* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] LIVE? NO, LIVE. IT'S MEX , TWO, ONE, OR LIVE? WE'RE LIVE. SO WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. IT'S ONE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S ONE 50. AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT SO WE CAN DO THE WORKSHOP. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS ON ANY OF THE PLATS? NO, SIR. UM, IF THERE ARE NONE, IF THAT'S THE CASE. UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE VARIANCE? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, IT'S A TREE VARIANCE. I'M JUST WONDERING, CAN SOMEBODY VERIFY THAT IT, UM, EXCEEDED MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS? THE, UH, REGISTRAR DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE CALCULATIONS AND STUFF THAT ARE USUALLY IN THERE. UH, CHAIRMAN MARK BIRD HERE? YES, THEY DID. OH, CHAIRMAN. YES. THIS IS MARK BYRD. CITY ARBORIST. UH, THE, OKAY. THE APPLICANT DID, UH, EXCEED. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, NUMBER, IF NOT, CAN WE? NUMBER 13 WAS A DENIAL. I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, CAN WE GET THE RESPONSES AND LETTERS SENT AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF FOR THE AMENDMENTS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET YOU THAT IN A SECOND. THAT'S FOR YOU. OH, HI CHAIR. THIS IS CHRISTIE FLORES AND THE COUNSELOR AS FOLLOWS. STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS PA 51, THERE WERE THREE NOTICES RECEIVED. ONE IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 13, THERE WERE 16 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. SIX IN OPPOSITION, NINE IN OPPOSITION, OUTSIDE 200 FEET. ITEM NUMBER 14, WHICH TA NUMBER 58. THERE WERE NINE NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, NO RESPONSE FROM JEFFERSON HEIGHTS. AND THEN THE FINAL ITEM, ITEM 50. OH, SORRY, SECOND TO LAST ITEM. ITEM 15, PA 59. THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THEN ITEM 16, WHICH IS PA 61, THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM NORTHWEST CROSSING. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER 12? WHICH IS THE, THE, THEY'RE GOING FROM URBAN MIXED USE TO REGIONAL MIXED USE. UM, DID COUNT BULLIS RESPOND ON THAT ONE? ITEM NUMBER 12. WE'RE CHECKING. OKAY. YES, THEY DID. AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS. NO OBJECTIONS. OKAY. AND THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, IS THE, THE PLAN USE CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE, THE HOSPITAL COMPONENT TO IT? IT'S ALREADY ZONED C TWO, CORRECT? IF I'M REMEMBER LOOKING AT THAT ONE. SORRY, C THREE? UH, NO SIR. C THREE. OH, RIGHT, THIS IS C THREE FOR AN A COFFEE ROASTING FACILITY, IT REQUIRES THE S FOR COFFEE ROASTING FACILITY. OKAY. I GOT, I'M SORRY. I'VE GOT THE DEALS, I HAVE THEM MIXED UP, SO MY APOLOGIES. BUT AGAIN, SAME, SAME CONCEPT. IT'S JUST TO, TO MATCH THE, THE SPECIFIC, THE ZONING REQUEST UNDER C THREE, CORRECT? YES. THEY HAVE TO, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REGIONAL MIXED USE FOR THE C THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. WHAT WAS THE LAND USAGE CLASSIFICATION BEFORE? IT WAS URBAN MIXED USE. 'CAUSE URBAN MIXED USE IS, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE NEWER SA 2020, I MEAN SAY TOMORROW CLASSIFICATIONS, CORRECT? YES, IT IS. UM, U T S A AREA REGIONAL CENTER WAS ADOPTED. UH, I WANNA SAY, UH, EITHER EARLIER THIS YEAR, I THINK IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR OR LATE LAST YEAR. UM, I, I, I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE PREVIOUS LINE USE CLASSIFICATION WAS FOR THIS AREA. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I AM NOT SEEING ANY. [00:05:01] ANYBODY GOT A SEE NUMBER 13? THAT ONE IS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL, SO THAT WILL GO TO INDIVIDUAL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT NUMBER 13 AT THIS TIME? IF NOT MR. ANY QUESTIONS OR MR. YES. YES, THIS IS CHRISTIE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UH, VERY QUICKLY THAT, UM, I READ NOTICES THAT WERE 16 WERE MAILED AND, UH, MAILED, AND THEN NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, SIX WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. HOWEVER, WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE A COPY OF THAT, IS IT'S JUST THE SLIP OF PAPER THAT SAYS OPPOSED. IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL COMMENT. I DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THAT ITEM. ONE IS FROM SOMEONE THAT'S ANONYMOUS AND THE, AND THE OTHER ONE IS OUTSIDE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THAT CLARIFICATION. YOU'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. IT WAS JUST THE SPLIT JUST HAS AN X ON IT WITH OPPOSED BY SIX PEOPLE WITHIN THE 200. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. IF, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I DON'T REMEMBER. 13. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, UM, THEN WE'LL GO ON. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER 14, WHICH IS GOING FROM MIXED USE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. ITEM NUMBER 15, REGIONAL TO SPECIALIZED CENTER NUMBER 16. 16 IS THE HOSPITAL. YES. YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M A MIXED USE. MR. MR. CHAIR. UM, REALLY QUICK BACK TO THE PREVIOUS LINE ITEM. UM, CAN STAFF DEFINE SPECIALIZED, PLEASE? SPECIALIZED CENTER IS A LAND USE CLASSIFICATION THAT WAS CREATED WHEN THE SECTOR PLANS WERE ADOPTED. UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S A DESCRIPTION FOR, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES, UH, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY. SO, AND ACTUALLY IT COULD INCLUDE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES TOO. SO OFFICE SPARKS, LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES. THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS THE TERM IN SECTOR PLANS FOR YOUR INDUSTRIAL CATEGORIES. OKAY. AND, AND SO IT JUST HAS MORE THAN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. SO IT INCLUDES SEVERAL, IT'S LIKE AN UMBRELLA OF SEVERAL CATEGORIES. IS THAT RIGHT? STAFF? DID YOU HEAR THAT? REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION? SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON, I FORGOT. OKAY. UH, WHERE WAS I? SO SPECIALIZED CENTER INCLUDES IN, UH, YOUR MORE INTENSE OFFICE DISTRICTS, YOUR BUSINESS PARK DISTRICT, YOUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, QUARRY DISTRICTS. SO IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE YOUR BUSINESS PARKS, YOUR OFFICE PARKS, YOUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND YOUR GEN, AND YOUR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES. FOR THE NEW LAND USE CATEGORIES, WE'RE NOT USING SPECIALIZED CENTER ANYMORE. WE'RE BACK TO THE TYPICAL LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS OF INDUSTRIAL OR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. UH, BE BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR. SO IT'S JUST THIS IS AN OLD, OLD TERM USED IN THE SECTOR PLAN. UM, DID, DID WE REQUEST FOR THEM TO, TO GO AWAY FROM SPECIALIZED CENTER AND, AND ACTUALLY DEFINE IF THEY'RE GONNA GO TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL INSTEAD? WE CAN'T USE THAT UNTIL THIS PLAN IS UPDATED. SO ALL OF THE PLANS THAT, UH, ARE, ARE STILL IN EFFECT UTILIZE THOSE LINE USE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THAT PLAN UNTIL THE ESSAY TOMORROW PLANNING PROCESS GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF UPDATING THEM, UM, AND JUST LIKE THE U T S A ONE AND THEN GIVE THEM THE NEW LANDING CLASSIFICATION. SO WE, WE CAN'T USE THE NEW ONES YET IF THIS PLAN IS STILL IN EFFECT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. SO, SO THE PROPOSED USE OF LIGHT INDUSTRIALS NOT PERMITTED UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE OR REGIONAL CENTER. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK THIS ONE HAD A SURROUNDING KIND OF INDUSTRIAL USES, CORRECT? [00:10:02] I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION AGAIN, SIR? OH, UH, I THINK THIS, UM, THIS PLOT HAD, UM, THIS CASE HAD THE SURROUNDING AREAS WERE KIND OF MORE OF INDUSTRIAL USES ALREADY. IS THAT THIS ONE? YES. THERE'S A MIX OF REGIONAL PLUS SPECIALIZED CENTER, UH, PLUS, UH, SUBURBAN TIER AND AGRIBUSINESS TIER. SO THERE, THERE'S A MIXTURE. OKAY. UM, IT IS TWO O'CLOCK. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ADDITIONAL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE WORKSHOP PORTION OF TODAY'S ACTIVITIES? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. OKAY. UM, STEP, IT LOOKS LIKE WE JUST HAVE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM NUMBER 13, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, COMMUNITY COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE PLAYED OR ANYTHING? UH, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT FOR CONSENT. OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, UH, IS EVERYBODY READY TO GET STARTED? STAFF READY TO GET STARTED? YES, SIR. WE CAN JUST ROLL RIGHT INTO IT. UM, YOU CAN JUST START THE MEETING SINCE IT'S ALREADY AFTER TWO O'CLOCK. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, [Call to Order] LADIES. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER CARLOS GARCIA, AND I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND I HEAR RIGHT THE CALL TODAY'S MEETING TWO ORDER. IT IS 2:01 PM THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR TODAY'S ACTION PACK PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STAFF, PLEASE CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER JACKSON HERE. COMMISSIONER CARILLO. COMMISSIONER PROFIT HERE. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. MAKE SURE TO HIT ON MUTE, SIR. MUTE. OKAY, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER HERE. MICHAEL GARCIA. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER PECK HERE. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ HERE AND CHAIR GARCIA. PRESENT FORM IS PRESENT, SIR, THANK YOU. PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT. STAFF, PLEASE PROCEED TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF C 19. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/DSB OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT. STAFF WILL READ INTO THE RECORD ANY EMAILS OR LETTERS RECEIVED IF ASKED. STAFF WILL ALSO PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENTS. AND SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SUBMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, NOW WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW OUR [Consent Agenda] LIST TO SEE WHAT WILL BE ON CONSENT AND WHAT WILL BE ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UH, ITEM NUMBER 13 IS ON INDIVIDUAL AND THE REST OF TODAY'S AGENDA IS ON CONSENT. IS THAT CORRECT? OH, THAT IS CORRECT, YES. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL ANYTHING TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA? IF NOT, AND STAFF, PLEASE READ THE CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD. ALRIGHT. [00:15:01] THIS IS LOGAN WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM NUMBER 13, WHICH HAS BEEN PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. BALANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE CONSIDERED UNDER ONE COMBINED MOTION, UH, FOR CONSENT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA? COMMISSIONER PROFIT, MOVE FOR APPROVAL. WE HAVE A SECOND. COMMISSIONER PECK. I'LL SECOND THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PECK FROM COMMISSIONER PROFIT AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PECK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? STAFF PIECE ROLL. PAUL COMMISSIONER JACKSON? YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. MR. GARCIA? YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER PECK? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. AND CHAIR GARCIA? YES. MOTION PASSES. SIX TO ZERO. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS [13. 20-5411 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA-2020-11600056 (Council District 2): A request by Joe Monroe, applicant, for approval of a Resolution to amend the Eastern Triangle Community Plan, a component of the Comprehensive Master Plan of the City, by changing the future land use from “Park Open Space" to "Regional Commercial" on Lot TR-13, NCB 10747, located in the 100 block of Grobe Road. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Zoning Case Z-2020-10700192) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] ITEM NUMBER 13. STAFF YOU CAN PRESENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS CHRISTIE FLORES, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS THE REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE EASTERN TRIANGLE COMMUNITY PLAN FROM PARKS TO OPEN SPACE TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. LOCATED IN THE 100 BLOCK OF GROVE ROAD, THERE WERE 16 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, SIX RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND NINE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION FROM OUTSIDE 200 FEET. THE REQUEST OF PLAN AMENDMENT SPEAKS TO AMEND A TWO ACRE TRACK TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL IN THE INTERIOR OF A BLOCK. THE EASTERN TRIANGLE COMMUNITY PLAN CALLED FOR REGIONAL CENTER ON TRACKS LARGE TRACKS 20 OR MORE ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF LARGE ROADWAYS OR HIGHWAYS. THE PROPOSED PLAN AMENDMENT DOES NOT MEET THE SUGGESTED CHARACTERISTICS OF A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL SITE. FURTHER, THE NEW LAND USE CLASSIFICATION ALLOWS FOR HIGHER INTENSITY ZONING CATEGORIES WITHIN AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? UH, YES. THIS IS JOE MONROE. OKAY. UM, GO AHEAD AND PLEASE, UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSIONS. OKAY. UM, FIRST, UH, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY LOT THAT I PURCHASED TO, UH, EVENTUALLY BUILD MY OFFICE SPACE ON. I'M A, UH, CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, SMALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. I'VE BEEN BASED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO SINCE 2000 AND, UH, SEVEN. AND, AND NOW I JUST NEED A LARGER OFFICE BUILDING. AND WHAT I WAS PROPOSING WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD MY OFFICE BUILDING AND ALSO HAVE A SPACE FOR A CONFERENCE ROOM. UH, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE BLACK CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION AND WE HOLD, UH, MONTHLY MEETINGS AND SO FORTH. AND, AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING NICE, UH, ONE TO, FOR MY OFFICE SPACE. AND I THINK SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, THE COMMUNICATION GOT CONVOLUTED A LITTLE BIT. UM, WHEN THEY SAY GENERAL CONTRACTOR, LIKE I WAS BRINGING IN HEAVY EQUIPMENT, STUFF LIKE THAT. NO, I'M, I'M, IT'S ONLY MY OFFICE SPACE. THE LARGEST PIECE OF EQUIPMENT I HAVE IS MY F THREE 50 TRUCK THAT I DRIVE EVERY DAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS AND SO FORTH. BUT THERE, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NEXT TO RIGSBY, THE LOT, RIGHT NEXT TO RIGSBY IS A SIGN SHOP ALREADY WITH A ENTRANCE RIGHT NEXT TO MY BOUNDARY LINE. AND MY ENTRANCE TO MY LOT IS LIKE, UM, I GUESS ABOUT 30 FEET, 30 OR 40 FEET FROM THEIR ENTRANCE, IF YOU WOULD. AND SO IT WOULD NOT EVEN AFFECT ANY OF THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, EVERYONE ELSE LIVES DOWN THE STREET. I THINK RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY LOT, THERE'S ABOUT MAYBE THREE HOUSES THAT TAKE UP THE REST OF THAT BLOCK. UM, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO MY LOT IF YOU WOULD. AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE BIG CONCERN [00:20:01] AS TO WHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NEGATIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO BUILD AN OFFICE SPACE. UM, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE TO PRESENT. AND RIGHT BEHIND MY LOT, THERE'S A CHURCH. I KNOW THE LOT RIGHT NOW IS ZONED OR IT AS PARK, BUT WHEN I WENT TO THE ZONING BACK BEFORE THE COVID HIT, WHEN I WENT INTO THE OFFICE AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SPACE WILL NOT BECOME A PARK. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. AND I THINK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET NEXT TO RIGSBY ALSO, THERE WAS HIGH HEAVY EQUIPMENT UTILIZING THAT LOT AT ONE POINT. OKAY. SO I'M JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR FAVORABLE ACTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO BUILD MY OFFICE SPACE, I'M TRYING TO GROW MY BUSINESS AND IF NOTHING, UM, MY PLAN IS TO, UH, PUT THE ROD IRON FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, SIX FEET TALL, TALL AND THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING INSIDE OF MY LOT. SO THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON THE STREET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, MY, MY DRIVEWAY WOULD BE, AS SOON AS YOU TURN IN ON GROVE ROAD WOULD BE LIKE WITHIN 400 FEET. UM, NOT, MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THAT FAR, LIKE 200 FEET YOU WOULD TURN INTO MY DRIVEWAY. OKAY. UH, THAT'S YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UM, STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? YES, SIR. WE HAVE, UH, ONE VOICEMAIL AND ONE WRITTEN COMMENT. UH, WELL GO AHEAD AND PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. MY NAME IS DIANA MARTINEZ. MY NAME IS DIANA MARTINEZ AND I AM, I LIVE AT TWO SEVENTY ONE GROVEY ROAD. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 218-6362. AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDING TO THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF GROVEY ROAD AND RIGSBY. UH, THE LAST THREE NUMBERS OF THE CASE NUMBER ARE 0 5 6. I OPPOSE THIS CHANGE DESIGNATING THIS PROPERTY. AS COMMERCIAL OPENS A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A FACILITY THAT SERVES ALCOHOL SUCH AS A PARTY HOUSE OR A BAR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST WOULD INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF US HAVING DRUNK DRIVERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MANY FAMILIES, MANY OF US TAKE OUR CHILDREN FOR WALKS AND RIDE THEIR BIKES IN THE EVENING. HAVING A PARTY HOUSE OR, OR A BAR NEARBY WOULD ENDANGER THEIR LIVES. WE WOULD HAVE TO CURTAIL THESE ACTIVITIES AND IT, NOT TO MENTION THAT IT WOULD ALSO DECREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BAR OR DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT OR A STRIP MALL ON THE EAST SIDE. WHAT WE NEED ARE MORE LIBRARIES, MORE SENIOR CENTERS, MORE PARKS. PLEASE HELP US IMPROVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE QUALITY OF LIVES IN OUR EAST SIDE. DO NOT REZONE THIS PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN, CAN I COMMENT? UH, SIR, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO WANNA PUT THE PUBLIC, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU GET A CHANCE TO REBUT STAFF. GO AHEAD. YES, AND I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE THE ONE WRITTEN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. AND NORMALLY, UH, THIS IS JUST ENTERED INTO THE RECORD FOR THE MINUTES. HOWEVER, SINCE YOU DID NOT GET A COPY OF THIS ONE, WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ IT FOR THE RECORD. UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND NOTE THAT REGARDING CASE 20 21 1 6 0 5 6, BE AWARE THAT AS A PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 200 FEET, I OPPOSE THE AMENDMENT CHANGE. BUT I AM RELUCTANT TO SUBMIT MY COMMENTARY BECAUSE I FEAR RETRIBUTION FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER IN THE PAST. HE REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN CIVIL DISCOURSE WITH ME IN ORDER TO ADDRESS HIS COMPLAINTS ABOUT MY FAMILY. IF HE WERE TO LEARN THROUGH AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST OF MY OPPOSITION, HE COULD TRY TO CAUSE HARM. PAST EXPERIENCE WITH HIM INFORMED MY DECISION TO BE ANONYMOUS. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE TWO EXISTING BUSINESSES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF LOT T R 13, NC B 1 0 7 4 7, AND NEITHER IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED. GRAFF IS LEFT UNCHECKED. WESS ARE ALLOWED TO GROW TALL AND LITTER ACCUMULATES AT THE FENCE LINE. ADDITIONALLY, JUNK VEHICLES ARE STORED ON SITE IN FULL VIEW OF SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. THESE ESTABLISHMENTS ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ENTRANCE TO COMANCHE PARK, NEAR THE SATO CREEK TRAIL AND SOUTH SIDE LIONS PARK. THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND SERENITY OF THE AREA IS TARNISHED BY THESE UGLY BUSINESSES WHOSE OWNER OPERATORS DON'T EXHIBIT A BASIC RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY SIMPLY [00:25:01] MAINTAINING THEIR SITE AT THIS TIME. ADDING MORE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY WOULD BE TOO GREAT A RISK. WHAT IF THE NEW BUSINESS IS AS AWFUL AS THE ONES THERE NOW, ANONYMOUS COMMENTER, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. THANK YOU. AND NOW THE APPLICANT GETS A CHANCE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE COMMENTS. UM, YES. UM, WELL, THE LAST COMMENTS, UH, I'M NOT SURE I, I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS INDIVIDUAL IS AND I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONFLICT WITH ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I KNOW SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MAYBE HARMFUL OR SOMETHING TO HER OR REPERCUSSIONS. UM, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. THAT IS NOT ME, AND I WOULD NEVER ADDRESS ANYONE WITH DISRESPECT FIRST AND FOREMOST. OKAY. UM, SECONDLY, I'VE ALWAYS KEPT MY LOT CLEAN, EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T BUILT ANYTHING ON IT. THE GRASS IS CUT ON A REGULAR BASIS. UM, AND I'VE ONLY TRIED TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP BEAUTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WHAT I AM PROPOSING IS A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING, NOT A BAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I AM PROPO PROPOSING A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING AND WITH SPACE THAT IF THERE IS ANOTHER SMALL BUSINESS THAT, UH, INSURANCE COMPANY OR WHATEVER THAT JUST NEED AN OFFICE, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO RENT OUT AN OFFICE SPACE. UM, THIS IS NOT A STRIP MALL. IT IS STRICTLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, OFFICE SLASH CONFERENCE ROOM. UH, IF SOMEONE HAS A NEED TO HOLD CONFERENCES, I, LIKE I SAID, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE BLACK CONTRACTS ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET STARTED. WE WILL USE THAT SPACE FOR CLASSROOM SPACE, UM, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, AND I MEAN, THAT'S IT. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL I AM PROPOSING TO DO WITH THE SPACE. AND I UNDERSTAND, I'VE SEEN THE OTHER FACILITIES DOWN THE STREET, WHAT SHE IS REFERRING TO IN HER, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE JUNK CARS AND ALL THAT. I THINK IT'S A, SOME TYPE OF, UH, AUTO SHOP OR WHATEVER THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. WELL, I'M NOT THE ONE THAT HAS TO POLICE THAT UP. I'M SURE THERE'S ORDINANCE WITH THE CITY THAT BOUNDS THEM TO CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD ME AS FAR AS HAVING JUNK ON THE PROPERTY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UH, I AM TRYING TO RUN AND BUILD A REPUTABLE COMPANY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF, THAT MY CHILDREN CAN BE PROUD OF, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS TO COME. UM, AGAIN, UM, THERE'S, MY LOT IS SITUATED WHERE IT'S LOW IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WITH THE ENTRANCE BEING AS CLOSE AS IT IS TO GROVE ROAD AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO AN ALREADY COMMERCIAL BUILDING, YOU KNOW? AND SO, UM, I MEAN, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT RUNNING A BAR. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, DOING ANY OF THAT STUFF. IT'S NOT A STRIP MALL. IT'S AN OFFICE SLASH CONFERENCE ROOM. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, NEXT WE HAVE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE COMMISSION QUESTIONS, UM, IF STAFF, THE PERSON THAT CALLED IN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE REQUESTING CITY SERVICES, ASKING ABOUT PARKS, IF YOU PLEASE FORWARD, UH, THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION OVER TO THEIR COUNCIL PERSON TO HAVE THOSE ISSUES ADDRESSED. AND IT, AND THE PERSON THAT WROTE IN IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE SOME CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES. SO IF YOU CAN PLEASE SEND THAT OVER TO, UM, CODE COMPLIANCE TO LOOK INTO THAT. UM, NOW, UH, NOW WE'RE GOING TO COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER JACKSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? UH, JUST A COUPLE. UH, MR. MONROE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR THE TIME. UH, UH, YOU'RE TAKING THE DAY TO ADDRESS US. UH, I DO APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND YOUR DESIRE TO EXPAND YOUR BUSINESS AND WHERE APPROPRIATE. UM, UH, I'M COMMITTED TO, UH, UH, TO SUCH ENDEAVORS. UH, MY FIRST QUESTION, UH, IS FOR STAFF AND WHETHER THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS UNDER THE REQUESTED FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE OF, UM, REGIONAL COMMERCIAL WITH REGARDS TO THE TYPE OF BUSINESS, UH, ACTIVITY THAT CAN BE, UH, BUILT AND OR OPERATED ON, ON THE PROPERTY. WOULD A BAR, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, BE APPROPRIATE [00:30:01] AND WOULD BE, UH, ALLOWED UNDER REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION? CORRECT, SIR. ANY ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT CATEGORY WOULD BE ALLOWED AND ANY USE WITHIN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD BE ALLOWED. SO A BAR IS ALLOWED IN THE C3 DISTRICT, UNDER REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. AND SO YES, THE ANSWER'S YES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER LAND USE CATEGORIES MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE INTENDED, UH, USE, UH, UH, OF BUILDING A, UH, AN OFFICE SPACE WITHIN THIS BLOCK? IT'S MOSTLY RURAL AND SINGLE FAMILY IN NATURE. YEAH. IT APPEARS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES SURROUNDING, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, LOT, UH, IS DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE OR LOW DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL. UH, THE APPLICANT DID MENTION OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA, UH, IMMEDIATELY IN THE AREA. UH, ARE, DO, DO YOU, DO WE KNOW IF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE OPERATING IN COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT, UH, DESIGNATION? SO AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS NOT JUST AN OFFICE, THIS IS A CONTRACTOR FACILITY AND WITH POTENTIAL EVENT TYPE ACTIVITIES, RENTALS, AND AS SUCH, IT HAS TO BE FIT INSTEAD OF CATEGORY AND THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT FITS MOST CLOSELY TO. AND BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT THAT IS THE C THREE CATEGORY. UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE LAND USE SEEMS TO BE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE AT, IN THIS AREA. SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS AREA IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, THERE THEIR DESIRED USE DOES NOT FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY, EVEN IF IT WERE CONDITIONED DOWN. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. UH, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CARILLO? I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE. CHRIS? UH, CHAIRMAN, SHE'S HERE. COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER CARILLO ISS HERE. I SEE HER. SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU CALL. NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER PROFIT. UH, THANK YOU, UH, AGAIN TO MR. MONROE AND TO THE CALLERS AND THE FOLKS, UH, RESPONDING. SO, UH, FOR STAFF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHAT IS THE PERMITTED, UH, COMMERCIAL USES? C TWOS WOULD BE THE, NO SIR. NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS USUALLY NC FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR C ONE FOR LIGHT COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS O ONE FOR OFFICE. OKAY. AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED, UH, USE IS, IS, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE, OF, OF THE PROPERTY OR THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA BE USED AS A EVENT RENTAL? THAT C THREE IS THE ONLY APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THAT YOU CAN ONLY CONDITION DOWN ONE USE. AND SO HE HAS MULTIPLE USES ONLY PERMITTED BY RIGHT C THREE. SO HE HAS TO REQUEST C THREE TO FIT ALL OF THEM. AND THERE'S NO, AND THERE AREN'T ANY CONDITIONAL USES UNDER SAY, A C ONE TO DO WHAT THE APPLICATION THERE, THERE IS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY UNDER C TWO CD UNDER THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LAND USE. HOWEVER, THE ACTIVITIES THAT HE HAS NOTED INDICATE THAT THERE ARE OTHER USES AND YOU CAN ONLY CONDITION DOWN ONE USE. SO THAT PROPERTY COULD ONLY BE USED IF IT WERE ZO FOR C TWO USES PLUS THE ONE THING OF CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY. OKAY. WELL, FROM LAND, LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY THE, IT'S NOT PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS PIECE OF LAND MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. BUT, UH, YEAH, I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMMENTS AND, UM, REALLY KINDA UNDECIDED AT THIS POINT. BUT, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA, [00:35:06] CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. MY CONCERN WAS HE'S HAD SO MANY USES THAT PROBABLY THE PARKING AND THE, UH, HOURS OF THE ACTIVITIES WOULD PROBABLY BE OF CONCERN TO THE NEIGHBORS. SO, UH, HOW MUCH PARKING WOULD BE A AVAILABLE FOR THE USES? HE HAS? UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, SIR, WE CAN'T DETERMINE THAT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE, THE USES THAT HE WOULD LIKE. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGES FOR EACH THING AND MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING FOR ALL OF THAT. THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AT THIS POINT, BUT JUST TO SEE IF THE LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK, UM, COMMISSIONER PECK? UH, YEAH, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS. NO REAL QUESTIONS. YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED. UH, MY QUESTION ABOUT WHY, UH, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO APPLY FOR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. YOU'VE KIND OF CLEARED THAT UP FOR ME. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE TOUGH ONES THAT WE SEEM TO COME ACROSS QUITE OFTEN WHERE, UH, THE ONLY RECOURSE AN APPLICANT HAS IS TO APPLY FOR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL IN AN AREA WHERE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DOESN'T FIT. UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WHAT THAT DOES IS IT SHEDS A LIGHT ON THE FACT THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME USES THAT ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN REGIONAL COMMERCIAL THAT MAY NOT BE REALLY REGIONAL COMMERCIAL OR MAYBE SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN SOME, SOME LOWER C THREES OR C TWO, OR I'M SORRY C TWOS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT ON INTO THE FUTURE. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS LOCATION IS NOT SUITABLE FOR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. SO UNDER THE, UNDER THE FRAMEWORK WE HAVE TODAY, HE HAS TO APPLY FOR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE AREA'S NOT SUITABLE FOR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL 'CAUSE UH, REGIONAL COMMERCIALS AT MAJOR HIGHWAY INTERSECTIONS AND, AND FOR PARCELS GREATER THAN 20 ACRES. UM, AND WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF THESE, UH, REGIONAL COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS WE SEE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE LITTLE SMALL LOTS TUCKED AWAY IN THESE OTHER AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH, YOU KNOW, APPROVE ONE AND NOT ALL THE OTHERS. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENCE FOR THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE USE THAT MAY BE REALLY MAY BE A PROBLEM IN AN AREA WHERE HE'S TRYING TO GET REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THIS THE RIGHT WAY. UM, I DON'T SEE HOW, UM, WE CAN IMPROVE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL HERE IN THE LOCATION AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES. I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY OR A MODIFICATION OF HIS PROPOSED USE THAT HE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO DOWN TO REGIONAL OR I'M SORRY, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, I CAN'T MOVE FORWARD ON REGIONAL COMMERCIAL HERE. I'LL HAVE TO UPHOLD STAFF'S. UH, UH, DENIAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PECK? COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, I'M TRYING TO LOOK IT UP. I SEE THE EAST SIDE TRIANGLE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2009, WHICH IS, UM, QUITE A BIT AGO. I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S A PART OF THE ESSAY TOMORROW PLAN OR ANY OF THE REGIONAL CENTERS. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, UM, WHERE, LET'S SEE THIS AREA IN THE PLAN. AND, AND MY REAL QUESTION IS, IS THIS PLAN GETTING UPDATED ANYTIME SOON OR, OR WILL THE CITY BE LOOKING AT IT? I KNOW THAT THIS AREA IS, UM, SOMEWHAT IN A TRANSITION. YES, I DON'T AGREE THAT REGIONAL COMMERCIAL FITS HERE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF UPDATING NEEDS TO OCCUR IN THIS AREA. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE THAT, UM, COMING UP WITHIN THE COMING YEARS. FAMILIAR WITH, I I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE CURRENT PHASE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO. I WANNA, I THINK IT'S NOT UNTIL A COUPLE YEARS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON THIS AREA, WHICH I THINK IS GONNA BE UNDER THE EASTERN COMMUNITY PLAN. OKAY. OKAY. THAT, THAT, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY QUESTION. UM, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, HAVE YOU AT ALL HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SAGE? UM, AS FAR AS, UM, WHETHER THEY AGREE OR DISAGREE OR SUPPORT THIS, I KNOW THAT THEY HANDLE [00:40:01] THE PROMISE ZONE AND, AND PROMISE ZONE HAS SPECIFIC CATEGORIES WITHIN IT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT SUPPORT THIS. THAT WAS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. MR. MONROE, ARE YOU THERE? COULD YOU, COULD YOU YES, I'M HERE. COULD, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME, MA'AM? I'M SORRY. NO WORRIES. UM, I QUESTIONING IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH SAGE, WHY I'M BRINGING THEM UP IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A NONPROFIT, SOMEWHAT DEVELOPMENT AGENCY IN THE AREA. UM, THEY KIND OF HANDLE A LOT OF THE PROMISE ZONE WITHIN THE AREA. AND IF YOU'VE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS, AND I HAVE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION WITH, UH, SAGE AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO WITH MY DISTRICT TOO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN AND THEY WERE ALL FOR A BUSINESS COMING TO THE EAST SIDE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, REPUTABLE AND YOU KNOW, AND THE STUFF THAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE YOUTH AS FAR AS THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM AND STUFF LIKE THAT NOW. AND EVEN IF I HAVE TO, UM, GO DOWN TO ZONE TWO, I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING ANY ALCOHOL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR OPENING A BAR. AND THAT SEEMS LIKE THE MAIN CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AROUND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WHEN I'M THERE ON THE WEEKENDS CUTTING MY GRASS, YOU KNOW, REALLY I'M PICKING UP NUMEROUS BOTTLES, BEER BOTTLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT FROM THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR THAT HOST COOKOUTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, SO. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT A, A, A LESSER LAND USE, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND SPEAKING, UM, WITH SAGE AND, AND KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE PROMISE ZONE GOALS, UM, AND SUBCATEGORIES ARE. UM, SOME OF THEM THAT YOU NAMED, UM, DO FALL UNDER THAT AND, AND THAT MAY HELP YOU, UM, IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON BOARD AND CLARIFYING WHAT YOUR EXACT USE IS. UH, BUT I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT THAT, UM, THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, UM, DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND WAS THAT YOUR, ANY YOUR QUE OKAY. YES, SIR. UM, SO QUESTION FOR STAT. SO IT SOUNDED LIKE UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL C ONE AND OH ONE WAS ALLOWED. DID THOSE TWO ALLOW FOR OFFICE SPACE? YES, SIR, THEY DO. HOWEVER, HE HAS INDICATED THAT THIS IS A CONTRACTOR FACILITY, NOT SIMPLY AN OFFICE. THERE'S GOING TO BE STORAGE OF MATERIALS, UH, POTENTIAL WAREHOUSING, THE, THE STORAGE MATERIALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS JUST MY TOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, ITEMS THAT WE USE TO WORK WITH EVERY DAY. NOT A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TRADITIONAL STORAGE FACILITY. NO, AND MAYBE MY WORDING WAS WRONG. UH, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE TO COACH ME THROUGH THE APPLICATION TO HELP ME WITH THE WORDING OF IT AND WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR. UH, AGAIN, I'M, MY MAIN CONCERN IS OFFICE SPACE, AND THAT'S EVEN IF GO WHAT, WHAT MR. MONROE DESCRIBED IS A CON CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY, WELL, CONSTRUC CONTRACTOR FACILITY, I GUESS THAT COME ABOUT BECAUSE I AM A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, THE NAME, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSOLIDATED INSULATION SUPPORT, WE ARE A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T DEAL WITH ANY HEAVY, HEAVY WHEEL EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE STORED ON THE LOT. THERE WOULD BE, THE ONLY STORAGE WOULD BE IS AGAIN, MY TOOLS, THE STUFF THAT WE LOAD IN MY TRUCK OR YOU KNOW, MY WORKER'S TRUCK THAT GO OUT TO THE JOB SITES AND DO WORK AND THEY RETURN IN THE EVENING, UH, DURING THE DAY. OF COURSE MY OFFICE STAFF WOULD BE IN THE OFFICE TAKING CARE OF ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF. AND I THINK THE, WHERE THE CONCERN IS IS THAT MY WORDING OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE APPLICATION AND, AND EVEN NOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT BUZZ WORDS TO SAY OTHER THAN I'M INTERESTED IN EXPANDING MY OFFICE SPACE. AND YES, I WANTED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM, MEETING ROOM THAT [00:45:01] CAN BE MULTI-USE, YOU KNOW, AND IF I HAVE TO CUT DOWN THE USAGE OR PER SE WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD BE USED FOR, I MEAN, I STILL HAVE TO HAVE A CONFERENCE ROOM EVEN TO HOLD MEETINGS WITH MY EMPLOYEES ON A REGULAR BASIS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE INSIDE OF MY OFFICE SPACE. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU SIR. SO, UH, CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THE ISSUE THAT'S DRIVING UP THE CATEGORY, WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CONFERENCE ROOM, THE OFFICE SPACE, BUT IT'S THE FACT THAT HIS, UH, THE, THE CONTRACTOR PORTION, THE LOADING OF THE TRUCKS AND THE TOOL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE TOOLS FOR DAILY USE, STILL THE LOADING AND UNLOADING OF THE TOOLS AND THE TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT. UM, EVEN IT SOUNDS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE MATERIAL STORAGE AT ANOTHER LOCATION, MAYBE ON THE JOB SITE OR WAREHOUSE THAT THEY USE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THE CATEGORIZED USED AS A CONSTRUCTION SLASH CONTRACTOR FACILITY THAT YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK'S GONNA BE THERE, THEY LOAD UP THEIR TOOLS, THEY GO OUT, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY RETURN BACK, UNLOAD THEIR TOOLS, KEEP 'EM THERE FOR SAFE SAFEKEEPING. IS THAT WAS DRIVING THE HIGHER, UH, CATEGORIES VERSUS IF IT WAS JUST PURELY THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION OF THE BUSINESS. YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTING, HR, THAT KIND OF THING WITH THE CONFERENCE ROOMS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY ACCESS TO IT, UH, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S IT'S COMMUNITY USE OR IF HE PAY, IF HE SET UP SHOP AND, AND RENTED THAT OUT TO OTHER BUSINESSES, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE, WAS DRIVING THE ISSUE, THE CONTRACTOR PORTION, THE TRUCKS LOADING AND HANDLING OF TOOLS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO WOULD BE CORRECT. IT'S NOT JUST A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, IT'S HIS CONTRACTOR, UH, FACILITY OFFICE. AND THEN RENTING OUT THE MEETING SPACE IS ALSO AN INTENSE USE THAT, UH, REQUIRES C THREE. SO BECAUSE HE HAS MULTIPLE USES ONLY PERMITTED BY RIDE OF C THREE, HE HAS TO REQUEST THE C THREE, WHICH IS WHY HE NEEDS TO PLAN A METHOD. SINCE YOU CAN ONLY CONDITION NOW ONE USE, YOU, YOU WOULD ONLY GET TO PICK ONE. UM, AND, AND IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. AND FOR US, THIS AREA IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL. OKAY. SO, AND, AND JUST ONE MORE CLARIFICATION. UM, SO IF YOU HAD AN, AN OFFICE BUILDING AND IT WAS JUST HIS BUSINESS, THAT MIGHT BE ONE BUSINESS, THAT MIGHT BE ONE CATEGORY, BUT IF THE OFFICE BUILDING, IF YOU STARTED LEASING SPACE OUT, DOES THAT, THAT TRIGGERS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, IS THAT CORRECT? IT DEPENDS ON THE USES THAT IT WOULD BE LEASING SPACE OUT FOR. SO IF IT WAS JUST A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO WITH A RESIDENTIAL BASE THAN A CONDITIONAL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS USE IS, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S DESCRIBED. OKAY. OKAY. SO, SO I I'VE GOT THE A CLEAR PICTURE NOW. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, GO AHEAD SIR. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD ONE MORE COMMENT. YES, YES. I, I DID AND, AND, AND I, AND AGAIN, AND, AND I, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL BEING MISUNDERSTOOD. I MEAN THAT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE EVERYDAY USAGE THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE STUFF IN AND OUT OF YOUR BUILDING. OKAY. I MEAN, TO DO YOUR JOB OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND THAT'S THE SAME WAY HERE. YES, I AM A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND OF COURSE, I MEAN THAT'S JUST LIKE IF I HAD A STORAGE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, UM, CONEX TYPE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, ON THE GROUNDS TO STORE ALL, KEEP ALL MY EQUIPMENT, UH, TOOLS, SAWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT LOCKED UP. I MEAN, THAT SHOULD BE OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST EVERYDAY USAGE OF STUFF. AND AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE, THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR, WELL, THEY GOT A WHOLE OPEN BAY WHERE THEY DO SIGNAGE AND GOT METAL AND EVERYTHING JUST LAYING AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK PROFESSIONAL. AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS MY STUFF WILL ALL BE CONTAINED INSIDE MY BUILDING. ON THE BACKSIDE OF MY BUILDING WILL BE A SMALL STORAGE ROOM WHERE I WILL KEEP MY TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT. THAT'S IT. NOW, AS FAR AS RENTING OUT, UM, CONFERENCE ROOM, I DON'T HAVE TO RENT OUT A CONFERENCE ROOM. I JUST, I CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, OKAY, MAYBE THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR WHATEVER, BUT THIS IS MY PRIVATE OFFICE. I DON'T HAVE TO RENT OUT ANYTHING. LIKE I SAID, I CAN, YOU KNOW, GO TO A LORE, SEE ZONING THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME. [00:50:01] OKAY. IF THAT, IF THAT IS ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, AT THIS MEETING, IF THAT IS ALLOWED TO GO DOWN TO WHATEVER ZONING I NEED TO AND WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS THAT IS ON ME, I MEAN, I'M GONNA ABIDE BY WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, RULINGS OR WHATEVER RESTRICTION BECAUSE I DON'T SEE MYSELF, YOU KNOW, CAUSING A BIG, YOU KNOW, A BIG HAZARD HA UH, HAZARD, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING THAT UN YOU KNOW, UNLIKELY BECAUSE THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO DO IS RUN MY BUSINESS AND IT'S NOT LIKE I'M GONNA BE STORING MATERIALS TO RESALE AND LUMBER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. NO, WE ORDER AS NEEDED FOR THE JOB SITE AND THAT STUFF IS SENT DIRECTLY TO THE JOB SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? QUESTION FOR STAFF REAL QUICK. DOES COMMISSIONER PECK IF THE, UH, IF THE APPLICATION WERE MODIFIED JUST FOR A OFFICE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT THAT OFFICE IS, IF THERE'S NO STORAGE, NO NOTHING, IT'S JUST AN OFFICE, HE COULD GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING LOWER THAN C THREE AND AVOID THE ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL. CORRECT. WE STILL WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY MID-BLOCK, ESPECIALLY SURROUNDED BY RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED THERE. SO EVEN IF YOU WENT WITH AN NC STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD LIKELY BE DENIAL AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER. UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER PECK, I'LL MAY MAKE A MOTION TO UPHOLD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. SECOND, UH, MOTION. MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PECK AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. STAFF, PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER JACKSON. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THE MOTION THAT, UH, WE'RE ABOUT TO, SORRY. OF COURSE. IT'S A MOTION FOR DENIAL. OH, THANK YOU. UH, YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CARILLO? YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER PECK, THIS IS NOT RIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COM AND CHAIR GARCIA? UH, YES. MOTION PASSES FOR DENIAL. SEVEN TO ZERO. THANK YOU. AND I BELIEVE THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS ONE IS, UH, TO GO TO COUNCIL, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN TO COUNCIL. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT TIME WE HAVE THE AGENDA ARE THE MEETING MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? UM, ON THE MEETING MINUTES. MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. SECOND, WE GOT A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARILLO. UH, STAFF. CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER JACKSON? I'LL ABSTAIN AS I WASN'T AT THE MEETING. COMMISSIONER CARILLO? YES. COMMISSIONER PROPHET? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER PECK? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. AND CHAIR GARCIA? YES. MOTION PASSES. SIX TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION. THANK [Additional Item] YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, STAFF AND OR DIRECTOR'S, REPORTS, STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS, UPDATES ON ANYTHING U D C, PLANNING OF COMMISSION, APPLICATIONS, ALL THAT WONDERFUL STUFF? OH, SINCE YOU ASKED. UM, SO AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE WORK SESSION, THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS WILL CONTINUE, UH, TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF ANYTHING CHANGES. AS FAR AS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, APPLICATION, UH, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE GOVERNANCE CONSIDER THEM IN OCTOBER. UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE STILL NEEDS TO MEET FIRST IN ORDER TO REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS AND FORWARD ON, UH, SOME POTENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNANCE REVIEW. SO THAT IS THE GOAL RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND U D C, IS THAT STILL ON HOLD? IT IS STILL ON HOLD, SIR. OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN NOTE THAT MAYBE, [00:55:01] UH, AS COMMISSIONER PECK BROUGHT UP THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW SOME OF THOSE CATEGORIES IN REGIONAL COMMERCIAL COULD MAYBE BE, I MEAN SOME OF THOSE ZONING CATEGORIES CAN JUST PUT A NOTE TO LOOK INTO THAT. UH, YEAH, ACTUALLY THE, THE LANDING CATEGORIES, THE NEWER ONES THAT WERE ADOPTED FOR, THE NEWER PLANS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, FLEXIBLE AND ALLOW FOR MORE. OKAY. UH, DISTRICTS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOKED AT WHEN THEY ADOPTED THOSE NEW LAND USE CATEGORIES. IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN EFFECT TODAY FOR THOSE PLANS UNTIL THEY ARE UPDATED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, THANK YOU EVERYBODY. WE HAD A, A TOUGH ONE TODAY. THAT WAS KIND OF A CHALLENGING I THINK. UM, BUT I HOPE THINGS WORK OUT FOR HIM. AND THAT BEING SAID, IT IS 2 45 AND MEETING ADJOURNED. HAVE GOOD DAY EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. 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