* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:18] HEY JEFF, WE'RE LINE. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 19TH, 2020. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? [Roll Call] YES. FERNANDEZ FISH. HERE. BBS HERE. HERE. SORRY. HERE . HERE, HERE, HERE. OKAY. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, WE [Announcements] DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES [Chairman’s Statement] STATEMENT, PLEASE. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY IN THE RIVER AND IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN, IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. YES, THANK YOU. UM, WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF CASES TO GET TO TODAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UM, THERE IS A CASE ON THE SCREEN, UH, 11 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. PET, IF YOU COULD PLEASE . YEAH. UM, SO WE'LL [Public Comments] BEGIN BY READING COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR THOSE ITEMS. UM, FOLLOWING THAT WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FROM THE CONSENT INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION. UM, AND AS A REMINDER, THERE ARE SOME LETTERS THAT WILL NOT BE READ THAT WILL RECEIVE AT DEADLINE OR IN A FORMAT WE CURRENT READ. UM, SO THOSE HAVE BEEN . UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS ITEM NUMBER 2 3 23 SOUTH ALAMO. UM, WE HAVE A WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY 13 INDIVIDUALS. THE NAMES ARE MARCY NEWMAN, BRETT SAYER, FELMAN KO, BRUCE BETH, JUDITH HARTMAN, GORDON EDWARD SCHULTZ, ANNA MCALLISTER, BELINDA LGE, OWEN SEIDENBERG, DAVID L CHE, JANNA KAY, EY, JIM HOLBECK, ESCOBAR LI AND DAVIDSON. IT SAYS, AS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN SPACE ALLOWED FOR A NIGHT IN SAN ANTONIO, THE VERMEER FIESTA EVENT THAT HAS PROVIDED OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR LOBBY, AND THE FIESTA EVENTS ARE PART OF WHAT BROUGHT US TO THIS AREA OF DOWNTOWN. AND THE PRIVATIZATION OF THIS SPACE IS UNACCEPTABLE. PLEASE VOTE NOW. THE NEXT IS AMY SANCHEZ, 2 0 6 RIDGECREST. [00:05:01] AS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IN SAN ANTONIO, I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN SPACE. UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE SAME STATEMENT, SO SHE SHOULD BE INCLUDED BY THIS. UM, THE NEXT IS CHRISTOPHER SULLIVAN ON 18 GRADE DRIVE. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE A MISTAKE BY REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE PLAZA. AS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE SPACE OF WILD FROM ROSA. YES. EVENT THAT IS PROVIDED OVER HABIT CITY EACH YEAR. AND NEXT IS MARGARET LEEDS. AS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, I URGE YOU TO REFRAIN FROM REDUCING PUBLIC SPACES FOR PRIVATE USE THE MAVERICK PLAZA FOR US TO ENJOY AS A PUBLIC PLAZA. NEXT IS KAREN DAVIS. UM, AS A MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO WATA. IN ADDITION TO SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR MEOSA THE SOCIETY'S MAIN FUNDRAISER, IT ALSO WOULD REDUCE THE CHARM OF THE LITTLE VILLAGE AND EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. AND THAT SAYS LINDSAY, UM, RECA. I'M SIGNIFICANTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGES BEING CONSIDERED FOR MARICK PLAZA, ESPECIALLY IN CONSIDERATION TO THE CHANGES WE'LL MAKE FOR THAT EACH YEAR THERE'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY. UM, THE NEXT IS LINDA SCOTT HAS A NUMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, AND ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN SPACE LAB FOR OSA, UM, AND IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS THE LARGEST FUNDRAISER FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE COUNTRY. NEXT IS ROBERT LEY. THE CONSERVATION SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO HAS LONG BEEN INVOLVED IN ARD BO, ESPECIALLY THROUGH OUR HELD. THIS EVENT HAS PROVIDED SOME OR 307 $7,000 IN FUNDING OF FAITH INCAP BARE MAOP PLAZA OVER THE LAST DECADE. THE CURRENT PLAN FOR MAOP PLAZA WILL REDUCE THE PUBLIC PLAZA BY ALMOST HALF DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW BUILDINGS ENTERS KIOSK, HOW PROCEEDING IT IS OF DEMONSTRATION KITCHEN. WHILE THEY UNDERSTAND THE GOALS OF ACTIVATING LATA, UM, AND THE BUILDING ON THE CITY'S GASTRONOMIC DESIGNATION WOULD MENT THE ONGOING PRIVATIZATION OF PUBLIC SPACE AS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS SIGNIFICANT DUCTION IN THE SPACE ALLOWED FOR EVENT THAT HAS PROVIDED OVER THE CITY EACH YEAR. THE NEXT IS MARY ZEL. UM, AS FAR AS YES, . UM, INSTEAD OF IT BEING MARICK PLAZA, WHY CAN'T IT BE THE AIR CONDITIONED ? WHAT ELSE IS THERE DURING THIS TIME, IT WAS BUILT TOO BIG FOR BASKETBALL, TOO SMALL FOR ANY OTHER SPORT. WHY COULDN'T IT FIT US? THE NEXT IS DAVID SANCHEZ. SO PEOPLE ATTENDING OSA, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION AND ITS SPACE IN MAVERICK PLAZA, THE FRONTIER TOWN AREA. MAVERICK PLAZA IS ONE OF THE ICONIC AREAS THAT IS POPULAR. OSA ATTENDEES, THE AREA WILL NOT BE THE SAME ONCE THE NEW RESTAURANTS ARE ADDED. THE, UM, AREAS WILL A SHADOW OF ITSELF FROM PREVIOUS YEARS AND SURE THAT THE PROCEEDS FROM THE FOOD, BEER, BREW AND MAVE PLAZA ARE A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO NOAH'S REVENUES. AND ULTIMATELY, THE MONEY HELPED RAISED, HELPS THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY MEET ITS GOAL AND PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. THE NEXT IS PAULA BONDERANT AND RELUCTANT TO REDUCE THE SPACE AVAILABLE TO THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, AN ORGANIZATION WHICH HAS BEEN VITAL TO SAN ANTONIO FROM OSA, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT ITS CONSENT. NEXT IS SALLY LEE. I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR 50 YEARS. I'M A NATIVE OF SAN ANTONIO AND LOVE THIS HIS LOVE, THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, THE IMAGES OF YOUR PROPOSED VISION OF LATA DOES NOT EVEN REFLECT ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THESE PROPOSED NEW RESTAURANTS GO OUT BUSINESS? WE HAVE ALREADY RUINED THE VILLAGE THAT IS THERE. NEXT IS APRIL SMITH ABEL. I'M WRITING TO EXPRESS CONCERN OVER THE CITY'S DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL FOR MAVERICK CLOSET. WHILE I CAN EMBRACE THE IDEA OF HAVING QUALITY RESTAURANTS IN LATA IN AN OPEN CONCEPT, PROVIDE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO LATA, AND I'D EMBRACE THE WAY WHICH THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AS A NATIVE AND RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO, STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE PRIVATIZATION AND PUBLIC SPACE. AS A MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, I'M FURTHER CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT AND PRIVATIZATION, UM, WILL HAVE ON EVENTS SUCH AS NINE AND OLD SAN ANTONIO, WHICH BRINGS OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO THE CITY FOR NIGHT EVENT, I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT AND REDESIGN THE IMPACT THIS REDESIGN WILL HAVE ON AN EVENT THAT HAS GRACE SAN 70. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF BUILDINGS WERE CONSTRUCTED OR ADDED ONTO IN A WAY THAT HAS NOT OVERTAKE MAVERICK PLAZA. IT WILL ENSURE OSA IS ABLE TO CONTINUE AS A VIABLE OPTION. UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH SACS AND OSA SHOULD BE AN INTEGRAL PART TO ANY DESIGN CHANGES AND ALL OF THE AREAS OF OSA ARE QUIET AND OPEN TO ATTENDEES AND TEAR. TOWN OF MAVERICK PLAZA DRAWS A CROWD AS KNOWN FOR THE SAYING, MEET ME AT THE WINDMILL AND TEAR TOWN IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST MONEY MAKER OF FORTNIGHT EVENT. AS NOTED INITIALLY, I APPRECIATED THE CITY'S DESIRE TO REVITALIZE LOBBY TO HAVE A PLAZA. WHAT I AND HAVE CONCERN FOR IS THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING HANDLED FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT AS WELL AS THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON A WELL LOVED AND WELL ATTENDED FIESTA EVENT, AND THAT AS THE CITY WILL LOSE AS A RESULT OF THIS FAR REACHING DECISION. [00:10:02] UM, THE NEXT IS JOYCE FELT CITIES REQUIRE LARGE PUBLIC SPACES FOR GATHERINGS LIKE NASO, PUBLIC AND GENERAL WILL BENEFIT FROM, WILL NOT BENEFIT FROM DIVIDING MAVERICK PLAZA INTO SMALLER AREAS. THE NEXT IS MARY ROGERS MAVERICK PLAZA, A PEOPLE'S PLAZA FOR WHICH, WHICH FOUR YEARS HAS BEEN THE EVENT PLACE FOR QUINCEANERAS WEDDINGS, EXCEPTIONS BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND SO FORTH WILL BE CHANGED TO A PRIVATE RESTAURANT PLAZA. BUT THE THREE PLANNED PRIVATE RESTAURANTS AND FOOD KIOSK FACING THE SURROUNDING SIDEWALKS GO DOWN THE WALLS, DOWN GO THE WALLS WHICH GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF A HISTORIC VILLAGE, PROVIDE PRIVACY FOR THE EVENTS TAKING PLACE THERE WITH THE RESTAURANT'S PLANTERS, CONCRETE SEATING, LIGHTING. THERE WILL BE BARELY BE ROOM FOR SHUFFLEBOARD UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE TREE. REPLACING THE WALLS WILL BE AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE COST FOR THE CITY. I URGE YOU TO REVISIT THIS PLAN AND ENSURE ALL CITIZENS CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE ROOM FOR THEIR EVENTS ON THIS PLAZA, ESPECIALLY FOR SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF OSA, WHICH PROCEEDS HAVE DONE SO MUCH FOR SAN ANTONIO. UM, THE NEXT IS ROSEMARY KOWSKI. I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN SPACE, UM, ALLOWED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES. WE DO, WE DO NOT NEED ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS OR KIOSK, ESPECIALLY KIOSKS THAT MAIN PLAZA ARE REUTILIZED. UM, THE NEXT IS JASMINA WELLINGHOFF MAVERICK PLAZA IS A UNIQUE PUBLIC SPACE FOR GATHERINGS OF ALL TYPES. IT SHOULD NOT BE CROWDED WITH EXTRA BUILDINGS, KIOSK OR OTHER COMMERCIAL ADDITIONS. IT'S A HISTORIC PLACE AS IS. THE REST OF LA VITA SHOULD NOT BE SPOILED WITH ANY NEW PERMANENT ADDITIONS. A FEW BENCHES ARE OKAY, BUT PLEASE LET US HAVE MAVERICK PLAZA AS IT IS IN A WELCOMING, AUTHENTIC THANK YOU. NEXT IS LAURA BUTTERFIELD. UM, AS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF BEAR COUNTY, I'M PROUD OF OUR PUBLIC PLA PLAZAS. MAVERICK PLAZA IS A POWERFUL EXAMPLE OF A DYNAMIC AND INTEGRAL PART OF OUR COMMON HERITAGE, A PLACE TO ENJOY ON A PEACEFUL MORNING, AS WELL AS A PLAZA RESONANT WITH SAN ANTONIO. CELEBRATORY EVENTS INCLUDING , UH, PRIVA PRIVATIZATION IN PART OR IN WHOLE IS AN AGGRESSION AGAINST EACH AND EVERY MEMBER OF OUR BELOVED SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY. PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU TO KEEP MAVERICK PLAZA PLAZA FREE, FREE OF ANYTHING MORE PERMANENT THAN HER STURDY STONES, WHICH ECHO THE CONTINUED JOY BY ALL MEMBERS OF OUR CITY. IT'S TIME TO COME TOGETHER IN A COMMUNITY, NOT NOT COMMERCIALIZATION. UM, THE NEXT IS REVEREND JAMES. UM, EDWARD SHEINBERG. UM, I DISAGREE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF PRIVATE BUSINESS TAKING OVER PART OF PRIVATE PLAZA. I KNOW RENOVATION, EXCUSE ME. WELL, I KNOW RENOVATION IS NEEDED. I DO NOT THINK SPACE USED BY NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD BE TURNED OVER TO PROFIT MAKING ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S THE AREA NEEDS A CLEANUP JOB, BUT LET'S NOT DISPLACE THE MANY WHO RELY ON IOA IN THIS SPACE FOR MA PLAZA FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT. UM, THE NEXT IS MARY ING. UM, PLEASE HAVE ALL OF HP STAFF AND H C R C MEMBERS WATCH THE DOC DR. CATHERINE O'ROURKE PRESENTATION. AND THERE'S A LINK, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE EMAIL LETTER IN THE FOLDER THAT YOU CAN FIND. UM, I WILL EMAIL THE LINK IN THE EVENT IT DOES NOT WORK HERE IN THIS FORMAT. IT IS A HISTORY OF HOW CITIES, UM, AROUND THE WORLD HAVE RUINED PUBLIC PLAZAS WITH VARIOUS POWER GRAPHS AND BAD IDEAS. WE CAN DO BETTER FOR OUR COMMONS, OF WHICH THIS ONE IS A SIGNIFICANT, JOYFUL ONE FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. STOP SERVING UP JOHNNY TO JOHNNY HERNANDEZ ON A PLATTER. WE CANNOT PARALYZE ALL OF OUR DOWNTOWN AND ESPECIALLY NOT OUR OPEN PLAZAS. WE ARE MAKING ENORMOUS MISSTEPS AND IT'S MOSTLY IN DISTRICT ONE DISTRICT. WE CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THEN TO FALL PREY TO THIS OVER COMMERCIALIZATION EVERY INCH EVENT. THE NEXT IS PATRICIA SEIDENBERG AGAINST A SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE SPACE ALLOWED FOR NA OSSA, THE NEAR FIESTA EVENT THAT HAS PROVIDED OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR. UM, THE NEXT IS KILL US ALMOND. UM, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT MAVERICK PLAZA IS IN NEED OF REBIRTH, MAJOR MAINTENANCE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, A NUISANCE OF ARRIVAL. UM, ALL OF THESE ARE ACCOMPLISHED IN ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN AND THE ARCHITECT IS TO BE GRADUATED. HOWEVER, I'M REMINDED OF A STORY ABOUT A GOOSE THAT LAID A NET, THE STORY THAT RECURS IN SAN ANTONIO PERIODICALLY. AND I'M CURIOUS IF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATIONS OR PLAZA HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DISCUSSED. WE NEED A GIANT FOUNTAIN THAT WILL BE DRY IF WE HAVE CUTBACKS STEERING A MAJOR DROUGHT FOUNTAINS FOCUS ATTENTION TO THE PLAZA TO, TO A VACANT PLAZA. BUT A 25 FOOT DIAMETER FOUNTAIN DO MORE THAN THAN THAT IF THE PLAZA IS FULLY OCCUPIED. WE REALLY NEED TO REDUCE THE USABLE SPACE AND MODIFY THE CIRCULATION AREAS SO THAT WE'LL NO LONGER FUNCTION FOR SPECIAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THE NATIONAL A I A CONFERENCE PARTY MORE SIGNIFICANTLY DRIVE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AWAY FROM MAVERICK PLAZA. AS A MEMBER OF THE SACS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE H C R C TO CONSIDER HISTORICALLY THE USES OF MAVERICK PLAZA, THE ASSOCIATED ACTIVITIES, WHICH THE CONVENTIONS WITH THE CONVENTIONS AND THE LONG HISTORY OF THE SACS USES SPACE. UM, DO NOT DESIGN IT FOR THE EMPTY CLOSET. IT'S A OLD, UM, THE NEXT IS ERIC TURNER WINKER. UM, AS THE BUSINESS [00:15:01] BUSINESS MANAGER OF ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRANSFORMATION THE CONGREGATION HAS A LONG HISTORY OF PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABOR COLLABORATION WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN I, AN OLD SAN ANTONIO AND FIESTA SAN ANTONIO. THE TREND OF PRI PRIVATIZING PUBLIC SPACE TROUBLES ME AS A REPRESENTATIVE, THE SORT CONGREGATION DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PLAZA AS A RESIDENT AND CITIZEN OF SAN ANTONIO LIVING IN SOUTHTOWN, ONE OF THE PUBLIC CHARACTER. ONCE THE PUBLIC CHARACTER OF LATA IS TRANSFORMED WILL BE LOST. RIP. THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF RESTAURANTS IN DOWNTOWN AND THERE IS NO URGENT TO TRANSFORM HISTORIC PUBLIC VENUE SHARED BY ALL INTO A SERIES OF DINING SPACES. IT CONCERNS ME THAT ONCE ONE OF THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS OF LOBBY WE WERE NOT CONSULTED AT ANY STAGE APART FROM, UM, HAVE HAD TO MAKE SUFFICIENT POLITICAL NOISE AS A FORCE AS TO FORCE SOMEBODY TO TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING. IT'S A CORE DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLE THAT PUBLIC SPACES SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL REGARDLESS OF ECONOMIC CLASS BECAUSE THEY BELONG TO THE PUBLIC. SURRENDERING THESE SPACES MAY MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE TO THE POLITICIANS LOOKING AT ECONOMIC PROJECTIONS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO EXPAND. BUT WHAT WILL BE LOST IS PROCESS AND BELONGINGS TO ALL OF US. THE CHARACTER OF LATA IS ONE OF THE MAIN INGREDIENTS TO THE CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN. THE SOUL OF OUR CITY IS DEFINED BY ITS UNIQUE A MISSION. AL HERITAGES. THIS HERITAGE IS ENSHRINED IN OUR PUBLIC SPACES. I LET SAN ANTONIO JUST BE ANOTHER IN CITY U S A DON'T TELL OUR CITY SOLD TO MARKET POLITICAL AND PROFESSIONAL CAREERS OF YOUR INDIVIDUALS. NEXT IS STELLA, UM, GENERAL RIO DE LA GARZA. AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE SPACE LAB FOR A SAN ANTONIO, THE PREMIER FIESTA EVENT THAT HAS PROVIDED OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR. THE RENDERING SHOWING THE CHANGES ARE SIGNIFICANT WHEN THAN WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. PROPOSED CHANGES WITH KIOSKS AND ADDITIONS REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF WALK WALKABLE SPACE, NOT JUST FOR OSA BUT FOR OTHER EVENTS AS WELL. THE NEW BUILDINGS ALSO DO NOT APPEAR TO FIT THE MOTIF IN THE MEXICAN VILLAGE. WHAT WILL THE KIOSK BE USED FOR? THEY WILL BE SELLING MERCHANDISE OR FOOD. ISN'T THAT SETTING UP OTHER BUSINESSES IN CHANGES ARE AS PROPOSED DEFINITELY ALTER THE LOOK OF THE PLAZA AND FURTHERMORE, REDUCES SOCIETY'S ABILITY STAYS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR FURTHERING THE PRESERVATION INDUSTRY CULTURE OF ANTONIO. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS MONEY IS ALSO USED TO SUPPORT EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR SAN ANTONIO STUDENTS AND TEACHERS. AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO, I HAVE SEEN MANY CHANGES IN MY ANY FURTHER GOOD WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND . HOWEVER, GIVEN THE CITY'S HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT DURING THE PERIOD OF COVID 19, I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED 4 MILLION IN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN PLAZA SHOULD BE BETTER SPENT ON ASSISTANT CITIZENS. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S UM, THE NEXT IS JOHN NER. PLEASE MAINTAIN AS MUCH OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE FOR . RESERVING SUCH SPACE, UH, MAY PROVE TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR FUTURE YET TO BE DETERMINED. EVENTS, THE STONE, THE STONE WALLS ALONG EASTERN WAVE ATTRACT MORE STONE WORK AND SERVE AS A BUFFER TO TRAFFIC. UM, THEY ALSO PROVIDE CROWD CONTROL DURING PUBLIC EVENTS IN GENERAL. ONE HAS A SENSE OF BEING A COURTYARD IN LATA ASSESS PORTIONS OF VARIOUS OPENINGS IN THE WALL. HARSH CONSTRAIN. I ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, TO AVOID THE UNNEEDED EXPENSE OF IN THE WALL, THE EXISTING FOUNTAIN IS ALSO VERY ATTRACTIVE, BARRING ANY MAJOR EXISTING DAMAGE AND TO REMAIN IN PLACE. CERTAINLY THERE APPEARS TO BE ROOM FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUNTAIN OF THE . SUSAN BEVIN NUMBER EIGHT, MAVERICK PLAZA IS A CITIZEN OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE H C R C ARE WELL AWARE. CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS A LOBBY TO PROPERTY OWNER, A SEA AND CONTRACT HOLDER WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN SINCE 19 THREE. HAVING HOSTED AT DANIEL OSA TO SOME 87,000 ATTENDEES FOR 71 YEARS IS EVIDENT THAT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES TO MENOPAUSAL WILL GREATLY IMPACT THE FOOTPRINT. SO THE SOCIETY'S FOUR DAY EVENT PROVIDES THE CITY WITH MORE THAN 500,000 DIRECT FUNDS EACH YEAR, FIVE TIMES THE PROJECTED INCOME FROM FROM THE FUTURE TENANTS. THE SOCIETY OF FUNDS INCLUDE, UH, $200,000 GIVEN TO THE LEVY TO FUND FOR PRESERVATION. UM, INCOME FROM IA IS ALSO DISSEMINATED BY THE SOCIETY THROUGH THIS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, THROUGH BUILDING AN EDUCATIONAL GRANTS AND IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THE CITY WISHES AN EVER CLOSET TO PROVIDE AND AN FINDING SPACE OVER ITS USES AS A COMFORT MUSEUM EVENT, UH, LOCATION APPEARS TO BE SHORTSIGHTED AS A MEMBER OF THE SOCIETY. I'M GRAVELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF MAVERICK PLAZA. I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE PLANTING OF SYCAMORE TREES WITH ULTIMATE FOREFOOT WIDTH, UH, CONSUME VALUES THAT THEY CONSUME VALUABLE SPACE ARE DEEMED MESSY, HIGHLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO DROUGHT AND HAVE PROGRESSIVE SURFACE ROOTS NOT COMPATIBLE TO SIDEWALKS, PATIOS, ET CETERA. NEXT IS MARGARET UH MEYER. I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVATIZATION OF 3 23 SOUTH ALAMO FABRIC PLAZA. THIS [00:20:01] PLAN WILL SIGN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE SPACE ALLOWED ANNUALLY FOR A NIGHT IN OLD SAN ANTONIO OR FIESTA EVENT. UH, THIS EVENT HAS PROVIDED OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR, NOT TO MENTION UPON RATES FOR PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, EARNED ABOUT THE PRIVATIZATION OF 3 23 SOUTH ALLEN. UH, THE NEXT IS MARGARET, UH, MEYER. I THINK THIS IS SAME. SORRY, THAT'S A DUPLICATE. UM, SO THE NEXT IS KYLE, UM, L MCVAY L TO THE NEW PLANS FOR VET PLAZA. THE NEXT IS TERRY NERT NIGHT IN OLD SAN ANTONIO U FIESTA EVENT PROVIDES OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR AS A LONGTIME PARTNER. WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS AND REPLIED TO THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION. OF NOTE, THE APPLICANT IMPLIES THAT THERE HAS BEEN A COLLABORATION WITH OR SIGNIFICANT INPUT FROM THE IOA ORGANIZATION ON THE PROJECT. THIS HOWEVER, MISREPRESENTS OUR INVOLVEMENT, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PROPOSED PLANS AND ADDRESSING OUR CONCERNS. AND THE OSA ORGANIZATION, UM, HAS GIVEN LIMITED UPDATES OR REVIEW OF THE PLANS DURING ALL PHASES OF THE PROJECT. DESPITE REPEATED REQUESTS, WE WERE NOT PROVIDED ANY DRAFTS OF THESE PLANS AND SIMPLY ASKED FOR COMMENTS UPON . THESE PLANS FALL SHORT OF OUR INITIAL REPRESENTATIONS THAT WERE MADE TO US REGARDING THE USE OF THE FOR OUR FUTURE EVENTS. THE PRIMARY CONCERN REMAINS THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION OF USABLE SPACE FOR OUR EVENT. PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WILL REDUCE THE PLAZA TO HALF THE SIZE. UM, THE ADDITION OF TREES TO INTERIOR SPACE AND IN ENLARGED DEMONSTRATION KITCHEN HAVE REDUCED THE SPACE EVEN FURTHER AND ACTUALLY DISCUSSED ALSO CONTRARY TO INITIAL REPRESENTATIONS, THE SPACE IS LESS FLEXIBLE AND ACCOMMODATING DUE PLACEMENT OF PERMANENT KIOSK INVENTIONS. IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT ADDITIONAL CITY SPACE WOULD BE USED FOR FUTURE EVENTS. AS MENTION OF THE PROPOSAL, THERE IS NO CURRENT OFFER OR AGREEMENT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR EVENT FOR CITY SPACE. WE OCCUR WITH THE COMMENTS OF THE LOBBY TO TENANTS ASSOCIATION OBJECTING TO THE REMOVAL OF ALL GATES AS THIS WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO SECURE DEPOSIT FOR EVENTS IN THE FUTURE. THEN, UH, ONE MORE WRITTEN COMMENT FROM RON BAMEL, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS LONG BEEN INVOLVED. MAVERICK PLAZA, OUR A NINE AND OLD 10, ANTONIO PROVIDES MORE THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR, INCLUDING A $377,000 TO PAVED LANDSCAPE TO REPAIR THE PLAZA OVER THE, OVER THE LAST DECADE. AS A PARTNER WITH LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IN ALL BEACH IMPROVEMENTS, WE OFFER THE FOLLOWING, THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WILL REDUCE THE PLAZA OF PUBLIC PLAZA BY ROUGHLY HALF DUE TO NEW BUILDINGS, MORE PLANTERS, OUTDOOR SEATING ADMINISTRATION KITCHEN. THE LAST DESIGN WE SAW HAD MORE USABLE PLAZA SPACE. WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO ACTIVATE LOBBY TO BOTH RESTAURANTS, BOTH MEANT THE PRIVATIZATION PUBLIC SPACE. WE COMMEND THE PAVING DESIGN FOR THE PLAZA BRIDGE, BRINGING FURTHER UP SOUTH ALMO STREET TO THE RIVERWALK ACCESS ADJACENT TO THE HILTON HOTEL. WE ENCOURAGE EXTENDING THE PAVING DOWN VI VITA STREET TO DRAW ATTENTION TO RETAIL SHOPS PROVIDE CONTINUITY TO THE CONTINUITY TO THE OVERALL DESIGN. THE ENTRY AT ALAMO AND VITA SHOULD INCLUDE A REPLICATION OF THE SIGNAGE PROPOSED FOR THE NEW WEB ENTRY BEING PLACED VERTICALLY ON THE PILOTS. THIS WILL DRAW PEOPLE TO THE RETAIL TENANTS OF LATA. INJURY SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED ADJACENT TO THE HILTON HOTEL, AS WAS ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE ALMO STREET COMPLETE STREET. WE SUPPORT THE STATEMENT OF LATA TENANTS ASSOCIATION CONSERVATION SOCIETY OPPOSES TWO OTHER ELEMENTS ADDED SINCE WE LAST SAW THE DESIGN. OR ARE THE SYCAMORE TREES PLANTED IN GRATES IN THE CENTER OF THE DEPOSIT ITSELF, REDUCING OR REDUCING THE USABLE SPACE. SECOND, ARE THE THREE OVERSIZED PLANTERS WITH INTEGRAL SEEDING ALONG PALM STREET, WHICH CREATED A NECESSARY BARRIER TO BRINGING INSURE INTO THE VILLAGE. NEXT I'M GONNA ASK THE TO PLAY OUR RECORDED PERSONAL COMMENTS. UH, ONE MOMENT. MY NAME IS DIANE HALL AND I LIVE AT 1 3 4 4 2 CORRUM PEAK, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 8. THIS IS REGARDING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT V 3 23, UM, SOUTH ALAMOS STREET, UH, MAVERICK PLAZA. AND I AM CALLING TO REQUEST THAT THE PLAZA NOT BE CHANGED. UM, I AM A EDUCATOR IN SAN ANTONIO FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. I'VE BEEN THE BENEFICIARY OF FIELD TRIP MONEY FROM THE PROCEED OF OSA [00:25:01] EVENTS AND I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE AREA, UM, WHERE OSA IS CURRENTLY HELD BE REDUCED. I THINK DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO HAS ADEQUATE RESTAURANTS AND FOUNTAINS, ET CETERA. I THINK THAT THE, UM, MAVERICK PLAZA IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA. THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE AND I DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT CHANGED. I THINK THE REVENUE FROM NSA SUPPORTS FIELD TRIPS. PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN A RECIPIENT OF THE FIELD TRIP TO THE, UM, HOMES THAT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAS RESTORED THE SEEDS HOMES AND THE MONEY FROM OSA UH, FUNDED THE BUSES THAT TOOK OUR FOURTH GRADERS WHO STUDIED TEXAS HISTORY TO THOSE HOMES, UM, TO STUDY HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO, UM, IT IS MY DESIRE NOT TO CHANGE MAVERICK PLAZA. UM, I'M A NATIVE OF SAN ANTONIO AND I DO NOT WANT TO SEE MORE RESTAURANTS, MORE NEON LIGHT. PLEASE. LET'S LEAVE MAVERICK PLAZA A LIKE IT IS AND FIESTA CAN, NSA CAN CONTINUE AS IT ALWAYS HAS. UM, AND ALL THOSE MONIES CAN BE USED IN OUR COMMUNITIES TO HELP OUR STUDENTS. I MEAN, IT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE STUDENTS AND THE CHILDREN. UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE-BYE. HELLO. AS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, I'M SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN SPACE ALLOWED FOR NIGHT IN OLD SAN ANTONIO PREMIER FIESTA EVENT THAT HAS PROVIDED OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR. A PARTICULAR CONCERN IS THE PRIVATE PRIVATIZATION OF PUBLIC LANDS THAT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN ACCESSIBLE TO ALL CITIZENS WHERE I APPRECIATE. WHEREAS I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE CONSTRUCTION FOR LARGE THEMES RESTAURANTS WILL GIVE SAN ANTONIO BOOST OF THE CULINARY DESTINATION. I HAVE GRAVED CONCERNS AS TO WHETHER THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BENEFIT TO SAN ANTONIO. CITIZENRY SUBSEQUENTLY AT LARGE ARE MERELY A SELECT FEW PRIVATE CITIZENS AND WESTERN TOURS AND OF COURSE, VISITING TOURISTS. OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE SITTING AN OFFICE TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. I ASK THAT EACH AND ONE OF THEM PUT BEEN AWARD OF THE PRIVILEGE OF CASTING A VOTE ON THIS ISSUE. EXAMINE THEIR CONSCIENCE AND DETERMINE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN THIS INSTANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND CONSIDERATION IN THIS. A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER. BEST REGARDS, GRETCHEN ROSE CAPITAL CLUB CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, TWO 50 MISSION STREET, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 1 0. HELLO, MY NAME IS ETTE SHREEN. MY HOME NUMBER IS 1 0 5 0 2 POST HOUSE CIRCLE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 6. I AM CALLING TO ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER 8 3 2 3 SOUTH ALAMO STREET, MARGARET PLAZA, LAIKA. AS A MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN MAVERICK PLAZA. AT LAIKA, THE REMOVAL OF THE WALL WILL TAKE AWAY THE COZY VILLAGE ATMOSPHERE THAT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD COME TO ENJOY. THE CITY MUST RECOGNIZE THAT THE SOCIETY'S FIESTA EVENT A NIGHT NO SAN ANTONIO OR OSA OR OSA PROVIDES OVER A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY EACH YEAR IN RELATION TO THE FEES AND SERVICES CONTRIBUTED BY THIS EVENT. IT MUST ALSO BE RECOGNIZED THAT THE SOCIETY HAS A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT TO PAY THE CITY A HEALTHY PERCENTAGE OF THE GATE TICKET PROCEEDS. THAT IS OVER 85,000 TICKETS TIMES $15. DUE THE MATH, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE SOCIETY HAS LONG BEEN A GOOD FRIEND AND SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORTER OF THE RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION OF THE VILLAGE. BRINGING IN RESTAURANTS, KIOSK, AND PERMANENT STRUCTURES WILL SEVERELY DAMAGE THE INCOME THAT OSA PROVIDES TO THE CITY. FOR THE PRESERVATION OF ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT LANDMARKS AND JURIS ATTRACTION, PLEASE CITY LEADERS PLEASE FIND A WAY TO PRODUCE REVENUE. OSA GUARANTEES GUARANTEE REVENUE WHILE PRIVATE BUSINESSES COME AND GO. REMEMBER, RESTAURANTS ARE A HIGH FAILURE RISK. NSA HAS BEEN IN LA VICA FOR OVER 60 YEARS. IT'S GUARANTEED INCOME, RAIN OR SHINE. I DO NOT WANT LATA TO BECOME A DISNEY WORLD. I STRONGLY SUPPORT KEEPING THIS JEWEL IN OUR DOWNTOWN A QUIET, PEACEFUL PLACE FOR VISITORS TO REST AND REFLECT ON OUR HISTORY EXCEPT DURING FIESTA WHEN THE WHOLE TOWN [00:30:01] CELEBRATES OUR HISTORY WITH US. THANK YOU. OH, MY NAME IS PETER MONY. I'M A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THIS IS REGARDING 3 2 3 SOUTH ELMO STREET SLASH MAVERICK PLAZA. UH, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN TO IT, I JUST KEEP IT, SAVE IT. AND UH, UM, MY ADDRESS IS 1 7 6 5 5 HENDERSON PASS, APARTMENT 1534 SAN ANTONIO. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE. WE CUT THAT SHORT SO IT'S . UM, I THINK YOU WANT ONE MORE. ELAINE VETER 3 9 1 1 4 CREEK STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 3 OH. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS THE SOUTH ALAMO STREET MAVERICK PLAZA. UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THESE ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS SHOULD BE PUT IN, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH C OVID 19. THERE IS NO REASON TO INCREASE THE RES UH, RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA. UH, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE AND, UH, BEEN INVOLVED IN MAVERICK PLAZA AND UH, I DO THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD NOT CHANGE THAT SPACE. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LIVE CALLS. UM, THE FIRST IS GONNA BE RON STINSON LEE, ARE YOU THERE WITH RON LEE? ARE YOU THERE? GO AHEAD, RON. OKAY. MY NAME IS RON STINSON. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONGREGATION, ST. JOHN. IT'S IN CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT IN MAVERICK PLAZA. WE AT THE CHURCH HIGHLY OPPOSE THIS BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS IN AND OUT OF OUR FACILITY THERE TO OUR CHURCH, THE DISRUPTION THAT WILL BE CAUSED BY THE RECONFIGURATION, A NUEVA STREET, THE MOVING OUT OF THE WALLS AND SO FORTH THERE IN UH, PLAZA. WE, UH, WE RELY ON OUR PARKING LOT TO HELP FINANCE OUR ACTIVITIES AT THE CHURCH. AND WE'RE 163 YEARS OLD THERE. WE'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS. NO ONE SEEMS TO CONTACT US TO SEE WHAT EFFECT IT'LL HAVE ON US, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAVE CONTINUED THROUGH THE YEARS, PUTTING UP WITH LOUD NOISE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THE ONLY NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN IN CONSIDERATION OF US IS WHEN THE NIGHT IN OLD SAN ANTONIO IS HOSTED. THEY ABIDE BY THE RULES AND SO FORTH. OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE HELD FUNCTIONS IN MAVERICK PLAZA, IT HAS JUST BEEN A NIGHTMARE FOR US EVEN TO TRY TO CONDUCT CHURCH SERVICES. SOME OF THAT STUFF WENT ON DURING THE DAYTIME. WE ARE WORRIED WHAT COULD HAPPEN NOW WITH PUTTING THESE RESTAURANTS AND SO FORTH. ALL THIS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE, THE PARKING, WHICH AGAIN WILL AFFECT THE ACCESS 5 0 2 NUEVA. WE OPPOSE THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE DEBORAH SIBLEY. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. OKAY, GO AHEAD. TWO MINUTES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AS H D R C CONSIDERS VARIOUS REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AT, UH, MAVERICK PLAZA, THE LOBBY TO TENANTS ASSOCIATION ASKS THAT YOU GIVE THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION TO TWO DESIGN ITEMS THAT WE FEEL ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER AND THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THIS HISTORIC VILLAGE. FIRST IS THE FOUNTAIN. YOU'LL FIND THAT AS ITEM NUMBER THREE ON PAGE 37 OF THE FISHER HECK PRESENTATION. WE FEEL STRONGLY, UH, THAT A DESIGN ITEM IN THE PROPOSED NEW FOUNTAIN DOES NOT EXEMPLIFY THE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER OR HISTORY OF LATA. PLANS CALL FOR THE FOUNTAIN TO BE ILLUMINATED BY A SUBMERSIBLE COLOR CHANGING L E D RING LIGHT FIXTURE, WHICH DOES NOT KEEP WITH COLONIAL AESTHETICS OR ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE VILLAGE. THIS SHOWY DISPLAY OF COLORFUL LIGHTS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FROM MODERN SETTING RATHER THAN A HISTORIC VILLAGE OF PERIOD STRUCTURES. VISITORS COME TO EXPLORE THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF SAN ANTONIO'S OLDEST SETTLEMENT AND THE HALLMARK STYLE THAT'S HISTORIC PERIOD. AND THESE LIGHTING [00:35:01] FEATURES ARE MORE OF A LAS VEGAS TYPE DANCING FOUNTAIN OF COLORS. SO WE REALLY ASK THAT THE ILLUMINATION BE OF WHITE OR SINGLE COLOR LIGHTS WITHOUT CHANGING COLORS. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT, UH, IS OF CONCERN TO US IS THE NEW ENTRY FEATURES. THAT'S ITEM 10 ON PAGES 51 THROUGH 55 OF FISHER HEX PRESENTATION. AND IT IS THE NEW ENTRANCE TO MAVERICK PLAZA AT THE CORNER OF SOUTH ALAMO AND NEVA. AND WHILE YES, IT IS ATTRACTIVE, IT SERVES MORE AS AN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPOSED MEXICAN RESTAURANT THAN IT DOES AS AN ENTRANCE TO LA LATA. PLANS CALL FOR AN ENTRY WITH SIGNAGE AT ALMA STREET IN NUEVA CORNER AND NO ENTRY SIGNAGE AT VITA STREET, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY ENTRY POINT FOR THE MAJORITY OF VISITORS TO THE VILLAGE. AND THAT'S INDICATED IN THE FOOT TRAFFIC PATTERN DATA THAT WE'VE COLLECTED AT THE CHANCES ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS STATISTICS WE'VE GATHERED FROM MAJOR ON ONSITE EVENTS INTER INTER. IF YOU COULD JUST WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE. OKAY, I SURE WILL. VISITORS ENTER LATA FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER AND MARKET STREET, AND SO WE ASK THAT THIS SIGNAGE BE DUPLICATED AT THE V TO STREET ENTRANCE. THANK YOU AND WE HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER OUR REQUEST. THANK YOU. UM, THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEM TWO. I'M GONNA CONTINUE WITH ITEMS, UM, [CONSENT AGENDA] CONSENT AGENDA NOW. UM, THE NEXT IS ITEM FOUR 100 NORTH SANTA ROSA. THIS COMES FROM CAROL WOOD. MS. DONNA IS AN ART DECO DESIGN APARTMENT BUILDING LOCATED AT 100 NORTH SANTA ROSA BUILDS THE ENTIRE BLOCK BETWEEN HOUSTON AND COMMERCE WITH ITS ENTRANCE. CENTRAL SYSTEM, UNIQUE FACADE HAS A REPEATING ACHIEVE IN ORIGIN AND GRAY BRICK WITH BEAUTIFUL SUBTLE EXTERIOR LIGHTING UP. SINCE LAST MEETING, THE PROPOSAL HAS CHANGED WITH THE BILLBOARD SIZE SIGN, MOVED TO THE CORNER OF COMMERCE, THE CORNER OF HOUSTON. WITHOUT EXPLANATION. PROPOSAL FOR A 14 FOOT WIDE L E D SIGN IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC AREA. THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE IS WHAT IS USUALLY SEEN IN SUBURBAN AREAS WHERE CARS ARE WHIZZING BY WHERE L E D SIGNAGE IS REQUIRED TO ATTRACT A DRIVER'S ATTENTION. BILLBOARD DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE E D C GUIDELINES OF N X G CHAPTER 10. SECTION B RESIDENTIAL PROJECT SIGNS, UM, WHICH STATES SIX RESIDENTIAL SIGNAGE SHOULD REINFORCE THE IDENTITY OF THE COMPLEX PROPOSED SIGN DOES NOT, DOES NOTHING TO REINFORCE THE IDENTITY OF THE BUILDINGS. WITH THE MEANINGLESS SLOGAN IN SPIRE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES ALSO STATE SEVEN, ALL SIGNS SHOULD BE INTEGRATED WITH THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT'S ARCHITECTURE INCAP. THUS THE SIGN FAILS TO DO SINCE IT IS PLACED ABOVE THE ORIGINAL INTEGRATED SIGNAGE A DECADE AGO. CHAPTER 10, SECTION C OF THE GUIDELINES STATE ONE, ALL FASCIA SIGNAGE SHOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ARCHITECTURE. AND TWO, SIGNAGE SHOULD BE CONCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE PROJECT DESIGN SO AS NOT TO APPEAR AS AN AFTER. ALSO. THREE, THE DESIGN THAT THE LOCATION SIZE OF APPEARANCE OF SIGNS SHOULD BE, SHOULD COMPLIMENT THE BUILDING AND CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS IN WHICH THEY'RE LOCATED. THIS L E D SIGN DOES NOT ACCORD WITH ANY OF THE SPECIFICATIONS IN SECTION C. UM, ITEM 5 8 31 BEON. UM, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY, UM, ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE LEY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. DREW, THE HISTORIC HOUSE HAS UNDERGONE SUBSTAN, HAS UNDERGONE SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATION AS A STANDALONE HISTORIC HOUSE. IT'S LOVELY. THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE AS A CITY PAY FOR TAX CREDITS FOR A PROJECT THAT'S NOT CONFORMED TO THE GUIDELINES OF SEVERAL AREAS AS GUIDED BY A CITY OFFICE? EXAMPLES INCLUDE EXISTING, ORIGINAL WOOD DETAILS WERE REMOVED, NOT REPLACED. DESIGN A FRONT PORCH ROOF AND ITS CONNECTION TO THE BAY IS NOT CORRECT. THE REMODEL INCLUDING A REBUILDING, UM, REBUILDING AND NONCONFORMING FOR AN ADDITION. UM, THE FULL WRAPAROUND PORCH NOW, UM, BELAYS THE HISTORIC TORIAN AND PRESENTS THE HOUSE AS A MUCH MORE GREENHOUSE THAN IT EVER WAS. THE EXISTING ROOF PLAN AND THE SANDBORN MAP SHOWS THE EXTENT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND ORIGINAL WRAPAROUND PORCH ABLE DORM WAS REBUILT WITH DIFFERENT SHINGLE MATERIAL DETAILING. THE FRONT PORCH BOARDS ARE OPEN TWO TIMES, DECKING, RUNNING PARALLEL AGAIN, OH TWO BY DECKING RUNNING PARALLEL. I APOLOGIZE AGAIN, GOOD REMODEL AND REHABILITATION, BUT NOT IN ACCORDANCE TO THE GUIDELINES. UM, THEN ALSO BY ARVIS HOL HOLLAND, THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY DIANA LOPEZ DANIEL FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. ON REVIEW OF THE H PARKS, SUPPORTS THE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. CAN I PULL, UH, FIVE 11 CLUB FOR, UH, JUST A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE'LL MARK THAT ON THE SCREEN. ANY OTHER ITEMS? [00:40:02] IF NOT, WE CAN HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT 11. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AND ITEMS 10 AND 11 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I SECOND MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ IS, YES, SIR. THE, THE C THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS THAT WE JUST HEARD WITH RESPECT TO LATA, ARE THEY PART OF THAT? I MEAN, IS IT, IS IS THAT IN THE CONSENT AGENDA? WOULD WOULD BE ITEM TWO? THAT'S ITEM TWO, YES. UM, IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS APPROPRIATE WITH, WITH SUCH A SUCH COMMUNITY IN, UH, INPUT AND CONCERN THAT THAT'D BE HEARD SEPARATELY AND THAT WE SEE THE PRESENTATION. I'D LIKE TO PULL IT IN OTHER WORDS FOR OFF THE CONSENT. UM, COMMISSIONER FISK, DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR QUESTION? YES. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. IF THAT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I'LL ACCEPT AND I THINK, UH, JAY WOULD NEED TO ALSO ACCEPT YES, I GIVES, I ACCEPT AS WELL. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS NOW FOR APPROVAL. ITEMS ONE, THREE THROUGH EIGHT AND THEN 10 AND 11. THIS IS CHAIRMAN BETS. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? AYE, GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. AYE. THATOR AYE. NOTHING. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM [20-4868 Address/Description: 323 S ALAMO ST/Maverick Plaza HDRC Case No.: 2020-318 Public Property: Maverick Plaza Historic District Name: La Villita RIO District: RIO-3 Applicant: Mark Navaro/Fisher Heck Architects Request: Rehabilitation of Maverick Plaza, site work, rehabilitation of Faville House, construction of kiosks and a demonstration/teaching structure City Council Dist.: 1] TWO. UM, I'M GONNA ASK EDWARD TO READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD. HAVE CITY STAFF MARIA ROBERTS ON THE LINE AS WELL. THIS TIME WE UNMUTE EDWARD, PLEASE. WE'LL HAVE TO START AGAIN. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 18 3 23 SOUTH ALAMO, COMMONLY KNOWN AS MAVERICK PLAZA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PERFORM VARIOUS REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK AND CONSTRUCTION AT 3 23 SOUTH ALAMO, COMMONLY KNOWN AS MAVERICK PLAZA. WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING ITEM, ONE, TO REMOVE THE EXISTING LIMESTONE WALLS THAT HAVE ENCLOSED MAVERICK PLAZA ALONG THE WAVE END SOUTH ALAMO. REMOVE THE FENCES THAT SEPARATE MAVERICK PLAZA FROM OTHER PORTIONS OF LATA. REMOVE THE EXISTING CEDAR ARBOR, REMOVE THE EXISTING FOUNTAIN. REMOVE AND SALVAGE THE EXISTING PAVING ON KING PHILLIP FIFTH STREET. REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE AND CLAY TILE PAVING IN THE PLAZA AND THE OLD ALAMO STREET WALKWAY. REMOVE PORTIONS OF LOW TREE PLANTER WALLS ALONG ALAMO STREET. REMOVE CONTEMPORARY C M U ADDITIONS TO THE FAYETTEVILLE HOUSE AND REMOVE AND RELOCATE ELECTRICAL PANELS THROUGHOUT THE PLAZA. ITEM TWO, INSTALL A VARIETY OF NEW PAVING MATERIALS, FORMING VARIOUS INTERLOCKING PATTERNS INCLUDING DIAGONAL STRIPS AND THREE QUADRUPLE PATTERNS. ITEM THREE, INSTALL A NEW FOUNTAIN WITHIN THE PLAZA. ITEM FOUR, INSTALL ADDITIONAL TREES INCLUDING SYCAMORE TREES WITHIN THE PLAZA AND TREES ALONG THE OLD ALAMO STREET WALKWAY. THE EXISTING 22 LIVE OAK TREES WILL BE PRESERVED. ITEM FIVE, INSTALL LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE PLAZA. CAN INCLUDE GENERAL LIGHTING, VESTING, LIGHTING, TREE LIGHTING AND ENTRANCE LIGHTING. ITEM SIX, PERFORM REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK TO THE HISTORIC FABLE HOUSE, INCLUDING FOUNDATION REPAIR AND REPAIR TO THE PORCH, ROOF FRAMING AND DECKING, AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. ITEM SEVEN, CONSTRUCTED DEMONSTRATION KITCHEN AND THE CLOSET FOR PUBLIC DEMONSTRATION AND TEACHING. THE TRUCTURE WILL INCLUDE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. ITEM EIGHT, CONSTRUCT A KIOSK TO SERVICE PERMANENT FOOD. BOOTH. ITEM NINE, CONSTRUCT TWO SMALLER KIOSKS THAT ARE MOBILE TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE PROPOSED MOUNTAIN. ITEM 10, CONSTRUCT A CONSTRUCTING NEW ENTRY FEATURE ALONG SOUTH ALAMO AND SOUTH WAVY STREET CORNER IN THE STREET ENTRY WITHOUT SIGNAGE. THESE ELEMENTS WILL ALSO INCLUDE DECORATIVE PANELS ON A SOUTH ALAMO WALL. ITEM 11, RELOCATE MAYOR. MAYOR MA MAVERICK'S STATUE WITHIN THE PLAZA. AND ITEM 12, CONSTRUCT SCREEN WALLS ALONG AT NEW EVA STREET TO HIDE. NEW TRANSFORMER CONSTRUCT A SCREEN WALL NEAR THE FABLE HOUSE TO HIDE THE BACK OF HOUSE EQUIPMENT FOR THE PLAZA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED REFRAME, REFRAMING AND REDACTING OF THE PORCH ROOF OF THE TABLE HOUSE BE PERFORMED IN KIND, [00:45:01] DO NOT RESULT IN A CHANGE IN ROOF PROFILE. THESE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IS FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH. THINGS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT IN A CRI C CRI RIDGE SEAM. IN A STANDARD GING FINISH, A RIDGE CAP IS NOT TO BE USED. ITEM TWO, THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND KIOSK FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH WITH FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH. THINGS THAT ARE ONE TO INTEREST AND HEIGHT. THE C CREEKRIDGE THEME AND THE STANDARD G FINISH. AND ITEM THREE, ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS ARE REQUIRED. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE AHEAD. THE APPLICANT, MARK NAVARRO FROM FISHER, HE ARCHITECTS ON THE LINE AS WELL AS MARK PADILLA AND LOUIS FISHER. YEAH, AND WE'LL, UM, RAYA, WE'LL MAKE YOU THE PRISONER NOW IF YOU WANT TO RECORD YOUR SIGNS FOR THE SCREEN. OKAY. BEAR WITH US. HERE WE GO. OKAY. UM, YEAH, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY AND FOR HAVING US. I'M RAYA ROBERTS WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND SINCE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF BIT OF BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. UM, THIS PROJECT WAS INITIATED IN 2016 WHEN THE CITY ISSUED AN R F I FOR CULINARY CONCEPT AND OPERATOR. UM, THIS WAS BASED ON A RECOMMENDATION IN A RETAIL MANAGEMENT STUDY. THE CITY HAD CONDUCTED, UH, CHEF JOHNNY HERNANDEZ'S, GRUPO LA GLORIA WAS SELECTED AND RECOMMENDED, AND THEN THE CITY AND GRUPO LA GLORIA JOINTLY PROCEEDED WITH DUE DILIGENCE AND HIRED FISHERS HECK ARCHITECTS TO COMPLETE A FEASIBILITY STUDY. AT THE END OF 2017, WE WENT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE AND TO THE INNER CITY TOURS TO APPROVE THE FUNDING. AND THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED AT THE END OF 2017 WITH THE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM CITY COUNCIL. UM, OUR DUE DILIGENCE ALSO INCLUDED AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY BY T X P, WHICH RECOMMENDED THE DEAL STRUCTURE. A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS VOICED SUPPORT AT CITY COUNCIL AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY NOTED THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS, BUT STATED THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE IF INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. AND THE CITY HAS MADE MULTIPLE COMMITMENTS THAT NSA WILL CONTINUE AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE. AND WE'VE KEPT THEM INFORMED ALONG THE WAY. IN 2018, WE SELECTED THE PROJECT ARCHITECTS AND BEGAN OUR DESIGN AND STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH. IN 2019, WE DID OUR ARCHEOLOGY RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATIONS CONTINUED DESIGN, AND WE DID MOST OF OUR STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH LAST YEAR, UH, INCLUDING A PUBLIC MEETING IN MAY. UM, THIS YEAR WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH C P SS AND FINISHING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WE'RE PREPARED TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION LEADER THIS YEAR. UM, WE MET WITH SEVERAL STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING NEIGHBORS, EVENT PRODUCERS, UM, VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS AND, UM, CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE TENANT ASSOCIATION. AND AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING LAST MAY. UM, WE CONDUCTED A SURVEY OF ALL OF THE TENANTS. WE'VE PROVIDED REGULAR UPDATES, AND SPECIFICALLY WE WORKED WITH NEWSO ORGANIZERS TO KEEP THE FATTY, THE PATIO FOOTPRINTS SMALL, UM, FOR THE RESTAURANTS, MAKE THE SPACES FLEXIBLE FOR MEDIUM AND LARGE EVENTS, KEEP THE KIOSKS FLEXIBLE. UM, WE ADDED POWER TO ALL OF THE PLANTERS, UM, CREATED ADDITIONAL FLEXIBLE SPACE ALONG SOUTH ALAMO STREET. WE CONDUCTED ALL OF OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY AROUND THE EVENT. UM, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS THE AVAILABILITY OF USING SOUTH ALAMO STREET AS WELL AS SOUTH ALAMO, UM, PARKING LOT FOR FUTURE EVENTS. AND AS YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'LL BE AREAS IN, UM, H PARK THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE LARGE EVENTS AS WELL. UM, MAVERICK PLAZA WILL ALWAYS REMAIN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THAT WAS NEVER A QUESTION. UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT IT'LL BE PROGRAMMED ON A DAILY AND WEEKLY BASIS, UM, WITH DIFFERENT DIFFERENT FORMS OF ACTIVITY TO BE COORDINATED WITH, UM, CHEF JOHNNY HERNANDEZ AND OLA GLORIA, AS WELL AS OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. AND, UM, . UM, OUR INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC WAS, WAS TO PRIORITIZE PROVIDING SHADE, INCORPORATING WATER, [00:50:01] IMPROVED THE LIGHTING, ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPING, AND CREATE AN ENTRY AWAY FROM MAVERICK PLAZA, WHICH WE THINK WE'VE DONE IN THE DESIGN. ONE THING THAT ALSO CAME UP REPEATEDLY FROM STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL AS OSA ORGANIZERS, WAS THE NEED TO INCLUDE PUBLIC RESTROOMS, WHICH WAS NOT IN OUR ORIGINAL SCOPE. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK IN AND ADD THAT TO THIS PROJECT. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER NOW TO MARK NAVARRO WITH FISHER HECK ARCHITECTS AND MARK VIDEO WITH STUDIO. THANK YOU. RAY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME, EDWARD? YES. EXCELLENT. ALRIGHT, WELL, AS A QUICK HISTORY, VERY ABBREVIATED WELL IN THE, UH, SLATE. JUST HOUSEKEEPING. UM, COREY, DID YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE WITH THE SLIDES OR WILL YOU ALL CONTROL THOSE NOW? UM, WE WILL SHOW THE EXHIBITS FILE THAT WAS POSTED FOR THE CASE AT THIS POINT. YEAH. AND MARK, THAT'S THE SAME FILE THAT WAS POSTED ONLINE. IF YOU WANT TO DIRECT US TO INDIVIDUAL PAGES, WE CAN DO THAT. DEFINITELY. YEAH. I'M ON THE PRESENTATION PAGE, WHICH IS RIGHT AFTER THE, UH, LAST SLIDE THAT, THAT RAY WAS PRESENTING. UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, MATTER PLAZA AREA CIRCA 1950, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF LAG, SO JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT'S UP AND THEN, UH, I CAN START PRESENTING. LAUREN, THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE SEPARATE FILE, THE PRESENTATION FILE, THE SECOND P D F. WE'RE READY, MARK. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE PAGE EIGHT. I BELIEVE WE ARE READY. YOU'RE READY? WE'RE READY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LAG, SO I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND SAY NEXT SLIDE. UH, SO ANYONE, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC, IF, IF YOU HAVE THIS PRESENTATION UP, Y'ALL CAN, UH, FLIP SLIDES ALONG WITH ME. UM, SO IN THE LATE 19TH CENTURY AND EARLY 20TH CENTURY LOBBY ISA AND THE AREA WE KNOW IS MAVERICK PLAZA WAS A COMMERCIALIZED AREA WITH TWO AND THREE STORY HEIGHT BUILDINGS SUCH AS HOTELS AND COMMERCIAL STOREFRONTS INTERMINGLED WITH THE MORE RESIDENTIAL SCALED, UH, UH, HISTORIC BUILDING. THE AREA WAS THEN CLEARED FOR HEMISPHERE PARKING LOT OUTTA THE 68 FAIR. AND THEN IN THE, IN THE SEVENTIES, IT WAS CONVERTED INTO THE CLOSET THAT WE KNOW TODAY. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CONDITION, AND THERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE MODERN NON HISTORIC WALL THAT ENCAPSULATES THE PLAZA. ALSO, THE TWO MODERN BUILDINGS, THE CONCESSION BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE RESTON BUILDING, WHICH HAS, UH, SINCE BEEN DEMOLISHED. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE ABLE TO SEE OUR INITIAL CONCEPT. UM, WE WANTED TO TAKE DOWN THE WALL THAT ENCAPSULATED THE PLAZA. WE WOULD EXTEND THE PLAZA MORE TOWARDS THE STREET, UH, AS WELL AS CREATE TWO BETTER DEFINED ENTRIES INTO . AND IN THAT ORANGE OR YELLOW TYPE OF HASH THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, INCREASING THE FUNCTIONALITY AND USE OF THE AREA CLOSE TO ALAMO STREET AS RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T TOO MUCH, UH, USE FOR THAT. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE DID WANNA BRING FORTH THAT YES, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOSING SOME SPACE IN THE PLAZA, DEFINITELY, UM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE THERE. UM, WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS, IS ABOUT 40,000 TOTAL SQUARE FEET WE'RE WORKING WITH WITHIN OUR SCOPE. UH, ABOUT 27,000 IS MAVIS PLAZA, THE PLAZA THAT WE KNOW. UH, AND THEN THE AREA IN ORANGE OR YELLOW THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE, UH, ABOUT 12,700 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, WHAT WE CALL OLD ALAMOS STREET, UH, FRONTAGE. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED. UM, SO OVERALL WE HAVE 31,550 SQUARE FEET OF PUBLIC USABLE SPACE. UH, THAT'S A 21 AND A HALF PERCENT DECREASE FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND MAVERICK PLAZA, WE HAVE 17,750 SQUARE FEET OF USABLE PUBLIC SPACE, WHICH IS A 35% DECREASE FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE PLAZA. AND ACTUALLY WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE ALAMO, UH, ALAMO STREET SIDE, ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT MORE SQUARE, UH, UH, SQUARE FEET. UM, MOSTLY DUE TO THE, UH, PLANTERS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, CUTTING, CUTTING DOWN SO THAT WE HAVE MORE ACCESS FOR PUBLIC. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO THEN HAND IT OVER TO ILLA SO HE CAN TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE ACTUAL, UH, DESIGN A LITTLE BIT MORE. THANK YOU, MARK. [00:55:02] THANK YOU. UM, SO I'M, UH, WOULD BE LOOKING ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WILL. UM, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LAG TIME ON MY COMPUTER AS WELL, BUT IT'S THE OVERALL COLOR RENDERING THAT SHOWS THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, UM, AND AGAIN, AND KIND OF THE RESTAURANTS, UM, LOOKING IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE HERITAGE AND CULTURE, UH, LATA, UM, WITH A MIX OF THE, THE SPANISH, MEXICAN, GERMAN RESTAURANTS, UM, AND THEN THE DIFFERENT, THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND THE KIOSK. UM, AGAIN, OUR, THE GOAL AND THE TASK WAS TO, UH, TO ACTIVATE MAVERICK PLAZA AND ENERGIZE IT, UM, ON, ON A DAILY BASIS. AND NOT, NOT JUST FOR, FOR LARGE EVENTS, BUT UH, FOR EVERYDAY USERS. UM, PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWNTOWN, WORK DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE ABLE TO, UH, GO TO THE MAVERICK PLAZA, UH, ON ANY GIVEN DAY AND BE OUT THERE, UH, UM, ACCESSING THE, UH, PLAZA IN THE USABLE SPACE. UM, SO WHEN WE EVALUATED THIS AS THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, THE PLAZA ITSELF, UH, WE STARTED TO EVALUATE THE, THE HARDSCAPE AND THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE THERE FOUND IN THE LIGHTING, UM, THE SIDEWALKS, AND STARTED TO, TO DETERMINE THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT, UH, A MORE USABLE, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY SPACE. UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF UPGRADES, ENHANCEMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE. AND OF COURSE, WE TRIED TO DO THIS WITH THE, UH, WITH THE IDEA AND HERITAGE OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE, UH, THE FIELD OF LATA. UM, AND SO USING THE, THE LIGHTS, UH, USING THE HARDSCAPE AND DIFFERENT PAVEMENTS OF, UH, SOME OF THE WARM COLORS AS WELL. UM, AND YOU CAN GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE. UH, THESE ARE BLACK AND WHITE IMAGES OF THE NEXT THREE SLIDES. THEY'RE SHOWING THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT WE PUT INTO, UH, THE STUDY AND THE APPLICATION OF, UH, OF UTILIZING THE DETAILS AND GETTING INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW THIS WOULD, UH, BE THOUGHT OUT, UM, FOR EVERY BRICK PATTERN, UH, OR CONCRETE, UH, PAVEMENT AND, AND JOINTS THAT WE'RE HAPPENING. UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE, UH, TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THAT WOULD BE AT THE LS, UH, 1.0 . UM, SO I MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LAG TIME, BUT, UM, THE, UH, THE DEMOLITION PLAN THERE, THE LV PREVIOUSLY SHOWING THE, UH, THE DEMOLITION OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, DEMOING COLD PAVEMENT, UH, OLD, UH, TILE, UH, THAT WAS CRACKING AND JUST REPAIR. UM, AND THEN HOW WE'RE CUTTING OUT, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, EXISTING PLANTERS TO ALLOW FOR MORE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS IN FROM SOUTH AMO STREET INTO BELAW ITSELF. UM, AND THEN, UH, WE'VE GOT A GIVE THE SHOW THE DIFFERENT, UH, CHARACTERS OF THE, UH, THE HUES AND, AND MATERIALS FOR THE CONCRETE USING THE INTEGRAL COLORED CONCRETE, UH, PAPERS. UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE RECLAIMED PAPERS, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING AS WELL TOO, UH, TO TRY TO BLEND IN, UH, THE NEW PORTIONS OF THE LOG, UH, FABRIC PLAZA TO THE, UH, TO THE . UM, NEXT SLIDE. WE'LL SHOW THE, UM, EXISTING TREES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT KEEPING, UM, ALL THE HERITAGE TREES AND PLANTERS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UH, STOVES AND DETERMINING THAT, UH, WHERE PEDESTRIANS CAN GO IN BETWEEN AND ALLOWING IT. MY THING ABOUT THE HERITAGE TREES, THEY ALLOW A LOT OF SHADE FOR SUCH A LARGE PLAZA. UH, WE, WE DID ADD FOUR ADDITIONAL, UH, UM, MEXICAN SCA MAR TREES TO ALLOW FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SHADE THAT WAS HAPPENING IN SOME OF THE LARGER AREAS, UH, WITH A VERY MINIMAL FOOTPRINT THAT, UH, IT WOULD BLOCK, UH, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FLOW AND WHATNOT, UM, BUT STILL ALLOWING, UH, THE TREE TO KIND OF GROW IN TIME. UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, WE WILL SHOW THE, UH, LET'S SEE HERE. WE'LL SHOW THE, UH, PAST PLANT MATERIALS THAT WE, UH, BE INCLUDING AND ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPE AND PLANTING THAT AREAS, UH, WITH ALSO A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM. UM, A LOT OF EITHER TYPES OF NATIVES, UH, LOW WATER USAGE, UH, BUT ALSO WILL, UH, UM, WILL ALLOW BUTTERFLY AND, AND, AND BIRDS TO, UH, TO BE, UH, ACTIVATED IN THE PLAZA AS WELL. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THIS ONE WILL BE SHOWING THE, UH, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. I'M KIND OF TRYING TO FOLLOW AS WELL AS THE, THE LAG IN TIME. UM, THIS IS SHOWING THE, UH, HOW THE WALLS WERE OVER WERE BEING TAKEN OUT. AND ESSENTIALLY NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, ADDING, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE PANELS THAT ARE GONNA BE USED AS A SENSE OF PLACE MAKING FOR THE PLAZA ITSELF, KEEPING THAT SENSE OF ARRIVAL, UH, THROUGH GATEWAYS, UM, AS WELL AS THE PANELS FOR, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLE USE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE, UM, ACCESSING, YOU KNOW, LO YOU'RE ENTERING LOBBY, UM, AT CERTAIN POINTS WHEN YOU'RE PASSING THE THRESHOLD OF ESSENTIALLY THE PROPERTY LINE, [01:00:01] UH, OR RIGHT OF AWAY LINE FROM, UH, FROM ALAMO STREET. UM, YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS GOES INTO ANOTHER KIND OF, UH, ASPECT OF THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT WE PUT INTO, UH, THE PANELS, THE GATEWAYS, UH, THE, THE WAY WE'RE IRRIGATING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANTERS, THE NEW POTS, UM, AND, AND ALLOWING, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, SEEDING FOR BENCHES. UH, THAT WILL BE A D A ACCESSABLE, UM, AS WELL. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, WE'VE GOT AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE, UH, THE LIGHTING PLAN FOR THE PLAZA. UH, AGAIN, KIND OF ADHERING TO THE, UH, ANTONIO DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES, UM, WHERE NOT ALL LIGHTS FIT ONE. AND SO WE WERE STRATEGICALLY PLACING LIGHTS FOR TREE UP LIGHTS THAT WOULD ACCENT EXISTING TREES, UH, 15 LIGHTS, UM, FOR, FOR GIVEN, YOU KNOW, FUNCTION. UM, AND THEN THE FOUNTAIN LIGHTING. UM, ALTHOUGH WE DID CALL OUT FOR L E D, COLOR CHANGING LIGHTS. UM, THE COLOR CHANGING ASPECT OF IT IS REALLY FOR JUST AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. BUT, UH, AN L E D LIGHT CAN BE MORE FLEXIBLE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO TURN A WARM COLOR LIGHT, UH, AT THE VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING SHOE THAT YOU WOULD WANT RATHER THAN NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF FLEXIBILITY AT ALL. AND SO, UH, SO IF THERE WAS A MAINTENANCE MANAGEMENT THAT THEY REALLY WANTED JUST TO KEEP IT ALL SAME COLOR AND SHOES, LEDS WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND SO ALL THESE NEW LIGHTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AS WELL WOULD PROBABLY BE ALL L A D, SO THAT WAY THEY, UH, THEY'RE LOW ENERGY AND EFFICIENT. YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IT'S KIND OF SHOWING KIND OF THE, UH, UH, THE LIGHTING, UH, TYPE FIXTURES, UM, TRYING TO, KEEPING THEM VERY SIMPLE, UM, AND, UH, THINK CONSPICUOUS. BUT IT'S THE SAME TIME, UM, NEW AND UPDATED. WE'LL ALSO BE LOOKING AT, UH, INCORPORATING, UH, G F I PLUGS THROUGHOUT, UH, THE PLAZA SO THAT WAY IT CAN BE USED FOR DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS AND, AND USERS, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO RUN EXTENSION CORDS AND EXTENSION LINES EVERYWHERE. UH, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BE UP AGAINST A LOT OF THE PLANTERS PLUGIN. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET UP AGAINST THE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN POLES, UH, FOR FLEXING LIGHTS AND BE ABLE TO PLUG IN, UH, SPEAKERS AND, AND, AND MICS SUBMISS AS WELL. ADDITIONAL LIGHTING AS NEEDED. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THESE ARE GONNA BE NOW KIND OF THE, UH, PERSPECTIVE RENDERING, SHOWING THE DIFFERENT VIEWS. UH, THE FIRST ONE HERE WILL BE SHOWING THE, UH, THE GATEWAY AT EVA AND, UH, AND SOUTH ALAMO. UH, AND THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HEMISPHERE, EVA STREET, UH, WHERE TODAY THE ACTIVATION THAT HEMISPHERE IS CREATING, UH, TENDS TO BE MORE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE FEEL THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF HEAT TRAFFIC COMING IN AT THIS INTERSECTION. AND AS COMPLETE STREETS FOR SOUTH ALAMO KIND OF GETS CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT, UM, THEN THE, UH, THE NEW GATEWAY, OR THE EXTENDED GATEWAY AT THE STREET, UH, WILL ALSO BE JUST AS IMPORTANT. YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS SHOWING A NIGHT SHOT OF THE ENTRY, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THAT, THAT INTERSECTION AT MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND SOUTH ALAMO. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AFTER THAT. THIS IS SHOWING IT DURING THE DAY. AND AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO ADD SHADE. UM, WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE AND DID OUR ANALYSIS, KNOWING THAT THE PLAZA BIG, THE TODAY AND, AND, AND WELL USED IS GONNA BE IN THE DAYTIME, UM, ADDING, UH, SHADE, UH, ON I GUESS SOME OF THE REGULAR DAY USE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE CREATED IS GATEWAY, UH, HAVING A TRELLIS, UH, SUCH AS THIS TO KIND OF HELP BLOCK SOME OF THAT SHADE. MM-HMM. , GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SHOW THE NIGHT SHOT OF, UH, UNDERNEATH THAT GATEWAY. AND THEN, UH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE, UH, NEXT SLIDE, WHICH I THINK IS GONNA BE THE GATEWAY, UH, APPROACH FOR STREET ITSELF. UM, AND THIS ONE HERE, WE'VE GOT A REALLY WIDE OPENING FOR FIRE ACCESS LARGE TRUCK AND VEHICULAR ACCESS. UH, WE DID WANNA, UM, ACCESS THIS AS A, AS A MAJOR GATEWAY AS WELL, AND INCORPORATING THE SAME TYPE OF LIGHTING AND, AND COLUMNS THAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE, AS WELL AS THE SPECIAL PAVING PATTERN THAT STARTS TO LEAD ITSELF DOWN INTO THE FATHER, KIND OF DRAW PEOPLE IN FROM ALAMO STREET, UM, AND, AND APPROACH YOU, UM, INTO THE STREET AND THE SHOPS. UM, THE, UM, NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WILL, ALSO SHOWS, UH, WHAT THAT LOOKS. ANOTHER, UH, SMALL GATEWAY FROM ALAMO STREET. UM, KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENS TO MARICK PLAZA OFF OF ALAMO STREET IS IT'S GONNA BE OPEN ON, ON NUMEROUS AREAS TO, TO NAIL, UH, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL INVITATION INTO MARICK PLAZA IS NO LONGER JUST NECESSARILY ONE GATEWAY IN ITSELF. UH, BUT IT'S THE WHOLE STRETCH OF THE, THE STREET AND OLD ALAMO STREET THAT IS NOW GONNA BE [01:05:01] INVITING PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE, TO THE SHOPS, COME INTO THE PLAZA, AND MAKE IT A LOT MORE, UH, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AGAIN DURING THE ACTIVATION OF A, A DAILY USE, AS WELL AS BEING ABLE TO THEN ENCLOSING IT, UH, FOR SPECIAL FUNCTIONS AND LARGE FUNCTIONS. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THIS IS GONNA BE THE FIRST, UH, UH, IMAGE OF SHOWING THE FOUNTAIN AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE KIOSK, THE, THE LARGE KIOSK IN THE BACKGROUND. UM, AGAIN, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE KIOSK WITH THE FOUNTAIN IS BRING IT, UH, CLOSER TO, UH, A ROAD OR THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN OLD ALAMO STREET AND THE PLAZA. AND SO BRINGING IT FURTHER OUT RATHER THAN HAVING IT TUCKED BACK IN WHERE IT WAS BEFORE, UH, IT BRINGS IT OUT TO THE NODE THAT YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO FROM VEHICULAR ASPECTS, UM, AS WELL AS IN THE PEDESTRIAN USE AND THAT PART OPEN SPACE. UM, THAT CAN BE, UH, AGAIN, THE WAY I KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO NUMEROUS EVENTS MYSELF, UM, AS A SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT, AND, AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN TURN THE WATER OFF, BUILD A STRUCTURE OVER THAT, AND HAVE A STAGE, UH, AT THIS INTERSECTION POINT, UH, JUST AS WELL AS, AS IT WAS BEING USED BEFORE. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DURING THE N A EVENTS AND LARGE EVENTS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE USING THE PLAZA. UM, THE WAY IT, UH, IT PREVIOUSLY WAS, IT'S JUST, UM, BEING AT EASE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, A DIFFERENT FORMAT. UH, YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND IT SHOWS THE MATERIALS OF THE FOUNTAIN ITSELF AND UTILIZING THE, THE LIMESTONE, UM, THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLASSIC WITH, UH, SOME OF THE BRONZE COLORS AND, AND DARKER COPPER COLORS AS WELL AS THE TILES. UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A KIND OF A, A SPANISH, UH, MEXICAN SKIN, UH, TEXTURE TO IT AND, AND SHAPES AND CONES AS WELL. AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, JUST TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE, UM, WE USUALLY ALLOW 15 MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION, SO WE DO NEED TO WRAP UP THE PRESENTATION. WE'RE ALMOST DONE. OKAY. SO, UH, THANK YOU. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE, UH, SLIDES, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY. THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY SHOWING THE SAME THING FOR DIFFERENT ANGLES, VERY , UM, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PLAZA SIDE, LOOKING OUT TOWARD GAL STREET WITH ALL THE LARGE EXISTING TREES. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE A NIGHT SHOT OF THE PLAZA FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE PLAZA. LOOKING OUT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE LEFT THE CENTER WITHOUT PAVERS, AND IT'S ALL COLORED, INTEGRAL COLORED CONCRETE, UH, FOR DANCING AND EVENTS LIKE THAT AS WELL. UH, AS WELL AS INCORPORATING ART, UH, WITHIN THE PLAZA. AND AGAIN, MORE SEATING AREAS WITHIN THE PLAZA. UH, THE INTERIOR, UH, NEW TREES WOULD AGAIN, STILL GROW UP AND, AND ADD SOME MORE SHADE. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, A COUPLE OF NIGHT SHOTS OR NICE SHOT OF THE, UH, THE FOUNTAIN AT NIGHT. UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO SHOW THE, UH, THE LIGHTING THERE FOR THE PLAZA OR FOR THE FOUNTAINS ALL TO BE KIND OF THE SAME HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS AN EVENT, IT REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE, THE FOUNTAIN RATHER THAN CHANGING THE WATER ITSELF. UH, YOU JUST CHANGE OUT THE LIGHT. UM, BUT THAT IT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO, UH, BE THAT WAY COLOR CHANGING ON A, ON A DAILY USE. UM, AND YOU CAN GO TO THE, THE NEXT SLIDE. I THINK THESE ARE BASICALLY JUST SHOWING THE ELEVATIONS OF THE KIOSKS THEMSELVES. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE A, THE LARGE OPEN KITCHEN, ACTUALLY, THAT WOULD BE FOR, UH, UM, MARK, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE? YEAH, OF COURSE. YEAH. THIS REAL QUICK KITCHENS, AND THEN THIS IS, THIS IS A DEMONSTRATION KITCHEN HERE WITH A PUBLIC RESTROOM ON THE BACK END. UH, BASICALLY THE DEMONSTRATION KITCHEN AND THE LARGE KIOSK, THEY UTILIZE COMPATIBLE MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE, THE MATERIALS WE SEE IN LOBBY, ECHOS, GLOOM, UH, ROOFING. AND THEN WE TRY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF SPLASH COLOR, UH, WITH SOME TILE, UH, IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS. UM, BUT, UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT, WE CAN FIELD THEM, BUT I DO WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE TO, UH, TO PRESENT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. OKAY. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. I NOTICED THAT THERE HAD BEEN, UH, SEVERAL DRCS. IS THERE SOMETHING, UM, A REPORT FROM THAT? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I'VE ATTENDED A NUMBER OF DRCS AND I KNOW A NUMBER OF, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE AS WELL. UM, INCLUDING, UH, RECENT D R C I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, LAST WEEK WHERE WE WERE WALKED THROUGH ALL ASPECTS OF, UH, THE PROJECT AS WE WERE BRIEFLY TODAY. I THINK IT TOOK A LOT LONGER. UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT CAME FROM THE CONSERVATION [01:10:01] SOCIETY AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, PREVIOUSLY THAT, UH, WERE ASKED BY COMMISSIONERS, UM, INCLUDING, UH, SOME OF THE RATIONALE FOR THE FOUNTAIN, THE RATIONALE FOR THE GATE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE GATE AND THE SIGNAGE, UH, THE TREES, AND THEN ADDITIONAL, UH, DETAILS ON SOME OF THE FINISHED MATERIAL OF THE PLANTERS. AND I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WAS, UH, DISCUSSED IN THE LAST D R C IS, UH, PRESENT HERE IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY. UH, FETZER, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UH, NO. I DO HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, HAVE COME UP SINCE THE D R C AND BASED ON SOME OF THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO, UM, ONE QUESTION IS WE, IT CAME UP AT THE, UH, D R C IS, WHAT IS THE INTERFACE, UH, BETWEEN THE PLAZA AND THE RESTAURANT PRIVATE PATIOS? THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES. SO THIS IS MARK NAVARRO. UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE BETWEEN THE PLAZA, THE PUBLIC PLAZA SPACE, AND THE COURTYARDS OF THE RESTAURANT. UM, AT ONE POINT WE HAD HAD SOME TYPE OF, UH, GATE GATEWAY BETWEEN THE COURTYARDS IN THE, IN THE PLAZA, BUT WE HAVE HEARD FROM NUMEROUS STAKEHOLDERS THAT, THAT THEY DON'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK VERY WELL, UH, INCLUDING THE RESTAURATEUR. AND WE WANTED MORE FREE FLOWING, UH, ACCESS BETWEEN PLAZA AND COURTYARD. SO RIGHT NOW, UH, THEY ARE OPEN AND WE INTEND THEM TO BE OPEN. WE WILL HAVE A, A SMALL MATERIAL TRANSITION BETWEEN EACH RESTAURANT AND PLAZA. UH, BUT BESIDES THAT, THEY WILL BE OPEN BETWEEN COURTYARD AND PLAZA. OKAY. UM, A QUESTION THAT CAME OUT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, IS THERE PLANNING TO BE ANY SIGNAGE AT THE VETA STREET ENTRANCE? YES, THIS IS RAYA ROBERTS, AND WE ALSO HAVE LATA AND C C D O STAFF ON THE LINE IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS. UM, BUT LIKE MARK MENTIONED, WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE ALAMO COMPLETE STREETS AND HEMISPHERE PROJECTS, WE EXPECT THAT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO BE MUCH MORE EVENLY DISPERSED THAN IT IS NOW. AND SO WE THOUGHT THE SOUTH ALAMO EVA STREET ENTRANCE WAS APPROPRIATE. AND HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE V TO STREET ENTRANCE WAS, UM, A FIRE LANE. AND SO FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, LARGE OVERHEAD SIGNAGE, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW, WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE THERE. IF THE BUDGET ALLOWS, WE'D LIKE TO ADD SOME PEDESTRIAN LEVEL SIGNAGE, UM, AT THAT LOCATION TO THE EXISTING FOUNTAIN. ARE THEY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE IN DIAMETER? UH, OBJECT. OBJECT. THIS IS MARKED TO YOU. UM, THE QUESTION WAS IF THE PATENTS WERE ABOUT THE SAME, UH, IN DIAMETER, UH, COMPARED TO EXISTING VERSUS, UH, THE PROPOSED? YES. AND, UH, THE DIAMETER FOR THE BOTTOM PORTION IS ACTUALLY, UH, WATER-WISE IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE EXISTING ONE. UH, THE EXISTING ONE DOES HAVE, UH, SOME STAIR STEPS THAT ACTUALLY ACT AS KIND OF THE BASE. UM, AND, AND IF YOU TAKE THAT BASE AND, AND OVERLAY IT INTO THE EXISTING FOUNTAIN TODAY, UH, YOU SEE, UH, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TWO FEET, UM, TWO OR THREE FEET, UH, DIFFERENT THAN DIAMETER WISE, UM, AS FAR AS USABLE SPACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ONE LAST QUESTION. UH, RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, RESTAURANTS? YEAH, THIS IS RAYA AGAIN. UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE DEVELOPER THEY'LL PICK UP DESIGN BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND HOPE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THE RESTAURANT PORTION NEXT SUMMER. AND SO WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU IN THE MEANTIME. UM, PROBABLY AROUND THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR FOR THOSE, BUT THIS IS ONLY FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO THAT LEADS TO ANOTHER QUESTION. IF THE, UM, RESTAURANTS AREN'T, UM, OR IF THEY'RE STILL IN DESIGN AND, AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FINALIZED, UM, DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO, UM, [01:15:03] POSTPONE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAZA UNTIL THE RESTAURANTS ARE MORE FULLY DEVELOPED IN CASE, UH, THE PLAZA, UH, FOOTPRINT GETS LARGER, THE RESTAURANTS GET SMALLER, UH, IN THE TIME OF COVID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, THE RESTAURATEURS ARE GONNA WANNA DO IN THE FUTURE, UH, A YEAR FROM NOW. UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, I KNOW YOU'D LIKE TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME IN TERMS OF SITE WORK, BUT DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO POSTPONE THE PLAZA, UH, CONSTRUCTION? UM, UNTIL THE RESTAURANTS ARE FURTHER DEVELOPED? WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT NOW. THE, THE PHASING PLAN HAS US COMPLETE MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE THE RESTAURANTS COME IN. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH STAGING AREA. UM, AND SO OUR, OUR PLAN IS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO COMPLETE THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE THE RESTAURANT CONSTRUCTION BEGINS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT THE RESTAURANTS WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH FINISHING THEIR DESIGN AND WE'LL, WE'LL START NEXT YEAR. UM, BUT YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED INTO THAT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR PLAN. THANK YOU. AND JEFF, THIS IS MARK NAVARRO. I JUST WANNA, UH, EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE ARE, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, A J R C CONTRACTOR OF THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT PHASING, TO MAKING SURE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, WILL WORK. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING WILL, WILL BE ABLE TO WORK OUT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN FETZER, IT'S COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND, UM, UH, THAT, THAT I THINK ARE FOR, FOR ME, IMPORTANT TO BE IN THE RECORD, UH, ON ITS FACE. UH, IT'S A VERY GOOD DESIGN, PRETTY, UM, AND WOULD BEAUTIFY ANY PLACE, ANY PLACE. I MADE NOTE OF THE METAL WORK AND THE PAVING, BUT, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR WHAT DESIGN ELEMENTS, WHAT ARCHITECTURE TIES THE PROPOSAL TO SAN ANTONIO, OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO LATA IN EFFECT. WHAT, WHAT I SEE IS A DESIGN THAT ONLY TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE CREATION OF A PLACE, BUT IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM DO I SEE IT RESPECTING A PLACE WITH DRAMATIC HISTORY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, ITS CONNECTION TO THE ALAMO IS, IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. AND, AND IT'S, UM, I THINK VERY UNFORTUNATE, UM, USE OF IMMENSE TALENT. UH, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPETUS FOR THE DESIGN LEAVING, UH, HISTORY. UM, SO, WELL, ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS, WHY, WHY HASN'T THERE BEEN AN EFFORT? I LOOK LOOKING AT SLIDE, I GUESS TOWARD THE TAIL END OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION. IT WOULD BE SHEET, UM, PLAZA, PLAZA FOUNTAIN, UH, ONE OF, ONE OF THE TWO PLAZA FOUNTAIN, UH, COLOR IMAGES. THERE'S ONE, LET'S SAY THE ONE BEFORE IT, THE ONE BEFORE, THE ONE THAT WAS JUST, UH, THAT ONE THERE, IT'S KIND OF REMINISCENT OF WHAT'S BEEN BEING, BEING, UH, UH, ACCOMPLISHED AT THE HEMISPHERE. BUT THE HEMISPHERE IS A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE, OR AT LEAST IT, AT LEAST THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. IT, IT WAS ALLOWED TO COMPLETELY BE DEVOID OF, OR, OR DEVOID OF, OF, OF ITS HISTORY, RIGHT? A LOT OF DEMOLITION THAT WENT ON THERE, AND IT, IT JUST DISAPPEARED. SO YOU SEE THE CONTEMPORARY ARTWORK THAT'S USED, IT MIGHT JUST BE A PLACEHOLDER, BUT IT IS RELATED TO THE LINES, THE TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT'S PRESENTED. IT BECOMES A DIFFERENT PLACE ALTOGETHER. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS NOTING, NOTING A, A QUOTE THAT MARK MA MARY MAVERICK SAID THAT THIS PLACE WAS TO BE A SYMBOL AND MONUMENT TO THOSE SIMPLE PEOPLE, UH, WHO MADE POSSIBLE THE GREAT CITY THAT HAD GROWN UP AROUND IT. AND IN THE 1939 ORDINANCE, APPARENTLY IT WAS FOR THE PROMOTION OF PEACE, FRIENDSHIP, AND JUSTICE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ALL THOSE NATIONS IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. OKAY. NOW, [01:20:01] CONSIDERING THAT WE DON'T HAVE SUCH A GOOD, UH, CONSIDERING THAT SAN ANTONIO HASN'T LEARNED TO TELL THE STORY THROUGH ITS BUILT ENVIRONMENTS BETWEEN MEXICANS AND TEXAN, RIGHT? THE COAST HOUSE THAT'S THERE IS THERE BECAUSE, UM, APPARENTLY THEY WERE BATTLING FROM LATA TO, UM, THE ALAMO. AND I, I, I GUESS THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, UM, UM, LED BY ONE OF THE MAVERICKS ON ONE SIDE AND LED BY THE, UH, THE MILITARY AIR COSTS. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WHEN, WHEN A PROJECT COMES BEFORE THE H D R C, THAT IT'S NOT MERELY WHETHER THE GAL ALUMINUM ROOFS, UH, UM, FOLD IS THE CROPPER DIMENSION. BUT WHETHER IT SPEAKS TO WHAT WE'RE PRESERVING, AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A PRESERVATION DISTRICT, UM, ON A HISTORIC SITE, IT SOMEHOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TOO EASY OF A TASK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE IS THE ARCHITECTURE OF, OF AN ERA. AND NOT NECESSARILY RECREATING, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT AND HAVING THAT VISIBLE WITHIN THE PRESENTATION, THE, THE, AND I, I JUST, YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE LONG-WINDED ABOUT IT, WHICH I ALREADY HAVE BEEN, BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STYLE, MOST IMPORTANT, UM, ARCHITECTURAL RESPONSIBILITY OF H D R C. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITES LIKE MISSION SAN JUAN OR SAN JUAN CAPANO, OR, UH, OR, OR THE ASAKIA THAT GOES THROUGH RIVER ROAD OVER HERE. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS. AND THEY GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WHEN YOU GO TO PRA AND YOU GO TO PRAGUE CASTLE, THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT GO THERE EVERY YEAR, THEY GO TO THE TOP OF THE CASTLE DISTRICT, AND THERE'S A LITTLE AREA THAT YOU WALK INTO THAT HAS TO BE THERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, AND IT'S A MUSEUM. AND YOU GO IN AND YOU SEE THE, THE, THE, THE HATCHETS AND THE, AND THE SWORDS AND EVERYTHING. AND IF YOU'RE FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL INDUSTRY, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY GET THROUGH THAT SECTION WITHOUT SAYING, WHY DIDN'T, WHY DIDN'T THEY IMPROVE THIS SITUATION, THE STAIRS OR THE WALKWAY? BUT YOU KNOW, BETTER, YOU KNOW THAT, WELL, YOU COULD, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, YOU LOSE SOMETHING, RIGHT? YOU LOSE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN NEVER GET BACK. I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAKE EVERY YEAR, NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE, THAT, THE ENVIRONMENT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. ALTHOUGH I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE. I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN, IN, IN THE CITY WITH THE BIG, BIG DIALOGUE THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH OVER AT THE ALAMO, THAT IT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THAT SAN ANTONIO'S NOT LEARNING ANYTHING. AND I'M GONNA JUST TELL YOU WHAT THAT IMAGE THAT I DON'T THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS PRESENTATION AND THE CONTEMPORARY ART THERE, THAT'S THERE, WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID, MY FATHER WOULD TAKE US TO THE HEMISPHERE. THAT PAINTING THERE REMINDS ME OF THE HEMISPHERE QUITE A BIT. HEMISPHERE WAS A BIG DEAL. EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT THEY DID, IT'S BEEN TORN DOWN. ALL OF THOSE NEW IMPROVEMENTS WERE TORN DOWN. AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT, THAT THE INVESTMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, IN THAT TIME, THAT THEY LASTED VERY LONG. THEY WERE VERY SHORT-LIVED, UH, UM, UM, UM, BENEFITS. AND THAT TODAY WAS STILL TALKING ABOUT TEARING DOWN JOHN WOOD, UH, A BUILDING OR THE PERFORMING ARTS BUILDING. IT SHOULD BE BE KNOWN AS ALONG WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, PIECES OF OF TIME, PIECES OF ARCHITECTURE THAT I, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, UH, CHAIRMAN UNDERSTANDING WHY THIS COMES BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, IF IT'S ABOUT WHETHER IT MEETS CODE OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S, UH, GONNA BURN DOWN. WELL, I MEAN, UH, I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE QUALIFIED TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD FIRE PANEL OR LET KNOW HOW TO LAY A BRICK PAPER. BUT, BUT IF THE CONTEXT IS NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, I, I'M BAFFLED BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT THE HISTORIC NATURE AND INTEGRITY OF THESE ENVIRONMENTS SHOULD BE PART OF THESE PRESENTATIONS. AND I, I HAVEN'T, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT TELLS ME AS A COMMISSIONER THAT WITH RESPECT TO THESE MOST IMPORTANT SITES IN SAN ANTONIO, THAT THERE'S ANY WAY I CAN DO ANY SERVICE TO, UH, THIS, THIS, TO THIS APPLICANT, TO THE CITY OR, OR, OR, OR TO THIS COMMISSION. BECAUSE [01:25:01] WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF WHY IT WOULD COME BEFORE US, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER LUNE. UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST THAT I THINK THE DESIGN WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS, IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE ONE. AND THE DESIGN, UH, TEAM IS TO BE COMMENDED FOR THAT. HOWEVER, AFTER HEARING ALL OF THE COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS HEARING, AND I BELIEVE THERE WERE OVER 50 COMMENTS, AND I DID NOT HEAR ONE COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF THIS DESIGN, THEY WERE ALL OPPOSED. THAT IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME, ESPECIALLY COMMENTS FROM MANY MEMBERS OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UH, THAT GROUP IS THE MAJOR OCCUPANT OF MAVERICK PLAZA, UH, DURING NSA. AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A, A MAJOR VOICE IN, IN WHAT HAPPENS THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S HAPPENED. SO I THINK THAT, THAT THIS DESIGN, UH, SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED TODAY. IT SHOULD BE COORDINATED FURTHER WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND OTHERS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED COMMENTS, UH, DURING THIS HEARING. AND JUST A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT SYCAMORE TREES. SYCAMORES ARE TYPICALLY FOUND IN A RIPARIAN SITUATION, WHICH MEANS THEY GROW ALONG CREEKS AND STREAMS WHERE THEY CAN GET ENOUGH WATER TO SUPPORT THEM. I CAN REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY REMEMBER THIS, I BELIEVE IT WAS DURING THE TRI-PARTY PROJECT THAT SEVERAL SYCAMORES WERE PLANTED IN STREET PLANTERS, PRIMARILY ALONG THE WEST EDGE OF DOWNTOWN ALONG SANTA ROSA STREET. YOU DRIVE DOWN SANTA ROSA TODAY, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ONE SYCAMORE TREE REMAINING. THEY'VE ALL DIED OR BEEN REMOVED. SO IT'S ALL, THIS IS A COMMISSIONER. FISH. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, RELATED TO OUR PURVIEW AND PARTICULARLY WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING IN THIS APPLICATION TODAY. THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONTEXT IN LATA. IT'S A LARGER, UH, PIECE OF THIS CITY, BUT CAN YOU OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY MAYBE SHANNON OR COREY, UH, ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S REALLY IN, IN THE APPLICATION? SURE. SO WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS THE PROPOSED DESIGN OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. UM, WHAT IS NOT IN YOUR PURVIEW OR DECISION RELATED TODAY IS THE AMOUNT OF SPACE LEASED FOR EVENTS. UM, I DO THINK THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER, UM, HOW WELL THE SPACE MIGHT WORK FOR EVENTS SINCE THAT'S HOW IT'S INTENDED TO USED. AND SO THERE'S, UH, PLANTER DESIGNS, LOCATION OF THINGS. THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF THE DESIGN. AND SO THOSE COULD BE COMMENTED ON. UM, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL NOT A SPACE THAT IS LEASED FOR I OA AND OTHER EVENTS IS NOT PURATION. AND THE RESTAURANT ELEMENTS ARE NOT IN THE PURVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION ALSO. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THERE, THERE, YOU SEE THE FOOTPRINTS FOR REFERENCE, AND AS YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVE BEEN PART OF THE D R C CONVERSATIONS UP UNTIL NOW. BUT THOSE WILL BE SUBMITTED SEPARATE APPLICATION CO, CORY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CORY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ FROM, FROM MY PER, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY SPENDING SO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, YES, THEY HAVE A, A BUSINESS MODEL THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT, BUT THEY ARE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THEIR, AND, AND THEIR JOB IS THE ARCHITECTURE AND, AND CONSIDERING THE HARD TIME THAT THEY GIVE PEOPLE WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THEIR HOUSES. THIS IS PUBLIC PROPERTY AND THE FOCUS SHOULD BE THE ARCHITECTURE. AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, EVERY SLIDE THAT IS PRESENTED TO US IS IN OUR PURVIEW. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S PUT BEFORE US. AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, WHETHER IT'S THE PAVERS AND THE VERTICAL WHERE IT MEETS THE HORIZONTAL, IT, IT TELLS A STORY. AND I, I AGREE WITH, UH, UH, UH, A PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS THAT THE DESIGN WORK IS WONDERFUL AND THEY SHOULD BE COMMENDED. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FANTASTIC. BUT I COULD PUT IT ON THE MOON AND IT WOULD STILL BE BEAUTIFUL, AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE MOON. BUT HERE, IT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LET ME MAKE A, LET ME MAKE A NEUTRAL POSITIVE COMMENT, RIGHT? [01:30:02] IT, IT, IT, IT CREATES A BEAUTIFUL SPACE. BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, CORY, WITH RESPECT TO OUR JURISDICTION, WE ARE ALSO IN CHARGE OF CONTINUITY WITH RESPECT TO HISTORIC INTEGRITY, I WOULD THINK. RIGHT? AND THIS IS A QUESTION, CORY. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, YOU ARE COMMENTING ON THE DESIGN, AND THAT'S VERY MUCH WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. OKAY, THANK YOU. CORY, CLARIFY, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF SUBMITTED? YEAH, THIS IS RAYA ROBERTS. UM, I'LL JUST CLARIFY A COUPLE OF OF THINGS RELATED TO COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S COMMENTS. UM, THAT ARTWORK YOU SEE IS A PLACEHOLDER, UM, LIKE ALL CITY PROJECTS, UM, THIS WILL GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, AND THEY HAVE SELECTED AN ARTIST, UM, THAT WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT, WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR LOBBY TO, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONE TO THE FULL, UM, PUBLIC ART COMMISSION YET. SO WE CANNOT ANNOUNCE WHO THAT IS, BUT THAT WILL BE REVIEWED, UM, THROUGH THEM AND BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SETTING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC WERE SIMILAR TO YOURS AS FAR AS MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF LATA AND WHAT PEOPLE FEEL IS IMPORTANT THAT MAKES IT THAT WAY. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANTED TO KEEP FISHER HECK ARCHITECTS INVOLVED IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH EXPERIENCE WORKING IN LATA IN THESE HISTORIC SETTINGS. AND I DUNNO IF THEY WANNA MAKE A FEW MORE COMMENTS ABOUT WHY THEY CHOSE SOME OF THESE MATERIALS AND HOW THEY FIT IN WITH THE REST OF LATA. AND I'LL JUST REMIND YOU THAT THE PROJECT INCLUDES THE REHABILITATION AND SENSITIVE ADDITIONS TO TWO OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS WITHIN LATA. UM, YOU'LL SEE MORE ON THAT LATER WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER SIDE, BUT WE WERE MINDFUL OF MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER AND THE, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF LATA. UM, MARK, I, WELL, FIRST, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I, I WANT FISHER HEC TO KNOW THAT I HOLD THEM IN THE HIGHEST ESTEEM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS A TRUE STATEMENT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTS ARE AND BEHOLDEN TO THEIR CLIENTS TOO, GO AROUND DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ALL THE TIME THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO SOMEBODY. SO SOMEBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRITERIA. IF, IF YOU GO TO THE, TO THE MP STUDIO SHEET, LET'S SAY SHEET, UM, VITA STREET ENTRY AND LET'S SAY VITA STREET ENTRY, AND THERE'S TWO, TWO SHEETS. UM, THERE'S ONE THAT'S A, THAT'S LOOKING AT THE TOWER LIGHT BUILDING. YEAH. TO ME, THOSE ARE KIND OF TROUBLESOME. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, UM, VERY MODERN. I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO, IT IS HARD TO SAY. IT'S NOTHING HERE IS BAD, BUT IT, I MEAN, IS THERE AN EXPLANATION FOR HOW THAT TIES TO, LET'S JUST SAY THE 1835, UH, SIEGE OF THE ALAMO? THEY'RE RELATED. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WHAT DOES THE ALAMO HAVE TO DO WITH THAT STREET? IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE ALAMO. UM, HOW, HOW IS A PERSON GETTING FROM THE ALAMO TO THE RESTAURANT AND IN THAT PATHWAY FINDING THEIR WAY TO WHERE, UM, THEY NOT ONLY FIND A GOOD ENCHILADA, BUT THEY FIND HISTORY. AND, AND I CAN ONLY, I CAN ONLY, I BRING YOU BACK TO PRAGUE EVERY TIME THE PRAGUE IN A WAY THAT LEARNS FROM THE HISTORICAL LESSONS OF ARCHITECTURE IN THE WORLD. AND HOW DO WE NOT JUST DESTROY EVERYTHING OR, OR WHAT IS NICE AND CLEAN AND PRETTY, BUT HOW DO WE USE THESE DOLLARS TO, TO NOT JUST GET US TO THE RESTAURANT, BUT INFORM US OF WHERE WE ARE IN HISTORY OR, OR WHICH IS IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO MARIO MAVERICK'S EXPECTATION? OR ARE WE REALLY JUST TRYING TO SAY NO, JUST WIPE OUT ANY MEMORY OF SANTA ANA AND GENERAL CALL, GENERAL CAUSE AND, AND, AND WHEN, [01:35:01] WHEN IN REALITY, YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, HEROES AT THE ALAMO WITHOUT, WITHOUT THOSE TYRANTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, UH, HOW, HOW IS THE ARCHITECTURE TALKING TO, TO US IN THAT, IN THAT PAGE, IN THAT ENTRY THERE, THE ENTRY TO, UM, LATA? YES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELA. FIRST, THIS IS MARK NAVARRO. UM, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND THE SENSITIVITY, UM, OF YOUR COMMENTS, UH, TRYING TO PROTECT LATA AND, AND HISTORY AND THE CHARACTER, UM, 100% AS WELL AS YOUR, YOUR KIND WORDS FOR FISHER HECK AND, AND OUR, AND OUR FIRM. SO, AS YOU KNOW, HAS AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY, WELL OVER 300 YEARS. UM, AND SOME OF OUR EARLY D R C MEETINGS WE HAD, THEY WERE ONLY HISTORY BASED, UH, WHERE WE HAD MORE THAN AN HOUR'S WORTH OF PRESENTATION JUST TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY. UH, TODAY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, OBVIOUSLY. UM, SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE HISTORIC SITES IS WHAT IS THAT TRUE TO SIGNIFICANCE? UM, AND, UH, Y'ALL HAVING THE SAME, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS OVER AT THE ALAMO AS YOU HAD, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT PERIOD SIGNIFICANCE. HOW CAN YOU RELATE, UH, NOT TO EVERY SINGLE MOMENT IN TIME, BUT THE PERIOD THAT WE BELIEVE IS, UH, OR THAT, THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO, UH, TO, TO BASE OUR CONCEPTS OFF OF. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD IN OUR PUBLIC MEETING, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER AGO NOW, WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING, UH, BECAUSE OF COVID AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON. UM, BUT WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING SHOWING THAT, OR TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY AND THE INITIAL CONCEPT, WE HEARD SO MUCH RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MY, MY GRANDFATHER, MY DAD, MY WHOEVER, UM, THEY USED TO HAVE A SHOP OUT HERE. THEY WERE ARTISANS. THEY USED TO DO METAL WORK. THEY USED TO DO THIS WHEN I WAS A KID. I USED TO COME OUT HERE AND, AND PLAY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS ART SHOP, UH, THIS POTTER PLACE. AND THAT REALLY STUCK WITH US. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO OUT HERE WAS BRING THAT ART ELEMENT. 'CAUSE THIS IS HISTORIC ART VILLAGE, HISTORIC ART DISTRICT. UM, SO THAT ART ELEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THE METAL WORK. YOU CAN SEE THAT AS WELL IN THE LIGHT WORK THAT WE HAVE, SHOWING HOW THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WAS HANDCRAFTED VERY DELICATELY, OBVIOUSLY WITH MORE MODERN TECHNIQUES THAN WHAT YOU WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY. UM, USING THE DIFFERENT, UM, PAVER PATTERNS, THE DHAN PAVERS, UH, USING, USING THOSE IN PLACES. WE'VE WORKED ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLAZAS WITHIN , UM, ON REPAVING PROJECTS. AND EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN CHARACTER. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST A LITTLE BIT QUIRKY, WHICH IS FUN BECAUSE IT'S AN ARTS VILLAGE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WHEREVER WE WERE IN DESIGN. HOW CAN WE RELATE THIS BACK TO ART? HOW CAN WE MAKE, RELATE THIS BACK TO SOMEONE CREATING SOMETHING? AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT MODERN LOOKING MURAL ON, ON THAT ONE, UH, RENDERING THAT WE HAD. AND I AGREE THAT, THAT THAT IS COMPLETELY REPRESENTATIONAL FROM PLACEHOLDER TO SHOW THAT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF ART THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ART DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, UH, ON THAT PIECE OF ART WHERE A, A LOCAL ARTAN HAS BEEN CHOSEN TO CREATE SOMETHING, AND WE'RE GONNA WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH THAT ARTIST ONCE AGAIN, TRYING TO BRING THAT ART IDEA BACK INTO THE PROJECT, BACK TO LIFE IN MAVERICKS PLAZA. UH, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ANY, OR DO I HAVE ANY, ANYONE ELSE FROM THE DESIGN TEAM THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WELL ADD ON TO THAT? I, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. UM, YOU KNOW, AS I, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE MYSELF PUTTING THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER. I WOULD FIND A PIECE THAT RELATES TO WHATEVER IT IS THAT I DID, AND THEN AFTER THE PRESENTATION COMES, WELL, IT, IT, IT DOES SPEAK TO, UM, MY INTENTIONS. I, I, I, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S THIS BAD ARCHITECTURE. LOOK, UH, MY, ONE OF MY MENTORS IN THE ARTS, CHITA, JESUS CANTU, HAD A FIRST STUDIO THERE IN LATA. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN THEY FILMED VIVA MAX, PETER OV WENT BACK TO HIS STUDIO, AND, UH, THEY HAD JUST COMPLETED THE VERY FIRST CHICANO ART SHOW IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CALLED COWBOYS. AND PETER OV FELL IN LOVE WITH THE PAINTING THAT CHITA DID, AND CHITA GAVE IT TO PETER . THE ARTS ARE VERY STRONG, AND LATA IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S VERY TRUE, BUT, UM, MUCH LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE AT MAIN PLAZA, [01:40:01] IT, IT, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE SPANISH PLANTS. IT'S GONE. IT'S GONE. IS IT A BETTER PLAZA? I DON'T KNOW. I, I, I PERSONALLY, UH, THINK THAT HISTORY'S IMPORTANT, AND HERE IT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, SOME UNFORTUNATE THAT THE DESIGN WORK IS GOOD, BUT I, I THINK THAT IT, IT WOULD SERVE THE CITIZENS AND, AND THE DESIGNERS TO, TO TRY TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO, UH, UNDERSTAND THE POETICS OF HISTORIC SPACE. THIS, THE, THE PICTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU GO DOWN THAT STREET, THERE HAVE BEEN MUCH CHANGES, BUT THERE WERE ALWAYS EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN THAT HISTORIC FEELING. ONCE YOU GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF LATA, YOU HIT THE C P S BUILDING, AND THEN YOU REALIZE HOW SOMETIMES MODERN DECISIONS CAN REALLY RUIN, UH, UH, A TRUTH OF, OF, OF AN EXPERIENCE. AND IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THIS IS AN ERASING OF, OF, OF, OF THAT EXPERIENCE. I, I, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR MORE OF A, UH, UH, RETURNING AND, AND THE CREATION OF POETICS. I, I'LL JUST RELATE IT TO, UH, COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE SYCAMORE TREES. YOU CAN PLANT ANY TREE YOU WANT THERE, BUT THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE IN TREES THAT AREN'T APPROPRIATE AND ARCHITECTURES LIKE THAT AS WELL. UH, I, I, I'M, I DON'T WANT TO, UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO TO LECTURE YOU PROFESSIONALS THAT I KNOW ARE, ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND ALL THAT, BUT IF, IF AS A COMMISSION, WE PLAY A PART AS THE CLIENT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK ANOTHER OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THIS IS MARCO STUDIO. I WOULD NOTE THAT A LOT OF THE, UH, THE, THE MATERIALS THEY WERE USING, AGAIN FOR THE KIND OF THE, THE WARM COLORS, UH, THE LIMESTONE EFFECT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE WERE KIND OF CONSIDERED, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE USE THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE REGION, SPEAKS TO SAN ANTONIO, UH, SPEAKS TO THE THINGS IN THE FIELD, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. UH, YOU KNOW, WALKING THROUGH THE ALAMO, WALKING DOWN, UH, THE RIVER WALK WHERE, WHERE IT'S KIND OF THIS, UH, ACCUMULATED, UM, I GUESS, UH, CONVERGENCE AT LAVA FOR THE, THE, THE TIMES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, SAID THERE. UM, IT CAN, YOU KNOW, IT CAN REALLY NOT SPEAK TO A CERTAIN PERIOD BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG AND KIND OF EVOLVE IN SO MANY YEARS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE, UH, WE'RE CHALLENGED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE EXISTING PAVERS THAT ARE THERE, USING THOSE STILL AS BANDINGS, BUT THEN USING CLAY PAVERS, UM, TO SHOW A DIFFERENT, UH, KIND OF MATERIAL THAT IS BEING USED. AND, AND SO THERE'S VARIOUS DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND COLOR CONES, UM, THAT I THINK ARE KIND OF SPEAKING INTO THAT, THAT CULTURAL ASPECT OF, UH, UH, HAND MADE DIFFERENT COLORS, DIFFERENT, UH, UH, MATERIALS AND HOW, HOW THEY'RE KIND OF, UH, FORMATTED, UM, IF YOU WILL, BY, BY A HUMAN HAND, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, AND OF COURSE THEN WE, WE GET INTO KIND OF THE, THE CONSTRUCTABILITY AND, UH, RELIABILITY LASTING AS LONG AS IT NEEDS TO LAST FOR, FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE CONCEPT AS WELL. SO NOT ONLY IS IT JUST CONCRETE, BUT NOW IT'S INTEGRATED COLORED CONCRETE IN CERTAIN AREAS AND PATTERNS AND PORTFOLIOS, UM, WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BANDING AND DETAIL KIND OF THOUGHT OUT ON IT, UM, TO KIND OF GO INTO THAT, THAT CULTURAL ASPECT AND, AND THE PLAZA WE'RE GONNA BE CREATING, UH, FOR THE NEXT GENERATION TO COME. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. THERE ARE NO MORE, UH, QUESTIONS. I, I JUST LIKE TO STATE, UH, GIVEN KIND OF THE PARAMETERS OF THIS PROJECT AND ITS PROCESS AND THE DESIGN THAT'S SUBMITTED HERE. I SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS AND THE APPLICATION AT LARGE. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND . WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. [01:45:01] WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY. OLA? AYE. RUTH A THAT SIR? NAY, ? NAY. THAT'S FOUR TO THREE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN. CAN I JUST, UH, HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. UH, CORY, JUST THERE KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHEN, UH, THERE'S D R C, WE GET THESE EMAILS AND WE GET THE ADDRESS AND WE GET WHAT TYPE OF A PROJECT IS A BIG PROJECT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY. I REALLY SUGGEST THE COMMISSIONERS ATTEND THE D R C, MANY D R C. IT HELPS A LOT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT, THE SCOPES, AND A LOT. SO I THINK THAT FOR THE SAKE OF ALL THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE TODAY WAITING, UM, MORE ADAMANT ABOUT ATTENDING THOSE D R C MEETINGS. HI, THIS IS, HI, THIS IS ALMA LONA WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UM, SINCE WE HAVE FOUR TO THREE, THE MOTION REQUIRES, UH, FIVE VOTES IN ORDER TO BE APPROVED. SO THE MOTION FAILED. ALMA, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? I THOUGHT WE WERE . UM, ACCORDING TO THE U D C, UM, REQUIRES THAT, UH, NUMBER OF VOTES IS FIVE FOR SUCH OUTCOME TO BE DEEMED AN APPROVAL. SO IF, SO IN THIS CASE, THE MOTION FAILED, YOU NEED A REQUISITE OF FIVE VOTES. YEAH, AMMA, WE CAN, WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE THAT ISN'T, IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. LET'S TAKE A, UM, FIVE MINUTE BREAK. WE ARE ONCE AGAIN LIVE. UM, UM, I DO WANT TO RESTATE WHAT YOU CLARIFIED TO THE RECORD. OKAY, I WILL DO IT. ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS A MISREADING OF A SECTION OF CODE. UM, SO THE U D C SAYS THAT A APPROVAL REQUIRES THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAD A VOTE WITH FOUR TO THREE, AND SO THE MOTION DID CARRY. UM, SO WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. ITEM NINE WAS ALSO PULLED FOR CONSENT, FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. UM, WE HAVE THAT APPLICANT ON THE CALL CO. CORY CORY, MR. CHAIRMAN WITH, WITH YOUR PERMISSION BE BEFORE YOU, UH, GO ON COREY IN THE, THE RECORD. NEXT, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, FOR THE MINUTES, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE INCLUDE THE SECTION OF THE, OF THAT ALMA READ ALONG WITH THE SECTION THAT SHE INTERPRETED FIRST THAT REFERRED TO DEMOLITIONS. IT WOULD HELP, UH, FOR THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT, WHAT JUST HAPPENED, OF COURSE. AND I'LL JUST STATE IT NOW. IT'S, IT'S U D C 35, SECTION 8 0 3, SUBSECTION J I J ONE. AND I'LL JUST READ IT RIGHT NOW. THE QUORUM OF THE COMMISSION SHALL REQUIRE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES OF THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT IS REQUIRED FOR ACTION, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF AN APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION, WHICH WILL REQUIRE TWO THIRDS MAJORITY. THAT WAS THE MISINTERPRETATION. WE DO HAVE A SIMPLE MAJORITY PRESENT FOR ACTION ON THE CERTIFICATE. THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENED TODAY. OKAY, ARE WE READY, ADAM? NINE? WE DO [20-4854 Address/Description: 511 CLUB DR HDRC Case No.: 2020-355 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Ricardo Matamoros Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 7] YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YES. UH, RICARDO FOR FIVE 11 CLUB IS ON THE LINE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I THANK YOU FOR WAITING PATIENTLY, UH, FOR THIS QUESTION. UM, I, I WAS WONDERING, I, THERE'S A LETTER IN THE, IN THE FOLDER THAT'S MENTIONING, UH, WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL. COULD, COULD YOU TELL US THROUGH THE, SOME OF THE RENOVATION WORK THAT'S HAPPENED ON THE HOUSE AND KIND OF WHEN THINGS HAPPENED? YES, UH, WELL, I, I DID TAKE OUT A LOT OF THE CERTIFICATES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THE, THE SIDE WINDOWS, I WAS UNABLE TO REPAIR THEM. THEY WERE ESTABLISHED , TO BE HONEST. UH, THEY DID APPROVE, UM, THE SIDING WORK. SO WHEN I DID THE SIDING WORK ON THE HOUSE, I ENDED UP REPLACING THE WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT SIDE. AND, UM, [01:50:01] THAT'S WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING RIGHT THERE. UM, THAT, THAT HOME, I, I TRIED TO REHAB IT AS STUFF AS I COULD. I DID EVERYTHING I COULD TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOME ALSO. UM, IT REQUIRED A LOT OF WORK. I, AT ONE POINT, IT GOT TO THE POINT THAT I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO REPAIR IT. UH, I MANAGED TO GET THROUGH IT. UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WAS DONE. PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE HOUSE WAS REDONE FROM THE OUTSIDE AND THE INSIDE, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, TO SEE THE FRONT VIEW OF THE HOME, THEY ENDED UP HAVING ME. I HAD TO DO, DO THE SAME, UH, STONE. SO WE HAD TO BRING DOWN ALL THE SAME STONE AND PUT HIM BACK UP THERE AND TRY TO, WELL, I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB. IT LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE IT. IT'S JUST THE SAME WORK THAT WAS DONE WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISHER. I, I, I CONCUR, UH, WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS HERE GENERALLY. AND I THINK THE WORK, UM, HAS BEEN DONE, UH, RELATIVELY WELL. I GUESS THE QUESTION, UH, RELATED TO WORK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT AN APPROVAL AND PERHAPS STAFF SOME CLARITY HERE. YEAH, WE'VE RECEIVED AN INQUIRY ABOUT REPLACEMENT OF ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH THE ALUMINUM RECEIVED. UM, SO THESE, THIS TYPE OF WINDOW IS LOCATED HERE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS WELL AS THE REAR. UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING IN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT IS THAT THOSE MAY HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN IN PLACE AT THE TIME HE STARTED HIS OWNERSHIP WITH THE PROJECT. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING, UH, COMPLIANCE CASE, THIS HOUSE WITH MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS KIND OF OVER. UM, SO CAN THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO HOW MUCH OF THE ACTUAL WOOD WINDOWS WERE REMOVED FOR THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WE SEE IN THE PHOTO? YES. UH, IT WAS MAINLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. THE FRONT PART OF THE, THE WINDOWS I WAS ABLE TO REPAIR AND THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT FACED THE STREET, WHICH THEY WERE ALL WOOD WINDOWS. UM, IN THE BOTTOM THERE'S METAL WINDOWS THAT ARE FACING THE STREET ALSO. AND WHAT I DID, I WAS ABLE TO REPAIR THOSE AND I KEPT THEM THE SAME. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THAT I, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO CALL THAT THING ON THE RIGHT SIDE. IT WASN'T EVEN A WINDOW. IT WAS, UH, LIKE A PIECE OF METAL AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN SEE OUTSIDE. IT WAS LIKE A GRID. AND ON THE BACK PORTION WHERE THERE WAS GLASS, UH, WHEN I, I GOT THE PROPERTY, I HAD A, I GOT A LENS FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY, UH, AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS A TREE THAT WAS INSIDE THE HOUSE. SO WE PULLED THAT TREE OUT AND I COULD NOT SAVE THE, THERE SOME GLASS WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE ALSO, BUT THEY DIDN'T LOOK HISTORIC AT ALL. IT LOOKED LIKE SOME MODERN WORK THAT WAS DONE PROBABLY BY ONE OF THE PREVIOUS OWNERS. UH, AND SIMPLY WHAT I DID RIGHT THERE ON THAT AREA, I JUST COVERED IT UP WITH SIDING AND PUT A SMALL SIDING WINDOW OF THE TOP. THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. SO WE HAVE A STIPULATION. WE DO HAVE A STIPULATION THAT WE RECOMMEND ABOUT REMOVING THE PHOTO VITAL LIGHTS. I DO THINK THAT THAT MORE WORK, UM, PRIOR YOUR APPROVAL WAS DONE THAN WE FULLY REALIZED WHEN WE'VE REVIEWED THIS RECENTLY. UM, SO I, IT, IT MAY BE BEST FOR, FOR STAFF TO TABLE THIS ITEM FOR NOW, UM, AND LOOK BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION. OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWERS YOU'VE RECEIVED, , THEN IT'S CERTAINLY ELIGIBLE FOR ACTION TODAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT, ABOUT THIS. I AGREE WITH STAFF, UH, STIMULATIONS. SO I KIND OF, UH, STAND BY THAT AS WELL. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, IF, IF THERE IS WORK THAT ISN'T INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION THAT WAS MISSED BY STAFF, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO BE ADDRESSED WITH AN APPROVAL OF WHAT, UH, WHAT IS APPLIED FOR HERE TODAY? UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT COUNSELOR TO MAKE SURE WE'VE REALLY CAPTURED EVERYTHING AND ALL OF THE REQUESTS. THERE'S ACTUALLY 10 OR SO REQUESTS ON FILE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST ONES THAT WE KIND OF IDENTIFIED WAS OUTSTANDING. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA LOOK AT IT FURTHER AND IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL APPROVALS NEEDED, ACTUALLY THOSE OR HANDLED. OKAY. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED WELL AS PRESENTED TO US WITH THE STIPULATION, RIGHT? SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN. I, UM, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF, STIPULATION THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS [01:55:01] THAT REQUIRE THE APPLICANT REMOVE THE PHONE DIVIDED LIGHTS AND SUBMIT AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW TO STAFF PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. UM, AND THAT'S THE MOTION THIS COMMISSIONER DREW. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA. AYE. GROUP, GROUP. CAN YOU TRY THAT AGAIN? AYE. THANK YOU FETZER. AYE. UM, AND LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 12. UM, EDWARD, [20-4895 Address/Description: 619 DAWSON ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-220 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: anahita moshgbar/Moshgbar Anahita Request: Construction of a 1.5-story, single family residential structure City Council Dist.: 2] DO YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YES, I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 26 19. DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 1.5 STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT OF SIX 19 DAWSON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. ONE THAT A SETBACK THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK. THE USE IS NOTED IN FINDING D TWO THAT THE MASSING THAT THE PROPOSED MASKING FEATURE PROPORTIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING F THREE. THE PROPOSED FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF TWO FEET BE RED THROUGHOUT EACH ELEVATION, AS NOTED ON, ON AS IT IS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION ON EACH SIDE. ELEVATION IS NOTED IN FINDING L AND THAT FENESTRATION BE PROPORTIONATE TO THE OVERALL FACADE AS NOTED IN FINDING M IT'S ALSO A CASE COMMENT IN REGARDS TO A FOUNDATION INSPECTION THAT'S TO BE SCHEDULED AS WELL AS STANDING SCENE ROOF INSPECTION. UM, STAFF WILL NOTE THIS RECOMMENDATION IS THE SAME THAT YOU SAW AT THE LAST HEARING ON AUGUST THE FIFTH. THE APPLICANT ATTENDED THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ON AUGUST THE 12TH, UH, WHERE THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO BE PLACED ON THE NEXT AGENDA. UH, SO YOU'LL BE SEEING UPDATED DOCUMENTS WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND FINDINGS HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THESE DOCUMENTS. UM, ONA, YOU CAN, UH, NOW BEGIN YOUR PRESENTATION. HELLO AGAIN, COMMISSIONER. UH, ONAM MOPAR SPEAKING. UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, OUR HOME DESIGN, UH, FAILED TO ACHIEVE A SIMPLE MAJORITY WITH, UH, UH, FOUR TO FOUR ROLES. AND SINCE THEN, I HAVE REFACTORED THE DESIGN IN A WAY THAT IS MORE PALATABLE FOR THE COMMITTEE. I COMPLETED MY CURRENT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. I'D LIKE TO THANK CHAIRMAN FE AND COMMISSIONER GI MR. HALL FOR HELPING FINALIZE MY DESIGN. TODAY I'M PRESENTING TWO DESIGNS, WHICH CAN BE SEEN ON PAGE 11 AND PAGE 19. DUE TO THE SHORT TIMELINE FOR LAST MEETING, THERE IS NOT AN UPDATED STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UH, MY REQUEST FOR THIS COMMITTEE KINDLY APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ONE OF THE TWO DESIGNS THAT I'M PRESENTING TODAY, CONTINGENT ON A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DESIGN. AS THIS IS MY FOURTH APPEARANCE BEFORE THE HISTORIC, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE, I WOULD URGE YOU PLEASE TO APPROVE ONE OF THE TWO DESIGNS. UH, I HAVE PRESENTED OR ABILITY TO BUILD THIS HOME IS JEOPARDY AT OR BUILDER WILL LIKELY PULL OUT. UM, AND THE LENDING, UH, LIQUIDITY IS DRYING UP. I'M WILLING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE APPROVAL TODAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, WE DO. UM, THE FIRST WAS SUBMITTED BY MONICA ZINO. ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE CRITICAL ISSUE CONSISTENT THROUGH ALL THE HEARINGS WAS THE ENTRY FORM AND THE PROPORTIONS PLUS SCALE RELATED TO ENTRY. THE HOUSE MASSING AND LAYOUT SIDE, A CAREFULLY CONSIDERED ENTRY AND PORCH IS WHAT WILL AMELIORATE THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE AND REDUCE THE IMPACT OF A TWO SMALL FRONT SETBACK BY REMOVING THE WEST SIDE CURB CUT AT THE STREET AND USING OPTION TWO WITH A FRONT LOW SLOPE SHED ROOF AS A GUIDE, THE ENTRY PORCH WILL BEGIN TO FIT IN THE DAWSON BLOCK PHASE. AS STAFF SUGGESTS DETAILED TRIM AND MATERIAL DIMENSION SHOULD MATCH THOSE FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE NEXT COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY 1 0 7. KING WILLIAM CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO FINDS THAT THE PORT'S DESIGN LABELED AS OPTION TWO FOR 6 1 9. DAWSON REPRESENTS A TYPE OF PORTS THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK WE'VE GOT OPTION [02:00:01] TWO ON THE SCREEN THERE. UM, THE THIRD IS FROM ARVIS HOL HOLLAND. UM, THE DIG, EXCUSE ME, THE DIG NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY, UM, RUSH BAR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 1.5 STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. UPON REVIEW, THE H PARK SUPPORTS THE PROJECT THE H PARK WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT ADHERED TO THE O H V STANDARDS IN RELATION TO WINDOWS AND CASING. AVOID WRAPPING CASING INSTEAD OF VISIBLE SILL, UM, ON FRONT EL FRONT ELEVATION WINDOWS. THE H PARK WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICATION BETTER CONTEXTUALIZE THE FRONT DOOR BY REPORTS DETAIL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST HAD AN OBSERVATION. UM, I DIDN'T SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION THE LAST H D R C HEARING, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FRONT PORCH CONFIGURATION AND SCALE. AND, UH, OPTION TWO SEC. UH, CERTAINLY I THINK REMEDIES ALL THE CONCERNS I HAVE AND I'D BE SUP UH, AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION TWO FOR THE FRONT PORCH. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP, JUST TO ALSO SO THAT WE ARE ALL, UH, ALIGNED. SOME OF THE STIPULATION STAFF HAS TO, UH, MAINTAIN, WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, UH, WHEN DOING IN MOTION, ESPECIALLY THE FRONT SETBACK. BUT I AGREE OPTION TWO IS, UH, LOOKING MUCH BETTER. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, UM, I THINK THAT AFTER THE D R C MEETING, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN, IN, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THESE THINGS AROUND IT. I I ACTUALLY AM IN SUPPORT OF IT. UM, BUT I DO HAVE, UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS. UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE READ FROM THE, UM, CONTINUITY HILL, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMENTS THAT THEY MADE THERE? UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO CONFORM WITH THEM OR ARE YOU WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT? UM, I, I'M SORRY. CAN I ASK FOR REPEATING THE COMMENTS? I, UM, I'M AFRAID THAT'S, I DON'T REMEMBER THEM VERY WELL. YEAH, I'M SCANNING 'EM NOW JUST FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC. UM, AS STAFF SUGGESTS DETAILED TRIM AND MATERIAL DIMENSIONS SHOULD MATCH THOSE CLOSELY FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UM, UH, INCLUDE IN OUR STIPULATIONS POTENTIALLY AND INCLUDE WHEN PERMITTING IS DONE. UM, THE H PARK WOULD LIKE THAT THE APPLICANT ADHERE TO STANDARDS IN RELATION TO WINDOWS AND CASING AND AVOID WRAPPING CASING, UM, INSTEAD OF A VISIBLE SILL ON THE FRONT WINDOW ELEVATIONS. UM, SO YES, WE DO ALSO HAVE A STILL DETAIL THAT WE STIPULATIONS THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH THE APPLICANT IF IT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION. I'M SORRY, CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? THAT WHAT A WRAPPING ME. SURE. UM, AND SO TYPICALLY WHEN A, WHEN A WOOD WINDOW IS CONSTRUCTED, HISTORICALLY, IT WOULD'VE HAD A SILL DETAIL THAT IS OFTEN NOT USED IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. A LOT OF TIMES THE SILL. SO THAT'S POTENTIALLY A DETAIL THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN APPROVAL AND WE WOULD SIMPLY MAKE SURE IT'S PROJECT FLOOR. SO, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER GIBBS AGAIN, SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COREY JUST READ AND, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, UM, LISTENING TO WHAT THE, THE TWO COMPETING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAD MENTIONED THERE. UM, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THOSE OR ARE YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION OF WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING AS WELL? UM, UM, CAN I ASK AGAIN, UM, FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF YOUR LAST SENTENCE? SURE. SO DIGNITY WHITTY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS THE DIGNITY WHITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THEY BOTH HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UM, CONCERNING YOUR PROJECT. SO, UM, LOOKING AT THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THEY MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, HOUSE MASSING, UM, ASIDE, UH, CAREFULLY, UM, CONSIDER ENTRY PORCH IS WHAT, UM, WILL MAKE [02:05:01] THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE IMPACT TOO SMALL FOR THE FRONT SETBACKS. UM, BY REMOVING A WEST SIDE CURB CUT AND DOING OPTION TWO WITH A LOW, A FRONT LOW SLOPE, UM, SHED ROOF AS A GUIDE ENTRY PORCH BEGAN TO FIT IN THE DAWSON BLOCK BASE, UM, AS STAFF SUGGESTS DETAILED TRIM MATERIAL DIMENSIONS SHOULD MATCH THOSE FOUND IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND THEN ON THE ITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT, UM, BUT WOULD LIKE APPLICANT TO ADHERE TO OSB STANDARDS IN RELATION TO THE WINDOWS AND CASING, WHICH CORY DID MENTION AND AVOID WRAPPING INSTEAD OF WRAPPING CASING INSTEAD OF THE VISIBLE SS SEAL ON THE FRONT ELEVATION WINDOWS. SO THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE AM AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY? SURE. I, I AGREE TO THE SECOND ONE. UH, BUT ABOUT THE SETBACK AND THE CARE, UM, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS BEFORE IN THE UM, R C MEETING, UM, BECAUSE THE SETBACK IS, UM, LIKE ALMOST I THINK TWO FEET, UM, LIKE MORE THAN THE HOUSES IN THE, UH, ADJACENT HOUSES. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TREE THAT IS IN THE BACK OF THE, UM, BEHIND THE HOUSE THAT WE KIND OF LIKE HAD TO, UM, KIND OF RESPECT THE TERRITORY OF THE TWEET. SO WE, UH, COULD NOT GO MORE FURTHER. AND, UM, I THINK THE, UM, COMMITTEE, UH, ACCEPTED, UM, THIS, UM, COUPLE OF THESE, UH, TO BE KIND OF LIKE UP THE SLIDE WITH THE SETBACK. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES, BUT THERE'S A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE TREE AND THE SETBACK FOR THE TWO NEIGHBORING HOMES. UM, THAT IS ONE OF MY COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT THE, THAT STIPULATION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR, ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION ON THE SITE ELEVATIONS. UH, WAS THIS UPDATED OR IS THAT STILL A CONCERN FOR STAFF? THE STAFF'S COMMENTS HAVE OR THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THESE UPDATES BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE D R C STAFF HAS NOT UPDATED COMMENTS OR FINDINGS OR RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW? YES. MY QUESTION IS, WERE THERE CHANGES TO THE FENESTRATION ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T RECALL THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. YES, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UH, YES, WE REVIEWED, UH, ADDITIONAL WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST FACADES, UH, BASED ON THE PREVIOUS H D R C COMMENTS. AND, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST FACADES PER OUR, UM, PREVIOUS MOTION. AND THEY ARE SHOWN IN THESE SS RENDERINGS, IT'S COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. I COMMEND YOU ON, ON YOUR GYMNASTICS. UM, TRYING TO PLEASE EVERYBODY WITH A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT I THINK IS A VERY HARD THING TO DO. UM, I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE YOU BY SAYING THAT THE DESIGN THAT YOU PRESENTED PREVIOUS TO THIS, UM, IS A, IS A, IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT FROM COMMENTS. I I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, UM, THAT, THAT YOUR PROJECT HAS TO BE OUR PROJECT. UM, BUT, UM, UH, I, I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF, OF, UH, YOU GETTING YOUR APPLICATION THROUGH. AND, UH, JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, UH, WE PERMISSION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS PROJECT, I THINK DEMONSTRATES THE IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION THAT, [02:10:01] THAT WE PUT APPLICANTS INTO. ALSO THE IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UH, BELIEVING THAT THEY HAVE, UH, OR, OR BEING LED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE ULTRA CONTROL OVER A PERSON'S, UH, RIGHT TO DETERMINATION. UH, THOSE COMMENTS WOULD BE COMPLETELY, UH, UH, I I I WOULDN'T MAKE THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT A STRUCTURE THAT EXISTED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHOSE OWNER, UH, UH, NEW, UH, THE TYPE OF, UH, COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE MAKING, BUT WITH AN OPEN PIECE OF PROPERTY, AN EMPTY PIECE OF PROPERTY. UH, THE LAST THING I THINK THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS GETTING IN THE WAY OF FUTURE ARCHITECTURE THAT MIGHT BE PRESERVED TO REMEMBER THE TIME BY. BUT, UH, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF, OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION'S, UH, APPROVAL WOULD BE. AND, UH, BUT, BUT I JUST WANT TO ESPECIALLY COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR BEING SO PATIENT AND SO OPEN-MINDED AND, UH, ON, ON, ON MY OWN BEHALF. I, I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR, FOR THIS EXPERIENCE IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOM. I'M GONNA TRY A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE PRESENTING. UH, WELL OPTION TWO PRESENTED TODAY WITH STIPULATION THREE, AND I GUESS THAT'S, WELL NO, ACTUALLY NONE OF THE STIPULATIONS. UH, OPTION TWO, THE SPACE. OH, WELL, UM, UM, THIS, THIS, THE FOUNDATION INSPECTION SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION OR NOT. IS THAT, UH, FOR THE MOTION? DO YOU NEED THAT? NO, WE WILL DO THAT AS PART OF THE WORKFLOW. SO, UH, AS I WILL MOVE OR APPROVE OPTION TWO AS SECOND, SECOND QUE YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, MAY YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA AYE GROUP? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, APPLICANT FOR, UM, HER PATIENCE AND WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSION IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, UM, EDWARD IS THE CASE MANAGER FOR THE NEXT CASE, SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE HIM A FEW SECONDS TO GET THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. EDWARD, JUST GIMME A THUMBS UP IF YOU'RE READY. IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE ON. UH, OKAY, HE'S READY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, [20-4821 Address/Description: 911 N PINE, 913 N PINE, 915 N PINE, 917 N PINE, HDRC Case No.: 2019-699 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Ricardo Turrubiates/Terramark Request: Construction of a mixed-use development with multiple structures City Council Dist.: 2] H B R C AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 H V R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 9 9 11 9 13, 9 15, AND NINE 17 NORTH PINE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO TWO STORY MIXED USE STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LODGES ADDRESS AS 9 11 9 13 9 15 AND NINE 17 NORTH PINE PUBLIC STREET FRONT OF PUBLIC DRIVE, THAT S ACCESS TO NORTH POND TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION LOCATED AT 9 0 9 NORTH PINE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH YOU STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. MANY OF THESE ITEMS ARE STIPULATIONS OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, [02:15:01] ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES TRADITIONAL ENTRANCE ELEMENTS INTO. THE DESIGN OF EACH UNIT IS NOTED IN FINDING H TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED ROOT FORMS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING CASE THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT ELIMINATE THE CONTEMPORARILY SIZED WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE FRONT, THE SIDES OF BOTH STRUCTURES, AS NOTED IN FINDING IN FOUR AS THE APPLICANT PROPOSED MATERIAL THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT WAS NOTED IN FINDING O AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SAW WINDOWS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND RECONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING P I HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE ON THE LINE, THE APPLICANT THERE. YES. THIS IS CHARLIE TURNER, CAREMARK URBAN HOMES, AND I'M HERE TO, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION OF OUR REQUEST FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, THIS, UH, APPLICATION AND PLAN AND ARE HERE TO, UH, START WITH, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY STAFF AND WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF, UH, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UH, BROUGHT ABOUT, UH, BROUGHT THOSE COMMENTS DOWN FROM ABOUT 11 DOWN TO THESE FIVE, UH, READY TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THOSE SEPARATELY. WE ALSO MET, WHICH HAD A MEETING WITH THE D R C, IN WHICH CASE WE PRESENTED, UH, SOME PLANS TO THEM AND ALSO MADE, UH, TOOK, TOOK THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND INCORPORATED THOSE ALSO INTO THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE NOW SUBMITTED IN THIS, IN THIS FINAL APPLICATION. UH, LET'S START WITH, UH, ITEM I. OKAY. SO IF WE'LL GO TO SLIDE NUMBER FOUR OF THE PRESENTATION. ED. OH, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, WE'RE THERE. UM, THERE'S A DELAY ON YOUR END, SO JUST CONTINUE AND TRUST THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. GOOD. SO YOU'RE ON SLIDE FOUR? WE ARE. OKAY, VERY GOOD. UH, HERE'S OUR RESPONSE, UH, TO THAT AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN THAT REGARDS. UH, THE ENTRY DOOR, UH, THAT WE'VE ADDED IN THIS PLAN, WE'VE ADDED AN ENTRY DOOR INCORPORATING, UH, UH, THE CHANGE FROM BARN DOOR, WHICH SHOWS ON THE LEFT TO A COMMERCIAL ONE LIFE FULL GLASS DOOR, WHICH WE FIND, UH, ALL THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, AND HOUSES AROUND US. WE ALSO, UH, ADDED, UH, AN ENTRY CANOPY, UH, AND METAL COLUMNS TO THE, UH, UH, TO THE ASSEMBLY OF THE ENTRY, UH, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE, UH, FOUND IN THE TERRAMARK OFFICE BUILDING. UH, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO, TO GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 12, YOU COULD SEE THOSE, UH, THAT REPRESENTATION. THIS WAS AN ADDITION THAT WAS DONE. UH, SO IF YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 12, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ON THAT SLIDE THE CANOPY THAT WE, UH, THAT WE, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THAT SLIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS ENTRY ELEMENT TO BE REFERENCED, THAT THE CANOPY THAT WAS ADDED TO IT, UH, TO THE FRONT ENTRY TO KIND OF MAKE THAT FRONT ENTRY, UH, REALLY PRONOUNCED. UH, ADDITIONALLY TO THAT, WE, UH, EXTENDED THE PORCH, UH, ALONG THAT SAME, UH, THAT CANOPY, UH, ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE PRIVATE DRIVE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IF YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE NUMBER FOUR, OKAY, THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT WE, UH, EXTENDED THAT PORCH WITH, WHICH IS AN IDEA THAT CAME OUT FROM THE D R C MEETING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS GREAT. UH, ADDITIONALLY TO ADDING THAT PORCH, UH, AND, AND THE, UH, AND THE EXTENSION OF THE, UH, THE CANOPY. WE ALSO ADDED A SIDEWALK, WHICH NOW COMES FROM THE COMMON DRIVE IN FRONT AND NOW GOES DIRECTLY, UH, TOWARDS THE PORCH AND LINES UP WITH THE, UH, THE DOOR ENTRY. SO I THINK WE'VE, UH, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN THAT MANNER. UH, THAT'S THOMAS, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, OR I, I, UH, AT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, THE STAFF ASKED US TO ACTUALLY, UH, DENOTE THOSE, THOSE HEIGHTS ON THE DRAWINGS, WHICH WE'VE DONE. IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING, UH, THAT'S REFERRED TO AS AFTER WE SHOWED THE, THE, THE HEIGHTS THERE. WE ALSO STAIR STEPPED THE UNITS, UM, MIDWAY, UH, WHERE THE UNITS, UH, ARE, ARE CONNECTED, AND WE DROP THOSE DOWN IN ORDER TO TRY AND MATCH THE, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, UH, TOPOGRAPHY THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, UH, TO LIVE WITH THERE. UH, SO I THINK THE STAFF WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT. WE SHOWED THAT, UH, ON THAT AS WELL. UH, ITEM THREE, THE ROOF FORMS, UH, UH, REGARDING THE SHED ROOF, UH, THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR. SO THE ROOF FORMS OF ALL THAT, OF THE SHEDS, UH, PER UNITS. UH, HOWEVER, AS THE BUILDINGS, THE ROOF FORMS, UH, UH, RESEMBLE THOSE OF A GABLE, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE, THAT THE DRAWING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A, IS, IS A FRONT ELEVATION. AND IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT IF [02:20:01] YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT IN, IN EITHER, UH, IN PERSPECTIVE AND OR, UM, UH, OR IN THE ROOF PLAN, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE, THAT IS NOT A TRUE GABLE THAT MEETS UP WITH EACH OTHER IN, IN ALL THE PLANES. THE, BECAUSE IT STEPS BACK IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE AND EVERYTHING IS, SO I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 19. ED, THE SLIDE NUMBER 18. THIS SHOULD BE CHARLIE. COULD YOU, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHICH, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY SHEET NUMBER THREE OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, LAUREN? IT IS, IT IS. IT'S SLIDE 19, BUT SHEET NUMBER THREE OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THIS SHOWS HOW THE ROOF FORM ACTUALLY, UH, WORKS. AND IF YOU TAKE THAT IN CONTEXT TO THE ELEVATIONS, UH, SO SHOULD BE, OKAY. SO YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT IT. OKAY. SO THE ROOF PLAN SHOWS HOW WE HAVE A SHED ROOF OVER THE ENTRY, UH, BOTH OVER THE PORCH AS WELL AS EVEN THE, UH, THE AREA OF BEHIND THE PIPES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE FACADE AND HOW THAT ROOF FORM, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T HAVE A TRUE GABLE THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY FROM ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE OTHER WITHOUT SOME, UH, UNDULATION, UH, IN THE ROOF ITSELF. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T, DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU LOOK AT, AT THE VERY LAST SLIDE, ED, UH, IF YOU'LL REFER TO THE VERY LAST SLIDE, WE ACTUALLY DID A THREE D UH, PERSPECTIVE OF THAT, BUT SOMEBODY CAN REALLY SEE WHAT IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE AS YOU, THE VERY LAST SLIDE SHOULD BE A THREE D PERSPECTIVE. OH. SO I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS, IS LAG BEHIND YOUR TIME, AND THAT SHOWS YOU KIND OF ON A THREE D, YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVE OF HOW THAT, THAT FORM ACTUALLY DOES NOT BECOME A, JUST A TRUE HIP GABLE ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. OKAY. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL, UH, GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE OF HOW WE HANDLE THE, UH, THE ROOF FORMS. AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ABOUT THE WINDOW, UH, UH, FENESTRATIONS, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, CHANGED ALL THOSE SO THAT ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE REAR OF THE, OF THE UNITS ARE ALL MATCHING, UH, THE CORRECT, UH, UH, FORM, UH, AS WELL. SO MADE THOSE CHANGES. UM, AND WE ALSO ADDRESSED THE WILL. ALL THE WINDOWS WILL BE RECESSED AS REQUESTED BY O H P. WE'LL FOLLOW THOSE STANDARDS OF RECESS WINDOWS LIKE WE'VE, UH, HAD APPROVAL OF BEFORE. AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PROPOSED. UH, THIS IS ALL DONE WITH BOARD AND BATTEN, UH, ON, UH, ON ALL THE SIDES AS, AS WELL AS THE REAR AND THE FRONT WITH THE EXCEPTION, UH, BOARD BATTEN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHERE WE INTRODUCED THE, THE PIPE COLUMNS THAT REFER TO, UH, UH, THAT ARE SHOWN, UH, IN REFERENCE TO OUR BUILDING. UH, THERE. SO, SO I THINK WE'VE, UH, AND THEN WE JUST DID STANDARD SIDING ON THE, ON THE LOWER SECTION AT THE FRONT ENTRY, UH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, SO I THINK WE'VE, UH, UH, SO I THINK THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESSED. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES. UM, THE PLAN IS TO USE THE, THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THE COLOR OF BRONZE THAT, UH, FOLLOWS TO REACH THIS GUIDELINES. UH, THESE WINDOWS ARE IDENTICAL TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED, UH, AND SEE PREVIOUSLY, UH, BEEN APPROVED BY, UH, BY THE COMMISSION. UH, IN FACT ON THE ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTY THERE ON PINE STREET, THESE ARE PICTURES OF THOSE, OF THOSE WINDOWS AND HOW THAT DETAIL ENDED UP BEING FINISHED. SO I THINK WE CERTAINLY ACHIEVED ALL THE, THE, THE GOALS THAT THE COMMISSION OR THE, UH, O H P WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE THROUGH THEIR WINDOW DESIGN CRITERIA. AND WITH THAT, I AM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. YOU GOT ONE MORE, AH, SORRY, NUMBER, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, APPLICANT PROPOSED PARKING LOT. OH, OKAY. ON THE PARKING, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDRESSED VERY EARLY ON. UH, WE CHANGED THAT PARKING THAT THEY WERE OPPOSING TO THE TANDEM PARKING, WHICH WE DID ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE LEFT SIDE OF EACH OF, OF THE UNITS. AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT, AND THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED IN THE H D R C APPROVAL, UH, PREVIOUSLY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. AND THEN THE FINAL, UH, ITEM, UH, ABOUT LOCATING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. WE'VE SHOWN THAT ON THIS DRAWING AS WELL. THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WILL BE IN THE BACKYARD, UH, THREE OF YOU FROM ANYBODY, UH, PLUS YOU'RE IN THE HOUSE OR INSIDE THE YARD. I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THAT. AND WITH THAT, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THEY ASKED US WHERE THE, WHERE THE TANDEM PARKING, UH, BETWEEN THE, THE UNITS CAME TOGETHER. THEY ASKED IF WE COULD SEPARATE THAT BY A LITTLE BIT, AND WE SAID, SURE. SO WE MOVED THAT OVER HER FOOT ON EACH SIDE. SO WE, WE ADDRESSED THAT COMMENT THAT THEY HAD THERE. AND [02:25:01] WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, UH, TO THE COMMISSION. AND, UH, AND I'M SURE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE DO. UM, THE FIRST IS FROM MONICA SABINO. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. NONSUPPORTIVE, THIS PROJECT IS BASED ON ONE PROJECT IS UPDATED AND NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED SINCE ITS DENIAL ON JULY 17TH. AND TWO CONTINUES TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT UNMET STIPULATIONS WITH THE GUIDELINES IN LIMITED CONTEXT. FOR EXAMPLE, CONSIDERING THE HIGH VISIBILITY OF A NORTH PINE STREET MATERIAL CHOICE, MATERIAL CHOICES ARE INAPPROPRIATE AND NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL CARE JUROR IN OUR STORED DISTRICT. ROOF FORMS AND IN AND ENTRY REMAIN INCONGRUENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SETTING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1 0 7 3 MILLION CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO INCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. NINE 11 TO NINE 17 OLD PINE STREET. PROPOSED DESIGN OF THE FOUR NEW UNITS ARE NOT AESTHETICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THE . SPECIFICALLY, THE STEEL PIPING ROOF FORMS AND ADMINISTRATION PATTERNS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE ARVIS HOLLAND. UM, 11TH 12 BURNETT, THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY RICARDO DRE, REMARK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIPLE STRUCTURES. UPON REVIEW, THE H PAR SUPPORTS THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED. H PARK WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICANT'S COMMUNICATION WITH THE H PARK THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING A MEETING WITH H PARK PRIOR TO TODAY'S MEETING. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LIVE CALLER. IF WE CAN UNMUTE HIS PHONE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH NICHOLAS SPIKER. NICHOLAS, ARE YOU THERE? YEP. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, ARVIS HOLLAND IS NO LONGER THE PRESIDENT OF THE D H N A. ALL THESE PHYSICIANS EXPIRED IN MARCH. NO EFFORT WAS MADE TO REPLACE THEM. ANY LETTER INFORMATION FROM D H N A IS CONSIDERED NULL AND VOID AT THIS POINT. JUST WANNA MAKE THE COMMISSION COMPLETELY AWARE OF THAT. ACCORDING TO SUBSECTION F OF THE U D C, IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THE DENIAL OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS RESULTS IN THE APPLICANT HAVING TO WAIT ONE YEAR BEFORE BEING RECONSIDERED. WHY IS THIS BEING RECONSIDERED? THE H D INTERPRETATION OF THE C O A IS THE SAME. YOU CAN ASK THEM. SO WHY IS THIS APPLICATION EVEN BEING REVIEWED? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE CONTINUITY AND RESPECT TO HISTORIC INTEGRITY. HOW DOES THIS PROVIDE CONTINUITY AND RESPECT TO HISTORIC INTEGRITY? MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1894. IS THIS NOT HISTORIC ENOUGH? ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WAS MENTIONED IS NOT JUST MAKING THINGS NICE, CLEAN AND PRETTY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING SINCE LAST NOVEMBER. I'M GONNA REPEAT, THESE HOMES ARE VISIBLE FROM ALL FOUR THROAT FARES. THEY'RE WITHIN FIVE FEET OF MY PROPERTY LINE. I'M LOOKING AT HAVING 2 25 FOOT WALLS WITHIN FIVE FEET OF MY YARD, AND MY HISTORIC STRUCTURES, COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS, LITERALLY WITHIN FIVE FEET OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. HOW IS THAT? OKAY. LOOK AT THE PORCH STRUCTURE ON THE DESIGN PLANS. I DON'T SUPPORT THE ROOF FORM. THE TWO UNITS CREATE A GABLE ROOF SIMILAR TO CHERRY MODERN HOMES. I INCLUDED PHOTOS FOR EDWARD TO PRESENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE UP THERE OR NOT, UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE JUTS THE POSITION BETWEEN, UH, NEW HOMES, THESE NEW HOMES, AND THE MODERN HOMES. IT, IT JUST, AND THE HISTORIC HOMES, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. IT'S LIKE A FLY ON A WEDDING CAKE. HAVING THESE HOMES TOWERING OVER HISTORIC HOMES SETS A POOR PRECEDENT. THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS, THE METAL PIPING, IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL IN DESIGN. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DRAINAGE PLAN. IT STILL PUTS MY PROPERTY AT RISK. AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, THE WINDOWS ARE INAPPROPRIATE. THIS IS TYPICAL FOR TM PROPERTIES. MOST OF THE RESPONSES OF STAFF ARE USING IN THIS DESIGN ARE NON-CONFORMING WORK, NEW CONSTRUCTIONS, OR COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES. IS THIS NOT LOOKED DOWN UPON FOR OCCASIONS? AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS ALL THAT, UH, TERRAMARK CAN DO. I THINK THE DESIGN COULD BE BETTER. I REALLY DO. UM, IF SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE BUILT HERE, I THINK WE SHOULD GET A BETTER PROJECT ON THE TABLE. I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THIS DOES NOT, UH, THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE CONTINUITY IN, IN THE DISTRICT. THAT'S TIME. UM, AND I REALLY, OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I, THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ CO. CORY, CAN YOU GO TO THE, TO THE PICTURE? THAT IS THE, THE SITE, I GUESS IT'S A, IT'S AN AERIAL. IT'S A VERY TELLING DRAWING. UM, I'M LOOKING AT 13 OF 36, I THINK IT IS. OKAY. CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THAT REAL TIGHT TO WHERE YOU GET NONE OF THE WHITE? OKAY. I, OKAY. I'M GETTING IT. KIND OF LIKE A DOUBLED SCREEN, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. YEAH. OH, YEAH. OKAY. [02:30:01] OKAY. NOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. UH, THE, UM, UH, THE, THE PREVIOUS, UH, APPLICANT IS THE SITE OF A VERY HISTORIC EVENT, VERY HISTORIC, AND THERE'S EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT COMMEMORATE OR THAT, THAT ARE PART OF THAT EVENT. PUBLIC SPACE. AND THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY ARE USING PUBLIC DOLLARS. OKAY. IS, SO I DO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN, I, I, I MEAN, I, I, THE REAL QUESTION IS, HOW DID THE TERRAMARK HQ HAPPEN? HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S BECOME KIND OF AN ICON ON PINE STREET. IT'S ODD. IT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ITS OWN THING. BUT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A PARTICULAR OWNER WHO HAS ONE APPLICATION IS COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION ON THE SAME PROPERTY OR IN THE SAME COMPLEX, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT ONE, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ONE, UH, A H D R C, UH, SAW THAT AS ACCEPTABLE THAN ANOTHER H D R C WOULD NOT SEE THE SAME VOCABULARY AS ACCEPTABLE. IT'S JUST ODD TO ME. BUT YOU LOOK AT THE TERRAMARK BUILDING, THE HQ BUILDING, THE BUILDINGS NEXT TO IT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THEY'RE ALREADY BUILT, BUT THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THEY'RE JUST AS ALIEN TO THE TERRAMARK HQ BUILDING THAT WAS THERE. AS CAN BE SAID ABOUT THE OPPOSITE, ALTHOUGH WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED IS NOT AS ALIEN, THEN YOU GO TO NINE 18 NORTH PINE IN THE IMAGE THAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE US, IT, IT IS CLEAR THAT ANYBODY WHO LIVES IN THAT AREA HAS HAD TO MAKE STOP, TAKE STOCK OF THE ARCHITECTURAL VOCABULARY. AND THAT NINE 18 IS UNDER, UH, DEVELOPMENT NOW, AND IT'S DEFINITELY GOING IN ITS OWN DIRECTION. IF ANYBODY'S VISITED, UM, UH, I, I, UH, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE PRESENTER, UH, OF THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING THE PINE STREET STUDIOS IN THE SAME CONTEXT AS THOSE NEW HOUSES IN THE, IN THE, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION PHASE ADJACENT TO THE TERMITE BUILDING. IT'S ALMOST THE SAME, ALMOST THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION GOING ON. UM, SO I, I'D COMMEND THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT FOR, FOR THEM WORKING AS BEST AS THEY COULD, AS BEST AS THEY CAN. I, I, UM, UM, I I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT, UM, THAT BUILDINGS GOT BETTER. UH, UH, THEY'RE DEFINITELY SPEAKING A DIFFERENT VOCABULARY. I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE VERGE OF LEAVING A, A CLEAR RELATIONSHIP TO THE SITE, UH, A VOCABULARY THAT, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED. I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY HESITATE AND RECOMMEND AGAINST PUSHING IT TOO FAR AWAY FROM IT RELATING TO THE BUILDINGS ON THAT SITE. UM, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, THAT WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO WITH SEPARATING THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE FURTHER. UM, AND, UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, BE IN, UH, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS, UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, WE'VE COURSE SEEN THIS PROJECT MANY TIMES, AND WHEN, WITH ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, THE RESIDENT THAT SPOKE LIVE, UM, MR. SPIKER. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CONCERNS AND, UM, THAT HE HAS ABOUT THIS? I MEAN, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THIS IS, I MEAN, HIS HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY. SO HE'S GOING TO BE MOSTLY IMPACT, I MEAN, IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, BY THIS. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO HIS CONCERNS PLEASE? IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME DRAWING I AM, WHICH IS THE AERIAL, UH, THAT, THAT STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE FRONT THAT'S NEXT TO THE, IN THIS AERIAL, WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE IS A COMPLETED BUILDING, A COMPLETED HOME THAT WAS BUILT ON THAT VACANT BROWN STRIP OF LAND IS ALREADY BEEN BUILT. AND THAT SPACE IS PINE STREET. THE UNITS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE IN THE REAR OF WHAT IS HIS [02:35:01] PROPERTY. AND ALL THOSE LITTLE GRAY STRUCTURES YOU'LL SEE ARE ANCILLARY BUILDINGS THAT HE, THAT HE ACTUALLY ADDED TO, UH, TO THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY IN THE BACKYARD OF HIS PROPERTY. SO THOSE ARE THREE OR FOUR ANCILLARY STRUCTURES, SOME OF WHICH HAVE LOW PITCHED ROOFS. THEY HAVE UNUSUAL FRAMED FORMS TO THEM. THEY'RE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING YOU SEE EVEN IN, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM FROM THE STREET. IN FACT, FROM OUR PROPERTY, IF YOU WERE TO GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 12, ED, WE ACTUALLY, THERE ARE LARGE TREES THAT IN FACT ARE BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND HIS PROPERTY. EVEN THOSE BACK LITTLE UNITS THAT IS ALMOST MAKES, HE ALMOST CAN'T SEE THROUGH TO, TO HIS BACKYARD. SO, SO HIS COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE, BUT, BUT WE'RE WAY IN THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY AND IT CERTAIN ISN'T SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE, THE EVERYBODY IN THE STREET AND SEEING FROM THE STREETS AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. AND ALSO WE'VE ADDRESSED THE DRAINAGE AS FAR AS GOING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE. THE CITY WORKS WITH US AND ALL THE DRAINAGE, AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE U D C GOES AS FAR AS DRAINAGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS. IN FACT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS DOING NOTHING BUT IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE THAT CURRENTLY FLOWS FROM OUR EXISTING PARKING LOT ACROSS HIS PROPERTY. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN FOR, SINCE THE HOUSE, SINCE THE DAY HE BUILT HIS, THE HOUSE WAS EVER BUILT. SO WE WERE ACTUALLY REDIRECTING A LARGE MAJORITY OF ALL THAT DRAINAGE OUT TO THE FRONT, UH, TOWARDS US, AS WELL AS INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS SUBSTANTIALLY BY ABOUT 30 OR 40%. THAT DOESN'T EXIST NOW. SO ALL THAT IS NOW GONNA BECOME MUCH MORE PERVIOUS AREA THAN BEFORE. SO, SO WHY HE CONTINUES TO SAY THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'S IT. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS. IT ACTUALLY DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE, THE SLIDE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ME ON THE SCREEN NOW, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE TREE, SO WHAT ACTUAL PICTURE AM I LOOKING AT? BECAUSE I SEE MANY PICTURES HERE. SO WHICH ONE ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE, UM, THE CURRENT PERSON WHO LIVES IN THAT RESIDENCE CAN'T SEE THE BOTTOM? YEAH, THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER THAT IS, IS STARING AT, THAT'S FROM OUR COMMON DRIVE STEERING BACK TO, TO OUR BACK PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. THAT, THAT IS FROM OUR OFFICE BUILDING. WE ACTUALLY WENT ON A SITE VISIT, AND I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBOR. SO WE, I THINK WE WERE LIKE FIVE COMMISSIONER STUFF IN ON A SITE VISIT. AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR. I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I, I TEND TO AGREE THIS IS GOING FAR. THIS IS GOING TOO FAR NOW. IT'S BECOMING A BATTLE. I'M NOT LIKING HOW THIS IS REALLY, UH, MOVING FORWARD. UM, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD MANY TIMES, AND I STAND WITH STAFF THAT MANY OF THE STIPULATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN MET. AND THERE'S WAYS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW TO ANALYZE IF THEY HAVE OR NOT. THAT'S PERSONAL OPINION, BUT THIS IS BECOMING A LITTLE BIT OF A BATTLE HERE. UM, AND I, I FEEL LIKE, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT THAT WOULD AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I AM, I'M IN AGREEMENT HERE AS WELL. SO, UM, IS MR. SPIKER STILL ONLINE? HE, HAS HE BEEN ALREADY BEEN DISCONNECTED? HE HAS, BUT IF YOU, UM, HAVE A QUESTION, WE CAN RECONNECT HIM. PLEASE DO. YES. WE ASSUME YOU'RE DOING THAT. YES. JOHN, CAN STAFF ACTUALLY CLARIFY, IS THIS COMING BEFORE US AGAIN AFTER THE DENIAL? BECAUSE THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, YEAH. SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE'VE, WE HAVE ANOTHER CASE WITH THE SAME ISSUE. UM, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE OTHER CASE WAS A DENIAL FOLLOWING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO OUR CODE, THE SECTION OF CODE THAT REFERENCES THE WAIVER PROCESS AND SUBSEQUENT APPROVALS IS SPECIFIC TO FOLLOWING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO HERE, UM, IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN APPLICATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE LOOK FOR. IT CAN'T BE THE SAME APPLICATION FOLLOWING H C R C, DENIAL, BUT A CHANGED APPLICATION CAN'T BE RESUBMITTED FOR H T R C CONSIDERATION, BUT A CHANGED APPLICATION OR A CHANGE IN DESIGN WITH THE SAME REQUEST. WHAT WAS THE SPECIFIC CHANGE IN THE APPLICATION? IT'S THE SAME REQUEST, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MODIFICATIONS TO THE DESIGN. UM, SO CHARLIE WALKED THROUGH SOME OF THOSE. UM, THE FRONT PORCH ELEMENT, IT WAS A CHANGE. UM, IS, BUT THAT'S HAS TO COME BY, COME BEFORE US AGAIN, RIGHT? THERE'S NO MINIMUM THRESHOLD. UM, BUT AS LONG AS IT IS A REVISED APPLICATION, IT'S ABLE TO BE [02:40:01] CONSIDERED CO. COREY, I HAVE A QUESTION TO SHARE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COREY CO COREY, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC. UM, BUT THE, THE, THE THINGS THAT I'M HEARING ARE MAKING PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE ARE NOT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. W WHY AREN'T THOSE, UM, OPINIONS OR COMMENTS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO HAVE MADE IT TO THE RECOMMENDATION LIST? I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE OF AN IMPORTANCE. UM, ON TASK IS REVIEWING AGAINST THEOR DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT COME UP IN A PUBLIC PROCESS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY SUBJECT TO WHAT STAFF ACCEPT. SO, SO, SO THEN WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IS, UM, MEETING THE U D C AND MEETING THE, THE PRINTED GUIDELINES, THE, THE, THE MINIMAL OR THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CITED ARE IN THE RECOMMENDATION LIST, RIGHT? WE, WE REVIEW AGAINST THE APPLICABLE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS. THAT'S CASE. IT'S THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDE. OKAY. SO, SO THEN, SO THEN WHEN WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDINGS ON THAT SITE THAT, THAT YOU WERE SHOWING THAT WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NEXT TO THE, THE HEADQUARTER BUILDING, THIS ISSUE WOULDN'T HAVE COME UP BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING, UH, JUST LIKE HERE, IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. THE TWO, THERE'S TWO STORY BUILDINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT OTHER BUILDING. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL. AND THE SITUATION, THEY WOULDN'T COME UP BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AGAINST THE GUIDELINES OR AGAINST THE U D C I, I'M ASSUMING. UM, I MEAN ALL, EVERY BUILDING SHOWN ON THAT AERIAL, LIKE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THOSE HAVE ALL COME TO THE COMMISSION PROCESS. UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY ALL OF THEM WERE, WERE EASY. UM, I THINK THAT THERE WERE COMPROMISES ON BOTH ENDS ON ALL OF THOSE, BUT THEY WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS AND OKAY. PORT'S BUILDING WAS AN EXISTING BUILDING, SO THAT, THAT MIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, WE DO HAVE, UM, NICHOLAS SPIKER ON. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU MR. SPIKE FOR COMING BACK. UM, I ASKED FOR YOU TO COME BACK ONLINE BECAUSE WE, IN QUESTIONS, WELL, QUESTION WAS ASKED OF THE DEVELOPER CONCERNING THESE TREES, UM, THAT YOU SAID THAT REALLY SEPARATE THE VIEW OF YOUR PROPERTY FROM, UM, THE PROPOSED PROPERTY. AND SO I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS. SO ONE OF US GONNA BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? YEAH, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M ACTUALLY SITTING OUT HERE RIGHT NOW. UM, THERE IS A SINGLE BLACK WALNUT. IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET IN DIAMETER, YOU KNOW, BUT MY PROPERTY LINE'S ABOUT 200 FEET LONG. SO THERE IS A SINGLE TREE THAT'S TWO AND A HALF FEET IN DIAMETER, BUT UNLESS THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE POSTAL REDWOODS PLANTED HERE, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS TALKING ABOUT. ALSO, I DID NOT BUILD THESE REAR STRUCTURES. THESE REAR STRUCTURES ARE HISTORIC. THEY'VE GOT CLOTH WIRING. THEY, THEY WERE BUILT A LONG TIME AGO. THEY WEREN'T BUILT BY ME. THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING, AND THEY ARE LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PORCH, THE DESIGN OF THE PORCH, THE PORCH IS ON MY PROPERTY LINE. AND BECAUSE THESE ARE ONLY BECAUSE MY REAR STRUCTURES ARE ONLY ONE OF THEM FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THE OTHER ONE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M LOOKING AT HAVING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY REAR STRUCTURES LITERALLY WITHIN FIVE OR SIX FEET OF ONE OF THESE 25 FOOT WALLS AND ANOTHER ONE OF MY REAR STRUCTURES BEING WITHIN EIGHT OR NINE FEET OF ONE OF THESE 25 FOOT WALLS. BUT I MEAN, I CAN SEE CLEARLY THROUGH THE FENCE. THERE'S SOME CORDIAL VINE ON THE FENCE, BUT IT'S NOT SEPARATED. AND IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHARACTER, HOW IT, HOW IT IMPACTS THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S VERY MUCH SO IMPACTS THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY SO MUCH SO THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING LEAVING BECAUSE OF IT. SO I, I JUST HOPE, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT IT IS SUCH A BIG DEAL AND SUCH A SIGNIFICANT DEAL TO US. IT TOTALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF OUR PROPERTY IN OUR EYES. SO, UM, NO, I, I DISAGREE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE STATEMENT THAT IT'S SEPARATED BY TREES. MR. SPIKER. THANK YOU. UM, UM, PUT IT THE, UM, APPLICANT, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BASED ON THAT? 'CAUSE I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS AFTER THAT. YES, [02:45:01] I DO. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE POCHE THAT HE REFERS TO IN THE BACK IS A PATIO. IT'S NOT A COVERED PORT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS, UH, UH, SLIDE NUMBER 15, WHICH IS CALLED SS TWO, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE WOODEN DECK THAT'S PROPOSED THERE, OKAY. IS, IS A, JUST A, A DECK. THE ACTUAL ROOF LINE IS THE DASH LINE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S SITTING, UH, PARTIALLY BACK IN. ABOUT, ABOUT ABOUT A THIRD OF THE DECK IS COVERED WITH THE ROOF LINE OF THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF. THAT'S THAT DASH LINE THAT GOES ACROSS THE, THE, UH, THE WOOD DECK. SO, SO THAT WOOD DECK THAT HE'S REFERRING TO THAT GOES UP TO HIS PROPERTY IS BEHIND THE FENCE THAT'LL EVENTUALLY BE BUILT. IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT LIKE A PORCH STRUCTURE. OKAY. IT'S A, IT'S A PATIO, A WOODEN, THAT PORCH, YOU KNOW, PATIO. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. AND THERE WILL BE A SIX FRONT TO SEE FENCE THERE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SPIKER. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, ALSO, UM, THIS IS FOR, FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS. SO WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING THAT HAPPENS, UM, ON AUGUST 11TH, UM, IS THERE A REPORT FROM THAT? THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WAS AT THAT COMMITTEE MEETING. UM, WHAT WE WAS DISCUSSED, WELL, THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WAS PRESENTED THEN WITH THE APPLICANT'S, UH, RESPONSE TO STAFF COMMENTS. UM, I DID HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UH, ONE BEING THAT THE, UH, THE ROOF OVERHANG ON THE GABLE ENDS, UM, IS NOT TYPICALLY FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. TYPICALLY, THERE IS AN OVERHANG OF A, OF A SLOPED ROOF, UH, SO THAT THE, UH, YOU DON'T JUST HAVE A, UH, RIGHT ANGLE BETWEEN THE WALL AND THE ROOF. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UM, THE PORCH ROOF, UM, CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL IN, IN SCALE OR A FEEL WITH A, UH, SLOPED OR A PITCHED ROOF. UM, BUT, UM, I THINK THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN BACK QUITE A FEW TIMES. WE'VE MET WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES ON DRCS AND IN H D R C AND THE, UM, I KNOW MY CONCERN WAS HAVING THE, UH, MORE RESIDENTIAL, UH, WINDOWS AND MATERIALS AND FEEL ON THE, UM, NORTHEAST AND, AND WEST SIDES, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY'VE MET. AND THEN HAVING, UH, ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE RELATE MORE TO THE, UH, COMMERCIAL FACILITY THAT IS, UM, HAS A SHARED PARKING LOT, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY'VE DONE HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I'D LIKE TO, IF, IF MR. BIKER'S ON THE PHONE, I'D LIKE TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF HE'S STILL THERE. IS CHAIR, I'M HERE. MR. VELAZQUEZ. OKAY. I, I JUST WANNA GET, UM, A, AN A KINDA AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE. SO I WANNA ASK YOU JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE AS IT IS AND AS IT'S PRESENTED, WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE IF IT WAS, UH, ONE DUPLEX AND ONE SINGLE DWELLING TO YOU? SO, OKAY. UH, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND WE'RE TALKING I'M IDEAL. NO, I'M GONNA ASK YOU, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS. UH, THEY'RE GENERICS BECAUSE, BUT THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE APPLICANT, UH, OR TO, TO ANYBODY WHO'S TRYING TO IMAGINE WHERE TO GO FROM HERE. UH, IT, IF, IF IT WAS ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND ONE SINGLE SEPARATED, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T COMPLICATE IT BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR MAIN OBJECTION IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. YOUR MAIN OBJECTION IS THE DENSITY, THE MASSING, WHAT IT CREATES, BECAUSE IF IT'S STILL WATER, RIGHT? SO [02:50:01] WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS TO HAVE A HOUSE, TO HAVE THE HOUSE IN THE FRONT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT 9 9 0 9 NORTH PINE. IT WASN'T PICTURED THERE IN THE AERIAL, BUT IT HAS BEEN BUILT. IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT'S EXISTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT SHOULD BE BEHIND THAT IS A SINGLE BACK HOUSE OR GARAGE. OKAY. I, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FROM THE BEGINNING. IT SHOULD BE A SINGLE BACK HOUSE OR GARAGE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE? THERE NEEDS TO BE A PARKING LOT THERE, TERRAMARK NEEDS A PARKING LOT. WHY ISN'T IT JUST A PARKING LOT? THERE'S 18 HOMES COMING IN IN THE REAR. IDEALLY IT WOULD BE A SINGLE STRUCTURE, A SINGLE GARAGE, OR A PARKING LOT. THERE'S SO MANY VEHICLES AND TRUCKS PARKED THERE ALL THE TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NICE WELL-GROOMED PARKING LOT. I I, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. I I WAS GONNA ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT THAT, THAT KIND OF THROWS 'EM OUT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT YOU DON'T WANNA SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN THERE. NOW, I'M NOT, I SEE A NICE DESIGN PROJECT. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I I'M JUST TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH THE FACT THAT, THAT THIS APPLICANT, BUT, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION BEFORE US, RIGHT? THAT APPLICATION HAS RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF RIGHT NOW, IT JUST WITHIN THE LOGIC OF THIS, THERE WERE DRCS, WHICH MEANS THAT THE COMMENTS ARE, UM, GUIDELINES. THE D R C KIND OF LEGITIMIZES THE, THE, THE, UM, DISCREPANCIES AND THE WEIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE WEIGHT OF THE RED OF THE NEIGHBOR. THEY, THEY WEIGH HEAVILY ON WHAT IS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? THEY DO. NOW, THE, THE NEIGHBOR WEIGHS HEAVILY, HEAVILY ON THIS. NOW, THE NEIGHBOR SAYS THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN THERE. THE APPLICANT HAS AN APPLICATION, THERE'S A CONSTRUCT THAT'S GONE UP. AND JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE 90 DEGREE ANGLE, OH, AND THE OVERHANG, THERE'S A BRICK BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAS THAT 90 DEGREE TURN EXISTING. I, I, I, AND, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE VAST MAJORITY IS GONNA HAVE A ROOFIE, BUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ALL THE KIT OF PARTS IN THAT AREA, THAT FORM THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE, OF, OF THE, OF THE, OF WHAT BECOMES AN ARCHITECTURAL DIALOGUE, RIGHT, IS A MATTER OF OPINION. BUT IT'S THE, THOSE KIT, THOSE PARTS ARE THERE. SO THIS PERSON IS, IS, IS DOING SOMETHING, USING WHATEVER KITS OF PARTS OF THE AESTHETICS ARE A MATTER OF OPINION. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS CREATING A DENSITY THAT IT'S ONE BUILDING, WELL, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS A, AN APPLICANT THAT KNEW THAT THEY COULD GO AWAY SAYING, WELL, WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ONE RESIDENT. IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO GO AWAY AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO TWO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS THERE. BUT THE MESSAGE THAT'S SENT ACROSS HERE IS THAT THE APPLICANT MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO AWAY AND THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY AND WILL NOT, AND, UH, A DENIAL REALLY FOLLOWS THAT BECAUSE THE DENIAL DOESN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CONCERNS OF THE APPLICANT HAVE ALREADY BEEN KIND OF, KIND OF DISCUSSED. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND THE, THE ULTIMATUM FROM THE APPLICANT THAT'S TALKING ABOUT BEING FIVE FEET AWAY AND ALL THAT IS, IS REALLY, IS REALLY JUST TOLD US THAT DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN THERE. I I, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS LOGIC BECAUSE IF THE PROBLEM IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE FENCE AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WOULD, WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT TWO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE? WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE? IF WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING THE PEOPLE THERE SAY, YOU CAN'T HAVE NOTHING THERE. UH, SO I, I JUST WANT TO IMPRESS UPON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT, THE, THE REST, THE NEIGHBOR, AND THIS COMMISSION THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE. AND THE FACT THAT ALL IT TAKES IS A VOTE TO GET IT OFF THE TABLE. IT, IT JUST, IT JUST, UH, VERY CONFUSING, VERY CONFUSING. EITHER, EITHER THEY CAN OR THEY CAN'T. AND I WOULD THINK THAT IF THEY COULDN'T, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME, UH, SOME LAW THAT SAYS THAT, THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY, THOUGH. WELL, THE, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN PLOTTED WITH FOUR LOTS I D Z, WHICH MEANS ZERO [02:55:01] LOT LINES SO THAT WE CAN, BUT THE TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER TO MAKE ONE, UH, THE SETBACKS ARE DICTATED BY, UH, U D C, UM, THE DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, REVIEW BY THE CITY, THAT'S ALL DONE THERE. UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS EVERY RIGHT TO, UH, PROPOSE FOUR STRUCTURES ON THESE FOUR LOTS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I, I HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED IN A D R C RECENTLY, BUT, BUT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, AND I'M SURE THAT THE PROCESS THROUGH ZONING AND THROUGH COUNCIL, UH, TO TRANSFORM THIS ONCE COMMERCIAL LOT INTO A MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE, UH, PROPERTY PLAYS INTO THE CONFIGURATION OF THESE FOUR PARCELS HERE. AND THE ONE, UM, THAT FACES PINE. UM, GENERALLY I, I FIND THIS PROJECT APPROPRIATE AS, AS SUBMITTED. AND, UM, I THINK THAT THE LOW SLOPED ROOF FORMS GENERALLY ARE FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT SEEMS LIKE THE MASSING IS GENERALLY APPROPRIATE, AND I FIND THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GENERALLY RESPONDING TO THE MATERIALS. SO, UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MOST PRODUCTIVE IF THERE'S A MOTION MADE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. IF THAT MOTION FAILS, WE CAN TAKE THE OPPOSITE MOTION UP. SO I, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION FIVE ARIOLA. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES. AYE. GIBBS, NAY, VELAZQUEZ, AYE. OLA, AYE. RUDE. NAY BET, SIR. AYE, LA NAYYY, THAT'S FOUR TO THREE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. UM, THIS, GO AHEAD, COREY. QUICKLY, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT. I SHOULD HAVE MADE THIS EARLIER WHEN WE STARTED THE INDIVIDUAL CASES, BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO NEW CASES. UM, SO JUST A FEW UPDATES. YOU CAN SEE ITEM 16 HAS BEEN POSTPONED WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, ITEM 19, 5 1 5 DAYS HAS ALSO BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE HAVE A FEW COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO READ, BUT THOSE CAN BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT, UH, HEARING THAT'S SCHEDULED. UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS ITEM 21, 5 0 7 DONALDSON, THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO THAT WILL NOT READ. UH, COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR, YOU ARE MUTED THIS TIME SINCE WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR THREE HOURS. UH, I BEGGED THE PATIENCE OF THE, UH, APPLICANTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL A SHORT RECESS RECONVENE IN AS SOON AS WE CAN, FIVE TO 10 MINUTES. ALRIGHT? ALL RIGHT. OKAY, WE HAVE RECONVENED, UM, JUST WANNA DRAW EVERYONE, EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UM, THE THREE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED THE SCREEN HAVE BEEN POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. THAT'S ITEM 1619. SO WE'RE READY FOR ITEM 14. [20-4862 Address/Description: 435 MISSION ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-323 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Nicholas Melde/Architexas Request: Request for review of contributing status with new construction City Council Dist.: 1] ONE QUESTION TO THE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC. UH, WE WILL BE COMMISSION WILL ATTEMPT TO GET THROUGH ALL THE REMAINING CASES THIS EVENING. IF SOME CASES GET BOGGED DOWN IN DISCUSSION, WE MAY BE, UH, CONTINUING THEM TO THE NEXT, UH, COMMISSION MEETING SO THAT WE CAN, UH, HOPEFULLY GET THROUGH ALL OF THE CASES. AND, UM, I BEG EVERYONE'S, UH, PATIENCE. THANK YOU. OKAY, RACHEL, WE'RE READY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 3 2 3 4 3 5 MISSION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING REVIEW FOR DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING CIRCA 19 57 19 58 HOUSE LOCATED AT 4 35 MISSION STREET, REQUIRING THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS, A, A DETERMINATION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE AT 4 35 MISSION STREET, AND B, CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OF A NEW TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND A NEW TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO ACTION ITEM A STAFF HAS REFERRED A DETERMINATION OF A DETERMINATION TO THE H D R C REGARDING NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AT 4 35 MISSION STREET. IF APPROVED, THEN A DEMOLITION PERMIT MAY BE ISSUED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY THE O H P STAFF IN ACCORDANCE WITH U D C 35 DASH SIX 19 [03:00:01] RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO ACTION ITEM B, IF THE DETERMINATION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE AT 4 35 MISSION STREET IS APPROVED, THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASES THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD SETBACK BASED ON FINDING F TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS INFORMATION REGARDING LOT COVERAGE BASED ON FINDING I THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDING J FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING K THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARDS. WINDOW STIPULATIONS FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING N AND SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING Q AND THE APPLICANT. NICK MELDY IS ON THE LINE. NICK, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, DO YOU HAVE YOUR LIVE STREAM VOLUME ON AT THE MOMENT? I DO NOT. IT'S MUTED. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. GO RIGHT AHEAD. OKAY. UM, YES, AS, UH, RACHEL MENTIONED, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, DEMOLISH THE, UM, EXISTING, UH, LATE FIFTIES, UH, RANCH, UH, HOME HERE, UH, AT 4 35 MISSION. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BASED ON, UH, ITS, UH, ITS SORT OF SUBURBAN, UH, UH, SITE PLAN AND, UH, UH, AND, AND, AND ITS, UM, MATSON COMPARED TO THE, UM, HOMES, UH, UH, THE, THE PREVALENT, UH, VICTORIAN CRAFTSMAN HOMES THAT ARE FOUND IN THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, IT HAS A, UM, UH, A 20 FOOT WIDE, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY, TWO CAR, FRONT FACING GARAGE, UM, VERY TINY FRONT PORCH, UM, AGAIN, HORIZONTAL MASSING, UM, LOW SLOW TIPPED ROOF, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS. ALL, ALL ARE ITEMS THAT, UM, ARE NOT ONLY NOT FOUND, YOU KNOW, PREVALENT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT, UM, TYPICALLY ADVOCATED AGAINST, UM, IN, UH, IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND SO, UM, WE, UH, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE, UH, THAT THIS BUILDING IS, IS FOUND NON-CONTRIBUTING. UM, AND, AND WE'VE, UH, MET WITH, I'VE MET WITH THE, UH, KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION TOO, AND, AND, AND THEY AGREE, UM, WITH, UH, WITH OUR PROPOSAL, UM, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, WOULD, UM, FAVOR THE, UH, MASSING AND SITE PLAN AND, UH, UH, RELATIONSHIP TO THE, UH, UH, TO THE, UH, PREVAILING, UH, SURROUNDING COMPLEX, UM, EXCUSE ME, MR. MELDY? YES. UH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UH, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, DISCUSS AND ACT ON, UH, ITEM A FIRST BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION OF YOUR PROPOSAL. OKAY. IS, IS IT NOT RELATED TO THE PROPOSED, JUST, JUST AS A, AS, AS A QUESTION, IS THE, THE DEMOLITION, UM, APPRO OR THE DEMOLITION, UH, UH, UH, DETERMINATION? UM, IS THAT NOT, UM, UH, ALSO CONTINGENT ON THE PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE? NOT NECESSARILY. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE, UM, FOR DISCUSSION. UM, WHICH COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES A MOTION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS AND SUBSEQUENT DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AT 4 35 MISSION STREET. WE CONCUR WITH O B'S FINDINGS IN JANUARY OF 19 THAT THIS HOUSE MEETS AT LEAST THREE CRITERIA FOR AND ONLY DOES THE STRUCTURE REPRESENT THE RENEWED INTEREST IN DEVELOPMENT OF . LATE 1940S AND FIFTIES WAS ALSO THE HOME OF MR. ALBERT PINO SR. THE FIRST MEXICAN AMERICAN BEAR COUNTY COMMISSIONER, AND A FEW LAWYERS IN SAN ANTONIO THAT SPOKE SPANISH AT THAT TIME. UM, THIS FINE EXAMPLE OF MID-CENTURY HOUSING REMAINS REMARKABLY ATTACKED, ATTACKED, AND SHOULD BE PRESERVED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DISTRICT. THEN I BELIEVE YOU ALSO HAVE A LETTER IN FROM THE KING ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. AND, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, SO NORMALLY WHEN A DEMOLITION OF THE LANDMARK COMES TO YOU, WE'LL LOOK FOR BURDEN OF PROOF OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, A LOSS, AND THIS IS NOT THE CASE HERE. UM, THERE IS A PATH THAT SOMEBODY CAN REQUEST A NONCONTRIBUTING STATUS DETERMINATION FROM STAFF. UM, IF A, IF A STRUCTURE IS DETERMINED BY STAFF OR THE COMMISSION TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING, THEN IT CAN BE A DEMOLITION PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT REQUIRING STUDENT APPROVAL. UM, SO THAT IS SORT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE. UM, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS DETERMINATION. [03:05:01] UM, WE HAVE DONE A REVIEW, UM, FOLLOWING THAT REVIEW, WE ARE ASKING YOU ALL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. UM, THERE IS, SINCE THERE IS ON THIS PROPERTY PROPOSAL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED THOSE BOTH IN THE SAME ITEM SO THAT YOU CAN REVIEW THEM ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER. UM, BUT AGAIN, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, CHAIRMAN, UM, APPROVAL OF THE NON CONTINUING STATUS DETERMINATION WILL BE BID IN ORDER TO CONSIDER THE REPLACEMENT. OTHERWISE, IT'LL NEED TO COME BACK AS DEMOLITION OF A LANDLORD, WHICH REQUIRES THE HARDSHIP ARCHITECTURE. DID WAS THE KING WILLIAM LETTER READ? UM, AS THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY LETTER WAS, UM, IT WAS NOT SUBMITTED, UM, IN THE FORMAT TO BE READ, BUT THE LETTER HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE THE LETTER IN OUR FILE. GO AHEAD MS. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, ONE, ONE CLARIFICATION THOUGH. UM, IN THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S LETTER, THEY SAID THAT THIS WAS THE HOUSE OF THE, UH, OF A ONE TIME, UH, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND I, I BELIEVE FROM THE REPORT, UM, IT READS THAT, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE COMMISSIONER'S, I, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE OWNER'S SON WHO WAS COMMISSIONER, IS THAT CORRECT? CAN STAFF CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? IT WAS THE OWNER'S, UH, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIR, IT WAS THE OWNER'S SON, ALBERT A. PENA JR. THE FIRST COUNTY COMMISSIONER, UM, AFFILIATED WITH THE KENNEDYS AND A VERY PROMINENT CHICANO LEADER IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THROUGHOUT BEAR COUNTY, HIS FATHER WAS HIS MENTOR LAWYER. THAT'S CORRECT. WELL, I'M A, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONE ON THE D R C LAST WEEK FOR THIS CASE, AND, UH, AT THAT TIME I HAD NOT MADE UP MY MIND ABOUT CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING. UM, BUT SINCE THEN I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND, UM, I, EVEN THOUGH I AGREE THAT IT IS NOT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHER HOMES IN THIS DISTRICT, UH, I THINK IT DOES SPEAK TO A TIME OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WENT ON IN THE DISTRICT. AND, UH, SO I WOULD, UM, SUPPORT KEEPING THE CONTRIBUTING, UH, NATURE FOR THE STRUCTURE. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I GUESS I'LL TAKE, UH, THE OPPOSITE POSITION. I AND I, UH, CONCUR WITH MAKING THE ASSOCIATION LETTER AND, UH, SUPPORT A NON, A NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS CASE FURTHER OR IF WE SHOULD TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM A. WHY DON'T YOU, UH, MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT. UM, MOVE FOR DETERMINATION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS FOR 4 35 MISSION, THIS COMMISSIONER GROOVE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES, MR. AYE, MR. CHAIR? MR. CHAIR, THIS IS VELASQUEZ. I'M SORRY, I WAS ON MUTE, BUT I I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS. SURE. OKAY. I, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO ECHO COMMISSIONER'S, UH, AND CHAIRMAN'S, UH, COMMENTS. UM, IT, IT, IT IS CONTRIBUTING, IT, IT DOES SPEAK OF A TIME AND THE REMOVAL OF IT DOESN'T, DOES IT MAKE IT NOT BEING A CONTRIBUTING ARCHITECTURAL, UH, PIECE? UM, YOU KNOW, TRUE. IT, IT IS, UM, A, A STATEMENT OF, OF THE ERA AND THE CHANGING TECHNOLOGY AND ARCHITECTURE. UH, THE APPLICANT MADE A COMMENT THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. HE SAID, THE, THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DISCOURAGED IN THE AREA, WHEN IN REALITY ELEMENTS ARE NOT DISCOURAGED, THEY EITHER SPEAK TO THE VOCABULARY OR THEY DON'T. THIS ONE CREATES, UH, A VOCABULARY AND IT, AND IT FILLS THE ARCHITECTURAL KIT OF PARTS WITH, WITH THE ABILITY TO USE THAT VOCABULARY, REMOVING IT, UH, UH, CREATES A LIE. IT ALMOST ENCOURAGES A DISNEYLAND ISH, UM, UM, REALITY. I THINK THAT IT'S A STRONG CONTRIBUTOR AND, AND I, I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO MAY, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE FISH? AYE. BBS? AYE. [03:10:02] VELAZQUEZ. NAYYY. OLA. AYE. RUB. AYE. BE NAYYY, HON. AYE, IT'S FIVE TO TWO. SO MOTION CARRIES. SO NOW WE'LL LOOK AT THE PROPOSED, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. SO, MR. UH, MEL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, DESCRIBE YOUR, UH, PROPOSAL? SURE. SO THE, UM, PROPOSAL, UH, IS, UH, FOR A, UM, TWO STORY, UH, UH, MAIN HOUSE AND A, AND A AND ALSO A TWO STORY ACCESSORY, UM, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, IN, IN THE REAR. THE, UH, THE MAIN HOUSE IS, UM, UH, IS BASED ON A TRADITIONAL, UM, T-SHAPED, UM, FLOOR PLAN, UM, FOUND, UH, VERY, VERY COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND, UH, AND, AND REPRESENTS A, A, A BROAD FRONT PORCH, UM, UH, TUCKED INTO A, UH, PROTRUDING, UH, GABLE END THAT FACES THE STREET. UM, AGAIN, THE TRADITIONAL FORMS FOUND IN, FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE, THE, UH, UH, WHILE WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO, UH, COPY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE, UH, TRADITIONAL FORMS FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE, WE, WE DID, UM, FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BAY WINDOW IS, IS A PREVAILING, UM, COMPONENT, BUT WE, UM, I I THINK KIND OF REIMAGINED IT HERE AS A, UH, UH, UM, AS A CANTILEVER, UH, TWO STORY BAY WINDOW. UM, AND, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, KIND OF BREAKS UP, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THE MASSING ON, ON THE FRONT. UM, ON THE FRONT FACADE, UM, THE, UH, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING A, A, A, UH, BRICK, UM, UH, BRICK VERMEER AND, UM, AND, UH, A WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE. UM, AND, UH, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY COMPLY WITH, UM, UH, DISTRICT GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION HERE. UM, ALL APPROPRIATE WINDOWS, DOORS, UM, AND, AND MATERIALS BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, DISCUSSION TODAY AS WELL. OF COURSE. UM, THE, UH, THE ROOF PITCH, UM, IS, IS ALSO ONE, UH, UH, THAT'S FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S, UM, UH, IT'S 12 ON 12, UM, AND, UH, AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A STANDING SCENE, UH, ROOF ON IT. UM, THE, UH, THE SIDING, UH, I, I'M, UH, COMPONENT, UH, IS, IS KIND OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE SINGLE STORY HOME THAT'S NEXT, THAT'S NEXT DOOR ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT WOULD BE TO THE LEFT. AND SO, UH, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS, UM, PUT A SIDE YARD THERE BECAUSE IT IS A DOUBLE, UM, A DOUBLE WIDE LOT OR A, A, UH, A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE LOT. UM, THAT'S, THAT IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, CERTAINLY ON THIS BLOCK, UH, WE, WE CHOSE TO, UM, UH, SET THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE NEW TWO STORY HOUSE BACK FROM THE, UH, FROM THAT SINGLE STORY AND CLOSER TO THE TWO STORY HOUSE THAT'S EXISTING NEXT DOOR, UM, TO TRY TO, UM, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER, UM, UH, TO NEXT DOOR. AND YEAH, THERE, UM, SO THE, UH, UH, VIDEO FEEDS A LITTLE BEHIND, SO I, I'M JUST NOW SEEING THE SITE PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, COME UP. SO, UM, AND SO, SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE, I GUESS THE SITE, THAT'S HOW THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LAYS OUT IN, IN OUR THOUGHTS ON, UM, ON, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW IT LAYS OUT ON, UM, WITH THE TWO STORY MASS. AND THERE, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, DECIDED TO, UH, PUSH THE, UH, DRIVEWAY TO THE NORTH SIDE, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, UH, JUST TO FURTHER, UH, UH, ESTABLISH THAT, THAT SIDE YARD WHERE, UM, THIS, UM, FAMILY IS PLANNING ON HAVING, UH, HAVING THEIR KIDS PLAY, UM, AS, AS OPPOSED TO, UM, YOU DOING A MORE, UM, UH, OR, OR BROAD FRONT, YOU KNOW, TO THE, UH, TO MISSION STREET. UM, AND THEN, UH, WE, WE HAVE A, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN A GARAGE, WE HAVE A CARPORT, UM, AND, UH, THAT SEPARATES THE MAIN HOUSE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN, UM, A COUPLE OTHER SPOTS AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY FOR, UM, FOR TWO MORE CARS. UM, WELL, THE, UM, OCCUPANTS ARE ALSO, UH, ARE, ARE PLANNING TO HAVE A, UH, FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, [03:15:01] PLANNING A, UH, UH, A GUEST HOUSE ESSENTIALLY ON TOP, A A, AN APARTMENT ON TOP THAT WOULD BE USED FOR AS AN N LTT SUITE. AND THEN A, UH, A MULTIPURPOSE, UM, UH, ROOM ON THE, ON THE, UM, FIRST FLOOR FOR, UM, EXERCISE, GYM, UH, OR RECREATION PURPOSES. UM, THE, UH, THE SETBACKS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE SENSITIVE TO, UH, TO THE CONTEXT HERE. UM, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT IS, UM, I BELIEVE, BELIEVE, LET ME, UH, IT WAS A 21, UH, IT'S A 12 FOOT SETBACK TO THE FRONT PORCH, UM, AND THEN A 21 FOOT SET FOOT SETBACK, 21 TO 28, UH, FOOT SETBACK FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE BECAUSE THIS HOUSE, UH, OR BECAUSE THE STREET, UH, OR THE HOUSES ARE ORIENTED AT AN ANGLE TO THE STREET, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE, UH, THE VARIATION IN, UH, SETBACK. SO THE, SO THE SETBACK FOR, AGAIN, FOR THE MAIN BUILDING, IT'S 20 BETWEEN 21 FEET AND 28 FEET. UM, AND, UH, THE AVERAGE SETBACK, UM, FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE MAIN, UH, HOUSE MASSES, UH, UH, UH, WITHOUT THE FRONT PORCH IS ABOUT 21 FEET. AND WITH THE FRONT PORCH IS ABOUT 12, 10 TO 12 FEET, UM, ON THE STREET. SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ABOUT A FOOT BETTER , YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY, UM, UM, OPEN TO INCREASINGLY SETBACKS AND HAVE THE ROOM TO DO THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, UH, I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I, WE WANT TO KEEP IT THERE AND, AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO STAFF OR, UH, UM, I'M SORRY, COMMISSION DISCUSSION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I THINK THE SITE PLAN IS PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATE. UH, I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE AREN'T MULTIPLE PRIMARY STRUCTURES BEING WIDE LOT. UM, DO YOU QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, DID YOU HAVE TIME TO REVIEW AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH STAFF STIPULATION REGARDING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION? UH, DO DO I HAVE ANY, I'M SORRY. DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT STAFF STIPULATION? YEAH, DO YOU ACCEPT STAFF STIPULATIONS OR DO YOU TAKE ISSUE WITH ANY OF THEM? AB ABSOLUTELY. I, I ACCEPT ALL STIPULATIONS FROM THE STAFF. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. UH, AND IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS, I, I CERTAINLY DON'T MEAN TO CUT ANYBODY OFF, BUT, UH, I WOULD MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, MAY I OFFER A, UH, AN AMENDMENT OR A SUGGESTION THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT COME BACK TO THE D R C AS THE PLAN IS, AS THE DRAWINGS ARE DEVELOPED, SO THAT WE CAN SEE OVERALL BUILDING HEIGHTS IN RELATION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND, UH, HIS PROPOSAL FOR THE, UH, REVISED SETBACK AMENDED. IF SO, AGREE YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES. AYE. S AYE. VELASQUEZ ABSTAIN AREOLA. SORRY, MY FINGERS ARE WET. UH, UH, AYE. GROUP? AYE UH, FETZER? AYE. LAO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND NEXUS, ITEM 15, [20-4867 Address/Description: 326 RIVERSIDE DR HDRC Case No.: 2020-242 Historic District Name: Mission RIO District: RIO-5 Applicant: Patrick Christensen Request: Demolition with new construction City Council Dist.: 3] EDWARD, ARE YOU AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 42 3 26 RIVERSIDE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE LOTTED. 3 26 RIVERSIDE NOTED WITHIN THIS APPLICATION IS STRUCTURE THREE LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT FIVE. ITEM TWO DEMOLISH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE LOTTED 3 26 RIVERSIDE NOTED WITHIN THIS APPLICATION IS STRUCTURE FOUR LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT FIVE AND ITEM THREE, CONSTRUCT 26 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, DEMOLITION OF STRUCTURE THREE. AS THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION AND PROVEN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS REHABILITATED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION OF STRUCTURE. FOUR. AS THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION TO PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, STAFF [03:20:01] RECOMMENDS THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS REHABILITATED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF 26 RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES BASED ON FINDINGS THREE. A THROUGH THREE Q STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT USE SETBACKS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS THE U D C SECTION 35 6 73 IN REGARDS TO BOTH STREET AND RIVERSIDE SETBACKS AS NOTED IN FINDING THREE FINDINGS THREE C AND THREE D TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED APPROPRIATE ROOF AND FACADE MASKING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING THREE. E THREE THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES TRADITIONAL ENTRANCE ELEMENTS AND PORCH MASKING IS NOTED IN FINDING FINDINGS THREE F AND THREE J FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING THREE G FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED APPROPRIATE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. AS NOTED IN FINDING THREE I SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING THREE L SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT USE WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING THREE M AND FOUND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, UH, EIGHT, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS AS NOTED IN FINDING THREE OH AND NINE THAT THE APPLICANT ELIMINATE THE FRONT LOADED PARKING AND PROPOSED PARKING. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IS NOTED IN FINDING THREE P. I HAVE PATRICK CHRISTENSEN HERE, THE APPLICANT. PATRICK, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. I'M SORRY. I WOULDN'T GENERALIZE. IT WAS MY TURN. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. UH, MY, MY CLIENT'S PRIMARY GOAL TONIGHT IS TO DISCUSS THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. I SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN AND ELEVATIONS, UH, JUST SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS SITE. EVENTUALLY, THAT'S KIND OF A WISHLIST OF A, IN A PERFECT WORLD, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO. WE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT, CAN I ASK THAT TO MOVE TO SLIDE NUMBER 30? WE ARE ON THAT SLIDE NOW. THANK YOU. JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, SO MY, MY CLIENT HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR PROBABLY SIX MONTHS. IT WAS FOR SALE FOR OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE HE PURCHASED IT. IT WAS A MOBILE HOME PARK AND HAD BEEN A MOBILE HOME PARK FOR DECADES. WE HAD ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR DEMOLITION OF ALL FOUR OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE. SLIDE ONE WAS ORIGINALLY A HOUSE, LOOKS LIKE IT WAS LAST, A DUPLEX STRUCTURE. NUMBER TWO WAS A A TWO STORY GARAGE. THREE WAS SOME SORT OF AN OUTBUILDING AS PART OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK, AND FOUR WAS MAYBE A STORE AS, AS PART OF THE, THE MOBILE HOME PARK. SO AFTER A D R C HEARING WHERE A FEW OF THE D THE H D R C MEMBERS HAD ACTUALLY DONE A SITE VISIT, WE DECIDED TO AMEND OUR APPLICATION TO KEEP STRUCTURES ONE AND TWO. SO WE WERE ONLY REQUESTING DEMOLITION OF STRUCTURES THREE AND FOUR. AND SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, CORY, THAT IS OUR PERFECT WORLD SITE PLAN. UM, WE, WE REALIZE WE'VE GOT SOME STRUCTURES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN A, UH, RIVER SETBACK, MAYBE SOME OF THE STRUCTURES A LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET. AND WE APPRECIATE STAFF'S COMMENTS TO THE SITE PLAN AND THE STRUCTURES. WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE COME BACK WITH FULL PLANS. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT HAS A, A LONG ROAD TO GO. WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SO STEP ONE FOR US, AT LEAST IN OUR, IN OUR MINDS, IS TO GET PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THE, THE TWO STRUCTURES, THREE AND FOUR AND HAVE TO GO ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR A SETBACK AND VARIANCE FROM THE, THE RIVER SETBACK. THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A ZONING CHANGE. THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE H D R C FOR BOTH PRELIMINARY AND FINAL, UH, BUILDING PLAN REVIEWS OF THE NEW STRUCTURES. SO THIS IS KIND OF STEP ONE FOR US. AND IF YOU CAN GO TO THE, SEE WHICH SLIDE WE NEED TO GO TO HERE. SLIDE NUMBER 41. WE, THERE, THIS IS STRUCTURE NUMBER THREE. WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT ITS ORIGINAL USE WAS. IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A MOBILE HOME PARK OFFICE OR MAYBE A RESIDENCE FOR THE MANAGER. IT IS VERY SMALL. IT'S IN VERY BAD SHAPE. OUR ARCHITECT ESTIMATED WOULD TAKE ABOUT 200,000, $206,701 TO REHAB THIS STRUCTURE INTO A HABITABLE STRUCTURE. NO ONE HAS LIVED IN IT IN YEARS OTHER THAN HOMELESS PEOPLE. WE'VE HAD A SERIOUS PROBLEM TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF OF THIS PROPERTY. AND IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 45 PLEASE. [03:25:03] OKAY. AND THIS IS THE STRUCTURE THAT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF IT WAS A STORE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT IT CLEARLY, MOST RECENTLY IT WAS USED AS A RESIDENCE. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I MEAN, BUT THIS, OUR ARCHITECT SAYS THIS PROPERTY WOULD PROBABLY COST $157,556 TO, TO REHABILITATE. THESE ARE THE STRUCTURES. WE REALLY DON'T SEE WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THEM IF YOU HAD REHABIL REHABILITATED THEM. IT'S KIND OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE STREET, LARGE LUMBER COMPANY. WE DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD EVER BE VIABLE AS A STORE OR AS A RESIDENCE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE DEMOLITION. NOW, I UNDERSTAND STAFF IS SAYING THAT WE HAVEN'T PROVED ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS FOR SALE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE WE PURCHASED IT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CLOCK SHOULD JUST START TICKING OVER AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. WE'RE TRYING TO REDEVELOP IT. THE RIVER IS BEAUTIFUL BACK THERE. NOW, AS I'M SURE ALL OF YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT WAS SORT OF A FLOOD CHANNEL. UM, WE THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT PROPERTY FOR NEW SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CORY, DID WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE? WE DO NOT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN, JUST ONE QUESTION OR MAYBE STAFF WILL KNOW. UM, I AGREE WE'RE WE'RE GONNA FOCUS MORE ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT YOUR SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED TODAY, IS THAT SOMETHING, IF WE APPROVE IT, IS THAT WHAT'S GONNA BE USED FOR YOU TO GET THE ZONING CHANGE AND THE VARIANCE? BECAUSE THEN I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, TO DISCUSS THAT SITE PLAN. SO JUST YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S SORT OF OUR CONCEPTUAL WISHLIST. I I DON'T WANT TO GET STUCK IN A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN WHERE ZONING IS APPROVED TO SITE PLAN AND H D R C HAS NOT. SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT OUR NEXT STEP, IF WE DO GET APPRO APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION OF THE TWO STRUCTURES, NEXT STEP WOULD BE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THEN WE WOULD, UH, COME BACK TO THE H D R C FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF THE DEC DECIDE PLAN AND PROPOSED STRUCTURES. AND AFTER WE GET THAT PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, GO FORWARD WITH THE ZONING CHANGE AND THEN WE GET THE ZONING CHANGE APPROVED. COME BACK TO H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF 80% PLAN. BUT YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN. I PROMISE. BEFORE WE GO TO THAT, PATRICK, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH WHY THOSE, BY WHY STRUCTURES THREE AND FOUR COULD NOT BE RELOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THIS PARCEL TO ACCOMMODATE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN OR WHY THEY COULDN'T BE INCORPORATED INTO NEW CONSTRUCTION AT LEAST, AND MAYBE PARTIALLY WELL STRUCTURE FOUR, IT'LL PROBABLY COLLAPSE. IF ANYONE TRIES TO OPEN THE FRONT DOOR, IT'S IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. WE DON'T BELIEVE IT COULD BE MOVED. AND, AND IT, I'M INCLUDING STRUCTURE THREE. THERE'S REALLY NO POSSIBLE USE FOR THESE STRUCTURES. I MEAN, WE'RE SAVING STRUCTURE ONE AND WE'RE PLANNING AND AS A, TO CONVERT IT BACK INTO A HABITABLE RESIDENCE AND STRUCTURE TWO, THE TWO STORY GARAGE WE'RE GOING TO REHAB INTO SORT OF AN AMENITY CENTER FOR THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE JUST, IT'S VERY STRUCTURE FOUR, IT'S PROBABLY 350 SQUARE FEET INSIDE. IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO WITH IT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE REHABILITATION COST STRUCTURE. NUMBER THREE, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANYONE COULD LIVE THERE. IT'S JUST TOO SMALL. UM, WE ARE ALREADY GONNA HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER WITH STRUCTURE TWO. WE JUST DON'T FEEL THERE'S A VIABLE USE. AND I, I KNOW THIS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA CONSIDER, BUT IT'S JUST, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY USE FOR IT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT IT. WE ACTUALLY DID REACH OUT TO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT ON 2 0 2 WEAVER STREET TO SEE IF THEY WOULD TAKE IT. AND THEY DIDN'T WANT WA WAS THERE A DR. A D R C REGARDING THESE? COULD WE GET A REPORT FROM THE D R C I? I THINK WE, WE WENT AND MET THE, UH, WENT AND VIEWED THE SITE SEPARATELY. I KNOW WHEN I WENT, UH, UH, I WAS THE ONLY COMMISSIONER AT, UH, AT MY TIME, UM, CORY WAS THERE. UH, WE, UM, VISITED A SITE, LOOKED AT THE BUILDINGS, UH, DISCUSSED WHICH BUILDINGS, UH, WERE, WERE TRULY CONTRIBUTING TO, TO THE STORY OF THE AREA. AND WE DID LOOK AT BUILDING ONE AND BUILDING TWO. I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, UH, THEIR NUMBERS. AND I THINK THE TWO STORY BUILDING DID, DID NOT SEEM TO BE RELOCATABLE. HOWEVER, THE OTHER BUILDING THAT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, THAT, UH, BUILDING [03:30:01] ACTUALLY BECOMING A PART OF THAT SITE PLAN. BUT WE WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT SITE PLAN, NEEDING TO, TO BE A DISCUSSION SEPARATE OF, UH, THE DEMOLITION. AND MOST DEFINITELY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE DENSITY THAT WAS PROPOSED. UH, THE, THE LITTLE BUILDING, A LITTLE SQUARE BUILDING, UH, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE DECAYING LIKE TO THE TOUCH. THE OTHER BUILDING SEEMS LIKE A, LIKE, LIKE A, A SMALL, UH, TRACTED HOUSE THAT HAS GONE THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS THAT A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UH, PIECES FALLING APART. UM, WE DID DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF BUILDINGS NOT ONLY, UH, IF THEY'RE RELOCATED, NOT ONLY FACING THE STREET, BUT ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE POSSIBILITY OF FACING THE RIVER. UM, BUT OUR PRIMARY, UH, UH, CONVERSATION WAS WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE, THE TWO BUILDINGS. AND I, AND I'M RECALLING FROM OUR LAST MEETING AS WELL, WE, WE, WE RECAPPED, UH, I THINK WE, UH, THE, UH, HISTORIC COMMISSION MEETING. WE, WE DID, UH, BRIEFLY DISCUSS THOSE. RIGHT. UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S A STRANGE SIGHT. THE, THE, UM, UH, THE BUILDINGS DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE THERE WAS A TRAILER PARK AND ONCE ALL OF THE THINGS ARE GONE FROM THE TRAILER PARK, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE VERY SCATTERED. THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY RELATE TO EACH OTHER. UH, UH, I THINK ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD ASKED, UH, UH, EDWARD, IT WAS EDWARD THAT WAS THERE. UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE STAFF HAS BEEN ABLE TO GIVE US ANY HISTORY ON ANY OF THESE STRUCTURES, ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE IS THAT QUESTION. STAFF DOES HAVE A BIT OF INFORMATION. UM, IF THE COMMISSION COULD, UH, GO TO BOTH FINDINGS, UH, TO F AS WELL AS, UH, CJ, UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST READ THAT. UH, THE LOT AT 3 26, RIVERSIDE CURRENTLY FEATURES FOUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES, TWO OF WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH HIS STRUCTURE NOTED AS STRUCTURE FOUR ON THE SITE PLAN FEATURE STUCCO WALLS AND A TWO OVER TWO WOOD WINDOW. THE ROOF FORM HAS BEEN MODIFIED FROM ITS PREVIOUS GABLE PROFILE. SANDBORNE MAPS DO NOT INCLUDE RIVERSIDE IN THE 1951 UPDATE. A 1953 SAN ANTONIO LIGHT ADVERTISEMENT NOTES, A TWO ROOM AND VAST, ALSO A THREE ROOM, UH, AND A GARAGE APARTMENT AT 3 26 RIVERSIDE. SO, UM, THAT'S MORE OR LESS THAN THE INFORMATION OR RESEARCH THAT STAFF HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND. UH, THE STRUCTURE CONTRIBUTES TO THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, GIVEN ITS DESIGN, ARCHITECTURAL FILE AND CONSTRUCTION DATE, UH, CIRCA 1940 FOR BOTH STRUCTURES. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, COMMISSIONER FISH FISH HAD ASKED THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK AS WHETHER THE BUILDINGS COULD BE RELOCATED ON THE SITE, UH, POSSIBLY OVER NEAR THE OTHER TWO HISTORICAL ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UH, REHABILITATED. UM, IS THAT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YES. IF YOU, UH, TELL US THAT AGAIN, YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT AGAIN, PLEASE. YES. SO STRUCTURE FOUR, WE REALLY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S MOVABLE. IT'S ABOUT TO COLLAPSE. STRONG WIND WOULD PROBABLY TAKE IT OUT. THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD SAVE IT. STRUCTURE THREE AND, AND INCLUDING STRUCTURE FOUR, IF WE COULD SAVE STRUCTURE FOUR, I MEAN, WE'RE AT A LOSS OF WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THEM. UM, NO ONE CAN LIVE IN THEM. WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD USE IT FOR AN AMENITY CENTER, BUT WE'RE ALREADY USING THE TWO STORY GARAGE FOR THE AMENITY CENTER. IT, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING BUILDING. I I JUST DON'T SEE HOW A SMALL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT COULD HAVE A NEED FOR TWO AMENITY CENTERS. LIKE I SAID, WE STRUCTURE THREE. WE DID ASK A, A, A DEVELOPER IN THE AREA 2 0 2 WEAVER STREET, IF THEY WERE WILLING TO TAKE IT. AND THEY JUST, THEY WERE NOT, THEY JUST SAID IT WAS TOO SMALL AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REHAB IT INTO SOMETHING USABLE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THE DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION FOR THE TWO STRUCTURES. BUT WE ARE SAVING TWO. I WANT THAT TO BE LOST. NO, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH, AGREEING TO REHAB THE TWO STRUCTURES. IT'S JUST THE LOSS OF THE OTHER TWO STRUCTURES THAT, UM, [03:35:02] AGAIN, SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF THE, THE DISTRICT AND, UM, THE SIMPLE, UM, FORMS AND, AND, UH, SIZES OF THE STRUCTURES THAT THAT SPOKE TO THE, UH, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE DISTRICT OVER THE YEARS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER LUNE. UH, TO ME, BUILDING THREE APPEARS THAT POSSIBLY THE FRONT PART OF IT WAS AN ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. MM-HMM. AND THE BACK HALF WAS ADDED ON. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SIDING TYPES AND TWO DIFFERENT ROOF SLOPES. THAT JUST MAKES ME THINK, UH, MAKES ME WONDER HOW, UH, PRACTICAL IT WOULD BE TO TRY AND RELOCATE IT IF YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD ACTUALLY JUST COME APART IF YOU TRIED TO MOVE IT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I SHARE SOME OF COMMISSIONER LFO'S CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. BUILDING FOUR. THE WHITE STRUCTURE BASED ON THE, JUST THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE'VE SEEN DOES ALSO APPEAR TO ME TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY DE DETERIORATED. AND I, I'M, I'M SKEPTICAL OF THAT, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING THREE, YOU KNOW, ONE THOUGHT IS THAT AT LEAST THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE STRUCTURE COULD BE, UH, COULD BE RELOCATED INCORPORATED INTO A NEW ADDITION TO SERVE AS ONE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT IN ITS CURRENT FORM, IT'S TOO SMALL FOR A USE. BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. UH, THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUE SAID ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, WAS VERY APPARENT THERE IS WHEN YOU DEVELOPING GOES IN THE ENVIRONMENT, THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA HAVE LESS RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER THAN THEY HAVE NOW, WHICH THEY, THEY REALLY, REALLY DON'T BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR AWAY FROM EACH OTHER, THEY'RE QUITE A DISTANCE. BUT THAT'S WHY PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT IF A BUILDING IS GONNA BE MOVED, UM, THAT THERE'S ALSO CONSIDERING MOVING, FACING THE RIVER, UM, THAT THERE'S OTHER, THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S A GREATER, YOU KNOW, DANCE FLOOR FROM WHICH TO MOVE THINGS. RIGHT. UM, BUT, BUT I I, I WOULD ALSO ECHO THE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER LFO'S COMMENTS IN, IN LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. IT, IT, IT IS QUITE BEAT UP. UM, AND, AND IT, AND IT CLEARLY WAS A SMALLER BUILDING THAN LATER ON. THEY ADDED ON THAT BACK SHED PIECE TOO. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. ONE MORE TIME. I'M GONNA TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS THING THROUGH AND IF THAT FAILS, WE CAN, UH, CONTINUE THE CASE. BUT I WOULD MOVE FOR, UM, APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO AND I'D LIKE TO REFER ITEMS THREE TO A D R C. MAY I ASK US A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES. AYE. S AYE VELAZQUEZ AYE. OLA AYE. RU RU IS HAVING CONNECTION ISSUES. FETZER NAY, AYE. SO THAT IS FIVE TO ONE. SO MOTION DOES CARRY. UM, AND THAT IS A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR, UM, D R C MEETING. UM, SO NEXT IS ITEM [20-4850 Address/Description: 515 N PALMETTO, 515, 517 & 519 N Palmetto HDRC Case No.: 2020-256 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: ricardo mccullough Request: Construction of three new single family structures City Council Dist.: 2] 17. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? GET THE NEXT APPLICANT ON. JUST BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I KEEPS DISCONNECTING THE INTERNET. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. [03:40:22] EDWARD, YOU'RE MUTED. OKAY, ARE YOU READY? YES. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 56 5 15 5 17 5 19 NORTH PALMETTO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE ONE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT FIVE 15 NORTH PALMETTO LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG. WOODY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT FIRST ADDRESS ALL STIPULATIONS OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE STIPULATIONS NOTED, NOTED BELOW PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, AT LEAST, AT LEAST ONE FOOT IN HEIGHT IS NOTED IN FINDING G TWO. DID THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOW OPENINGS ON EACH FACADE AND INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH? THE SIDES IS NOTED IN FINDING I THREE THAT EACH PORCH FEATURE A DEPTH OF AT LEAST FIVE FEET. AND FEATURES SIDE FACING WINDOW IS NOTED IN FINDING J ORAL SIDING FEATURE FOUR INCH EXPOSURE THICKNESS TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH. MIRE CORNERS IN A SMOOTH FINISH COLUMN SHOULD BE SIX INCHES SQUARE. AND WINDOW MATERIAL SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING M. ADDITIONALLY, GABLE RETURNS SHOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM GABLE ROOF. FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. SIX. THAT THE APPLICANT DEVELOP A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND SCREEN ALL MECHANICALLY EQUIPMENT AS NOTED IN FINDINGS. R AND SS. IS THE APPLICANT THERE MR. MCCULLOUGH? YES, I'M HERE. UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, GOOD EVENING. THIS IS RICARDO MCCULLOUGH. I'M THE, UH, PROJECT DESIGNER. AND, UH, AND I DID GET THIS, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. WE NEITHER ONE OF 'EM FROM ONE TO TO SIX. UH, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, UH, WE WOULD BE APPROVED AT THIS POINT OF, UH, JUST TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. UH, BUT I WAS BLINDSIDED RIGHT NOW SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE APPROVED UNTIL THIS IS TAKEN CARE OF. UH, ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE QUITE SMALL IN, IN THE GREAT SCHEME OF THE THE PROJECTS AND, UH, BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF, UH, IF YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, HELP ME, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT I'VE JUST HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT IS THAT, UH, HE HAS A, I THINK A, A KIND OF A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS THERE. THE APPLICANT IS NOTING THAT THEY'RE ALL RIGHT WITH ONE THROUGH SIX OF, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THE BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. BUT IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO ADHERE TO THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN I, I THINK A MOTION COULD BE MADE, UH, TO APPROVE BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD BE. UM, WELL, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH THE STIPULATIONS OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BEFORE GOING INTO THESE STIPULATIONS. SO THEN THAT'S THE MISUNDERSTANDING. THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL HAD SEVEN STIPULATIONS, UH, EIGHT STIPULATIONS, AND SEVEN, SIX OF THEM HAVE NOT BEEN MET. UH, STAFF CAN CLARIFY AS I UNDERSTAND IT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I MEAN, CORRECT. AND IT CAN BE EITHER WAY, LIKE A MOTION WITH STIPULATIONS COULD BE ENFORCEABLE WITH STAFF IN THIS CASE. USUALLY WHEN THERE'S UP TO SIX THAT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN THE DOCUMENTATION SUBMITTED THEN, BUT THAT IS CERTAIN CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT INCLUDED SURE. OR WELL ALSO. SO COREY, IS IT, IS IT CONCEPTUAL OR IS IT FINAL? DID THE APPLICANT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL THEIR APPLICATION FOR CONCEPTUAL OR THE APPLICATION FOR FINAL? I, I, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CONCEPTUAL AND THE FINAL APPROVAL. AND WE WERE, UH, APPROVED FOR, FOR, UH, CONCEPTUAL AND BASED ON ONLY THESE SIX, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND SOME OF 'EM ARE, ARE GIVEN, [03:45:01] LIKE I ITEM NUMBER ONE, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST 12 INCHES OF, OF THE FOUNDATION, IF NOT MORE THAN THAT, AND ANY OTHER ONES COULD BE EASILY ADDRESSED, UM, UH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. UH, WE JUST DIDN'T SUBMIT THE PAPERWORK IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING, UH, SHOWING THESE CHANGES DONE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MEAN, I, I DO THINK THAT THESE STIPULATIONS ARE EASILY ACHIEVABLE AND THAT STAFF, UH, CAN FOLLOW UP ON THESE MOTION MADE TO APPROVE. BUT I, I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERN HERE IS THAT THESE RELATIVELY EASY ITEMS WEREN'T DEALT WITH FROM THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL PHASE TO THE FINAL COMPUTER COM, UH, THE FINAL APPROVAL PHASE, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERN ABOUT THAT. UM, I, I'M GONNA TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION AND I'M GONNA INCLUDE AN EXTRA STIPULATION THAT WE DO COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY COMMENTS THAT I NEED TO GET THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR STOPPING ME. YEP. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, SUBMITTED BY MONICA SINO. UH, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS RESOLVE ALL STIPULATIONS OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE SUPPORT THE SCALE MASSING SETBACKS AND CONTEXT AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THIS PROJECT. HOWEVER, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THE SIDE ISSUES. THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY EITHER REMOVING ONE HOUSE TO MAKE ROOM FOR SIDE DRIVEWAYS AND APPROPRIATE FRONT WALKWAYS OR, OR BY RELOCATING VEHICLE ENTRY TO THE COMMONLY USED REAR ALLEYWAY. UM, SECOND ONE COMES FROM ARVIS HOLLAND ON 1112 BURNETT, THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY RICARDO MCCULLOUGH FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THREE NEW SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. UPON REVIEW, THE H PARK DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED AND SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. EACH PARK HAS STRONG CONCERN WITH NON HISTORIC DETAILING OF THE STRUCTURES AS WELL AS WITH THE OVERALL HOMOGENOUS DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURES. THAT'S IT. UH, COREY, UM, UH, ARE THE LOTS PLATTED OR IS IT ONE LOT WITH THREE HOUSES ON IT? UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T THE ANSWER THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THAT. I DO BELIEVE THEY APPLIED IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ADDRESSES. IT'S 5 15, 5 17, AND FIVE 19. PALM MEADOW. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL REGARDING THE, UH, FRONT YARD PARKING AND WHETHER PARKING SHOULDN'T BE COME OFF THE ALLEY? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED NOW IS OFF THE ALLEY. CORRECT. AND FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN IS YOU CAN SEE IN THE APPLICATION PACKAGE, UM, THE DOCUMENTS WERE CONFLICTING. SO THERE WERE SOME DOCUMENTS THAT WERE, I GUESS, THAT WERE INCLUDED, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THAT WERE RESUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. UM, KNOWING THE APPLICANT'S INTENT, HOWEVER, NOT HAVING THE UPDATED DESIGN DOCUMENTS IS WHAT LED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO A QUESTION TO STAFF, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS COMMISSION, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WE PUT IN THAT RESPONSIBILITY, UH, WITH A, WITH A, YOU KNOW, AN APPROVAL WITH ALL THESE STIPULATIONS AND THEN YOU CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO GET THOSE, UM, BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION IS BEING STARTED OR PERMITS? IT WOULD HAVE TO, WE DON'T ISSUE THE C O A FOR THE, WE DON'T APPROVE THE PERMIT OR ISSUE THE C O A UNTIL ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS HAVE DOCUMENT. SO THEY'LL GET A COMMISSION ACTION LETTER AND NOT A CERTIFICATE UNTIL THOSE ARE, UH, MAY I HAVE A COMMENT? SURE, YES. YEAH. AT THIS POINT, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR ADDRESS, I WAS FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS FROM MY CLIENTS WHO WANTED, AT THE BEGINNING TO BUILD SIX HOMES ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. THEY WANTED TO HAVE ACCESS FROM THE REAR TO THREE HOMES AND THEN ACCESS FROM THE FRONT FROM ON PALMETTO, UH, FOR THE THREE HOMES. UH, I ADVISED THEM THAT THAT WAS NOT GONNA BE APPROVED, BUT WE TRIED IT ANYWAY. AND THEN, SO WE WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL IDEA OF, UH, HAVING ONLY THREE SINGLE HOMES WHERE WE PROPOSED TO DO FRONT ENTRANCE, UH, TO A PARKING PAD, THINKING THAT THE ACCESS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ALLEY WAS NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED. AND THEN WE WERE SUGGESTED BY STAFF TO ACTUALLY DO THE OPPOSITE, TO LEAVE THE ACCESS FOR THE PARKING PAD AT THE, AT THE ALLEY AND NO ACCESS FROM THE FRONT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE RESUBMITTED FOR THE THIRD TIME. AND, AND YES, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE AND, UM, I KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO, TO GET TO COMPLY. YES. I DO SEE, UH, ON SHEET 21, THE REVISED PARKING. THERE IT IS. IT'S UP NOW. COMMISSIONER FISH WAS READY TO DO A MOTION. IF NOT, I'M READY. UH, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. I MOVE, [03:50:01] UH, FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND I JUST WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT ALL THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS A ADDRESSING THESE STIPULATIONS BE PROVIDED TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GURU, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE EBBS. AYE. QUEZ AYE. AREOLA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. THATOR. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, ADAM, 18. [20-4863 Address/Description: 430 E MULBERRY AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-333 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Peter DeWitt/Adapt Architecture and Construction Request: Removal and construction of an addition, site modifications, window replacement, demolition of a rear garage, construction of a rear garage City Council Dist.: 1] STEPHANIE, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU CAN. YES, WE CAN. YES WE CAN. YES WE CAN. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 18 H C R C. CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 3 3 3 ADDRESS, FOUR 30 EAST MULBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE, REPLACE ALL OF THE ORIGINAL ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS, THIS NEW SIERRA PACIFIC BRAND WINDOW, WOOD WINDOWS MATCHING CONFIGURATION DIMENSIONS AND INSET TWO, RECONSTRUCT, MODIFIED OR MISSING WOOD WINDOW SCREEN. THREE. REMOVE A NON-ORIGINAL REAR ADDITION. FOUR, CONSTRUCT A NEW REAR ADDITION. FIVE, DEMOLISH THE CONTRIBUTING ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SIX. CONSTRUCTING NEW ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CLOSER TO THE EAST AND REAR LOT. LINE SIX, RECONFIGURE THE DRIVEWAY TO INCLUDE PAVING TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT. AND EIGHT, INSTALL A REAR END GROUND POOL. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH D. IF THE H D R C RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT OUR, UM, STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS APPLY AS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WOOD WINDOW SCREEN RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDING E ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE NON-ORIGINAL REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING S. ITEM FOUR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING G WITH OUR STANDARD WOOD STIPULATION WOOD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. ITEM FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS WITH MATERIAL FROM THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING SALVAGEABLE WOOD SIDING, STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, INTERIOR SHIPLAP, WOOD DOORS AND WOOD WINDOWS BE SALVAGED AND STORED FOR USE ON SITE IN FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OR DONATED. ITEM SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE-STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING L BUT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AS REQUIRED BY D S C AND OBTAINS THE VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE, AND THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS OUR STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOWS. ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE HARDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS AND IN GROUND POOL BASED ON FINDINGS M AND N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS IF THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF IMPERIOUS HARDSCAPING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN FAVOR OF OUS COVER SUCH AS DECOMPOSED GRANITE, GRAVEL, PAVERS OF OUS JOINTS OR NATIVE GROUND COVER WHERE APPROPRIATE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND AS A NOTE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION IN YOUR PACKET. AND, UM, PETER, THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE, HE CAN CONFIRM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE ITEM THAT HE WISHES JUST TO DISCUSS IS, UM, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. PETER, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES. THIS IS, UH, PETER, THE DAP ARCHITECT OR CONSTRUCTION. UM, WE AGREE WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, UM, THE, UM, EXISTING WINDOWS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT SLIDE 37, YOU'LL SEE KIND OF A CLOSE UP OF THAT. UM, THE EXISTING WINDOWS HAVE AN OLD SECURITY SYSTEM ON 'EM. SO, UM, OTHER THAN SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE SOME DAMAGE TO 'EM, ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS HAVE THIS, THE GLASS ON IT ITSELF HAS THIS STRIPPING AND ATTACHMENTS TO THE, TO THE WOOD SIDING. SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT QUITE A PROJECT TO TRY TO GET ALL THE GLASS STRIPPED OR REPLACED. UM, AND SO THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS IF WE CAN REBUILD SOME OF THE SCREENS, UM, EVEN ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE TO MATCH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, EVEN THE FRONT HOUSE SCREEN THAT'S DAMAGED, THAT, THAT REALLY GIVES THE LOOK, THE, THE MUCH MORE HISTORIC LOOK OF THE HOUSE THAN EVEN THE ONE OVER ONE. 'CAUSE WE, WE REALIZED THAT MOST OF THESE HOUSES, THE DEFINITION OF THE WINDOWS IS DEFINED BY THE SCREENS, NOT BY THE ONE OVER ONE. THE 1 0 1 [03:55:01] IS USUALLY WHAT'S LEFT THAN LEFT AND WHAT PEOPLE SEE. SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE, UM, THE FINDINGS, I, I DID SPEAK WITH, UH, UM, MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE OF 'EM WAS THAT, UH, NEIL, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A LETTER THAT WE CONSIDER BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE GARAGE. UM, AND, UM, WE WOULD, UM, ACCEPT THAT IF YOU WOULD NEED TO, UH, IF SEE THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD. UH, WE THINK THAT'S FINE AND A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. WE REALIZE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE HOUSE, BUT ACTUALLY SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO TO THE GARAGE THAT WE'RE REMOVING. UM, ANOTHER ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO GO TO A WOOD CARRIAGE STYLE GARAGE DOOR. UM, AND WE WILL, WE ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THAT IF THAT'S, UM, IF THAT'S ALSO APPROVED BY STAFF. UM, THEY WANTED, UH, WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCH ONE OVER ONE AND THE LENGTH THAT MATCHES THE HOUSE. UM, WE'D RATHER DISAGREE WITH THAT, THAT THE EXISTING GARAGE HAS THOSE SMALL WINDOWS. WE MIGHT EVEN REUSE THOSE ON THIS GARAGE. SO, UM, IF WE CAN GET THOSE, UM, IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY ARE AND HAVE 'EM MOVED OVER, UM, THE EXISTING GARAGE HAD SMALLER WINDOWS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, AND THEN THEY HAD ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TRY TO CONSIDER THE GARAGE, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, BUT THAT CREATES A 180 DEGREE SWING TO COME OUT ONTO MULBERRY. AND MULBERRY IS A BUSY STREET. THE OWNER NOT ONLY WANTED TO GET PAST A NARROW SIDE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT WE'RE NOT DEMOLISHING, BUT THEY ALSO WANTED TO FORWARD FACE WHEN THEY'RE COMING OUT ON THE MULBERRY JUST FOR SAFETY. SO WE PREFER THAT IT'S IN THE OTHER SIDE. UM, SO THAT WE'RE JUST DOING A 90 DEGREE Y TURN SO WE CAN GET OUT OF THERE AND DO LESS BATHING. I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS, STAFF, DID WE HAVE ANY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? UM, NO. JUST THE LETTER THAT'S IN YOUR FOLDER. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, REVIEWING, UH, CAREFULLY REVIEWING THE, UH, MONTE VISTA, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM PAUL KENNISON. UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UH, THE ITEMS WITH THE WINDOWS I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS FOR A MOMENT. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, UH, WE GET, UH, A LOT OF REQUESTS TO FULLY REPLACE, UH, SALE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS IN A HOUSE, UH, IN, IN LIKE KIND, RECONSTRUCTED, UM, LIKE YOU'RE, LIKE YOU'RE, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR, BUT GENERALLY WE DON'T APPROVE THE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE WINDOWS UNLESS THEY'RE BEYOND REPAIR. I'M NOT PARTICULARLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SECURITY TREATMENT THAT'S DONE, THAT'S BEEN DONE TO SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS. CAN YOU LET US, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REHAB THOSE WINDOWS AND WHY THAT MIGHT BE PROHIBITIVE? UH, WELL, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT CHEMICAL IT MIGHT TAKE TO TRY TO GET THAT TAPE OFF. UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ACCESS TO THE HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY. WE DO KNOW THERE'S SOME SCREWS INTO THE SIDE OF THE WINDOWS. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT'S INTO THE JAMS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO FILL. UM, AND THERE ARE, SOME OF THE WINDOWS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROT AND DAMAGE TO 'EM, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE MUCH, THAT ARE GONNA TAKE MORE TO REPAIR. BUT, UM, IF WE CAN'T GET, IF THERE'S PERMANENT DAMAGE TO THE GLASS, THEN WE'D BE REPLACING JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PANE OF GLASS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DRIVES UP THE, THE COST TO THE OWNER, UM, A LOT ON THIS PROJECT. SO IF THE, IF WE ARE GETTING TO THAT POINT, THEN THE OWNER'S LIKE, WELL THEN THEY WOULD PREFER TO RESET THE WINDOWS AND GAIN THE ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, OF THE THERMAL ADVANTAGE OF THE NEW WINDOWS. AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE ASKING IF, IF ALSO WE COULD HAVE A NEGOTIATION WHERE THEY COULD GET, IF THEY IMPROVED ON THE, THE EXISTING OLD SCREEN THAT TO COVER UP THE NEW WINDOWS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THAT WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? WELL, I MEAN, MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS GENERALLY THAT AS A ME A METHOD TO DEAL WITH, UH, THE COST OF HISTORIC WINDOWS IS NOT APPROPRIATE. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE OTHER ITEMS HERE, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOWS. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF IS, HAS STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO DO A SITE LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS? YES. THE PHOTOS THAT YOU SEE, UM, LAUREN CYCLING THROUGH ON THE SCREEN ARE STAFF PHOTOS. SO, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO CONDUCT A SITE VISIT WITH THE APPLICANT AND REVIEW THEM FROM THE OUTSIDE AND THE INSIDE AND TAKE THOSE PHOTOS. SO IN GENERAL, THE BLINDS HELP, UH, THE WINDOW SCREENS HELP ACTUALLY, UH, KEEP THEM IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE THE WINDOWS. SO I, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THIS ONE, YES, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME WOOD REPAIR, BUT I, I MEAN I WENT THROUGH ALL THE PICTURES OF ALL THE WINDOWS AND IT DIDN'T SEEM THAT IT [04:00:01] WAS ENOUGH FOR US TO APPROVE A FULL REPLACEMENT. I MEAN, WE HAVE SEEN FOR PICTURES, I MEAN FOR WINDOWS THAT ARE IN MUCH WORSE CASE. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD, LIKE MAYBE WE CAN MAKE LIKE A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A, A DEAL WITH THE APPLICANT HERE AND SAY, OKAY, FOR NOW WE'RE GONNA APPROVE, UH, THAT YOU, I MEAN, NOT APPROVE THE FULL REPLACEMENT, BUT YOU CAN REFURBISH AND, UM, IN THE MEANTIME YOU, WHEN YOU START WORKING ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU START GETTING QUOTES FOR THOSE REPAIRS AND, AND STARTING TO TEST THE REMOVING OF, UH, THAT SECURITY, IF IT DOES BECOME AN ISSUE, I WOULD, I WOULD WELCOME TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS THAT ITEM. OKAY. I'M ACCEPTABLE TO THAT. OKAY. UM, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE, IF THERE'S NEW EVIDENCE ABOUT THE REPAIR OF THE WINDOW, I THINK WE CAN JUST RETAKE THAT ONE ISSUE UP AT A FUTURE MEETING. UH, BUT I'M, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE ACTION ON IT TODAY. AND IF THE SITUATION APPEARS DIFFERENT OR CHANGES, WE CAN REVISIT IT AS A, AS A SEPARATE APPLICATION. I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN JUST WITHDRAW ITEM NUMBER ONE FROM THE MOTION. YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BETTER IDEA. UH, IS THE APPLICANT WILLING ITEM NUMBER ONE? YES. THANK YOU. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT BOARD AND BATTEN BE USED ON THE GARAGE IN A WOOD CARRIAGE STYLE GARAGE DOOR USED ON THE GARAGE PER THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD . I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. OLA. AYE GROUP? AYE. BE AYE. . AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, PETER, THANK YOU. ITEM 19 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 2370. [20-4842 Address/Description: 370 QUENTIN DR HDRC Case No.: 2020-345 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Kelly Hoopes/Pella South Texas Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 7] QUENTIN. MS. RACHEL. READY? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 3 45 3 70. QUENTIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE TWO METAL CASEMENT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH WOOD CASEMENT WINDOWS APP DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN PLACE AND THE APPLICANT KELLY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER ALICIA, ARE BOTH ON THE LINE NOW. HELLO, YOU'RE ALICIA, BUT DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD? HI, GOOD EVENING. SO WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR REPLACING TWO CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE IN OBVIOUS DETERIORATION, UM, WITH NEW WOOD EXTERIOR P WINDOWS. UM, P WINDOWS ARE CRAFTED AND MANUFACTURE BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. AND THE ARCHITECT SERIES, THEY DO TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR, UM, PROCESS WITH MANUFACTURING THE WINDOWS SO THAT THEY ARE HISTORICALLY CORRECT. AND SO THEY DO NEED THE PROFILE WHEN IT COMES TO THE GRILLS AND JUST THE OVERALL FRAME OF THE WINDOW SO THAT EVERYTHING, UM, PRESERVES THAT HISTORIC LOOK. THE CUSTOMER IS REQUESTING THAT WE REPLACE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME BECAUSE THEY DO TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR HOME. AND THESE WINDOWS, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, THEY, THEY'RE DETERIORATING AND THEY DO KIND OF, THEY'RE NOT VERY APPEALING TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THEM WITH WINDOWS THAT THEY ARE NEW AND, UM, WOULD ADD VALUE TO THEIR HOME WHILE STILL PRESERVING THAT HISTORIC LOOK. THEY, YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, DISTRICT IS PROMOTED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FEATURES, UH, HOMES DEVELOPED IN THE 1920S AND THIRTIES. AND THE CITY IS NOT RECOMMENDING FULL REPLACEMENT BECAUSE THEY STATE THAT THEY, THEY HAVE THE SAME, UM, WINDOWS FROM WHEN THE HOME WAS BUILT. BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF WINDOWS AND YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT OF THIS PHOTO THAT THOSE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED. AND SO THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING LOOKS, YOU KNOW, IT ALL LOOKS THE SAME. SO BUILDING, REBUILDING THESE WINDOWS WOULD BE COSTLY. UM, IT WOULD BE HARD TO FIND [04:05:01] SOMEBODY TO REBUILD THESE WINDOWS. AND OUR WINDOWS, LIKE I SAID, THEY DO REPLICATE THAT HISTORIC LOOK BASED OFF THE PROFILES AND, YOU KNOW, DIVIDED LIGHTS AND THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE WINDOWS DO MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE WINDOWS WERE, UM, ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT ONE OF THEIR FINDINGS WAS. I BELIEVE FROM THE SITE VISIT, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE HOMEOWNER WAS THERE. I KNOW ORLANDO WAS THERE, BUT HE CANNOT BE PRESENT DURING THIS CALL. WHO WAS THE HUSBAND? RACHEL? GO AHEAD RACHEL. DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK NEXT? SURE. OKAY. UM, SO, UM, COMMITTEE, UH, MY NAME'S ALICIA DOMINGUEZ AND, UM, SO THAT YOU, UH, ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE LIVED IN THIS HOME FOR 29 YEARS. UM, THE HOUSE IS ALMOST 77 YEARS OLD. UM, AND SO WITH THAT, AND OF COURSE WHEN WE MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AT THE TIME OUR STREET WAS NOT A, UM, HISTORICAL BLOCK. IT WAS ENCOMPASSED A LITTLE BIT LATER. UH, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, WE LOVE OUR HOUSE AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT, UH, AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT WAS IN 1943, BUT THE WINDOWS HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM. INTERIOR, THERE'S MOISTURE COMING IN, UM, ON COLD DURING THE WINTER. I TAKE A TOWEL AND I WRAP A TOWEL AROUND THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE, AROUND THE EDGE OF THE WINDOWS TO KEEP THE WIND OUT. UH, WE'VE DONE, UH, OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO, UH, REPAIR THE, UH, THE ING AND WE'VE DONE THAT YEAR FOR YEARS. AND IT'S, UM, IT JUST IS IT, IT, IT, IT ISN'T HELPING THE HOME ANYMORE. UH, I AM THAT, THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE BRING THIS HOUSE AND WE BRING THE LOOK OF THE, WHAT THIS HOUSE NEEDS TO BE, UH, AND, AND LET IT BE A HEALTHY HOUSE. UM, SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I WANNA DO EXTERNALLY. UM, THE, SOME OF MY CONCERNS WITH THE, THE ACTUAL, UM, THE CRANKS, I, WE HAVE, UH, A HANDLE THAT IS BROKEN. UM, WE HAVE A LOCK WHERE THE HANDLE, WHERE THE CRANK, UM, CANNOT BE OPENED. UH, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE TO USE, UH, A HAMMER TO, IF I DO WANNA OPEN THEM UP, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH. I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT WANTS TO KEEP THE, THE, UH, FACADE, UH, INTACT AND, AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT THAT LOOK AND, AND CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO, UH, DAMAGE THAT PART OF THE, THE HOUSE. SO, UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, LETTING ME VISIT. YES. SO AS SHE WAS SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR HOME AND REPLICATING THE HISTORIC LOOK IS OUR GOAL. AND COLOR IS KNOWN FOR HAVING HISTORICALLY APPROVED WINDOWS. WE HAVE ARCHITECTS THAT WORK AND DESIGN THESE WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO MEET THOSE PROFILES AND TO PRESERVE THAT LOOK, UM, WHILE ADDING QUALITY AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN ENERGY EFFICIENCY TO THE OVERALL, THE HOME OVERALL. AND WE ARE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, I MEAN, SOMETIMES IF A WINDOW IS BEYOND REPAIR, WE USUALLY APPROVE, UH, TO A WINDOW BE REPLACED IN KIND. SO TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, UM, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A WOOD WINDOW, RIGHT? THE NEW WINDOW IS MADE OUT OF WOOD, SO IT'S BASICALLY NOT THE SAME. YES, MA'AM. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE FOR ME HERE, UM, BECAUSE [04:10:01] LOOKING AT THE REST OF YOUR HOUSE, YOU STILL HAVE THOSE, UH, ORIGINAL CASE NEW WINDOWS AND, AND BASICALLY, I MEAN, YOU REALLY CHANGE, I MEAN, CHANGING THE MATERIALS, THE PLAN I'M SURE IS GONNA BE TO CHANGE THE REST OF THE WINDOWS LATER ON. ALICIA, DO YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SORRY, I CAN I HEAR THE QUESTION AGAIN? ARE YOU PLANNING ON REPLACING SOME OF THE OTHER WINDOWS AROUND THE HOUSE LATER ON? WE, UH, REPLACING, UM, AT THIS POINT, NO. UH, WE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THEY ARE GLASS WINDOWS. THEY'RE NOT SAFE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A CHILD COMING INTO THE HOUSE AND IT DOES NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT BREAKS WHERE, WHERE IT'S STOCK AND SHATTER. SO, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER, UH, THAT WINDOW THAT YOU LOOK, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT IS A WOODEN WINDOW THAT THE, UH, WINDOW NUMBER EIGHT IS ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME DAMAGE TO, TO THE, TO THE WINDOW FOR SURE. ALL, ALL IN GOOD TIME. THAT'S KIND OF, I'M GOING WITH, IT'S LIKE WE ON, NORMALLY IF WE FIND A WINDOW BEYOND REPAIR, AND THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION HERE IS, AND IT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE REPLACED IN KIND. HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO FINDING AN OPTION THAT HAS A METAL FRAME AND NOT A WOOD FRAME? WE, WE CAN DO A METAL EXTERIOR. WE HAVE A METAL PLATTING THAT CAN SEE THE EXTERIOR. IF THAT IS WHAT'S NECESSARY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THESE SWAP OUTS FOR THESE WINDOWS UP FRONT. I'M A LITTLE BIT IN, IN A LITTLE BIT OF A ALSO HERE, A LOT OF THESE HOMES ACTUALLY RIGHT AROUND YOUR HOUSE HAVE THESE CASEMENT WINDOWS AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE BEEN REPAIRED. SO I, I DON'T FEEL THAT COMFORTABLE, UM, BEING ABLE TO APPROVE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS THE REPLACEMENT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER, THIS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS CORRECT AND I'M AGREEING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP THAT, UM, RESTORATION OF THESE, UH, STEEL WINDOWS IS, IS, UM, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED AS OPPOSED TO REPLACEMENT. UH, ANOTHER ITEM THAT, UM, IS THAT, UH, EACH OF THESE WINDOWS IS A PAIR OF CASEMENTS WITH A FIXED TRANSOM WINDOW. UH, WHEREAS WHAT IS PROPOSED IS JUST A, UH, PAIR OF CASEMENTS THAT ARE TALLER MM-HMM. . AND INSTEAD OF FOUR LEAVES PER WINDOW, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO LEAVES. SO THERE IS SOME DESIGN DIFFERENCE IN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. IF YOU GO TO THE ORDER THAT IS, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE GONNA ESSENTIALLY BE MAKING THESE CASEMENTS TALLER. INSTEAD OF IT BEING FOUR UNITS, IT WILL BE TWO SEPARATE, WELL TWO SEPARATE UNITS MOLD TOGETHER. SO IT WILL STILL REPLICATE THAT LOOK, BUT JUST MINUS THE WINDOW ON TOP THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION? UH, I'D LIKE TO, TO ASK THE, THE APPLICANT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO HERE? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I, IS, IS WHAT IS BEING, IS WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO CLEAR TO YOU OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE THEY CLEAR TO YOU TO REPLACE THE FULL UNIT? YEAH. WHAT, UM, I'M DO A MOTION HERE. SO, UH, WE CANNOT, UH, I CANNOT, I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, RE THIS, I'M A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE REPLACEMENT THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TODAY WILL BE APPROVED. UH, 'CAUSE IT CHANGES THE DIMENSION, THE DESIGN OF THE WINDOWS AND THE [04:15:01] MATERIALITY. SO I SAY THAT THERE'S MAYBE TWO CHOICES, UH, YOU CAN WITHDRAW AND COME BACK WITH MAYBE ANOTHER DESIGN, ANOTHER DESIGN THAT, UM, IS MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. IT HAS TO BE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. SO MAYBE YOU CAN DO SOME MORE RESEARCH EITHER WITH THE CURRENT PROVIDER, WITH ANOTHER PROVIDER, OR THE MOTION WILL BE TO DENY THE REQUEST. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE. IF THEY NEED TO BE CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH THE FIXED UNIT ON TOP, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT CAN BE, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY PRECISELY WHAT THE ISSUE HERE IS. UM, WINDOWS, UM, CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO THE CHARACTER OF INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES. AND, UH, WE ALLOW FOR THEIR REPLACEMENT IN KIND IF THEY'RE BEYOND REPAIR. STAFF HAS NOTED, UH, THE ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT WINDOWS, INCLUDING CRACKS, CHIPS, NON-OPERATING HARDWARE, AND THEY ALSO FIND THAT THE WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE. UM, IF THE WINDOWS ARE NOT REPAIRABLE, THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD APPROVE A REPLACEMENT IN KIND, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER STEEL TYPE WINDOW IN THIS CONFIGURATION. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK AN ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOW WOULD BE CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE HERE. UM, UNLESS THE DIMENSIONS ARE REALLY, REALLY CLOSE. AND TYPICALLY AN ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOW, YOU CAN'T GET THE THINNESS OF THESE PROFILES. UH, BUT BASED ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, I WOULD CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION OF OF DENIAL. AND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT IS BROUGHT FORWARD, WE THAT THEY'RE BEYOND REPAIR, WE CAN CONSIDER REPLACEMENT. EVEN IF WE DID THE WOOD EXTERIOR, SAME THING GOES, JUST THE WOOD IS ALSO AN ISSUE. THAT'S PART OF THE MATERIAL CHANGE IN MATERIAL. UM, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN AND TO, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH'S COMMENT, THIS SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A, YOU'RE NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING. MAYBE A D R C WOULD HELP TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAMMER DOWN EXACTLY WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND NOT ACCEPTABLE AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING. 'CAUSE THERE, THERE SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S NOT A, A, A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE. IS THAT A MOTION? YES. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS, UH, APPLICATION BE CONTINUED PENDING. A D R C, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. AND YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. UM, LET'S JUST DO A SHOW OF HANDS. I SEE SEVEN HANDS UNANIMOUS. I LIKE THAT IDEA. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT. UM, AGAIN, REMINDER THAT, UM, ITEM 21 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. UM, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 22. [20-4866 Address/Description: 526 MISSION ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-343 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Delia Bara/BARA DELIA Request: New construction of rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 1] THAT'S WE, ARE YOU THERE? WE DID, DID WE SAY WE WERE GONNA CUT OFF AT SEVEN 30 OR WAS THAT JUST IT? IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. WELL, I UNDERSTAND ANOTHER ONE HAS BEEN POSTPONED. ITEM 24, APPLICANT'S UNA FOUR IS POSTPONED. YEAH, ITEM 24, THE APPLICANT IS UNAVAILABLE. SO THAT LEAVES US WITH ITEMS 2223 AND I, UM, I THINK WE HAD AGREED ON SEVEN 30. 7 42 8 WILL BE MY MAX. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN PUSH THESE THROUGH. UM, IF NOT, WE'RE GOING GONNA LOSE IT QUORUM. SO, UH, JUST A NOTE TO APPLICANT'S, UH, 23 AND 25. WE HOPE TO GET TO YOUR CASE TODAY. IF NOT, WE'LL CONTINUE 'EM NEXT TIME. AND THEN JUST TO COMMENT, THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT'S. UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE COMMISSIONER NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERATE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. OKAY. WE CAN YOU READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD? CAN YOU UNMUTE? OKAY. CASE NUMBER 22. AGENDA ITEM 20 23 43 AT 5 26 MISSION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 480 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING E AND G REGARDING BUILDING SIZE, WINDOWS AND DOORS, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OF THAT SIZE [04:20:01] QUANTITY FENESTRATION PATTERN ARE ATYPICAL TO HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE BLOCK AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF THE COMMISSION IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE OR THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO RESUBMIT, STAFF RECOMMENDS A REDUCTION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONS AND INCORPORATING FRONT FACADE WINDOWS THAT ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. THIS CASE DID COME TO US AS WORK PRIOR TO APPROVAL. UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'LL NOTE, UH, THE PHOTOS THAT YOU SEE FROM THE SITE VISIT ARE THE STRUCTURE, IS THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS TODAY. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT REVISED THE DRAWING TO SEPARATE THE TWO, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES RATHER THAN, UH, ESSENTIALLY BUILDING AN ADDITION ONTO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AS YOU WOULD SEE IN THE CURRENT PHOTOS. LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OH, GOOD. MY NAME IS DELIA VARA AND I OWN THE, AND I'M THE APPLICANT AS WELL FOR 5 2 5 MISSION. I ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET. UH, 5 2 6 MISSION. HOWEVER, I WANT TO BEGIN MY PRESENTATION WITH JUST EXPRESSING MY SINCERE APPRECIATION TO THE FOLLOWING H D R T SPECIALIST. WE PUMP FROM KATIE TOMAN AND ED HALL ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH ME AS A TEAM THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS. I USED THEIR SAMPLES, UH, FOR ELEVATION AND SIDE PLANS, AND I'VE INCORPORATED THEM IN THE REVISED DRAWINGS. SO MY THANK YOU TO THE TEAM. ORIGINALLY ON 7 9 20 20, I CONSTRUCTION AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF 480 SQUARE FEET WITH A MATCHING GABLE ROOF AS THE FRONT OF THE MAIN HOUSE. THAT'S MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE MAIN HOUSE. AND I ALSO MET THE REQUIRED SETBACKS. I HAD DONE THE FOUNDATION ON CONCRETE BLOCKS, USED THE SAME VERTICAL RESIDENTIAL SIDING AT THE GARAGE. THE ROOF WAS INSTALLED WITH THE SAME COLOR SHINGLES AS THE GARAGE AND THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THE GABLE ALSO MATCHED THE GARAGE IN THE MAIN HOUSE. AT THIS POINT, NO DOORS OR WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED WITH THE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION. ON JULY 24TH, I RESUBMITTED A PROPOSED REVISED ELEVATION PLAN TO MEET THE SIZE REQUIREMENT AND THE THREE FOOT SETBACK SEPARATION FROM THE GARAGE. AND I ALSO MET THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. I WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO SPEAK TO MY NEIGHBORS AND I OBTAINED 10 LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND EMAILS, WHICH WERE SENT TO H C R C FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE KING WILLIAM AREA. FIVE OF THOSE, UH, ARE ON MISSION STREET ALONE. THEY EXPRESS THEIR COMMENTS TO KEEP THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THE SAME SINCE IT CANNOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. OTHERS WALKED INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN THERE. THEY WERE NOT EVEN AWARE THAT IT WAS THERE. HOWEVER, THEY MADE COMMENTS THAT, THAT IT, THAT THE, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MAIN HOUSE GABLE WAS THE SAME AS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. ONE NEIGHBOR COMMENTED THAT I SHOULD PAINT IT THE SAME COLOR AS THE GARAGE TO BLEND IN WITH THE GARAGE COLOR, WHICH I TOTALLY AGREE. I OWN THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S A TWO STORY STRUCTURE AND I STOOD ON THE BALCONY AND I CANNOT SEE THAT, UH, REAR STRUCTURE ACROSS THE STREET MYSELF. FINALLY, I REQUEST A COMMISSIONER'S FEEDBACK. I AM A TEAM PLAYER AND I WANNA CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH MY CASE MANAGER, WE AND THE OTHER TWO TEAM MEMBERS TO ALLOW ME TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL SIZE, WHICH IS NOW DETACHED FROM THE GARAGE. AS PER THE REVISED PLAN, I WILL ADD THE F FACADE WINDOWS TO ADD TO THE FLAVOR OF THE KING WILLIAM AREA, AND IT'S ALSO RECOMMENDED BY THE TEAM. AND FINALLY, TO ALSO MEET THE STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE DO. UM, MARIO HERNANDEZ FIVE 17 MISSION. I LIVE AT FIVE 15 MISSION AND HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 2014. [04:25:02] I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING AT 5 26 MISSION, UM, TO REMAIN THE WAY IT IS. I CANNOT, CANNOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. THANK YOU. MARIA SANTOS, 5 23 MISSION AT 5 23 MISSION SINCE 2004. THE BUILDING IS NOT A PROBLEM. I DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT WAS THERE. THE BUILDING SHOULD STAY WHERE IT'S, UM, DAVID HEGEL FIVE 10 MISSION STREET. MY NAME IS DAVID HEGEL AND I LIVE AT FIVE 10 MISSION STREET. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE ACCESSORY DWELLING AT 5 26 MISSION. HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. WHAT'S I SEE THE HEIGHT OF 12 FEET FOR THE NEW BUILDING. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF YOUR EXISTING GARAGE? IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE, UH, AS THE BUILDING, AS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. I BELIEVE IT'S 12 FEET. AND THEN ALSO I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY FENESTRATION. UH, SO NO WINDOWS. YOU HAVE THE TWO DOORS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY WINDOWS IN THE BACK OR ANYTHING? NO, I HAD NOT. I HAD NOT INSTALLED, UH, WINDOWS. UM, UH, THE TEAM DID SEND ME THE SPECIFICATIONS AND, AND SO I WILL BE WITH YOUR APPROVAL. I WILL BE INSTALLING THE WINDOWS AS PER THE, THE REQUIREMENTS IT, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE DRAWINGS. I DON'T SEE ANY WINDOWS. THERE'S NO GARAGE DOOR EITHER. I MEAN, I SEE THAT LITTLE SIDE DOOR ON THE EXISTING GARAGE, SO THAT MUST HAVE BEEN REMOVED AT SOME POINT. BUT AM I MISSING THE WINDOWS ON THE PLANT? UM, THEY'RE ON. AND THE REVISED, THE REVISED, UH, ELEVATION PLANS DOES INCLUDE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE SUBMITTED ON THE 24TH. COMMISSIONER. I CAN CLARIFY. UH, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION, UH, WHEN STAFF PROVIDED THE STIPULATIONS, THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, AMICABLE TO THEM. I BELIEVE THE, THE, THE MOST OUTSTANDING, UM, VIOLATION OF THE GUIDELINES THAT STAFF IDENTIFIES IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. OTHERWISE, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO, UH, TO INSTALL FENESTRATION AS APPROPRIATE. AND THEN MR. FETZER, UM, THE, YOU'RE REQUESTING THE SAME 480 SQUARE FEET, 20 BY 24, BUT YOUR SITE PLAN IS DIMENSION 15 BY 20, WHICH IS A 300 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE. SO WHICH ONE ARE YOU REQUESTING? THE, THE 480 UH, SQUARE FEET STRUCTURE. AND WITH THE THREE FOOT GAP BETWEEN THAT AND THE EXISTING GARAGE, THAT ALLOWS YOU THE, UH, APPROPRIATE SETBACK ON THE OTHER SIDE. YES, IT GIVES ME THE FIVE FEET ON THE BACK AS WELL AS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES? UH, COULD STAFF SPEAK TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF REDUCTION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE GUIDELINES? UH, PER THE GUIDELINES, IT ALLOWS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO BE APPROXIMATELY 40% OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO THE REDUCTION WOULD HAVE TO BE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL. I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, REDUCING THE 480 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE TO 180 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS INCLUDED IN THAT CALCULATION AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS CON CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ALREADY? CORRECT. SO, SO I MEAN, MY, MY CONCERN WITH THE REAR YARD IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A REAR YARD OF THIS SCALE, THAT THE, THE COVERAGE BACK HERE, I, I DON'T THINK MEETS THE PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE, UH, SUPPORTING AN APPROVAL OF THIS TODAY AS IS, BUT, UH, I'M PERFECTLY WILLING, UH, TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS AND POSSIBLY A D R C. UM, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO SEND THIS TO D R C IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL LIKE THEY CAN TAKE ACTION ON THIS. JUST DON'T SECOND. SO I, I MOVE TO SEND TO THE D R C. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? UM, LET'S RAISE HANDS AGAIN. I SEE SEVEN HANDS, UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. YOU, [04:30:03] UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE NOTIFIED, UM, THE REMAINING APPLICANTS THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A DESIRE TO END THE MEETING, UM, BUT WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO, TO CONTINUE THOSE ITEMS AND ADJOURN. DO THAT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I I MOVE TO CONTINUE THE REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS TO THE NEXT MEETING. UH, 2324 AND 25. COMMISSIONER GIBBS 23, 24 AND 25. SORRY. GO AHEAD, JAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AND I MOVED TO A, I MOVED TO ADJOURN. WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES. MOTION TO [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for August 5, 2020.] APPROVE MINUTES FROM MEETING. EIGHT. THIRD. AUGUST 1ST. FIFTH. FIFTH. AUGUST. SECOND. SECOND. A. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NOW MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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