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THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR JOINING US TODAY.
UH, LIZ, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLE? YES.
HERE, COUNCILWOMAN AN HERE COUNCILWOMAN JADA.
UH, BEFORE WE START, UH, UH, OUR AGENDA, I'M GONNA TAKE A MOMENT TO REMEMBER ON THIS DAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, 19 YEARS AGO, OUR COUNTRY WAS ATTACKED AND 2,977 PEOPLE WERE KILLED.
HUNDREDS OF THEM RESPONDING AS FIREFIGHTERS AND OFFICERS, PLEASE JOIN US IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN OBSERVANCE, HONOR AND RESPECT, NOT ONLY FOR THOSE LIVES WE LOST, BUT FOR AMERICA'S RESILIENCE.
[1. 20-5359 Approval of the minutes from the Public Safety Committee meeting on August 25, 2020]
OKAY.UM, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR AUGUST 25TH MEETING.
UH, WOULD A MOTION AND A SECOND WILL VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AUGUST 25TH MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
[Public Comment]
ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT.WE WILL CALL YOU IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
SO PLEASE BE PREPARED WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND WHILE WE GET, UH, WE GET PEOPLE ON THE PHONE.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE JAMES DIMAN ON THE PHONE.
MY NAME IS JAMES DYKEMAN, DISTRICT NINE RESIDENT.
I'M CALLING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REGARDING THE CARB, AND I WAS HOPING THAT, UM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE COULD DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL HAVING OPTIONS OF GETTING PUBLIC RECORDS FROM THE CAR'S VOTE.
IN A RECENT ARBITRATION THAT WAS PRESENTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, IT WAS, UH, CLEAR THAT THE SWORN OFFICER PART OF THE CARB HAD VOTED FOR A 30 DAY SUSPENSION FOR AN OFFICER WHO HAD SENT, UM, VERY, UH, HORRIFIC TEXTS TO HIS WIFE, UM, AND THEN ALSO HIS EX-WIFE.
AND THEN THERE WAS AN INDEFINITE SUSPENSION ISSUED, UM, BY VOTE, BY THE CIVILIAN CARB.
AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IN ORDER TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THOSE DOCUMENTS PUBLIC, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO HAVE THEM PUBLISHED EITHER TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AS WE DO WITH AGENDAS.
UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY ON HOW DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES ARE GOING.
CHIEF MCMANUS, UM, DOES TAKE BOTH VOTES INTO CONSIDERATION AS HE'S CONSIDERING A DISCIPLINARY, UM, CHARGE.
BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO TO KNOW HOW THOSE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE AND WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS WILL ALSO HELP TO KNOW IF THE SWORN OFFICER SIDE OF THE CARB IS GIVING, UH, CERTAIN TYPES OF VOTES BASED OFF OF CERTAIN DISCIPLINARY REQUESTS, UM, IF THEY ARE LESS OR MORE SEVERE THAN THAT OF THE CIVILIAN CARB.
AND THAT JUST HELPS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS.
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IS SIMPLY FOR THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY BY BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE VOTES BY THE CARB, UM, MORE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, EITHER THROUGH THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT'S OPEN RECORDS WEBSITE, OR THROUGH ANOTHER MEANS, JUST SO THAT WE CAN KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS FOR DISCIPLINE, UM, IS DONE FOR OFFICERS THAT RECEIVE INDEFINITE SUSPENSIONS.UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK ON THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS ON USE OF FORCE.
SS A P D SHOULD BAN THE USE OF ANY TYPE OF CHOKE, HOLD, STRANGLEHOLD BLOOD HOLE, THE USE OF MILITARY GRADE EQUIPMENT, AND NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
BEXAR COUNTY IS NUMBER TWO IN CIVILIANS, SHOT AND KILLED BY OFFICERS IN ALL OF TEXAS.
EVEN THOUGH WE ARE THE FOURTH MOST POPULOUS COUNTY, IT IS CLEAR OUR POLICE ARE BEING OVERLY AGGRESSIVE WITH THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES, IF NOT ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
S A P D SHOULD ESTABLISH AN EARLY INTERVENTION SYSTEM TO CORRECT.
OFFICERS WHO USE EXCESSIVE FORCE SYSTEMS LIKE THIS HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO REDUCE THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT BY MORE THAN 50%.
THE SYSTEM SHOULD A REPORT OFFICERS WHO RECEIVED TWO OR MORE COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST MONTH, B REPORT OFFICERS WHO HAVE TWO OR MORE USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS OR COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST QUARTER C REQUIRE THESE OFFICERS TO ATTEND RETRAINING AND BE MONITORED BY AN IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR AFTER THEIR FIRST QUARTERLY REPORT AND TERMINATE ANY OFFICER FOLLOWING MULTIPLE REPORTS.
S A P D SHOULD ALSO NOTIFY THE STATE WHEN AN OFFICER IS FOUND TO WILLFULLY VIOLATED DEPARTMENT POLICY OR THE LAW SUBMITTED OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT OR RESIGNED UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR THESE OFFENSES.
THIS INFORMATION SHOULD BE MAINTAINED IN A DATABASE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, IT'S CALLED THE ILLINOIS LAW SITE AND RELEASE.
THE STATE LAW FOR SITE AND RELEASE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR 13 YEARS, BUT IS NOT BEING FULLY UTILIZED AT THE CITY LEVEL.
SA STANDS HAS BEEN ASKING SAN ANTONIO LEADERS TO PASS A SITE AND RELEASE ORDINANCE SINCE 2018, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT REDUCING THOUSANDS OF ARRESTS FOR LOW LEVEL OFFENSES IN OUR COMMUNITIES WILL KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER AND REDUCE UNNECESSARY HARM TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE SITE AND RELEASE ORDINANCE WILL PLAY A ROLE IN DECRIMINALIZING THE ISSUES SUCH AS MENTAL HEALTH, HOUSELESSNESS, AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDERS.
IT WILL ALSO AID IN DIMINISHING OVER POLICING THAT TAKES PLACE IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT WOULD PREVENT AN AVERAGE OF 11,000 ARRESTS PER YEAR IN OUR COMMUNITY, KEEPING FAMILIES TOGETHER AND SAVING MILLIONS IN TAX DOLLARS ON THE CARB.
WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE ROLE OF THIS BOARD TO INCLUDE POLICY LEVEL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POLICE DISCIPLINE AND USE OF FORCE.
MANY CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT SYSTEMS ACROSS THE NATION HAVE THIS TYPE OF POWER.
HOWEVER, IF SAN ANTONIO AND SUCCESSFULLY REPEAL CHAPTER 1 43, 1 OF THE IMMEDIATE NEXT STEPS SHOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN INDEPENDENT CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT SYSTEM, NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE C B A.
THAT IS A HYBRID OVERSIGHT BOARD BETWEEN A REVIEW AND AN AUDITOR AUDITOR.
THIS IS LAID OUT BY NA COLE, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT.
AN IMPORTANT POWER TO ADD TO THIS BOARD IS THE ABILITY TO REVIEW CLOSED CASES.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CELESTE BROWN, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO.
I HAVE SIGNED UP TODAY TO SPEAK ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY RE REVIEW BOARD.
UM, MAINLY JUST TO, TO SERVE A FEW REMINDERS HERE, RIGHT? UM, THIS BOARD IS SOLELY ADVISORY IN NATURE, WHICH MEANS THAT IN NO POINT IN TIME, UM, ARE THEY ABLE TO ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS, RIGHT? AND IT IS MADE UP OF HALF CITIZENS IN HALF UNIFORMED OFFICERS, WHICH IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY REASON WHY THE POLICE UNION AGREED TO IT.
AND THROUGH THAT, THEY CAN SOLELY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE THEN TAKEN TO THE CHIEF.
BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, EVEN THEN, THE CHIEF WORD IS NOT FINAL.
THE CHIEF COULD DECIDE TO FIRE.
AND THROUGH ARBITRATION, 70% OF FIRED OFFICERS ARE REHIRED ONTO THE FORCE.
SO THIS NOTION THAT REVIEW BOARDS SUCH AS THIS ACTUALLY ASSIST US IN ADDRESSING, UH, VIOLENT POLICING AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUES IS SIMPLY FALSE.
SO I URGE YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THE ROOT OF THESE ISSUES AND WORK ON PREVENTATIVE MEASURES VERSUS PUNITIVE MEASURES, ESPECIALLY BY FUNDING THE AREAS THAT MEAN MOST TO OUR RESIDENTS.
AS THE EVIDENCED BY THE SA SPEAKUP SURVEY, WHERE OVER 22,000 RESIDENTS RESPONDED, A RECORD NUMBER FAR MORE THAN THE 8.9 K WE SAW LAST YEAR,
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THE TOP PRIORITIES WERE PUBLIC HEALTH, HOUSING AND, UH, SENIOR AND YOUTH SERVICES.SO AGAIN, POLICING IS SOLELY PUNITIVE IN NATURE.
SO NO MATTER THE, THE ADVISORY BOARDS YOU HAVE, OR EVEN SOME OF THESE OTHER, UH, WELL THOUGHT OUT, THOUGH NOT COMPLETE, UH, TOPICS OF FANNIE CHOKEHOLD AND NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, UNTIL WE WORK TO ENSURE OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE THEIR BASIC NEEDS MET, THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE A PUNITIVE MODEL USED IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
SO I URGE YOU ALL TO AGAIN, FOCUS ON WHAT MATTERS MOST AND FOCUS ON BEING PROACTIVE BY MEETING THE BASIC NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITIES, AND LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT CITIZEN ADVISORY REVIEW BOARD, SUCH AS THIS, ARE SOLELY TOOTHLESS IN NATURE AND ARE MEANT TO PACIFY WITHOUT REALLY ACTUALLY ENACTING CHANGE.
THOSE ARE ALL THE CITIZENS WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO TOOK THE TIME TODAY TO, TO SPEAK TO US.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A
[2. 20-5360 Briefing on the SAPD Use of Force Policy [Maria Villagomez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
BRIEFING ON THE S A P D USE OF FORCE POLICY.UH, MARIA, FOR THE CHIEF, THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, AND, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
UH, TODAY, CHIEF MCMANUS IS GONNA PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF OUR USE OF FORCE, UH, POLICY.
UH, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE CHIEF MADE SOME CHANGES BACK IN JUNE OF 2020, UH, IN, IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR POLICY IN TRYING TO ADDRESS THE, UH, A AND WAY POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL IN JUNE AS WELL.
SO WHAT HE'S GONNA REVIEW TODAY INCLUDES THOSE, UH, CHANGES THAT WE HAD MADE BACK IN JUNE, AS WELL AS SOME, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE RECENTLY MADE THIS MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
SO WITH THAT, UM, CHIEF, THANK YOU, MARIA.
AND I'M GONNA LEAVE MY MASK ON, AND IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I WILL TAKE IT OFF.
UM, SO LET'S START WITH, UH, TALKING ABOUT FIRST SLIDE, PLEASE.
UM, SO LET'S, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEESCALATION.
WE STARTED DEESCALATION, UH, TRAINING BACK IN 2014, AND IT HAS EVOLVED EVER SINCE IN OUR TRAINING CURRICULUM, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS TODAY.
AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO THAT INVOLVES, UH, TRAINING ON, ON USE OF FORCE, UH, ANY KIND OF ENCOUNTER WITH A, WITH A, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBER, IT ALL CENTERS AROUND DEESCALATION BECOME A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR TRAINING AND WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY.
AND THEN, NOT ONLY DO WE TRAIN IT, BUT OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED IN GENERAL BY THE GENERAL MAN MANUAL TO USE DEESCALATION IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY NEED TO DO THAT.
UM, THROUGH WARNINGS, ADVISEMENTS, VERBAL PERSUASION TACTICS.
IT'S BASICALLY A CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE WE COME IN CONTACT WITH, UH, WHERE VIOLENCE MAY OCCUR WHEN WE TRY TO TALK THAT PERSON DOWN, EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON, AND TRY TO REDUCE THAT, UM, REDUCE THAT POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE IN, IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION.
ALL OF OUR USE OF FORCE IS REQUIRED TO BE, TO BE REPORTED, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE'VE ACTUALLY CHANGED THOSE REQUIREMENTS A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE STRINGENT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU NOW POINT YOUR GUN AT SOMEONE THAT'S A REQUIRED, UM, UH, INCIDENT TO REPORT.
UM, IF, UH, IF SOMEONE IS INJURED, UH, BUT RECEIVE NO MEDICAL TREATMENT, UH, BUT THEY, THEY COMPLAIN THAT YOU HURT MY SHOULDER, YOU HURT MY WRIST, THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED ON A USE OF FORCE REPORT.
WHEREAS IN THE PAST, IT WAS NOT.
UM, IF, IF A, IF THE USE OF FORCE, UH, POLICY IS VIOLATED, IT'S INVESTIGATED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS, BUT IT'S ALSO, IF IT'S EGREGIOUS TO THE POINT WHERE IT COULD BE CRIMINAL, WE REFER THAT TO THE DA'S OFFICE.
AND IN SOME CASES WHERE WE BELIEVE THERE MAY BE A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION, WE REFER THAT TO THE F B I.
LET ME EXPLAIN THIS, THIS MATRIX HERE A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE TOP WHERE IT SAYS OFFICER'S PERCEPTION OF THE SUSPECT'S ACTIONS.
SO EACH OF THESE ACTIONS, EACH OF THESE BOXES IS A, IS AN ESCALATION OF FORCE THAT WE'RE ENCOUNTERING BY THE SUSPECT.
UH, SIMPLY AT THE COMPLAINT IS COOPERATIVE AND PASSIVE RESISTANCE, ACTIVE RESISTANCE, IMMINENT ASSAULT, OR IMMINENT SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR DEATH.
AS EACH OF THOSE SITUATIONS MAY ESCALATE THE USE OF FORCE THAT AN OFFICER MAY USE ESCALATES AS WELL.
AND JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY THIS, THE, THIS USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM DOES NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN
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IN ORDER, IF AN OFFICER HAS TO ESCALATE THIS TO THE POINT WHERE MAYBE AN INTERMEDIATE WEAPON IS NECESSARY RIGHT OFF THE BAT, OR THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS NECESSARY RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THEN THAT OCCURS.IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER.
I TALKED ABOUT, UM, UM, DEESCALATION THAT, WHICH, UH, WE BEGAN TRAINING IN 2014.
THAT DEESCALATION TRAINING IS, IS INTERTWINED IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO STREET TACTICS.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT DEESCALATION, CRISIS INTERVENTION, COMMUNICATION SKILLS, PUBLIC INTERACTION, AND MULTICULTURALISM.
THAT IS ALL, THAT ALL FALLS UNDER 84 HOURS OVER TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING, UH, IN OUR CADET CLASSES.
AND, AND TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FREQUENCY OF THAT TRAINING CONTINUES, WE ARE GONNA START TRAINING EVERY MONTH, BEGINNING OCTOBER, UH, ON, UH, ONLINE.
SO OFFICERS WILL HAVE MUCH MORE FREQUENT EXPOSURE TO THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT.
SO, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE STARTED OUR BODY, BODY-WORN CAMERA PROGRAM BACK IN 2016.
OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO TURN ON THAT BODY-WORN CAMERA AS SOON AS THEY GET THE CALL TO RESPOND TO, OR AS SOON AS AN INTERACTION BEGINS WITH, UH, WITH, WITH SOMEONE ON THE STREET.
UH, OUR SUPERVISORS ARE REQUIRED TO REVIEW THOSE, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEOS.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO AUDIT THEM ON A MONTHLY, I'M SORRY, ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
AND THEN CORRECTIVE ACTION IS TAKEN WHENEVER WE FIND THAT AN OFFICER IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA, UH, MANDATE.
SO, OUR USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS HAVE DECLINED.
THERE'S A DOWNWARD TREND THAT IT BEGAN BACK IN, AT LEAST BACK IN 22 TO 2015.
UH, THE USE OF FORCE INCIDENT INCIDENTS HAVE DROPPED FROM, UH, OVER 1100 BACK IN 2015, UH, DOWN TO JUST ABOUT 500, UH, UH, UH, IN 2019.
THE SAME TREND LINE CONTINUED FOR USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND INVESTIGATED.
UH, 2015, WE SAW A HIGH OF 58, UH, DOWN TO A LOW OF 20, UH, I'M SORRY, OF, UH, 18 IN 2019.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN A PREVIOUS, UM, UH, UH, PRESENTATION.
AS YOU SEE ACROSS THE TOP HERE, THERE'S LIGHTER CHECKS ON THE FIRST TWO AND THE LAST TWO, UM, UM, CATEGORIES.
AND WE ARE WAITING FOR, UM, UM, CAMPAIGN ZERO, UH, CONTACT FROM THE EIGHT.
CAN'T WAIT FROM THE CAMPAIGN ZERO FOLKS TO SEE IF THEY'VE ACCEPTED OUR LATEST CHANGES.
BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SITTING IN A, I GUESS, IN A QUEUE WHILE THEY REVIEW ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE IF THEY, UH, IF THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT.
SO, UM, LOOKING AT OUR POLICY REVIEWS, UH, RECENTLY IN JUNE, 2020, UH, WE ENHANCED, I JUST MENTIONED WE ENHANCED OUR USE OF FORCE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
WE FURTHER REFINED OUR, OUR POLICY ON BANNING THE SHOOTING AT VEHICLES.
WE'VE EXPANDED OUR POLICIES ON WARNING BEFORE SHOOTING AND EXHAUSTING ALL METHODS OR ALL, I'M SORRY, ALL ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SHOOTING IN SEPTEMBER.
JUST NOW, JUST RECENTLY, UH, OUR LATEST UPDATES IS WE, WE COMMISSIONED A REVIEW, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
WE COMMISSIONED A REVIEW OF OUR USE OF FORCE POLICY AND MR. ROBERT STEWART, UM, HE REVIEWED THOSE POLICIES.
I THINK I DISTRIBUTED THAT, THAT RESUME FOR MR. STEWART.
BUT HE REVIEWED OUR POLICIES AND, UH, HE CHANGED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, UH, TO MAKE IT MORE, UH, UH, TO GIVE IT MORE CLARITY, UH, TO REMOVE SOME OF THE EXCESSIVE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THERE.
UM, BUT OVERALL HE WAS, UM, HE CONCURRED WITH THE POLICIES AS THEY WERE WRITTEN.
AND PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AND, UM, UM, UH, AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, ANDREW SULLIVAN, UH, HER C C R IN 2014, WE ISSUED A BAN ON THE USE OF CHOKE HOLDS.
UH, WE'VE UPDATED IT, UH, ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S, UH, POSTED TODAY.
I'M SORRY, ON, ON THE, YEAH, ON TODAY, ON THE 11TH, THE USE OF LATERAL VASCULAR NECK
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RESTRAINT IS PROHIBITED.AND THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
WE, WE PULLED THE EXCEPTION OFF AND, UH, AND JUST LEFT IT, UH, BARE BONES TO THE USE OF LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINTS AS PROHIBITED.
OUR USE OF FORCE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY, OUR USE OF FORCE, UH, CONTINUUM THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE ALL THE WAY BACK SINCE 2004.
SO A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, SOME FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE, UH, FOR YEARS NOW.
THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM EIGHT CAN'T WAIT TO REQUIRE DEESCALATION HAS BEEN INTO OUR MANUAL SINCE 2014.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, OFFICERS AND CADETS RECEIVE EXTENSIVE TRAINING ON DEESCALATION.
WE TALK ABOUT, TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT LATELY.
UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE EVENTS AS WE SEE GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND THEN, AND ALL CADETS NOT ONLY RECEIVE TRAINING ON DEESCALATION, THEY ALSO RECEIVE TRAINING ON CRISIS INTERVENTION.
AND THAT'S THE 40 HOUR BLOCK OF TRAINING, UH, CALLED THE MEMPHIS MODEL.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH IT, UH, IT'S NOT A, UH, A, UM, UH, READER'S DIGEST VERSION OF THE CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING, UH, DUTY TO INTERVENE.
WE'VE HAD, UH, A MANDATE IN OUR GENERAL MANUAL.
WE'VE HAD A MANDATE IN OUR GENERAL MANUAL PROCEDURE, UH, THAT REQUIRES OFFICERS TO INTERVENE SHOULD THEY CEASE, UH, UH, A, UH, ANOTHER OFFICER, UH, USING EXCESSIVE FORCE, BUT THEY BELIEVE TO BE EXCESSIVE FORCE ON A SUSPECT OR ARRESTEE.
AND THOSE OFFICERS ARE IMMEDIATELY REQUIRED TO REPORT THAT TO A SUPERVISOR.
WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO EXHAUST ALL ALTERNATIVES BEFORE SHOOTING.
UH, OUR, OUR POLICY STATES THAT WE PLACE A GREATER VALUE ON HUMAN LIFE THAN PERSONAL PROPERTY.
DEADLY FORCE, A, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, IS USED WITH THE GREATEST OF RESTRAINT.
UH, DEADLY FORCE IS ALSO A, A, A, A, UH, OPTION OF LAST RESORT WHEN THE LEVEL OF RESISTANCE WARRANTS ITS USE.
AND THEN THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS NOT ALLOWED TO PROTECT ANY KIND OF, ANY KIND OF PROPERTY INTEREST.
SO, UH, AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN OUR, UH, VEHICLE PURSUIT POLICY AS WELL.
IF, IF A, UM, IF, UH, A STOLEN CAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE NOT CHASING FOR A STOLEN CAR, THE RISK TO, TO, UH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THE RISK TO POLICE OFFICERS, THE RISK TO, TO ANYONE INVOLVED IS, IS NOT WORTH, UH, UM, IS NOT WORTH IT OVER THE, OVER A PROPERTY.
ALSO, IN OUR GENERAL MAN MANUAL IS A REQUIREMENT TO WARN BEFORE SHOOTING.
UH, IT, IT EXPLICITLY REQUIRES AN OFFICER TO GIVE A VERBAL WARNING BEFORE USING DEADLY FORCE, UH, AND DEADLY FORCE, AS I, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S TO BE USED FOR THE GREATEST RESTRAINT AND AS A LAST RESORT.
AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT TO, UH, REPORT ALL USE OF FORCE.
I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER AS WELL.
UH, ANY USE OF FORCE REPORTED THAT'S BEYOND OPEN OR EMPTY HAND CONTROL MUST BE REPORTED.
ANY, ANY USE OF FORCE THAT CAUSES AN INJURY, UM, REPORTED IN INJURY BY A, BY AN INDIVIDUAL, EVEN IF IT'S AN OPEN HAND FORCE, UH, INJURY THAT REQUIRES MEDICAL TREATMENT.
UH, EVEN POINTING A FIREARM AT SOMEONE IS REQUIRED TO BE, UH, PUT ON A USE OF FORCE REPORT.
I BELIEVE WE BANNED THE USE OF, UH, USE OF, UM, NOT USE OF, I BELIEVE WE BANNED SHOOTING AND MOVING VEHICLES BACK IN, UH, 2006, 2007.
UM, I RECALL HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEN, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEY SUSAN REED, UH, THAT PROHIBITS, UH, US FROM, UH, DISCHARGING A FIREARM AT OR FROM A MOVING VEHICLE.
UNLESS SOMEONE IS SHOOTING AT YOU FROM THE OTHER VEHICLE, THEN SHOOTING AT OR FROM A MOVING VEHICLE IS, IS, UH, IS PROHIBITED.
WE HAVE BANNED NO-KNOCK WARRANTS ACROSS THE BOARD.
OUR POLICY NOW PROHIBITS, UH, NO, NOT, UH, EXECUTING NO-KNOCK WAR, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR SEARCH WARRANTS.
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PROHIBITS EXECUTION OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS FOR ARREST WARRANTS.AND THAT, THAT, THAT PROHIBITS A, IT, IT, UH, THERE'S A PROHIBITION THAT, THAT, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A
SO THEY ARE BANNED ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND THEN LASTLY, AND WE DID THIS, UH, ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU GO TO, WHENEVER YOU RESPOND TO A MENTAL HEALTH CALL WHERE THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S IN CRISIS, UH, THAT PERSON COULD BE ARMED, UH, THAT PERSON COULD BE VIOLENT.
AND THE LAST THING WE WANT TO HAPPEN IS OUR, FOR THE, UH, AS FOR OUR OFFICERS TO ARRIVE ON THE SCENE AND ENCOUNTER THAT INDIVIDUAL WITHOUT TALKING WITH SOMEONE FIRST.
SO THE, THE, THE PROTOCOL GOES, UM, WHENEVER THERE IS A, UH, A CALL, A MENTAL HEALTH CALL WHERE WEAPONS ARE INVOLVED OR VIOLENCE IS OCCURRING, OR HAS OCCURRED, THAT AUTOMATICALLY TURNS IT INTO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CALL.
OUR MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO LIMIT THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WILL HAVE A VIOLENT ENCOUNTER WITH A PERSON.
THAT, AND IT'S GONNA ESCALATE FURTHER.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION TO THE CALL.
SO THE, THE CITY MANAGER HAS BEGUN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE UNIVERSITY HEALTH SYSTEM TO DISCUSS HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RESPONSE THAN SIMPLY A POLICE OFFICER RESPONDING TO THAT SCENE.
AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WITH THIS, UNDER THIS NEW SPECIAL ORDER THAT I, THAT WE, UH, THAT WE PUT OUT AN OFFICER RESPONDING TO A CALL WHERE, WHERE VIOLENCE HAS OCCURRED OR IS LIKELY TO OCCUR, OR WHERE THERE ARE WEAPONS MENTIONED, UM, THAT OFFICER NEEDS TO TRY TO FIND SOMEONE ON THE SCENE, THE COMPLAINANT, TALK TO THAT PERSON BEFORE MAKING CONTACT WITH THAT, UH, WITH THE, UH, PERSON WHO'S MENTALLY ILL, OR HAVING THAT MENTAL BREAKDOWN.
UH, WHICH WE HOPE, WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL PROVIDE, UH, A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR NOT ONLY THE THE OFFICER, BUT FOR THE THE PERSON WHO CALLED AS WELL.
LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS GET TO A MENTAL HEALTH CALL AND HAVE TO USE DEADLY FORCE ON SOMEBODY WHEN, UM, WE COULD TAKE OTHER, UH, STEPS TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
SO THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE ON THE PRESENTATION, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, I AM VERY, UM, I DUNNO WHAT THE WORD IS.
I'M RELIEVED, UH, TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BAN ON NO-KNOCK SEARCH WARRANT, A BAN ON, NO-KNOCK.
I'M A NO-KNOCK, UH, ARREST WARRANT.
THIS IS WHAT HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, BOTH VERBAL AND WRITTEN HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, UM, EMAILS.
AND SO, I'M, I'M VERY, I'M VERY RELIEVED TO HEAR THAT AND, AND, AND THANKFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I, I ALSO WANNA THANK YOU, CHIEF FOR THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU REQUESTED AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE USE OF FORCE, UM, UM, PROCEDURES.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT.
AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY TO REVIEW MULTIPLE AREAS OF OUR S A P D POLICIES.
THE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT MAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT, THAT THE PANDEMIC HAS LAID BARE A MYRIAD OF SOCIAL ILLS THAT HAS BEEN LEFT UNDER FUNDED AND UNDISCUSSED FOR FAR TOO LONG.
THERE'S BEEN POLITICIZING OF WHAT IS AT ITS CORE A BASIC NEED UNDER, YOU KNOW, SAFETY REALLY.
I'VE SPENT HOURS MEETING WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS AND I WANNA SAY 55,000.
MARIA, UM, SORRY, THE INTERRUPTION.
I THINK WE'RE HAVING SOMEBODY, EVERYBODY.
I WANNA THANK THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH SPECIFICALLY, UH, PHARAOH CLARK, JOSIE GARCIA, COPS, METRO COMMUNITY, CHURCHES FOR SOCIAL ACTION, THE BAPTIST MINISTER'S UNION,
COUNTLESS OTHERS, FOR CONTINUING TO ADVOCATE FOR CHANGE THROUGH MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE, THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONING, AND A GENUINE DESIRE TO FOSTER PROGRESS RATHER THAN DIVISION.
ALL OF THOSE ORGANIZERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN BEATING THE PAVEMENT, UM, I, I, I HOPE THAT YOU HEAR TODAY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE LISTENED AND WE'RE RESPONDING.
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WE'VE SEEN HOW DEESCALATION IS MORE THAN A FIGURATIVE CONTINUUM.TODAY, I HOPE THE STEPS WE'VE TAKEN TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, BOTH SEARCH AND ARREST AND PROHIBITING LATERAL VASCULAR RESTRAINT, MAKE EVERYONE SAFER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND BY EVERYONE, I MEAN OUR, ALL OUR COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, EVERYONE INVOLVED.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT SAN ANTONIO ISN'T PERFECT, BUT OUR COMMUNITY AS A SOUL, AS A WHOLE, IS SAFER.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT SAN ANTONIO IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE DESERVE TO FEEL SAFE ENOUGH GOING FOR A MORNING RUN OR ASKING FOR HELP IF THEIR CHILD IS IN CRISIS.
I HOPE TODAY IS VIEWED AS A STEP TOWARDS THE SAFETY.
WE ALL DESERVE THE PROGRESS TOWARD THE END OF HUMAN INDIGNATION, BRUTALITY, AND DEATH AND CUSTODY, AND AWAY FROM THE FEAR, WHICH IS THREATENED TO BREED, DIVISION, AND STIFLE CHANGE.
UM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, CHIEF, I THINK THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, I, I THINK THAT YOU ANSWERED ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO MEMBER QUESTIONS.
GOING IN REVERSE ORDER, STARTING WITH COUNCILMAN TERRY.
UH, UPDATE, UM, ON THE TRAINING, YOU SAID THAT WE'RE GONNA BE INCREASING THE TRAINING ON, UM, UH, THIS TO A MONTHLY TRAINING.
HOW, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY YOU SAID WE HAVE 40 HOURS OF TRAINING FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR PER YEAR.
SO WHAT IS THIS GONNA ADD TO THAT TRAINING REQUIREMENT? WELL, IT'S GONNA ADD A FEW MINUTES EVERY MONTH, UH, THE OFFICERS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO, UM, GO ONLINE, OR I THINK WE'RE GONNA START OUT FIRST WITH INSERVICE.
I'M SORRY, NOT IN SERVICE ROLL CALL TRAINING, BUT WE'LL DO LITTLE VIGNETTES AND THEY'LL TAKE NO MORE THAN, NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES.
UM, AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO THAT, UH, A FEW TIMES A WEEK, UM, DIFFERENT TOPICS SO THAT THE FREQUENCY OF THE TRAINING, THE OFFICER'S EXPOSED TO IT MORE BECAUSE OF THE FREQUENCY OF IT, NOT JUST ONE BIG BLOCK.
AND WE DON'T SEE IT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR, TWO YEARS, MAYBE THREE YEARS.
SO WE'LL JUST INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF IT.
IT'LL BE VERY SHORT, BUT IT'LL KEEP IT FRESH IN THE OFFICER'S MINDS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF FIELD, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET, THEY'RE GETTING 40 HOURS OF TRAINING NOW A YEAR.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE ADDED TO THAT 40 HOURS NOW? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR THAT.
THE, THE TRAIN, THE, THE HOURS, I MEAN, THE, UH, THE, THE TIMELINES WILL DIFFERENT.
IT COULD BE A MINUTE, IT COULD BE TWO MINUTES.
IT'S SIMPLY TO PUT THAT, I KEEP THAT IDEA, KEEP THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, UH, TOPIC FRESH IN THE OFFICER'S MINDS, AND IT'LL CHANGE, IT'LL CHANGE FREQUENTLY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE IDEA IS TO, TO KEEP IT FRESH, UH, HELP COMMIT IT TO MUSCLE MEMORY, IF YOU WILL.
UM, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR ANDY.
UM, ANDY, HOW DOES THIS ALIGN WITH WHAT THE STATE SAYS AND WHAT OUR, OUR, OR WHAT THIS POLICY SAYS AS FAR AS USE OF DEADLY FORCE TO INCLUDE CHOKE HOLES? I SAW ANDY ON HEARING.
I, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THE STATE HAS TAKEN ANY POSITION ON THAT, COUNCILMAN.
I MEAN, THEY, OBVIOUSLY, LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT DEVELOPED THEIR POLICE MANUALS AND PROCEDURES.
UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT, AND THE CHIEF CAN TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES WE HAVE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF, UH, POLICE POLICY PER, AS IT RELATES TO USE OF FORCE.
UM, BUT WE SEEM TO BE ALIGNED WITH A LOT OF MAJOR CITIES IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT POLICY IS.
AND I'LL LET CHIEF EXPOUND ON THAT BE RIGHT, ANDY.
THE, THE, UH, THE CITIES THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO TO INCLUDE, UH, DALLAS AND HOUSTON AND, UH, AND AUSTIN, THEY, THEY'VE ALL, UM, AND THAT'S JUST IN TEXAS.
THEY'VE BANNED L V N R, UM, NO-KNOCK WARRANTS.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE ARE NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT AN OUTLIER.
WE'RE PROBABLY RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, THE PACK ON THIS.
SO THERE'S NOTHING, LET'S SAY IF I, I KNOW IT'S PROHIBITED, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT COMES DOWN TO THAT, AND LET'S SAY DURING, DURING AN INCIDENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THE OFFICER CAN CONTROL A SITUATION.
WHAT, WHAT IS, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE STATE SAYS IS PROHIBITED AS WELL, OR WOULD THAT BE UP TO LOCAL PROSECUTION AND POLICY AND THAT KIND OF THING? I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE.
IF, IF A POLICE OFFICER, IF A POLICE OFFICER'S
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IN A SITUATION WITH A, IN A LIFE OR DEATH STRUGGLE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF, AS THEY'RE TRYING TO CUFF SOMEBODY OR WRESTLE TO THE GROUND, I THINK I'VE, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THAT'S A LIFE OR DEATH STRUGGLE.THE POLICE OFFICER AND THE LAW WILL CONDONE ANYTHING THE POLICE OFFICER HAS TO DO IN THAT LIFE OR DEATH STRUGGLE TO GAIN THE UP, UH, UPPER HAND, WHETHER THAT'S A TOP MANEUVER OR NOT, UH, WHETHER WHATEVER, UH, TOOL OR WEAPON HE CAN USE AT THAT HAND OR NOT, UH, IN THAT SITUATION, NOTHING IN THE POLICY THAT THE CHIEF IS DESCRIBING WOULD PROHIBIT A, A POLICE OFFICER FROM ESSENTIALLY SAVING HIS OWN OWN LIFE IN A STRUGGLE LIKE THAT.
THAT, THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMAN PERRY, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, OUR CHAIR REGARDING, UH, THE, THE GREAT STRIDES THAT ARE BEING MADE THANKS TO, UH, A LOT OF INPUT AND, AND REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, ALSO WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN'S, UH, BOLDNESS AND LEADERSHIP TO JUST PUT THAT ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND LET'S GET THIS DONE.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, GREAT, UH, PROGRESS.
UM, I WANTED TO, UH, CHECK IN ON A, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THERE WAS A, SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN APPLICABLE ON SLIDE THREE REGARDING ADVANCING INQUIRIES TO, UH, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? CHIEF OR ANDY, UH, YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO TRY AND, OR YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? GO FIRST, CHIEF.
SO IF, IF WE SEE A, A, WELL, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN WE'RE DOING ADMINISTRATIVE VI UH, INVESTIGATIONS ON THIS ARE POLICY VIOLATIONS.
BUT IF WE SEE ANYTHING THAT'S CRIMINAL IN THERE, UH, WE'LL SEND IT OVER ACROSS THE STREET FOR, IF IT'S, IF IT'S EGREGIOUS ENOUGH AND WE CAN PUT A CHARGE ON IT, THEN WE WILL.
IF NOT, WE'LL SEND IT OVER TO THE DA'S OFFICE FOR REVIEW.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS.
UH, SO YOU LOOK FOR, IF, IF SOMETHING JUMPS OUT AS BEING CRIMINAL, BASICALLY IS THE, IF, IF A USE, IF A USE OF FORCE TURNS INTO WHAT WE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE AN ASSAULT, AND WE WILL SEND THAT ACROSS THE STREET.
IF IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH, THEN WE'LL PUT A CHARGE ON IT AND SEND IT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND, AND WHAT, WHEN, WHAT, ONCE IT'S THEIR COUNSEL AND IT'S, IT IS ESSENTIALLY OUT OF OUR HAND, IT BECOMES UP TO THE DA TO DO HIS REVIEW AND DETERMINE WHETHER INDEED THERE WAS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR THAT HE CAN, UH, ACT UPON OR NOT.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A CLEAR EXAMPLE, UM, THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, RECENTLY FIRED FOUR POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE THEY VALIDATED OUR POLICIES IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
AND CHIEF, IF YOU CAN ELABORATE, BUT THOSE, UH, CASES WERE SENT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR REVIEW.
SO THAT IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF, OF WHEN THAT IS UTILIZED WITHIN S A P D.
I'M, I'M REMEMBERING THAT NOW.
UM, I WANTED TO, UM, NOTE, AT ONE POINT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RECEIVED AT INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
AND, UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING ME OFFLINE, JUST THE POLICY FOR WHAT AN INDIVIDUAL GOES THROUGH, LIKE AN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO'S FILING A COMPLAINT, HOW THAT, HOW THAT, UM, GETS PROCESSED.
I NOTICED THAT ON THE SLIDE, IT SAID, UH, COMPLAINTS RECEIVED AND INVESTIGATED.
SO I IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T ALL GET, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THEY DON'T ALL GET INVESTIGATED.
I'M SURE THERE'S A, A REASON FOR THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND THEN, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CHIEF, UM, UH, INTRODUCING MORE FREQUENT, UH, TRAINING.
I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN MANY PROFESSIONS, RIGHT? WHERE YOU HAVE CONTINUING EDUCATION, THINGS CHANGE, OR IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD REFRESHER.
LIKE THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT TRAINING THAT MOST OF US GET EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, JUST 'CAUSE WE GOT IT 20 YEARS AGO, UH, THINGS CHANGE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO REMIND YOURSELVES OF THAT.
SO CHIEF, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
ALSO, THE FACT I WAS, UM, REMEMBERING WHEN I HAD TO CRAM AND DO ALL MY IT TRAINING VIDEOS, UH, BEFORE THAT DEADLINE THAT CRAIG HOPKINS
SO, I, I THINK THAT'S GREAT, CHIEF.
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YOU.UM, AND THAT'S IT FOR, FOR RIGHT NOW.
UH, THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN, UH, VERY, HAVE WORKED, UH, WITH SUCH GREAT PERSEVERANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL CAME TOGETHER AND WE REALLY FINE TUNED AND CLARIFIED THE POINTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE BOOKS, BUT THEN MAKING THEM EVEN STRONGER AND MEET EVEN MORE CLEAR FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, WE COULDN'T GET HERE TO THIS POINT WITHOUT YOU, AND OF COURSE, TO OUR CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UM, I'M GOING TO SAY YES, THANK YOU, CHIEF AND MARIA AND EVERYONE FOR HEARING ABOUT THE TRAINING.
AND I'M GLAD THAT IT WILL BEGIN IN OCTOBER.
AND THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW TO LEARN.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A POSITION, YOU ARE ALWAYS ABLE TO LEARN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.
OUR MOTTO IS CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
SO THIS IS CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO CONTINUE WITH THAT TRAINING.
AND WE DON'T KNOW, UM, WHO, WHAT WE, WHAT POSITIVE CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF THIS MORE FREQUENT TRAINING, WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING SOME MORE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE LIVES OF THE OFFICERS, THEIR FAMILY, BUT ALSO OUR COMMUNITY IN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, CHIEF IN ONE OF YOUR, YOUR SLIDES YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS BODY CAMS. AND IF PEOPLE, IF THE OFFICERS DO NOT TURN THEM ON, THEN CORRECTIVE ACTION WILL BE TAKEN.
CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE CORRECTIVE ACTION IS? AND IF YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING, I CAN'T HEAR YOU HEARING ME.
IT STARTS OFF WITH COUNSELING.
SECOND ONE IS A REPRIMAND, AND THEN WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT DAYS AFTER THAT.
SO ONCE YOU'RE, IF YOU DO IT TWICE, THEN YOU'RE ARE, YOU'VE GOTTEN A REPRIMAND, YOU'RE STARTING TO GET A REPRIMAND, OKAY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE LAST, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION.
'CAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING, AND I WANTED TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR THE WORK.
BUT CHIEF, YOU DID MENTION SOMETHING THAT SAID DURING THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU SAID IT'S NOT A READER'S DIGEST, READER'S DIGEST VERSION.
WHAT IS READER'S DIGEST? I'M TOTALLY JUST KIDDING.
COUNCILMAN
UM, THANK YOU TO ALL MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES.
UM, THANK YOU TO EVILLY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
BUT MOST DEFINITELY THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR MAKING THEIR VOICES KNOWN, UM, AND TRULY ASKING US TO LOOK AT OUR POLICIES IN FULL DETAIL.
EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO MORE.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THE CCRS, AND THEN THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE ACTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENFORCING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, NOT ONLY TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE, BUT TO KEEP OUR POLICE OFFICERS SAFE.
WE KNOW THAT WITH NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, WE'RE NOT ONLY PUTTING ONE LIFE IN JEOPARDY, BUT WE'RE PUTTING SEVERAL IN JEOPARDY, INCLUDING OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE GOING INTO A HOME WHERE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE FACING.
AND SO, BY DISCONTINUING AND PROHIBITING THE NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, WE'RE NOT ONLY SAVING ONE LIFE, BUT WE'RE SAVING MANY.
SO, THANK YOU CHIEF, FOR LOOKING AT THAT WITH THE L VNRS, WE HAVE SEEN FAR TOO MANY TIMES HOW THAT PROCEDURE CAN BE CARRIED OUT AND END IN THE DEATH OF AN INDIVIDUAL, WHICH LEADS TO MANY MORE ISSUES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, BUT MOST DEFINITELY BRINGING AWARENESS TO HOW WE CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, CHIEF AT THIS TIME IS ON, UM, THE AUDIT AND REVIEW QUARTERLY.
IS, IS THAT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT OR IS THERE A, A QUICKER OR FASTER TURNAROUND TIME FOR US TO RECEIVE THAT
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AUDIT AND REVIEW OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, RIGHT NOW IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT.BUT WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE EXPLORING A, A, UM, UH, A, A DASHBOARD FOR THE SUPERVISORS THAT WILL MAKE IT QUICKER AND MORE, UH, EFFICIENT TO DO THAT.
AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UM, THE QUESTION THAT STILL WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF DEADLY FORCE.
AND I KNOW YOU SHOWED US THE BOXES THAT CAN LEAD UP TO AN ESCALATION, BUT WHAT IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF DEADLY FORCE? OR MAYBE ANDY, SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM A POLICE OFFICER'S PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A, IT'S ANY FORCE THAT WOULD COUNTER, UH, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF DEATH OR A SERIOUS BODILY INJURY TO A POLICE OFFICER OR ANYONE ELSE.
UM, AND SO IT'S A VERY SITUATIONAL, UM, INTERPRETATION OF THAT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIFFERENT SITU, 'CAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S AN UN UM, THERE'S AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS IN WHICH THAT COULD BE APPLIED.
COUNCILWOMAN, UH, THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT IS DEFINED THAT WAY, IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE, UH, A VARIETY OF SITUATIONS ONE CAN ENCOUNTER WHERE ONE'S LIFE COULD BE IN DANGER.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S DEFINED THE WAY IT IS.
UM, I KNOW JUST IN, IN HOUSTON, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UM, SPOKE OUT ABOUT A SHOOTING OF A YOUNG MAN THAT WAS SHOT OVER 21 TIMES AFTER BEING HANDCUFFED, AFTER BEING SUBDUED, AFTER BEING TASERED.
UM, THIS IS WHY WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS THE TRUE DEFINITION, HOW DO WE GO FORWARD, AND HOW DO WE BRIDGE THAT GAP BETWEEN KNOWING THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR COMMUNITY HAVE THAT CONNECTION WITH EACH OTHER IN A POSITIVE DI DIRECTION? UM, THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE, CHIEF IS, AS A MILITARY VETERAN, WE GET OUT OF THE MILITARY, WE HAVE OUR DD TWO 14.
IF YOU LIVE HERE IN THE COUNTY OF BEAR, YOU CAN TURN THAT DD TWO 14 INTO THE VETERAN'S OFFICE.
A LOT OF OUR WAR VETERANS ARE COMING BACK AND WE KNOW THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH P T S D OR THEY'RE COMING BACK BEING LISTED AS WAR VETERANS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN NOW HAVE IN, UM, OUR SYSTEM A WAY THAT WE CAN DOCUMENT THOSE WAR VETERANS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN INCIDENT LIKE WE HAD WITH MR. DANIELS? I KNOW WHEN WE GO TO D P S, THEY CAN PUT ON OUR ID CARD THAT WE'RE A VETERAN, BUT WHAT OTHER PROGRAMS CAN WE PUT IN PLACE FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMING BACK FROM THAT WAR SCENARIO, UM, TO, TO BE LISTED IN A DATABASE THAT WE KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE CALLED OR WE RECEIVE A CALL THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A SENSITIVE ISSUE WITHIN THAT PERSON? COUNCIL MEMBER? WE HAVE, UH, STARTING WITH THE BASICS, WE HAVE, UH, UH, WE HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL REVIEW WHEN, UH, AN OFFICER IS APPLYING FOR THE DEPARTMENT WHEN AN OFFICER IS AWAY, UH, FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY GO THROUGH THE RETURN TO DUTY PROGRAM, WHICH INCLUDES A PSYCHOLOGICAL REVIEW.
AND, UM, AT ANY TIME THERE'S A, UM, NOTICE FROM A SUPERVISOR OR A COWORKER THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICER IS, IS NOT ACTING, UH, LIKE HIS OR HERSELF.
UM, AND THERE, AND THERE'S A, AN ASSUMPTION BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY'RE ACTING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WRONG, THEN THEY CAN BE REQUIRED TO GO AND, AND PAY A VISIT TO THE PSYCHOLOGIST.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF WE, IF WE, UH, ARE MEETING THE RE THE STANDARDS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THERE IS A, A, UM, UH, A PSYCHOLOGICAL REVIEW HERE THAT OFFICERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
I THINK COUNCILWOMAN QUESTION WA WAS MORE TO DO THOUGH WITH, UH, UH, CHIEF WITH, UH, POLICE OFFICERS ENCOUNTERING INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE VETERANS AND THEN MAY HAVE POTENTIAL P T S D ISSUES.
AND I MEAN, AND THAT'S AN INTRIGUING QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.
I DON'T, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THAT.
SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY BE SOME PRIVACY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO FURTHER.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING, I'M SORRY, CHAIR, I KNOW I'M OVER MY TIME, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, CONNECT WITH THE BEXAR COUNTY VETERAN AFFAIRS OFFICE AND SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITHIN OUR PREVIEW, UM, TO HAVE OUR WAR VETERANS THAT ARE COMING BACK HAVE SOME FORM OF, OF NOT THEIR FULL MEDICAL HISTORY EXPOSED, BUT, UM, A DOCUMENT OR A DATABASE TO SAY, IF YOU'RE CALLED TO THIS HOME, THIS IS
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A WAR VETERAN, UM, PLEASE PROCEED WITH CAUTION.BECAUSE DURING THIS TIME, THEY MIGHT BE UNDERGOING, UM, A P T S D CRISIS OR, UM, BECAUSE OF THE MENTAL STATUS OF COMING BACK FROM WAR, THEY CAN DEVELOP SCHIZOPHRENIA AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IF WE COULD JUST WORK WITH THE, THE COUNTY VETERAN AFFAIRS OFFICE, OR MAYBE EVEN D P S TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED, UM, TO A, A VETERAN'S, UM, ID CARD OR, UM, TO HELP US SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER INCIDENT LIKE MR. DANIELS, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
UM, CHIEF, THERE WAS A, A QUESTION ASKED IN PUBLIC COMMENT, I THOUGHT I WOULD, UM, JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
THERE WAS A, UH, A NOTE, AN IDEA ABOUT EARLY INTERVENTION FOR OFFICERS WHO HAVE SHOWN A PROPENSITY FOR EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO? AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE AN OFFICER CONCERN PROGRAM THAT IF, IF YOU ARE, UM, IF YOU ARE FLAGGED BY THE COMPUTER FOR AN EXCESSIVE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, EXCESSIVE, UM, UH, CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU GET FLAGGED, THEN YOU'RE AN AUTOMATIC REFERRAL TO THE OFFICER CONCERN PROGRAM THAT GOES TO THE, UH, THAT REFERRAL GOES TO A COMMITTEE.
THE COMMITTEE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, BRINGS IT TO ME.
BUT YES, THE, THE SHORT ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YES, WE DO HAVE A, UH, A, A, AN OFFICER CONCERN PROGRAM TO DEAL WITH, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO JUST CLOSING THAT ITEM OUT, I JUST, AGAIN, WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WHO'S PARTICIPATED IN THIS PROCESS FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, MAY TILL NOW.
THIS IS, I THINK THESE ARE TWO BIG STEPS FORWARD, STEPS FORWARD FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
AND, UM, BUT IT IS JUST THE BEGINNING, BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY GOOD START.
[3. 20-5361 Briefing on the Cite and Release Annual Report [Maria Villagomez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
AGENDA IS, UM, BRIEFING ON THE SITE AND RELEASE ANNUAL REPORT.AND I'LL JUST INTRODUCE THE ITEM VERY QUICKLY, CHIEF.
UM, SO WE COMPLETED OUR FIRST 12 MONTHS OF THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM ON JULY 31ST, 2020, AND WE HAVE, UH, PROVIDED AN ANNUAL REPORT, UH, TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON AUGUST THE 26TH.
THIS IS ALSO POSTED ONLINE AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WHAT CHIEF IS GONNA DO TODAY IS SUMMARIZE THE, THE RESULTS FROM THAT, UH, THE FIRST 12 MONTHS OF THE WORK THAT THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE SINCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM.
SO, THE, THE CITATION PROCESS, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR STEPS IN THIS CITATION PROCESS, AND WE OWN THE FIRST STEP, WHICH IS THE ENCOUNTER AND THE, THE DECISION TO EITHER CITE OR, OR ARREST THE PERSON.
UH, THE OTHER THREE STEPS, UH, ARE OWNED BY BEXAR COUNTY, AND, UH, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THEM SINCE THEY'RE NOT MY STEPS.
AND, UH, BUT WE OWN THE FIRST ONE.
SO THIS SLIDE DEPICTS THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS ISSUED, UH, DURING THE, UH, THE FOURTH QUARTER.
AND THEN FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PROGRAM, UH, AVERAGE, WE AVERAGE ABOUT 1600, UM, UM, ARRESTS, I'M SORRY, CITATIONS, 1600 CITATIONS, UH, EACH QUARTER.
UM, AND FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, JUST OVER 6,500.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS OUR RELEASE RATE FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER AND FOR THE YEAR, AND IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT, UM, FOR THE YEAR AT ABOUT 36 30 7%.
THIS SLIDE IDENTIFIES THE CITATIONS, UH, AND ARRESTS THAT WERE ISSUED BY RACE AND ETHNICITY.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PERCENTAGE OF ARRESTS AFTER THE WAR BY RACE AND ETHNICITY AFTER THE, THE, UH, THE
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NUMBER OF WAR OR AFTER THE WARRANTS AND MULTIPLE CHARGES, WHICH WOULD, UH, PRECLUDE A PERSON FROM BEING ISSUED A CITATION, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE SUBTRACTED, UH, LEAVING THE OFFICER WITH NO DISCRETION, WHETHER, WHETHER TO CITE OR ARREST THAT.AND THAT'S THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, AN ARREST IS REQUIRED, UH, PER THE PROGRAM.
THE RELEASE RATE IS PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, IN TERMS OF ETHNIC AND RACIAL, UH, LINES.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE ENFORCEMENT BY AGE, AND IT, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF, UM, UH, OF FOLKS, UM, INVOLVED IN THIS PROGRAM ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 40 YEARS OLD OR UNDER THE AGE OF 40.
UH, AND, AND, UH, FROM A PERCENTAGE STANDPOINT, 83% ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 40.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THAT THE, UH, THE FOLKS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THIS PROGRAM, AGAIN, ARE OVERWHELMINGLY MALE.
THIS DEPICTS THE ARREST AND CITATIONS BY SERVICE AREA.
UH, THE HIGHEST, UH, NUMBER OF OFFENSES, UH, THE, THE, UH, SERVICE AREA IS, IS, UM, LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF, UH, OFFENSES IS WEST PATROL 40% RATE.
THESE ARE THE ELIGIBLE OFFENSES THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PROGRAM, AND THE HIGHEST, UH, RELEASE RATE, UH, AMONG THESE OFFENSES IS, UH, THEY'RE HIGH, THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED IN GOLD, AND THEY ARE, UH, THE HIGHEST ONE IS DW UH, DRIVING WHILE, UH, LICENSES INVALID.
UH, NEXT ONE IS A CLASS B THEFT, AND THE NEXT ONE IS A CLASS B THEFT OF SERVICE.
UH, THE LOWEST LATEST RELEASE RATE IS FOR CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
AND, UH, JUST TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU, I'M ACTUALLY, UH, MULLING OVER PULLING, UH, THAT FROM THE PROGRAM.
AND I GIVE YOU, I GIVE YOU A REASON WHY.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE A COMPLAINANT, YOU CALL THE POLICE, YOU GO OUTSIDE, YOU FIND YOUR TIRE SLASHED, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND, UH, THEY HAVE A VIDEO THAT SHOWS THAT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SLASH JUST SLASHED THEIR TIRES AND, AND THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S SITTING ON, ON THEIR STEP AND THE OFFICER COMES UP, DECIDES THAT YES, THAT IS THE PERSON, THERE'S ENOUGH TO, UH, EITHER CITE OR RELEASE THAT PERSON FOR THAT OFFENSE OF CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.
AND HOW WOULD YOU FEEL AS A COMPLAINANT IF YOU'RE STANDING THERE LOOKING AT ALL FOUR OF YOUR TIRES SLASHED, AND THE OFFICER WRITES A TICKET TO THE, TO THE, UH, TO THE OFFENDER, AND THE OFFENDER WALKS BACK INTO THE HOUSE, SAYS, THANK YOU, AND WALKS AWAY AS A, AS A COMPLAINANT WHO JUST GOT YOUR TIRE SLASHED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D BE VERY HAPPY, UM, IN THAT SITUATION.
OR THE SAME AS ANY KIND OF SITUATION WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS DESTROYED, THE OFFICER COMES ALONG, WRITES A CITATION, AND THE PERSON WALKS AWAY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT INTERNALLY.
UM, AND WE WILL, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH MARIA ONCE WE COME TO A, UH, A DECISION ON RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT BE REMOVED FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, LIST OF, UH, OFFENSES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE.
SO THERE ARE, UM, THE REASON THAT SOMEONE IS ARRESTED INSTEAD OF CITED OF BEING CITED.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICER HAS NO DISCRETION IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CHARGES, UH, AGAINST YOU OR THE, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT FROM THIS COUNTY, UH, OR, UH, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER REASONS, BUT IF, IF YOU'VE FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF ANY OF THOSE READINGS, REASONS A CUSTODIAL ARREST IS REQUIRED, AND YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE SLIDE, UH, A LIST OF REASONS WHY, UM, UM, YOU WOULD BE ARRESTED AND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CITATION.
SO, COUNCILMAN PERRY, THIS SLIDE IS ESPECIALLY FOR YOU.
UM, THE
SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THEY WERE REDUCED.
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HOURS OF WORK REDUCED FOR OFFICERS WAS OVER 4,200 HOURS.AND, UH, IT, IT, IT ADDS UP TO ALMOST THREE, UM, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS.
UM, SO AGAIN, FOR ME, THE, THE, THE, UH, BASIS FOR DOING THIS IS SAVING OFFICER TIME AND GETTING THEM BACK ON THE STREET IN A, IN A MORE EXPEDIENT WAY THAN ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR SOME OF THESE MINOR MORE MINOR OFFENSES.
AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
UH, I'M GONNA GET A LITTLE TECHNICAL.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE REPORT, TABLE 1.1, IN THE FOURTH QUARTER, THERE WERE 506 CITATIONS, WHICH IS ABOUT 22% OF OUR ANNUAL TOTAL OF 2300, UH, FOUR CITATIONS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ARRESTS FOR THE SAME QUARTER, THERE'S ABOUT, AGAIN, 22% OF THE ANNUAL ARRESTS TAKING PLACE.
WAS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT OUR PROGRAM THAT'S CREATING THIS SYMMETRY THAT THE FACT THAT THE TWO PERCENTAGES WERE THE, THE SAME PIQUED MY INTEREST AND I THOUGHT PERHAPS THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE DOING PROGRAMMATICALLY THAT MAY BE A MARKER TO KEEP IN MIND GOING FORWARD? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER? NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
UH, AS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS IS JUST RANDOM.
I THINK IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN, UM, DIG INTO A LITTLE DEEPER JUST TO SEE, IT'S UNUSUAL FOR THE EXACT SAME PERCENTAGE, BUT IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT AND THEN, UM, ON TABLE 2.1 AND 2.2, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO TABLES AND CONSIDER THE OVERREPRESENTATION OF ARRESTS FOR HISPANICS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS IN COMPARISON TO THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE SIMILAR, UH, RELEASE RATES FOR EVERYONE WITH WHITES BEING THE HIGHEST.
IT, IT MAKES ME QUESTION THE STREET LEVEL EXECUTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING OUT THERE.
JUST READING THE DATA, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S SEEING THE OVERREPRESENTATION IS CONCERNING.
I KNOW THIS IS NOW THE, IS THIS THE THIRD REPORT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM SITE AND RELEASE? NO, WE HAD TWO BEFORE THE PANDEMIC HIT.
SO THIS IS OUR, OUR SECOND PRESENTATION TO THE COMMITTEE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE'RE COLLECTING ANY DATA REGARDING RACIAL CONGRUENCY OF THE ARRESTING OFFICER AND THE SUSPECT.
DO WE HAVE, ARE WE TRACKING THAT? NO, MA'AM.
I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION, AND, AND THE CHIEF COVERED THIS A LITTLE, UH, QUICK ON HIS PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO TABLES THAT YOU REFERENCED, WHERE YOU HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ARRESTS AND CITATIONS BY RACE AND ETHNICITY, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, ARRESTS WITHOUT THOSE THAT HAD MULTIPLE CHARGES OR WARRANTS, UM, THEN, THEN THE PERCENTAGE REFLECT MORE OF OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF, UH, HISPANICS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS.
UH, WHAT WE FOUND OUT AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS IS, UM, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD OUTSTANDING WARRANTS OF MULTIPLE CHARGES, UM, THOSE TEND TO BE HIGHER ON HISPANICS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS.
SO ONCE YOU PULL THOSE OUT AND YOU EVALUATE JUST THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER AS A PERCENTAGE, PERCENTAGES TEND TO BE, UH, LOWER THAN WHEN YOU TAKE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AS A WHOLE.
UH, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT THE DATA REGARDING THE, THE RACIAL CONGRUENCY OF THE OFFICER AND THE, UM, THE SUSPECT COULD BE HELPFUL.
I MEAN, JUST ADD IN, IT'S ANOTHER DATA POINT WE COULD LOOK AT AND MAYBE MAKE CHANGES.
COUNCIL MEMBER, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO THAT THERE, THERE'S NO FIELD TO PULL THAT FROM, AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE RACE OR ETHNICITY OF EVERY SINGLE OFFICER, I MEAN, THOUSANDS THAT ARE WRITING TICKETS AND, AND MAKING ARRESTS IN, IN THIS PROGRAM.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW PRACTICAL, MATTER OF FACT, I DO KNOW HOW PRACTICAL IT WOULD BE AND, AND IT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL AT ALL.
IS IT A MATTER OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROGRAMMING THE SYSTEM, JUST ADDING ANOTHER DROPDOWN MENU? UM, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, I WOULD IMAGINE WHEN YOU'RE THE ARRESTING OFFICER, IT WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR RACE IS GONNA STAY THE SAME, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW, HOW CAN YOU ADD THAT JUST, UH, AUTOMATICALLY SO THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO INPUT EVERY TIME? I, I, I DON'T KNOW, MA UH, COUNCIL MEMBER IF, I MEAN, IF THERE'S CERTAINLY, IF THERE'S SOME EASY WAY TO DO IT, WE, WE HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO, TO PROVIDE THE RACE OF AN OFFICER EVERY TIME THERE'S AN ARREST OR
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CITATION ISSUED.MAYBE MARIA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NOT WHAT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
I WILL TELL YOU, THE MAJORITY OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE MINORITIES, UH, WITH HISPANICS BEING THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE, UH, OF, OF ALL OF OUR POLICE FORCE IN CHIEF.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS HANDY, BUT AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF OUR POLICE FORCE IS, UM, MINORITY OR, UH, INDIVIDUALS OF COLOR.
UM, I, I JUST REAL QUICK, I WANNA DIGRESS.
I, UM, YOU GUYS KNOW I'M A, A PRACTICING ATTORNEY AND I DO A LITTLE BIT OF CRIMINAL LAW WHEN I'M READING THE ARREST, UH, RECORD.
WHEN I'M READING THE REPORTS, I DON'T SEE THAT ELECTRONIC DATA ON THAT REPORT.
I SEE A LOT OF TIMES A HANDWRITTEN, SOMETIMES TYPED OUT REPORTS, BUT THERE'S CHECK BOXES ON THAT THAT ARE FILLED OUT BY HAND.
I MEAN, IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST ADD ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON THE REPORTS THAT WE DO, AND I, YOU KNOW, FULL WELL UNDERSTANDING.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THESE REPORTS ALL ENTAIL, BUT I DO KNOW WHEN I READ A A, A SUSPECT'S, UM, A REPORT ON THE ARREST THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF HANDWRITING IN THERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF, LIKE, IF YOU'RE THE ARRESTING OFFICER, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR TICKET BOOK AND IT HAS YOUR RACE AT THE TOP EVERY TIME.
JUST, JUST SOME IDEAS I WANNA THROW OUT THERE.
I THINK IT'S WORTH RECORDING, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S AUTOMATIC, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT THERE, I HOPE THAT THERE'S AUTOMATIC WAYS TO DO THAT.
AND IF NOT, THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER BOX THAT THEY HAVE TO CHECK WHEN THEY FILL OUT THE, THE TICKET OR THE REPORT.
WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT COUNCILWOMAN OKAY.
AND SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON, UM, TO COUNCIL MEMBER QUESTIONS, STARTING WITH COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
CHIEF, I ONLY REALLY HAVE ONE QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO SITE AND RELEASE AND IT COMES TO THE CITATIONS, UM, THAT ARE BEING ISSUED DURING C O V D, UM, ARE THOSE CITATIONS REPRESENTED WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND RELEASE, OR WHERE ARE THOSE NUMBERS? ARE THEY JUST A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DATABASE ALTOGETHER? YOU, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN SINCE COVID STARTED? YES, SIR.
UH, THE ANSWER IS YES, COUNCILWOMAN, THE REPORT INCLUDES, UM, ACTIVITY FROM JULY 1ST, 2019 TO, UH, JUNE 30TH OF, UM, 2020.
SO WE CAPTURE DATA SINCE THE PANDEMIC STARTED FOR THE MONTHS OF MARCH, APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE THROUGH THIS REPORT.
AND THEY'RE WITHIN THIS, LIKE, I KNOW THE CITATIONS HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE LIST THAT WE SEE, UM, IN FRONT OF US, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING, ARE THEY INCORPORATED IN THE LIST THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, OR IS THAT SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT? NO, MA'AM.
THEY, THEY DO NOT FALL WITHIN THE, UH, WITHIN THE LIST OF PERMISSIBLE OFFENSES FOR SITE AND RELEASE.
AND THEN, UH, CHIEF, AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD, I KNOW BEFORE THERE WAS A, A LOT OF TALK AND DEBATE ABOUT HOW SITE RE RELEASE WAS WORKING FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION.
DO WE KNOW, UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NOW, OR CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AND HOW IT'S BEEN, UH, RECTIFIED OR, OR WHAT ARE WE DOING AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH THE, UM, WHAT IS IT TRESPASSING, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR HOMELESS COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, THE, UH, TRESPASSING IS NOT INCLUDED ON THIS, UH, ON THIS SITE AND RELEASE LIST, BUT ANY, ANY OF THAT INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE BACK END OF, OF SITE AND RELEASE WOULD'VE TO COME FROM THE DA'S OFFICE.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
SO ARE WE LOOKING TO ADD ANY OTHER CATEGORIES TO SITE AND RELEASE, OR ARE WE JUST GONNA STAY WITH THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE HERE? MAN, THE, THE ONLY CATEGORIES THAT ARE PERMITTED ARE, ARE THE ONES THAT ARE WRITTEN INTO THE C C P, THE, THE CODE AL PROCEDURES.
AND RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE WE'RE DOING, UH, UH, UH, SEVEN OF THOSE NINE, YEAH, SEVEN OF THOSE NINE.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING A LOT OF INFORMATION ON, UH, THE SITE AND RELEASE AND MAKING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE AS WE GO FORWARD.
BUT I JUST THINK THAT EDUCATION IS KEY WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, UM, AND WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT IS IN PLACE AND WHY IS IT IN PLACE AND HOW DID IT GET IN PLACE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP FROM THE DA ABOUT, UM, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD EARLIER IN THE YEAR WHEN IT CAME TO TRESPASSING IN THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
MADAM CHAIR, YOU COUNCILWOMAN,
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ANDREW SULLIVAN, UH, COUNCILWOMAN VIDA.UM, SOME QUICK QUESTIONS IN THE REPORT.
UM, YOU HAVE THE SERVICE AREAS, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE BREAKDOWN OF THE SERVICE AREA, THE ARREST AND THE RELEASE, AND THE, THE PERCENTAGES.
IS THERE A WAY, DO YOU HAVE THE BREAKDOWN EVEN FURTHER IN THE SERVICE AREAS OF WHAT TYPE IT, IT WAS, WHAT THE OFFENSE WAS? DO YOU HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN? NO, MA'AM.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN GET THAT OR LOOK AT IT? SO I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE OFFENSES COMING FROM IN CERTAIN AREAS, OR EVEN IF IT MATTERS.
I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
UH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW EASY IT WOULD BE TO, TO PULL THAT INFORMATION AND, AND, AND I, I'LL SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, THAT PROBABLY NOT VERY EASY BECAUSE WE, MOST OF THIS STUFF WE'RE, WE'RE PICKING BY HAND TO, UH MM-HMM.
SO IT'S PRETTY LABOR INTENSIVE BECAUSE I JUST, I JUST WANNA, I WANNA FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT WERE ARRESTED WERE BECAUSE OF MULTIPLE CHARGES IN CERTAIN SERVICE AREAS.
THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
UM, THEN ANOTHER QUESTION IS ON, ON THE TOTAL ARREST BY SERVICE AREA YOU HAVE OR EVEN THE ARREST OF SERVICE AREA DURING THE FOURTH QUARTER OUTSIDE CSA, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S OUTSIDE
I MEAN, NO, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? IS IT LIKE IN ALAMO HEIGHTS, ALL THOSE PARKS? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.
OUT WELL THAT OUTSIDE OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF, UH, THE CITY, BUT THE CITY.
BUT SS A P D IS STILL DOING A SITE AND RELEASE THERE? NOT, NO, NOT IN JU JUST, WELL, JUST IN THE CITY.
I MEAN, IN BEXAR COUNTY, ALAMO, I MEAN, UH, ALAMO HEIGHTS, UH, ALMO PARK, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING, WE'RE NOT ISSUING CITATIONS THERE.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I, I DON'T THINK SO.
CHIEF, I, I THINK THE COUNCILMAN IS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY WE TRACK THOSE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF BOBBY'S IN THE ROOM, MAYBE HE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THOSE MEAN.
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT PAGE SEVEN OF THE, UM, REPORT AND IT HAS SERVICE AREA OUTSIDE CSA.
THERE WERE NINE ARRESTS, THERE WERE NINE RELEASES AND A TOTAL OF 18.
SO WHO WOULD'VE BEEN THOSE 18 AND WHERE WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN? SO COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT WOULD BE THE, FOR AN OFFENSE THAT WAS COMMITTED HERE, BUT THEY WERE STOPPED IN, IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION, UM, OH, OKAY.
UM, WELL, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I
UM, UH, SO THIS IS THE FIRST FULL YEAR.
CONGRATULATIONS, UH, CHIEF ON YOUR FIRST ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM.
UH, COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE, THE REQUEST FOR HAVING THIS REPORT, UM, I, UM, I BASICALLY WANNA SUPPORT THE DATA INQUIRIES THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE.
UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IT'S A GREAT USE OF OFFICER TIME TO BE PULLING THAT DATA.
UH, I KNOW THAT IN THIS BUDGET WE ARE CONSIDERING, UH, ADDING SEVERAL NEW DATA ANALYST POSITIONS FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.
UH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'LL BE IN THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION.
SO, UM, PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF, WITH THAT TEAM ONCE THEY'RE ON BOARD, UH, CHAIR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO DURING THE MEETING OR THROUGH INDIVIDUAL, UM, THROUGH INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK SOME, GETTING SOME OF THIS DATA PROBABLY SOUNDS, UH, TEDIOUS, BUT IT REALLY IS, UH, JUST DATA AND WE SHOULDN'T LET IT, UH, WE SHOULDN'T LET THAT GET IN THE WAY OF INFORMING OUR POLICY MAKING.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S 2020, THERE'S PLENTY OF SOFTWARE PROGRAMS OUT THERE IF IT MEANS, UH, REPRINTING A FORM.
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THAT THAT'S MOVING A MOUNTAIN, SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.UM, I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE UNSPECIFIED, UH, ARRESTS WHERE THE REASON WASN'T PROVIDED.
UH, CHIEF, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE PROCESS IS WHEN THE, THE REASON ISN'T PROVIDED? SOMETIMES COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S JUST NOT ANNOTATED IN THE REPORT.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO? WELL, WE TALK TO THE OFFICER AND, I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE.
AND IF WE FIND THAT IT'S NOT, THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND CIRCLE BACK WITH THE OFFICER AND TALK WITH HIM OR HER.
AND SO WHEN YOU WITH THE OFFICER, DO THEY GIVE A REASON? YEAH, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE JUST IN A HURRY OR THEY FORGET.
BUT NO, NOTHING REAL SPECIFIC.
NOTHING, NOTHING THAT CREATES A PATTERN.
AND COUNCILWOMAN, IF I MAY, UM, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT OUR FIRST REPORT, WE HAD A LARGER PERCENTAGE BACK THEN.
UM, SO THROUGH TRAINING THE, THE OFFICERS AS BEING A NEW PROGRAM, UH, ONE IT IS, UM, THAT AREA HAS IMPROVED.
NUMBER TWO, JUST TO ALLUDE A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT CHIEF
ONE OF THE CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE IS OUR CURRENT R M S SYSTEM.
AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE BRINGING A NEW R M S, UM, THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL GO LIVE IN NOVEMBER.
THAT WILL GIVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH INFORMATION THAT WE CAN CAPTURE.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST FROM THE COMMITTEE, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IS, IS A LITTLE DATED AND WE ARE, ALL OF US ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW R M SS AND THOSE NEW CAPABILITIES, THE, THE FORMS THAT WE'RE USING TODAY ARE QUITE MANUAL.
AS CHIEF MENTIONED, WE DO A LOT OF, UM, UM, MANUAL ENTRIES TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS REPORT WITH THE NEW R M SS THAT WILL MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER.
AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO REPORT TO THE COMMITTEE WHAT ENHANCEMENTS WE CAN MAKE TO OUR DATA.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THOSE NUMBERS ON UNSPECIFIED HAVE REALLY COME DOWN.
UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO FILL IN THE BLANKS BASICALLY SO THAT THE REPORT IS COMPLETE? UH, NO MA'AM.
IT'S, IT'S GOING BACK IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THE OFFICER MAY NOT REMEMBER, OR, UM, IT'S JUST, IT IS JUST PROBLEMATIC GOING BACK TRACKING DOWN THE OFFICER, AND MOST TIMES THEY WON'T EVEN REMEMBER.
WELL, I, UM, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T SEE A PATTERN, UM, NONETHELESS, UH, SOMETIMES PATTERNS ARE HARD TO DECIPHER, UH, UNLESS WE ACTUALLY SEE THE DATA.
SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UM, GETTING A BREAKDOWN OF THE 69, UH, UNSPECIFIED.
WAIT, WAS THAT AN ANNUAL NUMBER? I GUESS FOR THE WHOLE, UH, FOR THE WHOLE YEAR? WHAT DOES UNSPECIFIED LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT THE ACTUAL, UM, ARREST WAS FOR AND, UH, THE ETHNICITIES AS WELL.
AND NOW COUNCILMAN PERRY, PLEASE.
I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS HERE.
UM, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, I HAD, UM, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CRIMINAL MISCHIEF BEFORE, UM, FOR THE EXACT REASONS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
PLUS, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER CRIMINAL MISCHIEF, BREAKING WINDOWS, DOING DAMAGE TO HOUSES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, THAT JUST DIDN'T GO OVER VERY WELL HERE IN DISTRICT 10.
MAYBE IT IS, IT'S OKAY IN OTHER DISTRICTS, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT OKAY IN MINE.
AND, UM, I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET THAT, THAT OFF THAT LIST.
UM, WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM, IF YOU REMEMBER, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY STATISTICS ON IT ABOUT REPEAT OFFENDERS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED, UM, ABOUT KEEPING THE DATA AND THE STATISTICS ON REPEAT OFFENDERS, AND ALSO IF THEY'VE BEEN, THEY WENT AND THE SITE AND RELEASE PROGRAM, AND THEN THEY WENT TO, UH, UH, A MORE SERIOUS CRIME.
AND I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT DATA IN YOUR, IN YOUR REPORTS.
AND I'VE, I KNOW I'VE ASKED FOR THAT BEFORE.
WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE DA.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA, AND WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU WITH THAT NUMBER.
YEAH, I ASKED WHEN WE HAD THE JOINT, UH, WITH, WHEN HE WAS AT THE MEETING.
UH, HE, HE KIND OF HEMMED AND HAWED WHETHER THEY DID KEEP A RECORD OF THAT, BUT THEN AT THE END OF IT, THEY SAID, YES, THEY DO HAVE A RECORD OF THAT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT AND ADD THAT TO OUR, TO OUR BRIEFINGS HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S
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IMPORTANT TO SEE HOW MANY REPEAT OFFENDERS ARE OUT THERE.AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I I I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW IN THIS PROGRAM AS WELL.
AND I, HOW MANY, HOW MANY, UH, OFFICERS DO WE HAVE OUT IN THE FIELD ON PATROL YEAH.
THAT, THAT ARE PARTICIPATE, THAT HAVE THIS PROGRAM? WELL, ALL, I MEAN, ALL, ALL THE 1400 PATROL OFFICERS, UH, ARE INVOLVED IN THIS.
SO YOU SAID, UH, AND, AND I THINK I SAW THAT BEFORE, ABOUT 4,000 HOURS.
YOU REALLY THINK THIS PROGRAM IS WORTH THREE FTES OUT OF 1400? I I, I JUST, I JUST QUESTION THAT BECAUSE I, YEAH, 4,000 HOURS DOES SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT THAT'S THREE FTES OUT OF 1400.
I I DON'T SEE A BIG, UH, A BIG SAVINGS IN THAT, AND NOT IN MY, AND NOT IN MY OPINION.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BIG SAVING.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE OFFICERS WOULD MUCH RATHER WRITE A CITATION THAN HAVE TO ARREST SOMEBODY IF THEY HAD THE OPTION.
WELL, UM, I'M JUST NOT SEEING THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN THIS.
SO, AND I MADE THAT, I MADE THAT COMMENT WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND I'M STILL REPEATING THAT COMMENT AGAIN.
UM, AND JUST TO COMMENT, I, I, I DON'T SEE MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE VALIDITY OF TRACKING THE RACE OF ARRESTING OFFICERS OUT THERE.
I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT OUR DEMOGRAPHICS ARE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S WORTH EXTRA TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT BY POLICE OFFICER TO, UH, ADD ANOTHER STATISTIC OUT THERE THAT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT'S GONNA ACCOMPLISH AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
I DON'T SEE A, A REAL VALUE TO MAKING EXTRA WORK AN EXTRA, EVEN A CHECKING A BOX DOES TAKE EXTRA TIME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST DON'T SEE THE VALUE IN THAT.
BUT IN THAT, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMAN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I, I PRESSED THE POINTS TO GET POSSIBLE DATA ABOUT THE STREET LEVEL EXECUTION.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR BY THE OFFICER.
AND POSSIBLE DATA OF SUSPECT OR OFFENDER AND BOTH AREAS OF DATA CAN BE HELPFUL.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, EXTRA DATA CAN EVER HURT US WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE POLICY, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
BUT, BUT I APPRECIATE AND RESPECT YOUR, YOUR OPINION.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S IT FOR THAT, THAT ITEM.
[4. 20-5362 Briefing on the Complaint and Administrative Review Board (CARB) [Maria Villagomez, Deputy City Manager; William P. McManus, Chief of Police]]
ITEM FOUR.UM, A BRIEFING ON THE, THE CARD.
SO THIS, UH, A BRIEFING ON OUR COMPLAINT AND ADMINISTRATOR REVIEW BOARD.
UM, OUR FIRST CITY ATTORNEY, UH, ELIZABETH PROVENCIO, WILL BE PROVIDING US AN OVERVIEW OF THE DISCIPLINE PROCESS AND HOW THE CAR, UH, PLAYS A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE IN THAT PROCESS.
AND OF COURSE, CHIEF NESSEL WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
AND THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT OUR CARB, THE COMPLAINT AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD.
AND, UM, THE ESSENCE OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY WILL BE DIVIDED UP INTO TWO PIECES EFFECTIVELY.
FIRST, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROCEDURAL PROCESSES AND, AND WHERE THE CARB FITS IN THAT, JUST TO REVISIT THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THE COMPOSITION OF THE CARB AND, UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, TODAY.
SO LAUREN, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND SO YOU'LL RECALL, AS FAR AS OUR DISCIPLINE PROCESS GO, IT IS A FUNCTION OF 1 43, WHICH IS THE PROCESS THAT SETS UP, UM, THE COMPLAINT AS WELL AS THE ARBITRATION PROCESS LATER ON.
AND THEN WE HAVE FILLED IN THROUGH THE C B A VARIOUS POINTS ALONG THAT WAY WITH C B A PROVISIONS.
AND SO THE DISCIPLINE BEGINS FROM A COMPLAINT, WHETHER THAT BE FROM THE COMMUNITY, OR IT COULD BE INTERNALLY OR FROM, UM, WITHIN THE LINE.
AND THEN IT PROCEEDS, AND THERE'S TWO
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METHODS BY WHICH IT CAN PROCEED.OUR FORMAL COMPLAINTS ARE INVESTIGATED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
AND AS WE PROCEED TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR A MOMENT, JUST SO, UM, WE, WE REMEMBER WHAT THEIR COMPOSITION IS AND WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DO AS FAR AS THE INVESTIGATIONS AND, UM, THEIR ROLE IN THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS.
SO THEY HAVE A TEAM OF A CAPTAIN, LIEUTENANT, 12 SERGEANTS, UM, AN OFFICER AND TWO CIVILIAN THAT SUPPORT THE UNIT.
THEY RECEIVE AND INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS.
SO IT'S SOLELY AGAINST SWORN PERSONNEL THAT, UM, IA WILL OPERATE, UM, THEIR INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS FOR, THEY COLLECT THE FACTS, THEY CONDUCT THE INTERVIEWS.
THOSE WILL INCLUDE STATEMENTS, RECORDS, PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, PHOTOGRAPH, ALL OF THAT, WHICH MAY INCLUDE A POLYGRAPH, UM, IF NEEDED.
AND ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE, THE CASE IS THEN FORWARDED AND PRESENTED TO THE CARB.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, LAURA.
AND SO TO REVISIT THE, THE TWO METHODS BY WHICH COMPLAINTS PROCEED, UM, THE HIGHER, UM, METHOD IS FOR THE MORE EGREGIOUS OFFENSES.
AND SO THAT IS FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, PLAYS ITS ROLE.
UM, IT THEN PROCEEDS AND IS PRESENTED TO THE COMPLAINT, ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BOARD TO THE CARB.
ULTIMATELY, THE CARB TAKES AND MAKES ITS VOTES AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CHIEF.
AND THEN THE CHIEF IS, UM, DETERMINES DISCIPLINE.
THAT IS THEN UP TO THE OFFICER TO EITHER ACCEPT THE DISCIPLINE OR POTENTIALLY APPEAL THE DISCIPLINE.
THE SECOND ROW THAT YOU SEE, WHICH IS LINE COMPLAINTS, ARE FOR MUCH LOWER LEVEL, UM, COMPLAINTS.
AND THOSE CAN INCLUDE THINGS LIKE TARDINESS OR, UM, DELAYED REPORT WRITING, OR JUST SOMETIMES JUST HONEST MISTAKES.
AND THOSE WILL GO THROUGH THE LINE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
SO ULTIMATELY, THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE THAT GETS REFERRED THROUGH THE IA PROCESS AS A RESULT OF A LINE COMPLAINT.
UM, BUT IT IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE LOWER LEVEL ISSUES, UM, FOR PURPOSES OF, OF, UM, UH, PARTICULAR ACTIONS BY OFFICERS.
THESE ARE GOVERNED BY THE GENERAL MANUAL, UM, AND THE GENERAL MANUAL 3 0 3 PROVIDES HOW THOSE, HOW THOSE WILL PROCEED.
NOW, YOU'LL RECALL AS A RESULT OF BOTH 1 43 AND THEN WHAT WE, WE CAPTURE IN OUR C B A.
EITHER OF THESE PROCESSES MUST, UM, START AND COME TO COMPLETION WITHIN 180 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE INCIDENT OR THE DATE, UH, THAT THE CONDUCT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRES.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL TALK, UM, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CARB.
AND THE CARB IS ABLE TO REVIEW THE FILES AND GET, UM, THE PRESENTATION BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS BECAUSE IT IS SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED BY THE JOINT AGREEMENT IN THE C B A.
AND SO, ONCE IA HAS CONCLUDED, IT PRESENTS ITS FINDINGS TO, UH, THE CARBS.
AND YOU'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE CARB HAVING TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
ONE IS OUR, THE CIVILIAN PORTION OF THE CARB, AND THE OTHER PORTION IS THE UNIFORM PORTION.
SO THEY SIT, UM, AND THEY HEAR THE VERY SAME EVIDENCE FROM IA ON A PARTICULAR MATTER, AND THE CIVILIANS WILL TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER THEY, UH, SUSTAIN, UH, SUSTAIN THE FINDINGS OF IA, AND THE UNIFORM PORTION WILL DO THE SAME.
AND IF THERE IS EITHER OF THOSE SUSTAINS THE FINDINGS OF IA, THEN THAT COMPONENT WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON DISCIPLINE, AND ULTIMATELY THAT WILL GO TO CHIEF.
AND SO, AS PART OF THE CIVILIAN'S RESPONSIBILITY, THEY WILL BE TRAINED, UH, ON IA PROCESSES, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE HEARING IN TERMS OF, UM, THE INVESTIGATIONS AND THE EXPECTATIONS, UM, OF THE OFFICERS.
UM, THEIR, THEIR ROLE IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THEIR JUDGMENT, UM, AND WHAT'S PRESENTED TO THEM, TO THE CHIEF.
AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THAT, UM, FOR PURPOSES OF, OF TRACKING, UM, THE DISCIPLINARY
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ACTIONS, UM, ARE PRETTY HIGHLY, UM, MATCHING WHAT THE CHIEF ULTIMATELY DECIDES WITH THAT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CARB AT ONE POINT.I'LL MAKE ON THAT SECOND BULLET ON THE BACKGROUND.
WITH REGARD TO THE SEVEN UNIFORM OFFICERS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BOARD OF 14.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE VACANCY, BUT WE HAVE SEVEN SERVED SIX MONTHS AT A TIME, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN ALTERNATE ON AND OFF.
AND, UM, THE TIME COMMITMENT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DOABLE FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE OTHER COMMITMENTS, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR DUTIES ON THE CARB.
SO, UM, SEVEN WILL SIT AT A TIME, AND THEN OF COURSE, IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ALTERNATE NEEDED OR THAT SORT OF THING, THEY CAN, THEY CAN PULL FROM THE OTHER SEVEN, UM, THAT ARE PART OF THE CURRENT BOARD.
SO IF YOU'LL PROCEED TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, LAUREN.
THE PROCESS TO BECOME A CARB MEMBER IS THROUGH OUR APPLICATIONS, UH, PROCESS IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
UM, AND SO THEY WILL PROMOTE THE, UM, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND IF FOLKS HAVE AN INTEREST, THEY'LL IDENTIFY THE CARB AS SOMETHING THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE ON.
UM, THEY'VE GOTTA BE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND CANNOT HAVE, UM, ANY OFFENSES ABOVE A CLASS C, UM, TO SERVE.
AND ULTIMATELY, AS PART OF THE, THE REVIEW PROCESS, THEY GO THROUGH AN INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH THE CITY ATTOR, SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SITTING WITH THE CHIEF'S OFFICE AND, UM, WITH, UH, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THAT, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR APPOINTMENT.
AND THEN THEY COMPLETE THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND CARD TRAINING SUBSEQUENT TO COUNSEL'S APPROVAL OF THEIR APPOINTMENT.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE NEXT SLIDE OF THE EVOLUTION OF OUR CARB, AND IT FIRST CAME, UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, C B A BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WITH ONLY TWO POSITIONS ON THE BOARD.
AND OVER TIME, THAT HAS BEEN INCREASED AND WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CURRENT COMPOSITION, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, 50 50 ON THE BOARD.
OUR, UH, CURRENT MAKEUP OF THE BOARD, UM, WE HAVE SEVEN WOMEN, WE HAVE SIX MEN.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE RACE AND ETHNIC BREAKDOWN, UH, ON THE OTHER GRAPH.
AND IN OUR FINAL SLIDE, WHICH IS THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL JUST RECAP HOW THE CAR PROCESS FITS IN THE PROCESS OVERALL.
UM, ONCE THERE IS A REVIEW OF THE INVESTIGATION, UH, VOTE BY THE CARB AND A CARB RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF, UM, THE CHIEF WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO ISSUE, UM, CONTEMPLATED DISCIPLINE.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE OFFICER IS GIVEN, UM, THE NOTICE OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL DISCIPLINE IS AGAINST HIM OR HER, UH, BASED ON THE INVESTIGATION.
AND THEN THERE IS A LOUDERMILL HEARING WITH THE CHIEF AND THE OFFICER, SO THAT THE OFFICER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ANY EXCULPATORY OR MITIGATING, UM, EVIDENCE THAT THE OFFICER WOULD LIKE THE CHIEF TO CONSIDER.
UM, ALSO, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE OFFICER HAS THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AS, AS, AND GIVE HIS OR HER, UH, VERSION AS PART OF THE, THE PRESENTATION OF IA TO THE CARB.
UM, BUT SPECIFICALLY AFTER THERE'S A CONTEMPLATED DISCIPLINE THAT'S ISSUED, UM, THE OFFICER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DIRECTLY WITH THE CHIEF SO THAT THE CHIEF CAN HEAR FROM THE OFFICER, UH, ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL POINTS, CONSIDERATIONS, UM, OR MITIGATION THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE CHIEF BEFORE FINAL DISCIPLINE IS IMPOSED SUBSEQUENT TO THAT LOUDERMILL HEARING, THEN THE CHIEF SERVES FINAL DISCIPLINE, UM, ON THE OFFICER.
AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE OFFICER MAY THEN APPEAL THAT DISCIPLINE, UM, AND THAT NOTICE ACTUALLY GOES TO, UH, THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND OCCURS WITHIN 15 DAYS OF THE FINAL DISCIPLINE BEING IMPOSED.
AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE, UM, MY PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
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ANOTHER SEGMENT OF THE PRESENTATION? JUST MAKING SURE.OKAY, THANK YOU, LIZ, FOR THE BRIEFING AND THE EXPLANATION OF THE BOARD.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF REGARDING THE, UM, PART OF REALLY KIND OF YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS CHIEF, ONCE THE CARVE IS MADE A RECOMMENDATION AND WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, REGARDING A PUNISHMENT, IF ANY, FOR AN OFFICER, DO YOU USE A SPECIFIC METHODOLOGY OR CHECKLIST? AND, AND ALSO WHAT DATA ARE YOU USING? UH, OTHER THAN THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF BOTH THE, UM, THE CIVILIANS AND THEN THE OFFICERS ON THE CAR? SURE.
SO IT, SO IT'S JUST A, UH, TO BE LITERAL, IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL MEMBER.
IT'S, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY A CONTEMPLATED NOTICE OF WHAT I, I WOULD CONSIDER AS, AS BEING, UH, THE DISCIPLINE THAT WOULD BE IMPOSED.
AND THAT THE, THE BASIS FOR THAT CONTEMPLATED NOTICE IS BASED ON WHAT THE BOARD RECOMMENDS.
NOW, IF THE BOARD REC, LET'S SAY THE CIVILIAN AND THE SWORN BOARD BOTH RECOMMENDED A 10 DAY SUSPENSION, THEN I WOULD ISSUE A CONTEMPLATED NOTICE FOR A 10 DAY SUSPENSION.
IF THE BOARD WAS, WAS WAY OFF, THEN I WOULD USE MY OWN, UM, DETERMIN, MAKE MY OWN DETERMINATION ON WHAT I THOUGHT WAS FAIR, UH, UH, AND, AND WOULD, WOULD ADDRESS THE, UH, WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS.
UM, HON HONEST MISTAKES AND JUDGMENT, UH, ARE HANDLED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN, THAN MISCONDUCT.
UM, AND DEPENDING UPON HOW EGREGIOUS IT IS, I MEAN, IT COULD RANGE FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY UP TO AN INDEFINITE SUSPENSION, UH, AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON THE EGREGIOUSNESS OF, OF WHAT HAPPENED.
THE, THE FOUNDATION OF MY ISSUE FOR MY ISSUANCE FOR A CONTEMPLATED NOTICE OF WHATEVER IT MAY BE IS BASED ON THE CARBS RECOMMENDATION.
CAN YOU TELL ME, UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR DECISIONS HAVE GONE ALONG WITH THE CONTEMPLATED DECISION? PROBABLY ABOUT 95%.
AND, AND CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT PERCENTAGE HAVE YOU INCREASED THE PUNISHMENT, AND THEN WHAT PERCENTAGE HAVE YOU DECREASED IT? OF I GUESS THE REMAINING FIVE? YEAH.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, THE, THE, THE, THE CONTEMPLATED OFTEN CHANGES BASED ON WHAT'S DISCUSSED, UH, AND WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, UH, IN TERMS OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THAT OFFICER'S EXPLANATION WAS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST A VARIETY OF OTHER FACTORS.
AND CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE AVERAGE, I THINK, UH, ON THIS, I WANT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
UM, WHAT'S CASELOAD IS FOR LIZ, BUT THE AVERAGE CASELOAD OF THE CARB, LIKE HOW MANY CASES ARE THEY REVIEWING, UM, EVERY OTHER WEEK, AND THEN, LIKE, HOW MUCH INFORMATION ARE THEY GOING THROUGH FOR EACH CASE? LIKE AS FAR AS PAPERWORK, BODY CAMS, ALL THAT STUFF.
UH, IT GOES, IT GOES UP AND DOWN COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, SOME WEEKS WE MAY HAVE TWO OR THREE, SOME WEEKS WE MAY HAVE NINE OR 10.
IT, IT FLUCTUATES AND THERE'S NO REAL PATTERN FOR HOW MANY WE HAVE EVERY WEEK.
AND DEPENDING UPON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CASE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW LONG THE, THE CARD MEMBERS WILL SPEND COMPLEXITY OF THE CASE AND THE NUMBER OF CASES.
UH, BUT, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO, TO REPORT TO, TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS PRIOR TO THE HEARING TO REVIEW THE CASE, CASE JACKETS, CASE FILES.
THE REASON I ASK IS I, I'M CONCERNED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SEVEN OFFICERS WHO HAVE THEIR REGULAR, UM, PATROL AND THEN SEVEN CIVILIANS WHO, UH, PROBABLY HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS AND FAMILIES.
AND I, MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE OVERLOADED.
UM, SO I WONDER IF THERE'S NOT, WE SHOULD LOOK AT EXPANDING IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO MORE OFFICERS, TWO MORE CIVILIANS OR MAYBE ROTATING MORE OFTEN, OR, UH, I KNOW WE CAN'T DECREASE THE WORKLOAD BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA KEEP THESE THINGS GOING IN A TIMELY MANNER, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN THE TWO WEEKS IN BETWEEN MEETINGS.
WHEN WE INTERVIEW THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, FOR, FOR THE BOARD, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE, WE, WE TALK ABOUT, OR ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE BRING UP, AND WHAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS THEIR ABILITY TO MEET THE TIME COMMITMENT.
AND IF THEY CAN'T COMMIT, IF THEY CAN'T COMMIT TO IT, THEN THEY, THEY JUST DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T, UH, PROCEED IF THEY CAN.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO, UM, UH, ARE ABLE TO, UM, UH, AFFORD THE TIME COMMITMENT BECAUSE EITHER THEY'RE SELF-EMPLOYED OR THEY'RE RETIRED, OR THEY JUST HAVE THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR JOBS.
AND THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO DO IT
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ARE VOLUNTEERS.UH, THEY WANT TO DO IT, THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED.
SO THERE REALLY HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WITH, UH, WORKLOAD, AND THAT'S WHY WE ROTATE 'EM EVERY SIX MONTHS SO THEY DON'T BURN OUT.
I, I, I, I STILL MAYBE KIND OF LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT I, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE, OH, THERE WAS A, A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED IN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO PASS ALONG.
OH, IT'S A, IT'S REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF DISCLOSING PUBLIC RECORDS FROM THE CARBS VOTE.
IS THAT MAYBE LIZ CAN ANSWER THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCLOSED? NO, MA'AM.
UM, THE RELEASE OF RECORDS OCCURS UPON THE COMPLETION OF DISCIPLINE.
SO IF THERE IS FINAL DISCIPLINE, THEN THE RECORDS DO GET RELEASED.
IF THERE IS NOT, UM, IF THERE IS NOT DISCIPLINE, FINAL DISCIPLINE, THEN THOSE RECORDS DO NOT GET RELEASED.
SO THE, THE, THE SPEAKER, UM, ARE, ARE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT RECORDS THAT HAD BEEN RELEASED AS A RESULT OF FINAL DISCIPLINE BEING IMPOSED.
I THINK WE'RE BACK TO REVERSE ORDER.
UH, COUNCILMAN PERRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, AND THAT ANSWERS SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ALSO ABOUT THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, IT'S NOT OPEN TO, THE PUBLIC RECORDS ARE SEALED IF, UH, CASES AREN'T, AND I UNDERSTAND THOSE, THOSE REASONS AND RATIONALE.
UM, BUT THOSE THAT ARE, ARE, UM, FINALIZED AND SENT THROUGH THE SYSTEM, DO WE POST 'EM IN ANY KIND OF WAY OR ARE THEY, WE JUST WAIT FOR A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, UH, REQUEST OR HOW, HOW, HOW WOULD PEOPLE GET ACCESS TO THOSE? JUST CATHERINE, WE, I'M SORRY.
WE JUST STARTED POSTING THAT, UH, THOSE RESULTS OF THOSE, UH, OF THAT DISCIPLINE, UM, JUST PRE COVID.
SO YES, THE INFORMATION IS POSTED.
UH, POSTED WHERE ON OUR WEB, ON OUR OPEN PORTAL.
BUT IS IT UNDER THE SS A P D OR IS IT UNDER YES.
SO THEY ARE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN FINALIZED? YES.
UM, CHIEF, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME, UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA CALL IT CONSTERNATION OR WHAT ABOUT NOT FOLLOWING THE, THE CARB AND YOU KNOW ABOUT, OKAY, THE CARB PUTS IN ALL THIS WORK AND EFFORT AND 95%, YOU SAID THAT YOU GO ALONG WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION 95% OF THE TIME.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY CASES IS THAT THOUGH? I, I, I LIKE TO DEAL WITH NUMBERS AND NOT PERCENTAGES.
HOW MANY IN THE LAST YEAR? HOW MANY HAS THAT BEEN? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER.
UH, BUT OKAY, 95% OF THE TIME AND OUT OF THAT 5% OF THE TIME, UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE GO TO ARBITRATION? ALL 5% OR A PORTION OF THAT 5%? NO, THE, THE ONLY THE ONES THAT ROUTINELY GO TO ARBITRATION ARE THE INDEFINITE SUSPENSIONS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE TOO MANY GO INTO ARBITRATION, IS THAT, ARE NOT, UH, INDEFINITE SUSPENSIONS.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME, UM, DISPUTE AS TO HOW MANY, UM, ARBITRATION CASES THAT WERE LOST VERSUS THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER HERE A WHILE BACK, AND THEN THE, THE UNION SENT OUT WHAT, UH, OLA SENT OUT THEIR NUMBERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN EITHER CASE, IF IT GOES TO ARBITRATION, WHAT IS OUR, WHAT IS OUR SUCCESS RATE OUT OF THAT, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU, COUNCILMAN.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH OUR ARBITRATION PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE ARBITRATION PROCESS IS A DUE PROCESS THAT IS AVAILABLE TO ANY UNIFORM OFFICER OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE RIGHTS JUST AS WELL AS WE DO AS CIVILIANS THAT IF WE GET CHARGED WITH SOMETHING, THERE'S A PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH A LEGAL SYSTEM.
SO I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER WAY TO, UM, CHANGE THAT PROCESS TO MAKE IT MORE
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FAIR TO EITHER, EITHER ORGANIZATION OR TO THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED.UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DO OTHER, OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS DO THE SAME PROCESS, GO THROUGH ARBITRATION THROUGH AN ARBITRATION PROCESS LIKE THIS? AND DO THEY HAVE CARBS LIKE THIS? I TELL, I, I'M SORRY.
NO, FOR, FOR, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN TEXAS THAT HAVE ADOPTED 1 43, UM, OR HAVE A, A SYSTEM THAT IS MODELED AFTER 1 43, POTENTIALLY BY CHARTER, THEY WILL HAVE AN ARBITRATION, UM, PROCESS.
THE, THE, THE MODEL THAT IS SET UP BY 1 43 INVOLVES AN INDEPENDENT HEARING EXAMINER.
THAT'S THE TERM OF ART THAT'S USED IN 1 43.
AND THAT IS WHAT, UM, MOST CITIES USE FOR PURPOSES OF APPEALS OF DISCIPLINE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND I, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF CASES THAT GO TO ARBITRATION, THE ONES THAT WE'VE, WITH THE, UH, UM, WHAT WE'VE TAKEN, WHAT WE'VE FOUGHT FOR, WHAT OUR SUCCESS RATE IS, WHAT IS OUR SUCCESS RATE IN ARBITRATION CON, WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WHAT OUR SUCCESS RATE IS.
UM, AND THEN I, I JUST HAVE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IF WE, IF WE HAVE AN ARBITRATION CASE AND WE LOSE THAT, THAT'S THE PROCESS.
AND EITHER WE DIDN'T MAKE A STRONG ENOUGH CASE AND THE INDIVIDUAL HAD A STRONGER CASE, OR, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, A DIFFERENT WAY THAT WE CAN DECIDE THESE OTHER THAN WHAT OUR PROCESS IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH I THINK IS A STRONG PROCESS.
SO A ULTIMATE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I THINK, SHARED WITH COUNCIL BEFORE SOME VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAN, EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD ON THE ARBITRATION PROCESS.
AND SO, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN, BUT WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD IN TERMS OF ARBITRATION.
BUT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH A NEGOTIATIONS THROUGH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT HERE.
UM, IN ONE OF THE EARLIER ITEMS I REQUESTED, UH, UM, A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROCESS FOR HOW COMPLAINTS ARE ARE PROCESSED.
UH, WHAT, AND WE HAD THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE IN THE FLOW CHARTS THAT WERE PRESENTED IS WHERE THE COMPLAINANT, UH, PLAYS A ROLE IN THAT PROCESS.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, UM, AT WHAT POINT DO WE CONTACT THEM TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING? BY WHAT TIME CAN THEY EXPECT A RESULT? UH, DO THEY GET TO ATTEND CERTAIN THINGS? DO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, LIKE THE OFFICER DOES NEAR THE END TO BRING, UM, EXCULPATORY OR MITIGATING FACTS? DO THEY HAVE THAT OTHER OPPORTUNITY? SO I, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION, AND I KNOW THIS WAS FOCUSED ON THE REVIEW BOARD, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THE PERSON WHO'S BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND ENSURING THAT THIS PROCESS WORKS FOR THEM TOO.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A THIRD PARTY IN THIS.
WE'VE GOT THE OFFICER, THE CITY, THE CARBS, SO MAYBE THEY'RE A FOURTH PARTY, BUT I, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO FORGET ABOUT THAT INDIVIDUAL CHIEF.
YOU MENTIONED THE FEELINGS OF THE PERSON WHOSE TIRES JUST GOT SLASHED, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THAT, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A COMPLAINANT AS WELL.
UM, I WANTED TO ASK, UH, OVER TIME, IT LOOKS LIKE, OR YOU'VE TOLD US THAT THE NUMBER OF CIVILIAN POSITIONS HAVE INCREASED FROM, UH, TWO TO SEVEN.
HAS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE CARB REMAINED THE SAME? WELL, IT, IT, IT USED TO BE SEVEN POLICE OFFICERS STARTED OUT WITH SEVEN POLICE TWO COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THEN WE WERE ABLE TO CHANGE IT IN THE TWO SUBSEQUENT CONTRACT CONTRACTS TO EQUAL A NUMBER OF, OH.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE SEVEN.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF, THEY ALL TURN OVER EVERY SIX MONTHS IS WHAT YOU INDICATED?
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JUST THE SWORN, WELL, THE, THE SWORN AND THEN THE, THE, THE SIX THAT ARE SITTING, THE SIX, OR I'M SORRY, THE SEVEN COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE SITTING, THEY'LL GO INTO THE BULLPEN AND THE OTHER MEMBERS WILL COME IN AND TAKE THEIR SIX MONTH TURN, AND THEN THEY'LL REPEAT THAT FOR A TWO YEAR TERM COUNCILWOMAN.UH, SO I'M SORRY, WHAT DOES SIX MONTHS HAVE TO DO WITH IT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO WE, WE RUN THEM FOR NOT, WE RUN THEM, WE, THEY SIT FOR SIX MONTHS MM-HMM.
AND IT'S TO PREVENT THE BURNOUT FACTOR.
AND THEN WHEN, WHEN THAT GROUP IS DONE, THE OTHER GROUP WILL COME BACK SIX MONTHS AT A TIME.
SO AT A GIVEN TIME, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HEARING A CASE ON THE CARB? IS IT 14 OR IS IT SEVEN? IT'S 14.
IT'S SEVEN CIVILIANS, COUNCILWOMAN.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS, WE HAVE 14 CIVILIANS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE CAR.
AND, UM, WHAT SORT OF COMPENSATION IS THERE FOR THE CIVILIANS OR THE SWORN OFFICERS? NONE TO VOLUNTEER.
UH, SO THE, SO THE OFFICERS, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERS, SO THIS ISN'T OT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? COULD BE IT.
IT COULD BE, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PAID, THEY'RE NOT COMPENSATED MONETARILY IN ANY WAY.
SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT COULD BE, I'M SORRY, TALKING ABOUT COMP TIME, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
YEAH, IT COULD BE, THEY COULD, THEY COULD GET COMP TIME.
IF, IF THEY'RE WORKING DOG WATCH AND THEY COME IN AND SPEND THE DAY, THEY COULD RECEIVE COMP TIME FOR THEIR TIME.
AND THEN, UM, CAN YOU REMIND ME, IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IS THERE A ROLE FOR THE UNION OR DOES THAT ONLY COME DURING ARBITRATION? WELL, THE U THE UNION CAN HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE IN THE, IN THE CAR HEARING.
THE OFFICER'S CHOICE COUNCILWOMAN.
AND, UM, AFTER THE CARB HAS HEARD A CASE, MAYBE THEY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, UH, I HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW WE COULD AVOID THESE SITUATIONS OR HOW IT MIGHT BE BETTER IF WE DID SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
CAN YOU TAKE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM OR, 'CAUSE IT'S CALLED, OR ADMINISTRATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM AS OPPOSED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE DISCIPLINE.
OCCASIONALLY THEY'LL RECOMMEND THAT, AND WE DO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, THE, THE MOST COMMON FORM OF RECOMMENDATION THAT'S NON-PUNITIVE IS TRAINING, ADDITIONAL TRAINING, BUT THAT'S FOR THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER.
I GUESS I'M ASKING ABOUT, UM, DO THEY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR GENERAL DEPARTMENT POLICY? SO SOMETIMES THEY MAY BASED ON, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UM, LIZ, ON SLIDE NUMBER FOUR OF THE COMPLAINT PROCESS, PUBLIC OR INTERNAL COMPLAINT.
SO THE LINE COMPLAINT, UM, DO WE, YOU SAID IT WAS 180 DAYS, EITHER WAY, FORMAL COMPLAINT OR LINE COMPLAINT THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACTION TAKEN? YES, MA'AM.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYTHING, UM, SO HAVE WE EVER MISSED THOSE 180 DAYS? WELL, IF YOU RECALL, UM, THE, FOR, FOR FOR THE FORMAL AND OR THE ALIGNED COMPLAINT, AND WHAT IS OUR STATS WITH THAT? SURE.
WELL, THE WAY IT COMES UP, COUNCILWOMAN, AND I'LL TELL YOU ONE OF THE MOST, UM, HIGH PROFILE WAYS THAT CAME UP, IF YOU RECALL THE, THE INCIDENT INVOLVING THE FECES SANDWICH, THE FIRST, UM, ARBITRATION THAT WENT, UM, ON THAT PARTICULAR OFFICER, UM, THE ARGUMENT THAT WAS MADE AT ARBITRATION WAS THAT THE CONDUCT OCCURRED, BUT IT HAD OCCURRED OUTSIDE THE 180 DAYS.
AND SO THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THE OFFICER HAD MADE THAT ARGUMENT THAT, UM, THE, THE DISCIPLINE WAS NOT TIMELY AND THE ARBITRATOR AGREED.
AND SO BECAUSE THE DIS THE INCIDENT WAS DETERMINED TO HAVE OCCURRED OUTSIDE THOSE 180 DAYS, THEN THE ARBITRATOR OVERTURNED THE CHIEF'S, UM, THE CHIEF'S
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DISCIPLINE, WHICH WAS THE INDEFINITE SUSPENSION.SO THOSE ARE WAYS IN WHICH IT COMES UP.
IF THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW, WHERE THOSE 180 DAYS HAVE BEEN IMPEDIMENTS WHERE WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU.
BUT THAT 180 DAYS CAME FROM THE, UH, ORIGINAL COMPLAINT.
IT DIDN'T STAY AT SOMEBODY COMPLAINED AND THEN INTERNAL AFFAIRS TOOK WAY TOO LONG TO INVESTIGATE IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, UM, SO MY OTHER QUESTION WITH THE LINE COMPLAINT, WHEN IT GOES TO A SUPERVISOR OR A CAPTAIN FOR REVIEW, IS THERE A TIMELINE WHICH THEY SELF-IMPOSED IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THE, THE REVIEWS AT A SUPERVISOR OR CAPTAIN CHIEF? I DON'T HAVE THE PROVISION HERE IN FRONT OF ME.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, THE, THE, THE TIMELINE IS FOR A LINE COMPLAINT? I BELIEVE THEY HAVE, I BELIEVE THE SUPERVISOR HAS 21 DAYS TO FINALIZE A LINE COMPLAINT.
AND IF IT, IF IT'S NOT FINALIZED IN A HUNDRED, WITHIN 21 DAYS, IT GOES TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UM, SO IT JUST DOESN'T SIT THERE IF SOMEBODY, UH, IF, UM, SOMEBODY HAS AN ISSUE AND THE SUPERVISOR OR THE CAPTAIN SHOULD NOT JUST BE SITTING ON IT.
DO WE HAVE ANY DATA THAT, UM, SHOWS HOW MANY OF THOSE MAY BE, UH, PAST THE 21 DAYS AND HAD TO GO TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS? DON'T HAVE IT WAS WHO? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM THAT DAY.
I, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THE, THOSE COMPLAINTS WILL GO TO INTERNAL INTERNAL AFFAIRS BECAUSE THE OFFICER DID NOT AGREE WITH THE DISCIPLINE THAT WAS IMPOSED.
THAT WAS TO BE IMPOSED BY THE, BY THE CAPTAIN.
SO THEY'LL GO INTERNAL AFFAIRS IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR, THOSE PARTICULAR TYPES OF CASES.
BUT, UM, BUT NORMALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SUPERVISOR OR THE CAPTAIN HAVE REVIEWED THESE LINE COMPLAINTS? YES.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT DATA STILL FROM HOW MANY HAVE REJECTED THE OFFICER'S DISCIP OR THE CAPTAIN OR SUPERVISOR DIS DISCIPLINE AND REFERRED IT TO IA, IF I CAN GET THAT, UM, INFO.
UM, SO A QUESTION ABOUT THE CAR, THE, THE MAKEUP OF THE, THE COMPLAINT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD.
SO, AND I KNOW, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS AS WELL, BUT WHERE CAN WE FIND THE NAMES OF THE INDIVIDUALS? CAN WE SEE THE NAMES OF THE INDIVIDUALS? BECAUSE WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? IT'S NOT ON THE CITY CLERK'S WEBSITE.
WE HAVE A BACKUP SLIDE, UH, LAUREN, IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP ON, WELL, OH,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU SAID THIS AS PART OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT WE REQUESTED, UM, AS WITH THE BACKUP SLIDES, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, UM, AND I SAW THE, I SAW THE, THE PIE CHART THAT YOU BROKEN OUT TO, BUT WHERE CAN THE PUBLIC SEE THIS? THE PUBLIC, LET ME FIND IT.
IT SHOULD BE TECHNICALLY IN THE CITY CLERK'S WEBSITE WHERE THE OTHER BOARDS AND CONDITIONS, BUT IF NOT, I'LL FIND OUT WHY NOT, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD RECITE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING OUT NOTICES TO, UH, SIT IN THESE SEATS OR TO APPLY TO SERVE FEAR CIVILIAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE CITY CLERK'S WEBSITE, SO IF WE CAN GET THAT, UH, RECTIFIED, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN
UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES.
THEY HAVE ASKED THE MAJORITY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, I HAD, UM, IN MIND, ESPECIALLY COUNCILMAN
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID NOT SEE, UM, IN RELATION TO HOW MANY OF THE CARB, UM, REPORTS, UM, AND HOW THEY RELATE TO THE ARBITRATION PROCESS, UM, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT SEE AS WELL, UM, TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT DO THESE REPORTS,
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UM, AND HOW DO THEY CARRY WEIGHT WHEN THEY GO THROUGH ARBITRATION, OR DO THEY CARRY NO WEIGHT AT ALL.UM, AND HOW THIS RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ARBITRATION.
IF SOMEONE CAN, UM, TRULY BREAK THAT DOWN SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME, UM, AND DOING THIS REPORT IS NOT JUST PUSHED TO THE SIDE, UM, ARE NOT LOOKED AT WHEN IT GOES THROUGH THE ARBITRATION PROCESS.
SO IF SOMEONE CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THIS ONE
SORRY, I AM MUTED ONE BUTTON, BUT NOT THE OTHER.
CHIEF, UH, COUNCILWOMAN THE ARBITRATION, UH, PROCESS IN TERMS OF THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE, UM, YOU'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE, UH, PURVIEW THAT THE ARBITRATOR IS GIVEN, RIGHT? SO THE, THE ABILITY FOR AN ARBITRATOR TO LOOK AT A CASE, UM, INCLUDES REVIEW OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE FILE.
ULTIMATELY, UM, IT'S LIKE A, A WHOLE NEW REVIEW BY THE ARBITRATOR.
UM, WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE MORE LIMITED, UM, HOWEVER, IT IS UP TO THE ARBITRATOR TO WEIGH, UM, WHAT THAT EVIDENCE LOOKS LIKE.
AND SO HOW THEY COMPARE THE CARB, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE ULTIMATE DISCIPLINE THAT'S IMPOSED BY THE CHIEF, UM, IS GOING TO DEPEND ON THE ARBITRATOR, BUT THEY DO GET A WHOLESALE REVIEW, UM, OF THE ENTIRE, UH, FILE.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY THE CITY HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO ESTABLISH THAT.
BUT, UM, THE, THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE ARBITRATOR REVIEWS IS VERY BROAD.
AND, UM, I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DATA AS WELL.
UM, SOMETHING ABOUT THAT ARBITRATION AND HOW WE'RE USING OUR CARB AND, AND THAT PROCESS IS STILL, UM, CONCERNING TO ME, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE HAD SO MANY OFFICERS BROUGHT BACK THROUGH ARBITRATION, AND IF THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE CARB IN THIS PROCESS, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE, UM, DEFEATING, UM, REALLY LISTENING TO HOW THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE AND HOW IT SHAPES UP.
UM, BUT THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
I THANK YOU COUNCILMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
IF, IF I MAY, IF I MAY, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION FLOATING AROUND, UM, ON THE NUMBER OF ARBITRATIONS THAT WE'VE WON AND LOST.
WE WILL SEND THE COMMITTEE A A FACT SHEET, UH, WITH THE TRUE NUMBERS ON THEM SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL KNOW, UM, EXACTLY WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
BUT THERE, THERE, I THINK THERE'S BEEN AN EXAGGERATION OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE LOST IN ARBITRATION.
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UH, FIVE AND SIX.MARIA, YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT THOSE TOGETHER, CORRECT? UH, YES.
MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO DO THEM TOGETHER.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE COMMITTEE COMMENT ON BOTH ITEMS. OKAY.
I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA DO THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM, COMPREHENSIVE SELECTIVE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM.
SO, UM, THE PURPOSE FOR THIS GRANT IS TO HELP US COMBAT D W I, SPEEDING, DISTRACTED DRIVING ALL TYPES OF TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS ON THE ROAD.
AND WE WANT TO COMBINE, UH, WHAT WE DO WITH AN, AN ENFORCEMENT WITH EDUCATION AND OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST A PUNITIVE PROGRAM WHERE WE'RE TICKETING PEOPLE.
UH, WE'VE HAD THIS PROGRAM FOR OVER 20 YEARS, UH, AND EACH YEAR WE, UH, WE ISSUE QUITE A FEW CITATIONS AND, AND, UH, MAKE QUITE A FEW, UH, CONTACTS, UH, IN EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON, ON, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO MAKE IT SAFER ON THE HIGHWAYS.
SO YOU SEE HERE THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS, THE NUMBER OF WARNINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, UM, IN 2019.
UH, WE HAD, UH, 177 D W I ARRESTS, AND, UM, OUR HIGHEST, UH, VIOLATION
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IS SPEEDING.NEXT HIGHEST, AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, IS, UH, MIGHT IMAGINE IS TEXTING.
UH, AGAIN, STEP IS NOT JUST AN ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM.
UH, WE, WE DO EDUCATION AND OUTREACH ACROSS THE CITY, AND THIS SLIDE SHOWS SOME OF THE METRICS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OUTREACH.
THE GRANT AWARD PERIOD, IT STARTS OCTOBER ONE, UH, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF NEXT YEAR.
UH, AS YOU SEE GRANT FUNDS, IT'S FOR, UH, $900,000 CASH MATCH 265, AND AN IN-KIND MATCH OF, UH, 77,500.
UM, EXCEPT TO THE GRANTS OF THE GRANT AWARD IS SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL, UH, HOPEFULLY APPROVAL DURING THE OCTOBER ONE, UH, A SESSION.
AND MOVING INTO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
MOVING INTO THE T GRANT, TICKETING AGGRESSIVE CARS AND TRUCKS.
UH, ANOTHER ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION, UH, PROGRAM, UH, IS TO BUILD AWARENESS AND EDUCATE THE PASSENGER AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, UH, COMMERCIAL DRIVERS ON SAFE DRIVING BEHAVIORS, UM, COMMUNICATION ENFORCEMENT, AND THEN EVALUATION OF THE PROGRAM, UH, ARE THE KEY COMPONENTS OF IT.
THE, THE ENFORCEMENT AREAS ARE DATA-DRIVEN AND THEY COMBINE, UM, UM, WHEN I SAY DATA-DRIVEN, IT MEANS THAT TXDOT WILL LOOK AT THE AREAS OF THE CITY WITH, UM, THE HIGHEST CRASH RATE, AND THEN THEY ASK US TO OVERLAY THAT ON CRIME DATA TO DETERMINE THE AREAS THAT, THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE, UH, CENTERED AROUND.
2015 RESULTS OF THE PROGRAM, UH, YOU SEE THERE, UH, ALMOST 3000 SPEEDING CITATIONS.
UH, AGGRESSIVE DRIVING IS NEXT IN LINE, FAILURE TO SIGNAL FOLLOWING TOO CLOSELY, AND THAT UNSAFE LANE CHANGE, UH, BRINGS UP THE REAR.
AND FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE INSPECTIONS, 837, WE PUT 230 VEHICLES OUTTA SERVICE AS A RESULT OF THOSE INSPECTIONS.
THE GRAND PERIOD BEGINS SEPTEMBER.
UH, THE GRAND AMOUNT IS FOR 600,000, UM, 88,000 IN, UH, IN KIND MATCH.
AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF THIS GRANT, UH, AS WELL IS, UH, HOPEFULLY WILL BE APPROVED IN THE OCTOBER ONE, A SECTION, A SESSION.
AND THAT'LL BE IT FOR MY PRESENTATION.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GO TO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BY THE WAY, YOU CAN JUST PASS.
COUNCILWOMAN ARAN, UM, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I MOTION TO APPROVE TO MOVE THIS TO OCTOBER ONE, A SESSION.
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
AND COUNCILMAN PERRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, AND I SECOND THAT.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THANK YOU TO MARIA AND CHIEF AND, AND MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, I JUST AGAIN, WANNA, YOU KNOW, THANK EVERYBODY FOR ALL THE WORK THAT, THAT WE'VE DONE COLLECTIVELY AND ALL THE WORK THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS PUT IN TO MAKE THESE CHANGES TODAY.
AND, UM, REALLY THANK YOU BECAUSE THIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AT A, AT A CRUCIAL TIME IN OUR HISTORY.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND EVERYONE HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.
COUNCILMAN, JUST VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK PUBLICLY AND LISA GOVI, OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN OUR FIRST, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
LIZ PREVENTS YOU FOR PROVIDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MYSELF SUPPORT AS WE, UH, MAKE CHANGES TO THE POLICIES THAT, THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY.
ANDY AND LIZ, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO FOR US.
WELL, EVERYBODY HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.