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IS CHAIRMAN FETZER.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2020.
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UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES.[Chairman’s Statement]
THANK YOU.CAN GET THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM.
THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH.
THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH.
FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES.
THE INTERPRETERS WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL CASES ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
UM, BEFORE WE DO START, WE HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THIS FRIDAY IS OUR HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR, OUR ANNUAL EVENT.
UM, THIS YEAR WE WILL BE COMPLETELY VIRTUAL WITH AN ONLINE EXHIBIT HALL WHERE YOU CAN FIND DOZENS OF LOCAL VENDORS TO HELP YOU THROUGH YOUR NEXT HOME IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
UM, IT'S FREE, UM, BUT THE REGISTRATION GETS YOU AN EMAIL LINK SO IT'S EASY TO FIND ALL OF OUR MOST POPULAR SESSIONS.
UM, IF YOU SIGN UP FAST, YOU ALSO ARE ELIGIBLE TO SNAG A FREE, FREE GIVEAWAY FROM PARKS AND RECREATION.
THE FREE, FREE GIVEAWAY IS THIS SATURDAY, AND YOU'LL GET ALL THOSE DETAILS.
UM, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE FIRST LUCKY PEOPLE TO REGISTER, UM, SO VISIT THE REHABBER CLUB WEBSITE@SAREHABBERCLUB.COM OR THE CITY'S OFFICE OF A STORE PRESERVATION WEBSITE, SA PRESERVATION.COM OR OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
UM, IF YOU JUST HAPPEN TO STUMBLE ONTO FACEBOOK AND YOU FOLLOW US ON SATURDAY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CATCH ALL OF THE LIVE STREAMING SESSIONS THAT DAY.
UM, SO BE, UH, SURE TO CHECK IT OUT.
UM, LAUREN, GO AHEAD AND PULL UP OUR CASE LIST PLEASE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE SHARING THAT SCREEN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE 27 ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
13 OF THOSE ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT WE DO HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT SEVEN ITEMS ON TODAY'S INDIVIDUAL AGENDA.
THE NEXT NEXT HEARING, ITEM 17, HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS ITEMS 18 20 21.
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ITEMS 22 AND 23 ALSO WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.UM, IF YOU PROVIDED COMMENTS FOR ANY CASE THAT'S BEEN POSTPONED, YOUR COMMENTS WILL FOLLOW THAT CASE FOR THE NEXT HEARING.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE OR REPLACE YOUR COMMENTS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AS WELL.
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TO THE CONSENT AGENDA FIRST, AND WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED FOR THOSE, AND I WILL READ THOSE AT THIS TIME.UM, ITEM NUMBER 1 6 1 8 MUNCIE, UM, SUBMITTED BY SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, ALSO FOR, FOR ITEM ONE, MONICA SABINO SUBMITS, I SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUPPORT THE EFFORTS TOWARDS GREATER SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, AND THE AVIS HOLLAND FOR THE DEITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, HAS REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY MICHAEL, UM, FREEDOM SOLAR POWER FOR THE SOLAR PANEL INSTALLATION.
UPON REVIEW, THE H PART DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT HAS PRESENTED H PART SUPPORTS AS STAFF NOTES.
PANELS SHOULD BE LOCATED ON THE SIDES OR REAR ROOF LINES OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON ANY ROOF LINE OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR ON GROUND MOUNTED ARRAY IN THE REAR YARD, OR A COMBINATION.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, NETWORK NODES AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS SUBMITTED THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF STREETLIGHT CELLULAR NODE PILOT PROGRAM BEING IMPLEMENTED BY PUBLIC CITY PUBLIC SERVICE AND IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE NODES VISUAL IMPACT.
ON REVIEW OF THE 13 POLLS PRESENTED IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
WE ARE GLAD TO SEE THAT NONE OF THE POLLS ARE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
VISUAL IMPACT OF HISTORIC ASSETS, ASSETS MUST NOT BE LESSENED BY MORE CLUTTER IN THE STREETSCAPE.
WHILE THESE POLES ARE NOT LOCATED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THEY ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO LANDMARKS.
THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO POLE DESIGNS THAT WE HAVE SEEN.
THESE NEW DESIGNS WILL MAKE, UH, FOR LESS CONSISTENCY IN THE STREET SCAPE.
IT'S RADICALLY PLACED AMONG EXISTING POLES.
THE POLE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT AND IN CONTEXT WITH THE SURROUNDINGS.
THE PHOTOGRAPHIC RENDERING SHOWS VARYING AMOUNTS OF EQUIPMENT ON EACH POLE, ADDING TO THE INCONSISTENCY, THE POLES CARRYING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF CELLULAR EQUIPMENT LOOK MORE LIKE A CELLULAR UTILITY POLE WITH AN INCIDENTAL STREETLIGHT INSTEAD OF A WELL-DESIGNED STREETLIGHT WITH INCIDENTAL CELLULAR EQUIPMENT ATTACHED.
WE UNDERSTAND THE LAW THAT ALLOWS THE USE OF STUDIO RIGHT OF WAY FOR CELLULAR EQUIPMENT, BUT FIND THAT EQUIPMENT MOUNTED ON DOWNTOWN BUILDING ROOFTOPS IS LESS OBTRUSIVE.
THE STREETLIGHT CELLULAR NODES BRING THE ANTENNA CLUTTER DOWN TO THE VISUAL RANGE, WHICH WE ALL TRAVERSE.
UM, FOR ITEM SEVEN, WE HAVE TWO COMMENTS.
THE FIRST IS FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL MIRRORS, UM, WHICH SUPPORTS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR FENCE WITH A HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET.
UM, ARVIS HOLLAND FOR THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION SUBMITS THAT THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY TOM MARINO FOR A FRONT OR FENCE.
AND UPON REVIEW, THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 12, UM, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM PAUL KINISON, UM, CHAIR OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, THE COMMITTEE PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS FOR H C R C CONSIDERATION.
IN OUR OPINION, THERE IS A SETBACK ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE RESOLVED PRIOR TO THE OWNER RECEIVING A C O A.
THE DRAWINGS INDICATE A SETBACK OF EIGHT FEET BETWEEN THE EXISTING GARAGE AND THE USED PROPERTY LINE.
AS WE UNDERSTAND, THE U D C REQUIRES A FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
THE APPLICANT'S DRAWING INDICATES A NEW STAIR, STAIR LANDING AND ENCLOSED ROOM FOR ACCESS TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
THESE ELEMENTS WOULD EXTEND INTO THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK BY ONE FOOT 11 INCHES.
WITH THE ROOF OVERHANG WOULD EXTEND OVER THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK LINE EVEN MORE.
AS WE UNDERSTAND, THE SETBACKS SHOULD BE OPEN GROUND TO SKY.
EACH SETBACK ISSUES SHOULD REQUIRE EITHER A VARIANCE OR REVISION TO THE DESIGN.
THEREFORE, WE RECOMMEND EITHER A DENIAL OR POSTPONE IT UNTIL THIS ISSUES ARE RESOLVED.
UM, TWO, RECOMMEND THAT WINDOWS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF SECOND FLOOR EDITION BE REDESIGNED WITH MORE WINDOWS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
THREE REQUESTS THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOORS BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW.
FOUR, RECOMMEND THE HORIZONTAL CONNECTION BETWEEN THE EXISTING ROOF LINE AND NEW SECOND FLOOR EDITION BE A STRONGER LINE.
AND FIVE, A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO THE OPEN EXTERIOR STAIR.
STEP BACK ISSUE WOULD BE TO PLACE THE STAIRS TO THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, THAT THEY OCCUR WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING GARAGE.
SO COMMISSIONERS, THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS WE HAVE FOR CONSENT ITEMS. UM, DO WE WISH TO PULL ANY OF THOSE FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION? UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN AND I SECOND A, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE UNMUTE.
UM, AGAIN, ITEM 14 HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
[15. 20-5471 Address/Description: 618 BROADWAY HDRC Case No.: 2020-389 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Jonathan Card/CARD AND COMPANY Architects pllc Request: Rehabilitation, exterior alterations, window and storefront replacement, construction of a rooftop addition, signage City Council Dist.: 1]
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 15, 6 1 8 BROADWAY.[00:10:01]
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE EDWARD.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 89 6 18 BROADWAY.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK, INCLUDING PAR, PAR CAP REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR, STUCCO REPAIR, T P O, ROOF REPLACEMENT, WOOD WINDOW REPAIR, AND REMOVE PAINT FROM THE EXISTING CONCRETE COLUMNS AND BEAM TO INSTALL A NEW STEEL CANOPY ON THE WEST SIDE.
INSTALL A NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM ON THE WEST SIDE AND MODIFY THE EXISTING KNEE WALL HEIGHT.
INSTALL NEW ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD STOREFRONT WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE.
FIVE, REMOVE ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS, GARAGE DOORS AND SEE NEW INFILL ON THE EAST SIDE.
FIX INSTALL ROOFING OVER THE EXISTING SKYLIGHT OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
INSTALL AN ALUMINUM STOREFRONT SYSTEM OVER THE EXISTING STEEL OVER THE EXISTING STEEL WINDOWS.
EIGHT CONSTRUCT A ROOF TOP ELE CONSTRUCT, A ROOFTOP ELEVATION AND CLEAR STORY ADDITION.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF SIGNAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT ALL WORK BE DONE IN KIND WITH LIKE MATERIALS.
TWO, THAT A CANOPY DETAIL BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND THREE, THAT THE RECESS ENTRY BE ELIMINATED FROM THE NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR EAST FACADE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL WOOD WINDOWS BE REPAIRED AND REINSTALLED STAFF FINDS A REPLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE DOORS TO BE APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THE OPENING SHOULD REMAIN AS THEY EXIST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS SIX THROUGH A, THAT SUBMITTED STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER NINE, SIGNAGE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT FINAL SIGNAGE DOCUMENTS RETURN TO THE COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
I HAVE THE APPLICANT JONATHAN CARD ON THE LINE AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THIS IS YOUR TIME.
UM, SHOULD I ADDRESS BOTH OF 'EM IN KIND? THERE'S, I WANTED TO, UH, COMMENT ON NUMBER THREE, UH, 0.2, AND THEN ALSO ON NUMBER FIVE.
SHOULD WE ADDRESS THE FIRST ONE AND THEN THE SECOND ONE? THAT'S FINE.
UH, REGARDING COMMENT NUMBER THREE, INSTALL NEW STOREFRONT WITH THE SUB COMMENT ABOUT, UM, EXCUSE ME.
IT WOULD BE NUMBER THREE, THE RECESSED ENTRY.
UM, WE HAVE TWO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UH, ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN BRING THOSE UP.
THE PHOTOGRAPHS WE HAVE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON, UH, PLAN, RIGHT OF THAT ELEVATION, WHICH WOULD BE THE SOUTH, UH, PART OF THE WEST ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE A, A DOOR, UM, THAT FACES BROADWAY.
AND AT ONE POINT, IF YOU GO INSIDE THAT DOOR, YOU CAN TELL THAT THAT ACTUALLY USED TO BE A RECESS VESTIBULE.
SO A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRECEDENT FOR A RECESSED, UM, UH, RECESSED ENTRY.
UM, THE OTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THIS IS A ZERO LOT LINE ON, UH, THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE WEST ELEVATION.
AND SO WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH CODE COMPLIANCE OF DESIGNING A DOOR THAT SWINGS INTO AND DIMINISHES THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE RECESSED ENTRY.
WE DO HAVE PROTECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CANOPY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL, BUT, UM, WE HAVE CONCERNS.
WE HAVE A PRECEDENT A AND THEN B.
UM, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOOR SWINGING, UM, REGARDING CODE COMPLIANCE INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE RECESS ENTRY, WHICH YOU CAN BARELY SEE ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND SCROLLING DOWN A COUPLE OF PAGES TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WE CAN SEE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LIKE, THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LAG IN THE, UH, SLIDE SHOW AND THE AUDIO FEED.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SHOW THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING WEST ELEVATION? UH, YES.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE LAG HERE.
YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 15 SECONDS, SO.
JUST, JUST CONTINUE AND WE WILL, WE'LL SEE.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN, UM, IS, UH, THERE WE GO.
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SO YOU CAN SEE THE DOOR ON THE RIGHT.UM, THAT WAS A RECESS ENTRY THAT WHEN THEY REPLACED IT WITH THE STOREFRONT, UM, THEY CLOSED IT IN.
UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING MIMICKING THAT CONDITION ON THE NORTH SIDE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THAT CONCERN ABOUT THE DOOR SWINGING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT TO THE SOUTH OF THE, OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
ONE OF THEM HAS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP TO CODE AND A D A COMPLIANCE.
WE ALREADY HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.
WE HAD TO RECESS THE ENTRY ON, UM, ONE OF THE 500 SERIES BUILDINGS AND THEN THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR WHERE, UH, THE OWNERS IN THE PROCESS ARE RECESSING THE ENTRY THERE FOR THE SAME REASON.
SO THAT'S OUR CONCERNS ON NUMBER THREE.
QUESTION, CORY, BEFORE WE GET INTO, UH, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD ON THIS? WE DO NOT.
UM, THEN THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EXISTING RECESS VERSUS THE PROPOSED RECESS.
IS THE DEPTH THE SAME? ARE YOU PROPOSING THE SAME DEPTH RECESS ON THE NORTH ENTRY AS OPPOSED TO THE EXISTING ONE ON THE SOUTH? NO, AT THE MOMENT, YOU KNOW.
UH, THE, UH, PREVIOUS, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, SITUATION, THERE WASN'T A REAL CORRESPONDENCE TO ANY OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
THAT JUST WAS AN OPENING THAT WAS ABOUT THREE FEET WIDE.
AND, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT NARROWER THAN WHAT WE CAN DO TO MEET A D A COMPLIANCE.
AND SO, UM, WE ENDED UP DIVIDING THE ELEVATION INTO FOUR EQUAL SPACES, AND WE TOOK ONE SPACE.
SO IT'S A TOUCH WIDER AT THE MOMENT, WE HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH A D A COMPLIANCE, SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOMEBODY IN THERE AND THEY HAVE A GENEROUS OPENING THAT THEY CAN NAVIGATE THAT DOOR NOW THAT IT'S BEEN PUT INTO AN ALCO.
SO IT'S A TOUCH DEEPER, UM, FOR THAT REASON.
BUT I SUPPOSE IF, IF THAT WAS A CONCERN, UM, OR, UH, IS WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THAT TO BE SATISFACTORY, I SUPPOSE WE COULD SHALLOW IT UP SOME.
IT JUST MEANS THAT THE ADA A TURNING RADIUS WOULD PROBABLY, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 42 INCHES, I WOULD GUESS.
I HAVEN'T VERIFIED IT, BUT IT PROBABLY 36 TO 42 INCHES.
SO PART OF OUR A D A TURNING RADIUS WOULD NOW BE OUT INTO THE SIDEWALK.
AND, UH, WE DON'T NOT GONNA HAVE ANY CONTROL AND THAT SIDEWALK'S REBUILT WITH THE BROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
WE WON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER SLOPE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF ON THE SIDEWALK.
SO THE S FUEL'S A TOUCH BIGGER FOR, TO MEET MODERN COATS.
SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THE MOMENT, IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS, UM, NUMBER FIVE.
UM, SO THE WAY IT'S WORDED THERE, REMOVE ALL EXISTING WOODS, WINDOWS, GARAGE DOORS, AND C M U ON THE EAST FACADE.
SO ARE, ARE YOU ABLE TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE CLOSER ON THAT, JUST THAT PHOTOGRAPH, THAT'S THE EXISTING EAST ELEVATION? I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS ELEVATION.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN KIND OF BEAT UP OVER TIME.
THIS BUILDING, BASICALLY IN PARTICULARLY THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, HASN'T BEEN OCCUPIED IN DECADES.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN, UH, LOTS OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND SO ON THE UPPER BAND OF WINDOWS WHERE IT USED TO ALL BE SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS, UM, AT SOME POINT, WHO KNOWS WHEN THEY CAME IN AND THEY ADDED THESE KIND OF ODD, UH, FRENCH DOORS FOR SOME REASON.
I DON'T KNOW WHY OR UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS.
UM, THE QUESTION OR THE DENIAL COMMENT WAS ASKING US TO, TO REPAIR THESE WINDOWS.
AND YOU GUYS KNOW HOW THESE WINDOWS WORK IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PAINTED OR MAINTAINED.
UM, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN ON THAT, UH, LAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE FRONT, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW ON MY SCREEN, BUT THAT, THAT'S REPAIRABLE.
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE BACK ELEVATION, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT OF THAT PAGE, UM, SILLS ARE COMPLETELY ROTTED.
UM, AS YOU TRY TO LIFT SASHES, THEY FALL APART.
SO I, I BELIEVE REPAIR IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT IF WE NEED TO, BUT I, I BELIEVE REPAIR IS, IS, UH, COSTLY AND PROBABLY NOT ADVISORY, UM, UH, AND NOT ADVISABLE.
UM, ON THE LOWER FLOOR OF THAT, YOU SEE WHERE THERE USED TO BE SOME GARAGE BASE WITH SOME HIGH WINDOWS ABOVE THOSE.
AND IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE, PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE BAYS, YOU'LL SEE THAT PARALLEL LINES DON'T APPEAR TO BE PARALLEL TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT BLUE WOODEN BEAM IS FAILING KIND OF IN TWO DIRECTIONS.
IT'S SAGGING AND IT'S ACTUALLY FOR SOME REASON CURVING BACKWARDS.
IT'S ABOUT A 22 FOOT SPAN, UM, WITH A GANG DEPTH, TWO BY SIXES.
UM, SO, UH, THAT ENTIRE CONDITION NEEDS TO, UH, NEEDS TO BE REPLACED RATHER THAN REPAIRED AND PLACED, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURAL CONDITION OF THE BEAM,
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UM, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS, UM, ARE IN BAD SHAPE AS WELL.AND THEN THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THAT ELEVATION IS ON EITHER SIDE OF THOSE GARAGE DOORS, YOU CAN SEE PRETTY CLEARLY, AND IT'S ALL PAINTED.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CONCRETE COLUMNS COME THROUGH.
AND THEN ON THE LITTLE WINGS TO MEET THE, UM, STANDARD WIDTH OF A GARAGE DOOR, YOU KNOW, 16 FEET OR 18 FEET, WHATEVER THAT ABOUT 18 FEET, I THINK WHAT THAT GARAGE DOOR IS ON EITHER SIDE OF THOSE COLUMNS.
ON BOTH BAYS, THERE'S JUST SOME C M U INFILL, WHICH, UM, IS PRETTY CLEARLY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND THE C M U AND ALL OF THAT, WE'RE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH CODE COMPLIANCE ON THIS BUILDING AS WELL.
SO WE ARE SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AND ENERGY TO, UH, BRING THE BUILDING UP ENERGY CODE WISE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A CLASS A OFFICE EXPERIENCE IN THIS BURGEONING BAR, UH, BROADWAY CORRIDOR.
SO MODERN AND, UH, COMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.
AND NEW WINDOWS WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARD THAT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ISSUES WITH WATERPROOFING.
THE WAY THAT THE MASONRY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS BUILDING IS KIND OF A HYBRID OF STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS. SO IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE JUST STARTING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE CONCRETE FRAMES.
SO THERE'S WATER THAT COMES IN AROUND THE MASONRY ON THAT SECOND FLOOR INFILL.
UM, THERE'S NON HISTORIC OR NON-CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS LIKE THE, UH, SORRY, IT'S A NON HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT IT STILL HAS REQUIREMENTS THAT OVERLAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN.
BUT THIS IS ALSO A NON-CONTRIBUTING ELEVATION.
UM, THERE'S A PORTION THAT'S JUST OFF THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE THERE WHERE WE ACTUALLY TOUCH THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THE ALLEY.
BUT ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY, WE TOUCH OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST PROPERTY.
AND ON THE NORTH SIDE WE TOUCH OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
SO YOU CAN'T VIEW THE PROPERTY, UH, YOU CAN'T SEE THIS ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN OTHER BUILDINGS.
AND SO THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION, BUT IT'S, UM, THE LEAST VISIBLE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S JUST THE OVERALL COST OF THE PROJECT TO BRING THIS BUILDING BACK ONLINE, WE'RE HAVING TO ADD TWO STAIRS, UM, FROM THE BASEMENT TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
WE'RE HAVING TO COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCT THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED AND IT DOESN'T MEET CURRENT LOADS.
AND THEN WE'RE INSULATING THE ENTIRE ENVELOPE.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CHEAP.
IT'S JUST MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN RECONSTRUCTING ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND BEYOND THAT, IT'S GONNA JUST GIVE US SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER PERFORMANCE, THE ALUMINUM, UH, WINDOWS.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT WE ALSO ARE UP AGAINST A BUNCH OF OTHER CONSTRAINTS.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO TALK WITH THIS ONE ABOUT THIS ONE WITH YOU GUYS, HELP YOU UNDERSTAND.
UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TEAR OFF HISTORIC FABRIC IF WE DON'T NEED TO, BUT THERE'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF WORK IT'S GONNA TAKE TO PUT BACK SOMETHING THAT'S IN REALLY BAD SHAPE, UM, IN AN ELEVATION THAT REALLY IS, DOESN'T, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME RELIEF ON THAT TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT'S NICE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT REPLICATES WHAT MIGHT'VE BEEN THERE.
IT'S BEEN COMPROMISED SO MUCH WE THINK THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, WE HAD A, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS MARCH 26TH, 2019.
AND I THINK WE SPENT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT MEETING, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE CONDITION OF THE EAST ELEVATION, UH MM-HMM.
AND, UH, IF I RECALL, UH, THAT CONVERSATION, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE WAS IN THAT COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT I KNOW I WAS, UM, I, I REMEMBER THERE WAS A, A, A, A GENERAL SENSE THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD BE, WOULD CONSIDER THE REPLACEMENT AS, AS YOU'RE PROPOSING APPROPRIATE, SO LONG AS THE PROPORTIONS OF THE OPENINGS WERE, WERE RETAINED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU RECALL? UM, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING TO ME, THAT'S JONATHAN.
THAT IS WHAT I RECALL AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE SOME NOTES FROM THAT MEETING.
THE ONE THING THAT WAS REQUESTED OF US IS SEE IF WE COULD FIND ANY ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING FRONT OR BACK.
AND, UM, I DIDN'T SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME, I'LL ADMIT THAT I DID GO DOWN AND DOWN TO, UH, KING WILLIAM AND WE DUG AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND, AND FOUND, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME DISTANT VIEWS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT NOTHING THAT REALLY GAVE US ANY MORE INFORMATION, PARTICULARLY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T LEAVE THAT MEETING WITH ANY IMAGES 'CAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING THAT REALLY CONTRIBUTED OR ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I ATTENDED THAT MEETING AS WELL.
AND MY RECOLLECTION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN, UH, QUITE SOME TIME, UH, WAS, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER FISH HAD SAID.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK MY CONCERN WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION IS, UH, THERE IS A SORT OF ERODING AWAY OF SOME OF THE, UH, THE SCALE
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PROPORTION OF THE, UM, THE CHARACTER, WHAT, WHAT WAS, WHAT'S THERE.AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A RECONSTRUCTION, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE KIND OF GOING A LITTLE TOO FAR TOWARDS SKELETONIZING UH, DISSOLVING THAT REAR ELEVATION.
IT'S NOT AS, UH, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD JUST GO COMPLETELY CONTEMPORARY BACK THERE EITHER.
AND CHANCES ARE, THERE WERE PROBABLY SOME KIND OF CARRIAGE DOORS OR STACKING, UH, SLIDING ROLLING DOORS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY IN THAT BACK, UH, TWO BAYS THAT THEY THEN ALTERED TO, TO ACCOMMODATE.
YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, THE, THE MORE, UH, CONVENTIONAL OVERHEAD DOORS, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THERE, ORIGINAL OR SOME KIND OF CARRIAGE DOORS.
SO I, I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, THE SYSTEM OF GLAZING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, BECAUSE IT SEEMS PRETTY DELICATE COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND, AND THAT ALL IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I REMEMBER AS WELL, MR. CARPENTER.
THE, UM, I GUESS OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR IT IS THAT THE, THE BACK HAS BEEN ALTERED SO MUCH ALREADY THAT WHAT, WHAT DO WE REFER TO, OR WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE GO BACK TO REGARDING THE CARRIAGE DOORS? THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE THERE IS THAT THIS BUILDING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF, THREE TIMES LONGER THAN IT IS WIDE.
AND THEN BECAUSE IT'S THE ZERO LOT LINE ON WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE, THE ONLY REAL RELIEF WE HAVE FOR BRINGING ANY LIGHT INTO THE BUILDING ON THE GROUND FLOOR IS HERE ON THIS, UH, EAST ELEVATION.
AND SO WE'RE GOING FOR AS MUCH GLASS AS WE CAN GET OR THAT WE'D BE ALLOWED BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THAT LIGHT AS DEEP AS WE CAN INTO THOSE SPACES.
UM, AND YOU CAN, IF WE NEED TO, WE COULD PULL UP THE FLOOR PLANS, WHICH WERE SUBMITTED MAYBE AT THE END OF THE SLIDESHOW.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S OUR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE A REALLY OLD BUILDING AND MAKE IT SOMETHING MODERN THAT'S LEASEABLE AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WE ARE DEVIATING A BIT, UH, OBVIOUSLY FROM WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BUT, UM, GOING BACK AND TRYING TO GUESS ABOUT WHAT WAS BELOW THAT BEAM, UM, AND THEN RECONSTRUCT IT BASED ON THAT, UM, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT IT DIDN'T SERVE OUR, IT REALLY DOESN'T SERVE OUR NEEDS FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE LEASING.
UH, YOU KNOW, CREATING A CLASS, A OFFICE BUILDING IN MIDTOWN, UM, AND TRYING TO LEASE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH NATURAL LIGHT AND THAT WE'RE FIGHTING, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ADD BECAUSE WE'RE ON A ZERO LOT LINE.
WE CAN'T ADD ANY WINDOWS TO THE, TO THE SOUTH OR THE NORTH SIDE IN THE UPPER FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
WE'VE GOT CENTER CENTRAL SPACES IN THE, IN THE CENTER OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES ONE BUILDING THAT THE ONLY LIGHT THEY HAVE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WONDERFUL, BUT IT'S FROM THE LIGHT MONITOR THAT EXISTS, BUT THERE'S NO EXTERIOR LIGHT.
YOU CAN'T LOOK OUT OF THE SPACE, YOU'RE BRINGING LIGHT IN FROM ABOVE.
AND SO WE JUST NEED THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS SOLUTION HERE GIVES US REALLY NICE LIGHT AND, UM, VISIBILITY INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, INTO ABOUT A THIRD OF THE BUILDING THAT OTHERWISE WE WON'T HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE UPPER FLOOR, WE COULD LOOK AT PUTTING BACK IN SOME OTHER WINDOWS OR A DIFFERENT KIND OF WINDOW.
BUT THAT'S OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.
AND THEN ALSO JUST HONESTLY, IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY IN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT'S CHEAP, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S SIMPLE.
SO RATHER THAN RECONSTRUCTING SOMETHING OR GUESSING WHAT WAS THERE, WE JUST WERE TRYING TO PUSH 'EM UP FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST CLEAN.
AND, UH, AND IT'S GONNA ALSO FUNCTION.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET HERE, IS ENERGY EFFICIENT AND KEEP THE WATER OUT ON THIS EAST ELEVATION.
UM, I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS CARPENTER AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER FISH.
I THINK THERE'S A COMPLETE CHANGE, UH, IN THE EAST ELEVATION AND I'LL BE OPEN TO NEW WINDOW FENESTRATIONS, BUT I, AGAIN, I THINK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TOUCHED ON SOMETHING AND IS THAT WE'VE COMPLETELY LOST WHAT WAS THERE? THERE'S NO, LIKE HOW ARE WE RELATING WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY TO THE NEW DESIGN? I MEAN, I SEE A LITTLE BIT OF IT, BUT NOT MUCH.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LIGHT.
I MEAN, IT IS IN THE BACK, LIKE YOU SAID.
SO NORMALLY THESE WINDOWS, WE WOULD ASK FOR THEM TO BE REPAIRED AND RETAINED THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK THAT WE'RE AL ALREADY BEING A LITTLE BIT, UM, FLEXIBLE ON ACCEPTING A WHOLE REPLACEMENT, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK INTO HOW WE DESIGN THAT, UH, EAST ELEVATION MAYBE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS A D R C IS JUST, UH, I MEAN WE COULD CONCEPTUALLY, UH, PROVE SOMETHING THEN COME BACK WITH THE DESIGN OF THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE STOREFRONT DESIGN.
YEAH, WE, I I, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.
WE ACTUALLY ARE SUBMITTING FOR FINAL.
UM, AND SO IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING BACK TO THE, THE TWO ELEVATIONS, THE PROPOSED ELEVATION SIDE BY SIDE.
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A SOLUTION MIGHT BE TO, UM, TO DEAL WITH THE INEFFICIENCY OF, AND JUST THE, THE GENERAL, UH, DETERIORATION OF ALL OF THAT EXISTING, UH, WINDOWS AND, AND DOORS ON THE, UH, EAST ELEVATION.I WONDER IF I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF JUST PUTTING BACK SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT FILL THE FULL OPENING, UM, RATHER THAN KEEPING THE BRICK BELOW IT, MAYBE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND STILL GET RID OF THE BRICK SINCE IT TAKES ON WATER.
BUT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE EXISTING EAST ELEVATION, IF WE WERE TO FILL THE UPPER BAND ON THE SECOND FLOOR WITH SINGLE HEIGHT WINDOWS, SORRY, SINGLE HUNG, THE FULL HEIGHT WINDOWS WITH A SIMILAR RHYTHM TO WHAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE, SORRY, YEAH.
THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN WE COULD ALSO FOLLOW A SIMILAR KIND OF LOGIC DOWN BELOW.
WE COULD, UM, WE'RE HAVING TO RECONSTRUCT THOSE, UM, ON THE LEFT, ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
THOSE UPPER WINDOWS ABOVE THE CANOPY, THOSE WINDOWS ARE NEW BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN COVERED OVER, AND SO WE'RE REINTRODUCING THOSE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.
WE COULD USE THOSE EXACT SAME WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS VERY IN SIMILAR IN CHARACTER TO WHAT WAS ON THE EXISTING EAST ELEVATION.
AND THEN ON THE LOWER PORTION OF THE BUILDING, WE CAN BASICALLY, WE CAN BASICALLY MIMIC, UM, I WOULD PROPOSE IF Y'ALL WOULD FIND IT SATISFACTORY, KEEP THE, STRIP THE PAINT OFF OF THE CONCRETE FRAME, LEAVE THE CONCRETE FRAME, BUT THEN INFILL, UM, THE FIRST AND THE SECOND FLOOR WITH VERY SIMILAR TREATMENTS TO WHAT'S ON THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS PRETTY SIMILAR.
IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU MIGHT HYPOTHESIZE WAS THERE BEFORE.
MAYBE JUST, UH, MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO JUST, UH, PRESENT THE STAFF A DRAWING, FINAL DRAWING OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I THINK THAT'S HEADING MORE OF A DIRECTION THAT, UH, MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS MUCH SPECULATION.
WE HAVE THE WEST ELEVATION TO LOOK UPON AS, AS INSPIRATION FOR THAT SECOND STORY.
AND, UH, THEN THAT COULD BEGIN TO SET UP, UH, MAYBE A, A MORE APPROPRIATE RHYTHM FOR THE, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING BACK WITH LARGE GARAGE DOORS, BUT YOU'RE GOING BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT IS, IS BASED UPON THE RHYTHM AND SCALE OF THE BUILDING'S, UH, THE BUILDING'S SECOND FLOOR FENESTRATION.
SO I, I THINK I COULD GET BEHIND THAT, UH, AGREE, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO SEE AN UPDATED ELEVATION BEFORE WE GET A FINAL ON ON THIS.
I, I, I MEAN, I, I, I AGREE WITH ALL THAT.
SO I'D LIKE TO RESTATE WHAT I THINK I JUST HEARD YOU SAY, MR. CARPENTER, AND, AND ALSO ADD IN A COUPLE OF THINGS IN TERMS TERMS OF WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD STILL, UH, DEMOLISH ALL THE EXISTING BUILDING MATERIAL BECAUSE OF ITS BAD CONDITION ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CONCRETE FRAME, INCLUDING THE BRICKS THAT, THE COUPLE OF BRICKS THAT YOU SEE IN THE ELEVATION, UM, BELOW THE WINDOWS WE WOULD REPLACE THE UPPER FLOOR WITH FULL HEIGHT DOUBLE, UH, SORRY, FULL HEIGHT, SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
AND THEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR WE WOULD PUT IN A DIVIDED LIGHT.
AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE A KNEE WALL OR A LANES COAT SIMILAR TO WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
AND THEN LARGE PANES OF GLASS, UM, ABOVE THE KNEE WALL UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THOSE, UH, DIVIDED LIGHTS.
AND THEN WE'LL WORK IN A, OUR EXIT INTO THAT IN SOME WAY.
I, I THINK, UM, I THINK THE DESCRIPTION OF, OF WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD FIND APPROPRIATE ON THE EAST ELEVATION IS PRETTY CLEAR AND THAT IT'S GENERALLY REFLECTIVE OF THE STREET ELEVATION.
I WOULD BE, IF STAFF IS COMFORTABLE AND I'LL ASK CORY TO RESPOND, UH, FOR REVIEWING, FOR REVIEWING THAT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH AN APPROVAL AND NOT COME BACK, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT RATHER THAN HOLDING THIS UP AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UH, CORY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON A STAFF REVIEW FOR THAT? I MEAN, IF THERE WAS AGREEMENT THAT STAFF COULD APPROVE IT, UM, I WOULDN'T RETURN HERE.
THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION AS LONG AS THERE'S DETAILED AND MORE STIPULATIONS FOR US TO CONSIDER REVIEWED.
I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADD THAT, UM, OR ASK THAT, UM, THAT WE COULD AT THE SAME TIME SUBMIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSED CANOPY AND HOPEFULLY HAVE IT REVIEWED WITH THE SAME PROCESS, HAVE THAT ALL DONE AT ONE TIME.
WE'LL SUBMIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE CANOPY AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION, AND, UM, HOPEFULLY HAVE ENOUGH DEFINITION LEAVING THIS MEETING THAT STAFF COULD, UH, TAKE CARE OF BOTH OF THOSE AND NOT HAVE TO RETURN TO THE COMMISSION IF POSSIBLE.
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UM, I CAN SUPPORT THIS GENERALLY, UH, ONE THING I WOULD, UH, ASK, AND MAYBE THIS IS THROWING A MONKEY WRENCH IN IT, BUT ON THE EAST ELEVATION, THE, UH, MULTI LIGHT TRANSOMS THAT ARE ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR NOW ARE SHORTER THAN THE, UH, TRANSOMS ON THE WEST ELEVATION.SO, UM, I WOULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE, UH, MAKE SHORTER TRANSOMS ON THE EAST EAST ELEVATION TO MATCH THE HISTORIC, UH, CONDITION, UH, CONDITION.
AND, UM, I CAN GO EITHER WAY ON WHETHER A KNEE WALL IS NEEDED ON THE EAST ELEVATION SINCE, UM, THERE WERE PROBABLY DOORS HERE, UH, GARAGE DOORS OF SOME SORT CARRIAGE HOUSE DOORS, AND SO THE OPENINGS WOULD'VE GONE TO THE, TO THE, UH, GROUND.
SO THE, I'M AMBIVALENT ON THE, THE KNEE WALL ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
I TOO AM AMBI AMBIVALENT ABOUT THE KNEE WALL.
IT WOULD BE INTRODUCING A HISTORIC ELEMENT THAT ISN'T THERE IN ITS CURRENT SITUATION.
SO I, I WOULD JUST RATHER NOT NOT SEE IT.
I WOULD, UM, PART OF THE REASON I'M INTRODUCING THAT IS BASED ON FURTHER DISCOVERY, WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES BACK HERE WITH WATER IN THE NEW WALL WOULD ACTUALLY SERVE A FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE FOR US TO BASICALLY CREATE A CURB AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES, UH, BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND OUR NEIGHBORS THAT REALLY CAN'T BE SOLVED.
UH, WELL ARE CHALLENGING AND THE KNEE WALL HAS THE ABILITY TO BE, UH, AN ATTRACTIVE WAY OF BASICALLY BUILDING A CURB, UM, THAT CAN HELP US KEEP WATER OUT OF THAT GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S PART OF, WE WERE PREPARED, UH, OR ANTICIPATED THAT OUR DISCUSSION MIGHT GO THE WAY THAT IT HAS.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO INTRODUCE TO YOU ALL OR ASK FOR THAT IS 'CAUSE I THINK WE NEED IT FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT.
I CAN, UH, APPRECIATE THE, THE WATER ISSUES, BUT MAYBE IT'S, UH, A SHORTER CURB THERE THAT ALLOWS, UH, TO DEAL WITH THAT AND NOT THE, THE FULL HEIGHT IS THE KNEE WALL ON THE FRONT.
SO CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I'LL, UH, ATTEMPT A, A MOTION HERE IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I MOVE FOR, UH, APPROVALS OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO, AND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT RETURNED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A REVISED EAST ELEVATION BASED UPON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TODAY, WHERE THE SECOND STORY, UH, WINDOWS WOULD BE, UH, SINGLE HUNG INSPIRED BY THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
AND THE FIRST LEVEL WOULD, UH, BE LARGER WINDOWS WITH A SMALL PIPE B WALL TO ADDRESS WATER ISSUES AND THEIR RHYTHM AND SCALED INSPIRED BY THE WINDOWS ABOVE THEM AT THE SECOND LEVEL.
ALSO FURTHER MOVE THAT, UH, UH, UH, FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEMS SIX THROUGH EIGHT AS SUBMITTED.
AND, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM NINE, THE SIGNAGE WITH THE STIPULATION, THE FINAL SIGNAGE DOCUMENTS RETURNED, UH, TO THE COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE.
OKAY, NEXT WE'RE GONNA UNMUTE STEPHANIE FOR
[16. 20-5475 Address/Description: 4007 S FLORES ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-238 Landmark: Individual landmark Applicant: HIGH CAY LLC Request: Demolition of a historic landmark with new construction of a car wash City Council Dist.: 3]
ITEM NUMBER 16.ITEM NUMBER 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 2 3 8.
ADDRESS, 4 0 0 7 SOUTH FOREST STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK AT 4 0 0 7 SOUTH FLORIDA STREET, AND TWO, CONSTRUCT A CAR WASH ITEM ONE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REQUEST.
ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK STRUCTURE.
BASED ON FINDINGS A ONE A THROUGH ONE F, THE APPLICANT MUST EXPLORE ALL OPTIONS FOR REUSE OF THE EXISTING LANDMARK BUILDING.
IF THE H D R C FINDS THAT THE CRITERIA FOR ESTABLISHING AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP HAVE BEEN MET PER U D C SECTION 35 DASH SIX 14 OR FAILING, THAT FINDS
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THAT A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE HAS OCCURRED AND APPROVES THE REQUESTED DEMOLITION AND STAFF MAKES THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE REQUESTED NEW CONSTRUCTION ITEM TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF REQUEST.ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A CAR WASH BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A THROUGH TWO J.
AND I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE IF Y'ALL COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
ALRIGHT, THIS MARK SPEAKING FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME.
UH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE HAVEN'T PROVED THAT THERE'S, UM, ECONOMIC OBSOLESCENCE OR, UM, UH, WHATEVER THE PHRASE YOU USED? YEAH.
SO MR. BERNADOS, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, IF COMMISSIONERS CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE, THE FINDINGS FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP HAVE NOT BEEN MET, UM, FAILING THAT YOU CAN PROVE A LOSS OF.
SO HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO BECAUSE Y'ALL OH, GO AHEAD.
HAVE 15, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO STATE YOUR CASE.
SO Y'ALL ASKED TO PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION.
WE PROVIDED IT, AND I THINK WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THIS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF INFORMATION PROVIDED VERSUS WHAT WE PROVIDED VERSUS STAFF'S OPINION AND THEIR QUALITY OF INFORMATION.
SO FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, CAN WE STIPULATE THAT THE CONSULTANTS I USE ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD AND QUALIFIED TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY MADE? OR DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND CREDENTIAL EVERYBODY THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY? I'M JUST ASKING QUESTION THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY.
HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR US, MR. GRS? NO, I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
SO YOU ACCEPT THAT MY PEOPLE ARE AT FAULT.
OKAY, SO, SO, SO NOW LET'S, EXCUSE ME.
THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK COMING THROUGH ON SOME WORK, PUTTING THE VOLUME DOWN.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUES THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO REBUILD THE PROPERTY, WHICH ADD TO THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IS THE, THE FIRST IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T COMPLY WITH COSTS, WHICH IS A TEXAS STATUTE PRECEDES ALL CITY ORDINANCES.
AND THE CITY AND O H D O H P CANNOT WAIVE MY OBLIGATION TO MEET, UH, TESTS.
WOULD EVERYBODY AGREE THAT THAT'S A VALID STATEMENT? PLEASE CONTINUE.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU ONLY HAVE 15 MINUTES.
SO I GUESS STAFF POSITION IS THAT THEY CAN JUST SAY, I DON'T HAVE TO MEET TASKS SO I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE THAT'S A STATE OBLIGATION THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO.
SECONDLY, I HAVE TO MEET A D A, WHICH IS A FEDERAL OBLIGATION, AND THE STAFF SAYING ONCE AGAIN THAT, OH, THEY CAN MATCH AND WAIVE THEIR WAND AND MAKE A D A GO AWAY.
BECAUSE UNLESS YOU CAN MAKE THOSE TWO GO AWAY, YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH THIS BUILDING.
OKAY? AND MY EXPERTS HAVE ALREADY SHOWN THAT.
SO IF STAFF CAN TELL ME SOME WAY TO MAKE IT COMPLYING WITH A D A AND COSTS, I'M ALL EARS.
BUT NO ONE'S BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
SECONDLY, WE, WE DID AN EXTENSIVE, EXTENSIVE MARKET SURVEY, AND I KNOW STAFF SAYS I'M LAZY AND I HAVEN'T MADE ANY EFFORT, BUT WE SPENT OVER TWO YEARS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS THING OUT.
SO THE FIRST THING WE DID IS WE DID A MARKET STUDY AND IT SHOWED THERE'S OVER 600,000 SQUARE FEET OF VACANT SPACE IN THE TWO MILE AREA.
AND THE TRADE AREA IS DIVIDED BY, DEFINED BY I 10 ON THE NORTH, I 35 ON THE WEST, PLEASANTON ON THE SOUTH, AND THE MISSION AREA TO THE EAST.
SO IN THAT AREA, THERE'S OVER 600,000 SQUARE FEET OF VACANT SPACE.
THE AVERAGE RENTS ON THOSE SPACES THAT ARE LEASED IS $12 AND 93 CENTS.
OKAY? SO THOSE ARE THE MARKET CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE TO OPERATE IN.
SECONDLY, ALL THE, THE AVERAGE PROPERTY THAT WE COMPETE WITH HAS FOUR SPACES PER THOUSAND FOR PARKING, WE HAVE 0.69.
OKAY? SO THERE, IF WE WERE TO LEASE ALL 20,000 SQUARE FEET, WE WOULD NEED 150,000, EXCUSE ME, 150 SPACES, TWO PARTS FERTILITY PER CITY CODE, OKAY? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BEING SHORT ONE OR TWO, NO ONE IS BEEN ABLE TO, TO TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS, OKAY? I MEAN, STAFF MAKE SOME VERY GENERAL, WELL, YOU CAN DO THIS AND DO THAT, BUT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY SHOW YOU HOW TO DO IT.
OKAY? SO I'M, CAN I CAN ONLY MY MATCHING MARKET GET TO 38% OCCUPANCY? I I AM ONE 12
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TO EVERYBODY ELSE IN TERMS OF PARKING AND I'M SUPPOSED TO ATTRACT TENANTS TO THIS.SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE REPORT IT SAID, WELL, YOU CAN TEAR DOWN THE REBUILDING.
SO WHAT IS HISTORIC HERE? IS IT THE TWO STORY BUILDING, HISTORIC, THE WHOLE BUILDING? CAN YOU TEAR DOWN THE BACK? YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEEM TO GET DIFFERENT ANSWERS ON THIS, OKAY? SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT I CAN ECONOMICALLY REDO A BUILDING, OKAY? WE WOULD INVEST $3.2 MILLION TRUSTING INTO THIS BUILDING THAT WHEN WE GO TO SELL IT, WE WOULD LOSE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
SO THIS IS A CASE OF, WELL, I'M ONLY GONNA MAKE $500,000 AND PEOPLE THINK I'M GRIEVING AND I WANT TO, SHOULD MAKE MORE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE TEXTBOOK CASE OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
I INVEST $3.2 MILLION TO GET BACK $700,000, I LOSE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
THE STAFF DISAGREE WITH THAT ANALYSIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH TO TO, TO BACK UP THE CASE IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
I HAVE RENOVATED FOUR BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THAT ARE ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO 90 YEARS OLD.
RIGHT NOW, I KNOW MORE ABOUT RENOVATING THESE TYPE OF PROPERTIES THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN TOWN.
HOW DO I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE PEOPLE CALL ME AND ASK ME HOW I FIGURE THINGS OUT.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A COAT OF PAINT ON.
IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE OLD JOE'S GYM BUILDING ON PBURG, EVEN THE PEOPLE OVER THERE WHO HATE ME, BASICALLY EVERYBODY HAVE ALL SAID IT IS THE BEST LOOKING BUILDING ON IN THE DECO DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE RE REDOING THE OLD STU BUILDING THAT EUCLID AND, UM, SAN PEDRO AS WE SPEAK.
WE TOOK AN OLD BUILDING THAT WAS FALLING DOWN PRACTICALLY AT QUARTER AND BRAUNFELS ON THE EAST SIDE COMPLETELY RENOVATED IT.
UH, SO WE HAVE EXPERTISE DOING THIS.
IF, IF I SAY IT'S GONNA COST ME $3.2 MILLION, IT'S GONNA COST ME $3.2 MILLION IF I'M LUCKY.
OKAY? SO OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS, I'VE BOUGHT AND SOLD OVER $4 BILLION WORTH OF REAL ESTATE, MOSTLY RETAIL PROPERTIES.
IF, IF I SAY I CAN SELL THIS UPON COMPLETION OF 10 CAP RATE, IT, IT'S BASICALLY WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
OKAY? MY GUY, ADAM SHILLER, HAS BEEN TRYING TO LEASE THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD 18,000 SQUARE FEET OVER TWO YEARS.
HE'S TALKED TO OVER 60 TENANTS THAT WOULD TAKE OVER 500,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND WE HAVE COMMITMENTS FROM TWO, BASICALLY FOR 33% OF THE CENTER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE CAN SAY, WE HAVEN'T MADE AN EFFORT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX AND BE CREATIVE.
WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GUY WHO'S A LEGEND IN SAN FRANCISCO, THE MOST DIFFICULT PLACE IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY TO RENOVATE SOMETHING, THE MOST LIBERAL PRO NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE IN THE COUNTRY.
AND WHAT DID I DO? I FIGURED OUT HOW TO TAKE ABANDONED FOUR STORY, SEA SEA BUILDING, A QUARTER MILE FROM THE PRESIDIO, A QUARTER MILE FROM GOLDEN GATE PARK AND CREATE THE COUNTRY'S FIRST URBAN VERTICAL POWER CENTER.
AND I CAME WITH A SOLUTION THAT NO ONE EVER THOUGHT OF, OKAY? SO I CAN COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WILL NEVER THINK OF.
AND IF I CAN'T COME UP WITH A SOLUTION HERE, THERE IS NO SOLUTION.
OKAY? YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS BUILDING.
YOU HAVE NO PARKING, YOU'LL NEVER MEET THE AADA A GUIDELINES, YOU'LL NEVER EVEN MEET THE, THE U D C FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND ROD
YOU HAVE CONTINUOUS CURB, WHICH NO IS NO LONGER AROUND.
YEAH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT, BUT CHRISTINA DILLA CRUZ AND TRAFFIC WILL, WILL SCREAM BLOODY MURDER WHEN WE DO IT.
YOU CAN'T PARK 20,000 SQUARE FEET WITH 16 SPACES.
WHERE WOULD THE PEOPLE PARK? THEY PARK ON THE, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, THE, THE NEIGHBOR WOULD BE UP IN ARMS. THERE'S NO PARKING FOR THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO ATTRACT TENANTS.
EVEN IF WE ATTRACT THEM AT BEST, WE'RE GOING TO GET MAYBE 40% OCCUPANCY AT RENT, DON'T SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION.
SO I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PART OF LOSING TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON A THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR DEAL IS AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY TAKE OFFENSE TO COMMENT THAT WE'RE LAZY AND DIDN'T DO OUR WORK OR MADE NO EFFORT.
I'VE BEEN FEEDING THIS THING FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED OVER 60 TENANTS.
WE DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT DOING THIS.
OKAY? SO I I DON'T SEE WHERE THE STAFF CAN SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T MET THE BURDEN OF PROOF ON ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
AND NO ONE HAS EVER WALKED UP TO ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU DID THIS, THIS, AND THIS, YOU COULD FIX THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THE ANSWER DOESN'T EXIST.
AND I SAY THAT BASED ON 40 YEARS
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OF DOING THIS.SO I, I ASK STAFF, CAN STAFF SHOW ME THE LAST DEAL, 80 YEAR OLD PROPERTY IN THE CITY CENTER THAT THEY RENOVATED WITH THEIR MONEY, THEIR TIME, THEIR EFFORT, THEIR EXPERTISE? I I I'M OPEN, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ON, ON THE HISTORIC STAFF AND THEY, AND THEY CREDENTIALED THEMSELVES AND TELL ME THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THIS BETTER THAN ME.
ANYBODY? NO, THEY'VE NEVER DONE THIS.
THEY WANT TO TELL US HOW TO DO IT.
JUST LIKE WHEN PEOPLE, I WAS DIGGING DITCHES, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WANT TO START, STAND AT THE TOP OF THE DITCH AND TELL ME HOW TO DIG THE DITCH.
OKAY? SO WE'VE DONE THIS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THE BACKUP INFORMATION, WE HAVE THE MARKET STUDY, WE HAVE THE LIST OF TENANTS THAT WE'VE CALLED ON.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING I'VE DONE HAS HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CREATIVITY, WHETHER IT WAS TAKING DOWN A BURNED DOWN MALL AT, AT LUKE FOUR 10 IN SAN PEDRO AND FIGURED HOW TO CREATE A STRUCTURE WHEN NONE COULD WORK.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SAID YOU COULDN'T BUILD SHOPPING CENTERS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WELL, I BAILED OUT BOOKS WITH OUR FIRST PROJECT DOWN THERE, SAID, YOU CAN'T REDEVELOP URBAN PROPERTY.
WELL, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, BANDERA AND WOODLAWN AND VANCE JACKSON AND I 10 THAT COULD NOT BE DONE.
EVERYBODY SAID THEY COULD NOT BE DONE, BUT WE FIGURED OUT THE SOLUTIONS.
WE FIGURED OUT TO FIX A DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN VANCE JACKSON THAT NOBODY COULD FIX.
OKAY? SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE KEEP TRYING TO, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, LIVE ON FANTASY ISLAND WHERE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ELEVATORS WILL LIFT THE CARS UP AND PARK 'EM ON THE ROOF.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET MULTIPLE, I DON'T NEED MULTIPLE BIDS.
I HAVE MULTIPLE BIDS FROM THE FOUR PROJECTS WE FINISHED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS AND DOING THIS EXACT SAME THING.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS, I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE HERE TO DO AN EVALUATION OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND THAT THAT WAS THE QUESTION WE WERE HAVING.
SO IF WE HAVE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT I SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
WHAT I DO WITH THE PROPERTY AFTER THAT IS WHAT I'M ALLOWED IT TO BY RIGHT UNDER, UNDER ZONING CODE, WHICH IS DEVELOP A CAR WASH.
IT'S ALWAYS HAD C THREE ZONING.
I DON'T HAVE THAT FOR ANYBODY'S PERMISSION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AS WE READ IT THAT SAYS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ALTERNATE, AMEND THE U D C, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE CLAIMING TO DO BY SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO MEET ALL THESE CONDITIONS.
FIRST OFF, WE'RE NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, THEIR COMMENTS WHERE WE HAVE TO MEET THE STREETSCAPE, WHAT THE METAL BARN BEHIND US, THE METAL FAMILY DOLLAR ACROSS THE STREET, THE EMPTY PARKING LOT WITH TURNED OUT CARS IN THEM ACROSS IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT WITH DOING A TURN DOWN AND BUILD A METAL BUILDING? BECAUSE IT FACE, BECAUSE IT MEETS THE STREETSCAPE.
YOU, IF, IF WE WERE TO REDEVELOP THIS BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE U D C, WHICH MEANS AT THE 80 FOOT, 88 FOOT WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY, AT ITS WIDEST, WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY 10 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY ON EACH STREET FOR SIDEWALKS.
OKAY? WE TRIED A LOT OF TIMES, HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO YET.
SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT TO WORK WITH.
TO HAVE A ROW OF, OF TWO DEEP PARKING, WE NEED 56 FEET OF WIDTH.
THE PROPERTY'S ONLY 88 FEET DEEP.
I MEAN, ANYBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS ANYTHING ABOUT OUR U D C WILL WILL SEE.
DEVELOPING A TRIANGLE IS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING YOU DO BECAUSE INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING FROM ONE SIDE OF FRONT, YOU'RE TAKING IT FROM ALL THREE SIDES.
WE END UP WITH A ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DEAL WITH FOOTPRINT.
SO I, I GUESS I'M ASKING IS IF YOU TELL ME, NO, IT'S NOT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, I'M STOPPED.
IF YOU SAY, WELL, EVEN IT IS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND WE'LL SHUT DOWN WHAT? YOU JUST DON'T WANT ME TO BUILD A CAR WASH.
IS, IS THAT THE POINT? YOU HAVE ABOUT TWO MORE MINUTES I'M LOOKING FOR, FOR AN ANSWER.
I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER OR DIRECTION.
IS IT? WELL, WE'LL GIVE YOU ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD A CAR, WASH IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE A PLAZA, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING ELSE.
IS IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? OKAY, I'M DONE.
UH, SO THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN.
I HAD A A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, THAT I WAS HOPING THAT, UM, I COULD GET OUT THERE.
SO I KNOW YOU HAVE HAVE MENTIONED, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO MAKE THIS BUILDING, UM, FEASIBLE.
AND SO BASED ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND, AND WHAT'S EXISTING, THE
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QUESTION TO ME IS HAVE YOU LOOKED AT GIVING UP SOME OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT FOR PARKING? UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE SPACE OVER TO THE RIGHT, THE, THE LOWER, THE LOWER, UH, YEAH, THAT AREA, THE, THE ONE STORY SPACE TO THE RIGHT OF THE MAIN BUILDING.UM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT PARKING YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GAIN BY CONVERTING THAT INTO A PARKING AREA AND WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE? YEAH, SO IN RELATION TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT, OKAY, SO THIS NOW GETS BACK INTO WHAT WAS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WAS DEEMED HISTORIC.
SO IF THE QUESTION IS WILL WAGE HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON THE SINGLE STORY EDITION, YES, YOU CAN SHARE THAT DOWN.
WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, YEAH, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT REQUESTING, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING TEARING IT DOWN, I'M SUGGESTING USING IT AS COVERED PARKING, ALMOST LIKE A, LIKE YOU WOULD SEE AS A, UH, UH, IN DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE FIRST FLOOR PARKING OR, OR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU CAN CONVERT THAT INTO A, A ONE WAY THROUGH TRAFFIC PARKING STALL.
UH, I, I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAD DONE ANY STUDY ON WHAT THAT COULD CAPTURE FOR YOU AS FAR AS PARKING, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU CAN GET AN OFFSET OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE TO PARKING, THEN YOU WOULD BE CLOSER, MUCH CLOSER TO A FOUR PER THOUSAND, UH, PARKING RATIO FOR THE BUILDING.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT YOUR PROFORMA WAS, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT ONCE YOU START GETTING INTO, UH, THAT TYPE OF AN OFFSET, THEN THIS BUILDING, THE RENOVATION OF THIS BUILDING AS A HISTORIC PROPERTY BECOMES A MUCH MORE FEASIBLE PROJECT.
OKAY? SO THAT BUILDING IS 40 FEET WIDE.
OKAY? SO WE COULD OPEN IT UP AND GET ABOUT 10 SPACES.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE CITY IS NOT GONNA GIVE YOU ACCESS OFF WASHINGTON OR FLORES INTO IT.
SO NOW YOU HAVE TO BRING EVERYBODY IN FROM TUUS INTO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
THE CITY WILL REQUIRE THAT YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT FLOATED ENTRANCE.
OKAY? SO YOU GO 20 FEET AND NOW YOU HAVE 20 FEET TO TURN EITHER WAY.
SO YOU NOW LOSE FOUR OF THOSE SPACES.
SO EFFECTIVELY YOU SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO GET ABOUT SIX SPACES.
DO YOU, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, IS, IS A PLAN OF THAT.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I I DON'T, I I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF VALIDATING THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE CREATIVE, UH, STUFF THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE YOU PROVE THAT THIS DOESN'T REALLY WORK.
AND, UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT.
I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU, I MEAN, THE REASON THAT I, WELL, IF WE WERE, YOU KNOW, ALL IN PERSON, YEAH, WE COULD SHOW IT TO YOU, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING, BUT YEAH, MY ARCHITECT, MARK NEVILLE, WE ALREADY RAN THAT DRILL.
THAT'S WHY I KNEW THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING, THE WIDTH OF THE THROATED ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO GET CARS IN, BECAUSE IT BECOMES A, IT IS NOT AS EASY AS JUST SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING OR THE BACK BUILDING TO GET ACCESS.
OKAY? THE CITY ISN'T GOING TO GIVE YOU CONTINUOUS ACCESS.
THEY'RE GONNA MAKE YOU COME THROUGH ONE ENTRANCE.
OKAY? SO WHEN YOU DO THAT ENTRANCE, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 20 FOOT THROATED ENTRANCE.
SO IF THE PARKING SPACES ARE 18 FEET, 20 AND 18 IS 38, THERE'S NO ROOM TO, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 12 FOOT, WHAT'S THE WIDTH? I LEAVE 12 FEET FOR ONE WAY, 12 FEET FOR ONE WAY.
SO WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF MONEY.
I, I MEAN, IF YOU GIMME AN EMAIL ADDRESS, I'LL SEND IT TO YOU.
WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE THAT DRILL.
THE OTHER PROBLEM IS NOW YOU HAVE COLUMNS.
OKAY? IF, IF YOU'RE, WE, WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT IT AS TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING.
OKAY? WHEN YOU, IF YOU KEEP THE BUILDING AND TRY AND PARK INSIDE OF IT, NOW YOU HAVE THE COLUMNS, YOU HAVE COLUMNS EVERY 20 FEET.
SO I, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT GET TWO SPACES, OKAY? IF YOU GO THAT ROUTE, YOU TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING, YOU DO THE ENTRANCE, AND YOU GET ABOUT EIGHT SPACES.
I, AND, AND EIGHT, NINE TO 16 ON 10,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU GO TO 1.6 SPACES PER THOUSAND.
UM, BUT HOW MANY, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WOULD YOU LOSE BY TAKING OUT THAT BUILDING? UH, ROUGHLY 10,000 FEET.
SO YOU'D BE LEFT WITH A TWO STORY BUILDING THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 10,000 FEET, AND YOU'D HAVE 16 SPACES.
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CAN YOU PULL UP A SITE PLAN? UH, I, I, WHOEVER IS THIS LAUREN? WHAT, WHAT IS THE SITE PLAN? THE SITE PLAN IS 1 35.THAT'S THE, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, THAT'S THE SURVEY.
WE DO HAVE TO SURVEY, WE HAVE TO SCREEN UP NOW ON ONE PAGE.
SO, MR. GRANADOS, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, I'M HERE.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE TRIANGLE, OKAY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIMENSION
SO IF YOU GO WITH THE, THE, THE DYNAMIC THAT YOU KEEP THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ALTHOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE, THE VORTEX OF, UH, PLEASANTON AND FLOORS COME TOGETHER BACK TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU HAVE 88 FEET.
OKAY? SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO, IF, IF YOU ASSUME YOU CAN TALK CHRISTINA INTO LETTING YOU BACK INTO A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, WHICH WE'VE NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFUL, THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE HEAD PARK AND CAR TO CAR.
YOU, YOU GO ROUGHLY 28 FEET INTO THE PROPERTY BEFORE YOU GET THERE.
SO THAT LEAVES YOU 60 FEET TO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A ROW OF, UH, PARKING BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE TWO PA, TWO PA TWO PARKING SPACES ON EACH STREET TO COME IN.
YOU NEED 56 FEET TO HAVE, UH, DOUBLE PARKING, YOU KNOW, PARKING ON EACH SIDE WITH, WITH THE DRIVE.
OKAY? SO IF YOU DO THAT, YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY RECONFIGURE AND GET MAYBE 12 SPACES.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU NOW HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DYNAMICS OF, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE HANDICAP SPACES ON EITHER SIDE, TWO SPACES.
PLUS THEY ARE, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU DIRECT ACCESS TO PLEASANTON FLOORS.
THEY'RE GONNA MAKE YOU DO A THROAT.
AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS COMPLICATED, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A THROAT OFF OF BOTH PLEASANTON AND FLOORS.
SO THAT'S 40 FEET YOU'RE TAKING OUT OF 88 FEET.
I MEAN, AND YOU CAN ASK, YOU CAN ASK ROD
MARTIN KNOWS THESE INNER CITY REDEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES BETTER HELP STAFF CALLS US SOMETIMES AND ASK US WHAT, WHAT THEY SHOULD DO.
YOU KNOW, AND A TRIANGLE IS THE WORST.
A TRIANGLE IS THE WORST THING TO TRY AND DEVELOP.
OKAY? SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT PARKING EVERYWHERE IMAGINABLE, AND IF YOU GET A LOT OF LUCK, MAYBE YOU GET UP TO 20 SPACES ON 10,000 FEET.
IF YOU TURN DOWN THE BACK BUILDING, YOU'RE STILL 2.0.
I CAN'T EVEN PARK THE EMPLOYEES OF A MEDICAL CLINIC WITH 2.0 PARKING.
BEFORE WE GET INTO FURTHER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, UH, WE DO HAVE A, UH, CITIZEN'S LETTER TO BE READ.
FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONCURS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION 1926 TODOS BUILDING AT 4,007 SOUTH FLOORS HAS MET FOR THE CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THE BUILDING RETAINS ITS HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AS A SPANISH COLLECTIVE VARIATION ON THE COMMERCIAL STYLE ALSO REPRESENTS AN IMPORTANT CHAPTER IN SAN ANTONIO HISTORY.
DUE TO ITS CONNECTION WITH AC TO-DOS, TO REMOVE LANDMARK DESIGNATION, YOU MUST EITHER PROVE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR DEMONSTRATE THAT THE BUILDING HAS LOST ARCHITECTURAL OR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT MAKE EITHER OF THESE ARGUMENTS.
THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT WE HAVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE
AND, AND SO I REQUEST GENERAL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, ARE THEY GONNA GIMME THE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS? UH, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING PRETTY GENEROUS WITH MY TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
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ALRIGHT, SO WHAT NEXT? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.YOU KNOW, FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, UM, GENERALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR EVIDENCE THAT, THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS FAILED TO FIND, UH, A POTENTIAL PURCHASER.
UH, AND THAT'S USUALLY EVIDENCE WITH A LIST, AN ACTIVE LISTING OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I'M LOOKING AT 244 PAGES IN THIS APPLICATION, AND I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND, UH, EVIDENCE OF AN ACTIVE LISTING OR EVEN EVIDENCE OF EVIDENCE OF MARKETING THE PROPERTY TO TENANTS.
IS THAT, AM I LOOKING, WHERE SHOULD I LOOK FOR THAT EVIDENCE? OH, OKAY.
SO FIRST OFF, WE HAVE A MARKETING PACKAGE THAT IS ALREADY AVAILABLE OFF OUR WEBSITE.
I CAN SEND YOU, WELL, HERE'S A PROBLEM.
IF I SEND YOU OUR CALL LOG, IT BECOMES PUBLIC INFORMATION.
OKAY? AND I SAID, WE HAVE OVER 60 PEOPLE THAT WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THAT WE THINK WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN, IN THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T WANT ALL MY COMPETITORS KNOWING WHO WE'RE TALKING TO BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO TRY AND COMPETE WITH ME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ADAM SILVER HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR ME FOR 15 YEARS.
HE'S LEASED ABOUT 3 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE FOR ME.
IF YOU ASK ANYBODY IN TOWN THAT'S IN THE RETAIL LEASING BUSINESS, YOU GOT AN URBAN INFIELD DEAL, SOUTH SAN ANTONIO, LOWER ECONOMICS, YOU KNOW, HEAVILY HISPANIC, YOU KNOW, WE TALK TO YOU, THEY SAY, WELL, YOU WON'T GET MARK TO TALK TO YOU, SO JUST TALK TO ADAM DIRECTLY.
OKAY? BUT LITERALLY, WE CAN GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW,
WE KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THESE TYPE OF AREAS, AND WE'VE TALKED TO ALL OF 'EM.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO DOING THIS PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, AND AFTER TWO YEARS, WE'VE COME UP WITH 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF USERS THAT WANNA BE HERE.
THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING WITH.
I MEAN, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, I'M OKAY JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, UH, BECAUSE I MEAN, PART OF THIS IS PUBLIC, PUBLIC RECORD.
WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE SUBMITTING EVIDENCE FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, THERE'S ONE PIECE OF IT THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT AND I CAN'T FIND, AND THAT'S THE EVIDENCE THAT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ACTIVELY LISTED.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU LISTED THE PROPERTY? HAVE YOU LOOKED FOR A BUYER THAT'S WILLING TO, UH, PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND UTILIZE IT FOR SOME OTHER REASON? OKAY.
THE PROPERTY'S BEEN LISTED FOR OVER TWO YEARS BY MY COMPANY.
WE DO AS MUCH RETAIL LEASING AS ANYBODY IN TOWN.
PEOPLE COME TO US TO LEASE THEIR PROPERTIES.
WE JUST DON'T TAKE THOSE ASSIGNMENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANNA DO.
BUT YOU'VE GOT THE BEST RETAIL LEASING GUY, RETAIL SALES GUY IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, ADAM SCHILLER, THAT'S BEEN MARKING THIS PROPERTY FOR TWO YEARS.
WE HAVE A, A MARKETING BROCHURE.
YOU CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND DOWNLOAD THE MARKETING BROCHURE.
SO WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN DOING THIS, AND WE TAKE CALLS FROM PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE, I THINK THE, I THINK THE QUESTION QUESTION, I THINK THE QUESTION IS MORE POINTED TOWARDS IF YOU CAN'T MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BEING, UH, ASKED OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IF, IF THAT DOESN'T MEET YOUR FINANCIAL, UM, PRO FORMA, I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THE ACTUAL LISTING OF THE PROPERTY FOR ANOTHER USER TO U USE THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY, UM, FOR WHAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC.
SO IF THERE, NOT FOR LEASE, BUT FOR A SALE, ARE YOU OKAY? THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOR SALE FOR 10 YEARS PRIOR TO US BUYING IT FOR SALE SIGNS ON IT.
THERE'S STILL FOR SALE SIGNS ON IT.
IN 10 YEARS, WE ARE THE ONLY GROUP THAT MADE AN OFFER TO THE PREVIOUS OWNER TO BUY IT 10 YEARS.
THERE'S A FOR SALE SIGN ON IT NOW.
IT'S BEEN ON THERE SINCE, SINCE WE GOT CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T THINK ADAM IS QUALIFIED TO SELL THIS PROPERTY AND THAT WE SHOULD GO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE APPROVED BY YOU AND THE, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY BECAUSE THEY CAN DO OUR JOB BETTER THAN US? I THINK, I THINK WE WERE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THE PROPERTY WAS LISTED FOR SALE AND FOR LEASE, NOT, AND, AND FOR DOCUMENTATION.
THERE'S, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE QUESTIONING ANYBODY'S PROFESSIONAL, UH, CAPACITY.
THERE'S A SIGN ON THE BU BUILDING, THERE'S A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY
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LIKE I SAID, THE PROPERTY WAS VACANT FOR 10 YEARS BEGGING FOR SOMEBODY TO BUY.AND WE BOUGHT IT SIMPLY 'CAUSE IT HAD THE ZONING WE WANTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE, IN YOUR MIND, WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO MARKET A PROPERTY LIKE THIS? SIX MONTHS, ONE YEAR? UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A SIGN ON IT FOR OVER TWO YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT WE GO PUT A SIGN UP THERE FOR, FOR TWO YEARS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR SALE.
AND IF NOBODY BUYS IT FROM US, THEN WE'VE PROVED IT
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD A SIGN UP FOR OVER TWO YEARS, MAKE A PULLED PERMIT A NEW PERSON PUT IT, YOU KNOW.
TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO.
GO TO A WEBSITE AND SEE IF THERE'S PACKAGE.
SO WHAT ELSE CAN I ANSWER? THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER.
UM, I'M NOT A MONEY PERSON, SO, UM, I'M RELYING ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR STATEMENT THAT THE, UH, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP HAS NOT BEEN MET, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT'S STILL INTACT REMAINING.
UH, I DID VISIT THE PROPERTY, UM, LAST MONTH OR SO, WENT INSIDE AND, UM, OBSERVED THAT THERE IS STILL SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC FABRIC INTACT.
UH, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE OF THE, THE BOARDED UP WINDOWS, BUT, UM, UH, WOOD FLOORING, WOOD WINDOWS, UH, DECORATIVE METAL CEILING.
UM, IN MY VIEW, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL, THE ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING, UM, STILL REMAIN.
SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE AS WE READ THE ORDINANCE, AND I'VE HAD SOME PRETTY SMART PEOPLE, I MEAN, A LOT SMARTER THAN ME READ IT.
THE ORDINANCE PERTAINS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
IT DOES NOT CROSS OVER INTO THE INTERIOR.
I MEAN, IF I WANTED TO, I COULD GO AND GUT THE INTERIOR TODAY, AND I DON'T NEED ANYBODY'S PERMISSION TO DO IT OTHER THAN JUST TO GET A PERMIT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS YOU WANT TO SAVE THE WOOD FLOOR OR THE METAL ROOF, OR THIS EVENT THAT METAL CEILING TILES.
I MEAN, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS, YOU CAN'T WAIT.
THE EXTERIOR, I BELIEVE, IS ALSO INTACT.
YOU PULL THE PLYWOOD OFF AND YOU'VE GOT WOOD WINDOWS THAT YOU, THAT CAN BE RESTORED.
UH, THE DECORATIVE ELEMENTS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING STILL REMAIN.
SO IN TERMS OF THE, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, YOU ARE CORRECT.
UH, I WOULD MAINTAIN THAT IT, UH, STILL HAS, UH, MAINTAINS ITS ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE EXTERIOR, THE ENVELOPE AND INTERIOR.
IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, HEY, IF WE GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO TURN THIS THING DOWN, WOULD YOU HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND STRIP THE WOOD FLOORING, THE, THE METAL CEILING, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, SO THEY CAN BE REUSED IN OTHER PROJECTS.
SURE, WHY NOT? I'M JUST GONNA THROW 'EM AWAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IT'S LONG AS SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO THE WORK AND EXCHANGE MATERIAL, I DON'T WANT PAY TO DO THE WORK AND THEN IT'S GIVE AWAY TO SOMEBODY ELSE CAN GO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT.
BUT IF IT'S SAILING, SAVING THE 10 PRINT CEILING TILES, SURE YOU CAN HAVE 'EM.
UM, ALTHOUGH THAT'S A WHOLE LOT HARDER TO DO THAN YOU THINK.
OUR FORD DEALERSHIP, THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1928 AND HAS THAT SAME CEILING, AND IT WASN'T WORTH IT WHEN WE GOT RID OF IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY TO TRY AND SALVAGE ALL THE MATERIALS,
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BUT I SAID, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS IT, THAT THAT, THAT'S FINE.UH, OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE DIFFICULTY, THE CHALLENGE OF DEALING WITH THE, WITH A, A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS IN A SITE CONFIGURATION LIKE THIS.
AND I THINK OFTEN COME FROM LOOKING MORE HOLISTICALLY.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE DONE THIS UP AND DOWN FREDERICKSBURG, WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, REHABILITATION BECOMES A CATALYST FOR REVITALIZING THE ENTIRE STREET.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN A MORE HOLISTIC LOOK AT IF THERE'S, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES AVAILABLE THAT YOU COULD DO, UH, PARKING SHARING AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF THIS AWKWARD SHAPE LIMITED SPACE SITE, AND YET STILL PRESERVE SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOT OF, UH, IN PHYSICAL INTEGRITY AND HAS A LOT OF STREET PRESENCE AND HAS HAD FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME? HAS THERE BEEN ANY, ANY INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THAT?
SO YOU CAN USE OFFSITE PARKING AS LONG AS YOU'RE 600 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY.
AND ONCE YOU GET OFF OF PLEASANTON FLOORS, IT'S ALL, UM, RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU CAN'T PARK ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S NO AVAILABLE PARKING IN THE TRADE AREA WHERE YOU COULD USE THE OFFSITE PARKING, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
AND, AND I, I, I WANNA GO BACK 'CAUSE I KEEP GETTING MIXED SIGNALS.
I FIND TO, YOU KNOW, RESPECT EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS, OPINIONS AND, AND, AND PROVIDE ANSWERS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF ISN'T WHAT THIS DISCUSSION'S ABOUT BECAUSE THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S ECONOMIC HARDSHIP PERTAINING TO THE BUILDING.
WE, WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ON, YOU KNOW, THE EXTERIOR HISTORIC FACADES AND THAT, AND, AND WE DISAGREE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY OVER THAT DECISION.
BUT THAT DECISION ISN'T A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, PLAYGROUND RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE SIMPLY TODAY I'M TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN SOMEHOW DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, BURDEN ME WITH AN ECONOMIC LOSS.
UM, I GUESS THAT'S QUESTION ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THERE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP? AND THEN IF THERE IS, AND YOU TELL ME BUILDING, THEN WE GET INTO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE CAN OR CANNOT DO WITH IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I I HAVE DONE SOME PRETTY INTERESTING THINGS OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS, ONE OF WHICH IS IN 1982, WE TOOK A FIVE STORY BUILDING ON 11TH AVENUE, UM, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CAPITOL.
IT IS THE ONLY BUILDING WITH UNOBSTRUCTED VIEWS AT THE STATE CAPITOL.
AND WE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO ADD FIVE STORIES TO, BECAUSE THIS NAME WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES.
AND I, I BELIEVE MR. FESTER'S AN ARCHITECT, IT HAD COLUMNS THAT SHOOT, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE ADDED 20 STORIES, 50 COLUMNS OR SO BIG.
YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THOUGHT WE OVERPAID, THOUGHT IT WAS A MISTAKE, AND THEN WE FIGURED OUT THAT WE BASICALLY GOT THE ABILITY TO BUILD FIVE STORIES FOR FREE IS ALL OF A SUDDEN I WAS A SMART PERSON, OKAY? I TOOK THE THREE STORY ROBINSON MAY BUILD IN A BALDWIN PRINCE ON HILLS IN LOS ANGELES, WHICH IS THE HEART OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN ENTERTAINMENT COMMUNITY.
ROBINSON MAY'S CLOSED, I GOT BACK THE BUILDING AND I DID THE FIRST THREE STORY URBAN WALMART IN THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING HOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOCK THE GROCERY STORE IN THE MIDDLE OF A, WHAT WAS A MALL.
AND AS DECIDED SIDEKICK TO THAT FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT.
AND ALSO BUILD MAGIC JOHNSON'S THEATER, WHICH WAS THE FIRST BLACK OWNED THEATER, DEVELOPED THE UNITED STATES IN 50 YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WANT TO GET INTO ALL THE CRAZY THINGS I'VE DONE, OH, WE COULD SPEND AN AFTERNOON OKAY.
ON CRAZY IDEAS THAT EVERYBODY SAID WOULD NEVER WORK, THAT WORKED.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S WHEN, WHEN YOU FIND A SOLUTION IS THAT THERE'S FUNDAMENTALLY A PATH TO A SOLUTION.
IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO PATH BECAUSE
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I CAN NEVER FIX THE ONE DYNAMIC THAT RUNS REAL ESTATE, WHICH IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK IN THERE, WHICH IS THE EMPLOYEES.AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PATRONS, PATIENTS, CUSTOMERS, THAT BUSINESS FACILITY.
AND AT 20,000 SQUARE FEET, BY THE TIME WE DID PARKING FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES, SAY WE DID A MEDICAL CENTER PARKING FROM ALL THE EMPLOYEES AND THE PATIENTS, WE LITERALLY NEED 150 SPACES.
IF WE CUT IT IN HALF AND SAY, WE'RE JUST GONNA DO 10,000 PER FEET, I STILL NEED ABOUT SEVEN, FIVE SPACES.
AND, AND, AND ALL THE GAMES WE PLAY, WE MAY GET TO 20.
SO IF THIS WAS, I'M A FEW SPACES SHORT, WE GO CUT A DEAL WITH THE CITY.
WE'VE BEEN IT UP AND DOWN FREDERICKSBURG.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEEDED ANOTHER TWO OR THREE SPACES.
I CAN WAY TO CREATE 75 SPACES.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT BUYING AND BUILDING UP THE STREET AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN.
AND, AND I TOLD IAN AND MICHAEL, I SAID, SO I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA LET US TEAR, TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN TO GET PARKING FOR THE OTHER BUILDING.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA CROSS PLEASANT AND FLOORS TO WALK TO A RESTAURANT TO WALK TO WORK EVERY DAY.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T WORK.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.
I HAVE A A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON A, ON A THRESHOLD FOR THE VOTE HERE.
DOES THIS REQUIRE SIX OR MORE BECAUSE IT'S, UH, RELATED TO DEMOLITION? OR IS THIS SIMPLE? MAJORITY DEMOLITIONS REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY, WHICH IS TWO THIRDS.
SO FOUR OUT OF THE SIX WOULD NEED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF DEMOLITION TO PASS IT.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT WILL YOU EXPLAIN THAT? I, I'M SORRY, I JUST, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, UH, ABOUT, UH, THE PARKING.
UM, SO YOU'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF YOUR OTHER CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AND OTHER PROJECTS BEING TO GO, UH, ADD EXTRA STORY, UH, AN EXTRA STORY OR WHATEVER TO OTHER PROJECTS, MAYBE ONE OR TWO STORIES.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE WHERE YOU REPLACE THE BOTTOM FLOOR PARKING OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, THIS ENTIRE FOOTPRINT WITH PARKING AND, UH, WHAT THE POTENTIAL COUNT OF THAT WOULD BE AND THEN GOING VERTICAL TO REGAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE? OKAY, SO I, I WANNA MAKE, I WANNA MAKE SURE.
SO, AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK YOU'RE ASKING, I COULD BE WRONG IF THIS, CORRECT ME.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE GOT THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR, INCLUDING THE TWO STORY BUILDING AND THE STRUCTURE AND MAKE THAT ALL PARKING AND THEN BUILD NEW BUILDINGS ON TOP OF THAT? YES.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE PROB THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU'RE NOW CHASING YOUR TAIL ECONOMICALLY.
SO WE WERE AT 3,000,250, WHATEVER IT WAS, WE'RE AT $156 A SQUARE FOOT INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY.
OKAY? IT COST ME $250 A SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD NEW STUFF.
OKAY? SO IF I'M ONLY EARNING A A 2.09% RETURN ON MY $115 PER SQUARE INVESTMENT, THAT LITERALLY BECOMES A 1% RETURN.
WHEN I ADD ON THE COST OF BUILDING
SO THIS PROPERTY WAS A HUNDRED, SO THIS PROPERTY WAS $150 A FOOT WHEN YOU PURCHASED IT? NO, NO, NO.
THAT'S WHEN, BASED ON THE BUDGET WE PRESENTED TO, TO STAFF, THAT WOULD BE OUR INVESTMENT.
SO BY THE TIME WE GO IN AND RENOVATE EVERYTHING AND, AND INCLUDING WHAT WE PAY FOR THE LAND, OUR INVESTMENT IS 3 MILLION 263 2 65, WHICH IS $152 AND 43 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, BECAUSE I GET THE PRIVILEGE EVERY MONTH OF PAYING THE BILLS FOR THIS, IS THAT WHEN WE BUILD NEW STUFF AT GRAY, NOT ELEVATED ON TOP OF STUFF, IT COSTS US ALL $250 A SQUARE FOOT TO DO IT.
AND, AND, AND BASED ON THE, UH, THE COST WE WOULD HAVE IN IS A 2.09% RETURN.
AND THAT, BUT THAT'S FOR THE, THAT I'M SORRY.
UH, BUT THAT, THAT'S FOR A CAR WASH RETURN, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT FOR LEASING 20,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE SPACE? NO, NO.
THIS IS FOR, IF WE REDID THE BUILDING,
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TH THERE, THERE'S A PRO FORMA IN THE PACKAGE THAT GOES THROUGH THAT.IF WE RENOVATED THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR SHELL AND LOAN LOAN INTERIOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, SO, YOU KNOW, SOFT COSTS, YOU KNOW, LOAN FEES, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S, IF WE REDID THE BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE 3.2 MILLION AND EARN A 2% RETURN.
WELL, A AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, IS IT, IS THE MOTION TO GRANT IT, UH, A A ASSUME SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION TO GRANT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, DOES IT HAVE TO BE NINE TO TWO IN FAVOR TO GRANT IT OR IF IT IS TO DENY IT, IT HAS TO BE NINE TWO TO DENY IT.
SO IN ORDER FOR DEMOLITION TO BE APPROVED, THE U D C REQUIRES A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY OF MEMBERS PRESENT.
SO WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT.
SO FOUR WOULD VOTE IN SUPPORT OF A MOTION TO APPROVE AND FOR THAT MOTION TO PASS.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, CAN I GET A MOTION? I MOTION YOU GRANT IT FOR ME.
JUST A QUESTION ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT.
WILL HE BE ABLE TO DO VOTE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR YEAH, THAT WOULD BE
COREY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? 'CAUSE I, YOU ASK NO STAFF THIS.
SO THE APPLICANT, UM, IF THEY WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME TODAY, HAS THE ABILITY TO APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO I DON'T AS COMMISSIONER GROUP, UM, A MOTION TO DENY DEMO.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GRANT OR TO PROVE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
AND WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF COMMISSIONER GIBBS.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE.
RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAYYY.
I, I'LL, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FOLLOWING WHAT PASSED.
SO THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN DENIED.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE SHOW THAT WE LOSE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS DOING THIS, THAT IN Y'ALL'S OPINION IS NOT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
MR. CHAIR, I SUGGEST WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
IF, UM, APPLICANT HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HE CAN GET WITH STAFF, BUT LET'S MOVE ON.
WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH FILING THE LAWSUIT.
SO ITEM AS A REMINDER, ITEM 17 AND 18 HAVE BOTH BEEN POSTPONED.
[19. 20-5492 Address/Description: 313 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-388 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Felix Ziga/Ziga Architecture Studio PLLC Request: Construction of two, 2-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2]
19.AGENDA ITEM 19 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 88 3 13 NORTH PINE.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO, TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT THREE 13 NORTH PINE, LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS LOT IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF NORTH PINE AND POTOMAC STREET STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
ONE THAT BOTH SETBACKS BE GREATER THAN THOSE FOUND ON THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SETBACKS BE MEASURED FROM THE FRONT STREET FACE OF THE CURB TO ENSURE A UNIFORM MEASUREMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PROPOSED SETBACK DIAGRAM BE REVISED TO NOT A DEEPER SETBACK.
TWO, THAT THE SMALL FIXED WINDOWS BE
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ELIMINATED IN FULL-SIZED WINDOWS IS FOUND WITH THE CORRECT IS FOUND, AND WITH THE CORRECT PROPORTIONS IS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT BEING INSTALLED.IT'S NOTED IN FINDING, UH, THREE THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
TEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A STANDARD GAL WOUND FINISH AND A CRYPT RIDGE THEME OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP.
THE RIDGE CAP IS USED AND MUST BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.
PROPOSED SIDING SHOULD FEATURE AND EXPOSURE FOUR INCHES SMOOTH FINISH.
A THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH IN MIRE CORNERS.
COLUMN SHOULD BE SIX INCHES SQUARE.
UH, STIPULATION FOUR THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS.
THE APP THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING O SIX THAT THE PROPOSED WALKWAYS BE ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN IS NOTED IN FINDING P SEVEN.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN BE DEVELOPED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS IS NOTED IN FINDING Q AND
I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN.
IT'S NOTED ON PAGE 20 OF THE DOCUMENTS, UM, IN, IN CASE ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE WONDERING ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT SEE, SEE ON THE LINE, MR. ZIKA, YOU MAY, UM, UH, PRESENT AND RESPOND TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, WE WILL HAVE A, UH, CITIZEN'S COMMENT LETTER TO BE READ.
I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ALSO, UH, BESIDES SENDING THE REVISED SITE PLAN AND REVISED, UH, SETBACK DIAGRAM, WE ALSO RESPONDED, UM, CONSENTING TO SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMITTING TO ADDRESS THOSE PRIOR TO REQUESTING OUR FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, I WOULD LIKE STAFF, THEY COULD GO TO THE LAST PAGE OF THE EXHIBITS.
I WANTED TO SHOW Y'ALL, UM, AN EXCERPT FROM THE U D C REGARDING, UM, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL APPLICATIONS.
THERE'S JUST A DELAY ON YOUR RESTRAIN.
SO THE U D C SAYS, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS THE REVIEW OF GENERAL DESIGN IDEAS AND PRINCIPLES SUCH AS SCALE AND SETBACK.
SPECIFIC DESIGN DETAILS REVIEWED AT THE STAGE ARE NOT BINDING AND MAY ONLY BE APPROVED TO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE AGAINST OR FINAL APPROVAL.
SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, WE SUBMITTED THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL, WE WERE TRYING TO FOCUS ON DWELLING COUNT, MASSING SCALE PROPORTIONS, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK FROM THE ELEVATION.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT SOME ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF OUR STANDARD, UM, PRESENTATION PACKAGE.
BUT I, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO THAT WE WERE DRILLING INTO, YOU KNOW, SIDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT WHEN I START WITH THAT TO CLARIFY, THE, THE, THE ITEMS THAT WE CONSENT TO IS, UM, ITEM TWO.
UM, WE HAVE A PARTIAL CONSENT ON ITEM THREE.
UM, WE CONSENT TO ITEM FOUR, WE CONSENT TO ITEM FIVE.
UM, WE CONSENT TO ITEM SIX, WE CONSENT TO ITEM SEVEN AND WE CONSENT TO ITEM EIGHT.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION ON ITEM ONE AND THE SECOND HALF OF ITEM THREE.
UM, SO IN REGARDS TO ITEM ONE, STAFF WAS ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT THE HISTORIC SETBACK LINE IS MEASURED FROM THE OUTERMOST PROJECTION.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE'RE USING AN AERIAL RIGHT TO, TO TRY TO SCALE THE FRONT SETBACK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE USING WHAT'S VISIBLE TO US, RIGHT? SO MOST OF THE TIME IT'S THE, THE ROOF LINE OR, OR THE ASSUMED EDGE OF WALL.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET A, A SURVEY FROM, FROM OUR OWNER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET WE'RE, WE'RE DIMENSIONING TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WE'RE ABLE TO REVISE THE EXHIBIT.
YOU KNOW, GRANTED, WE'RE USING AN AERIAL, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE, IT'S AS ACCURATE AS WE CAN GET IT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO, TO MEET THE STAFF STIPULATION, BUT WE DID HAVE A, WE DID HAVE A PROJECT RECENTLY WHERE THE HERB WAS NOT, UH, PARALLEL, UH, TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT CREATED THESE WEIRD DIMENSIONS WHEN VERIFYING, UM, SUCH THINGS.
BUT WITH, TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE ADDRESSED ITEM ONE AND WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH ITEM ONE, UM, PER THE REVISED EXHIBITS.
UM, THE PORTION OF ITEM THREE THAT WE, THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS OR CLARIFY IS, UH, MAINLY IN REGARDS TO THE SIDING AND THE COLUMN SIZES, UM, FOR ONE OF THE DWELLINGS WE ARE PROPOSING IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CRAFTSMAN, MORE CRAFTSMAN, UH, IN, IN STYLE AND INSPIRATION.
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UM, WE ACTUALLY TRY TO DRAW INSPIRATION FROM THE NEIGHBORING TWO STORY PROPERTY, UH, TO THE NORTH OF POTOMAC.I THINK WE HAVE A PHOTO OF IT IN, UM, IN SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS.
BUT A GOOD KIND OF FRONT ELEVATION PHOTO OF THAT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS, UM, I THINK IT'S ON THE, UH, FOUNDATION FOUNDATION HEIGHT EXHIBIT IT.
UM, EXPECT TO, UH, GO TO THAT, PLEASE.
SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT CRAFTSMAN HOME THAT IS THERE, UH, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, IT HAS, UH, MUCH THICKER COLUMNS.
UM, THEY'RE ABOUT 12 INCHES THICK.
UM, SO WE WERE, FOR OUR CRAFTSMAN INSPIRED HOME, WHICH IS THE ONE, UM, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE SOUTH ON, ON OUR, ON OUR CORNER LOT THERE.
UM, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IN TERMS OF PROPORTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE PRESENTING, UH, 12 INCH COLUMNS ON THAT UNIT.
WE DO AGREE WITH THAT, THAT THE, THE OTHER HOME THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FOLK VICTORIAN INSPIRED, WE, WE DEFINITELY AGREE THAT THAT CAN BE, UH, SIX INCH COLUMN SQUARE.
UM, SO WE, WE DO PARTIALLY CONSENT TO THAT COMMENT.
UM, THE OTHER KIND OF DISCUSSION POINT WAS FOR THE STAFF STIPULATION WHERE WE'RE BEING REQUESTED TO PROVIDE FOUR INCH EXPOSURE.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT'S FOR THE HORIZONTAL SIGHTING 'CAUSE WHERE WE HAVE THE BOARD AND BATTEN, UM, OR, OR WITH STAFF'S INTENT THAT WE HAVE HORIZONTAL SIGHTINGS THROUGHOUT.
UM, THE WHOLE THING, JUST THE STAFF, I CAN COMMENT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE HORIZONTAL SIDING, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN SO ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE, WE MIGHT'VE BEEN THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT DID, UM, THAT DETAIL WITH THE MIRE CORNERS.
WE DID IT, UH, ACTUALLY AROUND THE CORNER ON CROCKETT STREET, AND IT CAME OUT BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, HARDY HAS, UH, HAS SOME GOOD PHOTOS OF THAT ARTISAN PRODUCT.
UM, UM, WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THIS PROJECT.
WE WANTED TO ACTUALLY SHOW TRIM BECAUSE IT IS MORE CRAFTSMAN OR INSPIRED.
UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS THE MIRE CORNER DETAILS MORE OF A, OF AN ARTS AND CRAFTS.
IT, IT ISN'T FROM THE TWENTIES, IT'S MORE FROM LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, SIXTIES, FIFTIES, SIXTIES, UM, TIME PERIOD.
UM, BUT I MEAN, IT STILL LOOKS, IT LOOKS APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? SO WE, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A PHOTO ON PAGE 18, UM, THAT SHOWS THE, THE ARTISAN SIDING THAT CREATES DEEPER SHADOW LINES.
UM, IT DOES SHOW THAT WITH TRIM, AND WE STILL THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR WHEN WE'RE IN THE SITUATIONS WHERE WE DO SHOW HORIZONTAL SIDING IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS.
CAN WE GET THE LETTER FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC PLEASE? YES.
AND THE FIRST ONE COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE ASK THAT THE CASE BE REVIEWED PRIMARILY AND SPECIFICALLY FOR CONCEPTUAL ELEMENTS AS MATERIALS AND OTHER DETAILS ARE NOT BINDING.
WHILE ZONING ALLOWS THE LOT TO BE SUBDIVIDED.
THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND O H P GUIDELINES DO NOT SUPPORT A PROJECT THAT DEVIATES SO GREATLY FROM CONTEXT AND HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THIS TO BE NOTED, THE VACANT PARCELS TO THE WEST ARE PART OF THE ORIGINAL LOT AND WILL MOST LIKELY BE IN FILLED WITH TWO MORE LARGE STRUCTURES.
FOR THIS REASON, WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO PLAN THE ENTIRE LOT AS PART OF THE PROJECT, AND SO IT WILL HAVE A GREAT EFFECT ON THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
PROPOSED SETBACK OF THIS LARGE TWO STORY HOUSE SHOULD BE MUCH GREATER THAN THE ONE STORY HOUSE TO THE SOUTH TO AVOID OVERSIZED STRUCTURES.
THE NEXT COMES FROM MONICA SINO.
I LIVE ON CROCKETT AND I OWN ONE 19 POTOMAC, APPROXIMATELY 55 FEET FROM THIS VACANT LOT.
I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME, DUE TO ITS SIZE, HEIGHT, AND LOCATION ON THE LARGE LOT THAT HAD IN THE PAST TWO DWELLINGS ON THE ENTIRE LOT, A FULL VICTORIAN HOUSE AND A SMALLER REAR APARTMENT.
THE FRONT SETBACKS NEED TO BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED BETWEEN THE TWO BLOCKS ON CROCKETT, BETWEEN THE TWO BLOCKS OF CROCKETT AND CENTER.
THERE ARE ONLY FOUR HOUSES THAT FRONT DOOR, THREE ON THE WEST SIDE AND ONE ON THE EAST.
YOUR SETBACKS ARE MEASURED FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
CONCRETE RETAINING WALL OR FENCE ARE 16 FEET, SIX INCHES, 23 FEET, ONE INCH, 17 FEET, SIX INCHES, AND 34 FEET FOUR INCHES.
THE FRONT SETBACKS TO THE NORTH PASSENGER CROCK ARE SIMILAR AT 16 FEET MINIMALLY.
IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO USE THE MEAN, THE MEAN FRONT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE FOR TWO BLOCKS IS 23 FEET, TWO INCHES.
THE STREET CURB AND PUBLIC RIGHTWAY IS ADDITIONAL PROPOSED HEIGHT MAY BE SIMILAR TO THE STU TO THE TWO STORY AT POTOMAC, BUT WOULD STILL BE, UM, THE ABERRATION ON THE LACK OF A MODEST SEQUEL STORY STRUCTURE.
UM, LIKEWISE THE MASSING ALONG WITH EXCESSIVE HEIGHT AND TWO CLOSE SETBACK WILL CAUSE THE NEW STRUCTURES
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TO JETT OUT.ANNUITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH TWO SMALL A FRONT SETBACK.
THE RESULTS ARE DISRUPTIVE AND ODD LOOKING.
I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL AS YOU WOULD FOR TWO STORY OR TWO, TWO STORY HOUSES THAT MAY BUILD, THAT MAY BE BUILT ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR OR TWO OR TO NEAR TO YOU.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ARVIS HAR HOLLAND.
UH, THE DITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESERVATION OF AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY FELIX CIGA, UM, FOR CONSTRUCTION OF TWO, TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
UPON REVIEW, THE H PARK SUPPORTS THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.
H PARK WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE FENESTRATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE ELEVATION OF BUILDING ONE AND FRONT SIDE ELEVATION OF BOTH BUILDINGS, SPECIFICALLY THE FENESTRATION AND THE UPPER AND LOWER PORCHES.
OKAY, SO, UM, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE, WELL, TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, UH, THE PROPERTY SHOWN ON SLIDE NINE AS A MUCH LARGER LOT AS OPPOSED TO THE, UH, SIDE PLAN YOU'RE SHOWING ON NUMBER 20.
SO I CAN YOU CONFIRM WHETHER YOU'RE PRO POSING TO REPL THIS INTO TWO LOTS? UM, THE, THE PROPERTY LEGALLY ALREADY CONSISTS OF TWO LOCKS, NO CLADDING WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, I KNOW THE OWNER'S ON THE LINE, HE COULD, HE COULD, UM, SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YEAH, I, I, UH, OBTAINED THE C O D TO BUILD, UH, UM, THESE TWO SEPARATELY FROM THAT, FROM, TO BUILD THEM, BUT TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD THE TWO HOUSES ON ONE SIDE AND, UM, I GUESS BUILD SOMETHING LATER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE, UM, LOT COVERAGE ON THE SITE PLANT FOR THE BUILDING AND DRIVEWAYS? UH, THE LOT COVERAGE OF THE BUILDINGS IS 32% OF THE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, BUT WE'RE AT 32% WITH THE BUILDINGS ALONE BECAUSE IT LOOKS A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT ON THE SIDE PLAN.
WELL, UH, WE DID THE MATH ON IT.
DO WE GET A CHANCE TO, UH, RESPOND TO THE CITY OR THE NEIGHBOR COMMENTS? SURE, YOU MAY RESPOND.
SO REGARDING THE COMMENT ON THE SETBACKS, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OFF OF AN AERIAL IMAGE, UM, SHORT OF SURVEYING THE ENTIRE BLOCK BASE, UM, WHICH IS, WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, RIGHT? AND, AND TO GET ACCURACY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE A SURVEYOR DO IT.
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE MATCHING THE HISTORIC SETBACK LINES THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR EXHIBITS.
UM, THE, UM, WHAT ELSE WAS COMMENTED REGARDING THE TWO STORY ASPECT OF IT? YOU KNOW, I THINK STAFF REVIEWED THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WITHIN, UH, GUIDELINES ON THAT, RIGHT? SO, UH, WE DID DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO BREAK UP THE MASSING WITH THE PORCHES TO HELP TO ALLEVIATE THE TRANSITION FROM THE TWO STORY DOWN TO THE ONE STORY TO THE SOUTH OF US.
UM, AND LASTLY, REGARDING THE, THE HOMES FRONTING PINE, UH, WE DID SUBMIT A HISTORIC SANBORN MAP AS PART OF OUR EXHIBITS THAT, UM, SHOWS FURTHER ILLUSTRATES, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE WENT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, A BLOCK FURTHER NORTH OF US JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THE PATTERN SOUTH OF US.
WE STARTED GETTING INTO THE 300 BUILDING AND CEMETERIES, RIGHT? SO WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPLICABLE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW HOMES FACING PINE STREET, RIGHT? AND, AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE THAT HISTORICALLY THE, THE HOME THAT WAS ON LOT EIGHT WAS A LOT, UH, FURTHER NORTH, OR I'M SORRY, UH, FURTHER SETBACK INTO THE FRONT SETBACK COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO WE'RE GOING, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE RESPECTFUL OF WHAT, WHAT'S THERE TODAY.
UM, I DON'T MIND GRANTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO THE APPLICANT.
HE IS BEEN THROUGH THE COMMISSION BEFORE WITH OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT KNOWS THAT CONCEPTUAL IS NOT FINAL, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN STILL, I MEAN, STIPULATIONS IS PROBABLY MUCH AGREEING TO ALL OF THEM, SO WE'LL KEEP THE STIPULATIONS,
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UM, JUST FOR ADMINISTRATIVES, MAKE SURE THAT WE TOUCH ON THOSE.UM, BEFORE THE FINAL, I DO WOULD LIKE TO
I DO CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS.
THIS LOT WAS NOT, UM, PLOTTED AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO IF THE FUTURE IS THAT OTHER PROPERTIES WILL BE ON THAT LOT, MAYBE TO CONSIDER BUILDING TWO TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAN STILL BE A TWO STORY.
UM, HAVE IT LESS THAN 27 FEET, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT ONE STORY AND THE 27 ON BUILDING ONE IF, UH, STAFF CAN SHOW THAT HILL GOING UP.
MAYBE IT WILL JUST BE A LITTLE BIT, YEP, THERE YOU GO.
SO YOU HAVE THE TWO STORY ON PINE AND THEN YOU ON 3 0 3.
UM, SO MAYBE JUST DO A LITTLE BIT, UH, THE BUILDING TOO.
YOU CAN PROBABLY DO IT A LITTLE BIT, UH, LOWER ON THE HEIGHT OF THAT.
THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M OKAY GRANTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO THE THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I'M, I, UH, SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
BUT I, I ALSO CONCUR WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTS ABOUT A FEW MODIFICATIONS TO, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE.
I THINK, UH, THEY MADE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT THAT IF THEY'RE BEING MORE INSPIRED BY SAY A, UM, ANY, UH, CRAFTSMAN, UH, STYLE, UH, FOR ONE OF THEM IN A, UH, SORT OF TORIAN WITH THE OTHER, THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME LATITUDE ON THE COLUMN SIZES AS REQUESTED, AS WELL AS JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE, UH, ON THE WATERFALL SIDING AND THE, THE CORNERED, UH, DETAIL REQUIREMENTS.
SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE BEING MODIFIED TO PERMIT A LARGER COLUMN 12 INCH BY 12 INCH SQUARE ON THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE INSPIRED HOME.
AND THAT THE, UH, SIDING STIPULATION PERMIT CORNER TRIM TO TAKE PLACE AND, AND TO ACCEPT, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN AS AN APPROPRIATE SIGHTING AS WELL.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAYYY.
AYE, AS A REMINDER, ITEMS, UM, 20 AND 21, UM, HAVE BEEN POSTPONED.
UM, ITEMS 22 AND 23 HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN THAT US
[24. 20-5520 Address/Description: 1013 E CROCKETT ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-396 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Erik Campos/CAMPOS ERIK Request: Carport installation City Council Dist.: 2]
TO ITEM 24.UM, WE, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, CASE NUMBER 20 23 96 AT 10 13 EAST CROCKETT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN ATTACHED CARPORT THAT DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDING THAT RECOMMENDS THE ATTACHED CARPORT IS REMOVED AND THE APPLICANT MAY RESUBMIT A REVISED DESIGN OF A DETACHED STRUCTURE THAT EXCLUDES POLYCARBONATE ROOFING PANELS.
THIS CASE DID COME TO US AS A COMPLIANCE CASE AND THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. ERIC CAMPOS IS ON THE LINE.
ERIC, IF, UH, YOU'RE THERE, YOU CAN UNMUTE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
HEY EVERYBODY, THIS IS ERIC CAMPOS.
I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO APOLOGIES UP FRONT.
UM, THANKS FOR, UH, HEARING ME TODAY.
UM, SO I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH
AND, UH, THIS TURNED OUT TO, TO BE A, UH, A PROJECT FOR ME AND MY WIFE TO DO TOGETHER DURING THE COVID.
AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE, UH, APPARENTLY NOT THE THING TO DO.
SO, UM, WE DID THOUGH TAKE TIME TO GO AROUND, UH, DIGNA WITTY.
WE DID FIND 21, UH, PROPERTIES THAT DID HAVE, UH, ATTACHED CARPORTS TO THEM IN THE DIGNA WITTY HILLS AREA OF, UH, AND I GUESS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THE BEST AND MOST ECONOMICAL WAY TO SORT OF KEEP, UH, WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE IT HAS, UM, REALLY PROVIDED A LOT OF GREAT SHADE AND GREAT, UH, UH, JUST, JUST VISUAL FROM,
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FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE.WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS.
IT'S BEHIND OUR FENCE LINE AS WELL.
AND, UM, TO BE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT, LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN OUT THERE IN JUST THE GENERAL 21 PROPERTIES THAT WE WERE, UM, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND WE IDENTIFIED THAT HAD, UH, ATTACHED, UH, UH, CARPORTS TO THEIR HOME.
AND THE HOMES WERE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF, UH, OF THE LIFECYCLE.
THEY HAD SOME THAT WERE COMPLETELY RENOVATED.
THEY HAD BRAND NEW HOMES, THEY HAD HOMES THAT WERE NOT RENOVATED.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST COMING TO YOU GUYS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO HOPEFULLY KEEP IT, HOPEFULLY NOT HAVE TO KNOCK IT DOWN.
OBVIOUSLY, IN GENERAL, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A STRANGE ECONOMIC TIME, AND SO JUST KIND OF WASTING AWAY AND, UH, USING THAT MONEY AND KIND OF WASTING THAT MONEY WOULD BE, WOULD NOT VERY BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
UM, BUT IT ALSO, ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT TOO IS THAT IT DOES PROTECT AGAINST THE WATER DAMAGE THAT STARTED TO, HAS STARTED TO KIND OF BEEN NOTICEABLE IN THE HOME, UH, ON THE, UH, EAST FACADE, UM, BEFORE, ESPECIALLY DURING A LOT OF THE RAINS, UH, PORTIONS OF THIS, UH, PAST SUMMER, WHICH IS INTERESTING.
BUT, UM, WE NOTICED AND WE STARTED BUILDING THAT OUT THAT, UM, SOME OF THE WATER WHERE THE SIDING WOULD START TO SWELL IN CERTAIN AREAS, UH, DIDN'T OCCUR ANYMORE.
UM, AREAS WHERE THE SUN WAS POUNDING ON THE SIDE OF THE FACADE THERE, UH, A LOT LESS, UM, I GUESS WEAR AND TEAR FROM A WEATHERING PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO THAT'S, I I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOU GUYS TIME, OBVIOUSLY.
I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO MOST OF THIS MEETING HERE.
UH, AGAIN, I'M JUST A HOMEOWNER.
UM, I'VE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO MY WHOLE LIFE.
I'M A VETERAN, AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT, IT LOOKS REALLY GREAT.
I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF, UH, COM, UH, LIKE I SAID, COMPLIMENTS ABOUT IT.
UH, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO EITHER RENT THE HOUSE OR SELL THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, EVERYBODY WHO'S COME AND LOOKED AT IT, UH, GIVES HIGH KUDOS ON THAT PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
UM, TO ME IT IS FARTHER BACK THAN, LIKE I SAID, THE 21 PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ATTACHED CARPORTS TO THEM.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE POLYCARBONATE, UM, I GUESS THE ROOFING, UM, MOST OF THE ROOFING FOR THE OTHER PROPERTIES OR THAT HAVE THE ATTACHED CARPORTS, UM, THEY'RE EITHER WEATHER DAMAGED, THEY'RE METAL, UM, SOME ARE JUST, UH, JUST, UH, WHATEVER THROWN UP ON THERE.
AND SO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS TERRIBLE.
I THINK A LOT OF OF PEOPLE ENJOY IT.
A LOT OF, UH, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALL GIVEN COMPLIMENTS TO IT.
UM, SO I, I, I'M, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY IT, GUYS.
UH, LIKE I SAID, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU THE TIME AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS ALL I CAN DO AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL LOVE SEE IT, UH, THE SAME WAY THAT I DO BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, UH, DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MINE AND THE OTHER 21 PROPERTIES IN DIGNITY HILLS AND WHY MINE HAS TO, UM, MINE HAS TO GO VERSUS THE OTHERS.
UH, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE DO, UM, JUST TO, UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT.
WE SUPPORT O AHPS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REMOVAL OF THE UNREVIEWED AND PERMITTED ATTACHED CARPORT.
SECOND COMES FROM ARVIS HOLLAND, THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY ERIC CAMPOS FOR CARPORT INSTALLATION.
UPON REVIEW, THE H PARK DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED IN SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, I TEND TO AGREE AND SUPPORT, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT'S, UH, ASSOCIATION'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD DISASSEMBLE THAT BUT SALVAGE THE MATERIAL AND MOVE IT BACK, UH, AND BUY A COUPLE EXTRA COLUMNS AND HAVE IT BE SELF-SUPPORTED? SO THAT'S NOT A TOTAL BUST, UM, AND LOSS OF, OF MATERIAL AND, UH, ADDITIONAL EXPENSE, BUT COME BECOME SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SYMPATHETIC THAN, THAN A STRUCTURE THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ATTACHED TO THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
I MEAN, WOULD THAT, TO YOUR QUESTION THERE? SO, UM,
AND, UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR THAT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CAR POLYCARBON MOST EXPENSIVE PIECE
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INVESTMENT THAT'S GONNA BE DOWN DRAIN.I MEAN, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT, THAT HAS A BUNCH OF ATTACHED TO THE ROOF PORTION.
I MEAN, THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE CAR WAS TO, TO PRESERVE THE, UH, THE HOME OUTSIDE AS WELL AS THAT PARKED THERE OR ANY PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, AGAIN, I EITHER, UH, THAT HAVE ATTACHED CARPORT, SO I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, EVEN THOUGH THE, I GOT TWO LETTERS THERE, WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER 21 PROPERTIES? WHAT'S, WHAT MAKES THOSE DIFFERENT VERSUS MINE? AND, UM, HOW CAN WE FIND SOME SORT OF MEDIUM, UH, OPTIMAL SPACE WHERE WE CAN AGREE UPON? YEAH, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DUNNO, ABOUT 70% OF THAT RE REPLY WAS MARY GARBLED.
I COULDN'T BARELY HEAR YOU OTHER THAN THE VERY PORTION LAST PORTION THERE.
WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE YOU, UM, WHERE I LEFT OFF, I APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS, UH, BUT MR. CAMPOS, WE CAN, IT'S REALLY LIKE, I WOULD SAY IT'S 80% OF IT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON.
IT SOUNDS LIKE HE COULD BE OPEN TO THAT IDEA.
I WAS GONNA, UH, PROPOSE SOMETHING SIMILAR.
MY ONLY HEIGHT, I MEAN, I'M SURE IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE ABOVE THE WINDOW.
I SAY WE APPROVE THE HEIGHT OF WHAT'S GOT ON THE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER RIGHT SIDE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE AN INCLINE, UH, FOR MAYBE STAFF COULD JUST LOOK AT A REVISED DRAWING.
I'M OKAY WITH THE MATERIAL SINCE THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY REMOVED.
AND I SAY TO THE APPLICANT THAT ANY WATER DAMAGE OR ANY WATER ALSO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GUTTERS ON YOUR HOME, AND YOU COULD ALSO MITIGATE THE SUN BY INSTALLING SOME, UH, WINDOW, UH, UM, JUST COVERINGS.
OKAY, WELL, AGAIN, I'D BE OPEN TO, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HEAR ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I'M TRYING TO FIND A SPACE IN THE HOUSE THAT, UH, GIVES ME SOME GOOD RECEPTION HERE, BUT I, I, AGAIN, I'M, I'M OPEN TO SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT FINE, IF I HAVE TO REMOVE THE POLYCARBONATE PORTION OF IT, UM, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
UM, THE STRUCTURE, IF WE WANTED TO BE DETACHED, UM, I CAN SUBMIT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS AGAIN, DO I JUST SUBMIT THE PLANS TO SHOW HOW I'M, I MEAN, I'M BASICALLY GONNA USE THE SAME TYPE OF COLUMNS OR THE, THE, THE, THE POSTS TO DETACH IT AND SECURE THEM AGAINST THE CONCRETE THAT'S LAID ON THE FLOOR THERE AND, UM, DETACH THE, THE, THE, THE WOOD THAT'S THERE AND ATTACH IT TO THE, TO THE POSTS.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW, DO I NEED TO SUBMIT NEW PLANS OR WILL WE HELP ME THROUGH THAT? UH, AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.
I'M A I'M JUST A NORMAL PERSON.
I DON'T HAVE YOUR BACKGROUND AND, UH, SO I'M LOOKING AT ANY HELP.
IT'D BE GREAT ONCE WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND REQUIREMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.
STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU ON, ON MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
ARE THERE, IF WE APPROVE A, UM, DETACHED CARPORT HERE, ARE THERE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON THE SIDE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? YEAH, POTENTIALLY.
UM, USUALLY, UM, IT'S THREE FEET, UM, INCLUDING THE OVERHANG.
SO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, WITH STAFF TO SEE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
SO THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE ALWAYS RETICENT AGAINST, UH, DENYING THINGS OUTRIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'LL JUST BE CLEANER IF WE DENY THIS AND HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT COME BACK, WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH STAFF ON A, A PROPOSED, UH, REDESIGN OF THIS, UH, WHERE HE CAN SALVAGE AS MUCH AS HE CAN AND, UH, ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES OF SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WITH, UH, RELUCTANCE, I MOVE FOR WORK DENIAL.
I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE.
ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY.
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OKAY.[25. 20-5524 Address/Description: 244 GREENLAWN HDRC Case No.: 2020-399 Historic District Name: Greenlawn Estates Applicant: Mariah Ballwz Request: Construction of a 347-square-foot rear addition, fenestration modifications, window replacement, door replacement, driveway modifications, Historic Tax Certification City Council Dist.: 1]
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 25.ITEM NUMBER 25 H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 3 99 2 44 GREEN LAWN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE 20 EXISTING WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
TWO, MODIFY WINDOW OPENINGS TO INSTALL ARCHED WINDOWS.
REPLACE FRENCH DOORS ON THE NORTH FACADE WITH A WINDOW.
REPLACE THE EXISTING REAR DOORS WITH STEEL DOORS.
CONSTRUCTIVE 347 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION, SIX COMPLETE DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS AND SEVEN, RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIRS WOOD WINDOW NUMBER THREE IN PLACE.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS WITH STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS.
ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MODIFYING THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING TO INSTALL ARCH WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING D.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REPLACING THE EXISTING FRENCH DOORS ON THE NORTH FACADE WITH A WINDOW BASED ON BINDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING REAR DOORS BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD DOORS AND THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MEASURED ELEVATION DRAWINGS OF THE ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ITEM SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING H AND ITEM SEVEN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION BASED ON FINDINGS I AND J UH, THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FRENCH DOORS WITH A WINDOW, AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS THE DISCUSSION ON THAT.
MARIAH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YES.
HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING TODAY? THANK Y'ALL FOR TAKING, I ONLY WANNA GO OVER THE FRENCH DOORS.
SO THE ISSUE WITH THE FRENCH DOORS IS THAT THEY WERE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ALWAYS A WINDOW.
IT GOT SWITCHED SOMETIME AFTER 2005.
UM, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE PICTURE OF THE DOOR, YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE KIND OF THE FRAMING OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW BEHIND THE DOOR.
SO PRETTY MUCH I WANNA BRING THE HOME BACK UP TO ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF HAVING THE WINDOW THERE.
ALSO, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DOOR, THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR, THE STEP IS REALLY HIGH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE A SAFE ENTRYWAY DOOR TO EVEN GO INTO, EVEN GIVEN THAT THAT PORCH IS RIGHT, RIGHT BELOW THAT AREA.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A WINDOW CHANGED SOMETIME AFTER 2005, WHICH I DO HAVE A PHOTO OF, UM, BEFORE THAT CHANGE WAS MADE.
AND I WOULD JUST, I DIDN'T LIKE TO BRING IT UP TO HAVE THAT ORIGINAL WINDOW BACK.
UM, STAFF, WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS, DO WE? WE DO NOT.
UM, I, I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT ON ITEM THREE.
AND I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS. UM, 1, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX WITH, UH, CAP STIPULATIONS.
THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN AND I SECOND CERTAINLY AMENDMENT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO THE APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
CAN THAT BE INCLUDED IN THIS MOTION? MY APOLOGIES.
UM, ALSO INCLUDE ITEM SEVEN AND SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAYYY.
[26. 20-5528 Address/Description: 103 FIR HDRC Case No.: 2020-398 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: STATT PROPERTIES INC Request: Exterior alterations City Council Dist.: 1]
AND DO WE HAVE, WE FOR ITEM 26? YES.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26, CASE NUMBER 20 23 98 AT 1 0 3 FUR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE ONE WINDOW WITH A PEDESTRIAN DOOR AND WOOD STEPS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION SHOULD BE RESTORED IF THE COMMISSION IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE.
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FINDS THAT A STYLE APPROPRIATE SALVAGED WOOD DOOR SHOULD BE USED INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM AND THE NEW DOOR OPENING SHOULD FEATURE A MATCHING WOOD SCREEN AS THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR.THIS ALSO CAME TO US AS A COMPLIANCE CASE FOR WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL, AND THE APPLICANT OTTO IS ON THE LINE.
OTTO, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UM, MY, MY, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS, UH, WE, WE DID, UH, THE WORK, AND I APOLOGIZE.
WE, WE SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, BUT, UM, WE PROBABLY GOT AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITH THEN, UH, THIS HOUSE AS, AS YOU MENTIONED IT, IT, IT WAS A BOUGHT, I MEAN, IT WAS CREATED IN, UH, 19 20, 19 10, UH, AND THEN CONVERTED 1951.
UH, WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FROM MY AUNT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO WE'RE, UM, NEW, NEW TO THAT, UH, TO THE HOUSE.
UM, THAT HOUSE OR THAT APARTMENT ONLY HAD AN OPENING ON COMING INTO THE REAR, COMING THROUGH TO THE REAR, INTO THE KITCHEN.
AND FROM THE KITCHEN IT GOES INTO THE REST OF THE, THE APARTMENT.
THE OPENING BETWEEN THE KITCHEN AND THE REST OF THE HOUSE WAS ONLY 24 INCHES WIDE.
UM, SO ANY, ANY TENANT THAT WANTED TO COME IN AND BRING IN FURNITURE INTO THE HOUSE, UH, WOULD HAVE TO COME IN THROUGH THE FRONT OPENING, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE ARE YOU, ARE YOU, ARE WE DELAYED ON? YES, YOUR HONOR.
WE CAN HEAR YOU AND WE HAVE THE PHOTOS UP ON THE SCREEN.
I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE SCREEN.
WE'RE NOT THERE YET, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO WHAT, WHAT, SO WHAT WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK ONE OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, UM, UH, AND REMOVED THE EXISTING WINDOW AND WE INSTALLED A, A DOOR.
UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A LONG TIME.
WE HAD SOME OTHER RENTAL HOUSES IN THE, IN LACA NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE SHOP AT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
WE SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
UM, AT THE TIME, THAT WAS THE, THE BEST DOOR AVAILABLE, UH, THAT WE COULD FIND, UH, THE ALUMINUM DOOR.
UM, BUT WE DID NOT, UH, UH, DIMINISH OR, OR, OR, OR ENLARGE THE, THE OPENING, IT WAS EXACT WINDOW WAS THE EXACT SAME SIZE AS THE DOOR THAT WE REPLACED.
AND SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE REMOVE THE, THE OLD WINDOW, WE, WE DID NOT, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO SALVAGE THE, THE WINDOW.
UM, SO I HOPE OR RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE KEEP THE WINDOW AND I CAN'T, UH, I MEAN, I, I, I GO THE KING WILLIAM AREA AND OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS TO LOOK AT DOORS OR OTHER DOORS, AND I FOUND SOME OTHER DOORS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
UM, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO HELP ME, YOU KNOW, MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
I, I WAS HAVING A LITTLE BIT TERM UNDERSTANDING THE PURPOSE OF THE DOOR.
SO IF, OR YEAH, IF, IF YOU GO TO THE VERY TOWARDS THE BACK, UH, LOWER PICTURES OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU GO TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S AN OPENING, A 36 INCH OPENING, WHICH COMES INTO THE KITCHEN.
AND THEN BETWEEN THE KITCHEN AND THE REST OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S A 24 INCH OPENING.
SO ANYBODY THAT NEEDED TO BRING ANY FURNITURE WOULD HAVE TO RE, WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE THE SCREEN WINDOW OR THE SCREEN LIFT THE WINDOW, AND THEY WOULD, THEY WERE BRINGING IN, UM, ANY FURNITURE INTO THE HOUSE FOR THE FRONT WINDOW.
THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GET, UH, ANYTHING THAT WAS A COUCH.
UH, MATTRESSES WAS THE ONLY WAY TO BRING IT INTO THE APARTMENT WAS THROUGH THE BACK ENTRYWAY, WHICH IS IT, IT, IT, WE COULDN'T DO THAT
UH, WE COULD NOT, WE COULD ADJUST THE EXISTING EXTERIOR DOOR, BUT NOT THE DOOR BETWEEN THE KITCHEN TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
THOSE ARE THOSE BEDROOM WALLS DID ON THE EXTERIOR WAS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THE INTERIOR.
SO IF YOU HAD MADE THAT CHANGE IN THE INTERIOR DOOR, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE EXTERIOR.
I THINK THE, THE CHANGE THAT YOU MADE IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE.
UH, I MEAN, REMOVING A WINDOW, PUTTING THE DOOR AND THE REPLACEMENT IS NOT REALLY WHAT,
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LIKE YOUR, THE BEST SOLUTION WOULD PROBABLY BE, REVERSE IT TO WHAT IT WAS, AND THEN DO MODIFICATIONS ON THE INSIDE AS YOU NEED.UH, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S AT, IT'S A LOAD-BEARING WALLS.
UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SCROLL TO TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE, TOWARDS THE LOWER SLIDE OF THE, THE PRESENTATION? I, HELLO.
YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S, THOSE ARE LOAD-BEARING WALLS, RIGHT WHERE THE, WHERE THE ENTRY DOOR IS TO THE KITCHEN AND THE REST OF THE APARTMENT.
THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE OTHER DOOR ON THE FRONT THAT'S GOING INTO THE KITCHEN, BUT BEFORE THAT, UH, COREY, DID WE HAVE COMMENTS? WE DO NOT.
I THINK I, I THINK I READ A LETTER.
DID WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THERE'S A WILLIAM, A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IS, IF WE, THE IMAGE OF THE FRONT PORCH? SO THERE'S TWO DOORS THAT ARE, THERE'S TWO DOORS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE YOU ADDED THE THIRD DOOR ONTO THE FRONT PORCH.
WHAT DID YOU PROPOSE TO DO WITH THE, UH, THE MIDDLE DOOR? WHAT? THE MIDDLE DOOR'S ALREADY THERE.
YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT'S THREE DIFFERENT UNITS.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S THERE NOW, IT, IT GOES TO THE UPSTAIRS, UH, APARTMENT LITTLE, A STUDIO UPSTAIRS.
SO IT'S THE REAR ENTRANCE THAT YOU SAY THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE FURNITURE.
I REALLY AGREE WITH, UH, STAFF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER ON THIS.
AND UH, UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE IF IT HAS SUPPORT.
IF IT DOESN'T, WE CAN TAKE THE OPPOSITE MOTION, UM, AND MOVE FOR DENIAL BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR DENIAL.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE.
RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAYYY.
BEFORE WE GET INTO, UH, THE LAST AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 27, WHICH IS 3 35 TRAIL, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
YEAH, WE ARE LIVE AND WE DO HAVE LOT, WE DO HAVE LOTS OF COMMENTS TO READ.
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORICAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND WE PROCEED WITH THE NEXT CASE.
[27. 20-5556 Address/Description: 335 TRAIL HDRC Case No.: 2020-402 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: David Morin/MNO Investments, LLC Request: Consideration and action of an application for a multi-unit residential development: 1. Waiver of the one-year waiting period of subsequent application for multi-unit residential development as provided for by Section 35-451(f) of the Unified Development Code, and if approved; 2. Consideration of a request of a Certificate of Appropriateness for Construction City Council Dist.: 1]
EDWARD, IF YOU COULD START READING ITEM 27 TO THE RECORD.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 24 0 2 3 35 TRAIL.
THERE ARE TWO ITEMS. UH, REQUEST ITEMS TODAY.
ITEM A, THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 35 4 51 F TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR THE REQUEST DESCRIBED BELOW, WHICH IS ITEM B.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-FAMILY MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
21 UNITS ON THE VACANT LOT LOCATED AT 3 35 TRAIL.
THE PROPERTY FEATURES LOTS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY ONLY, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO FEATURE TWO, TWO AND A HALF AND THREE STORIES IN IKE.
ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED FROM TRAIL STREET AND
THIS REQUEST INCLUDES VISED PARKING, BUILDING DESIGN, AND BUILDING MASSING ITEM A STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSAL RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN SUFFICIENTLY REVISED TO WARRANT APPROVAL OF A WAIVER OF THE ONE YEAR TIME LIMITATION.
RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM B STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED
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DRIVEWAY FOR THE THIRD BUILDING ON TRAIL BE DEVELOPED WITH A LICENSE ARBORIST AND COORDINATED BETWEEN O H P AND THE CITY ARBORIST.THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ADJACENT HERITAGE TREE.
TWO, THAT ALL WINDOWS FOLLOW SA STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AS NEVER IN FINDING O PROPER INSTALLATION.
DEPTHS AND TRIM AND SEAL DETAILS MUST BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN THREE THAT ALL GAINED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION IF AT LEAST SIX INCHES IN WIDTH IS NOTED IN THE FINDINGS.
FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURE FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, THE CRIMP RIDGE SEAM ARE LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP IN THE STANDARD BALLOON FINISH.
IF A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP IS USED, IT MUST BE SUBMITTED TO O H B STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
ADDITIONALLY, ALL OF THEM, ALL OTHER MATERIALS ARE TO ADHERE TO THE SPECIFICATIONS.
OUTLINED IN FINDING N SAW THAT THE APPLICANT USE A FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS WITHIN ONE FOOT OF DOSE ON HISTORICALLY ON TRAIL IS NOTED IN FINDING N FIX IT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW AT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING P SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC REQUIREMENTS REGARDING EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, AUTOMOBILE ACCESS, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, AND PARKING.
ANY RESULTING CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AS A RESULT OF THESE REVIEW SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SUBSTANTIAL ESSENTIALLY APPROVED SITE PLAN MAY REQUIRE FUTURE H D R C REVIEW.
NEW AREAS OF PAVEMENT ON RESEARCH MUST BE OUS MATERIALS AS ALLOWABLE WITHIN PUBLIC WORK STANDARDS.
THAT ALL WALKWAYS BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND PROFILE AND MATERIAL CONTINUOUS CONCRETE WITHIN AN APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR FEET.
AS NOTED IN FINDING W AND NINE REGARDS TO ARCHEOLOGY, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY YET FOR LABOR, BORA SAKE SHALL BE PRESERVED AND SHALL NOT BE IMPACTED BY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
STAFF HAS GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT THE SENSITIVITY OF THE SITE AND THE IMPACTS OF CONSTRUCTION TO THE ASAKIA.
DETAILED CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AND PROVIDED PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL.
THAT INCLUDES THE LIMITS OF CONSTRUCTION IN PROXIMITY TO THE HISTORIC ESTATE AND MEASURES TAKING TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL IMPACTS IN YOUR CONSTRUCTION.
THE U D C SECTION 35 6 72 DOES NOT ALLOW DRAINAGE INTO THE ASAKIA.
MOREOVER, THE FORMAL CONSTRUCTION PLAN SHOULD IDENTIFY NO SUBSURFACE WORKS, UTILITIES, GRADING, ET CETERA WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE X
NO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WILL OCCUR WITHIN THE BUFFER AREA, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO A PROPOSED WALKING TRAIL IN PERGOLA INFIELD PROTECTION OF THE
THIS FENCING SHOULD BE PRESENT ON SITE UNTIL CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.
AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE ASA SHALL NOT BE USED FOR STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
FURTHERMORE, THE ASAA SHALL NOT BE USED FOR STORAGE EQUIPMENT CLEANING OR ANY OTHER USE DURING DEVELOPMENT THAT IT COULD IMPACT THE FEATURE AND HAVE THE APPLICANT.
UM, DAVID, THIS IS COREY BEFORE YOU.
UM, BEFORE WE START, JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THERE ARE THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AREA.
UM, WE HAVE SIX COMMISSIONERS, SO WE DO LOSE ONE OF YOU DUE TO THUNDERSTORM RELATED ISSUES.
UM, WE'LL LOSE QUORUMS, SO WE'LL HAVE TO PAUSE, BUT WE'RE JUST KEEPING EYE ON THAT.
UM, DAVID, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES THEN YOU WILL UM, WE WILL, I'M SORRY, DAVID, CAN YOU HEAR ME? COREY? I'M SORRY.
THAT WAS JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR COMMISSIONERS.
YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE.
UM, THEN WE WILL PROVIDE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE ITEM AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK THE COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX OUT OF THE 11, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS AND WE NEED A MAJORITY VOTE OF ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO WE'RE GONNA NEED SIX OUT OF 11 COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THAT CHANGES WERE MADE.
UM, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND, AND WE'VE BEEN ON A FEW D R C CALLS WITH, WITH SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE ON THE CALL TODAY.
I, I WANTED TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS IF, IF WE GO FORWARD TODAY WITH THIS HEARING, UM, AND WE ARE UNABLE TO AND HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER DENIED THE WAIVER IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK OR GET A CONTINUANCE AT THE VERY LEAST, UH, WITH, WITH MORE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I WANTED TO GET EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME TODAY.
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A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND IF THERE WAS A MOTION FOR THE WAIVER THAT WAS NOT APPROVED TODAY, THEN THE SAME ITEM COULD NOT RETURN.THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGES TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
AND I THINK WE'LL DO A CONTINUANCE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALMA.
UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AND VOICEMAILS AND SCHEDULED CALLS FOR THIS ITEM.
UM, ARE WE OBLIGATED TO READ THOSE FOR THIS ITEM NOW OR CAN WE POSTPONE THOSE ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION? HELLO? DAVID, ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
DID THE APPLICANT REQUEST A CONTINUANCE AT THIS MOMENT? YES.
SO, DAVID, TO CONFIRM YOU'RE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT H C R C HEARING, WHICH IS OCTOBER 7TH, WE WOULD, UM, PREFER IF POSSIBLE A SPECIAL HEARING WHERE MORE COMMISSIONERS MIGHT BE ABLE TO ATTEND.
I KNOW THESE, THESE USUALLY LAST A LONG TIME WITH THE LARGE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES.
WE CAN'T COMMIT TO A DATE THAT'S NOT ON THE SCHEDULE YET.
UM, WE ALSO DO NEED ACTION BY THE COMMISSION TO POSTPONE THAT ITEM SINCE IT WAS BEING REQUESTED HERE, WHILE THE ITEM IS UP FOR DISCUSSION, COREY, THIS COMMISSIONER FISH CAN PPLICANT JUST WITHDRAW.
THEY WOULD NEED TO RESUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION AND FOLLOW THE APPLICATION SCHEDULE.
THE, THE DEADLINE FOR OCTOBER 7TH HAS NOT PASSED YET, SO THERE IS AVAILABILITY FOR THAT.
SO COURT, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF, IF WE, IF A, IF A COMMISSION ACTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IS REQUIRED, THEN WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
IF THE APPLICANT WITHDRAWS AND APPLIES FOR THE NEXT DATE, THEN WE DO NOT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, I BELIEVE WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE THE COMMENTS ALONG WITH THE ITEM.
I JUST WANT CONFIRMATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON, OKAY.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE, NOT A WITHDRAWAL.
THE COMMISSION HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER AND WHETHER OR NOT TO TAKE ACTION TO GRANT THAT CONTINUANCE.
SO I GUESS WE WOULD NEED A MOTION.
WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT A CONTINUANCE AT THIS TIME.
IS THAT CORRECT? ESSENTIALLY, UM, WE COULD REALLY MAKE ANY MOTION ON THE ITEM THAT YOU'D LIKE TO.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO CONTINUE.
UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE.
PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY.
[Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for September 2, 2020.]
FROM SEPTEMBER 2ND.MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2020 SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND.
UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE.
ARE ALL OF THE, UH, PUBLIC LETTERS THAT CAME THROUGH AND ARE IN OUR PACKET, UM, ARE THOSE GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT? UM, TYPICALLY NOT BECAUSE WE RECEIVE THEM THE DAY OF.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME, UM, SOME VISUAL EXHIBITS THAT ARE PART OF THE, THE OPPOSITION THAT, UM, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD IF THE APPLICANT HAD THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THE NEXT HEARING.
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THANK YOU.