* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE LIVE. GO AHEAD, CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP OUR WORK SESSION. AND HERE, UM, THEY HAVE DISPLAYED FOR US THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON COMBINED HEARING. AND, UH, WE HAVE, EVIDENTLY WE HAVE TWO. IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE WHAT, UM, A RECUSAL? MM-HMM. ? YES. WE HAVE A RECUSAL ON ITEM 14 FROM COMMISSIONER WHITE. OKAY. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE LATER ON, UH, ON THE INDIVIDUAL FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. OKAY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS OF ANY ITEMS OR ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO PULL AND MOVE TO INDIVIDUAL? MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD GET THE, UH, COUNT ON ITEM 16, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, STAFF ITEM 16, PLEASE. ITEM 16. THERE WERE 14 NOTICES MAILED. THAT ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER KAMATH. CAN I GET A COUNT ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER, UH, SEVEN, PLEASE. SO STAFF NUMBER SEVEN SEVEN IS GOING TO BE ON INDIVIDUAL, UH, DUE TO THE OPPOSITION RECEIVED, THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMENTS. LET'S SEE. THERE WERE 22 NOTICES MAILED NONE IN FAVOR, FIVE RECEIVED OPPOSED, AND THERE WERE TWO OUT, UH, OPPOSED OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA. AND LACK WIND TERRACE IS OPPOSED. YEAH. ON, UH, NUMBER 10, UH, IT'S SET FOR, UH, INDIVIDUAL, BUT, UH, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE VOICEMAIL? YES, SIR. THERE WAS A VOICEMAIL RECEIVED AND, UH, THE CALLER HAS A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE PO POSED IN THAT VOICEMAIL, SO WE WANNA BE SURE AND GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, UM, SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS IT. AH, MS. BUSMAN, CAN YOU TAKE OVER JUST FOR A MINUTE FOR ME? I'LL BE RIGHT BACK IN, IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. OF COURSE. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER CONCERNS TO BE RAISED WITH RESPECT TO ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE COMBINED OR INDIVIDUAL HEARING? UH, ON THE COMBINED, COULD I GET A COUNT FOR NINE AND, AND, UM, OH, GOODNESS. AND, AND 17, YES. NUMBER NINE, THERE WERE 25 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND DENVER HEIGHTS IS IN SUPPORT. OKAY. AND THEN NUMBER 17, 20 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM WESTPORT ALLIANCE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE OFF THE COMBINED HEARING? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. UM, I THINK WE GO AHEAD AND WE GO OFF THE RECORD UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 1257. IT IS CURRENTLY 1239. ACTUALLY, WE HAVE POSTED FOR THE WORK SESSION DISCUSSION, UM, THE ME MEETING PROCEDURES RELATED TO THE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER ONE. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU CHAIR, UH, BUT, UM, WE, UH, UH, SENT THE EMAIL WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES. UH, THEY'RE AVAILABLE ONLINE ON THE AGENDA AND WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY, UH, FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OFFICIALLY CONSIDER IT IN, UH, THE REGULAR MEETING. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. SO LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF THE MEETING AND THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS. ITEM. NUMBER ONE IS OUR, IS IT OUR INTENTION TO CONSIDER ITEM NUMBER ONE PRIOR TO THE COMBINED HEARING? UH, YOU CAN MOVE IT TO THE END. UM, IT WAS JUST LISTED AS NUMBER ONE, BUT THE, THE CHAIR HAS THE ABILITY TO MOVE IT TO THE END IF THEY, OKAY. I WILL, UH, LEAVE THAT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE ACTUAL CHAIR AS I'M IN AN ACTING [00:05:01] CAPACITY, UH, . BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS I HAVE THE FLOOR, I HAVE, UH, SUBMITTED SOME PROPOSED, A PROPOSED REVISION TO PARAGRAPH THREE ON THIS ITEM. SO WE'RE GONNA DISPLAY THOSE NOW FOR YOU. OKAY. SO THE OTHER ONE, MICHAEL? YEAH, THAT ONE. UM, THIS JUST CLEANS UP JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF EXPLAINING WHAT I WAS THINKING. THIS IS PARAGRAPH THREE THAT DEFINES, UH, WHAT A COMBINED HEARING OR CONSENT CASE IS. UM, SOME OF IT'S JUST WORDSMITHING, UM, BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WAS ABSENT IN THIS CONSIDERATION, IF WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WAS JUST UP ON THE RED LINE, UH, IT LIMITS THE ABILITY, UH, TO OBJECT TO THE RESIDENT COMMISSIONER. AND I FELT LIKE WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO OBJECT TO ANY ITEM ON THE COMBINED HEARING. IT'S A MATTER OF CUSTOM, UH, THAT WE DEFER TO THE RESIDENT COMMISSIONER, BUT ANY COMMISSIONER HAS THAT. RIGHT. AND ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SEE SOMETIMES AS COMMISSIONERS SEEKING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RATHER THAN REALLY OBJECTING. UM, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE PREVIOUSLY WAS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE APPROVAL OF THE RESIDENT COMMISSIONER. UH, FOR ONE THING, I DIDN'T LIKE APPROVAL BECAUSE THE RESIDENT COMMISSIONER ISN'T SORT OF A VETO. AND, UH, SO I WANTED TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE. AND THEN I ALSO FELT WE NEEDED TO BROADEN OUT KIND OF WHEN A COMMISSIONER OBJECTS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS. AND SO, UH, DURING THE MEETING, I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT THESE CHANGES BE MADE AS A REVISION OR AMENDMENT TO PARAGRAPH THREE. AND MADAM CHAIR, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. AND REVISIONS , BY THE WAY. . ALL RIGHT. WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? KATT, UH, STAFF WOULD AGREE WITH THESE, UM, WITH THESE REVISIONS THAT'S PROPOSED. OKAY. DID I MISS ANY BESIDES THIS PARAGRAPH THREE? NOPE, THAT'S IT. UH, WE, WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO ASK WAS, DID ANYBODY ELSE, UH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, CLARIFICATIONS THEY NEEDED ON THE PROPOSED DOCUMENT? MICHAEL, YOU WANNA PUT, UH, THE MARKUP UP, UH, JUST SO WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE IT'S, UH, CONSIDERED? THE OTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LISTED AS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN AS THE CHAIR MOVE IT TO THE END OF THE MEETING. OH, I THOUGHT, UM, DOC, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, DID SHE HAVE TO MOVE IT UP? DID, ARE YOU ASKING ME A QUESTION? OH. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO LEAVE IT, UH, FOUR 30, RIGHT. SO SHOULD WE, UM, LEAVE IT AS THE FIRST ITEM? MM-HMM. , I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO WEIGH IN ON IT. UM, OKAY. I'M PRETTY SURE I HAVE TO LEAVE IT FOUR 30, BUT I DIDN'T REQUEST TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. BUT YEAH, I THINK TO HAVE YOU THERE WHEN WE, UM, I THINK SO, YEAH, LET'S LEAVE IT AT THE BEGINNING IF YOU DON'T MIND. PLEASE, MA'AM. OKAY. AND THIS IS CHRISTIE. AND I JUST WANTED A, A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION FOR YOU GUYS ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH JOHN, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, THERE IS A, A LIVE CALL-IN REQUEST FOR, UH, TO VOICE THEIR SUPPORT. AND SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I WILL JUST READ ALL OF THE CONSENT ITEMS AND THEN WE WILL PATCH IN THAT LIVE CALLER FOR THEIR SUPPORT CALL. UH, I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. AND I HAVE, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I JUST HAD ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION. SO PER THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION THAT YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING LATER, FOR EXAMPLE, I WANTED TO INDICATE LIKE NUMBER 10, WHICH COMMISSIONER EY HAD ASKED ABOUT, UM, WHY IT HAD GOTTEN MOVED BACK TO INDIVIDUAL? WELL, THERE IS A VOICEMAIL TO PLAY FOR THE RECORD WITH QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF IF THE RESOLUTION PASSES, IT WILL BE SOMETHING WHERE THAT ITEM CAN STILL REMAIN ON CONSENT, AND THEN THAT VOICE CALL WILL STILL JUST BE PATCHED IN, BUT AS PART OF CONSENT. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF WE TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE COULD MOVE THAT ITEM TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT'S BEING SAID DUE TO THE RECUSAL COMM ITEM NUMBER 10? STAFF? UM, SO WITH THE NEW MEETING PROCEDURES, THAT WOULD START IN SEPTEMBER? YES. THAT [00:10:01] COULD BE A COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, SO I GUESS SORT OF A SUBSIDIARY OR IMPLICIT QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, THESE RULES ARE NOT GOING TO BE FOR THIS MEETING, EVEN IF WE PASS IT FIRST. I, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE START IT TODAY. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE START IT IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE PART OF THE NOTICE OF BEFORE SEPTEMBER, WE'LL INCLUDE THIS NEW MEETING FORMAT. UH, AND SO WE DON'T WANNA CONFUSE PEOPLE. I THINK THAT MAKES A GREAT DEAL OF SENSE. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSER, MATE. ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? I MAY BE THE STICK IN THE MUD TO THIS WHOLE REVISION HERE BECAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT NOT EVEN ADDRESSING THE, THE PEOPLE THAT TOOK TIME TO WRITE LETTERS AND OF OPPOSITION OR JUST INFORMING US WHAT THEIR VIEW IS ON THE CASE. I DO THINK AT TIMES WE LEARN INFORMATION FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE MIGHT NECESS NOT NECESSARILY PICK UP WITH DUE RESPECT TO THE COMMISSIONER FOR THAT DISTRICT. THERE ARE THOSE OF US OUT HERE THAT MAY NOT HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. AND I DO THINK SOMETIMES THAT WE PICK UP INFORMATION FROM THOSE LETTERS. SO, AND FOR INSTANCE, TODAY, WE DIDN'T GET OUR LETTERS TILL RIGHT BEFORE WE CAME ONLINE. THAT GIVES US ZERO TIME TO READ THROUGH THESE THINGS TO JUST SAY, OH, THEY'RE A MATTER OF RECORD. SO I WOULD WANT SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITY OR OTHER OPTION FROM STAFF FOR US TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME, OR I FEEL LIKE IT STILL HAS TO BE PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION. WELL, THE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE GIVE THEM UNTIL FOUR O'CLOCK THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING, UM, WE WOULD COMPILE THEM ALL. AND, AND YOU SHOULD BE RECEIVING 'EM FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. IF THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS AT, UM, INADVERTENTLY SENT TO YOU RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT, UM, THE INTENT IS TO TRY TO SEND IT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING BECAUSE THE DEADLINE IS 4:00 PM THE DAY BEFORE KA. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DIDN'T GET ANY MESSAGES UNTIL STARTING AFTER 1130. AND IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE I ASKED DID I MISS SOME? BECAUSE IT FELT ODD THAT I GOT SOME AT 1230 TODAY. SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMFORT IN THAT. WELL, REMEMBER, THE NEW FORMAT WOULD START FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, NOT FOR TODAY'S MEETING. SO FOR TODAY'S MEETING, WE WOULD BE READING ALL OF THE LETTERS INTO THE RECORD THAT WE RECEIVED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STILL DOING TODAY. THE NEW PROCEDURES WOULD START IN SEPTEMBER FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, AND ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE GETTING THOSE, THOSE COPIES OF THE LETTERS TUESDAY MORNING, UNLESS THE COMMISSION WANTS US TO MOVE UP THE DEADLINE TO FRIDAY AS THE DEADLINE TO RECEIVE LETTERS AND THEN US SENDING THEM ON MONDAY. I WOULD BE OPEN TO WHETHER THE COMMISSIONERS WANNA MOVE THAT DEADLINE UP. BUT I WOULD ALSO MAYBE OPT IN AS AN ALTERNATIVE, IS THAT YOU MAY NAME THE PEOPLE AND WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE PARTICULAR INFORMATION IS ABOUT THE CASE. WHETHER THEY'RE OPPOSED BECAUSE OF CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT WE SEE OFTEN OR WHETHER THEY'RE OPPOSED BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE DEVELOPMENT GOING IN RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO. I, I STILL FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOME DUE. THEY HAVE TAKEN TIME TO DO THAT. AND WHAT ELSE, WHAT I BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN HERE IS IF WE STOP MAKING IT A MATTER OF RECORD WHERE PEOPLE CAN HEAR THEIR NAMES OR WHATEVER THEY'RE OPPOSED TO, WE'LL START, WE'LL START HAVING MORE PHONE CALLS, WHICH IS FINE, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY ACCOMPLISHING WHAT I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO DO. SO COULD IT BE A POSSIBILITY THE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AND STAFF AND COMMISSIONER, WHAT IF WE DID HAVE A LIST THAT SAID, AND WE READ THE, THE NAMES AND THEN ABBREVIATED LIST OF CONCERNS. UH, BUT I, I WONDER. SO LET, LET ME THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. SO IF WE SET THE DEADLINE FOR, MAYBE WE SET A, A DEADLINE IF YOU WANT COMMISSIONERS TO BE ABLE TO READ IT IN A TIMELY MANNER, HAVE IT IN BY FRIDAY, BUT THAT, BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T FIND OUT UNTIL THE, I'VE BEEN THERE MANY A TIME DON'T FIND OUT TILL THE MORNING OF, SO THEY COULD STILL SEND IT IN. IT'S JUST NO GUARANTEE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, WOULD'VE GOTTEN A CHANCE TO READ IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALISTIC SCENARIO. WE COULD TAKE WHATEVER WE CAN GET OF OPPOSITION AND SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE WEEKEND. AND THEN IF WE, IF THEY STILL COME IN, IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULD STOP THEM FROM COMING, IT'S JUST THAT MAYBE NOT ALL COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE ABLE TO READ IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED. UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, ACTUALLY, UM, I JUST, THAT THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO DELIBERATE IT AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DISCUSS THIS WHEN WE'RE IN SESSION INSTEAD OF NOW. THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, UH, IN LIGHT OF THAT GOOD POINT. I'M GOING TO RESERVE MY COMMENT. [00:15:01] . COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT WAS THE REASONING WHY WE'RE GOING WITH THIS OTHER FORMAT? SO ACTUALLY THE, UM, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT GOING BACK TO MORE EFFICIENT MEETINGS AND GOING BACK TO THE WAY WE USED TO DO THE, UH, THESE MEETINGS WHEN WE WERE IN PERSON, WHEN WE WERE IN PERSON, WE WOULD, UH, LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW HOW MANY NOTICES RECEIVED IN COURT OR IN OPPOSITION, AND WE WOULD JUST REPORT THE NUMBER FOR EACH. UM, AND ITEMS WOULD REMAIN ON CONSENT. WE WOULD STILL REPORT THE NUMBER, BUT WE WOULDN'T READ THEM INTO THE RECORD. UH, THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED WITH THE VIRTUAL MEETING FORMAT TO, UH, READ THEM INTO THE RECORD. BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT EVEN IF THE ITEM WAS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT, WE WERE AUTOMATICALLY PULL PULLING THEM TO INDIVIDUAL TO READ THEM ALL INTO THE RECORD. AND THAT WAS MAKING, UH, THE MEETINGS RUN LONG. UM, AND SO THE, A DISCUSSION WAS HOW DO WE MOVE BACK TO HOW WE USED TO DO IT, BUT STILL INCORPORATE A WAY IN WHICH, UH, EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE, UH, RECEIVED. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH, UH, THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT A RESOLUTION. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND, AND COMMISSIONER JONES. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING THE DEADLINE, UH, FOR FRIDAY, A FRIDAY AFTERNOON PERIOD? I WOULD SAY THAT I, I BELIEVE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USED TO 4:00 PM MONDAY FOR DECADES, THAT IT WOULD BE CONFUSING. MM-HMM. . UM, I THINK THAT THE CHAIR ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION OF US EMAILING WHAT WE RECEIVED TO DATE BY FRIDAY, AND THEN ANY NEW ONES THAT WE RECEIVED BY TUESDAY MORNING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU RECEIVED THEM, UH, ON MONDAY. UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD PREFER THAT OPTION SO WE CAN KEEP THE DEADLINE, UH, FOR MONDAY AT FOUR. OKAY. THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE SO MUCH WORK FOR STAFF TO TRY TO GET ALL THOSE LAST MINUTE AND THEN US TRY TO READ 'EM. OKAY. I GUESS WE BETTER MOVE THAT TO DELIBERATION. CAN YOU BRING IT BACK UP IN THE, UH, MEETING, UH, WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE BRING THIS, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM, SO YOU CAN BRING THAT SURE. SURE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, MADAM CHAIR. YES. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY DELIBERATED IT A LONG TIME. I DIDN'T DELIBERATE ANYTHING ON THE QUESTION THAT I HAD TO ASK, SO I DO WONDER IF IT BEING AT FIRST THING SHOULD BE WHERE WE SHOULD PLACE IT AND NOT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA SO THE CASES CAN GET REVIEWED FIRST. MM-HMM. ? YEAH, I THINK SO. UM, THAT OKAY. UM, I GUESS, UH, HOW, YEAH. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING LONG, DOESN'T IT? SO IT MIGHT, UH, PUT THE CASES OFF. UH, AND LET ME SEE THE NEXT PAGE OF THE AGENDA. I MADE THE, UM, THIS, THE ITEM LIST, PLEASE. AND OH, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. UM, SO I GUESS COMMISSIONER RE IF WE DON'T MAKE IT BEFORE, UH, FOUR 30, 'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE. DO YOU HAVE ANY YOU WANT TO EMAIL YOUR COMMENTS TO ANYBODY OR YOUR THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS OR, I GUESS IF WE DON'T GET TO THIS BY FOUR 30, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, UM, NOT DO WHAT I HAD TO DO, AND I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE CHANGING THE ORDER WHEN THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED TO THE PUBLIC. YEAH, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR. IT'S THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION IF SHE WANTS TO KEEP IT AS NUMBER ONE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. WELL, LET'S, LET'S LEAVE IT AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN HOPEFULLY, WE'LL, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE THAT MANY STICKING POINTS, I DON'T THINK. I HOPE NOT. WE'LL FIND OUT. MM-HMM. , IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THERE, SO LET'S LEAVE IT AT THE BEGINNING. AND, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS FAR AS, UM, CASES OR ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO THE HEARING? UM, LET'S SEE. SO CAN I SEE THE SECOND PAGE AGAIN, PLEASE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER WHITE. YOU OKAY WITH THE, UH, AGENDA AS WE HAVE IT? AND THEN, AND IF THAT, WE CAN TAKE A QUICK RECESS. WE'RE GONNA, UM, [00:20:01] I GUESS ONCE YOU'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS, WE WANNA TEST THE VOICEMAIL ONCE YOU DO A RECESS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS HAS HER HANDS UP HAND. HAND UP. OKAY. SO IF WE DELIBERATE THIS, UH, AT THE BEGINNING, DO WE EACH HAVE 10 MINUTES SPEAK FIVE MINUTES? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DELIBERATION PROCESS? YES. I THINK WE WOULD ESTABLISH THE SAME PARAMETERS WE'VE BEEN DOING. OKAY. WHICH IS 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND THEN QUESTIONS FOR FIVE MINUTES. IT'S, UH, TWO, TWO ROUNDS OF QUESTIONS. 10 MINUTES. THE FIRST QUESTION, UH, FIVE MINUTES, THE SECOND QUESTION, AND THEN WE, UM, COMMENTS WEREN'T LIMITED. WHAT WAS THE COMMENTS? UH, FIVE MINUTES, UNLESS YOU'RE THE HOME COMMISSIONER STAFF. WELL, THERE'S NO HOME COMMISSIONER I KNOW. YEAH. MM-HMM. , BUT I JUST WANNA, UNLESS YOU WANNA REDUCE THE TIME, IT, IT, WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING 10 MINUTES FIRST ROUND, FIVE MINUTES, SECOND ROUND. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHITE, YOU'RE MUTED. SIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. YEAH. UM, IS NUMBER 14? ITEM 14? WHERE IS THAT TODAY? IT'S ON A COMBINED. OKAY. YEAH, YOU'VE GOT MY RECUSAL THERE. SO IF WE DO ALL THOSE IN A LUMP SUM, HOW DO I HANDLE THAT? WE'RE GONNA DO THAT ONE SEPARATELY. WE'RE GONNA DO IT SEPARATELY. YES. GOT IT. GOT IT. OKAY, GREAT. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR? THAT'S IT. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL GET TO TAKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK, , AND THEN, UH, WHILE THE STAFF GETS TO TEST VOICEMAIL. GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT REZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY MEETING NOTICE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO INTO COMMISSION. OH MY GOODNESS. INTO SESSION. . MAY WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STAFF. [Roll Call: ] MAY WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HERE. COMMISSIONER JONES PRESENT. COMMISSIONER KAMIN. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER, WE PRESENT COMMISSIONER ROMERO PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS PRESENT. COMMISSIONER WHITE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SY. HERE. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE PRESENT AND CHAIR MCGEE PRESENT QUORUM IS PRESENT CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF C OVID 19? THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE CVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW DOT SAN ANTONIO DASSA SLASH DSV OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT. STAFF WILL READ INTO THE RECORD ANY EMAILS OR LETTERS RECEIVED, AND STAFF WILL ALSO PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE'LL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENTS. SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE STANDBY AS NEEDED. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. STAFF. WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF CONSENT, INDIVIDUAL POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS TODAY. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS [00:25:01] ARE ON COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER ONE, THESE ARE ITEMS NUMBER 5 6 8 9 11, 13, 15, 16, 17, AND 18. AND ITEM NUMBER 14 WILL BE ON A SECOND COMBINED HEARING FOR A RECUSAL FOR COMMISSIONER WHITE. ALL OF THE REMAINING ITEMS WILL BE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. [Items 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 13, 15, 16 - 18 ] MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BEGIN COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE? YES, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM OH TWO TO R FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 3 26 STREET, THERE WERE 24 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE IS IN THE COURT. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO R FIVE CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. AT 44 19 NORTH HIGHLAND ROAD, THERE WERE 17 NOTICES. MAIL NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND HEIN FOR INSURED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THERE WERE ALSO THREE NOTICES RECEIVED IN FAVOR FROM OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION CARRIED. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO C TWO CD FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, FULL SERVICE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 2 0 8 6 5 WEST INTERSTATE. 10. THERE WERE FIVE NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM FRIENDS OF SAN ANTONIO NATURAL AREAS. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE R A H O D TO R TWO A H O D LOCATED AT 1205 SOUTH OLIVE STREET. THERE WERE 25 NOTICE OF MAIL. NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION VISIT COURT ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO N A A H O D TO R TWO A H O D LOCATED AT 9 22 SOUTH PINE STREET. THERE WERE 31 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONED FROM ER TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLOOKED SLAVES REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED AT 9,300 OLD PEARSALL ROAD. THERE WERE SEVEN NOTICES MAIL ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE ACTIVE IN COMMUNITY EFFORT OR FROM SOUTHWEST COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO RE ZONE FROM I ONE TO MF 25 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 4,000 BLOCK OF WOODLAKE PARKWAY, THERE WERE SIX NOTICES MAILED. TWO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO ID C TWO WITH USE PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. M F 18, LIMITED DENSITY, MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND STONE FABRICATION. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT THREE 16 FOREST AVENUE. THERE WERE 14 NOTICES MOVED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO I D D TWO WITH USE PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2,600 BROADWAY STREET, THERE WERE 20 NOTICES FAILED. NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM WEST COURT ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 18 TO REZONE FROM I ONE F WITH SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR METAL PRODUCT FABRICATION TO T THREE A H O D LOCATED AT 1 0 2 JOHN ANN STREET. THERE WERE NINE NOTICES MAILED. SIX RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MADAM CHAIR, AT THIS TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO PATCH IN [00:30:01] A LIVE CALLER WHO IS SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. YES, PLEASE. ROSE HILL. ROSE HILL. ARE YOU THERE? YES. GO AHEAD MA'AM. YOU'RE ADDRESSING ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES. I'M CALLING IN REGARD TO 3 26, UH, UH, NIKA IN GOVERNMENT HILL. AND THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE IS OF, UH, THIS PROPERTY THAT IS C TWO. IT IS COMMERCIAL, GOING FROM COMMERCIAL BACK TO RESIDENTIAL. SINGLE FAMILY. THANK YOU. UM, SO YOU WERE JUST CALLING TO SAY YOU WERE IN SUPPORT OF THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT, YES MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, STEPH. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MA'AM, THAT'S ALL OF THE ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU. UM, IS THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS 5 6 8 9 11 13, 15, 16, 17, AND 18. SECOND. RIGHT. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. UM, SECONDED BY, UM, COMMISSIONER WHITE. UM, STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE. AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 ZERO. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO COMBINED HEARING TWO, UM, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE IS RECUSING AND HE WILL MUTE HIS MICROPHONE AND HIS CAMERA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. [14. 20-4669 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700166 (Council District 4): A request for a change in zoning from "I-2 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Heavy Industrial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District on 2.178 acres out of NCB 13659, generally located at 8019 Interstate Highway 35 South. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2020-11600046) (Victoria Castro, Planner, (210) 207-2736, Victoria.Castro@Sanantonio.gov, Development Services). ] THANK YOU MA'AM. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER TWO, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONED FROM I TWO TO C TWO. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED AT 89. I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY C TWO OR C THREE? UH, THE, THE DISPLAYS AT C THREE. IT IS C TWO. OKAY. THE APPLICANT AMENDED THEIR REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. DURING THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S JUST THE TYPO WHERE YOU'RE SEEING IT. OKAY. UM, IT'S I TWO TO C TWO. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AT 80 19 INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35 SOUTH. THERE WERE 15 NOTICES MAILED. ONE IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER KAMATH. UH, WE, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ZONING APPLICATION AS AMENDED FOR ITEM NUMBER 14. THANKS. SECOND JONES. ALRIGHT, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER KAMATH. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KING KAMAN. YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER WHITE IS RECUSED. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SYKE? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE AYE. AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'LL LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER WHITE IS COMING BACK INTO THE MEETING. COMMISSIONER WHITE'S, CAMERA'S UNMUTED. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. OKAY, COMMISSIONER, [1. 20-4948 Discussion and Consideration of an amended Resolution adopting changes to the Commission Meeting Format. ] UH, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS, UM, A RESO A CONSIDERATION DISCUSSION OF A RESOLUTION, UH, THAT WOULD AMEND A PREVIOUS RESOLUTION, [00:35:01] UH, THAT A PREVIOUS ZONING COMMISSION HAD DONE BEFORE IN ORDER TO, UH, ESTABLISH, UH, CHANGES TO OUR ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FORMAT. NOW THAT WE'VE MOVED INTO A MORE VIRTUAL, UH, WORLD BEFORE WE GO BACK TO IN PERSON MEETING. SO I OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. AND WHAT WE'LL PUT UP FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN IS A MARKED UP VERSION OF THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, RESOLUTION. CAN YOU SHOW THE TWO PAGE VIEW? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL BE TOO TINY FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU PUT IT ON THE TWO PAGE RULE, IT, IT MIGHT BE TOO SMALL ON THE SCREEN. MM-HMM. , BUT WE CAN TRY TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SEE IF THAT WORKS FOR PEOPLE. WORKS FOR ME, BUT, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR, UM, INPUT. UH, BY SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE, POLICE COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UM, I THINK GENERALLY I AM IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENTS, UH, TO THIS RESOLUTION. THERE ARE FURTHER AMENDMENTS, UH, THAT I WOULD MAKE, AND I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER THOSE NOW. THEY ARE UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. AND WITH RESPECT TO, THEY'RE BOTH IN REGARDS TO PARAGRAPH THREE. UH, THE FIRST CHANGES ARE TO THREE A, UH, WHICH SETS FORTH KIND OF WHAT CASES ARE CONSIDERED OR DEFINED TO BE, UH, CONSENT CASES. UM, AND LARGELY THIS IS SORT OF SOME WORDSMITHING FOR, UH, THE PARAGRAPH THAT WAS PROVIDED BY STAFF WITH RESPECT TO THE RESOLUTION. UM, JUST TO MAKE IT READ A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IN MY OPINION. UH, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE FOURTH ITEM, THERE IS SOME SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE REGARDING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROVAL FROM THE RESIDENT COMMISSIONER. I THINK THAT THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO VIEW THE CONSENT AGENDA IS THAT THERE IS NO OBJECTION, NOT JUST AN APPROVAL, BUT THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM ANY COMMISSIONER. AND ANY COMMISSIONER DOESN'T JUST HAVE TO OBJECT, BUT CAN SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THAT ITEM. AND IF THEY DO, WHETHER OBJECT OR SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, THAT THAT ITEM WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT DOCKET. WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE SECOND AMENDMENT THAT I WOULD MAKE IS, UH, IN REGARDS TO PARAGRAPH THREE B TWO, UH, THE CHANGE I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, GIVEN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY IS TO MAKE IT EXPLICITLY CLEAR, UH, THAT NOT ONLY WILL THE COMMISSIONERS GET THE LETTERS OF VARIOUS CONSTITUENTS SEEKING, UH, INPUT ON THESE MATTERS, AND THAT NOT ONLY WILL THEY BE READ IN SUMMARY INTO THE RECORD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED, BUT THAT ANY COMMISSIONER CAN HAVE THE RIGHT, THE ABILITY TO REQUEST THAT ANY LETTER OR ALL LETTERS, WHETHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, BE READ INTO THE RECORD INDIVIDUALLY. UH, IF THERE IS A CONCERN THAT SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO SOMETHING THE COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO BE PUT ON THE RECORD. UH, I THINK THIS IS A, UH, A HAPPY MEDIUM. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MANY MEETINGS THAT HAVE LOST LASTED HOURS AND HOURS. UH, AS WE'VE GONE INTO THIS VIRTUAL WORLD, WE'VE HAD MANY INSTANCES WHERE LETTERS THAT ARE STRIKINGLY SIMILAR HAVE BEEN READ AND EATEN UP A GREAT DEAL OF TIME. AND SO I THINK THIS ALLOWS ONE, THE OVERALL SENSE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO BE PUT ON THE RECORD WITH RESPECT TO THIS, YOU KNOW, NUMBER IN FAVOR, NUMBER OPPOSED, BUT ALSO FOR THOSE ISSUES THAT WE THINK ARE PARTICULARLY WORTHY OF EXPLORATION OR DISCUSSION, A COMMISSIONER TO SPECIFICALLY OR GENERALLY, UH, PULL OUT THOSE LETTERS, UH, TO BE PUT ON THE RECORD. SO I THINK THAT GIVES THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. POINT OF ORDER, MADAM CHAIR? UH, UH, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. IS, UH, IS THE COMMISSIONER MAKING A, A AN AMENDMENT TO ITEM NUMBER THREE AND, AND THEN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR PARAGRAPH THREE? SO, SO HE IS, HE HAS MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT HE IS MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO, OR IS I I HAVE NOT YET MADE AN AMENDMENT. I'M SORRY. MADAM CHAIR. PARDON ME? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. GO AHEAD. FORGIVE ME. MADAM CHAIR. UH, I HAVE NOT YET MADE AN AMENDMENT. I WAS SIMPLY PUTTING THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE UP FOR DISCUSSION. UM, YOU KNOW, I HOPE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT AFTER WE'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO DIS TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS AMENDMENT, UM, ONCE [00:40:01] WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT. BUT I DID NOT WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT OR A MOTION FOR AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME. SO WHAT IS IT? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING? HE, HE'S, I THINK WE'RE DISCUSSING BOTH THE GENERAL AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THESE POSSIBLE CHANGES. IT'S JUST NOT A SUMPTION YET. IT'S NOT A UL YET. WE'RE JUST HAVING DISCUSSION. AND IF IT'S A SUGGESTION, WELL, I DON'T HAVE THE FULL RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF ME. I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. IF I, IF I GET OUT TO READ IT, I GET BUMPED OUT. SO IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD DO DUAL SCREEN STAFF OF THE RESOLUTION? OH, IT WOULD SEEM, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME IF HE'S PRESENTING A, JUST SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION. SO HE OUGHT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH WHAT HE PRE JUST PRESENTED. I AM NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR. OKAY. SO THEN THERE NO MOTION ON, SO THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DISCUSS? THAT'S CORRECT. AT THIS TIME THERE IS NOT. OKAY. BUT WE'RE DISCUSSING THE FULL RESOLUTION THEN, CORRECT. MADAM CHAIR? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP NEXT. YES. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THIS CAN BE VERY PAINFUL WITH THE CHANGE NOW. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR EFFICIENCIES HERE. BUT I WOULD QUESTION, UM, JUST FOR ANYONE LISTENING AT THIS POINT, IS THIS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED? YES. CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT READ INTO THE RECORD. ANY LETTERS SUBMITTED IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION? UH, THERE ARE NO VOICEMAIL OPTIONS AT CITY COUNCIL EITHER. WHAT THEY HAVE IS, UH, LIVE CALLERS, UM, THAT WILL BE PATCHED INTO THE MEETING, UH, WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP FOR CONSIDERATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I, I CAN AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER BUS'S, UM, UM, ALTERNATIVES FOR SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THIS RESOLUTION AND POINT OF ORDER. MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE DID NOT PRESENT A MOTION TO AMEND. I DID NOT USE THE WORD MOTION. I SAID ALTERNATIVE DISCUSSION. YOU DISCUSSING IT? THIS IS MY TIME, MADAM, PLEASE. I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER ON THE, ON THE FLOOR, UH, COMMISSION. SO COPY IT TO THE CHAIR. UH, LET ME JUST CHECK. I, I, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY MOTIONS, WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING, SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET CLARITY BEFORE WE MAKE, UH, ANY AMENDMENTS. IS THAT, UM, ALLOWABLE, UM, FOR OUR LEGAL STAFF. SO, CHAIR, YOU JUST HAVE TO RECOGNIZE WHO YOU WANNA SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY FORMAL, UM, MOTIONS OR AMENDMENTS YET. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DISCUSS WHAT'S HERE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY FORMAL. THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO FORMAL DISCUSSION. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORDING RIGHT HERE, SO WE'RE DISCUSSING THE RESOLUTION. YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. THANK YOU. UM, AS I WAS SAYING, I THINK THE POINTS THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS OFFERED UP FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ARE SOMETHING THAT TOUCHES ON THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ABOUT US BEING SURE THAT WE GET ALL OF THE VOICES ON RECORD. AND WHILE WE CAN'T READ VERBATIM EACH LETTER, WE CAN CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT MAY HAVE A CONCERN THAT WANNA BRING THAT TO, UH, A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF REVIEW. UM, AND AS LONG AS WE ARE MIRRORING IN EFFECT WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED, I THINK WE CAN, UH, WE CAN ALL COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON THIS, THESE CHANGES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? COMMISSIONER WHITE. YOU'RE ON MUTE, SIR. YOU WOULD THINK I WOULD GET THAT BY THIS POINT. UM, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR THREE B TWO THERE, THE PORTION IN BOLD, I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME, WE LEFT SOME WORDS OUT. DID WE WANT TO SAY THERE, AT THE ELECTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER, ANY LETTER OR ALL LETTERS RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION CAN BE READ. I THINK WE LEFT OUT SOME LANGUAGE, DIDN'T WE? MADAM CHAIR? I MIGHT ADDRESS THAT. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WYATT? UH, YES, IT SHOULD BE, UM, UH, ANY, ANY LETTER OR ALL LETTERS RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF A GIVEN ITEM, UM, SHALL BE READ IN THE RECORD. RIGHT? THAT'S OKAY. SO, YEAH, I, I, I APOLOGIZE. I I WAS RUSHING THIS AND FORGOTTEN MY LAST PHRASE, . NO, NO, NO, I GET IT. I GET IT. UM, SO THAT [00:45:01] WAS MY, MY ONE THING. THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS, UM, RATHER THAN READING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 10 IN FAVOR OR, AND FOUR AGAINST. DO WE WANNA LIST THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD SAY, THERE ARE 10 IN FAVOR AND HERE ARE THEIR NAMES, DA, DA, DA, AND FOUR AGAINST. AND HERE ARE THEIR NAMES, DA, DA, DA. POINT OF ORDER, POINT OF ORDER. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION HERE. SO, COMMISSIONER WHITE, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE RESOLUTION ITSELF 0.32? OR YOU, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A NON MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE OF A PROPOSED LANGUAGE? PARAGRAPH THREE B TWO. WHAT ARE YOU DISCUSSING? MADAM CHAIR? UM, AND IF I, IF I MAY CHAIR, I CAN CHIME IN. I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ON THE SCREEN THAT IT'S ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. SO IF YOU GO TO ITEM THREE, B TWO, UM, ZOOM IN, MICHAEL, FOR RIGHT THERE FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS, STAFF WILL READ INTO THE CON INTO THE RECORD THE CONSENT ITEMS AND INDICATE FOR THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD, THE NUMBER OF LETTERS RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. RIGHT? SO, BELIEVE IT. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE IS ASKING, SHOULD WE ALSO READ INTO THE RECORD, NOT JUST THE NUMBER, BUT THE NAME. UM, I WANTED TO, UH, UH, CHIME IN HERE AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WHAT, WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED IN THE MINUTES IS THAT WE PUT THE NAMES OF EVERYBODY WHO HAS WRITTEN IN A LETTER IN SUPPORT OR AN OPPOSITION. SO THEY ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD ALREADY. UM, THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SATISFIES THE CONCERN RATHER THAN READING ALL THE NAMES DURING THE LIVE MEETING. BUT WE ARE ALREADY INCLUDING THEM IN THE MINUTES. YEAH, I, I, I JUST, THAT THAT WORKS FOR ME. I JUST FIGURE WE SHOULD HAVE A RECORD OF ACTUALLY THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE FOR OR AGAINST. SO IF IT'S IN THE MINUTES, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. OKAY. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. UM, SO I MAKE A MOTION ON THREE B TWO THAT, UH, WOULD AMEND IT FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS. STAFF WILL READ INTO THE RECORD ALL LETTERS RECEIVED WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON CASE ALL CASES. OKAY, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR, UM, A SECOND HEARING, NO SECOND. UM, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE MY CHEAT SEAT UP. . UM, I GUESS THE MOTION, UH, FAILS. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS M CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND ITEM NUMBER THREE B TWO, THAT ALL VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH THE ZONING COMMISSION AND ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVE ALL, ALL, UH, EMAILS AND HAVE ALL EMAILS READ INTO THE RECORD, UNLESS ON THAT PARTICULAR MEETING IT IS, IT IS, UH, MODIFIED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION TO ONLY HAVE THEM READ AS TO HOW MANY OPPOSED AND HOW MANY, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ANY SECONDS, I'D APPRECIATE A SECOND. SO I COULD DEBATE MY MOTION AND THEN YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IT. UM, AS A COURTESY TO, TO, TO COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I WILL, I WILL SECOND IT SO THAT, UM, WE CAN HEAR FROM THE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. SO, UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, YOU WANTED TO START OFF? I DO FEEL THAT ONE, WE ARE NOT CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD. AND HOW DO WE BEST ADVISE CITY COUNCIL IF WE'VE NOT HEARD THOSE, THOSE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS AND THE PUBLIC? I THINK THAT, THAT WHAT WE ARE CREATING, OR MAYBE WHAT WE ALREADY HAD WAS ALMOST A LACK OF EQUITY TO THE ENTIRE CITY IN THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK DURING THE DAY AND COULD NEVER COME DOWN TO ZONING TO STAND OR WAIT. SO THEY COULD SPEAK ON A CASE OR THEY HAD TO TAKE OFF THE DAY. NOW WE'VE MADE IT MORE EQUITABLE SO THAT THE WORKING CLASS, SO THAT THOSE WHO HAVE JOBS, UH, AND THOSE WHO DON'T ALL CAN PARTICIPATE IN A VERY OPEN FORUM. NOW, I'M TRYING, I UNDERSTAND THE STREAMLINING, I UNDERSTAND SOME OF US DON'T LIKE TO SIT HERE ALL DAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TWO DAYS OUT OF A MONTH, I HEAR [00:50:01] THESE CASES, BUT THIS IS PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND THEIR LAND MATTERS TO THEM. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR ALL THESE THAT ARE READ AND BROUGHT INTO THE RECORD. OR IF THE CASES ARE LONG THAT DAY, THEN WE CAN SUSPEND THE RULE AND MAKE A, A SUPPLEMENTAL RULE FOR THAT MEETING. THAT SAYS WE'RE ONLY HERE. WE ONLY TAKE THE LIST OF THOSE OPPOSED AND THOSE FOUR. BUT TO, TO, WE'VE ALREADY SET A PRECEDENT. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT THIS WAY. I'M A LITTLE BIT SAD THAT MAYBE BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GETTING TIRED OF LONG MEETINGS, WE WANNA CHANGE IT WHEN WE'VE MADE IT MORE EQUITABLE. EVERYBODY CAN JOIN IN NOW WHEN BEFORE IT WAS, IT WAS NOT. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, SHOW OF HANDS, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION? OKAY, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND YES. UM, I, I RESPECT, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS' POINTS. UM, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I AGREE ABOUT READING ALL LETTERS IN SUPPORT NECESSARILY, UM, I WOULD FEEL THAT READING LETTERS OF OPPOSITION WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, AT LEAST I THINK MORE HELPFUL. UM, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSENT ITEMS, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S MAYBE NOT NECESSARY FOR ALL OF THE SUPPORT LETTERS TO BE READ. UM, I KNOW THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T CHANGE A LOT AS FAR AS TIMING, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T SEND LETTERS IN SUPPORT ANYWAY. BUT, UM, BUT I, I DO, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SILENCING ANY VOICES. UM, I DO THINK ALSO THAT WE HAVE TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, DRAGGING THESE MEETINGS OUT UNNECESSARILY. I, I NOTE THAT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY ON CONSENT ITEMS, BUT ON OTHER ITEMS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HEAR MAYBE ONE PERSON'S COMMENTS THREE TIMES. WE'LL HEAR A LETTER, THERE'LL BE A VOICEMAIL AND A LIVE CALLER. AND I THINK THAT THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO A LOT OF THE INEFFICIENCIES OF OUR MEETINGS. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO, UM, NOT BE THE CASE BECAUSE I THINK CERTAIN PEOPLE PROBABLY WHOSE VOICES, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE HEARD, UM, THEY MAY PICK ONE OF THOSE NOT REALIZING IF THEY DO ALL THREE, THAT THEY COULD ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THEIR MINUTES. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON IT. SO, UH, I'M NOT NECESSARILY, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO READ ALL LETTERS ALL THE TIME, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO SILENCE ANYONE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. WELL, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. AND, AND CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND I STRONGLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, THAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, IS TO MAKE SURE THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE HAD A, A VOICE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, JOB CONCERNS BECAUSE OF FAMILY OBLIGATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IS IMPORTANT. UM, WHERE I TAKE SOME ISSUE WITH, UH, THE MOTION AS MADE IS SETTING THE DEFAULT TO BE, TO READ ALL OF THEM AND, AND HAVING THAT FOR EACH INSTANCE AND EACH ITEM, UH, TO BE READ. I THINK A BETTER DEFAULT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR US AS COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW THE LETTERS, WHICH WILL BE DELIVERED ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN. AND THEN IF THERE IS A VOICE THAT WE PARTICULARLY WANT TO BE HEARD OR WE WANT TO BE READ IN THE RECORD, WE CAN THEN SELECT THOSE ITEMS FOR, OR RATHER THOSE LETTERS FOR ANY PARTICULAR ITEM. AND SO THE DEFAULT IS TO LET US DO OUR JOB, READ THOSE LETTERS, UH, WHERE, WHERE THERE'S ONE THAT SPEAKS TO US, WHERE THERE'S ONE THAT REFLECTS SOME CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, WE CAN ELECT TO READ THOSE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS HERE. UM, I THINK THAT IS A BETTER SOLUTION. UM, I HOPE THAT IS WHAT I WILL EVENTUALLY MOVE TO AMEND THREE B TWO TO REPRESENT AT SOME POINT. UM, BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY IGNORING THOSE THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF, OF A, UM, ITEM AS WELL, BECAUSE IT GIVES A LOPSIDED VIEW OF WHERE IT IS. AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE MIGHT BE RIGHT, BUT BECAUSE THOSE LETTERS IN FAVOR ARE MUCH RARER THAN THOSE OPPOSED, UH, IT MAY NOT MAKE THAT BIG A DIFFERENCE, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BOTH. AND I THINK THAT BY GIVING THE POWER TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER [00:55:01] TO ELECT FOR AN ITEM AND TO ELECT FOR A SPECIFIC LETTER, WE CAN GET A BALANCE BASED ON THE SPECIFIC ITEM AND THE SPECIFIC INTERESTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS. IF SOMEONE PICKS ONE THAT'S OPPOSED, PERHAPS SOMEONE ELSE WILL PICK ONE THAT'S IN FAVOR AND THAT WE CAN GET A TRUE, UH, REFLECTION OF THE COMMUNITY'S INTEREST BY DOING THIS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO, UH, HAVE THEIR VOICE WITHOUT UNNECESSARILY DUPLICATING COMMENT AND EXTENDING OUR MEETINGS. THE POINT OF INFORMATION, MADAM CHAIR TO, TO STAFF, IF YOU'RE SENDING THESE LETTERS TO US INDIVIDUALLY BY EMAIL, THE OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT, DOES THAT VIOLATE OPA MEETINGS? NO, IT DOES NOT. IT'S JUST, UH, PROVIDING YOU WITH THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED UP TO, UH, DATE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN WORK SESSION WOULD BE THAT, UM, SO YOU COULD GET THEM TIMELY. UH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT SENDING IT AS, UM, AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY. SO THAT WAY SOMEBODY WHO HITS REPLY TO ALL ACCIDENTALLY, UH, UH OH ENDS UP VIOLATING OPEN MEETINGS. BUT WE'RE JUST FORWARDING YOU THE INFORMATION. WE WOULD FORWARD YOU WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED UP TO DATE ON, UH, FRIDAY, AND THEN WE WOULD SEND YOU ON, UH, TUESDAY MORNING ANYTHING THAT WE RECEIVED OVER THE WEEKEND AND ON MONDAYS. UH, SO YOU WOULD RECEIVE, UH, ESSENTIALLY TWO MEAL, UH, TWO EMAILS WHERE YOU CAN GIVE THEM TIMELY. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST IN, UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF ANY, UH, CHANGES, UH, RELATED TO AUGMENTING THE READING OF THE LETTERS OR AUGMENTING, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION CAN PULL, UM, OR HAVE THE LETTERS READ IT, SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION IS MAYBE CONSIDERING THAT, UH, THE LANGUAGE BE ADDED THAT WOULD SAY AT THE ELECTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER AND AGREED UPON BY MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION, ANY LETTER OR ALL LETTERS RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF A GIVEN ITEM SHALL BE READ FOR THE RECORD. THAT WAY IT CONSIDERS ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS RELATED TO THAT ONE ITEM. COMMERS, THIS IS SUSAN. TWO THINGS. I WOULD URGE THAT WHATEVER POSITION YOU TAKE, YOU BE EQUAL AND CONSISTENT, THAT YOU DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE. AND SECOND, SOMETIMES SOME LETTERS, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THE WRITER IS ADVOCATING THAT THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST. SOMETIMES IT'S A QUESTION. SOME, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST GENERAL LIFE CONCERN. SO NOT EVERYTHING FITS INTO SUPPORTER, UH, OPPOSITION, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHY WE WOULD ADVOCATE THAT IF AN ITEM IS PULLED, UH, TO READ THESE LETTERS, THAT WE WOULD READ ALL OF 'EM AND NOT JUST SELECT A A FEW. OKAY. WAIT, UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UH, WHAT'S NEXT? AND THEN I'LL COMMISSIONER ROMERO. UM, THANKS. I LOST MY TRAIN A LITTLE BIT. UM, I WAS GOING TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UM, STRUCTURE IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS IN MY HEAD AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF THE DEFAULT IS THAT WE DON'T READ ALL OF THEM, THEN IT'S REALLY CLEAR WHY SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO READ THEM BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT IN THE DISTRICT JUST 'CAUSE THEY, THEY WANNA HEAR THAT VOICE. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH HOW IT WOULD BE, IF THE DEFAULT IS THAT WE DO READ ALL OF THEM, WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR MAKING A MOTION NOT TO HEAR THEM IN A PARTICULAR CASE THAT, OH, WE DON'T WANNA HEAR YOU. IT WOULD BE VERY, IT WOULD JUST BE VERY DISMISSIVE TO THE PUBLIC. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THE APPROPRIATE JUSTIFICATION WOULD BE FOR THAT IF THE POLICY IS THAT EVERYTHING IS READ, AND THEN WHAT COULD BE OUR JUSTIFICATION THAT WE JUST DON'T WANNA HEAR FROM YOU. SO IT JUST, IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. I DON'T, I'M SAYING THIS AS CLEARLY AS I COULD, BUT THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME, UH, THE WAY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE PUT IT OUT THERE TO HAVE THAT BE THE DEFAULT. AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT IN TERMS OF THE LONG MEETINGS, UM, IT IS A PAIN. AND I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S THAT WE JUST DON'T WANNA BE HERE. BUT ANOTHER THING I'VE BEEN THINKING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, I'LL INCLUDE MYSELF IN HERE. I'M NOT REAL, I'M NOT AS GOOD AFTER 10 HOURS, AS HOURS AS I MIGHT BE AT THE BEGINNING. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY FAIR TO THE PUBLIC THAT, THAT WE'RE HAVING MEETINGS THAT GO SO LONG THAT WE'RE EXHAUSTED. AND I MEAN, WE DON'T GET BREAKS. WE'RE NOT REALLY EATING. YOU CAN'T GO TO THE RESTROOM IF YOU HAVE TO. I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT START TO DEGRADE A MEETING WHEN YOU GO FOR THAT LONG. AND, UM, I, I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE PUBLIC. SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE WEIGHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS. AND ALRIGHT, I, UM, ALSO, I'M, I'M JUST GOING BACK TO HOW WE DID IT PRIOR TO, UM, UH, THE PANDEMIC. SO PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, WE WOULD, [01:00:01] THE RESIDENT COMMISSIONER WOULD RECEIVE THE LETTERS AND READ THE LETTERS SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD HAVE A VOICE. LIKE I WAS STILL GOING THROUGH LETTERS, LIKE EVEN WHEN WE WERE IN WORK SESSION, GETTING, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN HEAR AND SEE, UM, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND HOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ACCOMMODATED OR NOT. BUT NOW I THINK THE WAY THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING IT NOW IS THAT BECAUSE I USED TO FEEL LIKE I WISH I COULD GET ALL THE LETTERS NO MATTER WHAT CASE IT IS, SO I COULD HAVE BETTER QUESTIONS. AND SO NOW I FEEL LIKE THIS WAY, UM, SINCE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, GOD BLESS YOU AND BE AWARE WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, NO , BUT NOW YOU'LL GET TO RECEIVE ALL OF THE LETTERS NO RE REGARDLESS OF WHAT DISTRICT IT IS THAT CAN HELP YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR ALL OF THE CASES. AND I, SO I LIKE THIS METHOD BETTER NOW THAT I GET TO SEE ALL OF THE LETTERS FOR, AND HEAR ALL THE VOICES FROM ALL THE INDIVIDUALS, FROM ALL THE DISTRICTS. SO TO ME, GOING BACK TO THE, UM, WAY WE DID IT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC WHERE WE STILL READ THE LETTERS, UM, THAT WE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL, BUT NOW I THINK IT'S ENHANCED WELL, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS ANYWAY. SO THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. OKAY. UM, ANYBODY ELSE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN FOR THE FIRST TIME? ANY OTHER ON THIS PARTICULAR POINT? OKAY, IF UH, NOT THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS HAD A SECOND POINT. YEAH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I COMMISSIONER. WE JUST RAISED HIS HAND. HE WAS, HE HADN'T GONE FIRST ON THIS POINT. COMMISSIONER, WE THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I THINK COMMISSIONER ROMERO HAS A REALLY GOOD POINT. IT'S NOT REALLY JUST ABOUT US AS COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. THERE'S ALSO THE PUBLIC RIGHT TO DECIDE. WE HAVE HANG ON FOR EIGHT HOURS, THEY HAVE TO HANG ON FOR EIGHT HOURS AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FOLKS MAY HAVE TO THINK THEY HAVE TO DO LIKE JOBS AND FAMILY. SO AGAIN, AS WE IMPROVE OUR EFFICIENCIES, WE ONLY HELP OUR PUBLIC IN DOING IN SERVICE. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE OUR EFFICIENCY ON, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, WE, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I, I'M SORRY. DEMOCRACY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MESSY. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING. YOU'RE GOING TO SEND US ALL EMAILS THAT WERE RECEIVED ON CASES AND THEN WE GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH OF THOSE EMAILS ARE GOING TO GET READ. HOW IS THAT NOT VIOLATING OPEN MEETINGS? IF AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING YOU SAID TO THE PUBLIC THEY CAN COMMENT PUBLICLY VIA EMAIL, CALL IN BALLOON IN THE AIR, I, YOU KNOW, SO HOW IS, HOW ARE WE NOT, HOW IS THIS NOT VIOLATING OPEN MEETINGS WHEN PEOPLE WRITE A, AN EMAIL AND THE COMMISSIONERS CHOOSE WHETHER WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO YOUR EMAIL? SO, I MEAN, THAT EVEN SOUNDS LIKE THAT SOUNDS EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT, WHAT, I MEAN WE'RE ALL SAYING WE'RE ONLY GONNA PICK AND CHOOSE EMAILS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE HERE ALL NIGHT AND I HAVEN'T EATEN TODAY. I MEAN, WE'RE ALL AT OUR DESK AND YOU CAN MUTE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SCREEN AND GO GET A SANDWICH. THIS IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT. BUT I, I DON'T SEE HOW, HOW THAT IS NOT VIOLATING OPEN MEETINGS ACT BY RECEIVING EMAILS, BUT PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH ONES THANK, THANK YOU STAFF. OKAY. SO, UM, WHAT I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER WAS THAT, UM, WE PROVIDE, UH, INFORMATION TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONS. UM, AND UH, WHAT WE'VE, UH, OFFERED TO AUGMENT THIS, WHICH LEGAL IS AN AGREEMENT WITH, IS THAT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, WOULD BE SENT, UH, THE LETTERS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION. IF THERE IS, UH, LETTERS THAT YOU RECEIVED TO A PARTICULAR CASE, UH, THAT CAUSES, UH, CONCERN AND A COMMISSIONER SAYS, UM, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO PULL SUCH AND SUCH ITEM DOWN. IT'S NOT ABOUT PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH EMAILS OR LETTERS TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD. YOU WOULD READ ALL OF THEM RELATED TO THAT CASE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ONLY, BUT ONLY TO THAT CASE. SO THEN ALL THE OTHER CASES, THOSE DON'T GET READ UNLESS SOMEBODY ASKS. I GUESS I COULD ASK FOR EVERY EMAIL THAT HAS BEEN, EVERY CASE THAT HAS RECEIVED AN EMAIL, I WOULD LIKE THOSE CASES READ. I GUESS I COULD GO AROUND IT THAT WAY. SO THE PUBLIC HAS THEIR DUE PROCESS BECAUSE I FIND THIS, I FIND IT, UH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WHAT AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE DIDN'T READ THEM INTO THE RECORD. YEAH, SO I GET, I GET THAT INPUT, UH, PROCEDURES DURING THESE VIRTUAL MEETINGS. I, I GET THAT, BUT [01:05:01] I THINK AS FAR AS EQUITY GOES, THIS IS FAR MORE EQUITABLE THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. AND, AND LIKE I, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE WOULD THEN YOU WOULD PULL 'EM OFF OF THE CONSENT ONTO INDIVIDUAL. WE WOULD READ ALL OF THE LETTERS. UM, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, YOU COULD ADD IN THERE IN THAT STATEMENT THAT AT THE ELECTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER AND AGREED UPON BY A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, THAT ANY LETTER OR ALL LETTERS RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF A GIVEN ITEM SHALL BE READ FOR THE RECORD. UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL COULD CONSIDER AS WELL. I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, STATEMENT THAT I READ AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, DEPENDING UPON THE DECISION OF THE RESOLUTION AND THE MEETING FORMAT, THAT STATEMENT WOULD BE REVISED, UH, TO REFLECT THE NEW MEETING PROCEDURES. THE REASON WHY THAT WAS READ AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING IS BECAUSE WE ARE, UH, DOING THE STATUS QUO OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS FOR TODAY. UH, SO AGAIN, THAT STATEMENT WOULD BE REVISED DEPENDENT UPON, UH, THE DECISION, UH, UH, FOR, FOR THE RESOLUTION FROM TODAY'S COMMISSION. SO TO ME, I, I, I GUESS I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEIR VOICES ARE BEING MUTED IF I'M, IF WE'RE READING THEIR LETTERS, UM, PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO I, I, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ME. OKAY. UM, ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, SO WE, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION, OKAY. UH, STAFF, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. WHAT, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? MADAM CHAIR? ARE WE VOTING ON THE MOTION? MR. ANTE'S NON MOTION MOTION OR ARE WE VOTING ON, YOU MADE A MOTION. WE'RE VOTING ON MY MOTION? YES. OKAY. YES. IT WAS MADE BY VOTING BY, YES. THAT'S THE ONE I HAVE IN FRONT AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. CORRECT? THAT'S ONE I HAVE. WAS IT AMENDED BY, BY BUS? NO, IT WASN'T AMENDED COMMISSIONER. UM, OKAY. NO, IT WASN'T AMENDED. COMMISSIONER, WE, BEFORE WE CALL THE MOTION MADAM CHAIR, COULD YOU, UH, HAVE THE STAFF READ BACK THE MOTION PLEASE? YES. STAFF. WOULD YOU PLEASE READ BACK THE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WHITES? ALRIGHT, SO LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS RIGHT, THAT IN ALL VIRTUAL MEETINGS, UM, ANY, UH, EMAILS, WRITTEN LETTERS, UH, RECEIVED WILL BE READ INTO THE RECORD FOR EVERY MEETING FOR ALL ITEMS, OR THE COMMISSION COULD OPT NOT TO HAVE THEM READ FOR THAT ITEM. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE LATTER PART. I DID NOT INSERT THAT LAST SENTENCE. SO THEY'RE EITHER READ INTO THE RECORD OR THE COMMISSION COULD OPT NOT TO READ THEM? NO, THEY'RE ALL READ IN THE RECORD. OKAY. SO STRIKE OUT THE LAST ONE SO THAT ALL FOR ALL VIRTUAL MEETINGS, ANY EMAILS, LETTERS RECEIVED, WILL, WILL ALL BE READ INTO THE RECORD FOR EVERY ITEM, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE YOU READY FOR VO CHAIR? THE FOR SORRY, MADAM CHAIR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GREENHOUSE. YES. CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION. SO, COMMISSIONER GREENHOUSE. SO MY CONCERN AGAIN WAS THE DUPLICATION OF LETTER, VOICEMAIL, AND LIVE COLLAR. AND HOW ARE WE, OR HOW IS STAFF GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT? 'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A LARGE PART OF, UM, OF, OF THE DELAY THAT WE'RE GETTING. YOU KNOW, I THINK ON LIKE ONE OF OUR FIRST MEETINGS, I, THERE WAS LIKE A PERSON WHO HAD, WHO DID ALL THREE, AND, AND IT WAS THE EXACT SAME LETTER, VOICEMAIL, PHONE CALL, AND IT WAS JUST A REPETITION. SO IS THERE SOME MECHANISM IN PLACE THAT WE CAN GET? 'CAUSE AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS WE'RE NOT SILENCING ANYONE AND THAT WE'RE HAVING A CHANCE FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD, BUT NOT FOR US TO HAVE THAT REPEATED MULTIPLE TIMES. I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, JUST TO HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER GRAU FOR THE PAST, UM, I WOULD SAY SINCE STARTING IN JULY, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, ONLY EITHER, UM, HAVE THEM CALL IN IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT WE WOULDN'T DO ALL THREE. UH, WE DID NOTICE THAT WE WERE DOING THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, UH, WHEN WE STARTED THESE VIRTUAL MEETINGS. BUT FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MEETINGS, WE'VE STOPPED DOING THAT. SO THAT SHOULD ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, MADAM CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I MEAN, WE COULD, I COULD SAY AT THE END OF THAT MOTION, AS LONG AS THESE ARE NOT DUPLICATIONS OF ANY CALL-INS OR VOICE MESSAGES, YOU OFFICIALLY AMENDING THAT. [01:10:01] WELL, AND I'M ADDING THAT. I'M ADDING THAT MOTION, UH, THAT, THAT HELPS. UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. OKAY. UH, YEAH. ARE WE READY FOR A COMMISSIONER? GREAT. HOW'S AGAIN? SORRY. I JUST THINK I'M THINKING ABOUT LOGISTICS. SORRY TO DRAW THIS OUT, BUT, OKAY. SO I GUESS HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF THE LIVE CALLER, I GUESS SO SHOULD WE MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF ONE OF THE THREE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EITHER DOING THE LETTER YOU'RE CALLING IN, OR YOU'RE DOING THE VOICEMAIL, OR WE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS, YOU COULD WRITE A LETTER AND YOU COULD ALSO SHOW UP AND SPEAK PREVIOUSLY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WERE READING THE LETTERS INTO THE RECORD AT THAT POINT, LIKE, WHEN WE WERE HAVING LIVE MEETINGS. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK LIKE, HOW, HOW DO WE KIND OF CONTROL THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO? SO IF THEY HAVE CALLED US TO, UH, REQUEST A LIVE CALL BACK AND THEY, UH, SENT US A LETTER, WE, UH, PRE-CALL THEM BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS AND WE ASKED 'EM, DO YOU WANNA BE CALLED? OR DO YOU WANT US JUST TO READ YOUR LETTER? UH, THEY THEN OPT, UH, TO TELL US WHICH ONE THEY PREFER. UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA GIVE THEM AN OR OPTION WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UM, SEND IT IN. BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHEN WE HAD LIVE IN-PERSON MEETINGS. THEY WOULD SEND US A NOTICE AND THEY WOULD COME TO THE MEETING AND SPEAK. UM, BUT IF THEY'VE LEFT ALL THREE AGAIN, WHAT WE DO IS WE CALL THEM, WE ASK 'EM WHAT THEIR PREFERENCE IS BECAUSE THEY ONLY GET, UM, TO CHOOSE ONE. HOWEVER, BEFORE WE, UH, LOOPED THEM IN, UM, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CHRISTIE WILL SAY, UH, WE HAVE A LIVE CALLER. THEY ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER OR THEY ALSO SENT A VOICEMAIL, BUT THEY WANNA BE CALLED IN LIVE. AND THAT WAY WE AT LEAST RECOGNIZE THROUGH THE MEETING THAT THEY HAVE SENT OTHER, UM, FORMS OF COMMUNICATION. AND WE ALSO NOTED IN THE MINUTES AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ARE WE READY? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, NO. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. COMMISSIONER? WE? NO. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER SPICE? NO. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? NO. AND CHAIR MCGEE? NO. MOTION FAILS TO TONIGHT. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. I MOVED, I MOVED THE PARAGRAPH THREE B TWO, THE AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE AT THE END ON THE MOTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONER, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER PRESENT. ALL NON DUPLICATIVE LETTERS RECEIVED RELATED TO A GIVEN ITEM SHALL BE READ IN THE RECORD. AND I THINK I SAID RELATED. I MEANT RELATING SECOND ROMERO. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO. UH, DISCUSSION? SHOW OF HANDS. UH, COMMISSIONER JONES, THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. UH, BUT YOU'RE MUTED. COMMISSIONER JONES? UM, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF? THANK YOU. YES. SHE'S TYPING IT RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I I DIDN'T SEE WHERE HE, WHERE THAT RELATING IS IN THERE. MM-HMM. , SORRY, I, I, I CAN, I CAN READ IT AGAIN, IF THAT WOULD HELP. MM-HMM. , UM, ON THE MOTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT, ALL NON DUPLICATIVE LETTERS RECEIVED RELATING TO A GIVEN ITEM SHALL BE READ IN THE RECORD. OKAY. THANK YOU. HOLD ON A SECOND. LET ME, WE'RE STILL, IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER FOR US. HOLD ON. I WILL BE. THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE LAWYER MAKES THE MOTION. . THIS IS WHEN I SAY YOU TAKE THE SCREEN AND YOU CAN TYPE IT YOURSELF. IS THIS RIGHT SO FAR? WHAT ARE WE MISSING? SO, I, I DECIDED TO STRIKE THE ELECTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER, UH, BECAUSE THERE [01:15:01] IS THEN A VOTE. SO I SAID MOTION ON THE MOTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER. ALRIGHT. SO AT THE MOTION, ANY AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE YEAH. AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT, ALL LETTERS RECEIVED RELATING TO A GIVEN ITEM SHALL BE READ FOR THE RECORD. DOES THIS LOOK ACCURATE, SIR? UH, STRIKE AT AND THE FIRST WORD. AND ON, BUT THAT'S PERSNICKETY. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS DID, UH, OH, I HAVE A QUESTION, I GUESS FOR THE, UH, COMMISSIONER ON THE MOTION OF THE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. IS THE MOTION BEING GIVEN ON AT THE, ON THE FLOOR OR IS THIS IN WORK SESSION? UH, I BELIEVE THAT A MOTION THAT WOULD RELATE TO ANY ITEM WOULD HAVE TO BE GIVEN IN THE OPEN MEETING ON THE FLOOR. AND IF I MIGHT JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, ALL NON DUPLICATIVE LETTERS. WHERE IS THAT? ARE, ARE YOU FINISHED, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, NO. OKAY. SO IS THAT IS, OKAY. SO IT'S ALL UP THERE NOW? CORRECT. COMMISSIONER BIMO? UH, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS AMENDMENT BY STRIKING AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. OKAY. THERE'S A AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? WHO WAS THE SECOND FOR, UM, COMMISSIONER BUS'S ORIGINAL MOTION ROMERO RO. AND SO NOW THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND, UH, WHAT IS THE AMENDMENT AGAIN? MS. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS TO STRIKE THE WORDS. AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF A MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. I SEE. COMMISSIONER, WE, I GUESS WHEN WE CONCLUDE THE AMENDMENT, UH, OR LET ME SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND HERE. LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT, SO THE AMENDMENT, UM, THERE'S AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? AND WE CAN'T DISCUSS UNLESS I GET A SECOND. I GUESS WE DON'T WANNA DISCUSS THINGS, SO I SECOND IT. OKAY. SO, ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS STAFF'S TAKING GOOD NOTES 'CAUSE HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO WE DIDN'T, WE, WE DIDN'T FINISH THE FIRST DISCUSSION, BUT WE'RE ON AN AMENDMENT FOR THIS ONE. UH, IF THE MOTION, THE AMENDMENT WAS MADE BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND SECOND BY, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES. AND SO, UM, YES. I GUESS I'M WEAK ON MY ROBERTS RULE, SO WE DON'T HAVE, DO WE HAVE TO TAKE, SO THERE'S A SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR NOW, UH, FOR THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONERS. DID COMMISSIONER, WE, 'CAUSE YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FOR A LONG TIME. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAD A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER BUSMAN. UM, WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF NON LETTERS? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SAME, UH, PERSON OR, OR LETTERS EXPRESSING THE SAME OPINION? UH, MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ADDRESS THAT? SURE. COMMISSIONER ANTE. UM, SO I REALLY MEANT THE SAME PERSON, AND I'M TRYING TO AVOID THE ISSUE IDENTIFIED BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. SO THAT WAS THE INTENT, UM, TO, UH, TO DO THAT, UM, WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES. UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE CURRENT DISCUSSION, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD HOPE THAT SORT OF ON MOTION, UH, THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD SUPPORT READING ALL THE LETTERS. HOWEVER, UH, THE REASON I INCLUDED THIS SUBSIDIARY PHRASE OF, AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT WAS TO ENSURE, UM, THAT THIS IS NOT BEING OVERUSED. TO MAKE A, A POINT, [01:20:01] A POLITICAL POINT PERHAPS. UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE ON BOARD WITH THIS. UH, CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF READING IN ALL OF THESE LETTERS. THAT WAS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE INTENDING TO DO HERE. UH, BUT I ALSO KIND OF DON'T WANT THIS TO BE AT THE WHIM OF ANY INDIVIDUAL. COMMISSIONER. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, WE, OR WOULD YOU, UH, MADAM CHAIR. SO I THINK IF WE ARE INTENDED TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO READ THE SAME LETTER IN THE SAME PERSON MULTIPLE TIMES, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IT. BECAUSE IF I LOOKED AT IT, I WOULD SAY, HEY, THERE ARE NINE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, SO I JUST NEED TO READ ONE, BECAUSE ALL NINE ARE ARE JUST SPECIFIC. OKAY. SO WE NEED, SO YOU'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLARIFYING LANGUAGE YES, MA'AM. ON THE, WHETHER IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL WHO SENT IN A VOICEMAIL AND A CALL. SO HOW DO WE WORD IT THEN? AND I, UM, IF I MAY CHAIR, IF I MAY, BEFORE, UM, SO I, I GUESS IN OUR INTERPRETATION, WE HAVE GOTTEN LETTERS WHERE THEY'RE, THEY ARE, UM, TEMPLATE LETTERS, IF YOU WILL, SUBMITTED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND THEY SAY THE EXACT SAME THING WORD FOR WORD. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS WE READ THAT LETTER ONCE, BUT WE STATE THE NAME OF EVERYONE WHO SUBMITTED THE SAME TEMPLATE LETTER. SO WE AREN'T READING THE SAME LETTER OVER AND OVER AGAIN. BUT IF SOMEBODY IS SUBMITTING, UM, DIFFERENT LETTERS IN SUPPORT OR DIFFERENT LETTERS IN OPPOSITION, WE ARE READING THOSE INDIVIDUALLY. WE'RE NOT MAKING AN INTERPRETATION OF, OF, UM, TAKING WORDS AND PHRASES OUT. LEGAL WOULD NOT RECOMMEND US DOING THAT. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A TEMPLATE LETTER, REREAD IT ONE, AND WE RECOGNIZE ALL OF THE NAMES THAT HAVE SUBMITTED THAT TEMPLATE LETTER. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO. SEE, THAT'S WHY IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT TRAININGS OF THOUGHT. SO I UNDERSTAND THE POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE. NOW THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. BUT I THINK WE, UH, THAT OUR, IF I'M NOT, I HOPE I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS ON ANYBODY'S MOUTH, BUT I THINK THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE SPUN FROM SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE SAID AND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IS THAT WHEN WE WERE BE AT A MEETING AND WE WOULD HEAR THE SAME COMMENTS FROM SOMEBODY WHO CALLED IN, THEY MADE A VOICEMAIL, AND THEN THEY ALSO, UH, WROTE AN EMAIL. AND SO WE'D HEAR ALL THREE I FROM THAT SAME INDIVIDUAL. SO THAT IS WHAT I THINK THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, GET THAT WORDING CORRECTED AS WELL. WE MIGHT NEED TO GO BACK TO THE THOUGHT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK THAT WORDING IS NOT CLEAR. AND SO NOW LET ME SEE, LET ME, LET ME JUST STICK WITH COMMISSIONER, WE JUST FOR A SECOND. I SEE I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER WHITE AND COMMISSIONER ROMERO HAVE THEIR HANDS. COMMISSIONER ROMERO HAD HER HAND FIRST, BUT LET ME MAKE SURE WE ARE OKAY WITH COMMISSIONER. UH, WE, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT, RIGHT? IT'S, UH, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO NOT, TO WHETHER A, UH, WHETHER A CITIZEN HAS AN OPINION THAT THEY CAN EXPRESS THREE SEPARATE TIMES OR DO WE GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THAT ONCE. ALL RIGHT? SO I GUESS WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN, UM, YEAH, SO I WILL, I, I, I SEE YOU COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, YOU MAY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT I GOTTA MAKE MY ROUNDS PROPERLY, IF THAT'S OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. I JUST HAD A QUICK POINT OF ORDER. UM, POINT OF ORDER. YES, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD MORE PROPERLY BE ADDRESSED AFTER THE DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION REGARDING THE CONCURRENCE OF THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. OKAY. THAT LANGUAGE AND THE REMOVAL OF IT. UH, AND THEN CERTAINLY I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE CLARIFICATION OF NON DUPLICATIVE. THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME FIND MY WAY BACK TO THE PATH . OKAY. SO WE WILL, WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT, THAT, BUT LET'S GO BACK TO THE AMENDMENT THAT'S ON THE FLOOR NOW, WHICH IS, AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE, UH, UM, MAJORITY OF, UH, COMMISSIONER PRESENT. WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE THAT. THAT IS A COM MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. SO, UH, DO WE HAVE HANDS TO TALK ABOUT THAT AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER ROMERO, AND THEN I SEE COMMISSIONER WHITE . UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE. WE HAD AN AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE FROM COMMISSIONER BUS DE MONTE, AND I DON'T THINK WE VOTED ON IT. AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN HAVE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS OR FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO AN AMENDMENT, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THAT AMENDMENT. WE'RE JUST ON THE ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT UP TO TWO AMENDMENTS. [01:25:01] WELL, AND UP TO TWO AMENDMENTS CAN BE MADE ON AN, ON AN AMENDMENT. ALRIGHT? SO TECHNICALLY YOU NEED A MAIN MOTION. THE MAIN MOTION WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN YOU WOULD'VE HAD AN AMENDMENT MADE BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE, UH, TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT MAIN MOTION. THEN YOU WOULD'VE HAD AN AMENDMENT TO BUS'S, UH, AMENDMENT MADE BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WHICH WOULD BE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT WE'RE MISSING BASICALLY IS THE MAIN MOTION . SO IF I COULD, IF I COULD, IF THE MAKERS OF THE MOTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR RESCIND THEIR MOTIONS, SO WE CAN GO BACK TO A MAIN MOTION, THEN WE CAN GET BACK IN ORDER. ARE ARE YOU SAYING WAIT, CAN I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION THEN. SO ARE WE SAYING THAT ON THAT WHOLE RESOLUTION WE CAN ONLY MAKE TWO AMENDMENTS? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU NEED A MAIN MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED. THEN YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO LANGUAGE WITHIN THAT RESOLUTION TO CONSIDER INDIVIDUALLY. UM, AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE A, A, AN, A MOTION TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT AMENDMENT THAT'S ON THE FLOOR. SO, I, I'M, I'M UNABLE TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS. IT'S JUST THAT WHAT WE'RE MISSING IS THE MAIN MOTION. OKAY. SO IF, IF COMMISSIONER GIBBONS RESENTS HER MOTION MM-HMM. TO STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE AND COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE RES RESENTS HIS MOTION, THEN WE CAN GET BACK TO MAKING A MAIN MOTION AND THEN TALK ABOUT AMENDMENTS. AMENDMENTS. I MEAN, I'M JUST . OKAY. YES. YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS, YES. OKAY. JUST TWO. AND WE CAN TAKE EACH SECTION ONE BY ONE, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION PREFERS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO NOW, SO THEN WE'RE COMING BACK TO COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AND COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. WE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND DO THIS PROPERLY, BECAUSE BEFORE WE STARTED THE DISCUSSION, I AM, UH, DEFINITELY O J T HERE, LEARNING ON THE JOB, UM, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A MAIN MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN NOW WE CAN BEGIN DISCUSSING THOSE AMENDMENTS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, WOULD COMMISSIONERS, BOOSTER MONTE AND COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, KINDLY AGREE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, TO RESCIND, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO, UM, THE POINT THAT YOU'RE LIKE TO MAKE ARE, ARE STAFF SAYING THAT YOU PRESENTED THE RESOLUTION? YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT A MOTION ALREADY. NOBODY'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED BECAUSE WE'RE AMENDING, WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AND AMENDING IT. AND THE ONES THAT GO THROUGH THE, THAT'S THE TRUTH. WELL, THEN, THEN WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS AMENDED. BUT YOU STILL NEED A MAIN MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO, UM, I, I I'M TELLING YOU THAT LEGAL HAS ALREADY SAID WE NEED A MAIN MOTION ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO AMEND. ALL RIGHT. I, THE MAIN MOTION, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE RESOLUTION. MADAM CHAIR, I RESCIND MY MOTION. ALRIGHT. AND NOW WE HAVE A RES, OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER BUSANTE HAS RESCINDED HIS, AND THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS HAS WITHDRAWN HER. I MADE A MOTION TO TABLE THE RESOLUTION. I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU. . ALL RIGHT. MM-HMM. . SO IS THERE, UH, SO I GUESS, SO NOW WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE IT. AND SO, UM, IS THERE A SECOND ON THE FLOOR TO TABLE? WELL, LET ME, LEMME QUANTIFY THE TABLES BECAUSE I'LL, I'LL TABLE IT FOR THE NEXT, UH, TABLE IT TILL THE NEXT, UM, ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME TA SOME IDEAS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN ALL CONSIDER AND THEN COME BACK AND MAYBE UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO MY MOTION IS TO TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT, WHATEVER DATE THAT IS, TO BE SPECIFIC, UH, ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN CAN I ASK, UH, FOR A POINT OF ORDER TO STAFF, SO IN PAST MEETINGS THAT I'VE BEEN IN, SO MAYBE WE DID IT INCORRECTLY, WE WOULD HAVE, UH, WORK SESSIONS WHERE WE WOULD COMPARE RED LINE AND, AND THE ORIGINAL TEXT. AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BREAK ANY RULES. AND NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DELIBERATING IN PUBLIC, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD TIME TO CHEW ON THIS AHEAD OF TIME AS A GROUP. SO AS A WORK SESSION, OUR WORK SESSIONS ARE RECORDED, RIGHT? SO, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO OR NOT? YES, WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE, UH, ANOTHER WORK SESSION AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, WE'VE HAD THREE SO FAR TO DISCUSS THIS. AND, UM, AND, BUT YES, UH, FOR THE WORK SESSION, WE CAN DO THE SIDE BY [01:30:01] SIDE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, TODAY. YES. IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT THE POSITION WANTS TO DO, I THINK THAT, FOR ME, THAT FEELS HELPFUL. UM, SO LET'S JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS MOTION TO TAKE. SO IF WE TABLE IT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TABLE THE RESOLUTION. WE, WE SECOND. OKAY, COMMISSIONER, WE HAS MADE A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UH, AGAIN, JUST A TABLE TO THAT DATE ELSE? IT'S TABLED INDEFINITELY, SO I, THAT'S WHY I PUT THE DATE ON THERE. OKAY. I, I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OF THE NEXT SEPTEMBER THE FIRST? YES. OKAY. SO I JUST, THE TABLE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST. COMMISSIONER MEETING. YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT COMMISSIONER? WE, YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE, I, I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, WE'VE SPENT AN HOUR ON THIS. YES, WE HAVE. AND, AND I THINK WE'VE MADE PROGRESS IN THIS HOUR. AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE STARTING OVER NEXT TIME. AND I KNOW SOMEBODY WILL, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SAID, OH, WE WON'T BE STARTING OVER. WE, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA START OVER. SO I'M FOR CONTINUING THIS AND KNOCKING IT OUT IN THE NEXT 15 MINUTES. COMMISSIONER ONE STAFF HAS ALREADY TOLD US TO START OVER. THEY WANT US TO DO THE MOTION OF THE RESOLUTION, AND THEN WE GOTTA COME BACK TO OUR AMENDED MOTIONS. SO I THINK IT, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND UNDERSTANDING, THEN LET'S TABLE IT SO WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION AND HAVE A BETTER DISCUSSION. I, I, I, I, I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'VE TOLD US TO GO BACK TO THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION THAT I'M STARING AT ON THE SCREEN AS IT WAS BEFORE THESE AMENDMENTS, IN MY OPINION, THAT CAN BE DONE PRETTY QUICKLY. AND THEN WE CAN DO THE AMENDMENT PROCESS AGAIN. VOTE YES OR NO AND GET IT DONE. SO I, I AM FOR, UM, MOVING FORWARD TODAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? I AGREE WITH THAT AND I THINK, UH, THIS IS TAKING A LONG TIME. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED ON TIME LIMITS HERE. I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING 'CAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE AMENDMENTS, BUT, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS NOW, UH, STAFF'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT TIME LIMITS, BUT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITE JUST SAID. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROMERO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE TO ROLL CALL? VOTE. OKAY. UM, STAFF ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. ALRIGHT, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S ACTUALLY A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER 1ST. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? NO. COMMISSIONER JOE? NO. COMMISSIONER KAMES? NO. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER S SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? NO. UH, CHAIR MCGEE? YES. 'CAUSE I LIKE HIM. OKAY. MOTION FAILS. UH, THREE TO EIGHT. UM, AND BEFORE A MO MAIN MOTION IS MADE, UM, YOU COULD HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS. YES. AND THAT COULD BE A MOTION JUST TO HELP TO SPEED THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN FROM THERE THERE CAN BE DISCUSSION ON CHANGES TO THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY. OKAY. SO, UM, IT CAN, SHOULD BE DISPLAYED. OKAY. INFORMATION. LET ME GET THE, GET IT ON THE SCREEN PLEASE. BOTH. UH, AND NOW A POINT OF INFORMATION BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. HOW CAN WE PRESENT THE RESOLUTION WITH AMENDMENTS WHEN YOU'RE ASKING US TO FIRST MAKE THE MAIN MOTION? SO NOW YOU WANT THE MAIN MOTION TO BE WITH AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED. SO YOU, YES. I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WANTED US TO PRESENT THE MAIN MOTION, THE RESOLUTION WE'VE CONFERRED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND YOU CAN MAKE A MAIN MOTION WITH AMENDMENT SO SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. COMMISSIONER. I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THEIR HAND UP FIRST, BUT, UM, A MEDAL I'LL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE, UH, TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS WITH RESPECT TO PARAGRAPH [01:35:01] THREE A, UH, THE WRITTEN AMENDMENT, WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY ON THE SCREEN, BUT WHICH WOULD READ COMBINED HEARING, OPEN PARENTHETICAL CONSENT, ZONING, CLOSED PARENTHETICAL ZONING CASES, OPEN HEARING IN MOTION, A COMBINED HEARING OPEN PARENTHETICAL CONSENT. PARENTHETICAL CASES ARE DEFINED TO BE THOSE CASES WITH WHICH ONE PERIOD HAVE STAFF APPROVAL. SEMI TWO PERIOD ARE NOT SAWS RELATED. THREE PERIOD HAVE NO OPPOSITION PARENTHETICAL TO SPEAK IN PERSON OR CALL IN DURING A VIRTUAL MEETING. AND FOUR, HAVE NO OBJECTION OR REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BY A COMMISSIONER. ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD MOVE FOR AN AMENDMENT OR RATHER AS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, UH, SENTENCE AT THE END OF PARAGRAPH THREE B ON THE MOTION OF ANY COMMISSIONER. AND WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT, ALL LETTERS RECEIVED RELATING TO A GIVEN ITEM SHALL BE READ IN THE RECORD. OKAY. MOTION. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH, UH, AMENDMENTS AS AMENDED BY, UH, STATED BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE SECOND ROMERO. SECOND. YES. THIRD, FOURTH . AND WE HAVE A MOTION, I MEAN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO. OKAY. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UH, MORE OF A FRIENDLY REQUEST TO, TO COMMISSIONER BUSANTE IN THAT MY WHOLE POINT WITH THIS DISCUSSION IS WE ARE STATING IF IT HAS STAFF APPROVAL, IF IT'S NOT SA RELATED AND IT HAS NO OPPOSITION OTHER THAN BY PHONE OR VOICEMAIL. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I, THE RUB LIES FOR ME. IF WE HAVE OPPOSITION IN MAIL PERIOD, IT IT, IT SHOULD CALL IT OUT FOR BEING READ INTO THE RECORD, WHETHER THAT'S BY VOICEMAIL OR IN, IN A LETTER FORM. SO THAT, THAT'S A STICKING POINT FOR ME AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO GET PAST THAT. LOOKING AT YOU MAYBE WITH SOME LANGUAGE OPTION. OKAY. COMM ANTE. THANK YOU. UM, SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO POSSIBILITIES. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ONE IS, IS THAT THAT CONCERN, UH, CAN BE SUBSUMED BY, WELL, I GUESS IT WOULDN'T BE IF THERE WAS OPPOSITION IN WRITING, OF COURSE, ANY COMMISSIONER COULD OBJECT AND THEN MOVE IT TO INDIVIDUAL. UH, THE OTHER POSSIBILITY, OF COURSE IS, UH, WE COULD SAY TO SPEAK IN PERSON BY LETTER OR CALL. UM, MY CONCERN, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS YOUR INTENTION, BUT OF COURSE I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OPPOSITION COULD BE THE NEGATIVE VOTES, UM, THAT COME IN THROUGH, UH, THE NOTICE REQUIREMENT WITHIN 200 FEET. UH, AND I THINK ROUTINELY OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER THOSE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DETERMINE THOSE AS REQUIRING SOMETHING TO BE ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. RIGHT. BUT IF WE'RE MOVING TO SAY THAT THE POWER OF A PHONE CALL OVER A WRITTEN REPLY TO ZONING COMMISSION AS IS THEIR OPTION, THEN IT TO ME APPEARS THAT WE GIVE MORE WEIGHT TO A PERSON CALLING IN AND, AND THAT'S THE HUMP I CAN'T GET OVER. OKAY. UM, AND, AND THAT CASE, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME HOW WOULD I AFFECT THAT, I WOULD SAY TO SPEAK IN PERSON BY LETTER OR CALL IN DURING A MEETING IN THAT PARENTHETICAL AND BULLET 0.3. SO THEN, ARE WE NOT OVERRIDING THE NOTIFICATION TO PEOPLE AND STATING, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK UP OR TURN THIS SLIP? I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT JUST SIMPLY ADDRESSES THE ISSUE THAT, THAT YOU WANT IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. SO WRITING AND WRITING TO SPEAK IN PERSON BY LETTER OR CALL IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. UM, CAN I JUST ASK, ASK A QUESTION. THIS IS, UH, KAT, SO IF WE'RE ADDING HAVE NO OPPOSITION RATHER IN, IN, IN A LETTER OR SPEAKING IN PERSON OR A VOICEMAIL, THEN WE'RE BACK TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY ALREADY DO. NOT NECESSARILY, UH, I WOULD ARGUE, UM, THAT THAT WOULD SIMPLY ALLOW IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD PUT IT ON THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING, [01:40:01] BUT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRE GIVEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THOSE READ WITHOUT THE MOTION AND CONCURRENCE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION. BUT THESE TWO AMENDMENTS TO THE RESOLUTION, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE RESOLUTION. UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING PUT 'EM ON INDIVIDUAL, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE READ IT TO THE RECORD. THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD READ THAT. IF THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WERE MADE AND ACCEPTED. I I I AS STAFF, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT THAT COULD BE VERY CONFUSING FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS. BUT WHAT WE WOULD COMMUNICATE TO THEM IN THE NOTICE AND IN THE FLYER FOR INFORMATION ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE, IS THAT THE SAME THING THAT'S COMMUNICATED FOR THE CITY COUNCIL? CITY COUNCIL COMMUNICATES THAT WRITTEN, UH, WRITTEN LETTERS, WHETHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION WILL NOT BE READ INTO THE RECORD. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO THEM, THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD ONLY. UM, BUT THEY STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR, UM, TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS BE PART OF THE AUDIO RECORD THROUGH A VOICEMAIL OR LIVE AND CALL. AND THAT WOULD BE A CHOICE THAT THEY COULD MAKE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? WELL, I, I THINK WE'RE JUST BACK AT SQUARE ONE IN THAT WE'RE GIVING THE PEOPLE THAT CALL IN A PRIORITY OF IMPORTANCE OVER SOMEONE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE A LETTER. MAYBE THAT'S A NEIGHBOR, MAYBE THAT'S A HISTORICAL SOCIETY. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST STATING IF YOU DON'T CALL IN, THEN WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE REALLY RECORDED IN A RECORD AND WE AS A BODY ARE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU, UH, MORE CONSIDERATION 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE TIME TO CALL. AND THAT'S WHERE I, I HAVE JUST A POINT. I I THINK WE EITHER TREAT THEM ALL THE SAME OR, OR WE JUST SAY IF THERE IS ANY OPPOSITION, THEN WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IT. RIGHT. UM, STAFF ANYTHING ON THAT BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT COMMISSIONER? OKAY. UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHITE. DID I JUST HEAR THOUGH THAT THAT STAFF SAY THAT'S HOW CITY COUNCIL DOES IT, IS THEY LET PEOPLE KNOW IF YOU WRITE IN, YOU'RE A PART OF THE RECORD, BUT YOU'RE NOT HEARD AT THE HEARING. BUT IF YOU CALL IN OR LEAVE A VOICEMAIL, THEN YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY HEARD AT THE MEETING. IS THAT, IS THAT HOW CITY COUNCIL DOES IT? THE ONLY, THE THAT IS CORRECT. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION FOR IS VOICEMAIL. SO THEY DON'T READ LETTERS. ALL THEY DO IS LOOP IN, UH, PEOPLE WHO WANNA BE CALLED IN. THAT'S IT. AND SO THEY MAKE IT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC THAT IF YOU WANNA BE PART OF THE RECORD, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO THIS. IF YOU WANNA BE HEARD AT THE MEETINGS, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. RIGHT? YES. AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION THEY HAVE IS THEY CAN EMAIL THEIR COMMENTS. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD, BUT THEY'RE NOT READ INTO THE RECORD. OKAY. AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS, UH, PROPOSING TO DO, TO, TO MAKE THAT SIMILAR. THAT, UH, OUR PROCESS SIMILAR TO COUNCIL'S PROCESS. BUT THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT WAS WOULD BE THE VOICEMAIL OPTION AND THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BE EMAILING ALL OF THE, UH, LETTERS IN WRITING THAT WE RECEIVED TO THE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. AND SO THE VOICEMAIL OPTION HERE, UM, GIVES THEM ANOTHER WAY TO BE HEARD AT THE ACTUAL HEARING AUDIBLY. CORRECT. UM, I MEAN, HONESTLY, THAT SOUNDS, THAT SOUNDS RIGHT TO ME. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS. THANK YOU. COMM COMMISSIONER WHITE. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? FIRST ROUND? OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, HAVE YOU SPOKE ON THIS YET? BECAUSE I, I HAD SOMETHING TO SAY IF YOU HADN'T. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, GO AHEAD. UH, I'M, I DON'T LIKE THE END WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF A MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT. I THINK THAT CAN BE EQUALLY AS POLITICAL AS ANY OTHERS, BUT I AM GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED, UH, WE ARE MOVING ON. IT NEEDS A SECOND. SECOND. NEEDS A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. NEEDS A SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND OF ABOVE. AND OF ABOVE. OKAY. ANYBODY WANT TO SECOND THE CALL TO IT ENDS DEBATE AND MOVES US ONTO A VOTE? UH, SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER JONES HAS SECONDED THE CALL TO QUESTION. AND THEN, UM, SO THEN I GUESS ANY, UH, DISCUSSION [01:45:01] ON MOVING TO THE FLOOR NOW FOR VOTE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, AND I BELIEVE THAT HIS AMENDMENTS TO END DEBATE. CALL THE QUESTION FIRST. OKAY. SO, WAIT, UH, CHAIR, DO YOU NEED TO VOTE ON THE CALL TO QUESTION? FIRST? MOTION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRAU? YES. COMMISSIONER JOE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. COMMISSIONER LEE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER SITES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UH, AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ONE. OKAY. SO NOW THE, UH, MOTION, UM, MADE BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, UM, TO, UM, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION WITH THE AMENDMENTS. AND WE HAVE THAT HE STATED, WHICH ARE NOW IN WRITING ON THE SCREEN. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, IT IS. OKAY. AND THE SECOND WAS BY COMMISSIONER, UH, OH. . COMMISSIONER ROMERO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER TAMEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER SYS? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE. AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. NINE TO TWO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, DO YOU NEED A BREAK BEFORE WE MOVE ON? IS EVERYBODY READY TO GO? IF YOU'RE READY TO A THUMBS DOWN, YOU NEED A BREAK? THUMBS UP, YOU'RE READY TO GO. , DON'T WE VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION AS AMENDED? I'M SORRY. DO WE NOW VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION AS AMENDED? I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE HE, WE VOTED ON THE AMENDED. NO, NO, WE VOTED ON THE MOTION, WHICH WAS APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS. OH, . I, I THINK I SAW ONE THUMBS DOWN, BUT IT MOSTLY THUMBS UP. WHO? ANYBODY. SOMEBODY. OKAY. IF IT'S JUST ONE PERSON, YOU CAN JUST, UH, QUICKLY GO OFF CAMERA AND THEN COME BACK. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE REST OF OUR, UM, INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS, PLEASE. ITEM [2. 20-4605 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700135 ERZD (Council District 10): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3R ERZD AHOD" General Commercial Restrictive Alcoholic Edwards Recharge Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 ERZD AHOD" Commercial Edwards Recharge Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District on 1.760 acres out of NCB 17726, generally located on the 5000 block of North Loop 1604 East and the 17400 block of O'Connor Road. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA2020-11600040) (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, Mercedes.Rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ] NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE R E R Z D A H O D TO C TWO E R Z D A H O D. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 5,000 BLOCK OF NORTH LOOP 1604 EAST AND THE 17,400 BLOCK OF O'CONNOR ROAD. THERE WERE SEVEN NOTICES, MAILS NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF ADVERSE LIKELY IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUESTS. THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THE USE IS PERMITTED BY C TWO. MITIGATE POTENTIAL IMPACTS CURRENTLY PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY IN C C3 ARE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE SAS REPORT, PLEASE? MIKE BARR OR MIKE ESCALANTE? ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES, YES, THIS IS, UH, MIKE ESCALANTE. GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, OKAY. THIS IS MIKE ESCALANTE WITH SAS AQUIFER PROTECTION AND THE EVALUATION SECTION. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL CELLS LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHEAST INTERSECTION OF LOOP 1604 AND O'CONNOR ROAD. THE SITE IS LOCATED, LOCATED WITHIN A THOUSAND, WITHIN A THOUSAND FOOT OF A HIGHWAY TO ARTERIAL NODAL, UH, INTERSECTION. THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, APPROXIMATELY 0.8375 ACRES, LIES WITHIN THE EDWARDS AFER RECHARGE ZONE. AND THE REMAINDER OF THE 1.46 ACRES IS TRANSITION. SO THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE SHALL NOT EXCEED 75% [01:50:02] ON THE 0.8375 ACRE PORTION OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE. ALL RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING CASE. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? KEVIN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? UH, I AM MS. KEVIN LOVE ADDRESS IS 2 2 6 1 OH US HIGHWAY 2 81 SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, SO I'M REALLY JUST HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. IT'S PRETTY S SELF-EXPLANATORY. WE'RE RIGHT ON THE HARD CORNER. UH, THAT'S WHERE THE NEW BILL MILLERS JUST WENT. AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A LAS PUSS RESTAURANT, WHICH I BELIEVE PROBABLY MOST Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, LAS PUS. UM, THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED, UH, WITH A, IT WASN'T ZONED IN A, BUT IT WAS REZONED OURS, WHICH IS CANNOT SERVE ALCOHOL ON THE PREMISES. AND KAPA SERVES THE OCCASIONAL BEER AND MARGARITAS, SO THEY, UH, UH, WOULDN'T GO THERE WITHOUT THE ZONING CHANGE. SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, THE EXTENT OF THE ZONING CASE. WE, OR THE ZONING CHANGE. WE DID GO FROM C THREE TO C TWO, THE OWNER WAS OKAY WITH THAT, SO WE WOULDN'T, HEY, WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND GO THROUGH A PLAN AMENDMENT. SO, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, STAFF IS SAYING ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH, I THINK, UH, THIS ONE'S PRETTY, UM, STRAIGHTFORWARD IN MY OPINION. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, UM, FROM ANYBODY IN THE SURROUNDING COMMITTEE. AND, UH, KEVIN HAS, UH, DONE HIS HOMEWORK AND WELL WORKED WELL WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN PERRY'S OFFICE. AND SO, UM, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITE. UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH, UH, QUESTIONS? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. UM, THANK YOU AGAIN, UH, KEVIN FOR WORKING WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE. UM, AND AT THIS TIME I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM TWO, SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER WHITE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. ANY COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION? OKAY. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRUB? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMINS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBON? I DON'T SEE HER PRESENT AT THIS TIME. OH YEAH, I DON'T SEE HER. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SITES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. LET TRY IT ONE MORE TIME. COMMISSIONER GIBBON, NOT CHAIRMAN MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. UH, 10 TO ZERO. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. [3. 20-4776 (Continued from 08/04/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700151 CD (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3 MLOD-3 MLR-2" General Commercial Martindale Army Airfoeld Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region-2 District to "C-1 CD MLOD-3 MLR-2" General Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region-2 District with a Conditional Use for an RV Park on 0.2941 acres out of NCB 10319, located at 2050 Rigsby Avenue. Staff recommends Approval. (Victoria Castro, Planner, (210) 207-2736, Victoria.Castro@Sanantonio.gov, Development Services). ] I AM SORRY. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO C ONE CD FOR A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARK WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2050 RIGSBY AVENUE, THERE WERE 15 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM COMANCHE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE C ONE IS A DOWN ZONE FROM THE EXISTING C THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS [01:55:01] AS THEY TRY TO COMPLETE THEIR SITE PLAN. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM. WE, UH, KEEP CALLING AND GETTING A BUSY TONE. UH, THEY, THEY DID REACH OUT TO US EARLIER SAYING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE A CONTINUANCE SO THAT THEY CAN FINISH THEIR SITE PLAN. THANK YOU. IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES. UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONTINUANCE, UH, FOR, UH, THIS ITEM. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING BY COMMISSIONER JONES, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. ANY, UM, QUESTION OR DISCUSSION? ANY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRUB? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. MR. DON'T SEE YOU ON THE SCREEN. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UH, CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES 10 TO ZERO. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, [4. 20-4622 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700142 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "R-5 MLOD-3 MLR-1" Residential Single-Family Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District and "R-5 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Residential Single-Family Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to "C-1 MLOD-3 MLR-1" Light Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District and "C-1 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Light Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District on Lot P-10 and Lot P-11, NCB 10777, located at 4635 Sinclair Road. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Plan Amendment Case PA2020-11600033) (Lorianne Thennes, Planner 210-207-7945, lorianne.thennes@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)] AS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO C ONE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 46 19 SINCLAIR ROAD. THERE WERE 23 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, SIX RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. ONE RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM JUPI MANOR OR LOWER SOUTHEAST SIDE STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE LOCATION IS OF THIS PROPERTY IS MID-BLOCK AND ZONING AND LAND USES IN THE AREA ALONG THE SAME BLOCK. BLOCK ARE RESIDENTIAL STAFF RECOMMENDS. DENIAL. MADAM CHAIR? YES. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? MR. HARRIS, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? MR. HARRIS? GO AHEAD OR SOUTHEAST SIDE. MR. MR. HARRIS, CAN YOU TURN OFF YES. WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO AND JUST LEAVE YOUR PHONE AND JUST TALK TO THE PHONE. THERE'S A MEETING DELAY. YEAH, I'M, YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THIS VIEW AND IT SAYS, TURNED OFF. IS IT OFF NOW? NO, WE CAN STILL HEAR IT. UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT OFF, UH, COMPLETELY. AND I'LL JUST USE MY PHONE. YES, PLEASE. MR. HARRIS, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? UH, YES. LET ME TURN OFF, UH, MY COMPUTER SO I CAN STAY ON MY, MY PHONE LINE REAL QUICK. UH, OKAY. THERE? YES. UH, MY NAME, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY COMMISSION. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS HARRIS. I RESIDE AT 4 0 0 7 DUN OAK DRIVE, 7 8 2 2 3. AND I'M REPRESENTING MR. RIOS, THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THIS REZONING. NEW DEVELOPMENT ON HIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED, IDENTIFIED AS, UM, 46 19 SINCLAIR ROAD. UH, WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WE WERE THINKING MORE OUTSIDE THE BOX. IT'D BE COMMERCIAL C TWO. AND I TRIED TO BE MORE LIKE THE NEIGHBORS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SINCLAIR AS I ONE OR I TWO, SINCE HE WAS ADJACENT TO OTHER SITES ALREADY CREATED TOWARDS W W Y C ONE, THE C THREE. AND WHATEVER WE DO DEVELOP OR ARE ABLE TO DO, IT'S GONNA BE ORIENTED TO ST. CLAIR. WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY FILED, WE ASKED FOR WHAT WOULD BE THE LEASE APPROVED CHANGE AND WE LOOKED AT A C TWO. BUT THEN, UH, AFTER REVIEWING IT AND SEEING THAT THERE WAS A, A VIABLE OVERLAY PLAN THAT WAS IN PLACE, UH, PROBABLY EASTERN TRIANGLE, WE, UH, IDENTIFIED IT AND TRIED TO, UH, CONTACT, UH, INDIVIDUAL PARTIES, UH, TO JUST CLARIFY OUR USE AND THEN INTENDED TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO. AND THEN AT THE PLANNING, UM, MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY, I WENT ON RECORD TO SAY THAT NOW WE WERE WILLING TO GO DOWN TO [02:00:01] A C ONE OR LOW, WHAT IS CALLED A LOW COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD ONLY ALLOW WHAT WE CALL A SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL USE. UH, WITH NO MORE THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF OCCUPANCY. UH, WE KNEW THERE WAS, UH, SOME, UH, NOTICES SUBMITTED AND NOT IN FAVOR. AND WE WENT TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT HAD MADE VOICE CONCERNS. AND IN FACT, I JUST FINISHED THEM AGAIN, UH, LATE YESTERDAY EVENING JUST TO ASSURE THEM. AND I GAVE 'EM A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE WERE AT, AT THE BEGINNING TO WHERE WE'RE, UH, TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH NOW. SO WE WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHAT WE CALL A C ONE USE. 'CAUSE IT, UH, WELL, ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S CALLED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LIGHT ZONING USE. UH, SO THEY COULD BE MORE PART OF THE PLAN THAT WAS BEING UTILIZED TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTIES. AND, UH, OPPOSITION WERE ALL IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WAS OFF OF PAULA AND JUPA STREET, I BELIEVE. UH, THERE WAS ALSO, UH, INDIVIDUALS AND THE ONES I DID SPEAK TO LAST NIGHT AND, UH, AND FOR, AND REAFFIRM OUR INTENTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. UH, WE USE THE WRONG, I GUESS, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BUZZ WORD, STRIP CENTER TYPE, UH, SITUATION TO FIT THAT COMMERCIAL USE. BUT, UH, WE'RE JUST NOW GONNA GO DOWN TO A SINGLE USE, UH, ONE STORY LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET THAT FITS THE COMMERCIAL AREA. AND IT KIND OF FITS INTO THE OVERALL ORIGINAL PLAN. UM, ALL THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE REAR. UH, WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CALL FUTURE, UH, BUFFER ZONES. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA INCORPORATE ALL THAT LAND USE 'CAUSE THE MAJORITY OF IT'S GONNA BE, UH, ORIENTED TO SINCLAIR, WHICH HAS THE INDUSTRIAL ONE TWO ACROSS THE STREET. THERE'S ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ADJACENT TO US TO THE LEFT AND TOWARDS W W Y, BUT, UH, WE COULD NOT GET HOLD OF THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT HE NEVER, UH, RESPONDED WHETHER HE WAS IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR OF EITHER. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, GOING TOWARDS LOOP FOUR 10 'CAUSE ARTERIAL THAT ARTERIAL IS WHAT WE CALL ARTERIO TYPE A CLASSIFICATION. AND THERE'S NO OTHER INGRESS OR EGRESS OR SIDE STREETS OR LOCAL STREETS THAT WOULD, UH, INTERFERE WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL IN REAR. BUT GOING TO THE RIGHT FOR LOOP FOUR 10, UH, THERE'S A GOOD MAYBE SIX PROPERTIES BEFORE YOU HIT, UH, ACTUAL, UH, SINGLE RESIDENTIAL FAMILY THAT LIVES ON THE CORNER. AND THEN OF COURSE THEN YOU GOT A COUPLE OF MORE TOWARDS FOUR 10, BUT THEN, THEN YOU GOT A BUNCH OF VACANT LAND, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS, UH, ROADWAY. UH, MR. RIOS ACTUALLY OWNS THE, THE THIRD PROPERTY IN QUESTION GOING TOWARDS FOUR 10. BUT, UH, DECIDED JUST TO LEAVE THAT AS IS, IS R FIVE. IT CONTAINS WHAT WE CALL OVERHEAD POWER LINES ANYWAY, AND CREATE THAT AS, UH, WHAT WE CALL LIKE A SIDE BUFFER ZONING, UH, THAT PROTECT THAT PARTICULAR ADJACENT LAND USE. ALSO, THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW, IT'S JUST SO SHRUB AND BRUSH, BUT THAT'S IT. SO OUR GOAL WAS, UH, JUST TO COME INTO THE COMMISSION TODAY AND JUST, UH, REAFFIRM THAT WE MADE, UH, THESE NECESSARY MAIN AMENDMENTS AND, UM, SEE IF, UM, THIS WILL BE POSSIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON TO JUST, UH, GO FOR THE LOWER CLASSIFICATION AND MEET THE, WHAT WE CALL THE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT OUR CONCERNS AND, UM, ALSO NOT OUR CONCERNS, BUT MORE OR LESS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THIS PROCESS IS APPROVED, THAT WE WOULD ADHERE TO MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE. UH, WE'LL COME UP WITH A GOOD PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT WOULD, UH, CREATE THE LIGHTING TO BE SHIELDED TO THE GROUND AND NOT TO ANY ADJACENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES, WHETHER IT BE TO THE REAR OR TO THE, THAT WON'T PROPERTY TO THE SIDE. UH, OF COURSE WE HAVE THE BUFFER, BUT WE ALSO GOING TO CONTINUE WITH, UH, PROPER SECURITY MEASURES, FENCING, SCREENING. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING, THE, BUT THEY ADHERE TO WHAT WE CALL MORE LIKE THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OR CONSERVATION TYPE CORRIDOR, WHERE THE BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ARE UTILIZED WILL BE, UH, SIMILAR TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS SUCH AS BRICK OR LIMESTONE OR, UH, MORE NATURAL TYPE FEATURES VERSUS WHAT WE CALL THE CORRUGATED METAL OR FLAT METAL OR ALUMINUM STYLE TYPE OF, UH, BUILDINGS. AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN, UH, RELAYED TO ALL THE INTERESTED PARTIES. UH, WE DID HAVE SOME DIFFICULTY REACHING SOME OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS. I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE OF 'EM THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION, BUT WE LEFT THEM, UH, ADEQUATE NOTICES, UH, GIVEN 'EM A SUMMARY IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS OR [02:05:01] FEEDBACK, UH, TO PLEASE CONTACT, UH, EITHER THE CITY OFFICE OR THE COMMISSION TODAY, UH, BEFORE OUR HEARING. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I GOT GOING. SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M GLAD TO ANSWER. YES, MR. HARRIS, THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL, UM, JUST STAY ON THE LINE THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT IF YOU SO CHOOSE. AND THEN, UM, SURE. WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO, UH, NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. STAFF. UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. YES, MA'AM. I'M GONNA READ SOME ITEMS FOR YOU. JAMES RIOS AT 5 0 0 2. SINCLAIR ROAD IS IN FAVOR, OR JAIME, I GUESS COULD BE JAIME RIOS, EXCUSE ME, IS IN FAVOR. UM, THE FOLLOWING IS FROM DAVID GONZALEZ. GOT ALL RIGHT. UH, THIS EMAIL WAS IN REGARDS TO THE PLAN AMENDMENT 33, WHICH IS RELATES TO THE ZONING CASE I LIVE AT 46 26. PAULA DRIVE MY PROPERTY ABOVE THE PARCELS THAT ARE REQUESTING THE ZONE CHANGE FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. I, I'M IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST FOR THE REASONS EXPLAINED AND I HOPE I WILL BE CONSIDERED TO KEEP THE CURRENT ZONING OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. CURRENTLY ALL PROPERTIES ALONG NORTH SIDE OF SINCLAIR ROAD AREA BETWEEN WW WHITE AND THE LOOP FOUR 10 ACCESS ROTOR, ALL CURRENTLY CLOUDED AT SPACE RATE, LOT SINGLE FAMILY OR VACANT LAND. THE COMMERCIAL OFFICER ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET. I PURCHASED MY PROPERTY AND I HAVE RESIDED IN MY HOME SINCE 19 88, 23 YEARS. I RAISED MY DAUGHTER AS A SINGLE FATHER AND I WORKED CHARGES WITH THEM THROUGH COLLEGE WITHOUT THE EXPENSE OF THEM LIVING ON CAMPUS BECAUSE I HAVE MY HOME AVAILABLE TO THEM. MY SON FOR THE FUTURE IS TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY TO MY DAUGHTERS, HELPING TO CONTINUE THE QUIET AND SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD ENVIRONMENT WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN THE BEST. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WAS BECAUSE OF THE NICE, QUIET, RURAL SETTING. I AM NEAR RETIREMENT NOW AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO ENJOYING THIS QUIET RURAL SETTING IN THE FUTURE. CHANGING THE CURRENT ZONING STATUS TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING AND CONSTRUCTING A STRIP MALL WILL CHANGE THIS COMPLETELY. THIS WILL CREATE ISSUES SUCH AS NOISE DAY AND NIGHT, EXTRA LIGHTING THAT WILL EXPOSE AND PROVIDE UNINVITED ACCESS TO THE REAR OF MY PROPERTY AND MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY POTENTIAL FOR BURGLARY. THERE ARE ALL, THESE ARE ALL MAJOR CONCERNS THAT I WOULD FEAR WOULD DRIVE MY FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS AWAY FROM THIS AREA. ADDITIONAL CONCERNS WITH THE REZONING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PITFALL ARE THE POSSIBLE FACTORS OF INCREASED HOMELESS POPULATION, WHICH BRING A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE ELEVATION OF CRIME RATE AND OTHER UNPLEASANT ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THERE IS AN EXISTING CONCRETE DRAINAGE CHANNEL LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 750 FEET AWAY FROM THESE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE PROPERTIES. ASCL AT THE INTERSECTION OF TILLY DRIVE. AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, MY DEPARTMENT, THESE FIRST HAD THE DIFFERENT ISSUES INVOLVED WITH CHIP FALLS AND DRAINED CHANNEL WHEN THEY'RE LOCATED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY EACH OTHER. THAT'S DAVID GONZALEZ AT 46 26 PAULA DRIVE, WENDY HERNANDEZ AT 46 30. PAULA, PLEASE. YOU MIGHT EMAIL I'M IN OPPOSITION. THAT'S EITHER THAT LOOKS LIKE NAN JINGLE WOOD AT FORTY SIX THIRTY SIX CALL MORE TRAFFIC, MORE NOISE, THEFT BREAK IN. I TRULY FEEL WE HAVE PROBLEMS AFTER THIS. IT IS BUILT, IT WON'T BE QUIET ANYMORE IN OPPOSITION ALLEN OAK. I FEEL LIKE IT WILL NOT BE BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN OPPOSITION. BURT HUBBLE 30 10 JUY OPPOSED JESSIE MOR. 3 0 0 6 TO BE OPPOSED. AND THIS ONE IS FROM ERIC. WE IN 7 2 2 PAULA DRIVE ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL BEHIND OUR HOME. WE COMMERCIAL IN FRONT OF THE LOT AT THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND US, MANY HOMES ALREADY DARED TO, AND THAT IS ALL MA'AM. THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, MR. HARRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TIME TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE, UM, UH, COMMUNITY RESPONSE THAT WAS JUST READ? NO. UH, ACTUALLY WE KNEW OF THOSE RESPONSES PRIOR TO OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, BEFORE THE [02:10:01] PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO REACH OUT TO THESE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS JUST TO ASSURE 'EM THAT, UH, UH, WE, WE WERE NOT DEVELOPING A STRIP CENTER. WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE CONGESTION, THE HOMELESS POPULATION, THE SECURITY ASPECTS. SO WHEN I MET WITH ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT WAS SO ELOQUENTLY THE EXPLAINED, THAT WAS A PREVIOUS CITY EMPLOYEE, UM, I SPENT A GOOD 30 TO 40 MINUTES WITH HIM LAST NIGHT, UH, JUST, AND I GAVE HIM A COPY OF OUR SUMMARY AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND HE, HE WAS PRETTY WELL SATISFIED WITH IT. WHAT I GOT OUT FROM ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE FOLLOWING THE OPPOSITION OF, THEY WERE JUST SCARED, MORE SCARED OF THEIR PROPERTY, UH, BEING, UM, TAXABLE MORE BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENT ZONING. BUT I ASSURED THEM ALL THAT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE, IT'LL PROBABLY ONLY BE ON MR. RIO'S, UH, STANDPOINT ONCE HE UPGRADES THAT PROPERTY, UH, THAT THE TAX WILL BECOME APPLICABLE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T IMPACT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AT ALL. THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD, THAT THEY BROUGHT UP WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT THERE'S NO EVER NO EGRESS OR EGRESS SITUATIONS LIKE, UM, A STREET CUT OR A LOCAL STREET THAT WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF, UH, ACCESS TO SINCLAIR FROM THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTIES, WHICH ALL FRONT, UH, STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS TALLER AND JUPA STREET JUPA ACTUALLY DEAD ENDS TO THE ONE OF THE BACK. LOTS OF THESE. BUT AGAIN, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA BE ORIENTED TO SINCLAIR, WHICH WILL BE A GOOD OH, UH, WITHOUT GETTING A PROPER SCALE. BUT ONCE WE SUBMIT OUR BUILDING PLANS AND OUR SUBMITTALS, WE'LL BE HAVING ANYWHERE FROM A 50 TO A HUNDRED FOOT, UH, AR REAR BUFFER SETBACK FROM THOSE PROPERTIES IN GENERAL. AND THEY ALL KIND OF SAID THE SAME THING THAT THEY, UH, THEY ALL KNEW MR. RIOS AND THEY SAID THAT HE KEEPS THE LOCKS VERY UPKEPT AND, UM, DOESN'T, UH, LET THE VEGETATION OR, UH, STUFF, UH, THEY WERE JUST ONLY CONCERNED HOW IT'S GONNA ENCROACH ON THEIR ADJOINING. I SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY ENCROACHMENT WHATSOEVER, BUT I, I TOLD 'EM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY WOULD AT LEAST, UH, PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION, UH, TODAY. BUT, UM, BUT THEY ALL SAID THAT THE SAME THING, THAT, UH, THEY'LL READ THE SUMMARY, BUT IF THEY HAD ANY ADDITIONAL CONCERNS, THEY WOULD CONTACT EITHER CITY STAFF BY THIS MORNING OR, OR EVEN THE PERMISSION THIS AFTERNOON. UH, I WAS JUST NOT ABLE TO GET TO TWO OF THOSE, UH, REQUESTS, UH, BECAUSE THE GATES WERE LOCKED AND THEY HAD OFF. BUT I LEFT THE INFORMATION IN THE MAILBOXES WITH MY PHONE NUMBER AND I SHOWED EVERYBODY IN GENERAL THAT, UH, WE ARE HERE TO BE A VIABLE, UH, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, WE ARE TRULY GOING TO ENCOMPASS, UH, OTHER, UH, UH, SECURITY ISSUES, THE FENCING, THE BUFFERING, UH, AND, AND KEEP OUR FRONTAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ORIENTED TO SIN CLAIR WHERE THERE IS MORE, UH, INDUSTRIAL USE I ONE I TWO, AND THEN OF COURSE TO THE LEFT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT ON TWO PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT CASES W W I S C ONE, C TWO C THREE, AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE LOT, THERE WAS STILL, UH, D R FIVE, BUT THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION OR WE COULDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL. AND THEN GOING TO THE FRONTAGE OF SINCLAIR ITSELF, UH, ALL THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WERE STILL DESIGNATED TO THE RIGHT, GOING TOWARDS LOOP FOUR 10, UM, THE NEAREST, UH, ONE WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR ZONE WAS A GOOD SIX OR SEVEN LOTS AWAY THAT HAD A LIVABLE AROUND WHAT WE CALL RESIDENCE. AND THEN, UH, INCLUDING THE, THE THIRD LOT THAT'S GOING, UH, TO THE WEST, UH, AND REMAINED THAT AS R FIVE AND, UM, JUST USE THAT AS WHAT WE CALL, UH, A SIDE BUFFER YARD TOWARDS THAT OTHER RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER. JUST TO KEEP IN LIGHT WITH THE INTENTION OF KIND OF JUST MOVING THIS ONE CLOSER AND ABUTTING, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMERCIAL USE THAT, UH, IS BETWEEN SINCLAIR AND W WHITE. BUT AGAIN, UH, WE REACHED OUT TO OUR INTERESTED PARTIES BEST OF OUR ABILITY AND, UM, JUST FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO ANSWER THEIR, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. AND LEGITIMATELY THEY WERE ALL BASED, UH, ON DEVELOPING WHAT THEY CALL A MULTI STRIPP CENTER. AND, UH, WE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE THAT ANY LONGER. WE'RE GONNA DOWNSIZE IT EVEN, EVEN FURTHER AND JUST GO WITH WHAT WE CAN CALL A C ONE OR A COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL USE, UH, SINGLE STORY LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET AND GO FROM THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IF I HAVE A PARTICULAR DIRECTOR, I THINK . UM, SO, UM, BEFORE I ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, COULD YOU [02:15:01] TELL ME, UH, STAFF, UM, THE, THE, UH, MOTION, I MEAN IT WOULD BE RESULT OF THE CASE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WAS THERE AN AMENDMENT? UH, WHAT WHAT WERE THE YES, MA'AM. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED, UH, AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. THEY, THEY WENT WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL MM-HMM. . AND SO THAT DOES, UH, HAVE CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICTS OF NC ONE. NC ONE. OKAY. SO THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OH ONE. OKAY. NOW, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME FOR, UH, C ONE IN AN OH ONE, WHAT ARE THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, RESTRICTIONS AND HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, PLEASE? UH, FOR C ONE, THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS GOING TO BE 25 FEET. UH, THE BUILDING SIZE RESTRICTIONS ARE 5,000 SQUARE FEET FOR ONE BUILDING WITH AN AGGREGATE OF 15,000 FOR, UH, THREE BUILDINGS. UH, FOR OH ONE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS 25 FEET. THE BUILDING SIZE LIMITATION IS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT WITH A 90,000, UH, AGGREGATE, UH, BUILDING, UH, SIZE LIMITATIONS. OKAY. NOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, SO DOES THAT MEAN, SO THERE'S TWO LOTS HERE. IS THAT EVEN A POSSIBILITY FOR REBUILDINGS ON THESE WITHOUT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 5.9 ACRES. YEAH, YOU COULD HAVE THREE BUILDINGS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THE BUFFERING, UM, ON, UH, REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH OF THE, THE C ONE AND THE OH ONE, UH, THOSE WOULD BE TYPICALLY A 15 FOOT TYPE B BUFFER ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING. OKAY. WITH THE 30 FOOT SETBACK. 30 FOOT SETBACK, YES, MA'AM. AND THE, UM, LET ME ASK, OH, OH, THE USES FOR, UH, C ONE, UH, SOME, SOME EXAMPLE USES PLEASE. UH, SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE YOUR LIGHT COMMERCIAL USES. UH, IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY AU UH, AUTO TYPE USES MM-HMM. , UH, BUT UH, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR, UH, SMALL RETAIL, UH, OFFICE USES AND SOME LIGHT SERVICE, UH, USES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND, UM, UH, EITHER TO THE APPLICANT OR STAFF, I, I, I MIGHT HAVE TO BE THE STAFF BECAUSE I CANNOT TELL FROM THIS PICTURE. THERE'S A, A STRIP OF, UH, POWER LINES SOMEWHERE, EITHER ON 46 19 OR THE ONE TO THE RIGHT OF IT. WHERE THE, WHERE ARE THOSE POWER LINES AT? SHOULD BE THE RIGHT SHOULD BE TO THE RIGHT OF THOSE TWO LOTS. I THINK ONE IS P 10, THE OTHER ONE'S P 11, AND THEN THE, THE ONE THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS P 12 IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE POWER LINES ADJACENT TO, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT ALONE AND LEAVE IT AS A R FIVE AND CREATE A, WHAT WE CALL A ADJACENT BUFFER ZONE. 'CAUSE TECHNICALLY, TO BE HONEST, I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY BUILD ON THERE OTHER THAN MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK TO THE, UH, THE CITY IF THAT IS EVEN PLAUSIBLE. SOME FUTURE DATE IS MAYBE SOME KIND OF A PARKING, UM, BUT NO STRUCTURE TO BE BUILT NEAR THOSE POWER LINES. OKAY. SO I WAS, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HARRIS. SO, UH, I MM-HMM. , JUST, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THE DIRECTION THAT I'M, I'M HEADING, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH YOU UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. I COULDN'T GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH YOU. I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. . I UNDERSTAND. SO, UM, SO I HAVE BEEN, UM, IN CONTACT WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS AND SO I THINK WE, WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS TO IRON OUT. IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I DID HEAR FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND THEY MAY POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERING, UM, WHAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED WAS AN OFFICE. MM-HMM. , BUT I THINK WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE DETAILS TO IRON OUT. AND SO THE DIRECTION I PREFER TO GO IN IS THAT WE, UH, DO A CONTINUOUS, SO THAT WE HAVE A, A ANOTHER CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOURSELF AND MR. RIOS. UM, I, THAT'D BE GREAT. CAN SET A FORMAL MEETING, UH, FOR US AND KIND OF IRON OUT IF IT'S GONNA WORK OR NOT WORK, UH, WITH THE YES. AND, AND I AGREE THAT WAY WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TABLE AND, UH, THAT WE ALL LOOKING AT WHAT, UH, OUR PROSPECTS MIGHT BE AND THAT WE CAN FIT WHATEVER'S GIVEN TO US OR GRANTED TO US, THAT'S GONNA MEET THE INTENT. MM-HMM. OF, UH, THE ORIGINAL PLANNING AND, UH, ALL THAT OTHER GOOD STUFF. AND THEN, THEN OF COURSE, ELIMINATE [02:20:01] ALL THOSE CONCERNS OF, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING SOMETHING IN. AND THAT'S THE FURTHEST THING FROM OUR MIND IS, UH, WE WANT TO BE, WE'RE MORE ACCEPTABLE, TO BE MORE STRINGENT, TO BE MORE, UH, FEASIBLE TO JUST, UH, FORMAT, UH, WHATEVER WE CAN DO, JUST SO WE CAN DO THIS TYPE OF, UM, COMMERCIAL USE. OKAY. SO I'M, I, I, I TOTALLY AGREE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO I'LL BE, UM, REACHING OUT. HOPEFULLY STAFF WILL HELP US. UH, AND JUPI MANOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE FROM EASTERN TRIANGLE. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY, UH, MAYBE EVEN STAFF FROM, UH, COUNCIL, UH, DISTRICT THREE, UH, TO BE PRESENT FOR THAT. SO LET ME, UH, JUST, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION, UH, UH, RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, CONTINUE THIS MEETING. I MEAN, CONTINUE THIS CASE UNTIL, UH, SEPTEMBER 1ST, SECOND. THAT'D BE THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING. YES, SIR. SO, NO PROBLEM. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TILL SEPTEMBER 1ST BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. ANY COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY. UH, SEEING NONE, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRAU? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. AYE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SI. YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AYE. AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 TO ZERO. THANK YOU, MS. HARRIS. WOULD YOU LIKE THE NEXT ITEM, MA'AM? UH, LET ME CHECK. OH, LOOK, I SEE. OKAY. I ALREADY KNOW. . LET, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK. SO IT'S ABOUT, LET ME CHECK, UM, 3 0 2. SO JUST BEFORE, LIKE MAYBE 3 0 8, LET'S COME BACK. WE'RE GONNA MUTE OUR CAMERAS WHILE WE'RE ON BREAK. GO AHEAD CHAIR. OKAY, WE'RE READY TO CONTINUE ON WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. [7. 20-4691 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700158 CD (Council District 4): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-6 CD MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for two (2) dwelling units on Lot 18, Block 8, NCB 15508, located at 334 Altitude Drive. Staff recommends Approval. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, justin.malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ] ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AT THE REQUEST ZEN FROM R SIX TO R SIX D FOR TWO DWELLING UNIT WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AT 3, 3, 4 ALTITUDE DRIVE, THERE WERE 22 NOTICES. MAIL NONE. RECEIVED A FAVOR, FIVE RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION. TWO. RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION FROM OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA AND LACK WIND. KAREN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED, THEFT DOES NOT FIND LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PLANS. IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, THE BASE WILL REMAIN R SIX. THE PROPOSED R SIX CD MAINTAINS THE BASE AND IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING AS IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OTHER R SIX OAK PROPERTIES. THE CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWS CONSIDERATION OF TWO DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? I'M RIGHT, I'M RIGHT HERE. ROBERT RETA. YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, SIR, GO AHEAD. OKAY, JUST TO FOR CLARIFICATION, ROBERT RETA, I'M AT 9 0 0 6 MINT JULIP, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 2 1 5 2 5 1. UH, JUST A MATTER OF CLARIFICATION, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY THIS WAS APARTMENTS OR DUPLEXES. THESE ARE GONNA BE TOWN HOMES AND THEY'RE GONNA BE SOLD. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE RENTED OUT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE APARTMENTS, THEY'RE GONNA BE CONDO TOWNHOUSES. THEY'RE GONNA BE TWO SEPARATE ONES AND THEY'RE GONNA BE SOLD AS IS. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE ACTUAL, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE SOLD, THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD BELONG TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR WHATEVER. UM, IT REQUIRES THEM TO DO, BUT WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF RENTING WHATSOEVER. I HEARD THERE WERE GONNA BE APARTMENTS. THEY'RE NOT APARTMENTS, THEY'RE TOWN HOMES AND THEY OFFER SALE. THAT'D BE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, STAFF PUBLIC COMMENT OF [02:25:05] YES MA'AM. WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS TO READ. HENRIETTA RAMIREZ AT 26 27 IS IN OPPOSITION. NO WAY. ALBERT GUTIERREZ AT 26 17. OBSERVATION DRIVE IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE OF LOUD MUSIC DRUG POSSIBILITY. THE PROPERTY'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A TWO DWELLING UNIT. LOT, A LOT OF GUN FIRING HERE OPPOSED GLORIA TORRES AT 26 15. OBSERVATION IS OPPOSED, YES, RAMIREZ. I RESIDE NEXT TO 3 34 ALTITUDE STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE ABOVE ADDRESS HAS APPLIED TO HIS OWN, HIS PROPERTY. I AM ALSO AWARE THAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE TO BUILD A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING. I HAVE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS AND AM IN TOTAL OPPOSITION OF HIS REQUEST DIMENSION. PROPERTY HAS BEEN AN EMPTY LOT FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS AFTER THE HOUSE BURNED DOWN. I HAVE HAD MANY ISSUES WITH THIS PROPERTY AS IT IS SELDOM MAINTAINED. NCE, CONSTANTLY CROSSOVER, SEE WHAT THEY CAN TAKE FROM THE BUILDING IN THE BACKYARD. THE STORAGE IS INVESTED WITH GRASS AND OTHER ANIMALS. SINCE THE OWNER HAS BOUGHT IT, HE HAS LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS NOT CONCERNED FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE LANDOWNER. JUST BECAUSE OWNERS DO NOT LIVE ON THE PROPERTY, THEY ARE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE KEPT CLEAN. PLUS IT, THAT IS UNFAIR TO US HOMEOWNERS THAT WORK HARD TO KEEP OUR PROPERTY CLEAN. I WILL BE ONE OWNER TO HAVE IT TO DEAL WITH THESE PROBLEMS, NOT YOU OR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. BY NO MEANS IS MY HOME THE BEST, BUT I WORK HARD TO KEEP IT CLEAN AND OWNER. I CAN MAKE MY PROPERTY LOOKS DEVALUED. I HAVE NO ISSUE IF HE WERE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT MULTI-FAMILY IS UNREASONABLE IN MY OPINION. HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN BUILDING THE LEASE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, HE WILL NOT ENCOUNTER THE PROBLEMS THAT I WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. FOR ONE, THE PROPERTY IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR A DUPLEX BUILDING. THERE WILL BE AN ISSUE WITH PARKING SPACES. FOR ONE, THE AVERAGE FAMILY OWNS TWO VEHICLES AND I CAN ALREADY SEE ISSUE WITH THAT. THEY WILL HAVE VISITORS AND CARS WILL BE PARKED IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE OF MY HOME. IN THIS PART OF TOWN, MOST HOMES HAVE MULTI-FAMILIES LIVING IN ONE SMALL SPACE. SO AGAIN, MORE PROBLEMS. PLEASE TAKE MY CONCERN SERIOUSLY. I CURRENTLY LIVE NEXT TO A TWO STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX AND FOR SOME STRANGE REASON, THE TENANTS TEND TO THROW THEIR TRASH OUT OF THEIR WINDOWS ONTO MY PROPERTY. I I HAVE ENCOUNTERED BABY DIAPERS, TOILET TISSUE, FEMININE NAPKINS, CONDOMS, THAT EVEN SYRINGE NEEDLES HAVING GRANDKIDS DANGEROUS WHEN THEY WANT TO PLAY IN THE BACKYARD. COMPLEXES HAS SO MANY OWNERS. AND YES, I ADDRESS ISSUES WITHOUT SUCCESS. THAT WAS AT THREE 30. ALTITUDE ANGELICA NESS. RIGHT. I HOPE THAT MY LETTER FINDS YOU IN TIME BEFORE MAKING YOUR DECISION TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AT 3 34 ALTITUDE. I AM A CURRENT RESIDENT OF THE LACKLAND TERRA NEIGHBORHOOD. I GREW UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND MADE THE CHOICE TO MOVE BACK TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO RAISE MY CHILD. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE SEEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUE TO DECLINE IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. I'VE SEEN A DECREASE IN DRUG, AN INCREASE IN DRUG ACTIVITY, LOUD GATHERING WELL INTO THE EARLY MORNING HOURS, AS WELL AS AN INCREASE OF GUNSHOTS HEARD THROUGH WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I CORRELATE THESE NEGATIVE ACTIVITIES TO THE NUMBER OF LOW INCOME MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT ARE CONTINUING TO BE BUILT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. LONGTIME HOMEOWNERS DO NOT DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS OVERRUN BY THIS TYPE OF NEGATIVE ACTIVITY. NO CHILD NEEDS TO GROW UP IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. I HAVE THE LUXURY OF MOVING. I I HAVE THE LUXURY OF MOVING, WHEREAS MOST PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DO NOT. RATHER THAN MOVE, I CHOOSE TO STAY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. REZONING THE THREE REZONING, THE 3, 3 4 ALTITUDE DRIVE PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WILL ONLY BE ADDING TO THE PROBLEM IN MY OPINION, AND I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO IT. MULTI-FAMILY UNITS INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD FOR MULTIPLE PARKS ON THE STREET, AN INCREASE IN TRASH AROUND THE PROPERTY, AN INCREASE IN LATE NIGHT, EARLY MORNING ACTIVITY, PARTIES, LOUD MUSIC, AND AN INCREASE IN DRUG ACTIVITY AND GUN VIOLENCE. THE PROPERTY AT 3 34 ALTITUDE DRIVE COULD INSTEAD BE USED AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT. THAT PROPERTY COULD BE USED TO DRAW IN A POTENTIAL LONG-TERM HOME [02:30:01] HOMEOWNER WHO COULD ADD TO THE PROPERTY VALUE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT APPEALS TO MORE HOMEOWNERS WHO WOULD INVEST, TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR HOME. RICHARD SOUTHARD, RIGHT AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 3 38 ALTITUDE. I'M AGAINST THE REZONING OF THE, OF THE ADJACENT OF THE ADJACENT TO MINE AND WORRIED ABOUT ENCROACHMENT OF THE OWNER WANTING TO USE SOME OF MY LAND FOR A DRIVEWAY TO ALLOW THE RESIDENT TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY AFTER IT IS BUILT. IF THIS IS ALLOWED TO BE FILLED, I AM WORRIED ABOUT WHERE IS THE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK. PLEASE KEEP ME INFORMED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. MY NAME IS DAVID , THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 3 38 MELINDA CHUGA. THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. THE REFERENCE TO THE REFERENCED ZONING CASE IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. IN LIGHT OF THE CURRENT OVERABUNDANCE OF RENTAL AND MOBILE UNITS LOCATED ON ALTITUDE DRIVE, THE LACKLAND TERRA NEIGHBORHOOD IS OPPOSED TO APPROVING ANOTHER TWO SWELLING UNITS LAST WEEK. I PERSONALLY, THE REFERENCE AREA, ANY OF THE UNITS ARE IN DIRE NEED OF IMPROVEMENT MAINTENANCE. THEREFORE AN ADDITIONAL ONE EXACERBATES THE CURRENT SITUATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MELINDA, THE TWO PRESIDENT HARRIS NEIGHBORHOOD. TERRY MCFADDEN TO ALL CONCERNS, I AM A RESIDENT LIVING AND GREW UP IN THIS AREA. I AM OPPOSED TO BUILDING ANY MULTIPLE UNIT PROPERTY ON 3 34 ALTITUDE. IT SHOULD REMAIN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. DEAD MULTI LIVING FACILITIES IN THE AREA ARE NOT MANAGED AND KEPT TO A MINIMAL STANDARD. I SEE THIS JUST ADDING TO THE EXISTING PROBLEMS WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE AREA. THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY A COMPANY FOR EXTRA BUSINESS PROFIT WITH THE INTENTIONS THAT OUR OLDER COMMUNITY AND LOW INCOME AREA WOULD NOT HAVE THE BEING SUCCESSFULLY OPPOSE THEIR LAWYERS. CHANGES OF ZONING. YOU CAN GOOGLE REVIEW FOR ANY APARTMENTS, HOTELS, IN THE AREA. YOU WILL FIND REVIEWS OF DRUG STEALING, PROSECUTION, BURGLARY, DOMESTIC ABUSE, MULTIPLE POLICE CALLS, HOMELESS MENTALLY ILL AND DRUG ADDICTED. LIVING IN VACANT BUSINESS PREPARED NEEDED LOITERING, INSECT MAN INFESTATION, PROPERTY NOT MAINTAINED AND MUCH FOR, I BEG THAT YOU DO NOT LET THE BUILDERS, THEIR EXPENSIVE LAWYER COME TO OUR COMMUNITY BUY UP. SO VACANT CAN PROPERTY CONTENTIONS THAT THEY CAN JUST CHANGE THE ZONING AND DO WHAT THEY WANT BECAUSE NO ONE IS WATCHING OR CARESS. I INVITE EVERYONE TO COME AND RENT AN APARTMENT OR HOTEL IN THE VICINITY OF 3 34 ALTITUDE AND B R S FOR A MONTH WALKING AREA. MEET THE LOCAL. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. TERRY MC, CONCERN, LACK WITH PARISH RESIDENCE. THOSE ARE ALL OF THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU. UM, WITH THE, UM, APPLICANT, LIKE, UH, TIME TO RESPOND. SIR, WHAT'S THE APPLICANT'S NAME AGAIN? I, OKAY, I'M SORRY. HELLO. YES, THIS IS BOBBY RETA. OKAY. UH, I, I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS AND, AND SEE IF I CAN GET WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN TO SHOW THEM WHAT ACTUALLY IS BEING BUILT THERE. EVERYBODY'S UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT PARKING'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM OR WHATEVER. PARKING'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE PARKING'S GONNA BE IN BACK OF IT. IT IS A TOWNHOUSE, IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT AGAIN, LET ME REITERATE ON ALL THAT. OKAY. IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT, IT'S A TOWNHOUSE AND THEY OFFER SALE. I'D LIKE TO TABLE IT TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO ATTEND ANOTHER HOMEOWNER'S MEETING. THE LAST HOMEOWNER'S MEETING I WENT TO WAS JANUARY 22ND WHERE I, WHICH I WAS INVITED TO BY MELINDA. I I, I DID GO OVER THERE AND I SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND AT THAT TIME, I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION, BUT THINGS CHANGED EVERY DAY. OBVIOUSLY THINGS CHANGE, UH, BECAUSE OF ONE NEIGHBOR. UH, HE CLAIMED THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE BOTHERING HIS DRIVEWAY. WE'RE NOT BOTHERING NO DRIVEWAY WHATSOEVER. NO, NO DRIVEWAY'S GONNA BE BROKEN INTO, BROKEN DOWN IN ANOTHER DRIVEWAY BEING BUILT. THAT'S NOT TRUE. BUT I'D LIKE TO, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TABLE THIS AND GO BACK TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO APPROVE OUR SURVEY. AND IF THEY DON'T APPROVE IT, THEN THAT'S SO BE IT. BUT I'D LIKE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK OUT THERE. UH, I TRIED TO GET AHOLD OF 'EM SINCE JANUARY 21ST AND SINCE MARCH, UM, NOTHING WAS DONE, UH, DUE TO C OVID 19. BUT NOW THAT THEY [02:35:01] SAY THAT THEY'RE BACK IN SESSION, I'D LOVE TO GO BACK AND VISIT WITH 'EM IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. IF, IF YOU'LL HOLD ON. UH, SIR. UM, COMMISSIONER KAMATH. OH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, MR. HERRERA, DO YOU KNOW, UH, OR HAVE YOU INQUIRED AS TO WHEN IS THE NEXT HOMEOWNER'S MEETING WILL BE? I'LL, I'LL CALL. UH, I'LL EMAIL MELINDA AND FIND OUT. AND IF IT'S VIRTUAL, SO BE IT. IT'LL BE VIRTUAL. UH, THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS, UH, IT APPEARS THAT YOU WANT TO TABLE, YOU MEAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS? YOU, YOU MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEN COME BACK TO THE SCHEDULE, THE MEETING, UH, REASON HEARING AGAIN THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? I, SO GO AHEAD. SO, OH, I'M SORRY. UM, MR. ER, WE DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID WHEN HE ASKED YOU, WERE YOU OKAY WITH HER, TINA? I THINK THE TIMEFRAME IS WHAT YOU'RE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT COMMISSIONER KAON? YES. WELL, THE THING IS, IS THAT I KNOW THERE'S A TIMEFRAME ON IT. YES. BUT THE THING IS, IS IF I'M GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOW THESE PEOPLE WHAT ACTUALLY IS BEING DONE, I GUARANTEE YOU ONLY I I HEARD ONE NAME ON THAT LIST. I, I'M SORRY, SIR. I THINK ONLY ONE THE QUESTION. I THINK IF I'M, I'M SORRY TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. SO THE, THE CHOICES ARE, WE HAVE A TWO WEEK AND WE HAVE A FOUR WEEK. AND SO SINCE YOU'RE NOT SURE ABOUT, UH, WHEN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING IS, IS THAT I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY, YEAH. I'M SORRY. I WOULD SAY A GOOD WINDOW WOULD BE FOUR WEEK. OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER PAMAN? YES. OKAY. SORRY. OKAY. MY PROBLEM. OKAY. LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. HERRERA. THE, UH, IT APPEARS THAT THE, UH, MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS DID NOT WANT YOU TO DO, UH, TWO DWELLINGS ON THIS LAW. UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DOING A SINGLE, UH, FAMILY ON THIS LOT? 'CAUSE YOU WANT TO SEND THEM ANYWAY? AGAIN, I I'D LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND TALK TO 'EM AND SHOW EVERYBODY WHAT'S GOING ON. EVERYBODY HAS MISINTERPRETED WHAT'S GOING ON. OUT OF THE LIST THAT YOU MENTIONED OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, I, I, I TWO PEOPLE WERE THAT AT, AT HOMEOWNERS. THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THEY'RE NEIGHBORS AND THEY RECEIVE LETTERS. YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. NOW, MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY? I REALLY UNDERSTAND. YOU BARELY HEAR YOU. OKAY. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UH, BUILDING ONLY ONE HOUSE ON THIS LOT? IT'S GONNA BE A DUPLEX. IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A ONE HOLE. ONE HOLE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE DIVIDED IN TWO. OKAY. TOWN. I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION. RIGHT NOW, YOUR, UH, YOUR SITE PLAN SERVES? YES. IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN. YEAH. IT SERVES TWO UNITS. BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ONE UNIT? HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED DOING JUST ONE UNIT? WELL, WHATEVER THE SITE PLAN SAYS, I, I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'M AT A JOB SITE RIGHT NOW ON 1604, AND I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WHATEVER FRANK, UH, TE IS THE ARCHITECT SENT, HE SENT A SITE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUT THERE. OH, OKAY. UH, IN THAT EVENT, UH, SO YOU ARE OKAY WITH THE GETTING A CONTINUANCE FOR FOUR WEEKS ON THIS WAS ON THE CASE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. WE'RE I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, I PASS TO ANY OTHER SURE. ALL RIGHT. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, I SEE NO HANDS. UH, COMMISSIONER CAYMAN. SO, UH, [02:40:02] CHAIR, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADMIT, UH, MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUING THIS CASE, UH, FOR FOUR WEEKS TO SEPTEMBER THE 15TH. UH, HEARING SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TILL, UH, SEPTEMBER 15TH BY COMMISSIONER KAMATH. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NO DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. COMMISSIONER REESE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE A AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 TO ZERO. ALL. [10. 20-4623 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700161 (Council District 4): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "MF-25 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Low Density Multi-Family Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on 18.042 acres out of CB 4295 and CB 4301, generally located in the 13000 block of Watson Road. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2020-11600044) (Lorianne Thennes, Planner 210-207-7945, lorianne.thennes@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department) ] ALRIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM IS 10 AND THIS HAS A REFUSAL BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS MUTED HER MICROPHONE AND HER CAMERA. THANK YOU MA'AM. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO MF 25 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 13,000 BLOCK OF WATSON ROAD, THERE WERE 10 NOTICES MAILED, BUT ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE CURRENT C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED MF 25 LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY BRINGS OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? YES, I BELIEVE KEVIN IS ON THE LINE. KEVIN, GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE ZONING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS KEVIN DIANDA WITH BROWN AND ORTIZ ONE 12 EAST PECAN REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT. THIS PROPERTY IS AN APPROXIMATELY 18 ACRE TRACK, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOMERSET AND WATSON ROAD IN DISTRICT FOUR AND IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF SOUTHWEST LEGACY HIGH SCHOOL AND RESNICK MIDDLE SCHOOL. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED C TWO AND TODAY WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING A ZONING AMENDMENT TO MF 25 TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT. THIS WILL ALLOW CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA THAT IS COMMERCIAL ALONG SUMMERSET WITH MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BEHIND AN ASSOCIATED PLAN. AMENDMENT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK AND APPROVED STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. I ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS STAFF? YES. THE REASON THAT WE UH, ALSO HAD TO MOVE IT OVER TO INDIVIDUAL IS 'CAUSE THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL TO PLAY AND IT HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, SO WE WILL PLAY THAT NEXT STANDBY. THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS SALVADOR FLORES REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF 1 2 7 8 7 SOMERSET ROAD IN REGARDS TO ZONING CASE 1 6 1. AND WE WERE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC IMPACT. UH, RIGHT NOW SOMERSET ROAD IS TWO LANES AND WITH THIS, UH, 300 SOME ODD, UH, UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, ACCESS ON SOMERSET ROAD AS THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AND WE WANTED TO FIND OUT IF, UM, THERE WAS ANY INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO MAYBE POTENTIAL DECELERATION LANES OR ACCELERATION LANES. EXPANSION OF THE, UH, OF, OF SOMERSET ROAD. AND ALSO WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT UTILITIES. I BELIEVE THERE'S WATER SERVICE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF SOMERSET AND WE'RE WONDERING WHAT THE, UM, DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO DO WITH REGARDS TO SANITARY ZOO OR SERVICE OUT IN THAT AREA. PLUS WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED THAT THE AREA IS VERY FLAT AND REGARDING STORMWATER DRAINAGE, IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY SORT OF, UH, STORMWATER DETENTION [02:45:01] REQUIREMENT OUT THERE. AND WHAT'S THE CONCEPTUAL IDEA ON HOW TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE? THOSE ARE, UH, THREE ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON. IF YOU CAN PLEASE RELAY THIS, UH, DURING THE HEARING. APPRECIATED AGAIN SOUTH. SO REPRESENTING THE OWNERS FOR ONE TWO SEVEN EIGHT SEVEN SOMERSET ROAD. PHONE NUMBER TWO TEN THREE NINE TWO ZERO ZERO THREE SIX. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, KEVIN? YES. MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE. THIS IS, UH, I'M GONNA KICK IT OVER TO NICK WALSH WITH N R P. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS NICK WALSH WITH THE N R P GROUP 200 CONCORD PLAZA. UH, IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTIONS ON THE VOICEMAIL, UH, THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF STEPS TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS UP TO ALL OF THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, INCLUDING, UH, ON SOMERSET ROAD. THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, ROUGH, ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY AS WELL AS DECELERATION LANES, TURN LANES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS COMING TO THIS AREA, INCLUDING WATSON ROAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING IMPROVED AND PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS BY TXDOT FOR SOMERSET ROAD IN THE NEAR FUTURE, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF SEWER AND WATER AND THINGS, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THAT THE CALLER BROUGHT UP. UH, CURRENTLY WE ARE COORDINATING WITH SAWS AND THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF HOME BUILDERS IN THE AREA ON EXPANDING AND IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS IMPROVING DRAINAGE THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE AREA. UM, SO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WILL BE ADDRESSED. WE WILL ALSO, UH, OF COURSE HAVE ONSITE DETENTION THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT, UH, WE WILL NOT BE CAUSING A BURDEN FOR DRAINAGE TO ANY NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AND THAT WILL ALL BE HANDLED AND IN FACT, POTENTIALLY EVEN IMPROVED FROM THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AS IT IS. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER PAYMAN, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR APPLICANT, UH, KEVIN ON THIS, UH, PLAN AMENDMENT, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THIS, UH, CASE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PLAN, AMENDMENT AND PLANNING COMMISSION. ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. SO THAT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE PRESENT THIS ZONING AMENDMENT. I DO NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M GONNA PASS TO, UH, UH, ANY QUESTIONS. THE, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONER? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KAMATH. ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, I'M TRYING TO FIND IT ON THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE. WHAT WAS THE PLAN? WHAT WAS THE AMENDMENT? WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT YOU'RE ASKING, PLANNING FOR OR ASK PLANNING FOR? SO THE PLAN IS CURRENTLY SUBURBAN TIER AND WE ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO GENERAL URBAN TIER. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY. COMMISSIONER CAYMAN. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THE, UH, UH, I MOVE THAT THE THE, UH, THERE'S ONLY APPLICATION ON THE ITEM NUMBER 10. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. ANY, UM, DISCUSSION? ANY COMMISSIONERS? NO. UH, C NONE. ROLL CALL. VOTE. COMMISSIONER GRAU. SHE'S RECUSAL, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S RIGHT. SHE'S A RECUSAL. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I SEE COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE A AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. NINE WITH ONE ABSTENTION. [02:50:02] OKAY. AND NOW, UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. OH, YOU CAN COME BACK ON CAMERA. UH, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. RECORD SHALL, UH, COMMISSIONER GRAU HAS REJOIN THE MEETING. [12. 20-4692 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700164 (Council District 7): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 H AHOD" Residential Single-Family Monticello Park Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District and "R-6 H UC-3 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Monticello Park Historic Fredericksburg Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 H AHOD" Commercial Monticello Park Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District and "C-2 H UC-3 AHOD" Commercial Monticello Park Historic Fredericksburg Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lots 18-23, and the east 40 feet of Lot 17, Block 17, NCB 6707, located at 2507 Fredericksburg Road.Staff recommends Approval. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, justin.malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ] ALRIGHT, THE FINAL ITEM TODAY IS ITEM NUMBER 12 TO REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX AND R SIX H U C THREE TO C TWO H AND C TWO H U C THREE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 25 0 7 REDERICK ROAD. THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED. ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR OF R SIX SS ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION TO C TWO AND MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT OF R SIX SS LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS. UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DID NOT RESPOND. THE APPLICANT IS AMENDING THEIR REQUEST TO R SIX SS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY. THIS DOES TRY TRIGGER A PLAN'S AMENDMENT TO LOW DENSITY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER THE NINTH, 2020. STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIGHTLY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST AS AMENDED. IT DOES MAINTAIN THE BASE R SIX DISTRICT AND THE S ALLOWS CONSIDERATION OF THE CHILDCARE FACILITY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS AMENDED. UH, THE APPLICANT IS NOT ANSWERING THEIR PHONE OR UNABLE TO GET A HOLD OF THEM. UM, SO I'LL JUST, UH, TURN IT OVER TO BACK TO YOU CHAIR AND, UM, COMMISSIONER SIPES AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER SIPES. WELL THAT IS, THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WORKS OUT REALLY WELL BECAUSE ONE OF THE, WE WERE GOING TO, TO, UM, ASK TO CONTINUE IT FOR TWO WEEKS TO THE SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING. UM, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT THAT, THAT IS PLANNED AND, UM, WE'VE, UH, JUST WANT TO A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE SITE PLAN THAT WE JUST RECEIVED TODAY. UM, SO SHOULD I JUST MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW THEN? OKAY. WE'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 12 TO CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER 1ST, SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE BY COMMISSIONER SIPES, UM, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS. C NONE. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRAU? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER CAYMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, ARE YOU? YES. YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SITES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UH, UH, CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 ZERO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO THAT IS OUR LAST CASE. UM, LET ME JUST FIRST SAY [19. 20-4782 Consideration and Approval of the Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes for August 4, 2020 ] I, I WILL GET SIGNATURES, UH, ON THE MINUTES TO SEND TO YOU TODAY. BY THE WAY, IN THE MEANTIME, FOR THE LAST, UM, MEETINGS, MINUTES, UM, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS ON THE MINUTES? OKAY. THEN MAYBE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL. AND A SECOND PLEASE. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE, UH, MIN, I'M SORRY, THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UM, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER PAYMENTS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SYKE? YES. COMMISSIONER [02:55:01] BUSANTE. UH, AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 TO ZERO. OKAY. NOW, UM, SHALL WE, UH, START AT 12 INSTEAD OF 1230? UH, NEXT MEETING. SO, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING OVER WHEN WE, SOME OF OUR WORK SESSIONS, SO IT'S 12 O'CLOCK SUFFICIENT OR DO WE NEED TO GO EARLIER? WHAT'S THE THOUGHTS HERE FROM, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS? WELL, WE GET A BREAK, SO WE'RE GOING MEET AT 12 AND THEN BREAK. SO THAT GIVE US A LITTLE MORE HEADS UP TIME BEFORE ONE O'CLOCK. MM-HMM. IF 12 O'CLOCK IS ENOUGH TIME IS THE QUESTION. 'CAUSE IF NOT, MAYBE WE NEED TO START 1145. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE THINKING? 'CAUSE WE, UM, OH, WELL, WHAT DO WE, WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT? NO, NO, NO, NO. IT'S, IT'S MY BRAIN. IT GOT STUCK. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I WAS THINKING LIKE WE ALREADY APPROVED THE RESOLUTION. I, BUT NEVERMIND. BUT I'M STILL SAYING. UM, BUT WE ARE RUNNING OVER REGULARLY. SO HOW'S IT EVERYBODY? YOU THINK WE CAN FINISH OUR WORK SESSION BEING ON TIME BY, UH, STARTING AT 1230? I SEE. I SEE THAT'S IN, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO STAFF, PLEASE ALWAYS LET US KNOW IF WE DO NEED TO BUMP IT EARLIER. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT COULD CAUSE US TO GO, LIKE, WE SHOULD HAVE PLANNED BETTER, I GUESS, THIS PAST MEETING. ALRIGHT, WELL, OKAY. I'M GONNA LET Y'ALL GO. THANK Y'ALL. EVERYBODY LOVE THE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT AND YOUR WONDERFUL SERVICE. BLESSINGS AND SUCCESS TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. EVERYONE. MEETING'S ADJOURNED. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK EVERYBODY. BYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.