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6:00 PM ON THIS 24TH DAY OF AUGUST, 2020.
UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL OUR CITY COUNCIL GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, MADAM CLERK, IF YOU COULD CALL THE ROLE COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA.
COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ PRESENT.
AND, UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY TIGHT AGENDA TODAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START.
[1. 20-4972 Approval of the minutes from the August 3, 2020 Governance Committee Meeting.]
ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 3RD, AND, UM, THAT SHOULD BE ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA.UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THOSE MINUTES.
THERE'S A MOTION, UH, BY COUNCIL MEMBER KURTZ, SECOND BY SANDOVAL.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? CORRECTIONS? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE.
UM, ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT, UH, THREE CCRS, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH TODAY.
[2. 20-5030 Briefing and possible action on a Council Consideration Request from Councilmember Peláez regarding hospice and palliative care for people experiencing homelessness. [Colleen M. Bridger, MPH, PhD, Assistant City Manager; Melody Woosley, Director, Human Services]]
ONE IS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER S REGARDING HOSPICE CARE.SO, UH, LEMME TURN IT OVER TO, I THINK MELODY'S GONNA PRESENT THIS ONE.
UH, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES AGREES THAT ACCESS TO PALLIATIVE AND HOSPICE CARE FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS IS A HIGH PRIORITY.
UM, WE KNOW THAT EMERGENCY SHELTERS CANNOT PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF CARE REQUIRED TO TREAT TERMINAL ILLNESS OR TO PROVIDE, UM, END OF LIFE CARE.
THE HOMELESS HAVE POORER HEALTH OUTCOMES AND A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER LIFE EXPECTANCY.
AND THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS ON THE STREET AND IN SHELTERS WHO CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEIR ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING AND ARE NOT RECEIVING THE CARE THEY NEED TO MANAGE THEIR ILLNESS.
AND SO OFTEN THEY'VE DETERIORATED TO THIS POINT WHILE ON THE STREETS, OR THEY'VE BEEN DISCHARGED FROM A HOSPITAL TO THE STREET, AND SHELTERS WILL NOT ACCEPT THEM FOR THE MOST PART.
OTHERS DETERIORATE WHILE THEY'RE IN SHELTER, A SHELTER SITUATION OR HOUSING.
AND THE SHELTER DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CONTINUE CARING FOR 'EM.
AND SO, IDEALLY, WE OR OUR PROVIDERS CAN, UM, ATTACH THEM TO BENEFITS SUCH AS MEDICAID, MEDICARE, OR VA BENEFITS.
AND THEN THEY CAN BE MOVED TO NURSING CARE.
HAVEN FOR HOPE, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS BECOME, UH, EXPERIENCED AT HELPING HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ACCESS THESE BENEFITS AND MOVE TO MORE APPROPRIATE LIVING.
AND IN SOME CASES, EVEN TRANSFERRING GUARDIANSHIP AND FIDUCIARY RIGHTS.
AND SO, THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET AND, UH, CARESS ACT FUNDING THAT D H S RECEIVED, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A CONTINUUM OF STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS, UM, TO IMPROVE PRIOR PROVIDER COORDINATION, EXPAND OUTREACH SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS CONDITION AND, AND GET THEM TO CARE AND IMPROVE ACCESS TO SHELTER SERVICES AND HOUSING.
AND THIS DOES INCLUDE COLLABORATION AMONG HOMELESS PROVIDERS, CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND HEALTH SYSTEMS. AND THAT'S HOW WE CAN ENSURE APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT FOR, FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE UNABLE TO MANAGE THEIR ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING OR WHO NEED HOSPICE CARE, AS WELL AS PREVENTING THOSE EXTREMELY VULNERABLE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS FROM BEING DISCHARGED OR RELEASED TO STREET HOMELESSNESS.
SO WE ARE ACTIVELY DISCUSSING OPTIONS WITH BEXAR COUNTY HAVEN FOR HOPE, SARAH AND FAITH ORGANIZATIONS, AS WELL AS WITH OUR HEAD TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROVIDERS WHO ARE HELPING US WITH RESEARCH AND IDENTIFICATION, UM, AROUND BEST PRACTICES.
AND ALSO, UH, WORKING THROUGH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS MINIMAL, UM, ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T MEET THEIR ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING OR WHO HAVE TERMINAL ILLNESSES.
AND SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HELPING US WALK THROUGH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS REQUIRING THAT KIND OF SERVICE WOULD BE IN A GIVEN YEAR.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S DEFINITELY PALLIATIVE AND HOSPICE CARE IS DEFINITELY PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING AROUND, UM, A WHAT WE CALL ADL'S, ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING.
AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A STRONG SOLUTION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THIS IS A C C R, UM, AUTHORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PAIS, WHO I BELIEVE, UH, WE HAVE HERE WITH US.
SO LET ME TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION.
THE, THE GENESIS OF THIS, UH, COMES FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH THE UT HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER,
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PALLIATIVE CARE TEAM, UM, AND ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS WHO AT, AT HAVEN FOR HOPE, WHO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT NONE OF US HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO, UH, SOLVE.UH, OTHER CITIES HAVE, HOWEVER, BEGUN TO EMBRACE THE PROBLEM, REALLY SOLVE FOR IT.
UM, WE KNOW THAT, UM, ALL TOO OFTEN, UH, HOMELESS FOLKS IN SAN ANTONIO JUST DIE MUCH SOONER THAN, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN HOMES.
AND SO THE AVERAGE, UH, LIFE EXPECTANCY, I BELIEVE IN TEXAS IS 80.
UM, FOR A HOMELESS PERSON, THE AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 42 AND 52.
UM, TO MAKE THINGS WORSE, WE KNOW THAT THESE FOLKS ARE, UH, WHEN THEY DO HAVE SERIOUS ILLNESSES AND TERM, YOU KNOW, AND TERMINAL DISEASES, THEY DIE, UM, OUTSIDE UNDER A BRIDGE IN EXTREME HEAT, UM, ALONE AND IN A LOT, LOT OF PAIN.
AND, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT SAN ANTONIO, UM, SHOULD SIT BY WHEN OTHER CITIES ARE, UM, ARE REALLY BEING AGGRESSIVE FOR THIS.
AND SO TO ADD ON TO MELODY'S, UH, PRESENTATION, I'LL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A LOT OF LITERATURE ON THIS ONE AND SOME OF THE, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL, BUT SOME OF THE LITERATURE SUGGESTS THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT POINTS, AND MELANIE COVERED SOME OF 'EM, BUT I'LL COVER SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
AND THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM IS, IS NOT JUST ADDRESSING THE BARRIERS TO THIS KIND OF CARE AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S EDUCATION BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS AND SOCIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL WORK PROFESSIONALS, BUT ALSO, UM, THERE ARE PA MOBILE PALLIATIVE, UH, CARE TEAMS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, DRIVE AROUND CITIES.
UM, THERE'S A DISCUSSION THAT HAS TO BE HAD ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH HOMELESS FOLKS WHO HAVE VERY REDUCED COMPETENCY OR AN ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, PAIN MANAGEMENT AND SYMPTOM MANAGEMENT OUT IN THE FIELD.
UM, AND THEN, UH, MELODY, YOU SAID IT, AND, AND I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO, UH, IS TO LEVERAGE, UH, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME ALSO IS TO BAKE THIS INTO HOUSING PROGRAMS TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO THIS VERY PARTICULAR KIND OF CARE MERIT.
SO ANYWAY, I, I THINK WE CAN BE THE KIND OF CITY THAT, THAT LEANS IN ON THIS ONE AND, AND BEGINS TO, UH, NOT JUST STRIVE FOR BEST PRACTICES, BUT ALSO BE THE, THE PLACE THAT CREATES BEST PRACTICES FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES TO EMULATE.
SO I'LL END THERE, AND I THANK Y'ALL FOR, FOR SUPPORTING THIS.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER, PIA.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, OUR COLLEAGUES WHO WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS. LEMME START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE.
AND, AND AGAIN, A REMINDER JUST TO USE YOUR, UM, RAISE HAND FEATURE IN WEBEX IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, JUMP IN ON THIS COUNCIL MEMBER.
UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY, GOOD.
UM, I THINK ALL OF US UNDERSTAND WHAT HOSPICE MEANS.
UH, PALLIATIVE CARE, I PRESUME MEANS HELPING PEOPLE GET BETTER SO THEY CAN GO BACK OUT ON THE, UNDER THE COMMUNITY AND NOT NECESSARILY THE HOSPICE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA DIE.
UH, BUT I'M WONDERING, UH, IS THE PRESUMPTION HERE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE ON THE EXPENSE FOR PROVIDING THIS KIND OF SERVICE? AND ALSO, UH, ARE THERE ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE TODAY THAT ARE NON-PROFIT THAT WILL TAKE PEOPLE IN, GIVE THEM PALLIATIVE CARE, OR GIVE THEM HOSPICE CARE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE AREN'T ANY NON-PROFITS ARE THERE FOR-PROFITS, AND WILL THEY TAKE HOMELESS PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO KIND OF INSURANCE OR, OR NO KIND OF HEALTH IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, TO COVER THE COST OF THEIR CARE? SO, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS? IF, IF, IF, IF I CAN MAYOR, UM, THERE IS ONE HOSPICE FACILITY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
IT'S A NONPROFIT CALLED ABODE.
REALLY, REALLY, UM, VERY SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT PLACE.
BUT THEIR WAITING LIST IS, IS ETERNAL, VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF BEDS.
UH, ALL UH, PALLIATIVE CARE DOCTORS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND HOSPICE CARE DOCTORS WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE IS WAY MORE DEMAND THAN THERE ARE BEDS, UH, IN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, THE, UH, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP OUT ON THIS AS FAR AS PROVIDING THE CARE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT MY C C R, UM, YOU KNOW, AIMS TO DO.
I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO, YOU KNOW, GO AND START OUR OWN PALLIATIVE CARE, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MELLY LAID OUT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? WHICH IS PARTNERING UP, MAKING SURE THAT THIS BECOMES A PRIORITY FOR US, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ROPING IN, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO COULD LEAN IN A LITTLE MORE LIKE FAITH COMMUNITY, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS PART OF OUR HOUSING AND
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OUR HOMELESSNESS, UM, UH, STRATEGY.AND SO REALLY WHAT THE C C R IS DOING IS REQUESTING THAT WE BAKE THIS INTO, UH, HOUSING AND, UH, OUR, OUR HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE EFFORTS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT BECOMES A TOOL WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO REFER PEOPLE TO FOR HELP.
THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHING.
COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ROSA GARCIA HERE, AND THANK YOU COUNCILMAN PAL.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE CCRS THAT I, UM, SUPPORTED EARLY ON.
AND SO I THINK MELODY ALSO, UM, MELODY, IN YOUR PRESENTATION AT BUDGET WORK SESSION LAST WEEK, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, SOME THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WERE REALLY CRITICAL TO THIS DISCUSSION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THAT WE EVENTUALLY WANT HOMELESSNESS TO BE RARE BRIEF.
AND, UM, YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH INITIATIVES THAT HELP US GET TO THAT.
AND SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF THAT AND BEING SO PURPOSEFUL IN THAT.
I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES SLIDES HAVE A LOT OF WORDS AND MANY PEOPLE MISS THEM, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS A KEY MEANING THAT I COULD BRING UP, UM, WHEN THE C R CAME UP.
AND SO, UM, I, I AGREE IN THE RARE AND THE BRIEF, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL HELP WITH, WITH THAT, UM, HOUSING, I HEAR, AND I REACHED OUT TO A FRIEND WHO IS IN THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS, AND SHE'S A DOCTOR, AND SHE SAID THAT THE REAL ISSUE AT THE END OF LIFE IS REALLY HOUSING.
AND SHE MENTIONED THAT MEDICARE COVERS, UH, HOSPICE SUPPORT.
SO, WHICH IS WHY TO, UM, COUNCILMAN COURAGE IS QUESTION EARLIER.
I SEE THE NEED FOR MAYBE THE FOCUS BEING SPECIFICALLY ON HOUSING AND MAYBE ALSO ANOTHER, UH, POINT THAT SHE BROUGHT UP WAS THE ACCESS TO CARE THAT MAYBE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY TO SIGN UP FOR IT.
AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN SPECIFIC THOUGHT INTO THE HOUSING PORTION OF THIS YET, MELODY? YES.
YOU KNOW, SO THROUGH THE CARES ACT FUNDING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF RAPID REHOUSING FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT WILL HELP US PLACE MORE HOMELESS INTO, UM, HOUSING SITUATIONS.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT AND PRIORITIZING THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE FOR HOUSING FIRST, UM, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THOSE GROUPS.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS CERTAINLY TO THIS ISSUE, IS GETTING THEM INTO THE RIGHT KIND OF HOUSING THAT HAS, AND THEN ACCESS TO THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.
UH, WE DON'T WANNA PUT ANYONE IN HOUSING WITHOUT THOSE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES OR WITHOUT CASE MANAGEMENT THAT NEEDS THAT CARE.
UM, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO MONITOR AND THEN MOVE THEM, UH, POTENTIALLY TO HOSPICE, UM, AT THE VERY END OF THEIR, THEIR DAYS.
SO THAT, THAT IS PART OF THE STRATEGY, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S GONNA BE ROLLED INTO THE, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN ROLLOUT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET AN UPDATE, BUT I JUST, UM, AM I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WILL, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT IS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
THESE, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHE GARCIA, COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ.
WHAT REALLY, UH, I THINK, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN ROCHE GARCIA ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS I HAD AS WELL.
SO, UM, THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL.
I JUST, UH, WANTED TO SAY I'M GLAD SEEING THIS GOING FORWARD.
WHEN, UH, COUNCILMAN
I SAID, WE DISAPPROVED A STRATEGIC PLAN.
WHY ISN'T THIS, UH, THIS PART OF IT? AND WHAT HE TOLD ME WAS THAT IT, IT REALLY WAS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THAT.
BUT I AGREE WITH HIM THAT IT WAS VERY NECESSARY.
UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF READING OUT THE PROCLAMATION DURING THE VIGIL, UH, THE HOMELESSNESS VIGIL AT, AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
THEY DO IT ON THE WINTER SOLSTICE.
AND COUNCILMAN BELI IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
NOT THAT WE HAVE ANY REASON TO DOUBT, DOUBT YOU COUNCILMAN, BUT, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO PASS AWAY AND ARE HOMELESS ARE, ARE SO MUCH YOUNGER AND, UH, THERE ARE DOZENS OF THEM THAT PASS AWAY EVERY YEAR, UH, ALONE.
SO, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD.
UH, SO, UM, SO I MOVE TO, UM, ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THERE'S A MOTION, UH, AND A SECOND TO, UH, ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TO CONTINUE THE CURRENT COURSE.
AND I I YOU'RE GONNA REPORT BACK MELODY, UH, AT SOME POINT WHERE, WHERE WILL THAT GO? GO AHEAD.
I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY COMING BACK IN JANUARY TO A SUBCOMMITTEE OR,
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UM, TO THIS COMMITTEE WOULD WHATEVER YOU WOULD PREFER.UM, I THINK MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT WAS, UH, PART OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY HEALTH AND EQUITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT SURE, UH, COLLEAGUES, IF YOU HAVE INPUT ON THAT, BUT THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE WOULD BE FINE, UH, AS DETERMINED BY STAFF.
UH, I, I THINK WE, UH, ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN IT DOES COME TO HOMELESSNESS ISSUES.
I THINK IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER THAT ECHOES THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND EQUITY OR TO COUNCILMAN TREVINO'S, UH, COMMITTEE ON, UM, I FORGET THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
THAT'S SORT OF THE, WHAT, WHAT I'M POSING THE STAFF.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD VIEW IT THROUGH A HOUSING LENS, BUT WE CAN ALSO VIEW IT THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A PUBLIC HEALTH MM-HMM.
SO, UM, I WOULD BE SATISFIED IF, UH, EITHER ONE OF THOSE CONCLUSIONS, MELODY, YOU GUYS DRAW
UM, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TAKING MOST OF THE HOMELESS, UM, INITIATIVES TO CULTURE AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT HOLDS UP A STAFF RECOMMENDATION ANYWAY.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THANK YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERING IT.
[3. 20-5041 Briefing and possible action on the Council Consideration Request (CCR) from Councilmember Andrews Sullivan to ban the practice of the lateral vascular neck restraint (LVNR) within the San Antonio Police Department (SAPD). [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
THE SECOND TWO ITEMS, UM, ARE FROM CCRS, UH, AUTHORED BY COUNCILMEMBER, UH, JADA ANDREWS SULLIVAN, WHO WE HAVE HERE WITH US TODAY.UM, BUT LET ME FIRST JUST, UH, TURN IT OVER TO, IS IT YOU ERIC, OR CHIEF GONNA PRESENT? UH, I'LL, I'LL OPEN IT UP AND THEN HAND IT OVER TO THE CHIEF AND, AND HE'S GOT TWO, TWO SHORT PRESENTATIONS ON BOTH OF THEM.
UM, SO, UH, TWO, TWO CCRS, UH, NO CHOKE POLICY, UM, C C R AND NO KNOCK WARRANT, C C R.
AND BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE ON TOMORROW'S PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, COUNCIL COMMITTEE AGENDA.
SO THEY'LL BE DISCUSSED BY THE COMMITTEE TOMORROW.
AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE, WE OUT, WE SHARE THIS WITH THE, WITH THE COMMITTEE TOMORROW AS WELL.
I, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF GROUNDWORK THAT I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, THESE ISSUES, UH, IN BOTH OF THESE CASES, UM, AND, UH, CHOKE HOLDS WERE BARRED OR BANNED, UH, BY POLICY IN TWO, 2014 AFTER THE ERIC GARNER INCIDENT IN NEW YORK CITY.
UM, AND ADJUSTMENTS MADE IN HOW WE TRAIN AND THE CHIEF WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UM, NO KNOCK WARRANTS WERE SUSPENDED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR BY THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE POLICIES IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REWRITTEN FOR OUR GENERAL MANUAL.
AND THE CHIEF WILL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF WARRANTS THAT IN THE PAST, UH, WE'VE UTILIZED ONE FOR, FOR, UM, UH, ARREST WARRANTS AND ONE FOR SEARCH WARRANTS.
UM, O OBVIOUSLY IN BOTH CASES, UM, AND MORE SO WITH THE CHOKE HOLD.
UM, OUR DEESCALATION POLICY AND TRAINING IS CRITICAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT CHOKE HOLDS, BUT IT'S ABOUT USE OF FORCE AND, UH, HOW WE, UH, TRAIN OFFICERS AND WHAT OUR POLICIES LOOK LIKE.
UM, THE, THE, ALTHOUGH NOT DONE YET, UH, THE CHIEF DID BRING IN AN OUTSIDE, UM, CONSULTANT WHO IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING ALL OF OUR USE OF FORCE POLICIES, UM, AND, UM, WILL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON ADJUSTMENTS TO POLICY AS WELL AS TRAINING.
AND IN ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY IS A, A BEST PRACTICE TO DO.
SO THAT WE'RE CONTINUOUSLY MONITORING, UH, KIND OF THAT ASPECT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT, UH, WE ARE, UH, NOT ONLY PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, BUT UH, EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS WITH ALL USE OF FORCE, UM, IF NOT APPLIED CORRECTLY BY THE OFFICER, UH, THAT OFFICER, UH, CAN BE DISCIPLINED AND OR CRIMINALLY CHARGED DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION.
SO, UH, THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME BROAD STATEMENTS THAT APPLY TO MORE THAN JUST WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN THE CONTEXT OF, UH, OF THE ISSUE.
SO, AS ERIC MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF A C C R THAT, UH, DISTRICT TWO COUNCIL MEMBER J ANDREW SULLIVAN HAD SUBMITTED, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ON THE 17TH OF JUNE, UH, TO BAND THE PRACTICE OF, UH, L V R N OR THE LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINTS HOLD.
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UM, AT THE CORE OF OUR TRAINING FOR USE OF FORCE, AT THE CORE OF OUR TRAINING FOR USE OF FORCE, UH, IS DEESCALATION AND THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, CORE OF AN OFFICER'S RESPONSIBILITY, UH, WHEN USING FORCE IS TO PROTECT US, UH, HUMAN LIFE AND, AND THE PHYSICAL SAFETY OF, OF THEMSELVES AND THIRD PARTIES.SO, UH, I'M SORRY, BACK, BACK AT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO, OFFICERS, NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF SITUATION THEY GET IN, WHETHER IT'S A A, A VERBAL TYPE ENCOUNTER OR, OR A PHYSICAL TYPE ENCOUNTER, OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO DEESCALATE AND THEY DO DEESCALATE THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, THEIR CONVERSATION, THROUGH THEIR TACTICS, THROUGH THEIR VERBAL PERSUASION, UM, AND, AND, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY CAN COME UP WITH THAT, THAT WILL DEESCALATE THE SITUATION.
OUR CURRENT POLICY, UH, AS, AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WAS, UH, ENACTED BACK IN 2014, WHICH BANS ANY KIND OF STRANGLEHOLD, UH, UNLESS DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE NECESSARY AND BE JUSTIFIED.
SO, UH, AND DEADLY FORCE IS ONLY AUTHORIZED, PROTECT THE PUBLIC OR A POLICE OFFICER FROM WHAT IS REASONABLY BELIEVED TO BE AN IMMEDIATE THREAT OF DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY TO, TO EITHER THE THIRD PARTY OR THE POLICE OFFICER.
UM, WE, WE, UH, WE ADJUSTED OUR POLICIES EARLY ON TO MEET THE CAMPAIGN, ZERO REQUIREMENT OF EIGHT, CAN'T WAIT.
UH, ALL THOSE POLICIES, UM, THAT, UH, THAT WE ADJUSTED WERE RECENTLY APPROVED BY CAMPAIGN ZERO AND EIGHT.
UM, OUR, OUR CURRENT POLICY IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE US CONFERENCE OF, OF MAYOR'S REPORT.
AND YOU CAN SEE A, A LIST OF BULLET POINTS THERE.
THE ONE I WANT TO FOCUS ON IS NOT USE CHOKE HOLDS, STRANGLE HOLES, OR ANY OTHER CAROTID RESTRAINT UNLESS DEADLY FORCE IS NECESSARY.
THAT'S EXACTLY HOW OUR POLICY READS.
SO ALL OF OUR USE OF FORCE IS REPORTED, IT'S REPORTED UP THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, UH, UH, UP TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
AND IF USE OF, IF THE USE OF FORCE POLICY IS VIOLATED, IT'S INVESTIGATED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND EITHER CORRECTIVE ACTION IS TAKEN AND OR IT IS REFERRED TO THE DA'S OFFICE FOR CRIMINAL REVIEW.
UM, BACK TO OUR L LR L V N R POLICY, OUR POLICY IS AUTHORIZED ONLY IN SITUATIONS WHERE THE USE OF FORCE WOULD BE JUSTIFIED.
SO IF AN OFFICER IS, IS, IS JUSTIFIED IN USING HIS OR HER FIREARM, THEY'RE ALSO AUTHORIZED TO USE AN L V N R.
AND ANY OFFICER WHO USES THAT FOR ANY FORCE THAT'S NOT AUTHORIZED, AS I MENTIONED, IS SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINE AND POSSIBLE CRIMINAL SANCTIONS.
SO OUR CURRENT S A P PROHIBITION, I BELIEVE WE BELIEVE MEETS THE SPIRIT OF THE C C R AND IS AS, UH, THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WE PERIODICALLY REVIEW OUR USE OF FORCE TRAINING AND OUR USE OF FORCE, UH, POLICIES.
AND THAT IS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW BY AN OUTSIDE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
AND THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND I'M READY FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS AGAIN WAS A C C R AUTHORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER JADA ANDREW SULLIVAN, WHO HAS JOINED US, UH, TODAY.
SO LET ME GIVE, UH, THE FLOOR OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN BEFORE WE, WE BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU TO ALL MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, UM, WHO WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT ME ON THE DRAFT OF THE C C R.
UM, THE REASON WHY THE C C R WAS DRAFTED WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER SANDRA BLAND, ERIC GARDNER OR GEORGE FLOYD.
INSTEAD OF 20% OF ALL CASES THAT WERE UNDER THE CHOKE HOLD RULE WAS PART OF THE 2010 TO 2015, MAKE UP THAT THAT REPORT AND SAN ANTONIO BLACKS ONLY MAKE UP 7% OF THE SAN ANTONIO POPULATION.
THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE A COMPLETE BAN IS AS A UNITED STATES ARMY VETERAN, WE LEARN HOW TO DO TACTICAL PROCEDURES IN THE CASE OF HARM AND DANGER.
IN ORDER FOR US TO BE THAT CLOSE TO AN INDIVIDUAL, LESS ALONE, STANDING BEHIND THEIR BACK DOES NOT PROVE TO BE A FORM OF HARM OR DANGER.
THIS C C R IS DRAFTED TO CLOSE THE EXCEPTIONS AND THE LOOPHOLES
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THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR SYSTEM WHEN IT COMES TO CHOKE HOLDS AND THE L V R PROCEDURES.THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO BE AN EXAMPLE ON HOW TO PROPERLY DEESCALATE OR DEESCALATE A SITUATION WITHOUT THE USE OF ANY FORM OF A CHOKE HOLD OR L V R.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE PUSHED FORWARD.
AND I'M ASKING FOR THE SUPPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE NO EXCEPTIONS OR LOOPHOLES IN THIS POLICY.
COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
OKAY, LET'S, UH, BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION.
UH, QUESTION IS NOW ON, UH, THE C C R, UH, RELATED TO BANNING OF CHOKE HOLDS.
UH, WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ.
AND, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UH, OUR STAFF'S WORKED TOGETHER EARLY ON TO WORK ON SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, UM, BUT THE REASON I, EARLY ON, I SAID, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A C C R FOR THAT.
UM, AND SO CHIEF, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, I GUESS, BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AND WHAT THE PREVIOUS, UM, UH, POLICY WAS? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, UM, WHILE I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, I JUST, UM, THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DISTINCTION IS.
THE, THE DISTINCTION IS WE HAVE BAN L V N R IN ALL CASES, EXCEPT WHERE DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE JUSTIFIED.
THE C C R ONCE, ONCE THAT EXCEPTION REMOVES FROM OUR POLICY TO SAY ACROSS THE BOARD THAT YOU SIMPLY CANNOT USE AN L V N R IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
BUT WHEN AN OFFICER'S FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIFE, LIFE OR TO SAVE THE LIFE OF SOMEONE ELSE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE GROUND.
THEY'RE GRAPPLING IF, UH, THE, THE, UH, PERSON HAS GRABBED THE OFFICER'S GUN OR STRUGGLING TO GET A WEAPON FROM THEM.
UH, TO SAY THAT, THAT AN OFFICER CANNOT USE AN L V N R IN A LIFE AND DEATH SITUATION, I THINK IS, UH, UH, IS, IS, UH, UH, UH, AN OVERREACH.
UH, AND SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S, UH, WHERE I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD THAT IN PLACE ALREADY, THAT YOU, THAT COULD NOT BE USED.
SO WHAT, IN, IN THE SCENARIO THAT YOU MENTIONED, I MEAN, I GUESS HOW DOES THAT, BECAUSE DOESN'T THE OFFICER ALWAYS SAY THAT THEIR LIVES WERE IN DANGER WHENEVER FORCES USED? I MEAN, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, IN FACT, IT'S IN THE REPORT, UH, THAT YOU ALL READ TO US.
I THINK THE LINE IN THERE IS THE OFFICER'S LIFE WAS THREATENED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MA'AM, WHEN DEAD, WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS USED, YES.
THAT IS REQUIREMENT FOR AN OFFICER TO USE DEADLY FORCE.
SO, SO, SO IF AN OFFICER IS EXPLAINING IN A REPORT WHY DEADLY FORCE WAS USED, THEY'RE GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT, THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEIR LIFE WAS IN DANGER AND THEY HAVE TO ARTICULATE WHY THEY JUST CAN'T SAY IT AND, AND THAT THERE NOT BE A GOOD REASON.
SO THEY HAVE TO ARTICULATE WHY THEY BELIEVE THEIR LIFE WAS IN DANGER.
UM, SO YES, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT, THAT, THAT STATEMENT IS TYPICALLY IN A USE OF DEADLY FORCE REPORT.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I, AM I JUST, UH, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THIS SCENARIOS THAT WE'RE FACING TODAY, UM, I GUESS CHIEF, YOU'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
UM, C C R I GUESS YOU DON'T SUPPORT, IT'S NOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S COMING FROM, UM, THE COUNCIL WHO'S ASKING, UH, YOU TO MAKE CHANGES.
UM, UH, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE OFFICER COULD STILL USE OTHER MEANS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SEEMS LIKE WHAT HAPPENS HERE MOST OFTEN IN SAN ANTONIO, OR AT LEAST WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT, UH, IS USING TASER WEAPONS OR, OR JUST THEIR FIREARMS. SO IF, IF NONE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
WELL, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BANNED FROM USING CHOKE HOLDS, BUT THEY COULD STILL USE A TASER OR USE THEIR GUNS IF THEY FELT THAT THEIR LIVES WERE IN DANGER.
SO, I MEAN, REMOVING THAT CHOKE HOLD DOESN'T NECESSARILY REMOVE OTHER ALTERNATIVE.
IT, IT DOESN'T, BUT IF THAT'S THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT'S, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE OFFICER, GIVEN WHAT TYPE OF SITUATION THEY'RE IN, I, I THINK IT'S A,
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A SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER SAFETY ISSUE TO REMOVE, UM, AN OFFICER'S ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SAVE A LIFE BY RESTRICTING AN L V N R WHEN OTHERWISE DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE NECESSARY.I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES.
AND THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THE PRESENTATION AND, AND THANK YOU COUNCIL ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UM, I, I WAS READING THROUGH THE, UH, CONFERENCE OF MAYOR'S DOCUMENT THAT YOU LISTED IN THE, UM, AGENDA AT THE BOTTOM OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
SO THANK YOU FOR SENDING THAT.
AND, UH, IT MADE FOR SOME GREAT READING.
FIRST, UM, IN, IN THERE IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT HOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY RECOMMEND DEESCALATION.
HOW MANY HOURS OF DEESCALATION CAN YOU REMIND ME, CHIEF, DO OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH COUNCIL MEMBER? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OF HOURS, BUT IT IS INCORPORATED INTO EVERY BLOCK OF TRAINING THAT WE HAVE.
AND AS, UH, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, WHEN I GAVE MY PRESENTATION ON THE BUDGET, TALKED ABOUT, UM, TRAINING AND EDUCATION, AND WE ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE THINGS LIKE THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS THROUGH, THROUGH VIRTUAL TRAINING.
SO THAT'LL BE THE, THAT WOULD BE THE CHANGE COMING UP ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE A DEESCALATION POLICY ALREADY, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, UH, WHAT DO WE, HOW DO WE DEFINE PEER INTERVENTION? BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED WAS REFERENCED IN THE DOCUMENT.
IT WAS ADDITIONAL PEER INTERVENTION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR PEER INTERVENTION.
THAT'S ALSO IN OUR POLICY THAT IF AN OFFICER SEES ANOTHER OFFICER, UH, ENGAGED IN, IN, UH, AN EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO INTERVENE AND THEN REPORT IT.
UH, AND SO I GUESS THE QUESTION, THE, THE REASON THAT I WAS ASKING THAT IS, SO IF THEY INTERVENE, IT WOULD BE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL TO HELP THE OFFICER OUT.
WHO, WHO ARE THEY INTERVENING ON BEHALF OF? IF, IF A IF AN OTHER OFFICER SEES AN OFFICER ENGAGING IN EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE, OVERLY HEAVY HANDED, THEN THAT OFFICER'S REQUIRED TO INTERVENE ON BEHALF OF THE PERSON THAT THE FORCE IS BEING USED UPON.
UM, DO WE REPORT ALL, WE DO REPORT ALL USE OF FORCE SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? LIKE ON, ON OUR WEBSITE? YES, MA'AM.
IT, WE, THE, THE, THE FIRST THING IS THE OFFICER IS REQUIRED TO REPORT THAT.
UH, AND, AND IT GOES UP IN, IN A SOFTWARE PROGRAM THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT.
UH, IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF POLICY, IT'S INVESTIGATED, IT GOES OVER TO THE, UH, CITIZEN COMPLAINT AND REVIEW BOARD, OR CITIZEN, THE COMPLAINT AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD, UH, FOR A FINDING.
AND THEN IT EVENTUALLY COMES UP TO ME.
UM, SO, UM, I THINK I, I THINK, I DON'T THINK I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION THERE.
WELL, IT'S A, IT'S, I'M, I'M TRYING, SO, BUT IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE SOMEWHERE.
WE COULD SEE THAT, CORRECT? I BELIEVE IT, YES, MA'AM.
SO I, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF HOURS FOR DEESCALATION.
DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT ARE OFFICERS TRAIN ON FOR CRISIS INTERVENTION? I BELIEVE IT.
CRISIS INTERVENTION IS THEY, THEY DO 40 HOURS, 40 HOURS IN THE ACADEMY.
IF THEY DIDN'T GET IT BEFORE THEY GET OUT OF THE ACADEMY, THEY DO 40 HOURS, UM, IN ANOTHER TRAINING SETTING.
UM, AND THEN CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BALTIMORE, BALTIMORE USES, UM, A WARNING BEFORE THEY USE, UH, A DEADLY FORCE.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? THAT, THAT, THAT'S IN OUR, THAT'S IN OUR POLICY, UH, UPDATE.
UM, WE ARE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE A WARNING BEFORE USING DEADLY FORCE, CORRECT? OH, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF IT IS, IF THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF.
AND, AND THE WARNING IS JUST TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND, AND THEY LITERALLY WOULD SAY, I'M ABOUT TO USE DEBBIE FORCE IF YES, MA'AM.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANY, ANY SUCH LANGUAGE, DROP YOUR GUN OR I'M GONNA SHOOT, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHE GARCIA, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL.
I, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS AGENDA FOR TOMORROW'S, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.
SO REGARDLESS OF US TAKING A MOTION OR NOT, IT WOULD BE HEARD THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD, UH, AFFIRM,
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UH, MOVING IT FORWARD TO PUBLIC SAFETY TODAY IN THE GOVERNANCE MEETING.WELL, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT THIS ITEM BE TAKEN TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, SO CHIEF, AT THIS POINT, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY TIMES, UH, A POLICE OFFICER, UH, DOES USE CHOKE HOLDS IN A, IN A GIVEN YEAR OR LVN R WE CAN, YES, WE HAVE THAT.
I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE FOR, FOR TOMORROW'S DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TRACK THIS, BUT HOW OFTEN, UH, IS A MEMBER OF THE FORCE, UH, DO THEY FEEL THAT THEIR LIFE IS IN DANGER AND SORT OF WHAT, UM, WHAT STRATEGIES THEY END UP USING TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, WHETHER IT IS A ER OR A FIREARM OR, UH, OR THE L V N R? UH, ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO REVIEW AT PUBLIC SAFETY IS TELL US ABOUT THE CONSULTANT, UH, THAT YOU'VE HIRED, UH, TO REVIEW THESE, WHAT EXPERTISE THEY BRING.
UM, I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, IS IT THE SAME CONSULTANT THAT YOU USED PREVIOUSLY? IT WAS THE SAME CONSULTANT FOR THE, UM, SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT? YES.
WELL, UH, WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, I REMEMBER RECOMMENDING AT PUBLIC SAFETY THAT IT WOULD ALSO BE, I, I WOULD PREFER IF WE ALSO HAD, UH, LOCAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ALSO, UH, BE PART OF THAT REVIEW IN SOME WAY THAT YOU WOULD RUN IT BY THEM OR GET INPUT FROM THEM.
DO YOU RECALL? AND I THINK YOU PUT TOGETHER A FEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
I'LL, I'LL GO BACK AND, AND LOOK.
AND, AND SO THIS IS WHAT I ASK IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MINNEAPOLIS HAD SOME GREAT POLICIES IN PLACE.
CAN YOU TELL ME IF, IF YOU KNOW OFFHAND, IF NOT, WE CAN DISCUSS TOMORROW AT COMMITTEE MEETING.
WHAT WAS THEIR POLICY RELATED TO L V N R COUNCIL MEMBER? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD BANDED OR NOT.
SO I, I, I CAN'T SAY AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE COULD HAVE GREAT POLICIES WITH WHAT SEEMED TO BE REASONABLE EXCEPTIONS, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MIGHT END UP DYING AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO COMPARE WITH, WITH OTHER CITIES AS, AS WELL.
UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL MY, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
UH, CHIEF AND COUNCILWOMAN, ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S AN, UH, AN IMPORTANT POINT.
UM, WE CAN HAVE THE RIGHT HANDBOOK, UH, AND THE RIGHT POLICIES IN PLACE, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT EXECUTED PO PROPERLY AND THERE'S NOT A PROPER DISCIPLINARY FRAMEWORK, THEN IT'S ALL FOR NOT, UM, I JUST WENT ON THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT WEBSITE, AND IT APPEARS THAT MINNEAPOLIS DOES INDEED BAN SHOW COLDS AND STRANGLE HOLDS.
UM, AND WE SEE WHAT, AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S TAKEN PLACE.
UM, CHIEF, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE, UH, THAT WE RUN INTO FROM TIME TO TIME, AND CERTAINLY WITH THIS ISSUE IS, IS THAT, UM, WHEN THERE ARE CHANGES MADE PROCEDURALLY TO THE WAY THE CITY DOES THINGS IN, IN THIS CASE THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION OR, UH, PEOPLE ARE, ARE, ARE NOT AWARE OF THOSE CHANGES.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, THAT AS, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH REVIEWS OF USE OF FORCE AND DISCIPLINE THAT WE MAKE THAT, UM, WE MAKE THAT KNOWN.
UM, I HAVE ASKED, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VEO HDA, WHO CHAIRS PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, TO HAVE PRESENTED, UM, TO HER COMMITTEE, A OVERALL USE OF FORCE, UH, POLICY REVIEW, AS WELL AS, UM, A REVIEW OF THE TRAINING PROCEDURES FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE CAN SUSS OUT A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENTLY SEE, UH, HAVE THE PUBLIC SEE WHERE, UH, PROGRESS HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE, UH, IF WE'RE UNAWARE OF IT.
UH, BUT I DID WANNA GO BACK TO ONE OF THE SLIDES.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH SLIDE IT WAS, BUT EVERYTHING BOILS DOWN TO, UH, JUSTIFICATION FOR USE OF FORCE.
AND COULD YOU DESCRIBE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS A, WHATEVER IT IS, WHEN AN OFFICER IS PUT IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO MAKE A CALL, UM, TO POSSIBLY END A LIFE IN ORDER TO SAVE A LIFE.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE STANDARD FOR THAT?
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THE STANDARD, UH, MAYOR IS BASED ON A, UH, SUPREME COURT DECISION, UH, GRAHAM V CONNOR BACK IN 1989.AND THAT, THAT DECISION IN, IN KIND OF, IN A NUTSHELL IS THAT THE USE OF FORCE, UH, HAS TO BE GOVERNED.
THE JUSTIFICATION OF USE OF FORCE IS GOVERNED BY, BY THE OFFICER, A REASONABLE OFFICER INVOLVED IN THAT SITUATION.
UH, AND IT, AND IT, IT COVERS, UM, THE TYPE OF OFFENSE THAT, OR THE REASON THE PERSON'S BEING STOPPED, UH, IF IT'S A, A VIOLENT CRIME OR NOT.
UH, HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS WERE THERE? IT'S, IT, IT IS ALL ABOUT WHAT THE OFFICER IS FACING AT THE TIME AND WHAT IN HIS OR HER MIND, UH, THEY PERCEIVED THE THREAT TO BE, AND THE USE OF FORCE THAT'S NECESSARY IF IT'S NECESSARY AT THE TIME.
AND I, I, I GUESS, UM, UH, EVERYONE WOULD AGREE, UH, THAT A CHOKE HOLD IS A FORM OF, OF DEADLY FORCE.
UH, AN L V N R IS A FORM OF DEADLY FORCE.
DOES THAT, UM, DOES THAT STANDARD, UM, APPLY TO SPECIFIC TYPES OF DEADLY FORCE? OR IS THAT JUST A UNIVERSAL STANDARD? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE FIRST, BY THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT'S A, IT IS A STANDARD.
IF, IF, IF YOU'RE JUSTIFIED IN USING DEADLY FORCE, YOU'RE JUSTIFIED IN DOING PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO SAVE YOUR LIFE OR THE LIFE OF A THIRD PARTY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A FIREARM, IF IT'S A PIPE.
I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, IF YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO SAVE YOUR LIFE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
OR THE LIFE OF A THIRD PARTY TO, TO, TO REINFORCE THAT.
UM, YES, THE CHIEF IS CORRECT.
THERE'S NO DIFFERENT STANDARDS DEPENDING ON WHAT USE OF FORCE, WHAT USE OF FORCE TOOL YOU'RE USING.
IT APPLIES UNIFORMLY ACROSS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
UM, AND SO I GUESS THAT THAT'S WHERE THE QUANDARY IS.
AND, UH, FOR ANY OF THE, THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING WITH USE OF FORCE IS THAT IF, IF THAT STANDARD ISN'T MET EITHER IN THE PUBLIC'S EYES OR IN THE COURT'S EYES, THEN WE FAILED.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MADE THE DETERMINATION AS A POLICE CHIEF THAT WITH CHOKE HOLD BEING A FORM OF DEADLY FORCE, WE SHOULDN'T BE USING THEM.
WE SHOULDN'T BE TRAINING ON 'EM.
UH, THEY SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE, UH, PROCESS FOR POLICE OFFICER, UM, AT ALL.
UM, UNLESS THEY'RE PUT IN THE POSITION OF, UM, THEY'RE, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THEY CAN DO TO SAVE A LIFE.
UM, SO LET ME ASK, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL ASKED IS, IS ALSO APPROPRIATE, HOW OFTEN IS IT BEING USED? UM, HOW MANY INCIDENTS ARE, ARE WE SEEING SINCE YOU BANNED THEM? I, CHIEF YOU'RE MUTED AGAIN.
UH, UM, IT'S RARE, UH, MAYOR, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, UH, COME UP ON MY DESK, UM, SINCE I, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST ONE I'VE SEEN.
SO, UM, THEN MY LAST TWO QUESTIONS ARE THEN, UM, IF A POLICE OFFICER USES, UM, THIS TECHNIQUE, UM, AND IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, UH, WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LOCAL STANDARD.
WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT THE COURT STANDARD.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT OFFICER, THAT OFFICER WOULD FACE SOME TYPE OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION.
UM, AND I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU ACROSS THE BOARD THAT SOMEONE WHO USES AN L V N R, UH, IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY GONNA GET FIRED.
I'D HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH IT WAS USED BEFORE I WOULD RENDER ANY DECISION.
WELL, I, I, I GUESS IT TO JUST AS A STATEMENT, UM, THEN IT SHOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENTLY, UM, THAN AN OFFICER, UM, UNJUSTIFIED FIRING HIS WEAPON AT SOMEONE.
UM, IS THAT, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.
AND THEN, AND THEN MY, MY LAST QUESTION THEN IS WE HAVE A DUTY TO INTERVENE, UM, IF A, AN AN OFFICER WITNESSES ANOTHER OFFICER USING A CHOKE HOLD, UM, WHERE THAT IS
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NOT THE ONLY THING THE OFFICER CAN DO TO SUBDUE A SUSPECT OR TO SAVE A LIFE.UM, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT WITNESSING OFFICER IF HE DOES NOT INTERVENE? MAYOR, THE, THE, THE, THE SITUATION THAT POPS INTO MY MIND WHEN YOU GIVE THAT EXAMPLE IS IF, IF A, IF AN OFFICER, ANOTHER OFFICER WERE STANDING THERE UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT HIS PARTNER OR HER PARTNER COULD U COULD JUSTIFIABLY USE THEIR FIREARM IN DEFENSE OF A LIFE, BUT INSTEAD THEY USED A CHOKE HOLD, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD, NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN TO THAT OFFICER, I THINK YOU SAID, IF IT'S UNJUSTIFIED UN.
UNLESS, UNLESS IT WAS UNJUSTIFIED AND THEN THEY WOULD FACE IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS IF IT IS NOT JUSTIFIED THAT A, A WEAPON SHOULD BE USED, UH, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A CHOKEHOLD SHOULD NOT BE USED, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO A OFFICER WHO DOES NOT INTERVENE IN THAT SITUATION? THEY WOULD BE BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I, AGAIN, I SUPPORT WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, UH, OVERALL, UM, APPROACHES HERE.
AND, AND IT SOUNDS TO ME AS IF YOU'VE DONE SOME CHANGES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT ALREADY THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED FOR THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND, AND SO, UH, I, I DO SUPPORT MOVING THIS FORWARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION TO THE, TO THE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TOMORROW.
BUT I THINK ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY GRAPPLE WITH IS HOW WE INTERPRET THE STANDARD FOR USE OF FORCE, WHICH APPLIES TO CHOKE, CHOKE, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRING OF A WEAPON AND, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY END SOMEBODY'S LIFE.
I SEE YOUR HAND WOODS RAISED NOW.
YEAH, I'M KIND OF, I KIND OF STAND WITH, UH, SOME OF YOUR THEORY THERE.
UH, I JUST, IT'S A NO-WIN SITUATION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT SAYING THAT A CHOKE HOLD IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL WOULD STOP, UH, A POLICE OFFICER FROM USING IT IF HE THOUGHT IT COULD SAVE HIS OWN LIFE.
UH, AND THE SAME THING AS IF IT IS AUTHORIZED AS A TECHNIQUE, AGAIN, IF IT CAN SAVE HIS LIFE, UH, IT'S, HE'S GONNA USE IT.
NOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, IF SOMEBODY'S STANDING BY AND WATCHING IT HAPPEN, THEN IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ANOTHER OFFICER THERE WHO COULD HOLD UP A GUN, SHOULD THAT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, REFRAIN WHOEVER'S HURTING THE OFFICER.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE A JURY TRIAL THAT'S GONNA DECIDE.
I MEAN, THE, THE CHIEF CAN FIRE SOMEBODY FOR VIOLATING A POLICY THAT WE PUT IN EFFECT, AND HE'S GONNA GO TO A COURT, AND THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A COURT IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD FIND SOMEBODY GUILTY OF CHOKING SOMEBODY TO DEATH IF THEY SAID, AS A POLICE OFFICER, I WAS TRYING TO SAVE MY LIFE.
UH, NOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER OFFICER THERE AS A WITNESS, YOU KNOW, THAT OFFICER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INTERVENE AND STOP IT.
UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT, I JUST SEE THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT AS A NO-WIN SITUATION FOR ANYBODY.
WE CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOKS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA STOP SOMEBODY FROM USING IT IF THEY BELIEVE IT'S GONNA SAVE THEIR LIFE OR THE LIFE OF SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND, AND I GUESS THAT, GO AHEAD, CHIEF.
UH, MAYOR, IF I, IF I CAN ADD, WE DO NOT TRAIN TO USE THE L V N R THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR TRAINING CURRICULUM.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL, IS YOUR HAND RAISED? YES, SIR.
UM, I HAD, UH, A SIMILAR COMMENT TO COUNCILMAN COURAGE ABOUT HAVING MORE THAN ONE OFFICER PRESENT.
AND IT SEEMS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO JUSTIFICATION FOR AN L V N R, BUT HE, BUT HE IS.
UH, WHATEVER WE PUT ON, ON THE BOOKS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE, SOMETHING WILL GO TO, TO COURT.
AND I, OF COURSE, I DON'T SUPPORT THE IDEA OF SANCTIONING AN L V N R.
UM, SO I, I, I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, OF, OF PURSUING THE C C R AT PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT CALL ME NAIVE, BUT I THINK WE'RE MISSING PART OF THE PICTURE HERE IS HOW DO WE AVOID HAVING OUR OFFICERS BE IN THIS SITUATION TO BEGIN WITH.
LIKE, IF SOMEONE IS USING AN L V N R, THEN DEESCALATION HAS FAILED.
SO I THINK WHAT WE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC SAFETY IS ALSO SEE HOW EFFECTIVE, EFFECTIVE DEESCALATION IS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RESORT TO SOMETHING LIKE L V N R.
SO THAT, THAT WAS JUST A COMMENT I WANTED TO, TO SHARE.
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AND I, I THINK THAT ILLUSTRATES, UM, THE POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IN 2014, CHIEF YOU SAID YOU, YOU ENDED THE USE OF CHOKE HOLDS IN SAN ANTONIO AS A RESULT OF ERIC GARNER, UM, BEING CHOKED, UH, TO DEATH.UM, ERIC GARNER WAS IN THE PRESENCE OF FOUR OFFICERS WHEN HE HAD THAT TECHNIQUE USED AND WAS KILLED.
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT, UM, CHOKE HOLDS ARE NOT USED IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? UM, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK, UH, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN HAS BEFORE IS, IS, IS AN, IS AN INTENDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SITUATIONS DON'T HAPPEN.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S A, IT IS A BROADER CONVERSATION AS COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL SAID.
UM, SO, UH, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION AT, UM, AT PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREWS SULLIVAN.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM YOU ON THIS ONE? I KNOW YOU HAVE THE NEXT ONE AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA THANK, CHIEF, I WANNA THANK ALL OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR VERY THOUGHTFUL AND INSIGHTS INTO, UH, THE C C R, BECAUSE THE, THE QUESTION THAT STILL REMAINS IS, IF THERE WAS A FEAR OF LIFE IN ERIC GARDNER'S CASE, IF THERE WAS A FEAR OF LIFE IN SANDRA BLAND'S CASE, IF THERE WAS A FEAR OF LIFE IN GEORGE FLOYD'S CASE, WHEN YOUR HANDS ARE BEHIND YOUR BACK AND YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE POSITION OF SUBMISSION, THAT IS WHAT THE CONVERSATION CONTINUES TO BE.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS TO GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
OKAY, SO THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR, UH, UH, MOVING THE, UM, C C R DISCUSSION BANNING OF CHOKEHOLD, UH, DISCUSSION TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[4. 20-5040 Briefing and possible action on the Council Consideration Request (CCR) from Councilmember Andrews Sullivan for the immediate documented discontinuation and banning of “No-Knock” warrants and procedures in the San Antonio Police Department (SAPD) Manual. [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
IS ALSO A C C R, AUTHORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.UH, CHIEF, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU TOO.
UM, SO ON ON JUNE 22ND, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN SUBMITTED ANOTHER, UH, C C R, UH, TALKING ABOUT NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
AND I WANT TO REVIEW, UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WARRANTS ARE SERVED, WHAT TYPES OF WARRANTS THEY ARE, AND THE, UH, THE DANGERS THAT SOME OF THESE WARRANTS PRESENT WHEN THEY'RE BEING SERVED.
SO WE, WE'VE GOT TWO TYPES OF WARRANTS.
WE'VE GOT ARREST WARRANTS, AND WE'VE GOT SEARCH WARRANTS.
THE ARREST WARRANTS, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE CONSIDERED HIGH RISKS ARE FOR, UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WANTED FOR VIOLENT CRIMES OR HAVE A VIOLENT HISTORY.
AND THEN FOR SEARCH WARRANTS, WE HAVE, UM, HIGH RISK SEARCH WARRANTS AS WELL, AGAIN, BASED ON THE SUSPECT'S HISTORY, WHETHER IT'S VIOLENT OR, UH, WHETHER THEY HAVE A PROPENSITY TO CARRY FIREARMS OR NOT.
AND THEN ON THE, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE NUMBER FOUR, UM, WE'VE SEEN A DECREASING NUMBER OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, UH, AT LEAST SINCE 2017.
AND THE NUMBERS GO DOWN TO, UH, NUMBER EIGHT.
IT, THE, THE, THESE, UH, THESE STATS ARE NOT ACTUALLY UP THROUGH JULY.
JULY IS SIMPLY WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE PULLED THE INFORMATION, UH, WE BANNED NO-KNOCK WARRANTS ACROSS THE BOARD BACK IN JUNE.
AND AFTER THAT, THERE WERE NO MORE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE EXECUTED.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WE ARE REVISING OUR POLICIES, OUR GENERAL MANUAL POLICIES TO REFLECT THE CURRENT BAN ON NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
UH, BOTH, BOTH, UH, ARREST WARRANTS AND SEARCH WARRANTS.
SO TYPICALLY ALL ARREST WARRANTS ARE NO-KNOCK, UH, MOST, UH, SEARCH WARRANTS THAT ARE NO-KNOCK ARE BASED ON NARCOTICS CASES.
SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND WHAT WILL BE IN OUR POLICY IS, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A FORM OF DEESCALATION, WE WILL NOT, SO, SO SEARCH WARRANTS ARE OFF THE TABLE.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR ANY KIND OF SEARCH WARRANT.
SO FOR ARREST WARRANTS, WE WILL NOT GO TO A, TO SERVE A SEARCH WARRANT WITHOUT SOME SORT OF ALTERNATE PLAN, UH, OTHER THAN ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING AND ENTRY INTO THE, TO THE PREMISES.
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SO WE WILL HAVE, UM, WE WILL TREAT THEM FOR THE MOST PART, LIKE WE TREAT A BARRICADED SUSPECT.WE WILL SET UP A PERIMETER AND WE WILL USE DEESCALATION TO TRY TO GET THAT INDIVIDUAL TO COME OUT.
WE, WE, WE WENT, UH, WITH AN ARREST WARRANT FOR A MURDER SUSPECT.
WE, WE, UH, LEARNED WHERE THAT PERSON WAS.
WE CALLED UP SOMEONE IN THE HOUSE AND ASKED THEM TO GET THAT PERSON TO COME OUT.
THEY DID, WE ARRESTED 'EM WITHOUT INCIDENT.
THAT'S HOW WE PLAN ON SERVING ARREST WARRANTS.
GOING FORWARD, WILL WE USE SOME, SOME SORT OF ALTERNATIVE METHOD OTHER THAN MAKING FORCED ENTRY, UM, TO MAKE THE ARREST? NOW, THE, THE EXCEPTION TO THAT IS, IS THAT IF THERE IS AN EXIGENT TYPE OF CIRCUMSTANCE, AND THIS IS FOR ARREST WARRANT ONLY IF THERE'S AN EXIGENT TYPE OF CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE SOMEONE IN THAT RESIDENCE OR PREMISE IS BEING, UH, INJURED, UH, BEING KILLED, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE PERSON, UH, WHO'S WANTED SETS THAT PLACE ON FIRE, STARTS SHOOTING OUT THE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, IF THERE'S AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE, WE WILL, IF REQUIRED, MAKE A FORCED ENTRY.
SO, BUT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, NO KNOCK, UH, SERVICE OF WARRANTS ARE OFF THE TABLE, IS OFF THE TABLE.
AND, UH, THOSE POLICIES WILL BE AMENDED BY SEPTEMBER FOUR.
AND, UH, THEY WILL BE A PERMANENT PART OF OUR, UH, OF OUR GENERAL MANUAL.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
THIS IS A, A, UM, C C R AUTHORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UM, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR COUNCIL MEMBER.
AGAIN, I JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN ESCALATING, UM, THESE CCRS AND GETTING THEM TO THE COMMITTEES BECAUSE WE ARE HEARING AND WE'RE ACTING UP ON THE CALLS OF THE COMMUNITY, SO THAT WE AS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, DO NOT, NOT HAVE ANOTHER HASHTAG LIKE MR. ROUNDTREE.
WE DO WANNA DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WITHIN OUR POLICIES, THAT WE CAN MAKE THE COMMUNITY OF SAN ANTONIO A MORE INCLUSIVE AND SAFER PLACE.
AND THAT IS WHAT THESE, THESE CCRS WERE SET OUT TO DO.
SO CHIEF, WE WANNA THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND TRULY STEPPING FORWARD TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE.
UM, WE SAW IT IN THE CASE OF MS. BRIANNA TAYLOR, WHICH BROUGHT US TO MAKING THE C C R.
UM, THE C C R REALLY IS ABOUT SAVING LIVES.
IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING A LIFE THAT IS NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN.
IT IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT SUSPECTS THAT WE ARE PURSUING, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT CAUSING ANY MORE STRESS, TRAUMA, OR ANY OTHER MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS TO A PERSON THAT DOES NOT DESERVE IT.
SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE C C R TO CONTINUE TO BE PUSHED FORWARD, TO MAKE THIS A GOVERNED POLICY SO THAT WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE WILL NOT HAVE A HASHTAG LIKE MS. BREONNA TAYLOR.
COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UH, WE'LL START THE DISCUSSION NOW WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ.
UM, UH, THANK YOU, UM, MAYOR ANNETTE, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE, UM, UP UNTIL RECENTLY, I HAD NEVER HEARD OF A NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
UM, SO CHIEF, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A COUPLE SCENARIOS AND YOU TELL ME IF THIS IS A NO-KNOCK WARRANT, IF THIS IMPLIES THAT THIS IS A NO-KNOCK WARRANT SITUATION.
SO, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UM, A COMMUNITY MEMBER OF MINE SAID THAT HER HUSBAND, UH, HAD IN FACT BEEN DRIVING WELL, INTOXICATED.
UM, AND BECAUSE HE WAS UNDOCUMENTED, UM, HE DIDN'T WANNA GET PULLED OVER.
UH, SO HE WENT HOME, UH, AS QUICKLY AS YOU AS HE COULD GET THERE, UH, AND THEN RAN INTO HIS HOME.
UM, BUT THAT THE OFFICERS PURSUED HIM AND ENDED UP ARRESTING HIM INSIDE THEIR HOME.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UM, AND HE ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, SUBSEQUENTLY GETTING DEPORTED.
THIS IS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SO IS THAT A NO-KNOCK WARRANT THAT THEY WENT INTO HIS HOUSE AND PURSUED HIM? MA'AM, THAT WOULDN'T BE A, A NO-KNOCK SITUATION.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A FRESH PURSUIT OR HOT PURSUIT SITUATION WHERE, UH, A AN INDIVIDUAL IS BEING PURSUED.
HE RUNS INTO A, HE OR SHE RUNS INTO A BUILDING, UH, AND THE OFFICER WHO IS IN FRESH PURSUIT OR HIGH PURSUIT,
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CLOSE ON THEIR TAIL, UH, RUNS IN THE BUILDING AFTERWARDS.UM, OKAY, SO THAT'S JUST, UM, AND I, I UNDERSTAND, MAYOR, THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET A COMMITTEE.
SO I, I'LL TRY NOT TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.
UH, I CAN ALWAYS SIT IN THE COMMITTEE.
I DON'T SIT ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I CAN SIT INTO THE MEETING.
I JUST, BECAUSE I HAD NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE, UM, UNTIL THE BREONNA TAYLOR INCIDENT, BUT I'D NEVER HEARD OF THE SCENARIO IN SAN ANTONIO.
I ONLY KNEW OF A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, AND I THOUGHT, I WONDER IF THAT'S AN ENOUGH WARRANT.
SO IN THAT PARTICULAR SCENARIO, UM, THAT I JUST GAVE YOU, UM, THERE WAS THE OFFICERS, WE WERE, WERE ALLOWED TO GO INSIDE THE HOME BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO GO INSIDE A HOME.
YOU CAN ENTER THE HOME IF YOU'RE IN FRESH PURSUIT, COUNCIL MEMBER OR HOT PURSUIT.
THOSE TERMS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.
AND, AND, UH, CHIEF, I THINK WHAT THE COUNCILMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, UH, ARE APPROVED BY A JUDGE, RIGHT.
AND GIVE THE POLICE THE AUTHORITY.
SO THIS HAS, THAT'S A, A TOTALLY SEPARATE SCENARIO.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE DART? THOSE ARE, THOSE GIVE, UH, HAVE TO HAVE A KNOCK, RIGHT? THEY DON'T JUST GO INTO SOME, UM, INTO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND ENTIRELY WHAT A NO-KNOCK WARRANT IS.
UM, LET, LET, LEMME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
SO LET'S SAY WE GET INFORMATION THAT THERE'S, UM, SOMEONE SELLING NARCOTICS OUT OF A HOUSE, AND WE HAVE AN UNDERCOVER OFFICER OR A CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT THAT COMES AND TELLS US THAT, HEY, THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF GUNS, THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DRUGS, THEY GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CASH, AND THEY'RE SELLING AND DEALING IN THERE LIKE CRAZY.
WELL, WE WOULD TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND A A, A DETECTIVE WOULD WRITE UP AN AFFIDAVIT, TAKE IT TO A JUDGE, AND THE JUDGE WOULD SIGN IT.
AND THE, AND IF THERE, IF THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THE EVIDENCE WOULD BE LOST, MAYBE THEY FLUSH THE DRUGS DOWN THE TOILET, MAYBE THEY THROW THE MONEY IN A FIREPLACE, OR, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THE WEAPONS, BUT IF THERE'S CONCERN THAT EVIDENCE WILL BE DESTROYED, THEN THE OFFICER WOULD, AND THE DETECTIVE WOULD ASK FOR A NO-KNOCK WARRANT, WHICH WOULD GIVE THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE VERY LITTLE TIME TO REACT IF THE POLICE ARE KNOCKING AT THE DOOR SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE A SEARCH WARRANT TO COME IN.
SO, UM, UH, SO YOU KNOW THAT MY HUSBAND IS ALSO, UH, IN CYBERSECURITY AND HE TEACHES, UH, IN HIS CLASSES, UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, IDEA OF NOT, NOT GUNS, BUT DOCUMENTS, RIGHT? OR, UM, THINGS LIKE, UM, SO IN, IN, SO I, I CANNOT, SO THE SCENARIO THAT YOU MENTIONED IS VERY DANGEROUS, THAT THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, THERE'S GUNS, THERE'S DRUGS, BUT IF IN FACT THE PERSON JUST HAS DOCUMENTS THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, LIKE MORE LIKE A WHITE COLLAR CRIME, WOULD THAT APPLY IN EVERY SITUATION OR ONLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, THINGS LIKE WHAT YOU MENTIONED? YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T APPLY IN EVERY SITUATION.
COUNCIL MEMBER, I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD ALL DEPEND ON THE, ON THE SPECIFIC SITUATION.
BUT, BUT OUR, YOU KNOW, MY, MY ISSUE WITH NO-KNOCK SEARCH WARRANTS IS NO PROPERTY IS WORTH ANYONE'S LIFE.
SO THE RISK IS NOT WORTH, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, RECOVERING ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE IN A, IN A PROPERTY CRIME OR A NARCOTICS RELATED CRIME.
THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE BAN NO-KNOCK SEARCH WARRANTS FOR PROPERTY, FOR NARCOTICS OR WHAT CONTRABAND, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT DOCUMENTS? WHAT ABOUT DOCUMENTS LIKE CYBER? LIKE CYBER CRIMES? WE, WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT, WELL, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE JUDGE, BUT WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY APPLY FOR, FOR A NO-KNOCK WARRANT, FOR, FOR DOCUMENTS THAT, THAT, THAT PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT THE F B I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAN US.
WELL, THANK YOU JUST VERY MUCH FOR EXPLAINING IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT EVEN IN DISCUSSING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT WAS.
SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE WE, AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE DON'T TYPICALLY GET INVOLVED IN, UH, THIS KIND OF WORK.
UM, WE TRY TO RELY PRIMARILY ON THE CHIEF, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK CHIEF WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, UH, ICE GOING INTO THE JAILS.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I, IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED.
WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, UM, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO RELY, UM, UH, SOMEWHAT ON, ON YOUR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO GUIDE US IN THESE, UM, THESE SCENARIOS.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, THANK YOU CHIEF FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS UPFRONT BECAUSE,
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UM, WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS NOW ABOUT HOW WE CAN, UH, PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.SO, UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
UM, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO, EVEN IF THERE ARE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ALLOW FOR THE NO-KNOCK WARRANT, WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW DOES THAT PROTECT BREONNA TAYLOR? LIKE, SAY THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE, OR, OR A FUTURE BREONNA TAYLOR, SAY THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE, THEY WERE GONNA GET NARCOTICS, THEY GO INTO THE WRONG HOUSE.
THEY, WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT.
THE, WE HAVE BANNED NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR NARCOTICS FOR ANY KIND OF PROPERTY.
THE ONLY, AND, AND WE, WE WON'T EVEN, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE OUR OFFICE WITH THE INTENT ON MAKING A FORCED ENTRY INTO SOMEONE'S RESIDENCE OR, OR A BUILDING, UH, WITHOUT ANNOUNCING OURSELVES TO, TO EITHER MAKE AN ARREST OR TO RECOVER PROPERTY.
OUR GOAL, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS TO EXTRACT SOMEONE FROM A HOUSE AS WE WOULD DURING A BARRICADE SITUATION.
AND UNLESS SOMEONE IN THAT HOUSE WAS BEING KILLED THAT WERE SETTING THE HOUSE ON FIRE, SOMEONE WAS IN DANGER, WE WOULD NOT MAKE ENTRY.
WE WOULD WAIT THAT PER, WE WOULD STARVE THEM OUT BEFORE WE WENT IN.
SO OUR GOAL IS TO ELIMINATE ALTOGETHER NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE ON THE SCENE OF AN ARREST WARRANT, UH, UH, TRYING TO SERVE AN ARREST WARRANT.
IF EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES PREVAILED, AND, AND AGAIN, SOMEONE STARTED KILLING P SOMEONE INSIDE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE WOULD NOT MAKE FORCED ENTRY.
THAT ONE LITTLE CAVEAT COULD SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES OTHER THAN US JUST SITTING OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, HOPING THAT, UH, THE PERSON COMES OUT AFTER THEY GOT DONE DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO THE PEOPLE INSIDE THAT THEY WERE HARMING.
AND, UH, AND THE PART ABOUT REQUIRING YOU HAVE TO GO TO A JUDGE, RIGHT? UH, YOU HAVE THE AFFIDAVIT AND THEN YOU GO TO THE JUDGE.
SO THAT'S ALL IN THE MANUAL HAVING TO GO TO THE JUDGE.
UM, WELL, SO COUNCILWOMAN, UH, SULLIVAN, I, I HEARD YOU, UM, COMMEND THE CHIEF.
YOU LIKE, UH, WHAT HE IS DONE, UH, I THINK THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE.
UM, IS THIS STILL RECOMMENDED TO GO TO PUBLIC SAFETY, IN YOUR OPINION? YES.
I MOVE TO, UH, SEND THE C C R TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
THERE WAS A MOTION, UH, DID I HEAR A SECOND FOR MOVING, UH, THE DISCUSSION TO PUBLIC SAFETY? OKAY.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHE GARCIA.
UH, CHIEF DOES, UH, BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAVE A SIMILAR POLICY COUNCIL MEMBER? I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE SHERIFF BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I'M GONNA SAY NO.
DOES, UH, WE WE'RE INVOLVED IN SEVERAL, UM, WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES SOMETIMES IN, UH, MAKING RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? WE'RE WE, WERE ON SEVERAL TASK FORCES.
AND, UH, DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE TASK FORCES, UH, HAVE A NO-KNOCK POLICY? I, I DON'T, BUT, BUT WE, WHAT, ANY MEMBER OF OUR DEPARTMENT WHO MAY BE ON THE, A TASK FORCE THAT'S SERVING A NO-KNOCK WARRANT, THEY WON'T PARTICIPATE.
UH, HOW ABOUT THE TEXAS RANGERS? I DON'T KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER OR, UH, YOU KNOW, D E A OR F B I DO.
SO WE MAY BE THE ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT DOES, UNLESS WE CAN FIND OUT OTHERWISE.
I MEAN, THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO FIND OUT.
WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BRING UP BEFORE, UH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE, BECAUSE ADMITTEDLY, SS A P D DOES A LOT, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, UH, THE, A POLICY WHERE YOU CAN JUST BREAK INTO A HOUSE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A NO-KNOCK POLICY, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT THAT INTO EFFECT AND IT'S IN
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THE MANUAL.AND THE ONLY WAY IT COULD BE CHANGED WOULD BE IF A NEW CHIEF CAME ALONG AND DECIDED TO CHANGE IT.
BUT PROBABLY THAT KIND OF A CHANGE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL.
WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? UH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER ON THAT ONE.
IT WOULD PROBABLY, IF, IF, IF A NEW CHIEF CAME IN, UM, AND, AND WANTED TO MAKE A CHANGE, THEN, THEN, UM, THAT COORDINATION WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE MANAGER.
SO IF, IF A, A NEW CHIEF WANTED TO ELIMINATE OR THE NO KNOCK POLICY AND SAY WE CAN HAVE A NO-KNOCK POLICY, YOU'D KNOW, OR THE CITY MANAGEMENT WOULD KNOW AND WOULD PROBABLY INFORM CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD IMAGINE YES.
THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN POLICY.
I'M SURE ANDY WOULD LET US KNOW.
BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A POLICY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES AND THEY, AND THE, THE, THE, UM, THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THE SAME THING TO THE PUBLIC, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALL NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR POLICY WOULD MAKE THAT MUCH OF AN IMPRESSION ON WHAT THE GENERAL PERCEPTION IS ABOUT A POLICY BEING, UH, FORMALIZED LIKE THIS.
AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE MANUAL AND IT'S TAUGHT TO OUR OFFICERS AND IT'S REITERATED TO OUR OFFICERS, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR US TO KNOW WE'RE PROTECTING THE CITIZENS.
YEAH, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, DEESCALATION POLICY, UH, 134 HOURS.
UM, WELL, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK THIS, UM, OBVIOUSLY PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS AVOID, UM, UH, CHARLES ROUNTREE FROM HAPPENING, UH, ANOTHER INCIDENT LIKE THAT IN OUR CITY.
UM, AND I GUESS THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE STILL SEE WITH THE CURRENT PRACTICES THAT IT, THE STANDARD FOR EXITED IN CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, STILL, UH, I THINK NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT AND UNDERSTOOD, UM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT DISCUSSION CAN HAPPEN IN, UH, IN PUBLIC SAFETY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, BUT CLEARLY, UM, I AGREE THAT PROPERTY SHOULD NOT BE A REASON, UM, FOR, UH, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
BUT, UH, MORE THAN THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANY, UM, USE OF THESE WITHOUT, UM, A CLEAR UNDERSTOOD STANDARD.
ERIC, DID YOU JUST RAISE YOUR HAND OR ANDY? I DID.
I HAVE TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS, UH, JUST A REMINDER TO, AGAIN, EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE ACTIVE LITIGATION IN THE ROUNDTREE MATTER AND, UH, THE ROUNDTREE MATTER DOES NOT INVOLVE THE NO, NOT POLICY.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
AND SO, UH, AGAIN, I WOULD ASK US TO JUST REMEMBER THAT AND IF WE WANT TO GO INTO A MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION OF THAT, WE CAN DO THAT AT EXEC.
UH, WELL AGAIN, UM, APPRECIATE THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STEPPING UP WITH THIS, UH, SO WE CAN HAVE IT CLARIFIED FOR, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR US AS A COUNCIL AS WELL.
UM, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE PROGRESS THAT IS MADE, UH, WE DO WANNA INFORM PEOPLE OF ERIC, DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING, MAYOR? I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, DID YOU KNOW, GIVEN THIS, THIS DISCUSSION ON THESE TWO ITEMS, AND THEY'LL BE BOTH ON PUBLIC SAFETY TOMORROW, UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD AND WE'LL WORK ON SENDING THIS TO YOU AND THE REST OF THE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN PUT INTO MOTION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND SOME OF THEM PRIOR TO, UH, GEORGE FLOYD'S KILLING THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD TO RE-SUMMARIZE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, UM, AND, AND, AND BE A GOOD PRIMER FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO SEE ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE PROACTIVELY DEALING WITH, UM, TO INCLUDE OUR WEBSITE AND AVAILABILITY OF DISCIPLINARY INFORMATION.
AND I, I, I, I THINK THAT, THAT THIS, THIS CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON KIND OF REINFORCES IN MY HEAD THAT, THAT, UH, WE NEED TO PUT THAT BACK INTO WRITING IN A FORMAL WAY BACK TO YOU AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL SO THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, THANK YOU ERIC, AND THANK YOU CHIEF AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO CLOSE
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UP WITH? APOLOGIZE, I THINK CHIEF WAS, WAS TRYING TO CHIME IN.UM, I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
I AM CERTAINLY ON THE SAME PAGE AS COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, UH, ABOUT THE SAFETY, UM, OF BOTH THE, THE, THE WARRANT, UH, THE WARRANT SERVICE AND THE, AND THE CHOKE CALLS.
AND IT'S OUR GOAL TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP EVERYBODY AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE SO WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE LITTLE CAVEAT THAT I THINK IS, HAS GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A WEDGE BETWEEN US RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN GET, GET THROUGH THAT.
UH, THANK YOU CHIEF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND OF COURSE THEIR INSIGHT AS WE GO FORWARD.
UM, I JUST LIKE THAT WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN HEAR WHAT STEPS WERE TAKEN AND THEN TO THANK CHIEF ON, ON BEING PROACTIVE WITH THE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
BUT DEFINITELY I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME, THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO NOT ONLY PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, BUT TO PROTECT THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
AND IF THAT IS MORE TRAINING OR MORE UNDERSTANDING OF, OF PROPER DEESCALATION AS WE GO FORWARD, THEN THAT'S THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE AS A COUNCIL AND WITH OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE MAKING GREAT STRIDES TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE TRULY HERE TO LISTEN TO THEIR CRIES AND DO THE BEST THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE POLICIES WORK FOR EVERYONE.
UH, AND WELL STATED THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE, UH, FORWARD THE DISCUSSION, UH, ON, UH, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS TO TOMORROW'S PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S IT FOR OUR AGENDA TODAY.
UH, THANK YOU CHIEF, UM, AND, UH, CITY MANAGERS, UH, FOR YOUR, YOUR, UH, PRESENTATIONS AND THANK YOU, YOUR COLLEAGUES.
I, I THINK THAT IS, UH, THAT MEANS WE'RE ADJOURNED.