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COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR JOINING US TODAY FOR ONE OF MANY, UH, IMPORTANT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN SHAPING THE FUTURE OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN SAN ANTONIO.
[1. Approval of minutes from the Public Safety Committee meeting on June 18, 2020 1]
THE FIRST ITEM IN OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 18TH MEETING.DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND, UM, WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
THE JUNE 18TH MEETING, UH, MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
[2. 20-5056 Approval of minutes from the Public Safety Committee meeting on June 20, 2020]
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 20TH MEETING.SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND HAVE BEEN MADE.
JUNE 20TH MEETINGS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
[3. 20-5057 Approval of minutes from the Public Safety Committee meeting on June 24, 2020]
NEXT ITEM IN OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 24TH MEETING.DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOTION TO APPROVE.
JUNE 24TH MEETING HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
[Public Comment]
NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL COMMENTS NOW AS OPPOSED TO, UM, BEFORE EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.
SO THE SPEAKERS TODAY THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S PUBLIC SAFETY AGENDA, PLEASE DO SO.
WILL EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK? WE'RE GOING TO START WITH KAYLA MIRANDA.
UM, I THINK, IS KAYLA CALLING IN OR? YEAH, SHE'S ON THE LINE.
KAYLA, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
IS THIS TIME TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I WANTED TO SPEAK ON, UH, BOTH THE, THE NO JOKE AND THE NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
UM, I, I WAS ON THE MEETING YESTERDAY, THE GOVERNOR MEETING IT, AND I HEARD A LOT OF THE COMMENTS.
UM, I JUST WANNA STRESS THAT IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A POLICE OFFICER MAY NOT HAVE, UH, ALL THE NECESSARY KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.
AND I'M GONNA USE MY FAMILY AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, MY YOUNGER BROTHER, HE IS TWO YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME, SO HE'S 35, AND HE WAS HIT BY CAR WHEN HE IS THREE.
UM, HIS MENTALITY IS THAT OF A 15 YEAR OLD, BUT HE'S A VERY LARGE MAN.
HE'S SIX FOUR AND HE IS 300 POUNDS.
SO AN OFFICER'S LOOKING AT HIM IS NOT GONNA KNOW THAT HE'S MENTALLY HANDICAPPED.
HE'S JUST GONNA LOOK AT HIM AND SEE THAT HE'S A VERY LARGE MAN, AND HE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND ORDERS OR DEMANDS GIVEN TO HIM BY A POLICE OFFICER.
AND IT MAY END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE IT COULD END BADLY.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY TYPE OF FORCE THAT CAN SLOWLY CHOKE OUT A PERSON OR HARM THEM WITHOUT THE OFFICER BEING ABLE TO A ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, MY SON IS AUTISTIC, AND RIGHT NOW HE'S 12, BUT HE'S GOING TO BE A LARGE MAN.
AND AUTISTIC PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE TOUCHED.
SO AN OFFICER TRYING TO TALK TO HIM AND MAYBE REACHING OUT FOR HIM, HE'S GONNA FREAK OUT.
AND THAT MAY BE PERCEIVED AS RESISTING OR PERCEIVED AS BECOMING VIOLENT WHEN IT REALLY IS NOT ON THE NO, NOT WARRANT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THERE'S SO MANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE FOUND, AND IT CAUSES SO MUCH MORE HARM THAN GOOD.
UM, THERE'S A RESIDENT HERE AT, AT
THEY CUT APART HER FURNITURE, THEY
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BROKE DOWN HER DOOR, AND ALL THAT DAMAGE WAS NOT COVERED FOR HER.SO SHE HAD TO PAY FOR ALL OF THAT, AND SHE WASN'T EVEN THE PERSON THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
I HAVE ANOTHER FRIEND THAT HER HOME WAS RAIDED AND HER DOGS WERE SHOT IN THE HEAD DURING THE RAID BECAUSE THE OFFICERS WERE WORRIED THAT THEY WOULD BE ATTACKED.
THAT TYPE OF DAMAGE IS NOT REPLACEABLE.
PEOPLE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, LIFE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, THAT IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT.
UM, MS. ANANDA THOMAS, UM, WHICH AGENDA ITEM ARE WE SPEAKING ON AT THE MOMENT? BECAUSE I'VE SIGNED UP FOR SEVERAL THE, WE'RE TAKING ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE BEGINNING, MS. THOMAS.
SO, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON, ON ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE.
UM, I'M SPEAKING ON THE L V N R TECHNIQUES, THE BAN ON NO-KNOCK WARRANTS AND, UM, THE CITY BUDGET.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA GIVE SOME EXAMPLES.
IN 1993, THE CITY OF MIAMI AGREED TO PAY UP TO $34 MILLION IN DAMAGES IN A LIFETIME OF MEDICAL SUPPORT FOR 24 YEAR OLD ANTONIO EDWARDS, WHO WAS LEFT COMATOSE AND ON LIFE SUPPORT AFTER AN IMPROPERLY USED BLOOD HOLD, KNOWN AS A LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RECITE RESTRAINT, OR L B N R, HE DIED IN 2006 WITHOUT EVER WAKING UP HIS CRIME, PARKING THE WRONG WAY ON A ONE WAY STREET, SOMETHING NO ONE SHOULD LOSE THEIR LIFE OVER.
THIS IS WHY POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND CITIES ALL ACROSS THE US HAVE DROPPED THE L V N R FROM ITS TACTICS BECAUSE IT'S KILLING SUSPECTS.
THIS IS WHY SAN ANTONIO NEEDS TO FOLLOW SUIT.
WE CANNOT WAIT FOR A FEDERAL BAN.
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS.
NOW, 18 YEAR OLD CHARLES CHOP ROUNDTREE WAS UNARMED AND SITTING ON A COUCH AT A FRIEND'S HOUSE WHEN HE WAS SHOT HERE BY SS A P D.
THE OFFICER ENTERED ON A NO-KNOCK WARRANT AND FIRED BLINDLY.
IN TWO, IN 2014, POLICE ENTERED A SUSPECTED DRUG DEALER'S HOUSE ON A NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
THERE WERE NO DRUGS INSIDE THE HOUSE, BUT THERE WAS AN INFANT WHO WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED BY A FLASH BANG, SUN GRENADE THAT LANDED IN HIS PLAYPEN.
THE INFANT KNOWN AS BABY BOOBOO.
GLASS BURN INJURIES TO THE FACE AND CHEST, INCLUDING THE SEPARATION OF HIS EXTERNAL NOSE FROM HIS FACE.
20% OF HIS RIGHT UPPER LIP WAS MISSING.
THE POLICE HAD GIVEN FALSE INFORMATION TO A JUDGE TO OBTAIN THE WARRANT.
THE DRUG DEALER DID NOT EVEN RESIDE AT THAT HOUSE.
CASES LIKE THIS ARE ALL TOO COMMON WITH NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN SO CONTROVERSIAL THAT IT WAS EVEN BANNED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AT A TIME.
IT'S BEING CONSIDERED TO BE BANNED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AGAIN, BUT SAN ANTONIO CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS ACTION MUST BE TAKEN.
NOW, NOT ONLY SHOULD IT BE BANNED, BUT THIS LAW SHOULD BE NAMED AFTER CHARLES TROP ROUNDTREE.
TO HONOR THE 18 YEAR OLD BOY WHOSE LIFE WAS SO WRONGFULLY STOLEN BY HER OWN SS A P D ON THE BUDGET, YOU'VE CUT $1,140,000, UH, FROM WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT DURING A PANDEMIC ALMOST $900,000 FROM KIND READINESS AND AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS THAT HELP PREPARE CHILDREN TO BE SUCCESSFUL ADULTS AND STAY OFF THE STREET.
THIS INCLUDES PROGRAMS THAT HELP CHILDREN WITH AUTISM.
WE'VE MADE $110,000, 382, I'M SORRY, $10,382 IN CUT TO SENIOR PROGRAMS THAT ARE HELPING THEM DURING ONE OF THE SCARIEST TIMES OF THEIR LIFE.
DURING COVID, DURING THESE BUDGET SESSIONS, I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT YOUR SENIOR CENTER IS STRUGGLING TO KEEP FEEDING THEIR HOME BOUND SENIORS.
THAT THE FOOD BANK STRUGGLING WITH DISTRIBUTION, THAT PEOPLE NEED BETTER FUNDING FOR ANIMAL CARE SERVICES OR TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE IN THEIR STREETS FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY.
COUNCILMAN JACOB'S NOT CONNECTED, MA'AM.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.
WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT COMPLY, OFFICERS ARE LEFT WITH FEWER OPTIONS TO ENFORCE THE LAWS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN SWORN TO UPHOLD.
IF YOU ALLOCATE LESS MONEY, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS CHAOTIC TIME IN OUR COUNTRY, YOU ARE GOING TO CAUSE OUR
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CITY TO BECOME MORE DANGEROUS.FEWER OFFICERS DURING THIS TIME IS NOT THE ANSWER.
WE ACTUALLY NEED MORE WELL-TRAINED, WELL-FUNDED OFFICERS ON THE FORCE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN BEING LIKE PORTLAND OR SEATTLE.
POLITICIANS ARE EXPECTING MORE OF THEIR OFFICERS.
THE CITIZENS ARE EXPECTING MORE OF THEIR POLITICIANS.
AS OF NOW, OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE A TARGET ON THEIR BACK.
BECAUSE WE ARE BEING FED A FALSE NARRATIVE, WE SHOULD BE PUBLISHING THE REAL STATISTICS, ALL THE STATISTICS, ALL THE FACTS, CAREER CRIMINALS, RESISTING ARRESTS, WHERE MOST OF THEM ARE ON DRUGS AND ARE HARDER TO SUBDUE.
THINK ABOUT THE METHODS YOU SEND WHEN YOU DO NOT CONDEMN CRIMINALS FOR RESISTING ARRESTS.
OUR OFFICERS WHO HESITATE TO USE FORCE ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE HURT OR KILLED.
THESE ARE THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE, WHO RUN TOWARD THE GUNFIRE INSTEAD OF AWAY FROM IT.
THEY ARE WHAT STAND BETWEEN LAW, ABIDE, ABIDING CITIZENS AND CHAOS.
YOU ARE TELLING CRIMINALS THAT THAT RESISTING IS ACCEPTABLE, THEREFORE, PROMOTING MORE AND MORE OF THE CENSUS.
CITY LEADERS NEED TO COME OUT PUBLICLY IN SUPPORT OF OUR OFFICERS.
THERE SHOULD BE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS MADE PROMOTING THE RESPECT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, PROMOTING THE FACT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO COMPLY, NOT RESIST.
AGAIN, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.
THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH LACK OF RESPECT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING PROMOTED.
OUR OFFICERS NEED MORE FUNDING.
OUR OFFICERS NEED PUBLIC SUPPORT FROM OUR CITY LEADERS.
SEND THE MESSAGE THAT OUR WELL-TRAINED SAN ANTONIO POLICE OFFICERS HAVE THE FULL SUPPORT OF OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS.
ONCE AGAIN, POLITICIANS ARE EXPECTING MORE OF THEIR OFFICERS.
THE CITIZENS ARE EXPECTING MORE OF THE POLITICIANS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE PROCESS OF EVEN BEING ABLE TO GET YOUR VOICE HEARD IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
UM, I SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL TWO HOURS BEFORE THIS THING STARTS THAT I GET AN EMAIL SAYING, YOU HAVE TO REGISTER YOUR PHONE NUMBER, THEN YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE PHONE CALL 30 MINUTES BEFOREHAND, CALL 30 MINUTES BEFOREHAND, AND YOU CAN'T JOIN THE CALL.
HAVE TO CALL THE LADY, UM, TO, IN THE EMAIL TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
SHE SAYS, IT'S THE WRONG MEETING ID, THEY, THEY'RE HAVING TO SEND OUT ANOTHER EMAIL, SEND OUT THAT STILL SAYS, JOIN 30 MINUTES BEFORE AND YOU CAN'T JOIN 30 MINUTES BEFORE.
HE'S LIKE, OH, JOIN 15 MINUTES BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE NOW GET ON AT 15 MINUTES BEFORE, AND THE MEETING STARTS IN 15 MINUTES.
WE CAN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS GONNA GO.
IT'S JUST EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT AND HORRIBLE, UH, TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY ON Y'ALL'S BEHALF.
THAT NEEDS TO BE SET UP BETTER.
THAT GOES RIGHT INTO THE WHOLE, UM, FUNDING DEFUNDING OF THE POLICE AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY WITH ALL THE CRAZY AMOUNT OF SPENDING THAT GOES ON.
UM, Y'ALL OWN, UH, SPEAKUP SURVEY HAD 22,000 PARTICIPANTS, WHICH I'LL CONGRATULATED OURSELVES FOR, WHICH IS A HORRIBLE TURNOUT.
UH, DESPITE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY WAS NUMBER FOUR ON THERE.
UH, WITH PUBLIC HEALTH AS NUMBER ONE, HOUSING NUMBER TWO, SENIOR NEWS SERVICES NUMBER THREE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT RECEIVING THEIR FUNDING.
THEY SHOULD BE, UM, WE CAN EASILY TAKE AT LEAST 200 MILLION OUT OF THE POLICE BUDGET, UM, AND TAKE OFF A LOT OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.
THERE WAS LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UH, CRIMES IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT WE HAD 1.6 MILLION CALLS TO THE POLICE, WHICH MEANS THERE'S 1.5 MILLION ADDITIONAL CALLS THAT COULD BE HANDLED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PROBABLY IN A MORE COST EFFECTIVE MANNER.
UM, SO STARTING OFF BY DEFUNDING THE POLICE BY, I WOULD SAY 200 MILLION, PUTTING THAT TOWARDS SENIOR AND YOUTH SERVICES.
I HAVE A GRANDMOTHER WHO'S EIGHT FOUR, BECAUSE SENIOR CENTERS HAVE BEEN CLOSED.
SHE HAS FALLEN INTO A DEEP STATE OF DEPRESSION BECAUSE SHE'S USED TO GOING THERE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, NINE TO FIVE.
MY, I HAVE SEVERAL AUNT THAT DO THE SAME THING.
ALL OF THEM BEING STUCK AT HOME, UH, HAS PUT THEM INTO SEVERE DEPRESSION.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, NOT BEING ABLE TO KEEP UP THEIR HOMES DUE TO THE, THE LACK OF SERVICES AVAILABLE AND THEN GETTING REPORTED BY H O A JUST COMPOUNDS PROBLEMS. THE SAME THING GOES WITH HOMELESS.
WHEN THE POLICE FEEL HOMELESS, THEY'RE NOT HELPING THEM.
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IN ANY WAY.THEY'RE, IN FACT, MAKING THE SITUATION WORSE.
WE SHOULD HAVE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS TAKING CARE OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND THAT GOES ACROSS MANY OTHER, UH, BOARDS.
WHEN YOUR CAR GETS BURGLARIZED, A COP CALL COMES OUT TO SEE AND GET A REPORT.
THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU IS, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WELL, HOW ENCOURAGING IS THAT, THAT WE SPENT $500 MILLION AND CAR BURGLARIES, WHICH ARE HUMONGOUS? THE FIRST THING A COP WILL TELL YOU, I'VE HAD MY CAR BURGLARIZED THREE TIMES, AND I LIVE AT 1604 IN BULVERDE.
I LIVED IN HILL COUNTRY VILLAGE, MULTIPLE PLACES, NICE PLACES IN SAN ANTONIO, AND IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME THING.
MR. GOMEZ, MR. GOMEZ IS NOT CONNECTED, MA'AM.
[4. 20-5060 Briefing and possible action on the Council Consideration Request (CCR) from Councilmember Andrews Sullivan to ban the practice of the lateral vascular neck restraint (LVNR) within the San Antonio Police Department (SAPD). [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
AGENDA, THE BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST FROM COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN TO BAN THE PRACTICE OF LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINT AND THE, THE, AND FOR THE IMMEDIATE DOCUMENTED DISCONTINUATION AND BANNING OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS AND PROCEDURES FROM DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MARIA AND CHIEF MCMANUS.GOOD, GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTION, UM, TO CHIEF MAG'S PRESENTATION.
UH, THIS TWO CCRS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, UH, CONVERSATION TO HAVE, UH, WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AND THIS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OUR SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZES AND HAS RECOGNIZED THOSE ISSUES IN THE PAST, UM, AND, AND HAS MADE MODIFICATIONS TO THE POLICE, UH, DEPARTMENT EXISTING POLICIES.
AND THAT IS WHAT, UH, TWO MCMANUS IS GONNA PRESENT TODAY ON BOTH.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO, UM, CONVEY IS THAT TRAINING IS CRITICAL WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DEESCALATION IS CRITICAL FOR OUR OFFICERS, AND, AND THE GOAL IS TO DEESCALATE SITUATIONS WITH A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY TO RESPOND IF FORCE IS NECESSARY.
UM, ALSO, AS CHIEF MCMANUS TALKS ABOUT THE PROCESS, UM, WE, UH, ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON PUTTING TOGETHER A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE TO THE MADE TO THE USE OF FORCE POLICY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS TO PROVIDE A FULL, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF THOSE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE.
AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THAT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IN, IN A SUBSEQUENT, UH, PRESENTATION, AS WELL AS TO HIGHLIGHT THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE TO OUR WEBSITE IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY ON, UH, DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AND, UH, AND, AND THOSE ITEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS, UH, INTERESTED IN.
SO, WITH THAT, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF MCMANUS TO GO OVER THIS POLICIES.
UH, GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, AS MARIA SAID, THIS PRESENTATION IS IN RESPONSE TO A C C R FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, THAT WAS FILED ON JUNE 17TH, UH, TO BAN THE PRACTICE OF LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINTS.
UM, E EVERYTHING THAT WE TEACH.
EVERY BLOCK OF TRAINING THAT WE TEACH ON USE OF FORCE, THERE IS A DEESCALATION THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THAT BLOCK OF TRAINING.
AND OUR, OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS THE DUTY TO PROTECT HUMAN LIFE AND, AND THE SAFETY OF EVERYONE.
UH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO DEESCALATE, UH, IN, IN EVERY SITUATION, UH, NO EXCEPTIONS.
AND WE DO THAT THROUGH WARNINGS.
UH, WE DO THAT THROUGH ADVISEMENTS TO THE PERSON THAT WE'RE SPEAKING WITH, UH, PERSUASION AND OTHER TACTICS THAT WE USE TO, UH, DEESCALATE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE SITUATION MAY BE.
SO, OUR CURRENT POLICY BANNED THE USE OF CHOKE HOLDS, STRANGLE HOLDS TO INCLUDE L V N R, UH, BACK IN 2014.
THE EXCEPTION IS UNLESS DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE JUSTIFIED, UH, L V N R CANNOT BE USED.
AND I CHECKED WITH SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN TEXAS THIS MORNING.
UH, I SPOKE WITH THEIR CHIEFS, AND THE SAME THING APPLIES FOR, UH, THREE OR FOUR OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS, IS THAT L V N R IS BANNED UNLESS
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DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE JUSTIFIED.THE THE REASON BEING, IT WOULD BE, UH, A DANGER TO THE OFFICER TO TAKE AWAY ANY OPTION THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE IN PROTECTING THEMSELVES FROM SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR, OR DEATH OR A THIRD PARTY, UH, BY ELIMINATING THE USE OF, UH, L V N R AND THAT TYPE OF SITUATION, UM, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE A, A OFFICER SAFETY ISSUE.
IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
AND, UH, WE ADJUSTED THAT POLICY TO, TO, UH, UH, UM, PUT US IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, CAMPAIGN ZERO EIGHT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE STILL REVIEWING WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US CREDIT FOR THAT, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE, WE FALL IN, WE, UM, UM, THAT THOSE POLICIES, UH, ARE, ARE IN, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT CAMPAIGN ZERO IS LOOKING FOR.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, UM, UH, SANCTITY OF LIFE IS, IS, UM, IS PRIMARY FOR US.
UH, IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE LIST THERE, UM, LOOKING AT A REPORT FROM THE US CONFERENCE OF MAYORS, UH, THE THIRD BULLET SAYS NOT TO USE CHOKEHOLD STRANGLE HOLDER, ANY CAROTID RESTRAINTS UNLESS DEADLY FORCE IS NECESSARY.
THAT IS THE CAVEAT THAT, THAT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT CAVEAT IN IT, BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED TO, TO, TO, UM, TELL AN OFFICER THAT THEIR, THAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE, ARE LIMITED, AND WHAT WOULD BE A DEADLY FORCE SITUATION WOULD PUT THAT OFFICER'S LIFE IN DANGER.
ALL OF OUR USE OF FORCES, UH, ARE TO BE REPORTED BY THE OFFICER.
THEY'RE REPORTED UP THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND EVENTUALLY THEY WIND UP IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UH, IF A, IF A USE OF FORCE POLICY IS VIOLATED, THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION THAT'S DONE BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THAT INVESTIGATION IS FORWARDED TO THE COMPLAINT AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD FOR THEIR REVIEW.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION IS MADE TO ME FOR A FINAL HEARING.
AND LASTLY, UM, TO REPEAT, L V N VNRS WOULD BE AUTHORIZED ONLY IN SITUATIONS WHERE DEADLY FORCE IS JUSTIFIED.
AND, UH, ANY OFFICER WHO VIOLATES THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, UH, THEY'RE SUBJECT NOT ONLY TO DISCIPLINARY ACTION, BUT ALSO CRIMINAL SANCTIONS.
AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THE S A P D PROHIBITION THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW MEETS THE SPIRIT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, C C R.
AND WE PERIODICALLY REVIEW OUR USE OF FORCE POLICIES AND OUR TRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT OUR POLICIES ARE CURRENT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, UM, UM, THEY MAKE SENSE.
AND CURRENTLY, WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE REVIEW UNDERWAY BY A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
AND, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER
AND I HAVE THAT, UH, FOR YOU WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR IT.
AND THAT CON THAT CONCLUDES MY, UH, PRESENTATION ON NO CHOKE CALL POLICY.
[5. 20-5061 Briefing and possible action on the Council Consideration Request (CCR) from Councilmember Andrews Sullivan for the immediate documented discontinuation and banning of “No-Knock” warrants and procedures in the San Antonio Police Department (SAPD) Manual. [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
CHIEF, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT, UM, C C R PRESENTATION? PLEASE PRESENT, PLEASE.SO, UH, ON, ON THE NO-KNOCK WARRANT POLICY ON JUNE 22ND.
ON JUNE 22ND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN SUBMITTED A C C R, UM, ASKING FOR THE BANNING OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
UH, LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
LET, LET ME, LET ME TALK ABOUT THIS, KIND OF GOING OFF THE SLIDE FOR A MINUTE.
SO, THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF WARRANTS THAT, THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH.
UH, ONE IS AN ARREST WARRANT, AND THE SECOND IS A SEARCH WARRANT.
UM, ARREST WARRANTS COULD BE FOR ANY CRIME WHATSOEVER, UM, WHERE A JUDGE CONSIDERED IT, UH, CONSIDERED THERE, THERE TO BE PROBABLE CAUSE TO ISSUE THAT ARREST WARRANT.
AND FOR SEARCH WARRANTS, THEY'RE PRIMARILY USED, UH, IN NARCOTICS INVESTIGATIONS, ALTHOUGH THERE, THERE ARE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THEY COULD BE USED, BUT PRIMARILY THE BULK OF OUR SEARCH WARRANTS ARE DUE TO NARCOTICS INVESTIGATIONS.
UM, THOSE WARRANTS COULD BE HIGH RISK, UH, BOTH OF THOSE TYPES OF WARRANTS, UH, IN WHICH, UH, UH, SWAT
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IS CALLED INTO TO, UH, EXECUTE THOSE WARRANTS.SO, WE, WE SUSPENDED THE POLICY, UH, ON NO, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS BACK IN JUNE OF THIS.
SHE, UM, AND THAT WAS FOR BOTH ARREST WARRANTS AND, UH, SEARCH WARRANTS.
THE NUMBER OF, OF SEARCH OF, UH, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS HAS REDUCED OVER THE YEARS.
AND WE LOOK BACK SINCE 2017, WENT FROM 44 DOWN TO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EIGHT THIS YEAR.
AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY NO-KNOCK SERVED SINCE I RESTRICTED THE POLICY BACK IN JUNE.
SO, THE, THE, UH, WE ARE LOOKING RIGHT NOW, WE ARE WORKING ON FINALIZING THE POLICY IN THE GENERAL MANUAL.
AND OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT DONE BY SEPTEMBER FOUR.
UH, IT SUSPENDS NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR THE EXECUTION OF SEARCH WARRANTS AND RESTRICTS THE EXECUTION OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS TO BRING ARREST WARRANTS UNLESS EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES POSE A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE SAFETY OF, UH, OF THE OFFICER OR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO, ACROSS THE BOARD, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS ARE BANNED FOR SEARCH FOR, UH, SEARCH WARRANTS.
AND THE, THE CAVEAT OF THE EXCEPTION ALLOWED IS FOR, UM, FOR ARREST WARRANTS.
NOW, UH, LET ME EXPLAIN THAT, THAT WE WILL NOT PLAN TO DO, UH, WARRANT SERV, UH, NO-KNOCK WARRANT SERVICES FOR ARREST WARRANTS.
WE WILL FIGURE OUT, WE WILL FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE, DEPENDING UPON THE CIRCUMSTANCES, HOW THAT WARRANT GETS SERVED.
BUT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE, LET'S SAY WE SET UP A PERIMETER OUTSIDE A HOME WHERE WE KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL IS WANTED, AND, UH, THAT PERSON WE, WE, WE LEARN IS STARTING TO INJURE PEOPLE INSIDE, OR, OR, UH, MAYBE THEY, THEN WE WOULD MAKE ENTRY WITHOUT KNOCKING, UH, TO PROTECT LIFE, UH, INSIDE OF THAT, OF THAT PREMISES.
SO, UH, IN SOME, WE WILL NOT HAVE, UH, ANY NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR SEARCH WARRANTS.
WE DON'T PLAN TO HAVE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR ARREST WARRANTS.
BUT IN A SITUATION WHERE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST OR, OR, UH, COME UP, WE WILL DO A NO-KNOCK WARRANT OR WE WILL DO A NO-KNOCK ENTRY.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST A REPEAT OF WHAT I JUST SAID.
WE, WE WILL NOT DO A NO-KNOCK ENTRY UNLESS EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST IN THE SERVICE OF AN ARREST WARRANT.
WE WILL NOT HAVE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR, UH, PROPERTY WARRANT FOR PROPERTY, UH, UH, SEARCHES, UH, PERIOD, NO EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
AND THAT IS THE END OF, UH, OF THAT PRESENTATION.
AND, UH, SHOULD I GO ON OR ARE WE GONNA DO QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND STOP ON THE TWO CCRS CHIEF AND WE'LL, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, UH, COMMITTEE QUESTIONS.
UM, I, I HAVE A BRIEF STATEMENT, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, CHIEF.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS RIGHT NOW, IT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A WIDESPREAD CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICE REFORM.
BUT I WANNA MAKE THE POINT THAT REFORM AND PUBLIC SAFETY ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
THE TWO GOALS CAN AND SHOULD COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.
WE HAVE TO TAKE STEPS TO FURTHER THAT ALIGNMENT, ACHIEVING PUBLIC SAFE, PUBLIC SAFETY OUTCOMES.
WE ALSO HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HISTORIC DIVIDE BETWEEN POLICE AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT HAVE EXISTED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING SAN ANTONIO.
THE JOB OF A POLICE OFFICER IS OFTEN DANGEROUS AND DIFFICULT, AND THE VAST MAJORITY PERFORM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY AND GOOD, AND IN GOOD FAITH, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT.
HOWEVER, HOLDING POLICE OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR IMPROPER CONDUCT SHOULD BE A GOAL SHARED BY ALL.
THE REALITY IS THAT THE IMPROPER USE OF FORCE BY ANY POLICE OFFICER ANYWHERE CAN AFFECT THE PERCEPTION AND TRUST OF DEPARTMENTS AND POLICE EVERYWHERE, AGAIN, INCLUDING SAN ANTONIO.
THE IMPROPER USE OF FORCE AFFECTS OUR RESIDENTS, AND AS IT EXHIBITED IN ACTS OF HUMAN INDIGNATION, BRUTALITY, AND DEATH IN CUSTODY.
AND THESE INCIDENCES BOLSTERED THE DISTRUST OF THE POLICE FORCE, AND IN SOME CASES CAUSE A FEAR OF CALLING FOR POLICE ASSISTANCE.
WE ALL, WE ALL, WE'VE ALL HEARD THIS STORY OF NOT WANTING TO CALL THE POLICE FOR FEAR OF WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA, WHO THEY'RE GONNA GET.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE AND HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THOSE WHO CROSS THE LINE AND FAIL IN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THE POLICIES DISCUSSED TODAY, BANNING CHOKE HOLDS AND NO-KNOCK WARRANTS ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO ADDRESS AND ARE PART
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OF A LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROLE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND BROADER COMMUNITY OBJECTIVES.FOR MANY YEARS, WE'VE ASKED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO RESPOND TO SOCIAL CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT BEGINS TODAY IN THIS COMMITTEE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE AS WE DEFINE THE ROLE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN SAN ANTONIO.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, CHIEF, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE HARD WORK, UM, BY CITY STAFF AND BY YOU CHIEF AND ON ALL OUR POLICE OFFICERS REALLY TO, TO WORK TOWARDS THIS.
BUT, UM, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT YOUR, UH, THE DEFINITION OF EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EXCEPTION, UH, TO THE NO-KNOCK WARRANT, DO WE HAVE THAT DEFINITION RIGHT NOW? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AS A COUNCIL, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OF COMMUNITY ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE INPUT ON? MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MARIA ASKED CHIEF.
SO, UH, YES, WE DO HAVE THAT DEFINITION AND EXIT EDGES IN CIR CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, IS A, IS WHEN IT BOILS DOWN TO A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.
UM, SOMEBODY'S, SOMEBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT SOMEONE IS BEING OR, OR CAN BE KILLED, OR THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY.
SO YES, THAT DEFINITION DOES EXIST.
I, I, MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AS DEFINED.
I, I HEAR THAT DEFINITION, AND IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL DEFINITION, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT CALL IS MADE, UM, IN THE HEAT OF A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MAY OR MAY NOT GO, UH, WELL FOR A POLICE OFFICER OR A SUSPECT.
SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DIG IN A LITTLE DEEPER ON THAT, UH, THAT DEFINITION AND, AND, AND EVEN MAYBE DRAW SPECIFIC, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT APPLIES OR DOESN'T APPLY.
AND OF COURSE, ALL THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN, IN TRAINING OUR OFFICERS, NOT NOT JUST INCOMING OFFICERS, BUT OUR CURRENT OFFICERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT DEFINITION AND IT'S WELL TRAINED ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE MAKING THAT CALL, UH, IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, UM, THE WAY THAT THAT PROTECTS BOTH THEM AND THEIR SUSPECTS.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON THE COUNCIL COMMENTS COMMITTEE.
I'M SORRY, COMMITTEE COMMENTS.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WITH ANOTHER ROUND OF TWO MINUTES IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
I'M GONNA START, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, BEFORE THAT, UM, LET'S ASK, UH, MADAM CLERK, THERE WERE SOME WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU DISCUSS THAT BRIEFLY? YES.
MADAM CHAIR, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 140 COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR THIS MEETING.
UM, ITEM FOUR, WE HAD 47 COMMENTS SUBMITTED, 38 WERE IN SUPPORT, AND FIVE WERE OPPOSED.
FOUR DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION.
REGARDING ITEM FIVE, WE HAD 39 COMMENTS SUBMITTED, 35 WERE IN SUPPORT, ONE OPPOSED ONE NEUTRAL, AND TWO, DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION.
REGARDING ITEM SIX, WE HAD 45 COMMENTS SUBMITTED, FIVE IN SUPPORT, 31 OPPOSED ONE NEUTRAL, AND EIGHT DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION.
AND THEN ITEM SEVEN, WE HAD NINE COMMENTS SUBMITTED, ONE IN SUPPORT, SIX OPPOSED, AND TWO DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION.
ALL OF THESE WILL BE POSTED ON THE CITY'S, UM, AGENDA PAGE.
AND THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO TOOK THE TIME TODAY TO CALL IN, AND THOSE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO PROVIDE THE WRITTEN COMMENT.
WE, UH, COUNSEL DOES READ THOSE, AND WE, WE USE THOSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I'M GONNA JUST GO IN ORDER, UM, BEGINNING, UH, OF COUNCIL DISTRICT, BEGINNING WITH COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UM, I WANNA THANK MY CITY STAFF, UM, MY DISTRICT TWO TEAM, UH, ESPECIALLY MS. LATIKA SIMS, WHO WAS, UM, STEPPING INTO THE POLICY ROLE AND HELPING ME TO DRAFT ALL OF THE CCRS.
AND JUST WANT TO SAY TO HER, THANK YOU FOR HER SUPPORT AND HER WORK.
ALSO, WANNA THANK MS. JORDAN PARKS, MARLON DAVIS AND CELESTE BROWN, WHO ALSO ASSISTED IN COMING UP WITH THE INFORMATION TO DRAFT THE CCRS.
THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AT THIS TIME ARE IN REF, UH, IN REFERENCE TO THE L V N R AND LISTENING TO THE DEFINITION OF A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH.
AND I WANT SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A SUSPECT IN CUSTODY BEING HANDCUFFED ARE PUT INTO A POLICE CAR, PRESENTS A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH IN RELATIONS TO AN L V R COUNCIL MEMBER.
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INCIDENT YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANYWHERE AN OFFICER WOULD PUT SOMEONE IN AN L V N R WHEN THEY'RE IN HANDCUFFS IN A TRANSPORT, OR, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE USE OF AN L V N R WOULD ONLY BE, UH, PERMITTED IN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, USE OF DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE PERMITTED.IT'S NOT TO RESTRAIN SOMEBODY.
IT'S NOT TO, TO, UH, UH, MOVE SOMEBODY AROUND.
IT'S, IT'S, IF YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER AS AN OFFICER OR SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE IS IN DANGER, AND THAT'S THE MEANS THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE, THEN, THEN THAT'S WHEN AN L V N R WOULD BE PERMITTED.
OKAY, CHIEF, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.
MR. ERIC GARNER AND MR. GEORGE FLOYD AND MS. SANDRA BLAND, L V N R IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED AS A LAST RESORT WHEN DEESCALATION DOES NOT WORK.
HOWEVER, WE ARE SEEING TOO MANY INSTANCES WHERE A HASHTAG IS USED BECAUSE OF AN L V N R.
IT SAYS, SUSPECT IS IN HANDCUFFS OR IS IN A SUBMISSIVE HOLD BEING ON A GROUND.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT POSES A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH.
WE ARE OFFERING 134 HOURS OF DEESCALATION, BUT YET, AND STILL WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT LV AND R HOW MANY CONTINUOUS EDUCATION HOURS ARE PROVIDED TO A POLICE OFFICER DURING A YEAR, IN RETROSPECT TO DEESCALATION.
SO, MEMBER, LET ME COMMENT ON THE, ON YOUR EXAMPLES FOR THE L V N R THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES OR REGULATIONS THAT WERE IN PLACE AT THOSE TIMES WERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE OFFICER WAS IN VIOLATION OF, OF THEIR DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES, BUT, UH, CLEARLY, UM, AS I'VE STATED, UNLESS DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE AUTHORIZED, AN OFFICER WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THAT POLICY.
UM, AND, AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY SITUATIONS HERE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD THAT ISSUE COME UP.
UM, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER OF TRAINING HOURS YES.
FOR CONTINUE CONTINUATION OF DEESCALATION.
THAT, UH, YEAH, WE HAVE THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, LET ME, LET ME GET THAT FOR YOU.
WELL, FIR FIRST, LET ME SAY THAT, THAT DEESCALATION IS INCORPORATED INTO EVERY USE OF, UH, EVERY BLOCK OF TRAINING THAT WE HAVE ON USE OF FORCE FOR AS FAR AS A, A BLOCK, A SPECIFIC BLOCK OF TRAINING ON DEESCALATION.
THE OFFICERS SPEND A DAY ON THAT.
IS THERE A CONTINUOUS EDUCATION THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? THERE'S CONTINUOUS EDUCATION, UH, WHEN WE DO IN-SERVICE, YES.
AND, AND AS I MENTIONED, UH, IN ONE OF MY PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATIONS, WE WILL LOOK TO INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE, UH, OF THOSE, UH, TRAINING HOURS BY DOING ONLINE, UH, VIRTUAL TRAINING ON A MONTHLY BASIS BASIS.
SO FROM 2010 TO 2015, BLACK PEOPLE MADE UP 20% OF THE POPULATION THAT WERE INCLUDED IN AN L V N R WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHEREAS THE SAN ANTONIO POPULATION OF BLACKS ARE ONLY 7%.
WE ARE ASKING FOR A COMPLETE BAN.
AFTER I READ THROUGH THE COMMENTS WITHIN THE, THE PRESENTATION OR, OR WITHIN THE 38 COMMENTS THAT ARE ASKING FOR THIS, THE COMMENT IS A COMPLETE BAN AS A UNITED STATES MILITARY VETERAN HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TAUGHT.
AND WHEN A PERSON IS PUT INTO A SUBMISSIVE CHOKEHOLD UP ON SUBMISSION OF THAT CHOKE HOLD, THE CHOKE HOLD IS TO BE RELEASED.
WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS BAN BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT A LAST RESORT, BUT BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO BETTER WITH DEESCALATION TO WHERE WE DO NOT GET TO ANOTHER HASHTAG, THAT IS WHAT THE C C R IS MEANT TO DO.
UM, I KNOW THAT MY TIME IS PROBABLY UP, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M RESPECTFUL FOR ALL OF MY OTHER COUNCIL COLLEAGUES TO GIVE THEIR REMARKS.
YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE MINUTES TO BEGIN TOO, IF YOU, IF YOU DECIDE.
UM, COUNCILWOMAN
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, FOR BRINGING THESE TWO CCRS FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S VERY TIMELY, AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY CRITICAL THAT WE GET CLARIFICATION FROM
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OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ON EXACTLY, UM, WHAT WE ARE DOING.SO, I, I THINK I JUST, WE NEED SOME MORE CONCRETE STEPS HERE.
UM, AND I THINK SOMEBODY POSED THIS QUESTION AT GOVERNANCE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU, IT'S ONLY USED FOR DEADLY FORCE.
IT'S ONLY USED IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, BUT THEN POLICE OFFICERS USE THE CHOKE HOLDS, NOT IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO WHAT RECOURSE DO YOU HAVE CHIEF? UM, IF IT IS JUST TO GET SOMEBODY, UM, SO, AND POLICE OFFICERS DO IT, AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USING IT.
SO WHAT RECOURSE DO YOU HAVE? COUNCIL MEMBER THAT VIOLATION? UHHUH
THAT, THAT, THAT VIOLATION OF POLICY WOULD BE HANDLED LIKE ANY OTHER VIOLATION OF POLICY.
IT WOULD COME UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
IT WOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND THEN GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS UNTIL IT GOT TO MY DESK.
SO ANY, ANY VIOLATION OF, OF, UM, UM, OF ANY POLICY TO INCLUDE EXCESSIVE FORCE, UM, WOULD BE HANDLED LIKE ANY OTHER VIOLATION, UM, TO, TO, TO INCLUDE, TO INCLUDE POSSIBLE CRIMINAL, UH, SANCTIONS AS WELL.
SO WOULD, IF THEY USE THE, THE, UM, CHOKE HOLD, WOULD THAT THEN BE ON A USE OF FORCE DOCUMENT THAT HAS TO GO ONLINE AS WELL? YES.
HAVE WE HAD ANY OF THOSE RECENTLY? NO.
UM, I THINK I WANNA CONTINUE TO STAY WITH THAT BECAUSE I WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, ANOTHER EXAMPLE CLOSER HERE.
AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, IT WAS NOT, UM, NECESSARILY, IT WASN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS S A P D, BUT IT WAS WITH THAT CAR CHASE THAT HAPPENED MAYBE LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.
THE HELICOPTER WAS, IT STOPPED IN ON WEST HARDING IN DISTRICT THREE, THE GUY JUMPED OUT, HE WAS KNEELING DOWN HANDS BEHIND HIS HEAD.
THE OFFICERS JUST PS HIT HIM, AND THEY DID DO RESTRAINT OVER HIM.
SO YOU COULDN'T SEE WHAT ELSE HAPPENED, UM, TO SUBDUE THE, THE SUSPECT SO THAT IN PARTICULAR, THE PERSON WAS KNEELING HANDS BEHIND THE HEAD.
SO WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE, WHAT ACTION WOULD SS A P D HAD TO HAVE TAKEN? BECAUSE I DIDN'T, I I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE THE, THE, UH, ANY VIDEO ON THAT.
I KNOW THAT WASN'T OUR DEPARTMENT, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH MM-HMM.
I CAN GIVE YOU A HYPOTHETICAL IF YOU WANT, BUT, BUT I'D RATHER NOT COMMENT ON IT SINCE IT, SINCE IT WASN'T OUR DEPARTMENT.
BUT I'D SHOW YOU THE VIDEO AND SEND IT TO YOU AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT TO SEE WHAT, HOW SS A P D WOULD HAVE, UH, REACTED WELL, SHOULD, SHOULD, UM, UH, REACT TO SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU REVIEW THE USE OF FORCE PERIODICALLY, AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT AND OUTSIDE REVIEW BY A THIRD PARTY.
AND IF YOU ARE SENDING THAT BACKUP DOCUMENTATION TO COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, I ASK THAT YOU SEND IT TO ALL OF US SO WE CAN SEE WHO THIS OUTSIDE, UM, REVIEW IS.
AND ALSO, UM, IF THEY ARE BRAND NEW OR IF THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR US FOR, UH, S A P D FOR OUR, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR A WHILE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
UH, BUT I DO, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT IN A GOOD SITUATION RIGHT NOW AND THEN SEEING WHAT WE SAW SUNDAY.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY NOT A, THIS IS REALLY DIFFICULT, AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT FOR YOU ALL, AND IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THE CITY.
AND, UM, I WANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN PUT THIS, UH, IN A MORE FORMAL NATURE WITH CONCRETE STEPS OF, OF ACCOUNTABILITY
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AND JUST BAN THESE, THESE, UM, THESE PROCEDURES.I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANDY OR, OR CHAIR OR COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
WERE WE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING SHOOTING AT MOVING VEHICLES AS WELL? HI AGAIN.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN IF, UH, CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, COUNCILWOMAN
CHIEF CAN SPEAK ABOUT THE POLICY TODAY, IF, IF YOU WANT US TO DO THAT, OR WE CAN DO A FULL REVIEW AGAIN, OF USE OF FORCE AT OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING.
WELL, I THINK MY ISSUE IS, I DON'T WANNA JUST CONTINUE TO REVIEW AND TALK ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE, TAKE SPECIFIC CONCRETE STEPS OF CHANGE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND THE CHIEF MADE SOME CHANGES IN JUNE, UH, JUST TO SUPPORT POLICY.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AS I MENTIONED AT, UM, THE BEGINNING, THAT WE ARE GONNA BE PROVIDING A SUMMARY TO THE COUNCIL IN JUNE TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE.
UM, AND THEN CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE CITY CLERK ABOUT THE, THE WRITTEN COMMENT.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
UM, SO WELL, ONE OF THE WRITTEN COMMENTS ABOUT, ON ITEM SIX, WERE THERE WRITTEN COMMENTS ABOUT ITEM SIX? WE'RE NOT ON THAT ITEM YET, BUT GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER
THERE WERE 45 COMMENTS SUBMITTED REGARDING ITEM SIX.
WELL, LET ME JUST STOP YOU THERE.
'CAUSE MAYBE WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN ITEM SIX.
'CAUSE I WANNA GO MORE INTO DETAIL ABOUT THOSE COMMENTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.
I'M GOING TO PICK UP WHERE THE COUNCILWOMAN LEFT OFF.
UH, FIRST I WANNA THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO, UH, WHO TOOK THE TIME TO, UH, CALL IN OR BE CALLED TODAY.
UM, AND TO ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO SUBMITTED COMMENTS IN ADVANCE, WE WILL BE REVIEWING THOSE.
UM, AND FOR ANY OF THOSE WHO EXPERIENCED PROBLEMS CALLING IN, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS, UH, TO REVIEW THE PROCESS.
I'VE ASKED THEM TO CONDUCT A, A USER SURVEY, UH, FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN USING THE SYSTEM.
SO, UH, WE'LL BE COVERING THAT AT, AT A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE.
UH, REGARDING, UH, LV AND R I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THAT, AND THEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
UM, FIRST THANK YOU TO THE COUNCILWOMAN FOR, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN FOR BRINGING THE ITEMS FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION.
DEFINITELY NECESSARY TO TALK ABOUT THIS COUNCILWOMAN, UH, OR CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR PRIORITIZING THESE IN YOUR, UH, IN YOUR AGENDA FOR THE COMMITTEE.
UM, UH, FIRST REGARDING, UH, L V N R.
UH, I MENTIONED THIS IN, UH, IN GOVERNANCE YESTERDAY, BUT IF AN OFFICER FEELS THEY HAVE TO USE DEADLY FORCE, THEN I THINK AN OFFICER HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT DEESCALATION.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE, WE WILL ALSO BE REVIEWING AND POSSIBLY RECONSIDERING THE DEESCALATION TRAINING AND HOW FREQUENTLY IT OCCURS.
IS THAT THE CASE? CHIEF? CHIEF, YOU'RE MUTED THAT THE, THE POLICIES AND THE TRAINING ARE BEING REVIEWED.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT IF AN OFFICER HAS TO USE DEADLY FORCE, THAT ATTEMPTS AT DEESCALATION HAD FAILED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THROUGH ANY FAULT OF THE OFFICER MM-HMM.
THAT, THAT ABSOLUTELY MAY BE THE CASE CHIEF.
SO I THINK FOR US TO MAKE FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS, IT WOULD BE, UH, VERY GOOD TO KNOW IS THERE DATA AVAILABLE ON THE USE OF, UH, CHOKE HOLD OR STRANGLE STRANGLE HOLDS, UH, BY THE, BY THE FORCE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UM, AND WHEN IN THOSE CASES, IS DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED? DO WE KNOW HOW OFTEN, UH, OFFICERS ARE CHOOSING TO USE CHOKE HOLDS OR STRANGLE HOLDS? WE'VE ONLY HAD THOSE COMPLAINTS.
WE, WE'VE ONLY HAD, WE'VE ONLY HAD COMPLAINTS SINCE, UH, 20 OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY USE OF FORCE REPORTS WHERE AN OFFICER HAS
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USED AN L V N R OR, OR ANY KIND OF CHOKE HOLD, UH, CHIEF, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS RECEIVED, WAS IT 28 OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS? 28.OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, ALL OF THOSE COMPLAINTS, UH, HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ALL HAVE BEEN NOT SUSTAINED BY THE BOARD A.
AND THOSE WERE COMPLAINTS REGARDING USE OF FORCE OR L V N R SPECIFICALLY? CHOKING.
UM, THEY WERE NOT SUSTAINED BY THE BOARD.
SO WERE THEY ALL, WOULD YOU SAY ALL OF THEM, UM, DEADLY FORCE WAS AUTHORIZED IN THEM IN ALL 28 CASES? THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND HERE, BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE POLICY THAT, THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE, UM, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET CREDIT FOR FROM THE, FROM CAMPAIGN ZERO, UM, HAS THIS EXCEPTION IN IT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW IF THAT EXCEPTION IS, IS WORKING.
SO, UM, CHAIR, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, OR IS IT SOMETHING I SHOULD, UH, SCHEDULE, UM, AN INDIVIDUAL MEETING FOR WITH THE, WITH THE CHIEF? I, I, I'D LIKE TO, UM, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION PUBLICLY.
I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, DUTY TO INTERVENE.
UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS A, AS A SEPARATE, UH, POLICY.
UH, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT OFFICERS ARE FULFILLING THAT DUTY? DO WE PRETTY MUCH JUST WAIT FOR A COMPLAINT TO HAPPEN OR A TRAGEDY TO OCCUR? HOW, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? CHIEF, YOU'RE MUTED.
YOU'RE CHIEF, YOU'RE BURNING UP MY TIME HERE, ASH.
SO, UH, IF, IF THERE'S A SITUATION THAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING BECAUSE AN OFFICER USED EXCESSIVE FORCE, UH, AND THERE IS EVIDENCE OF ANOTHER OFFICER BEING PRESENT AND SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE INTERVENED, THEN WE WILL INVESTIGATE THAT AS WELL.
BUT, BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION.
PRETTY MUCH WE, SO AN INCIDENT HAS TO OCCUR, HAS TO HAVE OCCURRED BEFORE WE, WE KNOW IF AN OFFICER INTERVENED OR NOT.
CHIEF, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF USE OF FORCE, HOW THOSE, UM, THE, THE, THE OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT THEM ALL AND HOW YOU TRACK 'EM AND REVIEW 'EM? YES, MA'AM.
SO WHEN IT, WHEN USE OF FORCE IS, UM, HAS BEEN USED WHEN YOU, WHEN THERE'S BEEN A USE OF FORCE, AN OFFICER'S REQUIRED TO DO A USE OF FORCE REPORT, THAT INFORMATION GOES UP, STARTING WITH THE SERGEANT, TO THE LIEUTENANT, TO THE CAPTAIN, TO THE DEPUTY CHIEF, AND EVENTUALLY OVER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR REVIEW.
IF THERE'S A VIOLATION, UH, AND IT'S BEEN FLAGGED BY ANYONE IN THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND, THEN IT'S INVESTIGATED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND IT GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS TO INCLUDE REVIEW BY THE COMPLAINT, ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD, OR THE CARB, AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO ME FOR FINAL REVIEW.
AND EVERYONE IN THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND IS UNIFORM PERSONNEL? YES, MA'AM.
YOU I'LL, UM, I'LL CHIME BACK IN, UH, CHAIR.
UM, CHIEF, I, I, I JUST WANNA REVIEW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SAID, AND I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THIS.
SO WHEN WAS THE BAN ON L V N R ENACTED? 2014, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
UM, HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT BEEN REPORTED THAT THAT'S BEEN USED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS SINCE THE CHANGE IN POLICY? NO, THAT WAS 10 YEARS.
WELL, THE, THE, THE, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WHERE, WHERE IT'S BEEN REPORTED.
UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE WAS, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, 20 COMPLAINTS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND NONE OF THEM BEING SUSTAINED, SO, OKAY.
SO THERE'S BEEN 28 COMPLAINTS.
IT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND NONE OF THEM WERE, WERE SUSTAINED.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS AT THIS POINT SINCE IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A POLICY CHANGE AND IT'S BEEN ENFORCED, ENACTED,
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NOT USED.AND YES, THERE'S BEEN COMPLAINTS, BUT THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE OVERRULED.
UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARD THAT AND UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE L V N R.
I, I WAS JUST TOLD MY VIDEO WASN'T ON.
SO LET ME ASK YOU KIND OF THE SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
UM, YOU CHANGED THE POLICY WHEN, AGAIN, ABOUT NO-KNOCK WARRANTS BACK IN JUNE.
SO IT, YOU, YOU SHOWED THAT THERE WERE EIGHT OF 'EM THIS YEAR.
WAS THAT, DID THAT INCLUDE TIME BEFORE THE JUNE OR AFTER THE JUNE DATE? YES, SIR.
THAT WAS BEFORE THE JUNE DATE.
SO HAVE THERE BEEN ANY NO-KNOCK WARRANTS EXECUTED SINCE THE POLICY CHANGE? NO, SIR.
THE L V N R HASN'T BEEN USED, POLICY CHANGED ALREADY, HADN'T BEEN USED.
THERE'S BEEN SOME COMPLAINTS, BUT ALL THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE OVERRULED.
YOU'VE GOT NO-KNOCK WARRANTS CHANGE IN POLICY SINCE JUNE HASN'T BEEN USED SINCE JUNE DOESN'T MEAN IT COULDN'T BE, BUT IT HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED, RIGHT? DOESN'T MEAN IT COULDN'T BE DURING THE SERVICE OF AN ARREST WARRANT, BUT, UH, PROPERTY CRIMES, UH, FOR, FOR A, UH, A, UH, PROPERTY SEARCH WARRANT, UH, I'M SORRY FOR A SEARCH WARRANT, THERE WOULD BE NO EXCEPTION TO THAT.
I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THERE'S BEEN POLICY CHANGES.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INSTANCES LIKE THAT, UM, IN EITHER ONE OF THESE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE POLICY CHANGES, WHAT'S HAPPENED AND HOW IT'S BEING CONTROLLED.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT CAN BE USED, BUT THAT'S, AS A LAST RESORT WHEN NOTHING ELSE WORKS, DEESCALATION DOESN'T WORK.
YOU KNOW, THE OFFICERS IN FEAR FOR THEIR LIFE AND EVEN IN THE MILITARY, THE, THE SAME THING IS, IS SHOWN YOU, YOU DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU'RE IN A, A MORTAL COMBAT, IF YOU WILL, THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO PROTECT YOUR OWN LIFE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
IT'S NOT USED IN EITHER INSTANCE SINCE THE POLICIES HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN, AND WE'VE ALL SEEN THE INSTANCES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN OTHER CITIES, I AM PROUD OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT 'EM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING THOSE TYPES OF INSTANCES.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE HAS BEEN UPHELD THROUGH OUR PROCESSES.
AND I'M, I'M FAILING TO SEE THAT WE STILL HAVE THOSE TYPES OF PROBLEMS HERE IN, IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO I, I, I JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, I GOTTA CRINGE WHEN I HEAR ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN OTHER CITIES AND TRYING TO APPLY THEM HERE TO SAN ANTONIO.
SO, UH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
I MAY CHA CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UH, DID, UH, WELL, I'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST AGAIN.
JUST SAY YES, YOU WANNA HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT OR PASS.
UM, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS INSTANCE OF WHERE, UH, WE'VE SEEN VIDEO RECORDINGS OF SHOOTINGS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT WERE DETERMINED NOT TO HAVE A WEAPON OR NOT TO BE COMBATIVE.
WE'VE SEEN WHERE MENTALLY INCOMPETENT INDIVIDUALS WERE TAKEN AT A FORCEFUL INSTANCE BECAUSE AN OFFICER WAS NOT AWARE THAT THIS PERSON HAD A MENTAL INCAPACITY.
WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THINGS CAN BE SAID TO BE UNSUBSTANTIATED WHEN IT COMES TO CLAIMS BY THOSE WHO ARE PUTTING FORTH CLAIMS. I FULLY SUPPORT OUR SS A P D BECAUSE I HAVE FAMILY THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS TRAINING.
I HAVE TALKED TO THEM AT LENGTH
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ABOUT THESE CCRS AND WHAT THEY TRULY MEAN.I ALSO REALIZE DEESCALATION IS NOT PHYSICAL.
SO THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY I AM MOTIONING FOR BOTH CCRS TO GO TO FULL COUNSEL.
UM, COUNCILMAN
SORRY, MY, MY PHONE, I NEEDED TO UNMUTE THAT.
DID COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN MOTION? YES, SHE DID MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE TWO, UH, ITEMS FORWARD TO FULL COUNSEL.
UM, OKAY, SO QUICK QUESTION ON THE 28TH COMPLAINTS ON LV AND R, UM, HOW WERE THE, UM, SO IN THOSE COMPLAINTS, WERE THERE, UH, PEOPLE THAT WERE OFFICERS THAT MAYBE WERE SEEN IN MORE THAN ONE INSTANCE? LIKE, DO YOU SEE THAT IN SOME OF THOSE 28 COMPLAINTS, THERE'S ONE OR TWO OFFICERS THAT HAVE A, AN ACCUSTOM OF USING THEM? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO I THINK THAT'S PART THAT COULD BE HELPFUL.
AND WHEN WE DO OUR REVIEW AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE PROCESS, THAT IF WE DO THAT, MAYBE SOMEONE ON YOUR TEAM ALREADY DOES THAT, BUT, UM, THAT WE REVIEW THEM AND SEE, OKAY, IF THERE'S ONLY, IF THERE'S 28 OR NOT ONLY, BUT IF THERE ARE 28, WE SHOULD REVIEW.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEN, UM, WITH SEVERAL COMPLAINTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY, UM, IMPORTANT.
AND IF THOSE WERE COMPLAINTS WERE OVERTURNED, UM, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WAS IT THAT ALSO OVERTURNED, UH, THOSE COMPLAINTS? WHAT WERE THE ITEMS, UM, THAT WAS PART OF IT? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER? I CAN, I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO, UH, YOU CAN USE IT'S CHIEF.
I, I, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO, TO SPEAK 'CAUSE I'M DONE WITH MY 30 SECONDS.
SO, UH, JUST BRIEFLY, WHEN THE, WHEN THE ADVISOR, WHEN THE BOARD, THE COMPLAINT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD HEARS THE CASES, THEY WILL DETERMINE, THEY MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHETHER TO SUSTAIN OR NOT SUSTAIN THE COMPLAINT.
AND IN THE CASES OF THESE, UM, CHOKING COMPLAINTS OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, THOSE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN NOT SUSTAINED BY THE BOARD.
SO THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS IN SHORT.
UH, COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UH, YES.
SO, JUST TO CONFIRM, THERE WERE 28 COMPLAINTS, BUT IF WE WERE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE USE OF FORCE REPORTS THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS HAVE TO MAKE EACH TIME, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT NUMBER.
IS THAT RIGHT? CHIEF? WE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE GREATER AND AT MINIMUM THE SAME.
THEY'D BE THE SAME OR LESS, OR NOT, OR LESS.
SO ISN'T IT POSSIBLE THAT, THAT AN L V N R COULD HAVE BEEN USED AND SOMEONE DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT? IF, IF IT, WELL, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT, BUT AN OFFICER WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO WRITE A USE OF FORCE REPORT IF THE L V N R WAS USED, WHETHER A COMPLAINT WAS MADE OR NOT.
SO THE USE OF L V N R WOULD BE AT LEAST 28, 28 TIMES.
UNLESS SOMEONE'S SUBMITTING MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS.
UM, SO YOU'VE HAD 28 COMPLAINTS, AND FOR EACH OF THOSE, AN OFFICER, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A COMPLAINT, AN OFFICER REPORTS THAT HE USES THE L V N R, RIGHT? YES.
UM, SO, SO CHIEF I, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY AND TO HONOR, UH, THE INTENT OF COUNCILWOMAN ANDREWS, UH, C C R BEFORE I, I'M WILLING TO, UH, TO SAY, OH, THERE'S NOTHING MORE FOR US TO DO ON THIS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION AS I'VE REQUESTED TO, TO THE CHAIR.
UM, AND WE MAY FIND THAT YOU'RE, UM,
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THAT WE CONCUR IN TERMS OF, UH, THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE AND ALL THAT.SO I, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
UM, IN THE SAME WAY, CHIEF, UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE DEFINITION OF EXIGENT ISN'T, UM, ISN'T FIRM ENOUGH, AND THAT WE, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO HOLD US AS A CITY AND EVEN THE POLICE OFFICER ACCOUNTABLE UNLESS WE HAVE A TIGHTER DEFINITION ON THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT, I, I'M ALSO NOT READY TO SAY, HEY, EVERYTHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES IS, IS, OR THAT POLICY'S PERFECT, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A CRISPER UNDERSTANDING OF EXIGENT.
AND ALSO I, I MEAN, CHIEF ONE DAY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY CHOOSE TO RETIRE, AND ANOTHER CHIEF COMES ON, AND I THINK WE WANNA BE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT EXIGENT, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, MEAN.
SO, UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I DO BELIEVE THAT BOTH POLICIES, UH, NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, IN, IN COMMITTEE, UH, BEFORE WE CAN, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, EVERYTHING'S GREAT AND, AND GOOD TO GO.
AND THEN MY MY LAST QUESTION, UH, HAS TO DO WITH, UM, QUALIFIED IMMUNITY.
SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO DO A TOTAL BAN ON L V N R, DOESN'T A POLICE OFFICER STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DEFEND HIM OR HERSELF, UH, WITH QUALIFIED IMMUNITY? HOW DID, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH, UM, WITH THESE CLAIMS? I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF YOU CHIEF OR, OR THE ATTORNEY COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DEFER TO, TO ANDY, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, COUNCILMAN.
IT DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH A POLICE OFFICER CAN USE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY.
BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THOUGH TO KEEP IN MIND IS, YOU KNOW, QUALIFIED IMMUNITY, UH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT APPLY TO CIVIL OR CRIMINAL.
BUT WHAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT, UH, IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION THAT, OR WHATEVER MANEUVER A POLICE OFFICER HAS TO USE TO SAVE HIS OWN LIFE, UM, THAT, UH, HE DOESN'T FACE A SITUATION WHERE HE'S VIOLATING A POLICY.
UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO, TO TO POINT OUT IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE SEEN, THIS IS NOT THEORETICAL.
WE'VE SEEN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A POLICE OFFICER HAS USED DEESCALATION TACTICS, EVERYTHING IS WORKING WELL.
HE GETS TO THE POINT WHERE HE IS, UH, GONNA ARREST AN INDIVIDUAL, HE'S ABOUT TO PUT THE HANDCUFFS ON, AND THAT INDIVIDUAL TURNS AROUND AND WRESTLES THE POLICE OFFICER TO THE GROUND.
UM, AND I'M GONNA BE BLUNT HERE, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT BECOMES NOW A DEATH STRUGGLE.
THE POLICE OFFICER MUST, HE MUST ASSUME THAT THE INDIVIDUAL HE'S WRESTLING WITH IS GONNA TAKE HIS WEAPON AND SHOOT HIM.
AND SO I THINK THE POINT THAT THE CHIEF AND, AND THE STAFF IS MAKING IS IF AN OFFICER IS IN THAT SITUATION, UH, WE DO NOT WANNA REMOVE ANY MANEUVER, UM, WHETHER THAT BE CHOKE HOLES, WHETHER THAT BE BITING, GOUGING, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD GIVE HIM THE UPPER HAND WHEN HE'S, WHEN A DEATH STRUGGLE WITH SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO TAKE HIS WEAPON.
UM, AND SO, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE, I MEAN, THAT'S THE EXCEPTION I THINK THAT THE CHIEF IS TRYING TO POINT OUT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE POLICY WHERE THAT, THAT WOULD APPLY.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN AN OFFICER FEAR FOR HIS LIFE AND SHOOTS, IS THAT BANNED? NO.
BUT HE CAN ALSO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AS, AS THE CHIEF POINTED OUT, UH, ANY MANEUVER, ANY TACTIC, UH, WHETHER IT'S CHOKE CALLS, WHETHER IT'S USING THE WEAPON, WHETHER IT'S USING THE TASER, WHETHER IT'S EVEN USING THE HANDCUFFS.
IF THE POLICE OFFICER IS DOING THAT INAPPROPRIATELY AGAINST POLICY, UH, YES, THEY CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, UH, THROUGH DISCIPLINE OR IF THESE, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, RAISE TO THAT LEVEL FOR, UH, FOR CRIMINAL VIOLATION.
COUNCILMAN PERRY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
AND NUMBER ONE, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANDY, FOR THOSE EXPLANATIONS.
AND I, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, THE EVIDENCE, WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS WORKING, AND IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, IT'S LIKE SENDING IN AN OFFICER TO A SITUATION WITH HIS HANDS
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HANDCUFFED.I DON'T LIKE TO SEND IN AN OFFICER INTO A SITUATION WHERE IT BECOMES A LIFE OR DEATH STRUGGLE, AND HE'S GOT HIS HANDS HANDCUFFED THAT THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO CONTINUE TO GET QUALITY PEOPLE TO SIGN UP TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? GO THROUGH HOW MANY WEEKS IS IT CHIEF THAT THEY GO THROUGH INITIAL TRAINING, HOW MANY WEEKS THEY GO THROUGH? UH, UH, SEVEN MONTHS.
ALRIGHT, SEVEN MONTHS OF TRAINING, INITIAL TRAINING, AND EVERY YEAR, HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL TRAINING DO THEY GET EVERY YEAR? EVERY OFFICER, HOW MUCH DO THEY GET? MINIMUM OF 40 HOURS.
I THINK WE GOT THE BEST TRAINED POLICE FORCE.
OUR DATA AND STATISTICS SHOW THAT VIOLENT CRIME RIGHT NOW IS ON THE RISE, AND YET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE ABILITY AND CAPABILITY OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
REMEMBER, VIOLENT CRIME IS ON THE RISE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND I'M NOT WILLING TO DO THAT TO OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE OUT ON THE STREET PROTECTING US ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
SO, NO, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
UH, JUST A SUGGESTION, UH, AND MAYBE I'LL ASK, UH, COUNCILMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN TO CLARIFY THE MOTION, BUT WE COULD, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO MAYBE CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION AT A B SESSION INSTEAD OF IT GOING WITH THE FULL, UH, COUNCIL FOR A, A VOTE OR FOR A, A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT WAY WE HAVE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS AND ALTER AS WE NEED, UM, BUT ALSO, UH, NOT DELAY THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, ANY MORE THAN WE HAVE TO.
SO, I, I DON'T KNOW, JAY, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
IF YOU WANNA, UM, MAYBE CLARIFY YOUR, YOUR MOTION EITHER WAY.
I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN HAVE A B SESSION, BUT I STILL, UH, THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S LIFE IS PROTECTED.
UM, THIS IS NOT JUST THE C C R FOR JUST THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS A C C R TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVING OUR OFFICERS THE BEST CHOICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
UM, AND SO I, I JUST, I WANT US TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO I STILL HAVE MY MOTION.
OH, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, YOU'RE MOVING TO MOVE FORWARD TO, TO FULL COUNCIL A SESSION OR B SESSION.
IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION BEFORE A SESSION AND B SESSION, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S OKAY, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, IF YOU NEED ME TO CLARIFY THE MOTION TO MOVE TO B SESSION PRIOR TO MOVING TO FULL COUNSEL, THAT'S MY MOTION.
THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN AND COUNCIL MI ARAN.
ARE YOU, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I'M VERY GOOD WITH THAT.
SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO MOVE, UM, BOTH ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE TO FULL COUNSEL B SESSIONS.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? CHAIR? NA, NAYYY.
UH, MME. CLARK, DID YOU WANNA, OR SOMEBODY TAKE YES, CHAIR.
UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET THE INFORMATION, UH, I REQUESTED DURING MY COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE B SESSION SO I CAN BE PREPARED FOR THAT DISCUSSION? YES.
UH, AND CHIEF AND MARIA, IF YOU WOULD, UM, PLEASE PREPARE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE THAT READY FOR THE SESSION WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED.
[6. 20-5059 Briefing and possible action on FY 2021 Proposed Police Budget [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
WE MOVE TO ITEM, UH, SIX, BRIEFING POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FY 2021, PROPOSED POLICE BUDGET, UM, PRESENTATION BY MARIA COUNCIL.UM, THE CHIEF IS GONNA MAKE THE, THE PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE, UH, ASSISTING HIM WITH QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, THIS PRESENTATION SUMMARIZES AND PROVIDES HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE FULL COUNCIL ON AUGUST THE 12TH.
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SLIDE, NEXT SLIDE.ON THE FIRST SLIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE F Y 2021 BUDGET, UM, COMPARED TO THE 2020 BUDGET.
AND IT'S A, UH, CHANGE OF $8 MILLION, FOUR 87 MILLION, UH, FROM FOUR 79 MILLION.
UH, AS WE GO DOWN THE LIST, WE SEE EVERY, EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH STAGNANT OR STATIC, I'M SORRY, STATIC.
AND THIS, THIS BUDGET COMPARED TO THE LAST FOUR FISCAL YEARS, UH, IT REFLECTS THE LOWEST INCREASE IN THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET IN TERMS OF DOLLAR AMOUNT AND PERCENTAGE.
SO, AS WE LOOK AT THE PIES HERE, UM, WE SEE THAT 85% OF THE GENERAL FUND PROPOSED BUDGET IS SPENT ON PERSONNEL COSTS, UH, WITH A FEW OTHER SLICES OF THE PIE THAT DEAL WITH CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND, UM, IT COSTS AND OTHER, UM, I CALL THEM MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
UH, 79% OF THE PERSONNEL COSTS IS DUE TO THE C B A, UH, 387 MILLION.
THAT'S DUE TO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
AND THEN NON C B A EXPENSES, EXPENSES IS 21% OF THAT TOTAL.
SO ON THE LEFT, WE'RE LOOKING AT PERSONNEL COSTS FOR NINE UNIFORMED, UM, PERSONNEL.
UH, THE LARGEST OF THAT, OF, OF THOSE UNITS IS THE 9 1 1 COMMUNICATION CENTER WITH ALMOST 300 CIVILIAN POSITIONS.
UM, AND ON DOWN TO THE, UH, RECRUITMENT AND PSYCHOLOGICAL SERVICES, WE HAVE 14 POSITIONS THERE.
UH, THAT'S FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR $41 MILLION, UM, AND 653 POSITIONS IN ALL.
AND THEN NON PERSONNEL COSTS, WE HAVE TECH SUPPORT, UH, OUR FLEET COSTS, TOWING CONTRACT, FACILITY MAINTENANCE, AND, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, EXPENSES TO, TO ENSURE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RUNS WELL, UH, 50 $56 MILLION, UH, IN TOTAL FOR THOSE EXPENSES.
YOU'VE HEARD ERIC TALK EACH TIME HE TALKS ABOUT THE BUDGET.
YOU'VE HEARD ERIC TALK ABOUT FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS THEY PERTAIN TO HIRING AND TRAINING, ACCOUNTABILITY AND DISCIPLINE DATA AND TRANSPARENCY, AND, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, UH, INTO THE NEW, NEW FISCAL YEAR.
UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OUR EXISTING POLICIES, UH, BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UH, I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT INCREASED FREQUENCY OF TRAINING BY ACQUIRING A VIRTUAL LEARNING PLATFORM.
UH, ACCOUNTABILITY AND DISCIPLINE IS CRITICAL TO THE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S CRITICAL TO COMMUNITY TRUST, DATA AND TRANSPARENCY.
UH, WE ARE, UM, BE ACQUIRING A NEW RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH WILL GO LIVE IN NOVEMBER.
UH, WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO, UH, SURVEYS, UH, WEBSITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE, WE'RE HAVING A, UH, UH, WE'RE MOVING THREE CIVILIAN POSITIONS TO THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION AND DATA, UH, TO HELP PROVIDE US WITH BETTER STATISTICS AND BETTER REPORTING.
WHAT IS OUR ROLE? THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN, UM, UM, TOPIC OF DISCUSSION NOW SINCE, UH, FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? SO, WHAT ANSWERED 200? WE, WE'VE RECEIVED 2.2 MILLION CALLS PER YEAR, UH, A MIL OVER A MILLION OF THOSE ARE, ARE EMERGENCY CALLS, 900,000 NON-EMERGENCY.
AND WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, SEVERAL MONTHS, IS A REVIEW OF THOSE CALLS TO SEE IF THERE COULD BE AN ALTERNATE RESPONSE TO JUST SS A P D RESPONDING BY THEMSELVES, BY OURSELVES.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED LOOKING AT THOSE CALLS.
YOU SEE THE LIST IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, FROM ABANDONED VEHICLES TO TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, UH, UM, SUSPICIOUS PERSONS IS THAT NOT ALL OF THESE CALLS NECESSARILY REQUIRE A POLICE OFFICER TO RESPOND.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CALLING THROUGH THEM TO SEE WHAT ALTERNATE TYPE OF RESPONSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.
THAT'S THE DIFFICULT PART OF THAT WORK.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE GOES, WE HAVE OUR COLLABORATIVE COMMISSION, WHICH HAS BEEN, UM, UM,
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UH, IN, UH, IN PLACE NOW FOR, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AT LEAST, UM, ON THAT COLLABORATIVE COMMISSION.UM, WE HAVE JUDGES, WE HAVE METRO HEALTH, WE HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, B C S O, AND OTHER, UH, STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN WORKING AGAINST, UM, UM, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A 2020 COPS GRANT THAT GAVE US, UH, 25 DETECTIVES THAT WILL BE ASSIGNED TO C R T.
UM, THEY WILL PROVIDE A STRONGER RESPONSE, UH, DURING THE TIMES RIGHT NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE STRONGEST RESPONSE.
UH, WEEKENDS AND OVERNIGHTS, UH, THAT'LL FILL THAT GAP.
AND THOSE, THOSE 25 POSITIONS, UM, THEY WILL BE WORKING OUT OF, UH, METRO HEALTH.
UM, YOU SEE THE FOUR TYPES OF, UM, RESPONSES TO MENTAL HEALTH, THAT, THAT THE, UM, THREE OF THEM ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UM, CASE MANAGEMENT, UM, OUR S A P CHRON, UH, CASE STA, CHRONIC CASE STABILIZATION UNIT.
AND OUR HOPE TEAM, UH, WE HAVE OUR PICK PROGRAM, PICK STANDS FOR THE, UH, PROGRAM FOR INTENSE INTENSIVE CARE COORDINATION.
UM, IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM, WE DO CASE FOLLOW UP FOR THE TOP A HUNDRED U UTILIZERS.
UH, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY'RE TAKING THEIR MEDICATION, THAT THEY'RE DOING FOLLOW UPS WITH THEIR, UH, WITH THEIR PROVIDERS.
AND THEN LASTLY, OUR CA UH, CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM, UH, WHICH COMES UNDER OUR MENTAL HEALTH UNIT.
UM, UM, EVERYONE, UM, UH, EVERYONE HAS HEARD ABOUT OUR, UM, OUR MENTAL HEALTH UNIT AND HOW IT'S BEEN RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY, UH, FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, A MOBILE CRISIS TEAM, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN AT THE MOMENT.
UH, MOVING FORWARD, OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE IN DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, USING COMMUNITY INPUT, UH, TO HELP US WITH ANY CHANGES WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE.
UH, WE WANNA FOCUS ON HOW TO BEST SERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE WHAT THE BEST RESPONSE TO CERTAIN CALLS MAY BE.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, DISCUSSING THE EVOLVING ROLES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, THAT TIES IN WITH THAT, UH, BEST RESPONSE, UM, WITH HOW TO BEST RESPOND TO THOSE CRIMES OR TO THOSE CALLS.
SO, UM, THAT'S IT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE BUDGET.
AND, UH, ANY QUESTIONS I'LL TAKE.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, UH, WHAT OTHER PROGRAM AREAS WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR POSSIBLE REMOVAL FROM S A T D THAT MAY IMPACT THIS BUDGET AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER, GO AHEAD, MARIA.
AND AS, UH, THE CHIEF, UH, MENTIONED, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING CALLS THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE A, UH, ALTERNATIVE WAY OF RESPONDING RATHER, RATHER THAN JUST S A P D.
UM, BUT TO SPECIFICALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, THE, THE PLAN THAT THE CITY MANAGER LAID OUT ON AUGUST THE SIXTH, UH, THAT WILL TAKE, UM, AN ASSESSMENT OF SOME INTERNAL, INTERNAL TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DID SHE MENTION THOSE FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES, INCLUDING TRAINING AND DISCIPLINE, UM, TO HAVING, UM, COMMUNITY INPUT ON WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR SAN ANTONIO? SO THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE, UH, IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THAT WE WILL LIKE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, UH, AFTER THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED, AND HAVE THAT DIALOGUE SO WE CAN COME BACK WITH, UM, UH, DATA INFORMED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL ON AREAS PERHAPS THAT WE COULD MOVE OUT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, OUR GOAL AT THIS POINT IS TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN APRIL.
UH, POTENTIALLY WE NEEDED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS MID-YEAR.
UH, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS A PROCESS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO TAKE TO REALLY, ONE, HAVE DATA INFORMED DECISIONS AND TWO, UM, GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO THE COMMUNITY TO TELL US WHAT DO THEY ENVISION THOSE ENCOUNTERS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WE, UM, RETHINK THE WAY THAT WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'M GONNA GO AND REVERSE THE ORDER THIS TIME.
SO I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN PERRY.
UH, CHIEF ON, UM, I THINK YOU'VE PULLED TOGETHER A, A WORKABLE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.
I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE C B A, UM, ON, ON SOME OF THE MOVEMENT OF FUNCTIONS INTO OTHER AREAS.
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YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, MOVING SOME, WAS IT SOME, UM, C R T AND, UM, THE DATA ANALYSIS PEOPLE? RIGHT.AND I, I GUESS I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THAT TAKES THREE POSITIONS TO DO THE DATA ANALYSIS.
I, UM, THAT, THAT JUST, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT.
UH, IS THAT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN DATA ANALYSIS? NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, OTHER FOLKS OVER THERE IN ANALYTICS THAT, UH, WILL PULL CRIME STATS AND, AND, UH, UM, PLAY WITH THE DATA TO GIVE US THE BEST READ ON WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
BUT THESE THREE POSITIONS WILL, WILL BE A, UM, KIND OF A MORE SPECIALIZED, WILL BE MORE SPECIALIZED POSITIONS THAT, UH, WILL GIVE US ACTUALLY A, A MORE DETAILED AND DEEPER LOOK INTO WHAT OUR CURRENT ANALYTICS FOLKS ARE DOING.
AND, UH, JUST JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE, UH, THE C R T FOLKS THAT ARE MOVING TO METRO HEALTH ARE NOT THE SWORN FOLKS.
THEY'RE THE, THE CIVILIAN, UH, PART OF C R T.
SO THERE'S STILL GONNA BE AN ANALYTICS PORTION WITHIN THE SS A P D? YES, SIR.
AND HOW, HOW, HOW ARE THEY GONNA, HOW ARE THEY GONNA WORK TOGETHER? I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT LOGISTICALLY, UH, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
HAVING, HAVING THAT FUNCTION SPLIT UP BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
I, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE USUALLY YOU WANT EVERYBODY IN THE SAME ROOM THAT'S DEALING WITH, UH, DATA, DATA ANALYSIS, BEING ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND, AND, AND, UH, WORK WITH THIS STUFF.
AND TO, TO MOVE THOSE THREE OUT.
UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ON FRAGMENTED THE, THE OPERATION.
UH, IF, IF I MAY, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE UNITS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT DO THE DATA REPORT ARE THE, DO THE DATA ANALYTIC ANALYTICS TO PULL CRIME STATISTICS AND INFORMATION THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE, THAT'S GONNA STAY WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WHAT WE DID IS THAT WE IDENTIFIED THREE VACANT POSITIONS THAT WE ARE REPURPOSING TO DO AN ENHANCEMENT AND TRANSPARENCY.
SO THIS IS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, UM, TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
LIKE THAT, THE QUESTION, THE COUNCILWOMAN, AS SANDOVAL ASKED, UM, THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO DO THAT WORK ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
UM, I GET REQUESTS FROM, FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALSO THE CHIEF AND MYSELF.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, MORE, UM, ANALYSIS DONE OF THE DATA WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO, SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THIS IS AN ENHANCEMENT.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM, UH, WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY DOING.
AND HAVING THEM IN INNOVATION WILL PROVIDE, UM, A, A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, TO THE, TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED BY, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS AND AGAIN, BE MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW THAT'S NOT BEING PROVIDED NOW, UM, THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND HOW THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY BE ENHANCED BY SPLITTING THEM OFF AND TAKING THEM TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE CITY.
I, I'M, I'M, IF SOMEBODY COULD SIT DOWN WITH ME AND SHOW ME AND SHOW ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THEM WORKING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT VERSUS ANOTHER ORGANIZATION AND HOW THAT IS AN ENHANCEMENT.
I, I'D JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
UM, CHIEF, WEREN'T, WEREN'T YOU ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, CONVERTING SOME POSITIONS TO, UH, NON-SWORN OFFICERS, OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT? NO, SIR.
UM, YEAH, IF I CAN GET SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT, UH, OTHERWISE, UM, THE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INCREASE IS ABOUT AND WHY IT'S HAPPENING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, YEAH, I'M, I'M SUPPORTING THE BUDGET AS, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL? UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UH, SOME, SOME A A FEW QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THE APPROACH OF CAREFULLY LOOKING AT HOW POLICE PROVIDE SERVICE AND IS THERE A, WHAT A BETTER AND MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF DELIVERING THAT SERVICE FOR OUR TAXPAYERS IN OUR RESIDENTS.
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HAS PUT FORWARD FOR US TO CAREFULLY LOOK AT THAT.I'VE, I'VE SAID OUR, UH, POLICE OFFICERS ARE, UH, SOME OF OUR HIGHEST PAID PERSONNEL, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE USE THEIR TIME WISELY AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE BEFORE, UH, WE ADOPT THIS BUDGET, UH, MARIA, AND, UH, AND CHIEF IS A MORE SPECIFIC TIMELINE AND OUTLINE FOR THAT PLAN.
WE'VE SEEN A FEW PARAGRAPHS OF IT.
UH, WE'VE SEEN SOME POWERPOINT SLIDES.
UH, I THINK THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PROCESS.
IT COULD VERY MUCH CHANGE THE WAY WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE SIGNING UP FOR.
SO WHAT THE TIMELINE IS, WHAT THE GOALS ARE, HOW THE OUTREACH IS GONNA BE DONE.
IS THERE FUNDING SET ASIDE FOR THE OUTREACH? UM, SO KEN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER? MARIA? YES.
COUNCILMAN, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UH, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, OR MAYBE IT WAS LAST YEAR, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW NYS UH, SYSTEM.
THERE WAS, UH, CAPTAIN FOX CAME AND GAVE US A PRESENTATION.
SHE WAS EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITIES.
SHE GOT ME EXCITED ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITIES ABOUT THIS NEW SYSTEM.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS EXCITED ABOUT IS SHE SAID IT WOULD REDUCE THE TIME THAT OFFICERS SPEND ON PUTTING TOGETHER, UH, POLICE REPORTS OR PUTTING THEM OUT.
BUT I THINK I SAW SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO INCREASE THE STAFF BECAUSE OF THE NEW SYSTEM.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING? COUNCIL MEMBER? THAT'S, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF FOLKS IN RECORDS, NOT THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, WE, WE ARE, UM, WE EXPECT THAT IT'LL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT POLICE OFFICERS SPEND WRITING REPORTS.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT REQ IS REQUIRED BY BRS, WE'VE GOTTA INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CIVILIANS THAT WORK IN OUR RECORDS DEPARTMENT AND COUNCILWOMAN TO AUGMENT WITH THE CHIEF MENTION, UM, BRS REQUIRES A MORE DESEGREGATED DATA OF CRIME STATISTICS COMPARED TO U C R, SO THAT WE, WE WILL GO LIVE, UM, NOVEMBER OF 2020 WITH, UH, WITH THE NEW R M S.
OUR FIRST REPORT THAT IS DUE TO THE F B I IS DUE IN JANUARY, 2021.
AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT SWITCH AND BE ABLE TO COMPARE DATA BACK TO THE ALL U C R SYSTEM NOW THAT WE'RE SWITCHING TO
SO THE CIVILIAN POSITIONS THAT WE, UH, AND WE DIDN'T ADD 'EM, WE REORGANIZED 'EM WITHIN THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE CONVERTED SOME, UM, TEMPORARY SALARIES INTO, INTO THIS POSITIONS, UM, WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION AND CONTINUE WITH OUR REPORTING.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO ANALYZE THE, THE, THE NEW SYSTEM.
AND IF, IF ONCE WE DO THE TRANSITION AND WE, THE SYSTEM STABLE, I WILL EVALUATE THE NEED FOR, FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL CIVILIANS THAT, THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT.
UH, AND THEN THE, THE LAST QUESTION, OR THE, THE LAST COMMENT I HAVE IS, UH, EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT IS STRUGGLING TO SOME EXTENT.
THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, MARIA, YOU'VE BEEN AND ER, HAVE HAD TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO GET THE BUDGET BALANCED.
UM, YET THIS BUDGET IS BIGGER, RIGHT? UH, SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE C B A, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH A LOOK AT SOME OF OUR REGULAR PRACTICES AND, UM, CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE CONTINUE TO FUND THEM.
AND I DON'T MEAN, UH, I DON'T MEAN ANYTHING EARTH SHATTERING, BUT EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT HAS HAD TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YOU'RE HOLDING VACANCIES EVERYWHERE ELSE.
SO WHAT I, UM, I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE HIRE NEW OFFICERS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO NEW, UH, TWO CADET CLASSES, UH, NEXT YEAR, WHICH WILL BE RESULT IN POSSIBLY HIRING OF 80, UH, 80 OFFICERS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OUR, OUR STARTING PAY FOR NEW POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT YOUR HONOR.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ALSO OFFICER OFFER NEW OFFICERS A SIGNING BONUS ONCE THEY BEGIN, WE'RE REEVALUATING.
WE'RE, WE'RE RE THAT'S CORRECT.
CURRENTLY, AND WE ARE REEVALUATING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.
THERE IS $725,000, SO THAT'S ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS SET ASIDE FOR SIGNING BONUSES FOR NEXT YEAR.
I THINK GIVEN THE PANDEMIC AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE DYING
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AND SO MANY PEOPLE WHO NEED ASSISTANCE RIGHT NOW, THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE BETTER REDIRECTED FOR HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.AND I HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE CAN USE IT.
SO I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT TO, UH, MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES.
COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL, COUNCILWOMAN, THANK YOU CHAIR.
I'M GONNA TRY AND, AND GO THROUGH THEM KIND OF QUICKLY.
UM, AND GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET, UH, THE THANK YOU FOR THE LINE BY LINE DETAILED BUDGET OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, APPRECIATE THAT.
COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, THAT I'LL FOLLOW UP ON.
SO I'LL TELL YOU NOW, MARIA, ONE, IF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THE, UH, TO SPOA TO ASK THEM ABOUT THEIR 5% OR, UH, A LESS THAN PERCENT, UM, INCREASE ON THE SALARIES.
AND NUMBER TWO, LOOKING AT THE LINE BY LINE LINE ITEM UNDER PATROL PERSONNEL.
SO PATROL PERSONNEL, IT'S ABOUT 198.7 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS FOR PATROL PERSONNEL TOTAL.
SO, BUT THEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BREAKOUT, IT'S PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM, YOU HAVE SS V U, YOU HAVE HOMICIDE, AND WITH ALL PERSONNEL SALARIES AS WELL.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, EVEN IN THOSE PROGRAMS, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE, UH, TO ME, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE DETAILED BUDGET, HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT YOU, WHEN WHAT WE'RE PAYING WITH PERSONNEL SALARIES ARE CIVILIANS AND HOW MANY MAKE UP UNIFORMS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE, UM, HOMICIDE AREA, HOW MANY ARE UNIFORM AND HOW MANY ARE, UM, CIVILIAN THEN? SO IF WE HAVE 198.7 MILLION GOING TOWARDS PERSONNEL FOR PATROL, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THAT'S NOT, THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME OFFICERS THAT ARE ALSO GETTING PAID OUT OF TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OR IS IT? NO, COUNCILMAN.
SO THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OFFICERS.
AND SO THEN THE, THEN I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE KEY IN THE BUDGET.
C R T PERSONNEL IS 2.4 MILLION, THEN, IS THAT ALL JUST UNIFORM OFFICERS? BECAUSE WE MOVED OVER THE CIVILIANS? UM, IS THE C R T IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH, UH, CIVILIANS IN UNIFORM.
SO WE ARE MOVING, UM, LIKE THE CHIEF MENTIONED ABOUT 25 OF THOSE POSITIONS, UM MM-HMM.
WHAT REMAINS IS UNIFORMS AND THE VALUE OF THAT, OF THE UNIFORM PORTION OF C R T IS $3.8 MILLION.
SO, SO THAT UNIFORM COMPONENT OF THE C R T STAYS WITHIN SS A P D, THE CIVILIAN PORTION IS A PIECE THAT IS MOVING, UM, TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN WE, WE STILL GO AHEAD COUNCIL.
AND THAT 2.4 IS PAYING FOR THE, FOR THE UNIFORMS IN S A P D, THE 3.7 MILLION IS SPENT FOR THE UNIFORMS. OKAY.
I DO HAVE, UM, SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND IN EVERY DEPARTMENT THEN, WHEN IT'S LINED AND SAYS MEMBERSHIP DUES, THAT IS THE CITY PAYING THE PORTION OF MEMBERSHIP DUES TOWARDS SE OA, CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN I JUST DO ALSO WANT TO OUT THAT, UM, YES, WE HAVE A VERY GREAT MENTAL HEALTH UNIT AND OUR MENTAL HEALTH UNIT THOUGH IS ONLY LOOKING AT 1.78 MILLION IN THE PERSONNEL PORTION.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO BUILD AND BE ROBUST.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW BETWEEN, UM, OF COURSE, CIVILIAN AND UNIFORM IN THAT UNIT, UNLESS IT'S ALL UNIFORM IN THAT UNIT.
AND THEN, UM, UNDER THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM WITHIN THE SS A P D, UH, BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA CONTINUE WITH OUR OUTREACH TO THE SS A P D.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT AREA.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD HELP AS WE'RE MAKING THESE CHANGES IN OUR SS A P D,
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UH, ALSO VICTIMS' ADVOCACY.I KNOW I'M DOWN 23 SECONDS, I MIGHT CHIME BACK IN 'CAUSE I HAVE THREE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ASSET SEIZURE DETAIL, VICTIM'S ADVOCACY.
AND, UM, I DO WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, MARIA, THOUGH, I THINK I MENTIONED IT TO YOU, UM, YOU AND ERIC, PEOPLE KEEP ASKING US ABOUT AUSTIN AND WHY CAN'T WE DO WHAT AUSTIN DID.
CAN YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT AUSTIN DID IF YOU KNOW, UH, YES, COUNCILWOMAN? UM, SO THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UM, REMOVED A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FROM THEIR, FROM THEIR POLICE BUDGET.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT BREAKDOWN IS, UH, MORE THAN HALF WENT TO, UM, UNITS TO OTHER PLACES WITHIN THE CITY ORGANIZATION, LIKE THEIR NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER.
SO IT WAS NOT A REDUCTION IN, IN COST TO THE TOTAL BUDGET, BUT RATHER A REALLOCATION OF RESOURCES.
UM, I, SO I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, THAT THE MAJORITY OF, OF THOSE, UM, FUNCTIONS WERE JUST MOVED WITHIN OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE, THE CITY AND, AND, AND THE CITY STILL EVALUATING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD BE CREATING NEW ORGANIZATIONS OR, OR NEW DEPARTMENTS, IF YOU WILL, TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS.
UM, THE PIECE THAT THEY REDUCE, UM, UH, PRIMARILY MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I CAN GIVE YOU A FULL REPORT ON ALL THE DETAILS, IS THAT THEY ARE, UM, CANCELING ALL OF THEIR CLASSES FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND THAT IS GOING TO SAVE, UM, UH, OF COURSE A SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
BUT THAT MEANS THAT THEIR NUMBER OF VACANCIES IS GOING TO, TO TO INCREASE AS THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY ACADEMIC CLASSES.
BUT AGAIN, I WILL PROVIDE THE COMMITTEE A MORE, UH, IN-DEPTH REVIEW OF, UH, OF THEIR, THEIR BUDGET.
THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION, MARIA.
COUNCILMAN
AND, UM, I ONLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ALREADY ASKED BY MY COLLEAGUES AND I THANK THEM SO MUCH FOR THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, UNDER THE S A P D BUDGET RIGHT NOW, AS WE'RE SEEING IT, UM, WHAT EXACTLY AND HOW MUCH EXACTLY, UH, IS BEING REALLOCATED TO COMMUNITY RESOURCES? UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UM, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION, REALLOCATED, LIKE MOVING OUT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS A C R T THAT IS A PIECE, THE 20, UM, PLUS POSITIONS ARE MOVING TO METRO HEALTH.
SO EXACTLY HOW MUCH IN DOLLARS IS BEING REALLOCATED TO COMMUNITY RESOURCES? $1.3 MILLION IS THE VALUE OF THOSE POSITIONS.
AND IS THAT THE ONLY THING THAT IS MOVING OUT THAT IS BEING REALLOCATED TO OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICES? UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES, YES.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE THREE POSITIONS THAT COUNCILMAN PERRY WAS ASKING, UH, TO DO DATA ANALYSIS THAT THOSE THREE POSITIONS ARE MOVING TO THE INNOVATION OFFICE.
AND THE COST OF THOSE THREE POSITIONS IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 250, $260,000.
AND UNDER THE, UM, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, UM, AND CRIME OR VIOLENCE PREVENTION, UM, I KNOW WE'RE ADDING 16 POSITIONS, UM, UNDER THE, UH, SA SPAN TO METRO HEALTH.
AND HOW MUCH IS THAT AGAIN? UM, THE TOTAL COST COUNCILWOMAN, UH, WE'RE DOING A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WE'RE MAKING SOME OF THE EXISTING POSITIONS FULL-TIME AND THEN ADDING, UH, ADDITIONAL POSITIONS TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM TO THE WEST SIDE.
AS RIGHT NOW THE PROGRAM IS ON THE EAST SIDE, SO THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT HAPPENS TO BE $1.3 MILLION AS WELL FOR THAT EXPANSION OF THE PROGRAM.
AND UNDER THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE UNDER, UH, ERIC'S STRUCTURE, HE'S LOOKING AT THAT ALSO GOING INTO THE METRO HEALTH.
AND DO WE KNOW, IS THAT GONNA BE CIVILIAN DRIVEN OR IS THAT GONNA BE, UM, A UNIFORMED OFFICERS AS WELL? SO WE HAVE AN ALLOCATION OF ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
UH, WE HAVEN'T, UM, EXPLORED OR OR FINALIZE HOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZED.
WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY, TO OUR CENTER FOR HEALTHCARE SERVICES FOR POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN APPLY THOSE DOLLARS.
UM, AND THEN WITHIN THIS DATA INFORMED ROLE AND, AND STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, ARE WE LOOKING AT
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HOW THIS MOVEMENT RESTRUCTURING REALLOCATION, WILL ASSIST THE OFFICERS IN THEIR RESPONSE TIME? THE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF, YOU CAN CHIME IN.THE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY, UM, ANALYZES THE, THE RESPONSE TIME, SO THE OFFICERS AND HOW THEIR ALLOCATING THEIR TIMES TO CALLS, AND THAT'S HOW THEY DO THEIR STAFFING ACROSS THE SUBSTATIONS IN, IN DIFFERENT SHIFTS.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.
CHIEF, IF YOU WANNA ADD TO YEAH, IT'S BROKEN DOWN.
BE, BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY TO, TO CALL VOLUME, UH, UH, PER SUBSTATION ACROSS THE CITY.
UH, WE, WE SHOOT FOR A 60 40 RATIO.
60 60% OF AN OFFICER'S TIME IS SPENT ON CALL AND 40% OF THEIR TIME OFF CALL.
UM, WE SHOOT FOR THAT BALANCE AS BEST WE CAN.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH, WITH DOING SOME DATA ANALYSIS, AND I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WITHIN DOING THIS DATA ANALYSIS AND AS WE'RE LOOKING AT RESTRUCTURING AND REALLOCATING, IF WE CAN LOOK AT IF THIS IS GOING TO HELP AND ASSIST A, UM, OFFICER WITH THEIR RESPONSE TIME, UM, BEING THAT IF WE'RE TAKING OUT THE, UH, THE VIOLENCE AND MENTAL HEALTH AND, UM, ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, DOING S A STAND, WHAT DOES THAT TRULY MEAN FOR AN OFFICER? HOW, HOW DOES THAT DATA ALL SHAPE UP FOR THAT PARTICULAR OFFICER'S RESPONSE TIME? THAT'S THE INFORMATION I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND THAT, AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER THAT, THAT WOULD, UM, POTENTIALLY, UH, INC OR DECREASE IN OFFICER'S RESPONSE TIMES IF WE WERE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE CALLS AWAY.
UM, SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION I WAS LOOKING FOR, CHIEF, THANK YOU.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED UNDER THE C D A AND I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILWOMAN VE GRANT'S, UM, REQUEST.
I KNOW SHE MADE THIS REQUEST WHEN THE BUDGET WAS FIRST PRESENTED TO FIND OUT THROUGH
EVEN THOUGH WE ARE OBLIGATED THROUGH THE C D A, IF THERE IS A, A POTENTIAL OF COLLABORATING WITH SE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVEN THE BEST RESOURCES, UM, TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT IS DEFINITELY WORTH HAVING.
UH, I'M GONNA TAKE ANOTHER ROUND.
COUNCILMAN PERRY, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT I'M ALSO ON THE FIRE AND POLICE PENSION FUND, AND I'M HAVING THEM PUT TOGETHER DATA OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT SHOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE RETIRING FROM THE FORCE AND WHAT THE CLASS SIZES ARE COMING OUT AND HOW MANY ARE GRADUATING.
AND I'M, I'M PUTTING THAT DATA TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET OURSELVES IN A TRICK THAT WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHERE WE ACTUALLY CANCELED A NUMBER OF CLASSES.
IN FACT, IT WAS A YEAR OR TWO YEARS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY CLASSES THAT GOT US BEHIND IN, UM, UM, OUR, OUR ASSIGNED VERSUS AUTHORIZED POSITIONS.
I THINK WE WERE LIKE 500 BELOW WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY AUTHORIZED.
SO I'M GONNA BE CONTINUING TO WATCH THAT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT DATA WITH YOU.
UH, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO CLASSES THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN AN UPTICK IN THE NUMBER OF RETIREMENTS AND THE THING THAT HAS SPIKED THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T EXPECTING.
THERE'S ACTUALLY PEOPLE RE JUST QUITTING THE FORCE.
AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THOSE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS BEFORE.
AND SO, UH, WE'VE GOT TWO DYNAMICS WORKING RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE AN OLDER POLICE FORCE, UH, AND WE HAVE A YOUNGER POLICE FORCE.
WE DON'T HAVE REALLY A, A, UH, UH, A LARGE MIDDLE, UM, IF YOU WILL, AGES IN THAT, IN OUR TOTAL FORCE.
SO PEOPLE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO RETIRE.
AND THIS NEW DYNAMIC OF PEOPLE JUST QUITTING THE POLICE FORCE.
WE HAD AN EXAMPLE OF ONE PERSON WAS IN FOR A YEAR AND THEY QUIT.
AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THAT WE DON'T FALL BEHIND IN OUR TOTAL, UM, TOTAL ASSIGNED VERSUS WHAT WE'RE AUTHORIZED.
AND TO THIS DAY, WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST PER CAPITA IN, IN POLICE OFFICERS TO THE POPULATION.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT SAN ANTONIO IS CONTINUING TO GROW.
SO AS IT GROWS, WE'RE GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND
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WHAT OUR ASSIGNED OFFICERS ARE TO THE POPULATION.SO, UH, I'M GONNA BE WATCHING THAT LIKE A HAWK AND I'M GONNA BE CONTINUING TO BEAT THAT DRUM HERE IN THE FUTURE IF WE CONTINUE TO GET BEHIND THAT POWER CURVE.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL, DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UM, OKAY.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN
UM, SO I WANTED TO GO BACK TO, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, VICTIM'S ADVOCACY.
THE PERSONNEL IS ABOUT $619,000.
THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO, UM, INVEST IN IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND THE V I P PROGRAM, WHICH MANY, UH, CONSTITUENTS, AND IT'S A COMMUNITY OUTREACH KIND OF THING AS WELL, WHICH I KNOW A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS LIKE TO BE A PART OF.
I THINK IF WE'RE SHIFTING THE NARRATIVE, BUT STILL DOING THE, THE WORK.
I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON.
UM, AND THEN PSYCHOLOGICAL SERVICES, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ME, UM, WHAT, HOLD ON WITH THAT.
SO FIRST OFF, CHIEF, IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT GOING TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR? GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS JUST YET.
WELL, I'M GONNA ASK YOU NEXT WEEK AND I HOPE YOU HAVE THE ANSWER FOR ME.
UH, PSYCHOLOGICAL SERVICES IN THE BUDGET, THE CURRENT YEAR TO TOTAL.
UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE DETAILS OF THAT.
MARIA, PLEASE AND CHIEF ABOUT WHAT ALL OF THAT ENTAILS WHEN IT COMES TO PSYCHOLOGICAL SERVICES AND THE SERVICES THAT WE GIVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
I COULD, UH,
AND, UH, SHE'S PREPARED TO, UH, AT LEAST GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF THAT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD LOVE THAT CHAIR IF WE CAN DO THAT.
WHO, WHERE IS THAT? WHERE ARE YOU? OH, YOU'RE UNDER, YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOUR, UM, YOUR AUDIO.
UH, I THINK WE CAN HEAR YOU, DR.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? I THINK YOU TURN OFF YOUR, UM, HOW ABOUT NOW? BETTER? GOOD.
YOU TRYING TO PROVIDE PROBABLY NOW.
SO, PSYCHOLOGICAL SERVICES IS INVOL IS INVOLVED.
IT PROVIDES A LOT OF DIFFERENT SERVICES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE IS, UH, FREE COUNSELING TO OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE CAREER.
WE'RE ALSO HIGHLY INVOLVED WITH TRAINING, SO WE DO IN-SERVICE TWICE A WEEK.
UM, WE MEET WITH THE CADETS AND WE HELP WITH STRESS MANAGEMENT.
THERE'S THREE PSYCHOLOGISTS ON THE DEPARTMENT, SO THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE BUDGET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,
I GUESS WRITTEN FORM OR ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET THAT TO YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND COPYING, UM, ALL OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, DR.
ANDREW SULLIVAN, DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
UH, FOR ME, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE
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WHAT EXACTLY WE ARE SPENDING THE 19 MILLION UNDER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND UNDER THE COMMODITIES, WHAT WE'RE SPENDING THE 5 MILLION ON.UM, I LIKE TO SEE THAT BROKEN DOWN.
AND I WILL TELL YOU A COUPLE OF BIG, UH, CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, $6.4 MILLION, SO THAT IS OUR TOWING CONTRACT AND ABOUT, UM, 3.2 OR 3.4 MILLION AS A MEDICAL EXAMINER CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY.
BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO, UM, PROVIDE IN THE FOLLOW UP MEMO, THE, THE OTHER, UH, ITEMS THAT MAKE UP THAT LINE ITEM.
YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UH, WE HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS, ISSUES WITH COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL.
DO YOU, CAN YOU HEAR US? COUNCILMAN SANDAL? GO AHEAD.
UM, SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, I DO WANNA GO BACK TO THE PLAN FOR REEVALUATING THE, THE POLICE FORCE.
UM, OR SORRY, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS IS A NEARLY A $500 MILLION BUDGET, CERTAINLY WORTH IT TO DO IT WITH A BUDGET OF THIS SIZE, UH, IF WE WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF, OF PUBLIC MONEY.
SO, UM, MARIA, IN, IN ADDITION TO HAVING THAT, THAT PLAN, I, I ALSO WANTED TO, TO BRING UP THAT THE MAYOR ISSUED A MEMO EARLIER THIS SUMMER, UH, CHARGING PUBLIC SAFETY WITH, UM, DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, LIKE REVIEWING, UH, USE OF FORCE POLICIES.
AND IT ALSO CHARGED, UH, THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND EQUITY COMMITTEE, UH, WITH REVIEWING, UH, SOME ISSUES REGARDING GENDER AND RACIAL EQUITY, UH, IN BEST PRACTICES AND POLICING AROUND THAT.
AND ALSO, UM, RESPONDING TO MENTAL HEALTH CALLS.
SO, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN THAT YOU, UH, THAT ERIC IS PUTTING TOGETHER, THAT THERE IS A ROLE THAT IS INTEGRATING THE ROLE OF THE TWO COMMITTEES, UH, PER THE MAYOR'S MEMO.
I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS A YES, ALTHOUGH, SORRY, YES,
AND, AND THE OTHER, I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE A COMMENT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE SAW VERY MUCH MORE DETAIL IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION THAN WE HAVE SEEN, UH, SO FAR WHEN WE WENT TO FULL COUNSEL.
AND, AND THAT MAY BE ON US, MARIA, THAT WE DIDN'T GET YOU, UM, ENOUGH DETAILED QUESTIONS IN TIME.
BUT I, I DO THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE TO REVIEW, UH, CHAIR, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, UH, THREE THINGS I'D I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT BEFORE I FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THE BUDGET ARE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RECRUITMENT DETAIL AND THE TRAINING ACADEMY.
WHEN YOU ADD THOSE TWO UP, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEARLY $12 MILLION, AND I'VE ASKED IN THE PAST, UM, WHY IS ALL OF THAT WITHIN PD? WHY IS THAT NOT SOME OF THAT IN HR? UM, THE OTHER, UH, THING THAT I NOTICED ON TODAY'S SLIDES IS THERE WAS A NEARLY A $19 MILLION, UH, ITEM FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND MORE DETAILS, UH, ON THAT AS WELL.
COUNCILWOMAN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED, UM, DESCRIPTION FOR EACH OF THE PROGRAMS AND ALSO, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT TECHNOLOGY BUDGET OF $19 MILLION.
MOST OF IT ABOUT 14 MILLION IS THE IT ASSESSMENT THAT WE ARE ASSESSED BY THE IT DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THE FUNCTIONS THEY SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT I, I'LL FOLLOW UP ON, ON A, ON A WRITTEN MEMO WITH THAT DETAIL.
MARIA, AGAIN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COPYING ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, PLEASE.
UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK HERE.
UH, IF, UH, MADAM CLERK COULD, UM, I, I WAS WANNA GO BACK TO PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MINUTE, MAKE SURE WE'RE, UM, ADDRESSING, UM, THAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UH, THERE WERE SOME IN OPPOSITION AND SOME IN COURT, BUT CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHICH ITEMS THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION SUPPORT TO? YES, CHAIR.
UM, REGARDING ITEM SEVEN, UH, SIX THAT WE ARE ON RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 45 COMMENTS SUBMITTED FOR ITEM SIX OF THE 45, 5 ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE BUDGET, THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND 31 ARE OPPOSED, ONE WAS NEUTRAL AND EIGHT DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION.
WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO GO OVER ITEM FOUR AND ITEM FIVE AS WELL? YES, PLEASE.
REGARDING ITEM 4 47, COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED, 38 WERE IN SUPPORT
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OF THE C C R FIVE, WERE OPPOSED.FOUR DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION REGARDING ITEM 5 39.
COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED, 35 WERE IN SUPPORT, ONE WAS OPPOSED AND ONE NEUTRAL TWO DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, WHICH IS SEVEN, NINE COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED, ONE IN SUPPORT, SIX OPPOSED ZERO NEUTRAL, AND TWO DID NOT STATE THEIR POSITION.
THEY WILL BE SUMMARIZED IN THE MINUTES PART OF THE MEETING, AND THEY WILL ALSO BE POSTED ON THE, UM, ON THE WEBSITE WHERE THE AGENDAS ARE POSTED.
UH, THE LAST, UH, YES, COUNSEL, SORRY.
UM, WHEN THEY'RE PUT IN THE MINUTES, ARE THEY INDIVIDUALLY PUT IN THE MINUTES EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMENT, OR ARE THEY JUST SUMMARIZED IN A SUMMARY TABLE? EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER, UH, THEIR NAME AND THE, A SHORT SUMMARY.
FOR EACH NAME, EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMENT WILL BE LISTED OUT? YES, MA'AM.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMENT IS LISTED OUT.
[7. 20-4882 Briefing and possible action on San Antonio Police Department grants: A. Grant in an amount up to $250,000.00 from the Office of the Governor, Criminal Justice Division (OOG/CJD), Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant (JAG) for the purchase of an additional acquisition workstation for expanded participation in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms National (BATF) Integrated Ballistic Information Network (NIBIN) program. B. Grant in an amount up to $291,972.00 from the U.S. Department of Justice to support the Child Welfare Strategic Alliance Program (Bexar County will serve as the grant fiscal agent). [María Villagómez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
IN OUR AGENDA IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON SAPD GRANT FROM THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR FOR THE PURCHASE OF AN ADDITIONAL WORKSTATION FOR EXPANDED PARTICIPATION IN THE BUREAU, ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARM, NATIONAL INTEGRATED BALLISTIC INFORMATION NETWORK PROGRAM, AND THE, AND GRANT FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SUPPORT, THE CHILD WELFARE STRATEGIC ALLIANCE PROGRAM.UM, PRESENTATION BY, I BELIEVE MARIA AND CHIEF.
GO AHEAD, CHIEF, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK I'M TAKING THIS ONE TO COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO, UM, THE CHILD WELFARE STRATEGIC ALLIANCE PROGRAM, OR WE, AS WE CALL IT, CHILD SAFE, UM, THERE, UH, BEXAR COUNTY'S INVOLVED IN THAT, SAP PDS INVOLVED IN THAT, AND FAMILY PROTECTIVE SERVICES IS ALSO INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO WE'VE HAD THIS GRANT SINCE 2005.
AND THE MAIN, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE MEAT OF THIS GRANT IS THAT IT PROVIDES US WITH TWO DETECTIVES TO, UH, INVESTIGATE, UH, CHILD WELFARE COMPLAINTS, UH, CHILD ABUSE COMPLAINTS.
SO, UH, SINCE 2014, UH, WE WENT BACK THAT FAR.
WE'VE HAD OVER 1800 CASES OF SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE.
AND, UH, AS YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE, UH, ON THE SLIDE, WE'VE MADE 78 ARRESTS INVESTIGATED, 435 CASES THAT WE FILED WITH THE DA.
AND THE BULK OF THOSE, UM, THE BULK OF THAT 1800, UH, HAVE BEEN UNFOUNDED, UH, IN THE INVESTIGATION.
SO, BEXAR COUNTY SUBMITS THE, UH, SUBMITS FOR THE GRANT AND ADMINISTERS THE GRANT.
THEY RECEIVE 437,000, UH, BROKEN DOWN AS YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE.
AND FOR, UH, FOR SAN ANTONIO, WE RECEIVED THE 270, UH, 291,000, ALMOST $292,000.
AND THAT FUNDS THE TWO DETECTIVE POSITIONS THAT I MENTIONED.
THE CASH MATCH FOR THAT IS $15,000.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE, UH, THAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT GRANT.
UM, THE NATIONAL INTEGRATED BALLISTICS INFORMATION NETWORK OR BIN, SO, UH, JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS BEFORE WE HIT THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES.
BIN IS A, IS A FINGERPRINT SYSTEM FOR BALLISTICS.
SO EVERY TIME A A A A A ROUND IS FIRED FROM A GUN ON THE, THE SHELL CASING.
THERE, THERE ARE, UM, SPECIFIC MARKINGS THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO, TO, TO, TO ONE GUN.
SO IF I FIRE 10 ROUNDS OUT OF A PARTICULAR GUN, THEN EACH ONE OF THOSE SHELL CASINGS IS GONNA HAVE THAT SAME FINGERPRINT.
SO WHAT WE DO IS, UM, WE ENTER THOSE, WE ENTER THOSE
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SHELL CASINGS INTO THE BIN MACHINE, AND IT TAKES THOSE FINGERPRINT CHARACTERISTICS, IF YOU WILL, AND, UH, DUMPS 'EM IN A DATABASE, A NATIONAL DATABASE.SO WE CAN TELL LATER ON IF, IF, UH, IF WE GO TO TWO DIFFERENT CRIME SCENES AND WE ENTER THE SHELL CASINGS FROM THOSE TWO DIFFERENT CRIME SCENES, AND WE COME UP WITH THE SAME MARKINGS ON EACH SHELL CASING, WE KNOW THAT THE SAME GUN WAS USED, AND THEN WE TRY TO PUT THAT GUN IN THE HANDS OF A SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL USING IT.
SO GETTING BACK TO THE SLIDES, UH, IN, IN MAY 20TH, IN MAY OF 2020, WE WERE INVITED TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.
AND, UH, BIN FROM A T F, WHICH IS DISTRIBUTED BY, OR I'M SORRY, WHICH IS RUN OUT OF A T F.
UM, WE ARE RECOGNIZED AS A NATIONAL MODEL FOR THE N IBAN PROGRAM.
UH, I SIT ON THEIR, UH, NATIONAL BOARD THAT'S, AS I MENTIONED, RUN BY A T F.
SO WITH THE EXPANSION OF SAP'S N B PROGRAM, IT GIVES US A GREATER CAPABILITY TO INVESTIGATE, UH, CRIMES OF VIOLENCE.
THE GRANT FUNDS IN THIS, UH, IN THIS GRANT ARE NOT TO EXCEED $250,000.
AND I KIND OF WENT OVER, UM, UH, WHAT NIVAN IS ALL ABOUT.
IT'S A BALLISTIC, IT'S A BALLISTICS FINGERPRINT SYSTEM.
AND, UM, UM, IT, IT PROMOTES SHARING ON GUN CRIME INFORMATION, UH, ACTUALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST THE STATE.
BUT, UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE CAN DEVELOP LEADS BY DEVELOPING THE, THE MORE SHELL CASINGS THAT WE PUT INTO THIS, INTO THIS
AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE.
WE, WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER 1500 LEADS SINCE THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN INSTALLED HERE.
UH, WE'VE HAD OVER 500 SHOOTINGS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SOLVED THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, AND WE'VE MADE OVER 300 ARRESTS FOR GUN RELATED CRIMES.
UM, THIS GRANT FUNDING WILL ENABLE TO ENABLE US, I'M SORRY, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS GRANT FUNDING WILL, UH, ALLOW US TO PURCHASE ANOTHER BRASS TRACK STATION.
UH, IT'LL ENABLE US TO PROVIDE THE TRAINING FOR IT, UH, THE SHIPPING'S PAID FOR, AND THERE'S AN EXTENDED WARRANTY, UH, ON THE BRA, THE, THE, UH, BRASS TAX MACHINE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS TO APPROVE, UH, TWO GRANTS TO THE, TO THE, UH, AND RE REC, UH, REMOVE, UH, APPROVAL AND MOVE THE GRANTS TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT THE SEPTEMBER 3RD MEETING.
AND, UM, UM, YEAH, SO
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE, THE GRANTS TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 3RD.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WE'LL START COMMITTEE COMMENTS WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW
UM, LOOKING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THERE, UM, IS NO MATCH FOR THESE GRANTS, CORRECT? I'M SORRY, YOU, YOU BROKE UP.
COUNCIL MEMBER, I SAID THERE'S NO CITY MATCH FOR THESE GRANTS, CORRECT? THERE IS ONE COUNCIL, OH, I'M SORRY.
FOR, FOR THE FIRST ONE? YES, I'M SORRY.
$15,000 COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE CHILD.
AND HOW MUCH IS THE COUNTY PUTTING IN FOR THAT, THAT
WE, WE'LL CONFIRM THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH THE COUNTY'S SPLIT FOR THAT GRANT? SEVEN 20,000.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING CHIEF IS BECAUSE IF, IF WE'RE PUTTING IN A MATCH, IF WE'RE ONLY GETTING THE LEAST OF IT BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS PUTTING IN THE APPLICATION, I THINK WE NEED TO REEVALUATE, UM, HOW WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO OUR GRANT MATCHES WHEN WE'RE CONNECTING RESOURCES WITH THE COUNTY SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING LESS, BUT PUTTING IN THE MOST OF THE MATCH.
THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THAT.
UM, WITH THE BALLISTICS, UM, GRANT, AND YOU SAID THAT THAT'S GONNA ALSO BRING IN TRAINING.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON, UM, TRAINING ON IT, OR ARE WE TRAINING THE SAME PERSON? UH, IN RETROSPECT ON THE NEWER SYSTEM? UM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THE, UH, THE TRAINING WILL BE FOR, UH, EVERYONE THAT'S, UH, INVOLVED IN THAT PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.
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RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S, WE HAVE TWO OFFICERS DOWN THERE DOING THIS.AND, UH, THAT TRAINING WILL BE, BE PROVIDED FOR, UH, EACH ONE OF THOSE OFFICERS.
AND THESE ARE, ARE UNIFORMED OFFICERS CHIEF, OR? YES, MA'AM.
WE HAVE ONE DETECTIVE WHO'S HEAD OF THE PROGRAM, AND THE OTHER ONE IS, IS, UH, A UNIFORMED OFFICER.
UM, I, I WANNA JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE TWO GRANTS FORWARD.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE PROTECTED AND, AND THIS IS THE GRANT THAT HAS BEEN DOING SO, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, IN JUST THE RECENT COUPLE OF DAYS, CHIEFS, UH, THE BALLISTICS AND, AND PUTTING THAT INFORMATION ON THE LEADS TOGETHER, UM, REALLY HELP TO SOLVE ONE OF THE CASES THAT, UM, WE'RE BEING WORKED ON.
UM, I REALLY LIKE TO SEE EXACTLY, UM, HOW THIS STANDS WHEN IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO OUR DISTRICTS AND HOW MANY CASES HAVE BEEN SOLVED PER DISTRICT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT INFORMATION IS BROUGHT FORWARD.
COUNCIL MENANDER SULLIVAN AND COUNCILWOMAN NAVAN.
I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ALREADY BROUGHT UP, SO THANK YOU.
COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN, SANDAL? NO QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMAN, UH, PERRY, I'M GOOD TO GO.
UH, UH, COUNCILMAN, I JUST HAVE ENOUGH GIVE YOU ONE MORE ROUND JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME EARLIER.
CHAIR, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD? UH, YES.
UH, WELL, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO MOVE ITEM SEVEN A OR ITEM B TO FULL COUNSEL, WE CAN DO THAT NOW.
THOSE FORWARD TO FULL COUNSEL.
UH, MARIA, UH, I DO REQUEST THAT A MEMORANDUM CONCERNING THE POLICY UPDATES ON ITEM FOUR AND FIVE BE PROVIDED TO THE FULL COUNCIL WITH A COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH REGULAR UPDATES ON POLICIES TO MITIGATE USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I ALSO REQUEST THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE BE PROVIDED WITH A FULL BRIEFING ON SS A P D USE OF FORCE POLICY AT THE NEXT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING THAT DESCRIBES GOALS OF, UH, ONE POLICIES AIMED AT MINIMIZING THE RISK OF INAPPROPRIATE USE OF FORCE, UH, AND TWO, REGULAR BENCHMARKING OF BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF TRAINING, OPERATIONS AND POLICY.
AND THREE, REGULAR UPDATES TO COUNCIL FOCUSING ON METRICS TO DETERMINE IF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE WORKING TO REDUCE INAPPROPRIATE USE OF FORCE.
THANK YOU MADAM CLERK, THANK YOU TO ALL OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND PUBLIC COMMENTERS.