH, A TIMELINE OF SOMETIME, UH, IN 2021 IN THE SPRINGTIME SOMEWHERE, SOMETIME IN APRIL, MAYBE THAT WAS, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE CALLS.
AND THESE, THESE ARE REFERRING TO THE NUMBER OF, UH, TO THE, TO THE TYPES OF CALLS I JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE CALLS HAVE INCREASED FROM 2011.
UH, TO, TO BREAK THEM DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, WE HAD OVER 177,000 DISTURBANCE CALLS.
OVER 21,000 MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, OVER 21,000 INFORMATION CALLS, 13,000 CHILD VISITATION VIOLATION CALLS, AND OVER 9,000 ANIMAL RELATED CALLS.
AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE RESPONDING TO ALL OF THESE CALLS, TAKING UP SO MUCH OF AN OFFICER'S TIME WHEN A BADGING GUN MAY NOT BE NEEDED AT THESE TYPES OF CALLS? WE HAVE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS PUT INTO MOTION, UM, OVER A YEAR AGO WITH OUR COLLABORATIVE COMMISSION ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, WE'RE COMING UP ON OUR YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, EXPAND, UH, OUR ROLE IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BEYOND SIMPLY THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT, UM, AND MOVING OVER TO MORE PREVENTION, A PREVENTATIVE ASPECT, AND AN IMPROVED ASPECT TO SERVICES.
AND, AND A, UH, LOOKING TO BREAK A CYCLE, THE CYCLE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.
OUR 2020 COPS GRANTS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH FAMILY VIOLENCE.
THOSE 25 DETECTIVE POSITIONS WILL BE ASSIGNED TO C R T AND PROVIDE A, A, A GREATER, UM, UM, A GREATER COVERAGE PERIOD.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE COVER, UH, FROM ZERO, UH, FROM SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A WEEKEND
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COVERAGE.UH, THESE 25 POSITIONS WILL ENABLE US TO DO THAT.
UH, AND THEN, UH, WE CAN BOAST ABOUT HAVING A, UH, A, UH, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROGRAM THAT COVERS 24 7.
WE'VE HAD A MENTAL HEALTH UNIT SINCE 2008.
IT IS BEEN NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED.
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF, UH, PROGRAMS THAT YOU SEE ACROSS THE TOP ROW AND THAT MATRIX.
UM, WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE OF THOSE MODELS.
UM, OUR PICK PROGRAM, UH, IDENTIFIES THE TOP 100 UTILIZERS.
UH, WE ARE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING UP ON THEIR TREATMENT AND THEIR MEDS, WHICH, UH, PRECLUDES US FROM HAVING, HOPEFULLY PRECLUDES US FROM HAVING TO DO REPEAT CALLS OF SERVICE TO THE, FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
UM, VERY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR, UM, INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL, UH, TO THIS, UH, TO, TO WHAT WE MAY LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
UH, WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, PLENTY OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, I'VE BEEN HAVING THEM, UM, FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS WITH A VARIETY OF GROUPS ON, UH, WEBEX CALLS AND ZOOM CALLS.
THIS MORNING, I'M SORRY, YESTERDAY MORNING I WAS ON A CALL WITH A GROUP CALLED ICAN.
IT'S A, UM, UM, THAT IS A GROUP, UH, A FAITH-BASED GROUP.
UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND THE NAME OF THAT GROUP.
UM, WAS IT INTERFA C? YEAH, IT'S CALLED THE INTERFAITH COMMUNITY ACTION NETWORK.
AND THERE WERE PROBABLY AROUND 40 FOLKS ON THAT CALL.
AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER GROUPS, UH, OF THE SAME, UM, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE ON POLICE REFORM.
UH, WE'LL HAVE REPEATED MEETINGS WITH THEM, UH, FREQUENT MEETINGS WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD.
AND EVEN ONCE WE, UM, FINALLY TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS ISSUE OF POLICE REFORM, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE.
WE'VE AGREED TO CONTINUE, UH, OUR INTERACTIONS, UH, MOVING FORWARD BEYOND THAT.
SO, AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT, UH, FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MOVING FORWARD AND DISCUSSING THE EVOLUTION OF, UH, OF THE POLICE AT THIS TIME, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO, UH, THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.
AND, UH, AS ALWAYS, UM, WE ARE READY FOR QUESTIONS.
UH, CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 27? I JUST WANTED TO 0.1 THING OUT TO THE COUNCIL, UH, BEFORE WE GO INTO Q A.
SO, I, I WANTED TO MAKE A CONNECTION HERE TO SOMETHING THAT, UH, I SHARED WITH YOU LAST WEEK.
UM, WE, WE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS SETTING ASIDE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, FACILITATE THAT, THAT, UH, CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE ABOUT THIS FOURTH CATEGORY OF, UM, OF, UH, OF, UM, OF POTENTIAL SERVICE, THE MOBILE CRISIS TEAM.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU WILL RECALL THAT COUNCILWOMAN, UH, GARCIA HAD BROUGHT UP THE CAHOOTS PROGRAM THAT'S IN, UH, IN OREGON.
UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE FOUR DIFFERENT TYPE OF EVIDENCE-BASED PROGRAMS THAT, THAT EXIST, UH, IN, IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND AS THE, AS THE, AS THE CHIEF MENTIONED, WE DO ELEMENTS OF THREE OF THEM, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT MOBILE CRISIS TEAM PIECE.
UM, AND, AND THERE ARE, THERE IS A PROGRAM, UH, THAT IS, UM, IT'S A SMALL PROGRAM AT THE CENTER FOR HEALTHCARE SERVICES.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT HALF MILLION DOLLARS, WE'VE INCLUDED THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN ORDER TO FACILITATE, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH.
AND I KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN TIO BROUGHT THAT UP YESTERDAY, UH, IN ANOTHER TOPIC.
UM, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, DEAL WITH AN ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE MECHANISM, THEN, UM, THAT WOULD EVEN FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
AND WE COULD RELY UPON THAT, THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A WEEK TO GIVE US A STARTING POINT, BE ABLE TO, UH, BETTER DEAL WITH THESE TYPES OF CALLS.
MAYOR, I'LL HAND IT BACK TO YOU.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM, ERIC, AND, UH, LET ME, LET ME START JUST, UH, BY THANKING, UH, CHIEF FOR THE PRESENTATION, MARIA, UH, LIZ AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONTINUE TO EMPHASIZE EQUITY, UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT TO ARTICULATE THAT.
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OUT, UH, AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN COUNCIL MEMBER BERT HUBBARD'S COMMITTEE, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK WE NEED TO BE, UH, WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND APPRECIATE THE EMBRACING OF PUBLIC INPUT AND, AND EQUITY INTO THIS PROCESS.
UM, LET ME START WITH A QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S EITHER FOR YOU, UH, ERIC OR LIZ.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE CAR, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO VACANCIES ON THE CARD, COULD YOU GO OVER THE PROCESS TO FILL THOSE VACANCIES? SURE, MAYOR.
UH, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ONE VACANCY.
THERE'S 14 INDIVIDUALS, UH, TOTAL, UM, WHO ARE APPOINTED BY COUNSEL.
UM, THEY SIT, UM, SEVEN AT A TIME, SIT ON ON THE HEARINGS.
THE ADVERTISEMENTS ARE DONE THROUGH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THROUGH THE POLICE CHIEF'S OFFICE.
UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF APPLICANTS HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR THAT LAST VACANCY.
THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE CONTRACT, UM, IT USED TO BE, UM, TWO CONTRACTS AGO WHERE APPLICANTS WOULD COME IN AND THE UNION HAD THE ABILITY TO STRIKE THROUGH BEFORE, UH, THE CITY, UH, COULD, COULD CONSIDER.
THAT WAS CHANGED TWO CONTRACTS AGO.
AND THE PROCESS NOW IS THEY APPLY, THEY'RE INTERVIEWED, UH, BY THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY OR THE FIRST ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, THE POLICE CHIEF, AND THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
UM, THEY, UH, THE CHIEF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE BRING FORWARD FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT'S OUTLINED NOW THAT WE, THAT WE UNDERGO.
AND AS I MENTIONED, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE VACANCY, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF FOLKS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST AND SUBMITTED THAT, UH, HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.
SO THAT'S GOVERNED IN THE C V A, TO BE CLEAR? YES, SIR.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS OF, UM, SIGNIFICANT COMMENT FROM OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS IS HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THERE'S GREATER INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT, CITIZEN OVERSIGHT OF THE PROCESS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE CARB, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE, THE RESOLUTION.
UM, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS, HOW ARE WE GONNA ENSURE THAT THERE'S MORE OVERSIGHT AND TEETH IN THE CITIZEN OVERSIGHT PROCESS RIGHT NOW? UH, PARTICULARLY INCLUDING, UM, WHAT HAS BECOME THE, THE, THE FLASHPOINT, WHICH IS THE ARBITRATION PROCESS.
SO JUST, UM, JUST A REMINDER BECAUSE IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THAT PROCESS THAT THE, THE CARB MAKES A RE DISCIPLINARY RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE CHIEF AND THE CHIEF INSTITUTES THE DISCIPLINE.
AND, AND, AND SO THE ARBITRA, IF ARBITRATION IS CHOSEN BY THE, BY THE OFFICER, UH, AT THAT POINT, UM, THE, THE AR THE, THE, THE, UH, WHAT'S BEING ARBITRATED IS THE CHIEF'S DECISION, NOT THE, NOT THE, UH, CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD'S DECISION.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND THE CHIEF CAN CHIEF JUMP IN AND TELL ME HOW, HOW YOU TELL THE GROUP HOW YOU UTILIZE THAT, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION BECOMES SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE CHIEF USES IN TERMS OF A GUIDEPOST IN DETERMINING THAT FINAL RECOMMENDATION.
SO, SO AN OFFICER CAN TAKE ANY, ANY NUMBER OF DAYS SUSPENSION TO AN ARBITRATOR FROM A ONE DAY TO A TERMINATION.
SO IF, IF THE, THE OFFICER DOES NOT AGREE, UH, TO ACCEPT THE PENALTY, THAT'S, THAT, THAT I IMPOSE, THEN UH, IT'S GOING TO ARBITRATION.
UM, IF AN OFFICER AGREES THEN AND THERE'S A SETTLEMENT, THEN, THEN WE'RE DONE AT THAT POINT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE PART OF, UH, BUSINESS THAT'S RELATED TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS, UM, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE INDEPENDENCE OF OVERSIGHT OF THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS.
AND WE SHOULD BE DRIVING TOWARDS THAT, WHICH IS ALSO WHY, UM, I'M ENCOURAGED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING THIS C B A, UH, RESOLUTION FORWARD, UM, HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF THE, THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING.
UM, IF, CAN WE GO TO SLIDE NINE, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO, UH, A DISAGGREGATED BUDGET, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET A DISAGGREGATION OF WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES FUNCTIONALLY AND HOW WE'RE HANDLING CERTAIN, UM, UH, RESPONSES.
VIOLENT CRIME VERSUS PROPERTY CRIME VERSUS OTHER
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CALLS.AND JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT DEGREE OR WHAT PROPORTION OF TIME, UH, ENERGY, UM, RESOURCES ARE BEING PUT TOWARDS VIOLENT CRIME VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT MIGHT HELP, UH, START THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, CHIEF, THE HIRING AND FIRING AND TRAINING PROCESS, ARE WE DOING A, A, A REVIEW OF THAT? AND WILL THAT BE REPORTED BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER HO'S COMMITTEE? MAYOR, THE INTENT IS TO DO A, A REVIEW OF THE HIRING PROCESS, UH, AS WELL AS THE TRAINING PROCESS.
AND THAT'LL BE REPORTED BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE? YES, SIR.
UM, LET ME GO AHEAD AND PASS IT OFF NOW TO, UM, OUR CHAIR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER
UH, ON, ON THAT SAME NOTE, UM, ITEMS TO TAKE TO PUBLIC SAFETY, I, UM, I'D LIKE TO HOLD ANOTHER SMALLER BUDGET SESSION IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO GIVE OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND CONSTITUENTS TIME TO REVIEW THE ISSUES THAT ARE PRESENTED HERE TODAY.
UM, SO MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO, TO NOT ONLY US, BUT, UM, OUR CONSTITUENTS.
UH, CHIEF, ARE THERE OTHER AREAS BEING CONSIDERED FOR COLLABORATION WITH UNIFORM PERSONNEL UNIFORM, MUCH LIKE THE COMMUNITY SERVICE SPECIALIST BEING MOVED FROM, UH, SS A P D TO METRO HEALTH? UH, I'M NOT, COULD WE REPEAT THAT? COUNCIL MEMBER? UH, YES.
CHIEF, ARE THERE OTHER AREAS BEING CONSIDERED FOR COLLABORATION WITH UNIFORM PET PERSONNEL? I, I'M IN, UH, REFERENCING THE COMMUNITY SERVICE SPECIALIST BEING MOVED TO METRO HEALTH COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO, UM, CONTINUE TO, TO BE INVOLVED IF, IF THERE'S ANY, TO, JUST TO BE ABLE TO HELP THROW SOME IDEAS OUT THERE AND, UM, MAYBE WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT ON WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT KINDS OF THINGS YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
COUNCILWOMAN, LET ME, LET ME ADD THAT, UH, UH, YOU'LL RECALL ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD, UH, LAST WEEK, THAT, THAT ALSO, IN TERMS OF THAT NEW HOMELESS OUTREACH PROGRAM THAT WAS INITIALLY TO THE CARES, UH, UH, CARES GRANT THAT WE'RE ADDING, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD ADDITIONAL GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT'S, THAT, THAT, UH, UH, KIND OF A DIFFERENT DELIVERY MODEL, UM, UH, WITH, UH, HOMELESS AND HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS AND, AND, AND RELYING UPON MORE OF THE CLINIC CLINICIANS AND, AND SOCIAL WORKERS FOR OUTREACH, UM, RATHER THAN JUST POLICE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER AREA AS WELL.
UH, CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED A MONTHLY VIRTUAL LEARNING PLATFORM.
UH, WHAT KINDS, UH, WELL, YOU MENTIONED ALSO SOME KINDS OF TOPICS, SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUITY, AND THAT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING.
DO YOU, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF CONTINUOUS TRAINING S A P D CURRENTLY OFFERS ITS OFFICERS? I THINK YOU MIGHT BE MUTED, CHIEF.
SO, SO IN SERVICE AND ROLL CALL TRAINING, UH, IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND LET, LEMME JUST, LEMME JUST EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT, THAT KIND OF RESONATES WITH ME.
WHEN THE MILITARY GOES ON A, ON A GOES ON A MISSION, LET'S SAY A SIX MONTH MISSION, THE, THE, THE, THE NAVY SEALS OR SOME MARINE CORPS, UM, UH, UNIT, WHEN THEY GO ON A SIX MONTH, SIX MONTH MISSION, THEY TRAIN FOR WELL OVER A YEAR FOR THAT MISSION.
AND UNTIL EVERYTHING BECOMES MUSCLE MEMORY, EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS JUST AUTOMATIC.
AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A 40 HOUR BLOCK OF TRAINING WHERE WE MAY HIT, UH, UM, A, A A, A TOPIC FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, AND THEN MAY NOT HAVE, THAT EXPO MAY NOT BE EXPOSED TO THAT AGAIN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, I, I I, I, IT FEELS MORE TO ME LIKE JUST CHECKING THE BOX.
SO, SO WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN IS, IS THAT THE, THE ISSUES THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO THE, TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, I WANT US TO BE REPETITIVE IN OUR TRAINING ON THAT.
SO, SO EVERY MONTH WE WOULD HAVE SEVERAL BLOCKS OF TRAINING ONLINE.
WE WOULD GO ON FOR, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY FOR 10 OR 15 MINUTES, IT'S MORE ABOUT
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THE FREQUENCY OF GETTING THAT TRAINING, THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPACTFUL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.SO I DISCUSSED THAT WITH CRAIG HOPKINS AND, UH, JUST THE OTHER NIGHT, AND IT IS DOABLE, UH, OUR TASK RIGHT NOW IS TO FIND OUT WHERE THAT MATERIAL MAY LIE, UH, AND, AND, AND BRING IT ON BOARD AND, AND AGAIN, AND FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT MATERIAL MAY BE.
BUT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE INCIDENTS OF MISCONDUCT THAT WE EXPERIENCE, UM, YOU WONDER HOW AN OFFICER WOULD DO THAT, WHY AN OFFICER WOULD DO THAT.
AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A FLAW IN OUR RECRUITMENT, UH, OR OUR TRAINING.
I, I SIMPLY THINK IT'S, IT, IT, IT IS A BUILDUP OF THE ARROGANCE OF AUTHORITY.
IT'S A BUILDUP OF NOT HEARING ABOUT THOSE, ABOUT THAT TYPE OF THING FOR, YOU KNOW, A YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, I THINK IT HAS TO BE MORE REPETITIVE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT, THAT THIS, UH, VIRTUAL LEARNING PLATFORM, UH, WILL HELP US IN THAT AREA.
UM, AS FAR AS AS DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN SS A P D COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ORGANIZATIONS, WHAT COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER GROUPS ARE WE GOING TO TARGET AS PARTICIPANTS OF THE OUTREACH EFFORT? I THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A A A LIST COUNCILWOMAN.
I THINK WE, WE TARGET EVERYBODY.
AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN BRING IN, WE TARGET THEM.
I MEAN, THERE'S CERTAINLY ENOUGH, I MEAN, CAPTAINS, UH, HAVE A MONTHLY, UH, MEETING AT THEIR SUBSTATIONS WITH, UH, AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WANNA SHOW UP.
UH, WE'VE BEEN INCREASING OUR, UH, ZOOM MEETINGS AND OUR WEBEX, WEBEX MEETINGS WITH A, WITH A, AN INCREASING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UH, ON A, ON A, ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO I THINK WE BRING IN AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN BRING IN.
I, I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT.
UM, JUST, UH, UH, YOU MAY HAVE NOT HAD THE ANSWER TO THIS HANDY, BUT ON, ON SLIDE 20, YOU WENT OVER THE 9 1 1 DATA.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SAN ANTONIO'S 9 1 1 CALLS INVOLVE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT DATA HANDY? NOT, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER? NO, WE COULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE.
I WANNA TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK CITY STAFF FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE LISTENING SESSIONS THAT WE HAD AT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE COMMUNITY WHO TOOK THE TIME TO, UH, TO COME TO CHAMBERS OR CALL IN OR WRITE THEIR COMMENTS.
AND I'LL CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC DIALOGUE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED, THE BAR CHART WAS EYEOPENING.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK.
AND I APPRECIATE, UM, Y'ALL PUTTING THAT DATA TOGETHER, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONTINUE CONVERSATION.
UM, REGARDING THE PUBLIC COMMENT DATA, JUST QUICKLY, WHAT, HOW DO WE CONTROL FOR, UH, REDUNDANT OR DUPLICATIVE RESPONSES CA COUNCIL MEMBER? I THINK, UH, I, I KNOW WE, WE, WE LIST THOSE, UH, WE LIST THOSE, UH, COMMENTS OUT AND CATEGORIZE THEM.
AND I THINK AT, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE FAIRLY EASY TO SEPARATE THE REDUNDANT COMMENTS.
UH, COUNCILMAN IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION? COUNCILMAN
UM, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND LISTED EVERY SINGLE, UM, COMMENT THAT WAS, UM, PROVIDED BY, BY THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE COMMENTS THAT WERE SIMILAR IN NATURE.
UM, IF IT WITHIN THE SAME COMMENT THAT WAS A SUGGESTION, THAT WAS, UM, PERHAPS TWO OR THREE SUGGESTIONS ON THE SAME TOPIC WE ONLY LISTED AT ONCE.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU WENT WITH, UH, THE CHAIRWOMAN FIRST BECAUSE SHE WAS THE CHAIRWOMAN.
LET ME, UH, PULL UP MY, MY NOTES HERE.
WE'RE GOING, UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO ROTATE.
SO, UH, WE'LL GO SIX THROUGH 10, ONE THROUGH FIVE.
UM, FIRST I, I WANNA TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE RESOLUTION.
UM, I REQUESTED FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS A DELAY LAST JUNE, THE LAST MEETING IN JUNE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THAT DELAY.
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UM, THAT THE VERY ACTIVE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME FELT THAT THEY HAD, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.UH, SINCE THEN, I HAVE MET WITH THE ORGANIZATION, UH, WITH SOME OF THE ACTIVISTS THREE TIMES.
UM, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
UH, THEY HAVE GIVEN ME SOME SUGGESTIONS, WHICH I'VE SHARED WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, VERDA.
AND, UM, I WILL ASK ONE OF, UH, ABOUT ONE OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS DURING TODAY'S MEETING.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CIVILIAN ADVISORY, UH, REVIEW BOARD.
AND I, I WANT TO KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, I GUESS, WHAT ARE THE CONSTRAINTS AND CONFINES AROUND IT? IS IT, UH, REQUIRED BY LAW, OR IS IT BASICALLY THE C B A THAT, UH, THAT DICTATES ITS COMPOSITION AND ITS ROLE? IT'S, UH, C B A COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, SORRY, SORRY, I'M LOOKING FOR MY, MY QUESTION.
UM, SO WE CAN HAVE IN THE NEXT C B A, UH, WE CAN NOT HAVE THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, OR WE CAN HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMPOSITION FOR IT, RIGHT? IF, IF BOTH PARTIES APPROVE.
THE, THE COMPOSITION, THE RESPONSIBILITIES, THE EXISTENCE, ALL THAT IS GOVERNED BY C B A.
UM, I, THEY DID SUBMIT SOME, UH, A FEW ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, REFERENCES TO, UM, 1 43 AND 1 74, AND I'LL SHARE THOSE WITH, UH, WITH STAFF AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I DO WANNA THANK ALL OF THEM FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH ME.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT, UH, PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZERS, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS AND YOU DO THIS, UH, ON YOUR OWN TIME.
SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR TIME.
UM, UH, ANANDA, CELESTE, JOLENE, JORDAN, CAM, MARLON, OG, AND PHARAOH.
UM, I DO HAVE A, ANOTHER THING I DISCUSSED WITH THE ACTIVISTS WAS THE ROLE OF THE, UM, OF THE NEW COMMUNITY LIAISON THAT YOU'RE ADDING ON.
UM, CHIEF, YOU DESCRIBED A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT ROLE THIS INDIVIDUAL WOULD TAKE, UH, TARGETING, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE HIGH EQUITY, UH, INDEX AREAS.
UH, I THINK IT IS GREAT TO, TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT ONE PERSON DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD PLAY OUT? SURE.
UH, THE, THE, THE WAY WE ENVISION IT, AND THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE ACTUALLY A, UH, A, UH, SWORN PERSON WORKING WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL.
UM, Y'ALL MIGHT KNOW, UH, DOUG GREEN, UH, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, UH, SPOKEN WITH, WELL, WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH HIM ABOUT IT, SO, UH, BUT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED HIM AS, AS ONE OF THE MOST QUALIFIED FOLKS TO DO THAT.
BUT, UH, IT, SO THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE A DIRECT LINK WITH THE COMMUNITY, SOMEONE WHO'S ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHO'S WELL KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND THAT PERSON WOULD REPORT DIRECTLY BACK TO ME WITH THOSE ISSUES OF CONCERN AND BE ABLE TO BE A LINK BETWEEN ME AND THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT, UH, I MAY NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONTACT WITH AS FREQUENTLY AS I WOULD LIKE TO, OR AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO, BUT, BUT YOU WOULD ONLY NEED ONE PERSON TO DO ALL THAT.
I THINK RIGHT NOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE, WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
AND IF IT'S NOT ENOUGH, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS MOVE TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN THERE.
ANOTHER, AS MANY AS WE THINK IS, IS NECESSARY.
BUT, BUT THE, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT, UH, UM, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL I THINK WOULD FIT THIS BILL PERFECTLY.
UM, AND I, I, I, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, UM, WE'RE GOING IN THERE WITH A DEFICIT WITH ONLY ONE PERSON.
AND, UM, I'M SORRY, MY STAFF REMINDS ME THAT WE HAVE ALSO SHARED THE, THE COMMENTS ON THE RESOLUTION WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, SO WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE, THE BUDGET ITSELF, THE DOCUMENT, UH, EVERY PROGRAM HAS A TABLE IN IT, AND, UH, AND IT'S LABELED PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
AND WHEN I READ THOSE, I BELIEVE IT MEANS, UM, THAT THOSE NUMBERS HELP US BUDGET, THEY ANTICIPATE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, WHAT THE LOADS ARE GONNA BE, UM, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF, UH, DISCOURAGING IN TERMS OF GOALS OR, OR SOMETHING THAT WE ASPIRE TO.
SO I WONDER, IS THAT IN ANOTHER PART OF THE BUDGET? OR, OR WHERE IS THAT? SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WE'RE SHOOTING FOR A VIOLENT CRIME RATE OF 718 PER A HUNDRED THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
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YOU KNOW, WE'D WANNA SHOOT FOR ZERO.UM, BUT I, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE, UM, SOMETHING THAT TELLS US HOW WELL THE DEPARTMENT IS PERFORMING.
AND COUNCILMAN GONZALEZ BROUGHT THIS UP, UH, TOO, IS HOW, HOW DO WE TRACK WHAT WE'RE IMPROVING? SO, UH, ANOTHER SUGGESTION MIGHT BE, UH, THE PERCENTAGE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES THAT GET TURNED OVER TO THE DA OR THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES US TO, TO TURN THEM OVER.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY WOULD BE, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A SUGGESTION.
AND, UM, IF YOU COULD TELL ME HOW IS THAT CONSIDERED IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS, COUNCILMAN, IF I MAY.
UM, AND THEN THE CHIEF CAN ELABORATE.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED, AND I DON'T REMEMBER, WHICH WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE, THE METRICS THAT, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, EXPECTED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, UH, RESPONSE TIMES HOW QUICKLY WE CAN ADDRESS A CALL.
THAT WAS ONE OF OUR GOALS IN SA 2020.
AND THAT IS A METRIC THAT WE TRACK AND THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT SAID, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF THE EVOLUTION OF POLICE, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO OTHER METRICS.
THE DEPARTMENT KEEPS, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, UH, INFORMATION WE CAN, UM, BEGIN TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT PERHAPS IS BETTER INFORM SOME OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING IN SOME OF THE INVESTIGATIVE UNITS AND THE OUTCOMES OF SOME OF THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT THEY PERFORM.
UM, SO YOUR POINT AS WELL TAKEN COMES COUNCILWOMAN, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, UH, START DOING AND BRINGING SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, IF I HAVEN'T SAID IT ALREADY, I, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THIS PRESENTATION, THE THREE PART PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE GIVING US.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING SOME DETAILS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE.
AND OF COURSE, THE, THE TIMES TODAY CALL FOR THAT.
AND MANIA, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
UM, YOU SENT US A, A DOCUMENT WITH 169 PAGES
UH, SO I CAN, UH, I FEEL FOR YOU, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING IT.
UH, THAT'S WHY CHERYL CALLED YOU HER, HER M V P.
OH, WAS THAT YOU CHIEF? IS THAT WHY YOU'RE RAISING YOUR HAND? DID YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER? NO, I'M NOT THE M V P.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, UH, UH, ON THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
AND THAT, THAT'S BEEN A FRUSTRATION OF MINE FOR YEARS.
UH,
BUT, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES INVOLVED IN, IN SOME OF THE, THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE FOR OURSELVES AND THEY'RE NOT POSSIBLE TO CONTROL.
AND I THINK IT IS TIME, WELL, TIME THAT, THAT WE, WE LOOK AT OTHER PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN CONTROL AND, AND, AND THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO SO MANY VARIABLES.
UM, UM, I MEAN, THE QUESTION YOU ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHAT, OKAY, SO IF WE'RE TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO 700,000 VIOLENT CRIMES, YOU KNOW, IN A YEAR, HOW DO WE DO THAT? I MEAN, DO WE ARREST MORE PEOPLE? DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE STAY IN JAIL? UH, DO, DO WE, DO WE PATROL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN A MORE, IN A MORE AGGRESSIVE MANNER? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT COME TO MIND WHEN I SEE THOSE KINDS OF PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
BUT A, A, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I, THAT I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE MAY BE LOOKING AT, UH, DIFFERENT MEASURES THAT, THAT, THAT MAY BE MORE MEANINGFUL, NOT ONLY TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT TO US AS WELL.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR BACKING ME UP ON THAT ONE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, I, UH, I SUPPORT THE COUNCILWOMAN, UH, GABRIEL IS CALLED TO HAVE A, A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET, UH, AT OUR COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US.
UH, MARIA, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT TO, TO REVIEW.
I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ON THIS, ON THIS CALL.
ADRIANA'S LOOKING AT ME, WHO HAS ALREADY READ ALL 169 PAGES.
UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS, UH, BUT WOULD REALLY LIKE TO, TO SINK MY TEETH INTO IT.
AND THEN, UH, THE LAST THING IS WE REALLY APPRECIATE OUR SAFE OFFICERS.
I'VE ASKED, UH, MR. BARTOLD TO CONDUCT AN AUDIT OF HOW MUCH TIME THEY, UH, THEY SPEND DOING SAFE DUTIES AND HOW MUCH TIME THEY GET PULLED AWAY.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY REALLY, REALLY VALUES AND WANNA MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT WORK.
MY, I I REALLY DON'T HAVE MANY QUESTIONS.
I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE LAID OUT FOR US.
UM, I, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I, I'VE FREQUENTLY HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE JUST NEEDS TO NOT BE ON THE POLICE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIST OF POLICE DUTIES, UM, OR AREAS IN WHICH POLICE NEED TO PARTICIPATE.
AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU CHIEF, AND YOU, I MEAN, YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, RIGHT? AND I'M FREQUENTLY WRONG, BUT
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YOU, YOU TELL ME IF IN THIS CASE I AM TOO.UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS MUCH BETTER RESPONDED TO BY SOCIAL WORKERS INSTEAD OF POLICE.
I, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE TRUE, SO LONG AS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 9 1 1 CALLS.
I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN.
TH TH THERE'S TH THE, THE, THOSE CALLS ARE VERY VOLATILE, AS YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS REALLY, IT'S REALLY, UH, DIFFICULT TO TELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT SEEMS LIKE A POLICE OFFICER MAY NOT BE NEEDED THERE, UH, YOU WON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU GET ON THE SCENE.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UH, I, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT IS INVOLVED IN A 9 1 1 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALL.
THESE ARE OFFICERS WHO'VE BEEN CALLED, UH, BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS BEING VIOLENT.
THEY'VE GOT VERY LIMITED, VERY LIMITED INFORMATION ON WHAT IS WAITING FOR THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DOOR.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, QUITE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MAN, 'CAUSE IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS A MAN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DOOR IS, YOU KNOW, READY TO FIGHT ANYBODY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HE IS VERY DANGEROUS.
AND WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WE SAW LAST YEAR, 30 PLUS WOMEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MURDERED, UM, IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF SCENE THAT YOU SEND A SOCIAL WORKER INTO, UH, TO HANDLE.
AND SO, UM, I, I GET THE SENTIMENT, UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE LOTS OF SOCIAL WORKERS AND I, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT WE NEED MORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT OFF OF POLICE IS PLAYED THAT, THAT'S JUST NOT WISE.
SO, UH, THE OTHER THING I WANNA TELL YOU ALL IS THAT, UM, I THINK THERE'S A GENERAL MISUNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT ARBITRATION IS.
UM, ARBITRATION IS A TOOL USED AROUND THE PLANET TO RESOLVE DISPUTES IN A VERY EFFICIENT WAY.
UH, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH AN ARBITRATION PROCESS.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH ARBITRATION IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE RESULTS YOU GET ARE CONSISTENTLY TRUSTWORTHY.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET JUSTICE OUT OF THE PROCESS.
UM, I I, I THINK AFTER LOOKING AT THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GOT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, THAT ARBITRATION CLAUSE READS LIKE EVERY OTHER ARBITRATION CLAUSE I'VE EVER SEEN, AND I'VE SEEN THOUSANDS OF THEM IN PRIVATE CONTRACTS AND, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.
UM, SO I, I, I DON'T, UM, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ARBITRATION AS A TOOL, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARBITRATION'S ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR ARBITRATORS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING, ANDY, IF YOU'RE ON THE CALL OR LIZ, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, A, A PROBLEM.
AND THAT IS, AND MAYBE THE TALENT, THE BENCH OF TALENT AS FAR AS ARBITRATORS ARE CONCERNED, IS KIND OF SHALLOW.
AND, UH, MAYBE WE NEED TO, UH, WORK WITH THE AMERICAN ARBITRATION ASSOCIATION TO, UH, INCREASE, UH, THE NUMBER OF QUALIFIED ARBITRATORS FROM WHICH WE CAN ALL PICK.
LIZ, DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT? NO, COUNCILMAN.
UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT POINT, AND WE, WE DO AGREE AND AS YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE MADE EFFORTS TO, TO TRY TO INCREASE THAT POOL AND APPRECIATE FEEDBACK YOU HAVE AND OTHERS, UM, AND SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN, UM, EFFECTIVELY CONVEY TO AAA THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, A BROADER POOL.
AND, AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, LIZ, ON, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS, 'CAUSE I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A WAY OF US ENGAGING, UH, THE AAA, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THEIR, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK LEVEL TO REALLY EXPLAIN TO THEM SORT OF THE TROUBLE THAT WE'RE HAVING.
'CAUSE IF WE'RE HAVING IT, I'M, I GUARANTEE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE LARGE CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE HAVING IT TOO.
HAVE ARBITRATION CLAUSES AND, UM, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I COULD, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT FOR A SECOND.
SO, SO THE, THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH ARBITRATION IS THIS.
SO IN, IN, IN, I CAN'T REMEMBER ONE ARBITRATION ON ANY OF OUR DISCIPLINARY CASES WHERE THERE'S BEEN A FACT ISSUE AT HAND.
IT'S ALWAYS, IT ALWAYS BOILS DOWN TO THE SUBJECTIVE OPINION OF THE ARBITRATOR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT MCMANUS WAS TOO HARSH IN HIS DISCIPLINE.
AND, AND I JUST HAVE, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN DECIDING THAT, WELL, MCMANUS WAS TOO HARSH, I'M GONNA CHANGE IT TO 15 DAY SUSPENSION.
OR, OR, OR A FIVE DAY SUSPENSION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, BECAUSE I THINK HE'S A NICE GUY OR BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS OR THAT, BUT IT'S NEVER A FACT ISSUE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT SOMEONE WHO COMING IN HERE WHO DOESN'T KNOW THE CULTURE OF THE CITY, DOESN'T KNOW THE DEPARTMENT MAKES THAT, MAKES THAT DECISION AND DOESN'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT AND THEN FLIES OUT ON THE NEXT PLANE.
I JUST HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT CHIEF AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT TOO.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S LESS THE PRODUCT OF ARBITRATION.
I THINK THAT'S MORE THE PRODUCT OF WHAT OUR ARBITRATION CLAUSE SAYS ARE THE LIMITS RIGHT.
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UM, THE ARBITRATOR'S AUTHORITY, UM, AND WHAT THEY MAY AND MAY NOT CONSIDER.UM, AND IF I WAS IN YOUR SHOES TOO, I'D, I'D, I'D HATE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, A THIRD PARTY, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA COME AND, UH, COUNTERMAN WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE ORDERED 'CAUSE YOU'RE THE CLOSEST TO THE PROBLEM.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BUCK STOPS WITH YOU AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MANAGEMENT OF YOUR OFFICERS.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION THAT'S NOT LOST ON ME.
AND THESE, AND THESE ARE, I'M FRUSTRATED FOR YOU ALSO.
AND, AND, AND, AND WHEN I INDEFINITELY SUSPEND SOMEONE, YEAH, IT'S TYPICALLY THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD.
BUT MOST OFTEN IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD.
SO NOT ONLY IS HE IGNORING THE RECOMMENDATION OF, OF CITIZENS AND SWORN OFFICERS, UH, REC, UH, HE IS IGNORING, YOU KNOW, MY DECISION AS WELL.
WELL, ANYWAY, LOOK, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA DISAGREE WHETHER OR NOT ARBITRATION IS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS T EFFECTIVE, THEY WOULDN'T USE IT ALL OVER THE PLANET IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY, RIGHT.
IT'S JUST A, A MATTER OF, UM, OF GETTING US, UM, IN A PLACE WHERE YOU CHIEF AND YOU, ERIC, AND, AND ALL OF CITY COUNCIL ARE COMFORTABLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS IS FAIR, NOT JUST TO THE OFFICER, BUT FAIR TO US TOO.
AND UP UNTIL NOW, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS HAVE EVER, IN THE THREE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN UP HERE ON THIS DIOCESE, HAVE EVER EXPRESSED THAT YOU THINK THE PROCESS IS FAIR TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, OR ITS, ITS TAXPAYERS.
AND SO, UH, I MEAN, I, I INTEND TO, TO DIVE DOWN INTO, UH, TO THAT A A LITTLE DEEPER AND, UH, COUNCILWOMAN HO TO, UH, COUNT ME IN AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
MA, MAYOR, CAN I, CAN I ADD ONE PIECE JUST TO, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON? SURE.
HONOR, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL PLIE, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ARBITRATION PROCESS WAS SPOT ON MEAN.
THEN YOU, AND THIS IS YOUR BUSINESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS, YOU, YOU'VE GOT AN EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA, AND THE, AND THE, THE RESOLUTION IS EXPRESSLY, UM, IS, IS ASKING FOR THE ROLE OF, IS ASKING FOR THE POLICE CHIEF, UM, AND OR THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE A ROLE IN THAT FINAL DISCIPLINE.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO AN APPEAL, RIGHT? NORMALLY, AND EVEN EVEN REGULAR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE COVERED UNDER MUNICIPAL CIVIL SERVICE CAN APPEAL THEIR DISCIPLINE OR TERMINATION TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION.
BUT IN THOSE CASES, THAT APPEAL AND FINAL DECISION COMES BACK TO THE MANAGER FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
AND SO, BEYOND CHIEF MCMANUS OR BEYOND ERIC WALSH, THE CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE IN TERMS OF, OF THE DISCIPLINE, THEN, THEN I, I, I STRONGLY FEEL THAT THE MANAGER AND OR THE CHIEF NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UM, STAKE IN THAT.
AND, AND, AND THAT LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT DOES NOW.
BUT THERE ARE SYSTEMS OUT THERE THAT I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, AND, AND, AND SHOULD LOOK AT.
UM, YOU, YOU GUYS, I REPORT TO YOU GUYS.
AND IF, AND, AND ULTIMATELY IF I'M GONNA BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, THEN I WANT, I I WANT TO, I WANT TO HAVE A, I WANT TO HAVE A, UH, I WANNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY IN THAT SYSTEM.
AND EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING YOU'RE LAYING OUT, ERIC, I, I THINK IS, IT GOES BACK AGAIN TO, IT'S WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THAT ARBITRATION CLAUSE, RIGHT? IT'S, UH, THESE ARE THE RULES.
THIS IS WHOSE OPINION WEIGHS MORE.
THIS IS WHAT WILL BE CONSIDERED, THIS IS WHAT WON'T BE CONSIDERED.
THESE ARE THE RULES OF EVIDENCE, RIGHT? UH, THESE ARE THE PROCEDURES.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS WHAT THE DECISION CAN AND CANNOT, YOU KNOW, OR THE, THE AWARD OR THE ARBITRATOR CAN AND CANNOT, YOU KNOW, DO.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE CLEARLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO AND POLL MOST OF THE PUBLIC, THEY'LL TELL YOU, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ARBITRATION THING IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY AND IT'S, IT'S BROKEN.
RIGHT? UM, AND SO I, I MEAN, THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
AND, AND I, I, I'M OUT OF TIME, BUT I, I WILL, YOU KNOW, ADD THIS, THIS CAVEAT AND THAT IS, THIS PROBLEM OF POLICING IN AMERICA IS SO MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST WHAT TO DO WHEN A COP, YOU KNOW, UM, GETS FIRED AND HOW TO APPEAL IT, RIGHT? THIS HAS TO DO WITH EVERYTHING FROM THE MOMENT, YOU KNOW, WE IDENTIFY CANDIDATES TO THE FILTER, WE PUT THEM THROUGH TO TRAINING AT THE FRONT END, TRAINING THROUGHOUT THEIR CAREER, TRAINING ON THE BACK, RIGHT? UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PSYCHOLOGICAL, UH, CHECK-INS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WITH HOW THINGS ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THEIR EARS AND THEIR HEARTS, RIGHT? AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A SAY IN, IN HOW THEY'RE POLICED.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, I RECOGNIZE THAT ARBITRATION ISN'T THE END TO THIS CONVERSATION.
AND, UH, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO IT.
AND COUNCILMAN, JUST, IF I MAY, UH, I, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO AN APPEAL PROCESS.
THIS IS THE CURRENT PROCESS THAT, THAT BOTHERS ME.
COUNCIL MEMBER
WE JUST RECEIVED, UH, INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR BUDGET.
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LOOKING AT THAT, UH, I, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, UH, RELATED TO THE CHART THAT WAS UP A FEW MINUTES AGO, TALKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT RESPONSES THAT, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAKES.COULD WE BRING THAT BACK UP? I THINK IT SHOWED ABOUT A DOZEN DIFFERENT THINGS THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT ARE MAYBE OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT THE POLICE TO DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE A LOT OF THE RESPONSES THAT OFFICERS ARE MAKING NOW.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK MOST OF US WOULD AGREE THAT, UH, IF A POLICE OFFICER SHOWED UP AT OUR DOOR, WE COULD PROBABLY SAY, OH, YES, SIR.
UH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, HOW CAN I HELP YOU? UH, BUT THEN AGAIN, THERE'S MANY PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHERE A POLICE OFFICER SHOWS UP AT THE DOOR IN UNIFORM, OR TWO OR THREE, UH, AND, UH, PEOPLE BECOME VERY APPREHENSIVE AND THEY BECOME VERY CONCERNED AND FEARFUL.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT POLICE OFFICERS GO OUT TO, AND WHO ELSE COULD GO OUT AND RESPOND TO THESE THINGS OTHER THAN A UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICER WITH A GUN? AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS WE TALK ABOUT, UH, HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CALLED UPON TO RESPOND TO THINGS ON A DAILY BASIS.
I KNOW MANY OF THESE THINGS COME OUT, UH, BECAUSE, UH, 9 1 1 CALLS AND NOT EVERY NINE ONE ONE CALL IS THE KIND OF AN EMERGENCY THAT, UH, WE THINK IT SHOULD BE.
UH, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, FROM THE CHIEF, UM, HOW IS IT BROKEN DOWN TO DETERMINE WHICH CALLS GET POLICE, WHICH CALLS GET, UH, FIRE, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE WHO COULD BE RESPONDING TO THESE CALLS WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE 9 1 1 DISPATCHERS COUNSEL, COUNCILMAN, WE RESPOND TO JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE CALLED FOR.
UM, WE HAVE CALL CLASSIFICATIONS, CALL TYPE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR ALL THESE CALLS.
UM, BUT, BUT BECAUSE, NOT, BUT, BUT SINCE WE'RE A 24 7 FULL SERVICE AGENCY, WE GET THE CALL.
AND BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TO, TO PRESS THREE BUTTONS ON THE PHONE, WHETHER IT'S AN EMERGENCY OR NOT, WE'RE GONNA GET THE CALL AND WE'RE GONNA RESPOND.
YEARS AGO, WE TRIED TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE CALLS, UM, FROM RESPONDING TO SOME OF THESE CALLS.
AND OVER TIME, WE JUST KIND OF MORPHED BACK INTO IT BECAUSE THE CITIZEN MAY DEMAND, UH, A RESPONSE AND MAY COMPLAINT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE.
SO WE, WE KIND OF JUST SLIPPED BACK INTO TO THE ROUTINE THING THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE, WHICH IS GO TO EVERY CALL.
IS THERE A S A P D MEMBER WHO SUPERVISES 9 1 1? THERE'S A, A NON-SWORN, UH, S A P D MEMBER THAT SUPERVISES 9 1 1, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, PERSON REPORTS TO DEPUTY CHIEF, UH, BOB BLANTON IN MY OFFICE.
SO, DO THEY HAVE ANY PREROGATIVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE SENT OVER TO THIS INSTEAD OF SS A P D OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THEY, SOMEBODY'S AVAILABLE.
THEY WILL, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE'S AVAILABLE, THEY WILL.
UH, BUT, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S ONE OF OUR CALL TYPES, THEN WE'RE GONNA DISPATCH IT OR, OR FLIP IT OVER TO A, UH, TO A, TO A REPORT WRITER OR AN EXPEDITER, UH, TO MAKE A REPORT.
I WAS GONNA ADD, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SLIDE, UH, ANIMAL RELATED CALLS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD, COULD WE HAVE, UH, A C S RESPOND TO THOSE? UH, MAYBE, MAYBE SO, UH, WE'RE NOT STRUCTURED LIKE THAT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK IS WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, UH, UH, RESPONSE, UH, UNITS OR ORGANIZATIONS OR DEPARTMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE A C S OFFICERS ON 24 7.
SO IF WE, IF, IF THAT WAS AN AREA THAT WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU CALL 9 1 1 OR TWO OH SEVEN SS A P D, UH, BECAUSE OF A BARKING DOG OR ANIMAL RELATED, WE'RE ONLY GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEND S A P D, WE'RE GONNA SEND AN A C S OFFICER, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD STAFFING AVAILABLE OVERNIGHT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY.
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UM, AND I THINK WE'D HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THESE, THE, THE ONES THAT I'M MOST INTERESTED IN THAT I THINK PROBABLY, PROBABLY WEIGH MORE INTO THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY'S TALKING ABOUT ARE THE MENTAL HEALTH, THE PANHANDLER, THE HOMELESS, UH, ANIMAL RELATED, UM, CALLS THAT, THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE.I MEAN, IT COULD BE IT, SOME OF THEM COULD BE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS WE NEED TO GO THROUGH.
I, AND I HOPE WE DO GO THROUGH THAT SOME MORE.
UM, LET ME ASK, UH, AS FAR AS THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, UM, HOW LONG DO MEMBERS SERVE ON THAT? THEY SERVE FOR TWO YEARS, UH, SIX MONTHS AT A SIX MONTH PERIOD AT A TIME.
UH, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY KIND OF DIRECT CONTACT WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF S A P O A OUTSIDE OF BEING ON THE BOARD? NO.
EVERYTHING THAT, EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE IN THERE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER IS CONFIDENTIAL.
UH, AND LOOKING AT, UH, THE BUDGET, THERE WERE SOME, UH, THINGS I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, SOMEWHAT RELATED TO, UH, THINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, PERSONAL LEAVE.
UH, WE'VE GOT SCHEDULED IN, UH, IN YOUR BUDGET, UH, PERSONALLY BUYBACK, UH, AND IT, IT MADE ME COME TO THINK ABOUT, UH, THE STRESS THE POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH IS, IS TREMENDOUS AND IT'S CONSTANT.
AND, UM, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO DON'T TAKE THEIR LEAVE AND THEY WANNA SELL IT BACK, UH, AT THE END OF THE YEAR OR WHEN THEY RETIRE.
BUT I WONDER IF WE'RE NOT, NOT SERVING OUR POLICE OFFICERS BETTER BY REQUIRING TO TAKE PERSONAL LEAVE DURING THE YEAR.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT.
YOU KNOW, MANY COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD LITERALLY FORCE THEIR EMPLOYEES TO TAKE THEIR PERSONAL, LEAVE THEIR VACATION TIME AS A WAY OF HELPING THEM UNWIND AND, YOU KNOW, COME BACK TO TERMS WITH THE REGULAR LIVES THAT THEY HAVE WITH THEIR FAMILIES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ATTEND TO OTHER ISSUES IN THEIR LIVES.
AND, UM, I'M WONDERING IF WE EVALUATE THE AMOUNT OF PERSONAL LEAVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE TAKING, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT $475,000 IN OUR BUDGET, UH, FOR PAYING PEOPLE PERSONALLY.
HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE OR ENSURE THAT OUR SS A P D OFFICERS ARE REALLY TAKING THE TIME OFF THEY NEED TO, TO BE IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND TO DO THEIR WORK.
WE, WE DON'T ENSURE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, THAT THAT'S PROB THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A, UH, AN ISSUE FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
UH, WE DO HAVE A, A TEAM OF PSYCHOLOGISTS ON THE, ON THE DEPARTMENT WHERE IF THE SUPERVISOR SEES THAT AN OFFICER IS UNDER STRESS OR THEY'RE ACTING DIFFERENTLY, OR NOT SHOWING UP FOR WORK ON TIME, UH, THEY CAN BE REFERRED.
THEY COULD BE, UH, IT COULD BE MANDATORY THAT THEY'RE REFERRED TO SEE THAT PSYCHOLOGIST, OR THEY CAN BE PUT INTO AN OFFICER CONCERN PROGRAM WHERE THEY WOULD BE SENT TO A PSYCHOLOGIST TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND IF THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT MIGHT HELP THEM.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS PROGRAM TO, UH, UH, SEEING A COUNSELOR ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
NO, I CAN UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THAT'S VERY OBVIOUS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE PRESSURES PEOPLE FEEL IS NOT VERY OBVIOUS.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE NOT ENABLING PEOPLE TO ALLOW THOSE PRESSURES TO BUILD UP AND BE KIND OF A CONSTANT NAG ON, ON THEIR PERSONALITY OR ON THEIR VIEW OF THINGS WHEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THEM TAKE THAT TIME TO RELIEVE THEIR STRESS AND TAKE TIME OFF.
SO I'D LIKE US TO, TO CONSIDER THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE AS A POINT IN OUR NEGOTIATION, BUT CERTAINLY AS A CONSIDERATION IN, UM, IN HOW WE, UH, MANAGE THE WELLBEING, UH, AND THE PROPER MENTAL ATTITUDE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
UH, AND I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MARIA, OR SEE IF YOU MAY KNOW THIS.
I, I THINK I SEE WE HAVE FUNDING OF $15 MILLION FOR OVERTIME SALARIES, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE REDUCING OVERTIME.
CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? SURE.
UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, THIS IS MARIA.
SO, YES, THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR OVERTIME IS $15.7 MILLION, AND THAT IS $3.4 MILLION LOWER THAN WHAT WE WERE IN FISCAL YEAR 2020.
AND, UH, YOU MAY RECALL IN THE TWO YEAR BUDGET, WE ARE LOOKING AT REDUCING AN ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION.
AND, UH, AND OVER TIME IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW FOR POTENTIAL DECREASES.
THERE ARE SOME, UM, REQUIREMENTS,
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THE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO PAY OVERTIME.UM, BUT WE CAN HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION OR MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION ON OVERTIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, I, I JUST WANNA SAY, I, I LOOKED AT THAT NUMBER AND I SAW AN ALMOST 15 MILLION WITHIN, UH, WITHIN OUR S A P O E AGREEMENT, BUT THERE'S 15.7 MILLION, ALMOST 15.8.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ABOUT 800,000 MORE.
THAT'S CALLED FOR IN THE CONTRACT IN THE WAY OF OVERTIME.
SO IF YOU COULD BREAK THAT DOWN FOR ME AND, AND LET ME KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, AND OTHERS COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS BUDGET A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY IN OUR, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
I, I HAD TO TAKE A CALL FROM MY DOCTOR JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR, UM, GETTING OFF THE PHONE.
YOU DON'T MISS A CALL FROM YOUR DOCTOR NOWADAYS, 'CAUSE YOU'D NEVER GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM AGAIN.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, CHIEF GOT A FEW, UH, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR PUTTING THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER AND, AND, UM, I, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CONCERNED, UH, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME, UH, UH, RATIONALE OR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE ABOUT THE RISE IN VIOLENT CRIME HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND I, I JUST WANT TO, UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO ALL THAT TODAY, BUT THAT RAISES MY EYEBROWS.
AND I'M CERTAINLY, I'M CERTAIN WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
BUT, UH, UM, I, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE RISE IN VIOLENT CRIME.
IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE REDUCTIONS IN, IN THE OTHER AREAS, WHICH I, I THINK IS FANTASTIC.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THIS, WE'VE BEEN GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON INCREASING THE NUMBERS OF TOTAL POLICE HERE IN TOWN.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF THAT, BUT WE DON'T SEE THAT IN THE VIOLENT CRIME, UH, SITUATION.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN THE, IN THE FUTURE ON THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
BUT, UH, TO COUNCILWOMAN, UH, SANDOVAL'S POINTS ABOUT METRICS, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALL ABOUT METRICS AND, UH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
I KNOW WE'VE SHOWN PER CAPITA, PER CAPITA NUMBER OF POLICEMEN, UM, COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN CORRELATION.
I KNOW YOU, WE GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION EVERY TIME ABOUT COMPARING CRIME STATISTICS BETWEEN EACH CITY, BUT AT THAT HIGHER LEVEL, THE F B I REPORTS OR WHATEVER IT IS, WHERE WE CAN, UH, GET TO SOME SIMILAR, UH, DATA BETWEEN THE CITIES AND COMPARING THE, THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF POLICEMEN VERSUS WHAT THE CRIME LEVELS ARE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT, IT GOES HAND IN HAND.
YOU KNOW, THE MORE PRESENCE YOU HAVE IN THE FIELD, THE LESS CRIME YOU'RE GONNA GONNA HAVE.
IT'S MORE PREVENTION THAN RESPONDING.
SO, UM, I, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFE OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE, UM, AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING ON A DAILY BASIS OUT THERE.
IN FACT, WE HAD A GREAT, GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE COMMUNITY WORKING WITH, UH, UH, ONE OF OUR SAFE OFFICERS HERE.
WE HAD AN, AN INDIVIDUAL TERRORIZING SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS BY JUST RANDOMLY SHOOTING A GUN AT ALL TIMES DURING THE NIGHT.
AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE SAFE OFFICER, WE WERE A ABLE TO, UM, STOP THAT TERRORISM IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL WE GOT, WE CAUGHT HIM.
SO, UH, WITH HOW OUR SAFE PROGRAM WORKS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, CHIEF ON, SO WITH THE, WITH THE METRICS IN THE FUTURE, I, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT AND SHOW SOME MEANINGFUL DATA ON THERE AND, AND, UH, AGAIN, SHOW THOSE CORRELATIONS BETWEEN, TO ME, THE NUMBERS OF POLICEMEN VERSUS THE, THE CRIME STATISTICS THAT, THAT ARE OUT THERE.
ON SLIDE NUMBER 20, I DON'T SEE A SLIDE NUMBER.
20 CALLS FOR SERVICE, UH, UH, SLIDE COUNCILMAN.
THAT, AND, AND I SEE A BIG DECREASE, THE 2020 NUMBERS.
IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FINISHED, FINISHED THE YEAR, BUT EVEN IF WE DO FINISH THE YEAR, I DON'T SEE US GETTING, UM, WELL, I, I DON'T SEE US, I GUESS THE 2020 MARK THERE, IS THAT WHERE IT IS TODAY? AND THEN THIS IS WHAT, AND CHECK TO 2020 AT THE
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END OF SEPTEMBER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MANY MORE CALLS ALMOST.NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CALENDAR YEAR.
AND, AND THAT IS, THAT'S YEAR TO DATE, 2020, THE LOWER NUMBERS AND THE 1.3 IS THE PROJECTED END OF THE YEAR.
AND THEN THE NEXT, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF, THE NEXT SLIDE 21.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS INTERESTING, UH, ON SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY QUESTIONABLE.
AND, AND I GUESS, ERIC, WE'LL, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS IN THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE OTHER OPTION OTHER THAN 9 1 1? ARE WE, UH, SAYING THAT 9 1 1 WOULD REFER THESE TO 3 1 1, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE Y'ALL KIND OF THINKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR VISION? WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS MY VISION THAT I, THAT I LAID OUT LAST WEEK IS THAT, IS THAT AS, AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE ROLE OF THE POLICE OFFICER IS GONNA BE AND, AND IS THE ROLE OF A POLICE OFFICER GONNA BE TO RESPOND TO, UM, EVERY TYPE OF 9 1 1 CALL? YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH, UH, WHAT TYPE OF ENCOUNTERS WE WANT TO PUT POLICE OFFICERS IN OR THE PUBLIC IN.
UM, AND, AND, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS, ALL THIS RESTS UPON A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS ENCOUNTERS WITH POLICE.
AND, AND, AND THE ISSUE, I THINK BEFORE US, UH, AND, AND BEFORE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY IS, UH, THERE IS AN OPINION THAT, THAT NOT EVERY CALL OR, OR, UH, SITUATION REQUIRES AN ENCOUNTER WITH POLICE.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHERS THAT BELIEVE THAT THOSE ENCOUNTERS DO NEED TO OCCUR WITH POLICE.
AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK THAT'S HELL OUT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING WE NEED TO DO FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO REALLY FRAME THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE POLICE GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WE KNOW WE NEED TO MAKE FOUNDATIONAL CHANGES, THE HIRING, THE TRAIN TRAINING, UH, THE, UH, C B A STUFF.
BUT, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE ANY CHANGES IN HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR ROLE IN THE FUTURE, A LOT OF IT RESTS.
THE MAJORITY OF IT RESTS ON WHAT TYPE OF ENCOUNTERS WE WANT OFFICERS TO HAVE AND WHAT TYPE OF ENCOUNTERS THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WHAT, WHAT THE OPTIONS AND, UM, ARE FOR US.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT, CHIEF, FOR OUR TOTAL NUMBERS AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOWED THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OVER WHAT OUR AUTHORIZATIONS, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT, WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT DELTA THERE OF THE, THE, THE, THE STUDENTS THAT HAVE JUST GRADUATED, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A, THEY'VE GOT A QUITE A WAYS TO GO YET, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE GRADUATED FROM THE ACADEMY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE RIDING ALONG WITH OTHER OFFICERS FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME BEFORE THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN.
SO THAT, THAT SLIVER IS ALWAYS, UM, TO ME, IS ALWAYS A QUESTION MARK BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN DOING THE PATROLS LIKE A NORMAL, UH, NOT NORMAL, BUT LIKE A FULL, FULL FLEDGED OFFICER OUT THERE IN THE FIELD.
SO I'M, I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
AND, AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT TWO CLASSES THIS NEXT YEAR, THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR IN TOTAL.
UM, AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I SIT ON THE FIRE AND POLICE PENSION FUND, AND WE'VE SEEN A RISE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRING.
AND THE THING THAT ALARMED US EVEN MORE WAS THAT JUST IN, UH, I FORGET THE TIME.
I THINK IT WAS WITHIN, JUST WITHIN ONE MONTH, WE HAD, UH, 10 RESIGNATIONS FROM THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND IN THE PAST, THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED BEFORE IN THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS.
SO, UH, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, A LARGER INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRING, UH, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE, WE GOTTA A, A PRETTY OLD FORCE AND THEN A YOUNGER FORCE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT IN BETWEEN.
UH, IT'S, HE WEIGHTED HEAVILY ON THE OLDER FOLKS AND ON THE YOUNGER FOLKS.
SO THE OLDER FOLKS ARE, ARE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON NOWADAYS, AND THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, I THINK I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND RETIRE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE SOMETHING THAT REALLY RAISED OUR EYEBROWS ON THE PEOPLE THAT WERE QUITTING EARLY.
WE HAD ONE OF 'EM QUIT WITH LESS THAN A YEAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I, I HOPE THAT WE DO SOME OUT BRIEFING OF THESE FOLKS.
I DON'T KNOW, DO Y'ALL DO THAT ON PEOPLE THAT RESIGNED? DO YOU BRING 'EM INTO THE OFFICE AND GIVE A DEBRIEF ON WHY THEY'RE GETTING OUT? WELL, WE TYPICALLY KNOW WHY THEY'RE GETTING OUT, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T NECESSARILY BRING THEM IN.
BUT THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE.
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RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THERE WERE TWO OFFICERS WHO RECENTLY RETIRED BECAUSE THEIR WIVES GOT JOBS IN OTHER CITIES.UH, ONE, ONE OF THEM WAS A DOCTOR, AND SHE GOT ASSIGNED UP TO HOUSTON AS A RESIDENT.
AND, BUT, BUT WE'RE MONITORING THAT AND, AND WE, WE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO IT TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE POTENTIALLY RETIRING.
AND YOU, AND YOU'RE RIGHT THERE, 10 DURING THAT ONE MONTH WAS A LOT.
BUT, BUT IT WAS AN ANOMALY, I THINK, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
WELL, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT'S GONNA BE AN ANOMALY FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, BUT I, I, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET IN THIS SAME SITUATION THAT WE WERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHERE WE STOPPED HAVING CLASSES AND WE BUILT THIS HUGE DELTA THAT IT'S TAKEN US OVER THREE YEARS TO REDUCE AND GET OUT OF THAT DELTA ON A NUMBER OF OFFICERS ASSIGNED VERSUS, UH, UH, WHAT'S AUTHORIZED.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA BE WATCHING THAT LIKE A HAWK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING BELOW THAT AUTHORIZATION NUMBER AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE PER CAPITA OF THE, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PER CAPITA NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE'RE IN LINE ON OUR BENCHMARKING METHODS ALSO.
UM, AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CAVEO HARE FOR, UH, YOUR HARD WORK ON THE LISTENING SESSIONS.
UH, I'M ALSO HOPEFUL THAT THE, UH, CULTURAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COMMITTEE CAN ALSO HEAR THE REPORT ON THE NON-EMERGENCY CALLS FOR SERVICE TO SEE HOW WE CAN BETTER ALIGN OUR RESOURCES WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND PARTNERS.
UM, THE GRASSROOTS EFFORT TO REPEAL, UH, CHAPTERS 1 43 AND 1 7 7 HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE.
UH, GROUPS HAVE EVEN HELD TRAININGS WITH ONE ANOTHER TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
COULD OUR CITY ATTORNEY OR CITY MANAGER, UH, MEET WITH PETITION LEADERS SO THAT EACH SIDE HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS AND TIMELINE? AND CAN WE MAKE THE C B A NEGOTIATION CALENDAR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, INCLUDING TEXT TO SIGNUP ALERTS? I CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, COUNCILMAN, UM, UH, WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE IS SOME, UH, GRASSROOTS ACTIVITY OUT THERE.
UH, ALTHOUGH GIVEN OUR ROLE UNDER THE CHARTER, UH, WE PROVIDE LEGAL ADVICE TO THE COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF.
UH, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO PROVIDE THEM LEGAL ADVICE IN TERMS OF THE PETITION, BUT THERE'S, UH, PLENTY OF OTHER, UH, PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE, UH, THAT THEY CAN GO TO AND, AND GET THAT, GET THAT, UH, ADVICE THEY NEED.
AND, AND, BUT I'LL JUST ADD THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IF THERE ARE GROUPS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR DATA AND INFORMATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT JUST LIKE WE WOULD, UH, FOR ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKING FOR, FOR JUST THE, THAT INFORMATION.
I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT ASKING FOR, FOR, UH, LEGAL ADVICE.
I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING IF YOU CAN MEET.
SO I THINK, UH, THAT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, UH, IS, IS TO HELP PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.
UM, I I AND SINCE ANDY, UH, YOU WERE JUST TALKING, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE EVERGREEN CLAUSE? SHOULD, UH, 1 71 74 BE, UH, REPEALED OR ELIMINATED? UM, THE WAY WE AGREED, THE EVERGREEN CLAUSE, COUNCILMAN, IS THAT THE EVERGREEN CLAUSE IS THERE TO FACILITATE THE, UH, NEGOTIATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEW C B A.
UM, SO IF THEY ARE ELIMINATED THAT, THAT CLAUSE, ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE REASON IT EXISTS GOES AWAY.
UH, SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE.
UH, WHAT ROLE WOULD THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PLAY IN DECISIONS PERTAINING TO MOVING, UH, POLICE TO A MUNICIPAL CITY SERVICE AND CHANGING THE PETITION PROCESS TO INCLUDE ONLINE PETITIONING, WHICH IS SAFER IN THIS DAY AND AGE? WHAT WOULD A SPECIAL SEPARATE CHARTER COMMISSION NEED TO BE CONVENED? SO, COUNCILMAN, I THINK YOU, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT TWO THINGS.
ONE, UH, I THINK THE FIRST PART WAS, WAS POLICE UNDER CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION.
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A CHARTER ISSUE.
THERE MAY BE AN INTERPRETATION, BUT, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN, ANDY, YOU MIGHT WANT ANSWER THE SECOND PART, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S MORE LEGAL ISSUE.
UH, COUNCIL MAY, IF YOU COULD RE REPEAT WHAT WAS, UH, THE SECOND PART OF THAT? UH, THE SECOND PART WAS, WOULD A SPECIAL SEPARATE CHARTER COMMISSION NEED TO BE CONVENED? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A, IF, IF THERE'S A SPECIAL ONE, BUT I, I KNOW THAT THE,
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UH, MAYOR AT THE, UH, APPROPRIATE TIME CONVENED THE, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.AND, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WHEN, WHENEVER THAT GROUP GETS TOGETHER, UH, THEY'LL TAKE A LOOK AT EITHER AT, YOU KNOW, HOLISTIC, UH, OR A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE CHARTER, OR IF THERE'S SPECIFIC ONES WE WANT TO ADDRESS SOONER, UH, THAT CAN BE DONE AS WELL.
BUT AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIMITATIONS AS TO WHEN WE CAN REVISE THE CHARTER, UM, AND, UH, SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
UH, ARE THERE LIMITATIONS AS TO WHO CAN BE AT THE TABLE WHEN A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT IS BEING NEGOTIATED? UH, WELL AT, AT THE TABLE, UH, WHEN, WHEN, UH, UNDER CHAPTER 1 74, THOSE ARE OPEN MEETINGS.
THEY NEED TO BE POSTED 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEETINGS OR, OR, UH, COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
SO, UH, POSTING IS MADE PUBLICLY, ANYBODY IS AVAILABLE TO SIT IN THAT ROOM AND WATCH THE PROCEEDINGS.
WHO SITS AT THE TABLE, UH, IS, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY, UH, TO NEGOTIATE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AGAINST THE ASSOCIATION.
AND, AND USUALLY THAT IS MADE UP OF EITHER, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, THE FIRST ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, OUTSIDE COUNSEL, IF WE USE THEM, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, HR, UH, AND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
UH, DOES, DOES THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD HAVE POWER TO SUBPOENA WITNESSES, TAKE, UH, SWORN TESTIMONY AND HIRE A PROFESSIONAL INVESTIGATOR? UH, DALLAS'S BOARD HAS THOSE POWERS AND, AND SEEM, UH, TO BE BETTER EQUIPPED TO ENSURE COMPLAINTS ARE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED.
WHAT STEPS WOULD WE NEED TO TAKE TO PROVIDE THE REVIEW BOARD WITH THOSE POWERS? UH, UH, I'LL ANSWER THAT ONE AGAIN.
SO, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, CARB AND THE, THE CITIZEN, THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT DOES NOT HAVE SUBPOENA ABILITY.
UM, UM, UM, AND, AND THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, IS WHAT, THE DALLAS EXAMPLE? YEAH.
WHAT'S, WHAT STEPS WOULD, WOULD WE NEED TO TAKE TO PROVIDE THE REVIEW BOARD, UH, WITH THOSE POWERS? IT WOULD NEED TO BE NEGOTIATED IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
DALLAS DOES NOT, IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHAPTER 1 74 OR CHAPTER 1 43.
THEY'RE SUBJECT TO MEET AND CONFER AND, UH, AND THEREFORE, UH, MANAGEMENT IN DALLAS HAS THE ABILITY TO INSTITUTE CHANGES WITHOUT NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, AND REGARDING THE RESOLUTION, UH, DOES WHAT PART OF THE RESOLUTION INCLUDE SPECIFIC LA LANGUAGE FOR INDIVIDUAL OFFICER? UH, ACCOUNTABILITY IN INDIVIDUAL OFFICER ACCOUNTABILITY? YES.
UH, WELL, THE, THE, UH, THE RESOLUTION IS, IS MORE GEARED TOWARDS THE, UH, MANAGEMENT'S POSITION, UH, IN THE CITY'S POSITION IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE AN OFFICER'S PAST DISCIPLINE, UH, FOR, UH, FOR FUTURE DISCIPLINARY CONSIDERATIONS, UH, AND THE ABILITY TO, UM, UM, UH, PROCEED WITH THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS OR, OR STIPULATIONS THAT, THAT, UM, UM, MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE COMPLICATED.
THAT THERE AREN'T ANY, AT LEAST IN THE RESOLUTION NOW, UNLESS YOU'RE SUGGESTING SOME LANGUAGE, UH, THAT, THAT HOLD, UH, INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE WITHIN THAT, UM, RESOLUTION.
WELL, I THINK ALSO I MAY ADD THE, THE RESOLUTION SPEAKS TO THE C V A WITH REGARD TO DISCIPLINE, TO THE EXTENT THAT DISCIPLINE FROM AN INDIVIDUAL OFFICER STANDPOINT BECOMES A MOOT POINT IF THE CHIEF HAS NON-BINDING.
I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT DISCIP AUTHORITY.
I, I, I TALK ABOUT RECKLESS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT PUT US ON ALERT.
I THINK, UH, DAVID, I THINK YOU'RE UNMUTED.
WELL, I, I THINK, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN, WAS THAT FOR ME? UH, COUNCILMAN VINNO? NO, SIR.
I THINK YOUR MIC WAS, WAS HOT.
JUST, UH, I APPRECIATE IT THOUGH.
UH, THE, THE, THE PO THE, THE QUESTION WAS TO, TO SEE IF WE COULD ADDRESS THAT, UH, IN THE RESOLUTION SOMEHOW.
I, I'LL END WITH, UH, AGAIN, UH, SLIDE 21.
UH, IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP AND I'LL JUST, I GUESS I'LL START TALKING.
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THERE YOU GO.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT THIS UP YESTERDAY ABOUT 3 1 1, AND JUST TO GIVE A SMALL EXAMPLE OF, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE AVAILABILITY OF THREE ONE, OUR 3 1 1 SYSTEM IN RELATION TO 9 1 1.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE COMPARE HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MONEY OR RESOURCES WE PUT INTO OUR 9 1 1 SYSTEM VERSUS OUR 3 1 1 SYSTEM? AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, I WOULD ASK HOW MUCH OF THIS IS ACTUALLY IN OUR 3 1 1 SA APP? I WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT PEOPLE CAN, CAN UTILIZE THE APP BECAUSE, BECAUSE, UH, IT IS, IT, IT'S A GREAT TOOL, ESPECIALLY AFTER HOURS, WHICH WE, WE NOW KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T AN AFTER HOURS ANSWERING SERVICE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE, UH, MAKE OUR OTHER CITY SERVICES, UH, AVAILABLE TO, TO FOLKS.
UH, YOU, IT STARTS WITH, WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, OTHER AVENUES.
I WAS JUST VISITING, UH, A GENTLEMAN, UH, OVER IN THE WEST HAND NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE THAT HE WAS CALLING, KEPT CALLING ABOUT, UH, HE, HE WOULD CALL, UM, S A P D, BUT IT WAS SIMPLY A CODE ISSUE THAT, THAT WE COULD WORK OUT, UH, AND HELP HIM WITH.
AND SO, UNDERSTANDING HOW, UH, BOTH 9 1 1 AND 3 1 1 CAN BE VERY HELPFUL IN SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK IS, IS SORT OF THE, THE, I THINK THE BEGINNING OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN ADEQUATE ADEQUATELY FUND OUR RESOURCES TO HELP, UH, THE COMMUNITY AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND ULTIMATELY, UH, ALLOW SS A P D TO, TO TACKLE THE VERY SERIOUS ISSUES, UH, THAT, THAT THEY ARE, UH, MANDATED TO TACKLE.
MAYOR, CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK? UH, JUST, UH, COUNCILMAN, LET, LET, LET US YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE CHARTER AND THE APPLICABILITY.
UH, LET, LET ME TALK TO ANDY AND, AND, AND, AND WE'LL PROVIDE A RESPONSE BACK TO THE COUNCIL JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT RIGHT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, ANDY AND LIZ ARE ON THE PHONE AND, AND I'M GIVING YOU MY LEGAL OPINION.
THEN I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE REALLY
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S BE THOROUGH.
AND THEN, AND THEN I THANK YOU FOR THE POINT ABOUT 3 1 1.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER CRITICAL PIECE TOO, TO LOOKING AND COMPARING THE TYPES OF CALLS, BECAUSE THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE AND SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES IT MAY BE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT MAY BE JUST REDIRECTING THAT EXPECTATION.
COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, MARIA.
THANK YOU CHIEF, UH, FOR GIVING US THE PRESENTATION ON THIS.
UM, UH, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ONLINE PETITIONS, I KNOW I WAS ASKING ANDY, UM, LAST WEEK THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH AND EQUITY COMMITTEE MEETING ABOUT, UH, THE CITY CHARTER AND HOW IT RELATES TO SIGNATURES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UH, NEW WORLD THAT WE'RE LIVING IN AND HAVING ONLINE PETITIONS BEING SIGNED, UM, ONLINE.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK, BRINGING THAT BACK UP.
UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND IF I MAY, COUNCILWOMAN, CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK? I, I, AND I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT, AND GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN TORINO'S POINT, IF WHAT THE, UH, IF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS BASIC INFORMATION THAT WE CAN READILY ANSWER OR PROVIDE REFERENCE TO, EITHER IN THE CHARTER OR STATE LAW, OBVIOUSLY YES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW, MARIA, UNDER THE BUDGET, UM, I WAS WONDERING THE 22,000 THAT'S FOR MEMBERSHIP DUES, WOULD YOU, UH, BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO, UH, THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT JUST SAYS MEMBERSHIP DUES.
IT DOESN'T GIVE AN EXAMPLE WHAT THOSE DUES ARE FOR.
YES, COUNCIL, I MEAN, AND I, I'LL ENTER IT.
I'M GONNA ASK, UH, THE CHIEF TO, TO HELP ME WITH THIS, BUT IN GENERAL, MEMBERSHIPS ARE DUES THAT WE PAY TO PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS A MEMBER OF.
SO CHIEF, CAN YOU, UM, TALK ABOUT THE, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BELONGS TO FOR THOSE? YES, MA'AM.
COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, UH, A COUPLE OF THE ORGANIZATION ARE THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS ORGANIZATION, INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF POLICE, UH, TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.
SO THERE'S JUST A, AS MARIA SAID, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS THAT, UH, MYSELF AND, UH, AND OTHER, UH, STAFF MEMBERS, COMMAND STAFF MEMBERS ARE, ARE, UH, PART OF THANK YOU CHIEF.
UM, AND THEN UNDER THE BUDGET AS WELL, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, 3 MILLION, UM, CITY EQUIPMENT RENTALS, OR THERE'S, THERE'S MORE, UM, RENTAL, UM, INFORMATION ON THIS BUDGET.
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AS WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET AND WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITHIN OUR CITY DEFICIT, IS THERE ANY WAY TO, UM, TAKE THESE OUT OF RENTALS AND MAKE THEM FULL PURCHASES? AND THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF RECOUP, UM, THAT, THAT EXPENSE COUNCILWOMAN, AND I'LL JUST COVER THAT VERY QUICKLY.THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS A BEST PRACTICE, WE HAVE AN EQUIPMENT AND RENEWAL FUND.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN WE PURCHASE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, AND I'M GONNA USE FOR INSTANCE, A GARBAGE TRUCK THAT MAY BE, UM, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, WE PUT THAT INTO A REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO WE ARE PUTTING ASIDE EVERY YEAR ENOUGH MONEY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE IT WHEN IT'S DUE FOR REPLACEMENT.
THAT ALLOWS US TO MANAGE OUR COSTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NO DIFFERENT.
OUR POLICE CRUISERS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT THEY USE AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MARIA, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING THE FULL TRANSPARENCY OF THIS BUDGET.
UM, ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THE LUMP SUMS THAT WE'VE PAID OUT TO, UM, OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR MISCONDUCT BUT HAVE BEEN REINSTATED BASED ON ARBITRATION, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE PAID OUT IN THOSE LUMP SUMS OR HOW MUCH MONEY WE PAID IN THE REINSTATEMENT OF OFFICERS COUNCIL?
I DON'T HAVE IT BEFORE ME, BUT I WILL PROVIDE THAT AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE COUNSEL.
ONE, ONE THING I'LL ADD, COUNCILWOMAN IS THAT, IS THAT WHEN WE FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE AN OFFICER IS BEING BROUGHT BACK 'CAUSE OF ARBITRATION, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, NET OUT.
UM, IF THAT OFFICER HAD ANOTHER JOB WHILE UH, HE OR SHE WAS OUT, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO NET OUT THOSE EARNINGS, UM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, UH, SO, SO THAT OFFICER OR OFFICER THAT'S COMING BACK IS GETTING PAID DOUBLE.
UM, AND, AND, UH, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AND THE REST OF THE COUNSEL.
UM, ALSO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LEASE OFFICE SPACES WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THE, UH, PSYCHIATRIC SERVICES AND, UM, OTHER OFFICE SPACE, DO WE HAVE CITY OFFICE SPACE THAT WE COULD MOVE THOSE ENTITIES INTO? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE SPENDING, UH, ROUGHLY 58,000 ON, UM, SPACE FOR, UH, PSYCHIATRIC SERVICES, AND I BELIEVE IT'S OVER 20,000 ON THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS SPACE.
UM, SO HAVE WE LOOKED AT WITH US, UM, GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MOVING THOSE INTO MAYBE CITY OFFICES TO WHERE WE'RE NOT LEASING OUR OFFICE SPACE? COUNCILWOMAN, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WITH WHAT C OVID 19 HAS CHANGED THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE, WE ARE LOOKING, UM, AT, AT THAT POSSIBILITY WE HAD THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME POSSIBILITIES TO, UH, PERHAPS MOVE THESE EMPLOYEES TO, UM, CITY OWN SPACE AS SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING REMOTELY.
SO, SO WE'LL STUDY THE ISSUE AND REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, CHIEF, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT IS THE PURCHASE OF EVIDENCE INFORMATION, UM, FOR THE $87,563, UH, EVIDENCE INFORMATION? YEAH.
THE $87,000 PURCHASED FOR WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER? THE, UH, PURCHASE OF EVIDENCE INFORMATION WE'D HAVE TO RESEARCH, I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT KIND.
THAT DOESN'T SOUND FAMILIAR TO ME.
UH, I'LL, WE'LL CHECK AND, UH, AS A FOLLOW UP ITEM AND WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE THAT.
UM, UH, LIZ OR ANDY, UM, UNDER THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT, UM, THROUGH, UH, THE NATIONAL LEVEL, HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE UNIVERSAL DATABASE WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR OFFICERS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN TERMINATED AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK ACROSS THE BOARD? OR IS THAT STILL JUST A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEING HAD AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL? OH, LIZ, GO AHEAD.
IF YOU WERE GONNA ANSWER ONLY TO SAY THAT I AM AWARE OF IT ONLY AS BEING A, A CONTINUED CONVERSATION COUNCILWOMAN.
WE DID SEE INITIAL DRAFT OF THE LEGISLATION, BUT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE DETAIL.
SO, UH, YES, IT'S, IT'S MORE, UH, IT CONCEPT RIGHT NOW COUNCILWOMAN, BUT AS WE GET MORE, UH, DETAIL, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL LET THE COUNCIL KNOW.
AND, AND COUNCILWOMAN, I'LL ADD THAT, THAT THAT'S POSSIBLY SOMETHING
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FOR THE STATE'S, UH, FOR THE CITY'S STATE LEGISLATIVE, UH, AGENDA FOR NEXT YEAR.UM, WE HAVE T COLE, WHICH IS THE CERTIFYING AGENCY FOR THE STATE, AND, AND, AND THERE IS SOME AVAILABLE INFORMATION ON THERE ABOUT TERMINATED OFFICERS WITHIN THEIR, THEIR CERTIFICATION, BUT IT'S NOT EASILY, UM, UH, AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR OWN LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE WITHIN OUR OWN PROGRAM TO TALK ABOUT WITH OUR LOCAL DELEGATION UP IN AUSTIN.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, SO MUCH FOR THE ANSWER.
SO, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE EXTERNAL REVIEW PROCESS, UH, FOR HIRING, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN EXTERNAL, UH, PARTNER.
IS THAT ALREADY WRITTEN INTO THE BUDGET FOR THAT EXPENSE? NO, MA'AM.
AND WHAT ABOUT FOR THE VIRTUAL LEARNING PLATFORM? NO, NO, MA'AM.
WE, WE COUNCILMAN WE BELIEVE WE CAN DO BOTH THOSE WITHIN, WITHIN THE BUDGETS.
WE DON'T NEED TO ADD THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT FINANCIAL ISSUES, I WOULD SAY.
UM, UM, BUT THERE'S, I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THAT WITHIN OUR BUDGETS TO REDIRECT STUFF.
AND AS WE GO FORWARD, UM, IN RELATION TO COUNCILMAN TREVINO'S, UH, CONVERSATION AND QUESTIONING, UM, I THINK THAT 3 1 1 WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET FOR SOME OF THE, THE RE UH, REDEFINING OF HOW WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT OUR CALLS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW THAT IS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITHIN, UM, THE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE NON-UNIFORM OFFICERS OR NON-UNIFORM PERSONNEL BE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY TAKE ON THE NON-EMERGENCY PROCESS OF, OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, COUNCIL MEMBER
UH, SO LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND, UH, JUMP INTO MY QUESTIONS ON SLIDE NUMBER 14.
THE ENHANCED TRAINING SCHEDULE.
UM, IS THIS, IS THIS, WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE, UM, MONTHLY TRAINING SCHEDULE, FOCUS ON SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUITY? SO IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN I BROUGHT UP WELL BEFORE THE, UM, THE BUDGET REVIEW FOR THE GOAL SETTING SESSION, UM, IS THIS, IS THIS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT AND SEEING TENDENCIES, RACIAL TENDENCIES, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, TENDENCIES SUCH AS THAT? IS THIS THE TRAINING TO JUST KEEP MORE, NOT JUST A, AN A ONETIME REVIEW? IS THAT YES, MA'AM.
IT'S, IT IS, IT IS JUST AN, IT IS JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT, THAT I HAVE IN MIND TO MM-HMM.
YEAH, NO, I THINK WE, WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH, UM, AT ALL.
AND SO I DO WANT TO JUST SAY, UM, YES, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE DOLLARS FOR THE HOMELESS OUTREACH PROGRAM.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE HOMELESS OUTREACH PROGRAM DOLLARS, UM, MARIA TO GO SPECIFICALLY INTO DISTRICT THREE.
I KNOW, UM, OUR SAFE OFFICERS IN OUR OFFICERS IN THE, UM, SOUTH AREA, UH, SOUTH PATROL ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE DOLLARS.
THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY IN MILITARY AND GOLIAD, WHICH IS AN AREA THAT IS, UH, BEEN VERY SATURATED WITH, UM, ENCAMPMENTS TOO.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE, UM, DOLLARS THERE, UH, WANTING TO GO A LITTLE TO, UM, THE $12 MILLION, BUT THAT'S $8 MILLION ON THE, UM, INCREASE, THE INCREASE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
UM, WELL, LET'S GO TO SLIDE SIX, SIX AND SEVEN.
SO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING INCREASE, IT SAYS 11.8, BUT THEN THE GENERAL FUND SS A P D CHANGE IS 8.1.
SO MARIA, PLEASE EXPLAIN THOSE NUMBERS TO ME.
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INCREASE EXPLICITLY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING OR IS IT, OR THE SALARY INCREASES, OR IS IT, UM, MORE THAN THAT? YES, COUNCILMAN.SO THE NET INCREASE TO THE POLICE BUDGET, THE, UH, $8 MILLION THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THAT IS, UH, THE NET OF THOSE AMOUNTS THAT YOU SEE PRIMARILY, UH, IT'S DRIVEN BY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
WE MADE SOME REDUCTIONS TO THE BUDGET, LIKE THE OVERTIME, THE TRANSFER OF THE C R T THAT IS OFFSETTING SOME OF THAT INCREASE.
UH, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, IT INCREASES DUE TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
AND WHERE'S, UM, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU OFFSETTED, YOU OFFSET SOME OF THE MONEY FROM WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEN WHERE DID THE REST OF THE MONEY COME FROM? IT, IT CAME FROM THE OTHER REDUCTIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT, UM, YESTERDAY WE WENT OVER $38 MILLION IN, UH, REDUCTIONS THAT WE DID IN THE GENERAL FUND FROM OTHER AREAS LIKE THE SUSPENSION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, HIRING, FREEZE, NO PAY TO CIVILIANS.
SO ALL THAT WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND ALLOWED US TO, UM, BE ABLE TO OFFSET THE INCREASE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE OTHER, UH, SMALL INCREASES THAT WE DID IN, IN, IN OTHER AREAS OF THE GENERAL FUND.
AND, UM, REMIND ME HOW MUCH OF THE INCREASE? IT'S $8.7 MILLION COUNSEL, JUST FOR THE POLICE, JUST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S FOR THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SALARY INCREASE THIS YEAR IT'S 8.7%.
SO, SO THE ACTUAL INCREASE FOR THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT IS 12.9 MILLION, WHICH ARE THE FIRST TWO LINES ON THE SCREEN.
THAT MAYBE INCREASES ONLY 8.7 BECAUSE WE ARE DECREASING IN WITH OLDER REDUCTIONS WITHIN, WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT APARTMENT.
SO WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF SALARY INCREASE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS YEAR? IT'S A 5%.
UM, DID WE REACH OUT TO THE ASSOCIATION? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WAS VERY TELLING LAST WEEK IN THE PRESENTATION, THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS WHEN YOU HAD THE, UM, THE CITY, THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES NOT GETTING A COLA, NOT GETTING ANY SORT OF INCREASES, LOOKING AT FURLOUGH DAYS, AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, HAVING A 5% INCREASE IN THEIR SALARIES BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ONE OF MY RESIDENTS, UM, CAME UP WITH AND, AND ASKED ME, UM, DID WE REACH OUT AND ASK THE ASSOCIATION, THE POLICE OFFICER'S ASSOCIATION, IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO FOREGO ALL 5% THIS YEAR AND MAYBE JUST GO AT A LOWER PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE SO THEY COULD BE IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES? HAVE WE ASKED THEM THAT? WE HAVE NOT COUNCILWOMAN, NO.
COUNCILMAN, LET ME, LET ME ASK SOME, UH, SOME HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE COMING OUTTA THE RECESSION.
UH, IN 2010, UM, BOTH UNIONS APPROACHED THE CITY, UM, AT THAT TIME TO, UM, REDUCE, UM, UH, WAGE INCREASES.
SO WE DID NOT REACH OUT TO EITHER UNION THIS SUMMER AND ASKED THEM BEFORE CODE RAISES.
UM, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THAT POSSIBILITY IS ALWAYS OUT THERE.
AND, AND, BUT, BUT WE DID NOT APPROACH THEM ABOUT THAT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO GO AND REACH OUT TO THEM AND ASK THEM, UM, ABOUT THAT AND LOOKING AT OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND WE KNOW, AND, AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET, HOW WOULD WE HAVE TO BUDGET THAT OUT IF THEY WERE TO TAKE NOT 5%, BUT MAYBE 2%, 3%, AND WE COULD BUDGET IT OUT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEARS, UM, IF POSSIBLE.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION, UH, FOR THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RESOLUTION MM-HMM.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL REMAIN AT THE SUBSTATIONS, BUT THERE, BUT THERE'LL BE REPORT, BUT THERE'LL BE, UM, THEIR BUDGET WILL COME OUT OF, UM, METRO HEALTH.
AND THEN, UM, TO THE, TO OTHER, UH, OH, TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, LET ME FOCUS ON THAT.
UM, IF WE PUT IN OUR PRIORITIES FOR THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, SO LIZ AND ANDY, CAN THE CITY COUNCIL CALL AT ANY TIME
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THE ELECTION FOR THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT OR THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE OF, UM, 1 74 AND 1 45? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.UM, AND, AND, AND THE OTHER STATUTE HAVE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS THAT TALK ABOUT HOW A MUNICIPALITY BOTH ADOPTS THEM AND HOW A MUNICIPALITY REPEALS THEM.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S DRIVEN BY THE SPECIFIC STATUTES, AND IN BOTH OF 'EM, IT REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE, UH, CITIZENS FOR THEM TO BE REPEALED.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE, THE COUNCIL CAN'T DO IT.
IT HAS TO BE BY PETITION OF THE CITIZENS AND THEN PUT TO A VOTE.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, I GOT IN THE STATUTE.
SO THE CITIZENS HAVE TO COLLECT THE SIGNATURES TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION CHIEF ABOUT, UM, ANY, IF WE CAN HAVE, JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, SEXUAL HARASSMENT CHARGES FOR OUR OFFICERS, CAN WE GET THOSE TO SEE IF ANY, UM, SEXUAL HARASSMENT CHARGES HAVE BEEN, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD TO OUR, UM, UPON OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT COUNCIL MEMBER, WE COULD GET DISPOSITIONS ON ANY SEXUAL HARASSMENT COMPLAINT THAT WAS SUSTAINED.
AND I'M SURE WE COULD GET THE, UH, ANY COMPLAINTS THAT WERE, UH, LODGED, BUT WE WOULDN'T, IF, IF THEY WEREN'T SUSTAINED, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ANY, UM, FOLLOW-UP INFORMATION ON THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MAYBE WE CAN BRING THAT TO OUR, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, CHAIR, UH, C HAVE, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
AND I THINK THIS ISN'T ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY GO INTO DEPTH WITH OUR POLICE BUDGET.
SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO A MORE IN-DEPTH DETAILED CONVERSATION AT A PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING BECAUSE, UM, I COULD GO ON.
AND, UH, THANK YOU CHIEF AND, AND MARIA FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'LL START OFF BY SAYING THAT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRAINING AND, UM, OTHER AVENUES TO AFFECT CHANGE.
I DO, DO, UM, I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES FOR OTHER CITIES, BUT I DO WANT TO REMIND US THAT WE CAN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OTHERS HAVE AS BEST PRACTICES, WHAT OTHERS HAVE AS BEST PRACTICES THAT MIGHT BE MINIMUM.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST REALLY DO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE, UH, YOU KNOW, A MODEL TO FOLLOW.
SO I JUST WANTED TO START OFF WITH THAT BECAUSE I ALWAYS THINK OF THE POSITIVE THINGS.
UM, I ALSO LOVE CHIEF THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING MONTHLY TRAINING, EVEN IF IT'S VIRTUAL, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I HAVE TO TAKE A CYBER TEST EVERY MONTH, RIGHT, THAT CRAIG MAKES US DO.
ACTUALLY, THE STATE MAKES US DO IT.
SO I'M SURE THAT CRAIG HOPKINS WOULD LOVE, UM, TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
AND SO THEY'RE VERY ENGAGING AND FUN, SO I'M SURE YOU GUYS CAN, CAN DO SOMETHING.
UM, ON SLIDE 28, YOU MENTIONED AN IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS.
AND I, I WANNA CAUTION US ON, ON, ON TAKING TOO MUCH TIME, UM, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS, UH, OVER THE MONTH OF JUNE.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S COMMON THEMES, AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN HAVE EARLIER AS, AS A CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
AND I SENT HER A 22 PAGE DOCUMENT WITH ALL OF THE NOTES THAT I DO HAVE TO THANK MY SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, EDWARD MIA, FOR PUTTING TOGETHER.
UM, WE SAW SOME COMMON ITEMS IN THERE THAT I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE 2016 PLAN THAT MAYOR TAYLOR'S, UM, GROUP THAT SHE CREATED PUT TOGETHER.
THERE'S, THERE WAS 27 ITEMS ON THAT TASK FORCE THAT RESULTED ACTION ITEMS, AND THERE WAS STILL SIX THAT I THINK ARE, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAN ADDRESS MOST OF THE COMMON THEMES.
UM, ANYTHING FROM REDUCING ENCOUNTERS WITH OFFICERS TO, UM, IMPLEMENTING THAT, THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD TO, UM, YES, UNDERGOING DIFFERENT DIVERSITY TRAINING, ET CETERA.
UM, AND I TOLD THE COUNCILWOMAN THAT I WOULD BRING THAT UP.
AND SO THERE'S ONE, FOR INSTANCE ON THERE ALIGNED PREFERENCE POINTS FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
SO THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HELP WITH OUR, UM, BUILDING COMMUNITY TIES, WHICH I'VE HEARD AS A COMMON THEME.
I'VE ALSO, UH, SEEN ON NUMBER 11 ON THAT WAS TRAINING ON THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY, WHICH OF COURSE, UM, WOULD DEFINITELY HELP WITH SOME OF THE, THE DIVERSITY.
UH, THERE WAS AN ITEM ON THERE, ITEM NUMBER
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17 WAS REGARDING NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION GROUPS AS GO TEAMS, UM, WHEN THERE WAS OFFICER, UH, INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, FOR INSTANCE.AND SO, UM, I'M USING THOSE AS EXAMPLES, BUT THERE IS ITEM NUMBER 19, NUMBER 24 AND NUMBER 25, UM, UH, IDENTIFYING A GROUP THAT HELPS IDENTIFY EXCEPTIONAL, UH, OFFICERS.
SO MAYBE THE CONCEPT OF TYING PROMOTIONS RIGHT TO, UM, UH, TO BEHAVIOR BASED OR EVEN, UM, EXAMINING IMPACT ON COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIPS.
UM, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN 2016 ARE CONSISTENT STILL WITH WHAT IS BEING BROUGHT UP NOW AND WITH MY CONVERSATIONS.
AND SO I JUST AGAIN, WANNA CAUTION US, US ON TAKING TOO MUCH TIME, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM A LOT OF THESE GROUPS IS THAT THEY WANNA ACTION NOW.
AND I KNOW THAT ERIC PRESENTED THIS BUDGET, UM, LAST WEEK AND SAID APRIL OF 2021, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO GET A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, TOO FAR BEHIND ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE CAN MOVE ON.
AND SO I'VE MET WITH GROUPS LIKE MOVE TEXAS AND DR.
DOSHI PIPER FROM U I W AND SA RISE AND FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEFS, UH, FORMER CITY MANAGER, DR.
JOTA KINA FROM OUR LADY OF THE LAKE UNIVERSITY, MY BROTHER'S KEEPER AS I STANDS RELIABLE, REVOLUTIONARIES, RAAS COS METRO, AND SAO.
AND, UM, I JUST REALLY LISTENED TO THEM AND, UM, UNDERSTOOD WHERE THEY WERE COMING FROM.
SO I DO WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE ALSO THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT THE KAHOOT PROGRAM.
UH, I KNOW, UH, ROSA FROM MY STAFF HAD PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION AND WE SENT IT OVER TO YOU AND MARIA, SO THANK YOU FOR INCORPORATING THAT.
I'M INTERESTED IN, UM, LEARNING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PICK PROGRAM.
I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH INFORMATION ON THAT.
MAYBE I, I, I'VE MISSED IT SOMEWHERE, BUT, UH, MAYBE CHIEF, IF YOU COULD JUST HAVE JOE FRANK OR SOMEONE FROM YOUR STAFF SEND ME SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
WELL, I CALL IT THE PICK, BUT IT'S P I C C.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT I'LL, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
ALSO, IF YOU CAN LET ME KNOW WHEN THE UPDATES TO THE WEBSITE WILL BE DONE, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, HELPFUL AS WELL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, OR THAT I HEARD IN MY MEETINGS, UM, IS THAT THERE IS SOME REPORTING, FOR INSTANCE, ON SITE AND RELEASE, UM, THERE, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE REPORTS FOR 2020 PUBLISHED, AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PUBLISHED, AND I, I HAVEN'T FOUND THEM EITHER, UM, PUBLICLY.
SO I'M WONDERING WHEN THOSE ARE GONNA BE SHARED AND, AND WHERE SPECIFICALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE SHARED.
BUT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME WEBSITE UPDATES.
COUNCIL, I'M GONNA ON THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM, UH, WE DID A PUBLIC PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON THE FIRST QUARTER REPORT.
THE PROGRAM BEGAN IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, A YEAR AGO.
AND WE, UM, DID NOT PRESENT THE SECOND QUARTER REPORT DUE TO THE CANCELLATIONS WE HAD AS A RESULT OF COVID 19.
UM, I WILL, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHAIR OF THE, UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, COUNCILWOMAN KAVIA, TO SCHEDULE THE ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON, AND PRESENT THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AT ONE OF THE UPCOMING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR THE FULL COUNCIL.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I WAS INTERESTED IN AS WELL.
UM, I DO HAVE TO SAY, UM, THAT I, I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW A C S MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP.
I HAD AN OFFICER, UM, SEND, UH, UH, OR SENT A PICTURE OF A HORSE THAT HE HAD TO PRETTY MUCH STAY WITH, LIKE ALMOST, UH, YOU KNOW, HALF THE NIGHT, UM, RUNNING AROUND IN MY NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, UH, IN D FOUR, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
AND SO I WAS LIKE, WHY ISN'T S C S INVOLVED? UM, AND SO I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE FACT THAT, THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT THAT, AND SIMILAR TO HOW 3 1 1 GOES OUT, UM, TO SOLVE SOME, SOME OR, OR SOME, UH, SOME PROBLEMS. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS ALLOCATED IN THIS BUDGET FOR CITIZEN EDUCATION SPECIFICALLY, MAYBE FOR A CITIZEN ON PATROL OR PUBLIC SAFETY CORPS, WHICH I'M A BIG FAN OF, UM, BY THE WAY, OR SCHOOL SERVICES.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT, UH, EFFORTS THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.
UM, SIMILARLY, SO THE SAFE PROGRAM IN DISTRICT FOUR IS VERY POPULAR, AND I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH IS ALLOCATED THERE.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT THERE'S AN EQUITY BASED APPROACH TO THAT.
UM, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'D LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S ACTUALLY PROGRESS THAT'S MEASURED OVER TIME FOR SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS. UM, I'M SURE THERE IS.
AND I, I FIGURED THAT THIS MIGHT BE THE PLACE TO LOOK FOR THIS.
UM, SIMILARLY, THE DART PROGRAM, THE DART ALLOCATION, BUDGETARY ALLOCATION FOR DART PROGRAM AND SUCCESS RATE WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SEE.
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I'M GIVING ALL SORTS OF SHOUT OUTS HERE TO CRAIG HOPKINS, BUT I T S D FUNDING FOR SS A P D, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.I, UH, I, I'VE TOLD YOU ALL THE STORY HOW I WENT ON A RIDE ALONG AND, UM, I WAS, UH, UH, DISAPPOINTED IN, IN SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT OUR OFFICERS, HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THEM TO, UM, TO DO SOME INPUT.
I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE PROGRAM, UH, PROBLEMS. UM, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE, UM, TOTAL I I T S D FUNDING FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN FINAL, AND THEN ALSO ON, ON DATA ENTRY TOTAL, HOW MUCH, UM, IS SPENT ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DO DATA ENTRY.
UM, BUT THEN MY, MY FINAL COMMENTS, UM, AND BY THE WAY, DON'T WORRY, CHIEF, BUT I, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO WRITE ALL THIS DOWN.
WE'LL SEND IT TO YOUR OFFICE, WE'LL OVERWRITE IT FOR YOU.
UM, WHAT KIND OF PUBLIC INPUT IS GOING TO BE USED TO ESTABLISH THE PRINCIPLES AND GOALS FOR THIS YEAR'S COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, UM, AGREEMENT? I, I'D LOVE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A RESOLUTION IN 2016 TRYING TO TRACK THAT DOWN AS WE SPEAK.
I WANNA SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE FROM THE 2016 RESOLUTION TO THE 2020 RESOLUTION, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED IN 2016 REALLY DID NOT ADDRESS SOME OF THE MASSIVE SHORTCOMINGS THAT WE ENDED UP WITH IN THE AGREEMENT.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE DIFFERENCE AND IS IT REALLY GONNA MATTER? UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, COUNCILMAN, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I, I DON'T RECALL THE COUNCIL APPROVING A RESOLUTION IN 2016.
WHAT, WHAT THE COUNCIL DID RECEIVE IN A B SESSION FORMAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THE, UH, MAYOR CASTRO AT THE TIME CREATED A, UM, UH, HEALTHCARE FIRE AND POLICE HEALTHCARE TASK FORCE THAT, UH, REVIEWED THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH HEALTHCARE PENSION AND RETIREE HEALTHCARE FOR POLICE OFFICERS, UH, AND FIREFIGHTERS.
AND THAT REPORT WAS GIVEN DELIVERED TO THE COUNCIL IN A B SESSION FORMAT THAT BECAME A BASIS FOR THE PRIORITIES, OBVIOUSLY, WITHIN, UM, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.
BUT I DO NOT RECALL THE COUNCIL, UH, EVER APPROVING A RESOLUTION IN ADVANCE OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
WE'LL GO BACK AND, AND DOUBLE CHECK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK I, UH, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GET A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PRIORITIES.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT, IN TERMS OF THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL SELECTS, UM, AND AS WE GO INTO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, UH, AND, AND BEING ABLE TO PRIORITIZE THAT.
UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I DON'T RECALL A RESOLUTION.
AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A RESOLUTION.
I, I, I HAD HEARD, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT, SO I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE I, I WAS MISSING IT SOMEWHERE.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD FIND, I THINK WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I, I WILL REAFFIRM, UH, WHAT, WHAT ERIC SAID.
THERE WAS NO PUBLIC, UM, DECLARATION OF POSITION ON THE ISSUE OF DISCIPLINE REFORM OR ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE, UM, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS LAST TIME.
UH, AND TO THE EXTENT THERE WAS ON, ON THE FINANCES, IT WAS SIMPLY, UH, THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL PASSING BY ORDINANCE IN, IN 2014 IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, UH, LIMITING PUBLIC SAFETY SPENDING WRIT LARGE TO 66% OF THE, OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, MAYOR, THAT, AND THAT ALSO, THAT, THAT CAME OUT OF THAT HEALTHCARE TASK FORCE REPORT THAT THE COUNCIL RECEIVED THAT, THAT SAME, UH, BELOW SIX, 6%.
COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA, COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ.
UM, MAYOR, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES.
UM, SO I, I JUST, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO, UM, ALL MY COLLEAGUES AND OF COURSE, THIS IS OUR LAST, UM, BUDGET.
AND THAT I, I, I, I KEEP THINKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, LIKE THE INTEGRATED HEALTH MENTAL HEALTH UNIT, UH, AND FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UH, OUR DART PROGRAMS, UH, THAT WE'VE USED THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHEN WE KNEW THAT WE HAD A PARTICULAR SORT OF VIOLENT HOUSE OR ISOLATED AREA.
AND, UH, I, I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MY, UM, MY REQUEST TO ERIC, UH, AND, AND, UH, WHEN HE BECAME CITY MANAGER, UH, THAT OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS WERE TOO MUCH IN SILOS, AND THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS.
AND IN PARTICULAR, MY REQUEST TO DISMANTLE T C I THE WAY IT WAS WITH, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION
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AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, ALL AS ONE.UH, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, UM, SEEMS LIKE A LIFETIME AGO, BUT WE WERE, UM, TRYING TO FOCUS ON SOME DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE CORE.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PARTICULARLY THE NUMBER OF FATALITIES, UH, DUE TO, UM, UH, ROAD FATALITIES.
UH, AND I ASKED YOU IF YOU COULD RECONSIDER, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ALTOGETHER, UH, AND, AND DID THAT PERSON WHO LED THE DEPARTMENT, DID THAT PERSON HAVE TO BE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER? COULD THAT PERSON BE MORE LIKE AN URBAN PLANNER OR A NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT TYPE, LIKE A, UH, THAT COULD SEE OTHER ASPECTS BEYOND LEVEL OF SERVICE? BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE PRIMARILY ALL OF OUR STREET DESIGN WAS FOCUSED ON LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH MEANS HOW QUICKLY CAN A CAR PASS THROUGH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME? AND ALL OF OUR, UM, INVESTMENT IN STREET MAINTENANCE WAS BASED ON THAT.
AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW, UM, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, AND THE REQUEST FOR, UM, THIS DEFUNDING OF THE POLICE AND, AND THOSE OF US, UM, ASKING FOR A REDIRECTION OF RESOURCES, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN HAVING ONE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ONE CHIEF, UH, BE SPREAD OUT TO ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS WHERE WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.
UM, AND, AND, UH, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE OFFICERS DEDICATED TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
YOU HAVE OFFICERS DEDICATED TO TRAVEL, BUT THEY ALL REPORT IN ONE AREA, UH, WITH THE SAME MENTALITY AND THE SAME, UH, PERSPECTIVE, UM, TO THE CHIEF.
AND I KNOW I ASKED THIS QUESTION EARLY ON, DID THE, DID THE, UM, THE OFFICER OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAVE TO BE A PEACE OFFICER, POLICE OFFICER, OR, AND DID HIS, UH, IMMEDIATE, UM, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEFS HAVE TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS? AND ACCORDING TO LIZ, THEY DO, BUT COULD YOU HAVE A, AND THIS IS FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RE VISIONING OF OUR DEPARTMENT.
COULD THEY IN FACT BE UNDER T C I OR COULD THEY BE UNDER METRO HEALTH, OR COULD THEY BE UNDER SOME CITY DEPARTMENT? I MEAN, AND I KNOW ERIC, WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF YOU SINCE YOU'VE BECOME OUR CITY MANAGER, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH YOUR ABILITY TO PIVOT, UH, AND TO BE MORE OPEN-MINDED ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE SPENT AT LEAST THE LAST 15, UH, OR MAYBE MORE YEARS OF YOUR CAREER IN PUBLIC SAFETY IS VERY HARD TO CHANGE OUR MINDSET.
I MEAN, I STRUGGLE WITH IT MYSELF.
HOW CAN WE CHANGE OUR MINDSET IF WE WANT TO? AND, AND OUR CONSTITUENTS DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO HOMELESSNESS AND ADDICTION WHEN THEY SEE DRUG ACTIVITY, AND WHEN THEY SEE EVEN LOOSE DOGS FOR THAT MATTER.
OUR CONSTITUENTS WANT AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHY THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS LIKE MAIN OBJECTIVE OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN RESPONSE TIMES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
SO I, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I CAN THINK OF A FEW EXAMPLES, LIKE WHEN WE'VE DONE A DART, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THEY'VE BEEN VERY PUNITIVE.
UM, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT UNDERCOVER OFFICERS RISK THEIR LIVES IN THOSE EFFORTS.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON SITE A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND THE, UM, THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A CHIEF OR MAYBE ONE OF HIS ASSISTANTS SAID, YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE GUYS ARE POLICE OFFICERS, BUT SOME OF THE GUYS IN THERE ARE POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, THEY LOOK, UH, UM, UH, LIKE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE THERE.
AND, BUT WHEN WE DO A DART, WE DO HAVE, I MEAN, I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THAT, INCLUDING A C S, INCLUDING FAMILY SERVICES OR, UM, OUR HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE THERE'S OFTEN MINORS INVOLVED.
UM, THERE'S, UH, OFTEN, UM, UH, THE COUNTY HELPS AS WELL.
UH, I, I FEEL LIKE IN SOME OF THOSE, BECAUSE THERE WAS OFTEN, UM, UH, DRUG ACTIVITY GOING ON, BUT COULD WE HAVE A PROGRAM LIKE THAT THAT JUST WASN'T SO PUNITIVE? UM, AND SO ERIC, I DON'T KNOW.
I I I, I KEEP KIND OF GOING BACK TO THAT.
DO THEY HAVE TO REPORT TO A POLICE CHIEF? UM, AND DO THEY HAVE TO ALL BE UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA AS A, UM, AS A ONE DEPARTMENT? I MEAN, I HATE TO, I HATE TO ANSWER IN TERMS OF ABSOLUTES, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, THINGS, THINGS ALWAYS CHANGE.
BUT, BUT, BUT I GUESS I, UM, OBVIOUSLY A POLICE OFFICER OR A POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO BE, AND I REMEMBER WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, HAS TO BE OVERSEEN BY A, A, A, A LICENSED POLICE CHIEF, NOT JUST A LICENSED POLICE OFFICER, BUT A LICENSED POLICE CHIEF THAT'S CERTIFIED BY
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THE STATE AT LEAST, AT LEAST HERE IN TEXAS.AND NOW, ARE THERE THINGS THAT, THAT, ARE THERE THINGS THAT POLICE ARE DOING THAT MAY BE, UM, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE DOING IT, AND I'LL USE YOUR PUBLIC WORKS EXAMPLE, YOUR WHERE YOUR TRANSPORTATION, UH, EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ENGINEERS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THE, THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THE, THE, THE BIKE MOBILITY.
AND IS THERE A DIFFERENT LENS OR A DIFFERENT PROFESSION OR EXPERIENCE THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE UTILIZING? I, I THINK, I THINK THE SAME EXAMPLE COULD BE USED WITH POLICE.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY, BUT WE, EVERYBODY LOOKED AT THAT SLIDE.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF CALLS THAT, THAT PROBABLY DON'T REQUIRE A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND OR A POLICE OFFICER TO RESPOND.
AND, AND IF IT, IF IT'S GONNA BE SOMEONE ELSE, THEN WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ADD MONEY OR CONVINCE ANOTHER AGENCY TO SPEND MONEY TO BEEF UP THE RESPONSE MECHANISM, BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE THE EXPECTATION, WHETHER IT'S 9 1 1 OR 3 1 1 OR 2 0 7 SS A P D OR, OR WHATEVER, SOMEBODY'S GONNA EXPECT A RESPONSE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IF WE SHIFT RESPONSIBILITIES LIKE THAT, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO IDENTIFY FUNDING OR, OR FIND NEW FUNDING OR CUT BACK ON POLICE SPENDING, AND MAYBE NOT HIRE POSITIONS IN THE FUTURE OR NOT ADD POSITIONS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THAT'S HOW YOU SORT OF REBALANCE THAT.
AND I THINK THE MISSING PIECE ON THE PO ON THE POLICE SIDE, COUNCILWOMAN, IS THAT, UM, I MEAN, I, I, I'VE GOTTEN, I GOT, I GOT HIT UP BY MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS OVER THE LAST 45 DAYS ABOUT PEOPLE'S OPINION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR VISION OF WHAT THEIR, OF WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE.
AND, AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT EXPECTATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE, THE DELIBERATE PART ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH.
I DO THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY THINGS THAT WE SHOULD STOP DOING AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BEEF UP AND DO DIFFERENTLY.
AND THE, AND THE, THE OUTREACH TEAM IS A, IS A SMALL, VERY, VERY SMALL EXAMPLE OF IT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER WAY TO HANDLE MENTAL HEALTH.
I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN S WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
UM, SOME OF THOSE EMERGENCY CALLS WE MAY NOT WANT TO SEND CASEWORKERS TO, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE THE ADDRESS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST NUMBER.
YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE MAKE CONNECTION WITH THOSE VICTIMS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY'RE AWARE OF OTHER RESOURCES AND NOT, AND NOT NECESSARILY WAIT FOR THAT NINE ONE ONE CALL AND AN OFFICER.
THERE'S DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WE COULD DO SMARTER AND I THINK MORE AND, AND, AND FRANKLY BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF THE USE OF, OF TAXPAYER DOLLAR.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I THINK, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GETTING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE SAME REQUEST I HAD, UH, OF THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE OF COURSE, WE'RE GONNA GET THE SAME OUTCOMES, UM, UH, IF WE, UH, CAN'T, UM, UH, ENVISION A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT THE DART AND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY RESPOND.
UM, OH, ALSO SOMETIMES THEY HAVE BUILDING INSPECTORS AS WELL, BECAUSE OFTEN THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT SECURE, UM, WHEN WE HAVE THOSE KIND OF INITIATIVES.
AND SO, UM, WITH THE LAST, YOU KNOW, UH, SECONDS I HAVE, UH, LEFT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OF COURSE I, I AGREE WITH, UM, A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE 9 1 1 VERSUS THE 3 1 1.
UM, BUT, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, UM, PERHAPS IN, IN THE INNOVATION COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING LIKE HOW MANY OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE DONE JUST WITH EXAMPLE, UM, THAT MAYBE YOU'VE HEARD ME USE IN THE PAST, BUT FOR MANY, UH, YEARS, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I'M, I'M IN THE, THE PA INDUSTRY.
WE'VE OWNED IT FOR 60 YEARS, UH, AND FOR MANY, MANY DECADES, IN FACT, WE HAD A UPON DETAILED DETECTIVE, AND A DE DETECTIVE CAME TO MY STORE AND STORES ALL OVER THE CITY, UH, EVERY WEEK AND PICKED UP, UH, ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS.
UH, AND, UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, THAT POSITION, UH, WAS ELIMINATED THAT DETECTIVE POSITION WAS OR REDIRECTED.
UH, AND ALL THAT'S DONE AUTO BY AUTOMATION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LAWS AGAINST CAMERAS FOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.
UH, PERHAPS WE CAN CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT.
UM, JUST NON RIGHT, NON-JUDGMENTAL CAMERAS FOR TRAFFIC, UH, AND, AND BRING THAT UP AGAIN.
AND THERE WAS A, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I SAW RELATED TO THOSE 9 1 1 CALLS THAT SEEMED, THAT COULD BE OBVIOUSLY DONE WITH TECHNOLOGY.
UH, AND SO, UM, I MEAN, EVEN REPORTING OF MINOR ACCIDENTS, I THINK ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE NOW THAT PERHAPS ARE NOT.
UH, AND, AND SORT OF ELIMINATING, UM, ALL OF THAT WORK.
UH, AND, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE VERY CLEVER PEOPLE OUT IN THE WORLD THAT
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CAN CREATE AN APP FOR THAT.WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLLOW UP, A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF WHAT WE'LL DO, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
WE'RE GONNA PACKAGE IT UP, UH, IN A MEMO BACK TO THE ALL THE COUNCIL.
THAT WAY WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE RESPONSES BACK TO EVERYBODY AND, AND WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE FOLLOW-UP ITEMS. OKAY.
UM, WE DO HAVE A HUD HEARING AT FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY.
UH, SO AT THIS TIME, OUR FEE SESSION IS ADJOURNED.
IT'S 4:32 PM AND WE WILL RECONVENE, UH, BY A PUBLIC HEARING FOR HUD AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
I WANNA THANK, UH, CHIEF, UH, LIZ, MARIA, ERIC, UH, PRESENTERS AND, AND MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL.
LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT CONVERSATION IN PUBLIC SAFETY.