* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020. [Roll Call ] MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ FISH. HERE. GIBBS HERE. VELAZQUEZ HERE. AREOLA HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. RUB BOWMAN ZER. HERE. . HEY HERE. UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO INVITE OUR TRANSLATORS TO GIVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT. MELISSA, THANK YOU. [Chairman’s Statement] THANK YOU. CAN WE GET THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE? YES. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. IT CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL THE CASES ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING. APPLICANTS WILL BE, WILL NEED TO MINIMIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK APPLICATIONS OF APPRO. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY T IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THIS OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. [CONSENT AGENDA] THANK YOU. UM, WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO IT. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. UM, I HAVE COMMENTS FROM ONE OF THOSE ITEMS AND I WILL READ IT NOW. IT'S FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, STREET, UH, STREETLIGHT POLE REPLACEMENT FOR NETWORK NODES. UM, THIS COMES FROM PATTI ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE KING, OR SORRY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS CONCERNED WHEN THE FIRST PILOT CELLULAR NODE STREETLIGHT WAS REP WAS PLACED IN ALAMO PLAZA. IT'LL BE EXPRESSED APPREHENSION ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD IMPACT HIS STORE DISTRICTS. THE CELLULAR ANTENNA WILL WITH ADDED STREETLIGHTS ARE UNGAINLY IN DESIGN AND CLUTTER, THE HISTORIC STREET SCAPE. WE CONTINUE TO BOTH EXPRESS DISAPPOINTMENT THAT MANY OF THE NEW POLES ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND OBJECT TO THE MOST, TO THE MOST OBTRUSIVE AT THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS. NOTED FOR REBUTTING HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR LANDMARKS. FIVE 20 SOUTH ALAMO 1 0 1 AUDITORIUM CIRCLE 9 0 9 LAROSA 2 0 9 JEFFERSON 1 0 4 EAST CROCKETT 100 NORTH PRESA 1 0 9 JEFFERSON. UM, RESPECTFULLY, UH, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, COMMISSIONERS, AFTER HEARING COMMENTS, DO WE WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. CAN WE PULL ITEM ONE? YES. AND WE WILL GET THAT APPLICANT ON THE LINE. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UH, SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR ON CONSENT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, AYE. A AYE. ALL OPPOSED, UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. [1. 20-6498 Address/Description: 203 S ST MARYS ST/Multiple Locations in the Right-of-way near: 520 S ALAMO ST 304 E PECAN ST 113 SOLEDAD 205 AUGUSTA 105 VILLITA ST 329 CONVENT 705 N ST MARYS 701 DOLOROSA 121 S FLORES ST 224 E MARTIN ST 1228 DWYER AVE 101 AUDITORIUM CIRCLE 909 DOLORSA 209 JEFERSON ST 205 N ALAMO ST 512 E CESAR E CHAVEZ 104 E CROCKETT ST 100 N PRESA ST 241 E COMMERCE ST 109 JEFFERSON 205 S ST MARY'S ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-460 RIO District: RIO-3 Applicant: Kevin Bowyer/Modus LLC Request: Replace an existing streetlight pole with a new pole with network node equipment City Council Dist.: ] SO, UM, SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE ARE YOU THERE? LET'S MAKE SURE WE IS UNMUTED. [00:05:05] REQUEST TO UNMUTE HIM. HELLO. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES. YES. OKAY. UH, SORRY. THE, THE NEW SYSTEM MAKES YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO BEING UNMUTED. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, KEVIN, UH, BOYER ON BEHALF OF MODUS VERIZON IS, UH, ON THE LINE. THI THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I PULLED THIS ITEM BECAUSE I HAD A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU'RE MUTED NOW. SORRY. OKAY, YOUR QUESTION OVER . OKAY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT REQUEST ITEM 7 8 14 17, 19, 20, AND 21. AND WE CAN JUST JUST LOOK AT REQUEST ITEM SEVEN, AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, NUMBERED, UH, NUMBER 34, IF STAFF COULD PUT THAT ONE ON THE SCREEN. I, I'M NOT SURE SURE WHAT SHEET NUMBER IT'S ON. I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE. LET'S GO TO, YEAH, THIS ONE WILL WORK RIGHT HERE. UH, PRIORITY NUMBER 41 IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT I I'M ASKING ABOUT. SO I KNOW THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN POLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME, AND I, AND I NOTICED THAT THESE, UH, SEVEN ITEMS WERE PROPOSING A GREEN, A GREEN POLE REPLACEMENT FOR THESE, UM, THESE LIGHT POLES THAT ARE, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE, THAN THE, THOSE PROPOSED IN THE PILOT PROGRAM. THEY HAVE A MORE CONTEMPORARY AESTHETIC. THEY USUALLY MARK THE INTERSECTIONS OF STREETS AT ALL CORNERS. AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE, UH, THIS CONTEXT. I WILL SAY THAT THE FLUIDED HOLE DESIGN IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN ENDORSED FORMALLY AS AS PREFERRED FOR DOWNTOWN REPLACEMENTS AS THEY HAPPEN. SO A LIGHT LIKE YOU SEE HERE WOULD NOT BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING IN KIND, IT WOULD BE REPLACED ULTIMATELY WITH THAT FLUIDED DESIGN. YEAH, AND I, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE INTERSECTIONS THAT HAVE FOUR SETS OF THESE, AND I THINK THESE KIND OF LINE CERTAIN ZONES AND STREETS AND WILL INTERMITTENTLY AT ONE CORNER HAVE, UH, HAVE THE FLUTED GREEN POLE DESIGN THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY OUT CHARACTER WITH THE, THE CONTEXT OF THE STREET. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FOR YOUR REFERENCE. UH, IT'S PART OF A, UH, A C P SS INITIATIVE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS, ALL POLES WILL BE THE GREEN FLUID POLES IN DOWNTOWN. OKAY. SO, SO THESE ARE SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS? YEAH, I PROBABLY DIDN'T ANSWER IT. PAUL NETWORK CODE WELL, AND AS PUBLIC WORKS IS PERFORMING STREETS PROJECTS. SO YOU MIGHT SEE OVER AT LIKE MAINTENANCE SOLEDAD, WHERE THAT'S A NEWER STREET PROJECT, THEY'RE USING THE NEW FLUID POLE. OKAY. WELL ACTUALLY I THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION, UH, IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT. SO IF IT'S OUT OF PLACE, THAT THAT'S LIKELY GONNA BE A VERY TEMPORARY SITUATION AS THE LIGHT PULSE ARE UPDATED. UM, I, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. DID ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS? WELL, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WAS ON THE, THERE WAS A D R C ON THIS LAST WEEK AND WE REVIEWED SPECIFICALLY THE, UH, POLL LOCATIONS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. AND, UM, TWO OF THOSE HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN, THE ONE ON PECAN AND FLORES BECAUSE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA GO BACK TO C P S AND SEE IF THOSE POLES, UH, COULD POSSIBLY BE RELOCATED FROM IN FRONT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. UM, THE OTHER ONES THAT CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAD HIGHLIGHTED ARE NEAR OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM HISTORIC STRUCTURES, BUT NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF. AND SO, UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE REPLACING EXISTING STREETLIGHTS. AND, UH, SO THE ONES THAT WERE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF, UH, TWO HISTORIC BUILDINGS WERE, UH, WITHDRAWN FOR THEIR FURTHER RESEARCH. THAT'S JUST FOR COMMISSIONER'S INFORMATION. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I MOVE FOR [00:10:01] APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH 21, EXCLUDING ITEMS TWO AND NINE FOR THE REASONS JUST STATED, UH, BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF STAFF. AND THAT, UH, A REMINDER THAT ALL STIPULATIONS FROM THE PILOT PROGRAM AND THE FINAL AUDIT DESIGN CONTINUE TO APPLY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. [5. 20-6518 Address/Description: Dawson at N Olive (three individual lots, currently unaddressed) HDRC Case No.: 2020-390 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Ron Alvarado/AG Associates Architects Request: Construction of three, 2-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2] GREAT. RAISE US TO ITEM FIVE. UM, ED, ARE YOU THERE? I THINK WE'VE GOT A REQUEST TO UNMUTE YOU NOW. DO YOU SEE IT COME THROUGH? THERE WE GO. HEAR ME NOW? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 90 DAWSON AND NORTH THREE INDIVIDUAL LIVES CURRENTLY UNADRESSED, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE, TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT, THE CORNER OF DAWSON AND NORTH OLIVE, LOCATED WITHIN THE DICK WHITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THESE LOTS ARE CURRENTLY UNADDRESSED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH V STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM STAFF. ONE, THAT THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN BE RECONFIGURED TO ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE BUILDINGS TO BE ORIENTED TOWARDS NOTED IN FINDING H TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED OR REDUCED MASS. AGAIN, HEIGHT IS NOTED IN FINDING I AS TYPICAL FOR WHAT IS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THE HEIGHT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF ADJACENT HISTORIC HOUSES BY MORE THAN ONE STORY. ADDITIONAL HEIGHT MAY BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A CHANGE IN ROOT FORM UTILIZATION OF A HALF STORY OR STEP DOWNS IN THE HEIGHT FROM THE ADJACENT SINGLE STORY HOME. THREE, THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THE PROPOSED WIDTH AND RELATIONSHIP TO ROOT FORM AS PROPOSED ROOF FORMS FEATURE WIDTH THAT ARE ATYPICAL WITH THOSE GUNS. DISTRICT IN REGARDS TO OVERALL WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING L FOURTH, THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION ON THE FINDING. M FIVE IS THE PROPOSED BUILDING SPACE AND THE INCREASE IS NOTED IN FINDING O SIX IS THE, AS A PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. THESE THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES AND HIGH, THE STANDARD GAL WOUND FINISH IN THE CRE RIDGE STEAM OR LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP. SO RIDGE CAP IS USED, VIEWED AN APPROVED PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. PROPOSED SODDING IS FEATURE AND EXPOSURE, FOUR INCHES IS SMOOTH FINISH AND THE THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH. MINOR CORNERS POWER SHOULD BE SIX INCHES SQUARE AND FEATURE 10 FOOT CORNERS WITH A BASIN CAP. SEVEN. THAT WINDOW MATERIAL SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND THE CONSTRUCTION AS NOTED IN FINAL P EIGHT, THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING BE MODIFIED TO NOT FEATURE PARKING THAT RESULTS IN GARAGE DOORS THAT VISIBLE FROM THE PRIMARY STREET DAWSEY. WORKING WITH GARAGES MAY BE APPROPRIATE IF ORIENTED INTERNALLY WITHIN THE SITE. INTENT OF LANDSCAPE PLAN BALANCE IS NOTED. FINDING VIEW. I HAVE THE APPLICANT MR. RON ALVARADO HERE ON THE LINE NOW. GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO? HI, THIS IS LV. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO MAKE THIS PROPOSAL OR THIS, UH, YES, THIS, UH, PROPOSAL TO Y'ALL. AND, UM, REGARDING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO, WE'VE MET WITH, UH, EDWARDS, UH, STAFF ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, AND I BELIEVE EVEN WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS. AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE REALLY CRITICAL TO THIS. ONE OF 'EM WAS THE, UH, SPACING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FROM EACH LOT. AND ORIGINALLY WE WERE SHOWING WHERE THERE WAS A, UH, SPACING FROM LOT TO LOT OF SEVEN FEET. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE INTO READJUST THE SIZE OF THESE UNITS TO GIVE US A 10 FOOT, UM, SEPARATION FROM LOT TO LOT. WE'VE ALSO ADDRESSED THE SETBACKS TO THE UNITS THAT ARE MORE IN LINE TO WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE DISTRICT. UH, ORIGINALLY WE HAD A MUCH SHORTER SETBACK OFF OF NORTH OLIVE STREET, AND NOW WE'RE AT 25 FEET TO 20 FEET OF A SETBACK, WHICH IS MORE IN LINE TO THE HOUSE THAT'S ADJACENT TO US, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO OUR PIECE OF PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SITE PLAN, UH, THE CORNER UNIT [00:15:01] AT DAWSON STREET, WE'VE ALSO READJUSTED THE LOCATION OF THAT, WHERE WE HAVE INCREASED THE SETBACK OFF OF DAWSON, UH, UP TO 10 FEET. WHERE ORIGINALLY WE WERE RIGHT AT ABOUT 14 TO 15 OR 13 FEET OFF OF DAWSON STREET. WE WERE RIGHT AT THAT EASEMENT SETBACK. AND SO THAT ALSO WE'RE, UH, REACTING AND RESPONDING TO THAT SETBACK OFF OF DAWSON. UM, THE ONE THING THAT WE DO IN THAT I DO HAVE TO REMIND AGAIN, IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON HAVING ALL THE UNITS FACING DAWSON STREET. IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS PROJECT UNFEASIBLE TO BE DONE. UH, FOR ONE, WE WOULD ONLY PROBABLY BE ABLE TO FIT ONE, ONE BUILDING MAYBE TWO BUILDINGS AT THE END AFTER WE'VE UH, MADE THAT ARRANGEMENT. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE IT FEASIBLE FOR THE OWNERS TO, TO REORIENT THAT. AND, UM, JUST WANTED TO RESPOND BACK TO THAT. AS FAR AS MASSING IS CONCERNED, WE DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO WORK WITH ROOFING, UH, HOW WE WANTED TO, UH, WORK WITH THE ROOFING. AND WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT AND I BELIEVE ON SHEET 8.4 0.0 AND 4.1, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE HAVE REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS BY, UH, SIX FEET. AND SO WE ARE, UM, REACTING TO BEING RESPECTFUL, UH, TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE HOUSING THAT'S ADJACENT TO US. AND ACCORDING TO OUR DRAWING ON SHEET 4.1, WE ARE APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET ABOVE THE ROOF PITCHES THE HIGHEST ROOF PITCHES, AND WE ACCOMPLISH THAT BY CHANGING ROOF, UH, ROOFING SLOPES AND REDUCING PLATE HEIGHTS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST WANTED TO REACT TO THAT. UM, AND I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO PRESENT WITH THE ALL FENESTRATION. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FENESTRATION AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW YOUR GUIDELINES ON THE FENESTRATION, UH, ROOF OF MATERIALS. UM, ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE STAFF IS SAYING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADHERE TO, WE, WE ARE HERE TO DO THAT. UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT WE DID RE REDUCE THE BALCONY THAT WAS IN THE BACK THAT WAS OVERHANGING OVER THE GARAGE AREAS. UM, WE, WE SHORTENED MATCH. SO THEY NOW DO NOT, UM, UH, PROTRUDE OVER THE, THE, UH, THE GARAGES IN THE BACK, THE TWO CAR GARAGES. UH, LEMME SEE WHAT ELSE. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AND I'M OPEN TO ANY COMMENTS. AND , THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO. UM, WE HAVE TWO. FIRST IS FROM PATTI ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 1 0 7. KING WILLIAM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO DENY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT DAWSON AND NORTH OLIVE. THE THREE TWO STORY STRUCTURES APPEAR TO EXCEED LOT COVERAGE GUIDELINES. THEIR MASSING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORIC BUILDING PATTERNS RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED TO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. AND THE NEXT COMES FROM, UM, I BELIEVE MONICA SABINO ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN NUITY HILL. UM, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY HEIGHTS, MASSING SETBACKS, AND HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THERE IS TOO MUCH MASSING CAUSED BY INTERNAL GARAGES AND SHARED WALLS. SETBACKS ARE STILL NOT WITHIN GUIDELINES. THE HOMES FACED THE WRONG STREET, THE ORIGINAL HOME ON THE SLOT FACED DAWSON STREET. THE INFO HOME SHOULD RESPECT THIS HISTORIC FACT. THE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS CORNER ARE MODERN INFILLS, UM, THAT ARE INCORRECTLY CITED. THE SANBORN MAP SHOW ALL HISTORIC HOMES IN THE 700 AND 800 BLOCKS OF DAWSON FRONT DAWSON STREET. THERE IS NO SIDE SETBACK OF THE TWO SOUTHERNMOST HOMES. SIDE. SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED AND CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS PROJECT AS DESIGNED IS NOT A GOOD FIT. DOES NOT, AND DIG THE WITTY DOES NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES. AND THEN I GUESS WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL, LAUREN, WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS. WHY DON'T YOU PLAY THE FIRST ONE FROM JIM GIBSON? OKAY, ONE SECOND. 8 7 8 2 0 2. I'M CALLING IN REGARD TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT AT [00:20:01] DAWSON AND OLIVE STREET. THE, UH, TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. UH, I'M CONCERNED THAT THOSE TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY, UH, DUPLEXES OR TOWN HOMES. UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE FAMILY LOT AT ONE TIME. THERE WAS ONE HOUSE ON IT YEARS AND YEARS AGO, AND THEY'VE TAKEN AND DIVIDED IT INTO THREE LOTS. AND, UH, IF THEY HONOR THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, THOSE LOSS ARE ACTUALLY NOT REAL BIG. THEY'D BE OKAY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT THEY'RE WANTING TO ADD, UH, THE ESSENTIALLY FIVE OR SIX, UH, HOMES THERE. UH, FIVE OR SIX FAMILIES. I KNOW IT'S ONLY THREE BUILDINGS, BUT, UH, POTENTIALLY THEY'RE ADDING SOMEWHERE. YOU KNOW, YOU FIGURE TWO VEHICLES PER FAMILY AT A MINIMUM, UH, IS PRETTY COMMON. AND THEN IF THEY HAVE TEENAGE KIDS, UH, THEY MAY HAVE THREE OR FOUR, UH, WITH JUST TWO VEHICLES PER FAMILY AND FIVE OR SIX FAMILIES LIVING ON, UH, THAT PROP. LAUREN, WE LOST THE AUDIO THERE. YEAH, I FROZE ONE SECOND. I JUST STOPPED PLAYING. LET'S SEE IF I CAN OPEN THE SECOND ONE AND WE'LL REPLAY THAT ONE. I, OKAY. OLIVE AND DAWSON BECK. UH, I LIVE AND OWN THE HOME AT 7 26 DAWSON. UM, I'M CALLING ABOUT THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF OLIVE AND DAWSON. UM, I CONTINUE TO BE DISHEARTENED BY THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES AND PLANS TO THE CORNER OF OLIVE AND DAWSON. UM, WHAT WAS ONCE A BEAUTIFUL SINGLE LOT OWNED BY A LOCAL FAMILY PHYSICIAN AND HIS WIFE, UH, WHO IS A WELL-RECOGNIZED COMMUNITY ACTIVIST IS NOW BEING TURNED INTO A CRAMMED TOGETHER TOWN HOME COMMUNITY. UH, THE IDEA OF FIVE UNITS BEING IN THIS SPACE IS JARRING, AND THE PROPOSED PLANS DON'T MAKE ME FEEL ANY BETTER ABOUT IT. UH, WHAT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR EVEN A DUPLEX ON A CORNER LOT WILL INSTEAD BE DENSELY PACKED FOR MAX PROFIT RATHER THAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BENEFIT. PERSONALLY, I'M CONCERNED THAT I WOULD NOW HAVE FIVE SETS OF NEIGHBORS WITH BALCONIES THAT ALL LOOK INTO MY HOUSE AND BACKYARD SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THIS HOUSE OR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I PURCHASED MY HOME EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND A FEATURE THAT FEELS INVASIVE AND NOT CONDUCIVE TO FEELING SAFE AT HOME. FINALLY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DID RECEIVE A BUSINESS CARD, UM, FROM SOMEONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. IT WAS WEDGED IN MY FRONT DOOR WHEN I GOT HOME FROM WORK ONE DAY I CALLED AND LEFT MY CONTACT INFO, BUT I HAVE NEVER HEARD BACK FROM ANYBODY ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT SINCE. UM, I I HOPE THAT YOU'LL TAKE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS INTO ACCOUNT. UM, AGAIN, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOT. IT'S A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE LEGACY OF BOTH THAT LOT AND THE LOT THAT I OWN OUR WONDERFUL AND SHOULDN'T BE RUINED BY JUST A PROFIT THAT, EXCUSE ME, A A A STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE FOR PROFIT AND RATHER THAN FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HI, MY NAME'S JIM GIBSON. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU FIGURE TWO VEHICLES PER FAMILY AT A MINIMUM, UH, IS PRETTY COMMON. AND THEN IF THEY HAVE TEENAGE KIDS, UH, THEY MAY HAVE THREE OR FOUR, UH, WITH JUST TWO VEHICLES PER FAMILY AND FIVE OR SIX FAMILIES LIVING ON, UH, THAT PROPERTY. WE'RE LOOKING AT 10 OR 12 CARS [00:25:01] NOW. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE GARAGES IN THE BACK. I'M NOT SURE HOW, UH, EASILY ACCESSIBLE THAT THEY'LL BE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ONE CAR GARAGES OR TWO CAR GARAGES. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES FAMILIES USE GARAGES FOR STORAGE. AND SO THAT PUTS THE, THE, UH, CARS BACK ON THE STREET AGAIN. I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH IS THE DENSITY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ESSENTIALLY FIVE OR SIX FAMILIES ON A LOT THAT USED TO BE FOR ONE FAMILY. SO, UH, I I THINK IT'S JUST TOO MANY. ONE HOME PER LOT, UH, WOULD MAKE SENSE NOT PUTTING TWO FAMILIES ON EACH SMALL LOT. SO THAT'S MY SAY. SO, UH, THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS WE HAVE. SO, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER FITZER, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UH, I'M RECALLING THE PROJECT HAS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND, UM, I'M REAL, UM, UH, ENCOURAGED BY THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S DONE BY THIS APPLICANT. I THINK ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE, THAT WE TOUCHED ON, UH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE CAREFUL ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS MOST INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT EVEN THE ROOFS, BECAUSE I, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ROOFS WERE PART OF THE, THE ISSUE ASIDE FROM HEIGHTS. UM, BUT IF, IF YOU REMEMBER THOSE TWO ROOFS THAT CAME TOGETHER, THEY KIND OF DID SOME, SOME WORK. I, I'M ALSO, UH, VERY, UH, ENCOURAGED BY THE, UH, I THINK IT WAS YOUR COMMENT THAT THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE BALCONIES AND THE DISTANCES IN THE BACK, UH, THAT THEY ACTUALLY TRIMMED THOSE OFF. AND I SAY THAT WITH RESPECT TO ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE HAD, THAT YOU MADE THE SAME, UH, COMMENT AND THE PROJECT CAME BACK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES, AND THEY DID, THEY NEVER, UH, DEALT WITH THAT ISSUE. IT KINDA STANDS OUT THAT, THAT THEY WENT AND, AND TOOK CARE OF THAT BACK PIECE. THE OTHER THING IS I SEE HOW THEY MOVED THE BUILDING ON THE DAWSON SIDE, GIVING UP THAT QUITE WIDER DRIVEWAY THAT THEY HAD, MAKING IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER, UH, DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE, UH, INNER TWO BUILDINGS. UH, AND THAT, THAT I THINK IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TAKING, TAKING THE COMMENTS OF COMMISSION, UH, SERIOUSLY. THE OTHER, I'M NOT CERTAIN, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER, UH, OF DAWSON AND OT, OF IT LOOKS LIKE IT STEPS BACK THAT FOOT, UM, THAT, THAT IS RELATED TO, UH, UM, THE BUILDING HAVING BEEN MUCH, UH, A LITTLE FURTHER UP, UH, TO THE STREET. SO I, I'M, UM, REAL COMFORTABLE WITH THE WORK THAT THAT, UH, THAT THEY'VE PUT IN, IN THE TIME THAT THEY'VE, UH, UH, UH, BEEN BEEN AWAY FROM THE MEETING THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. NOW, ANOTHER VERY TELLING, I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE, THE PACKAGE, UH, ONLINE 'CAUSE I HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER, UH, THAT THAN, THAN THE ONE THAT, UM, THAT THE, THAT COREY HAS UP, COREY. BUT THERE'S A PAGE THAT IS, UH, AN AERIAL AFTER THE, AFTER THE, THE, THE TWO DIMENSIONAL AERIAL THAT THE, THERE IS A THREE DIMENSIONAL AERIAL, UH, IF IT'S PUT ON THE SCREEN, OKAY, I'M GONNA PUT IT IN A FOLDER. I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS. I'M LOOKING AT IT ON, ON MY FILE RIGHT WHEN IT'S TOWARDS THE TOP Y YEAH, IT'S RIGHT AFTER THE FINDINGS. IT'S 2, 2, 2 DRAWINGS AFTER, OR TWO PICTURES AFTER THE FINDINGS. IT'S THE SECOND PAGE NINE, PAGE NINE, THAT I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IMAGES OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW THE SCALE OF THIS, UH, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, SITUATION. RIGHT? AND, UH, IF YOU GO ON GOOGLE EARTH, IT ALSO SHOWS YOU KIND OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT EXACTLY IS HAPPENING IN, IN, IN THAT AREA. SO IT SHOWS A HOUSE THERE THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, AS A BUSINESS, IT'S THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET THAT IS, UM, SOMEHOW RELATED TO, UM, UM, UH, UH, RENT, UH, UH, VACATION RENTALS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO PUTTING EVERYTHING IS PROPER CONTEXT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE PROXIMITY TO HOUSTON STREET THAT I WASN'T ALL THAT FAMILIAR WITH, BUT I CAN SEE NOW, UM, IF, IF THERE WAS A PLACE WHERE THE DENSITY IS PICKED UP AND WHERE THERE IS AN, WHERE THERE SHOULD BE AN EXPECTATION, THERE'S EMPTY LOTS. THERE'S HOUSTON STREET, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOW A MAJOR CORRIDOR TO THE AT T CENTER THAT THE DENSITY PATTERN SEEMS TO FOLLOW. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT INCREASED, UH, DENSITY ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION LINES, ALL THOSE THINGS, IT SEEMS TO FIT RIGHT. SO I DON'T, I, I CAN APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT, [00:30:01] THAT, THAT ARE COMING FROM COMMUNITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT THOSE COMMENTS HAVE TO BE PUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GENERAL DIALOGUE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, ESSAY TOMORROW AND, AND THAT WHOLE, WHAT ARE THE URBAN PATTERNS AND WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO MOVE THE DENSITIES CLOSER TO IN ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? UM, PARTICULARLY ALSO WITH RESPECT TO LOOKING AT THE, AT, AT THE, AT THE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY ENVIRONMENTS AND, AND, AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT, THAT THE MULTI-FAMILY ENVIRONMENTS ARE KIND OF A, I, I DON'T WANNA REFER TO 'EM AS A NECESSARY EVIL, BUT WITH RESPECT TO HOW MORE FAMILIES FIND THEIR WAY INTO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FOR THE MOST PART CAN CUT THEM OFF, RIGHT? AND MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE SMALLER, UH, PLACES, UH, CREATE, UM, GREATER AFFORDABILITY. UM, SO ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING 'EM ALL TOGETHER AND, AND TRYING TO LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF THE URBAN PATTERNS, UM, BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WORK THAT, THAT, THAT THESE, UM, UH, APPLICANTS HAVE PUT INTO, UH, UH, THE PROJECTS WE'RE OVERSEEING ALL THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT WERE MADE BY COMMISSION, I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE A, THEY'VE DONE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB. NOW THERE'S ONE, ONE THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY, UH, IMPORTANT THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONERS, UH, TO, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. UH, THE, I THINK THE BUILDINGS ARE WELL BALANCED. I THINK THERE MAY BE THE DRAWINGS NEEDS TO BE A SLIGHTLY BETTER DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATION THAT THERE'S AN EIGHT INCH PLANK BETWEEN THE WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO TWO WINDOWS COMING TOGETHER, AND THAT THERE'S EIGHT INCHES BETWEEN THEM. I THINK THAT, THAT THERE'S MORE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WARRANTS, UH, UM, A MORE INTENTIONAL DETAIL OF HOW THE WINDOWS CONNECT WITH A, WITH A BOARD IN THE MIDDLE. UM, UH, YES SIR, THIS, THIS IS GOING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO, WELL, THAT'S WHAT MY POINT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, UH, CHAIRMAN, THAT'S WHAT MY POINT IS THAT THAT, THAT, I'M SURE THAT THAT STUFF CAN COME BACK, BUT ONE ASPECT OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THAT I, I I WANNA ASK MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER, THE ROOF PITCHES MAY HAVE HELPED TO GAIN THE, UM, THE EXPECTED OR THE RECOMMENDED HEIGHTS, BUT I THINK THE REDUCTION OF THE ROOF PITCHES TAKES AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE ATTEMPT TO FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE HISTORIC PITCHES THAT YOU FIND THERE, WHICH ARE A LITTLE HIGHER, BUT OBVIOUSLY A HIGHER PITCH IS GONNA RAISE THE HI HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, THAT FOR THE SOLE PURPOSES OF GAINING THE GREATER AREA WITHIN THE, THE PLANE OF THE VERTICAL IN THE PITCH, IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES THE HOUSES LOOK MORE, UM, IN INTENTIONAL WITH RESPECT TO THEIR, TO THEIR, UH, TO THEIR DESIGNS AS OPPOSED TO THIS, IT, IT REEKS OF THE ONLY REASON IT'S LOWER IS BECAUSE IT FITS THE CODE. RIGHT. SO THAT, UH, THIS IS MY FINAL COMMENTS, BUT I, I WOULD BE STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, AND IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I'LL HOLD FOR OTHER COMMENTS FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. OKAY. SO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS HERE. SO MY FIRST CONCERN, UM, AND THIS, THIS QUESTION IS DIRECTLY TOWARDS THE, UM, TO THE APPLICANT. YOU MADE A COMMENT CONCERNING, UM, THE FACING OF THE HOLMES TO DAWSON, AND THAT YOU COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF ONE REASON, AND THAT WASN'T PRETTY CLEAR. IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME. SO I AM SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAYING AS FAR AS TAKING ONE LOT AND PUTTING, UM, ALL THESE UNITS ON ONE PARTICULAR LOT. AND, AND, AND I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THIS FITS INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT, PLEASE? OKAY. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I DIDN'T CATCH PART OF THAT, I'M SORRY. SURE. UM, FIRST, UM, UM, PART OF IT WAS ABOUT THE UNITS FACING DAWSON. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU CANNOT OR WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE 'EM FACING DAWSON BECAUSE OF SOME REASON OR ANOTHER, AND I DIDN'T, I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT, SO I WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT. AND SECONDLY, UM, MY CONCERN WAS THAT, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, I'M SENSITIVE TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AS FAR AS HOW THIS FITS INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT AND EXPLAIN HOW YOU THINK THIS WORKS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING HOMES IN THE AREA AND, UH, WHAT, UM, THIS AREA REPRESENTS AND HOW THIS MULTI-FAMILY UNIT ON THIS ONE LOT REPRESENTS, UM, A GOOD CHARACTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. UH, REGARDING THE FIRST, UH, QUESTION ON THE LOT FACING DAWSON STREET, THAT LOT SIZE IS RIGHT NOW, 53 FEET BY 140 [00:35:01] FEET DEEP, AND WE HAVE A EASEMENT THAT IS IN THE FACING DAWSON AND ALSO ON, ON, UH, OLIVE STREET. AND TO ROTATE THAT, THAT BUILDING WILL MAKE THE PROJECT JUST TO FIT ON THAT LOT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS PLAN WORK WITH THE SAME PLAN AND EVERYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE FOR THE OWNERS TO COME BACK AND REPL THESE LOTS. THEY ARE PLATTED RIGHT NOW AS THREE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. THEY ARE NOT JUST ONE LOT. AND SO THE REPLANTING, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING BACK AND TELLING YOU THAT IT WOULD NOT MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE FOR THE OWNERS TO DO THAT. NOW, REGARDING THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR THE CHARACTER BEING THERE IN THE, THE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE, BUT THE PEOPLE OR THE CLIENTELE THAT WE, AND THE MARKET AND THE OWNERS ARE AIMING FOR IS EITHER A SINGLE, UM, A COUPLE OR SOME WITH, UH, ONE CHILD OR TWO CHILDREN. AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ON THAT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK ANY SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO, TO DEAL WITH, AND FOR US NOT TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE OF THAT. I MEAN, WE THINK IT'S, IT'S A, A JUDGMENTAL THING THAT WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO BE REAL CAUTIOUS AND CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE RESPECT THE COMMENTS, BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THE PROJECT AND THE LOTS ARE ZONED WHERE WE COULD DO THIS LEGALLY. UH, HOWEVER WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION TO DO, AND TO FOLLOW ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAVE, THAT Y'ALL HAVE GIVEN US. AND I THINK AS MR. VELASQUE HAS INDICATED, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE A BIG ATTEMPT AND WE'VE DONE A LOT, AND WE'VE, WE'VE REACTED TO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT Y'ALL HAVE. UM, THE SIZE OF THESE UNITS FROM FIRST TO SECOND FLOOR IS APPROXIMATELY GOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THESE, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE ARE ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT 2000, 2,500 SQUARE FEET F THAT MUCH. NO, I TAKE IT WRONG. THEY'RE 1800 SQUARE FEET, EACH UNIT IS 1800 SQUARE FEET. AND SO THEY'RE NOT BIG UNITS. AND, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE, UH, TO, TO RESPOND TO THOSE. I HOPE I CLARIFIED OR I ANSWERED THOSE TO, TO YOUR SATISFACTION. WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THE, THE PRO, UH, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ZONED FOR THIS, THAT IT, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS. AND THE FACT THAT YOU SAY THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO DO IT, UM, WITH THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ASKING FOR IS MORE. AND I, I WOULD AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS IS MORE OF COME FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE OF HOW MUCH THE PROPERTY, UM, CAN GENERATE FOR YOU OR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OWNERS AND TO, TO MAKE IT MORE, YOU KNOW, FEASIBLE TO, TO BUILD ALL THESE UNITS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO, UM, YOU ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE MASSING AND, AND THAT WAS PRETTY CLEAR, BUT THEN YOU STARTED GOING INTO THE ROOF FORMS AND YOU, YOU KIND OF STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT, THEN YOU STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT. SO CAN, AND, AND, UM, THE FINDINGS HERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF FORMS AND MENTIONING THAT THE ROOF FORMS, THEY SHOULD BE SIMILAR, UM, PITCH OVERHANGS, ORIENTATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, UM, LOOKING AT YOUR DRAWINGS, THEY'RE, YOU'RE GETTING THERE AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THIS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. UM, LIKE I SAID, I ECHO SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. SO THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF BRIEF QUES UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I'M NOT SEEING THIS ON THE DRAWING, BUT WHAT IS THE REAR YARD SETBACK ON LOT ONE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DIMENSION IS? UH, EXCUSE ME. I BELIEVE IT IS 10 FEET, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT ON THERE, BUT I CAN VERIFY THAT FOR YOU AND, AND, UH, GET THAT UP. I BELIEVE IT IS 10, IT'S EITHER 10 OR 15 FEET. SO I'M, I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE DISTANCE FROM THE FACE OF THE GARAGE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE. OH, THAT ONE. OKAY. THAT ONE. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET, AND THAT'S THE NARROW VERSION. SO THE BIGGER VERSION, I ASSUME WHERE IT STEPS FORWARD IS LARGER THAN 20 FEET. [00:40:01] UM, IT'S KIND OF NO, ON THE NARROW ONE IS THE, THE NARROW ON THE CLOSER ONE TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET. THE ONE TO THE RIGHT ON LOT ONE, THAT WOULD BE FROM THE GARAGE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET. SO 20 FEET IS PRETTY TIGHT TO GET A CAR TURNED INTO A GARAGE, GIVEN THAT CARS ARE GENERALLY 19 FEET LONG, BUT PERHAPS IT CAN SWING IN. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT CONCERN ABOUT THE REAR YARD CONFIGURATION, THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE GREEN, GREEN SPACE AND KIND OF HOW THESE GARAGES FACE THE ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTY ON DAWSON. UM, BUT I HAVE A ANOTHER COUPLE OF SETBACK QUESTIONS. SO IF WE LOOK ON DOWN ON OLIVE, YOU ARE CITING A 20 FOOT, UH, SETBACK FROM THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, I THINK TO THE, UH, ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE. THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE SIDEWALK ARE CO-EXISTENT AND THE SIDEWALK THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE SIDEWALK. OKAY. SO WHAT DOES THAT DIMENSION MEASURE TO WHEN YOU'RE MEASURING TO THE HOUSE? WHAT WAS MEASURED TO, I NOTICE IT SAYS 20 FEET PLUS TO THE PORCH. IT'S DE IT'S MEASURED TO THE PORCH TO LIKE THE, MAYBE THE FACE OF THE COLUMN ON THE PORCH, OR, THAT'S CORRECT. TO THE FACE OF THE COLUMN. OKAY. AND, UH, SAME QUESTION FOR THE STRUCTURE ON DAWSON, THAT IT'S SHOWING A 19 FOOT PLUS OR MINUS SETBACK, I GUESS I, THAT IS TO THE FACE OF THE COLUMN, THAT'S ALSO TO THE FACE OF THE COLUMN. AND YOU'RE NOT ABLE, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET OR EXCEED THE, THAT SETBACK ON THE STRUCTURE. FOR LOT THREE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SHOWING IT'S A FOOT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, UM, I'M SHOWING A, I'M SHOWING A 21 FOOT SETBACK FROM OLIVE STREET, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE PORCH. I'M, UH, I SEE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT MATCHES AT THE CLOSEST POSITION ON LOT ONE, BUT IF WE ROUND THE CORNER TO DAWSON, I SEE ON DAWSON AN 18 FOOT SETBACK TO THE FACE OF THE PORCH AND THE STRUCTURE TO THE NORTH IS 19 PLUS OR MINUS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS GET, TRYING TO GET SOME SPECIFICS ON WHAT THAT WAS KIND OF PRECISELY MEASURED TO, TO SEE HOW CLOSE THIS REALLY IS TO MEETING OUR SETBACK GUIDELINES. I SEE. OKAY. YEAH, AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S FROM THE FACE OF THE COLUMN TO THE PROPERTY LINE. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I DO APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE. I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ IS, IS CORRECT ABOUT THAT. THEY MAY BE MODIFICATIONS, AND I CONCUR THAT THE ROOF PITCH LOOKS A LITTLE TOO FLATTENED OUT, IN MY OPINION, IS TO ACHIEVE A HEIGHT. BUT I THINK I WOULD REALLY BE MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT IF THERE WERE JUST FEWER UNITS, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE PATTERN OF THE, UH, STREET DEVELOPMENT AS, AS YOU HEAD DOWN, UM, DOWN OLIVE STREET AS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT AERIAL, UH, THERE, THERE'S A RHYTHM OF, OF LOTS SIZES THAT ARE THERE. UM, SO I, I CONCUR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS ABOUT JUST THE OVERALL RESULTING MASSING AND DENSITY AND THE LACK OF, IF YOU DO THESE KIND OF NARROW HOUSES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE IF YOU CAN CREATE KIND OF SOME KIND OF SIDE YARD OR SOMETHING WITH, GETS SOME RELIEF. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU INCREASE THE SPACING BETWEEN THEM TO THE 10 FEET AS SHOWN HERE AS OPPOSED TO THE NARROW OR SEVEN FEET IN THE PREVIOUS SCHEME. SO I, I DO SEE YOUR RESPONSIVENESS HERE, BUT I I, I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S JUST ALMOST LIKE ONE MINUTE TOO MUCH THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PACK OFF OF THIS, THIS SITE. AND I KNOW THAT'S ALL DRIVEN BY PROFORMAS AND PROFIT MARGINS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT SEEMS A LITTLE OUT CHARACTER WITH THE, THE, THAT RHYTHM OF SPACING AGAINST THESE HOUSES, UH, ALONG THE REST OF THE STREET. SO I'M, I'M KIND OF AMBI ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF ANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THAT. WELL, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AND, UM, I'VE ALWAYS HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, THE LOT COVERAGE AND THE, THE, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNDER THE, [00:45:01] THE 50%, UM, BUT NOT HAVING MUCH YARD FOR THE, THE NORTH HALF OF EACH DUPLEX, UM, THAT THERE'S REALLY NO OUTDOOR SPACE OTHER THAN THE, THE FRONT YARD. AND, UH, SO I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE DENSITY, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONDED TO, UH, PREVIOUS COMMISSION COMMENTS IN TERMS OF, UH, THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS AND, AND SHORTENING THE BUILDINGS WITH THAT, DELETING THAT O THE OVERHANG, UM, BALCONY ON THE REAR. UM, SO IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, C COM COMMISSIONER, FE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I, I'M INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION. NOW I'M, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE, WITH THE LEVEL OF, UM, UH, COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THAT DON'T SEEM THAT, UH, THAT EMOTION WOULD, WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? BUT, BUT, UH, BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MOTION HAS TO GET A SECOND, THEN IT'S GOTTA PASS OR, OR IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF WORTHLESS, RIGHT? BUT I, I, I JUST WANNA, WANNA JUST, UH, MAYBE DETAIL ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED THAT, THAT ARIEL THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW PUT UP, UH, THIS IS A VERY TELLING IMAGE FACING, UH, DAWSON, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S HISTORIC CONTEXT. YES. UH, THE HOUSE, YOU, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE HOUSE WOULD BE ORIENTED AND YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE YARDS OF ALL THE OLDER HOUSES, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK. BUT FACING OLIVE, IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SEE EVERYWHERE ELSE. SO IF YOU TOOK THOSE LOTS AND YOU DIVIDED IT BY THREE, THE, THE MORE NORMAL DIMENSION THAT YOU WOULD SEE IS 50 FEET, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO 50 FOOT PER LOT. SO IF YOU PLANTED THAT PROPERTY INTO THREE PROPERTIES, YOU'D HAVE THREE 50 FOOT LOTS. NOW, THE VERY TYPICAL SITUATION IS FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT. AND THE FRONT SETBACK TYPICALLY IS 20 FEET. SO IF YOU COULD DO THREE UNITS THERE, IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT THIS WAY, THAT WOULD TAKE UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE. NOW IT, SO, SO WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN TO, TO ORIENT THESE WHERE YOU HAVE 10 AND THEN 10 AND THEN 10 INSTEAD OF FIVE AND FIVE AND FIVE AND FIVE AND FIVE AND FIVE, YOU, YOU REALLY HAVE THE SAME, UM, THE SAME FOOTPRINT PATTERN. UM, NOW, SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S JUST A LITTLE, I THINK THE SUBTLE DETAIL, WE ARE GOING TO GET VERY DEEP INTO THE WEEDS OF HOW WE'RE EITHER SAYING ONE THING OR THE OTHER. WE'RE EITHER SAYING THAT THERE'S SOME UNKNOWN WITH RESPECT TO THIS DIAGRAM OR THAT THEY HAVE TO FACE DAWSON. BUT WITHOUT BEING EMPOWERED TO SAY THAT, THAT, THAT, HEY, MR. APPLICANT, THEY HAVE TO FACE DAWSON, WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US IS THEM FACING OLIVE. SO WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS PATTERN AND THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GET THREE LOTS OUTTA THAT AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD ON THREE, IT DOES HIT US WITH JUST KIND OF THE, JUST THE, THE, UM, THE WAY THAT THEY'VE GONE ABOUT DOING IT. NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY CAME BEFORE US AT THE LAST SESSION AND WE DIDN'T TELL 'EM THAT THEY COULDN'T DO IT. WE IN FACT SUPPORTED THE IDEA THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE, BUT PROVIDED THAT THEY DID THIS OR THAT, YOU KNOW, A FEW THINGS. NOW, THIS IS NOT IN A D R C, THIS WAS BEFORE THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? SO THEY'VE COME BACK AND THEY'VE MET A MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED EVEN TO THE LEVEL OF THE ROOFS. THAT ALONG THE LINES OF, I THINK WHAT, WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS JUST SAID WAS THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS IN A WAY, IS KIND OF A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE ROOF LIGHTS, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE REAR, THE PROXIMITY TO THE CORNER, THEY'VE MET THOSE OBJECTIVES. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE AERIAL AND LOOK AT THE, THE SIZE VISUALLY AND THE, THE OTHER HOUSES, BUT ALSO THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE ON THAT PROBABLY WHAT IS A BUS LINE THAT IS CLOSER TO THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. AND THE FACT THAT THE SA TOMORROW AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, UH, TRANSIT PLANS ARE SAYING THAT WHERE THESE DENSITIES ARE APPROPRIATE ARE AS WE PUSH THEM UP TO THOSE, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. AND THAT IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, I THINK, OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED, NOT JUST WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT WITH THE IDEA OF WHAT WE TAKE INTO, INTO, INTO THE [00:50:01] CONTEXT OF OUR, OF OUR THOUGHT PROCESSES. IT'S, IT'S A LOT, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHAT I THINK, UM, GUIDES US NOT JUST TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, BUT ALSO WHAT IS, UH, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF HOW SAN ANTONIO LOOKS LIKE IT'S WANTS TO DEVELOP OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 30 YEARS. SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND BY TAKING ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, I, I, I, I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE I, I REALLY HATE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT'S NOT GONNA PASS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT FOR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WITH, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND NINE. UH, UM, YES, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. BUT, UH, FOR, UH, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 4, 5, 6, 7, AND NINE, AND WITH RESPECT TO ROOF THAT WE, WE ENABLE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AND SHOW A ROOF PITCH THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ROOF PITCHES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S MY MOTION. SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'D LIKE TO JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THERE, THERE'S SOME REALLY THOUGHTFUL, UM, RATIONALE BEHIND THAT, PARTICULARLY THE, THE 50 50 50, UH, SPLIT ON THE, UM, ON THE LOTS. BUT I THINK MORE TRADITIONALLY, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN FIVE AND FIVE ON EITHER SIDE. YOU WOULD'VE SEEN FIVE AND MAYBE 10 OR 12 'CAUSE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY. AND THE OTHER DISTINCTION IS, IS THAT THAT'S TYPICALLY WOULD BE ONE OR ONE AND A HALF STORY BUILDINGS. HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FULL TWO STORY, SO THAT THERE IS A QUALITATIVE DIFFERENCE. UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT FACING THE OLIVE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD PRACTICALLY DEVELOP THIS WAS YOU DID CREATE A BUNCH OF SEPARATE DRIVES AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, MAYBE LESS DESIRABLE, UH, OUTPUT COMES FROM THAT. AND, AND, AND JUST AS LONG AS THAT CORNER, UH, UNIT RESPONDS TO THE FACT THAT IT IS AT A CORNER UNIT AND, AND PRESENTS A PHASE TO DAWSON, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS ACHIEVED THAT. SO I, I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. UM, SO I, I WILL, UH, SECOND THAT MOTION SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSE, UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY. NAY. AYE. AYE. THAT, THAT WAS THREE TO FOUR, SO A MOTION DOES NOT PASS. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I RECOMMEND DENIAL, UM, BASED ON, UM, STAFF FINDINGS A THROUGH B. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND FOR DENIAL. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY, NAY, NAY. THAT LOOKED LIKE FOUR TO THREE AS WELL. SO THAT MOTION PASSES. I THANK YOU. [6. 20-6506 Address/Description: 335 TRAIL HDRC Case No.: 2020-471 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: David Morin/MNO Investments Request: Consideration and action of an application for a multi-unit residential development: A. Waiver of the one-year waiting period of subsequent application for multi-unit residential development as provided for by Section 35-451(f) of the Unified Development Code, and if approved; B. Consideration of a request of a Certificate of Appropriateness for Construction City Council Dist.: 1] UM, I'M NEXT IS ITEM SIX. UM, BEAR WITH US. WE NEED TO SEND A REQUEST. WELL, ACTUALLY, EDWARD'S ALREADY MUTED, RIGHT? SO LET'S LIVE ON A MOMENT TO GET THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. OKAY, EDWARD, I'M GONNA SEND YOU A, A MUTE REQUEST. [00:55:01] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 24 71 3 35 TRAIL. THE ITEM IS, THERE ARE TWO REQUEST ITEMS. ITEM A IS THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 35,451 F TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR THE REQUEST DESCRIBED BELOW, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE VACANT LOT LOCATED AT 3 35. TRAIL PROPERTY FEATURES LOTS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY ONLY, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE TO FEATURE TWO, TWO AND ONE HALF, AND THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT. ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED FROM TRAIL STREET AND STREET. THE REQUEST INCLUDES REVISED PARKING, BUILDING DESIGN, AND BUILDING MASSING. BEAR WITH ME LAW READ THE RECOMMENDATION INTO THE RECORD. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSAL, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN SUFFICIENTLY REVISED TO WARRANT APPROVAL OF A WAIVER OF THE ONE YEAR TIMELINE LIMITATION, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, WITH STIPULATIONS THAT ARE NOTED BELOW OF THE APPLICANT. DAVID MOR. THAT IS ON THE LINE NOW. DAVID, ARE YOU THERE? HELLO? YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. WELL, UM, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS, UM, SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO GET THE SIX OUT OF, I THINK 11 COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE FOR THE WAIVER, AND WE HAVE SEVEN TODAY. SO I, I'M GOING TO REQUEST A, UH, CONTINUANCE, UM, FOR THE NEXT, UH, H D R C HEARING. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, STAFF. CAN WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR A CONTINUOUS AT THIS POINT, OR DO WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH THE COMMENTS? YOU CAN. UM, THIS HAPPENED LAST TIME, ACTUALLY, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE, UM, CARRIED FORWARD ALL OF THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED TODAY, UM, TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE H C R C IF THE MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE IS APPROVED. CAN WE JUST FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT? UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE TO CONTINUE. I'LL SECOND. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE. ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. I, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM EIGHT. UM, LEE, I'M GONNA SEND YOU A REQUEST TO UNMUTE. OH, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT THE WRONG ITEM. ITEM SEVEN. SO THIS NEEDS TO BE RACHEL, I APOLOGIZE. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? BEAR WITH US. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, I CAN. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. [7. 20-6542 Address/Description: 319 DELAWARE HDRC Case No.: 2020-461 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Julio Vazquez/Payaya Design & Build Request: Installation of a rear accessory structure constructed from two shipping containers City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 4 6 1 3 19 DELAWARE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO SHIPPING CONTAINERS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONDITION THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE DISTRICT, AS NOTED IN FINDING D TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES ROOF FORMS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPOLOGIES FOUND IN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS NOTED IN FINDING D THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN, WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND IN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDING AS I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT, JULIO ASKED HIS ON THE LINE. JULIO, DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE THE LIVESTREAM CLAIM IN THE BACKGROUND? UH, YES. IF YOU DON'T MIND MUTING THE LIVESTREAM, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ECHO AND THEN, UM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO EXPLAIN YOUR REQUEST FOR THE COMMISSION. OKAY, UH, YES, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS GIO VASQUEZ. UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD A, [01:00:01] UH, REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THREE 19, UH, DELAWARE, UH, WITH TWO SHIP CONTAINERS, 1 1 40 FOOT CONTAINER BY EIGHT FEET, UH, WIDE. THE HEIGHT, IT'S NINE SIX PLUS THE, UH, PIERS. SO TOTAL HEIGHT OF 11, UH, FEET HIGH. AND, UM, COVER, BOTH CONTAINERS ARE GOING TO BE CONNECTED, UH, WITH A METAL, UM, ROOFTOP. I MEAN, UM, CARPORT MADE OUT OF EITHER OUR PANEL OR SOME TYPE OF CORGAN METAL, SIMILAR TO 6 43 LAKE STREET, 7 8 2 1 0, UH, ON THE BACK, THEY DO HAVE A, UH, UH, REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SIMILAR, UH, MADE OUT OF THE SIMILAR ROOF. AND, UH, IT'S A LOWER, I BELIEVE THAT'S LIKE AROUND 11, UH, FEET HIGH, 12 FEET HIGH. SO, UM, I KNOW ON THE ROOF WE ARE BRINGING LIKE A FLAT ROOF, UH, FOR THE CONTAINER. WE DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I KNOW THAT'S, UH, DOESN'T FIT WITH THE, UH, REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HMM. SO WE ARE, UH, OKAY WITH, OKAY. YEAH. CAN I CONTINUE THAT? YEAH. SO WE ARE, UH, LOOKING ON CHANGING THAT PORTION OF THE 40 FOOT CONTAINER. HALF OF IT'LL BE A DECK, UM, A ROOFTOP DECK. THE OTHER HALF WILL BE COVERED WITH, UH, SOME TYPE OF METAL, EITHER OUR PANEL OR A STANDING STEAM, UH, METAL, SIMILAR TO THE STREET, UH, TO THE HI, UH, HOUSE ON, YEAH, LIKE 6 43 LAKE STREET. AND, UM, LEMME SEE, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? YES, UH, EITHER LIKE THEIR PANEL OR, UH, UM, , UM, COVER, UH, PITCH. UH, THE PITCH ANGLE WILL BE FACING THE HIGHWAY. I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ON THE HIGHWAY, YOU SEE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE ROOF, UH, FLAT. SO WE'RE THINKING OF MAKING A, A SINGLE ANGLE, UH, FACING, UH, THE HIGHWAY, EITHER A 25 DEGREE OR 35 DEGREE ANGLE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION GOES FOR YOU GUYS. AND, UH, FINAL ONE OF THE, UH, CONCERNS WAS THE WINDOWS. WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO INSTALL WINDOWS FACING THE HIGHWAY, UM, SIMILAR TO THE WINDOWS, UH, ON 3 0 2 BARRETA STREET. UH, THREE 11 DELAWARE. THREE 11 DELAWARE HAS, UH, A WINDOW NEXT, UH, FACING THE NEIGHBOR FACING THREE, UH, 15, SIMILAR TO THE WINDOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INSTALL. I KNOW THREE 11 DELAWARE, UM, THERE IS SOME OTHER ONE. UH OH YEAH. AND ESPECIALLY 5 32 DIVINE STREET HAS WINDOWS SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING. THIS ONE FACES TOWARDS THE BACK, UH, FIRST SADIE. UM, I KNOW THE OTHER ONE WAS THE EXTERIOR, EXTERIOR, THE CONTAINER. SO ON THIS, ON THE EXTERIOR, UM, WE DON'T KNOW, UH, WE CAN'T, UH, IF YOU GUYS ALLOW US TO, WE CAN PAINT THE CONTAINER A NATURAL GRAY, UM, COLOR OR IF YOU GUYS REQUIRE US TO COVER IT WITH SOME TYPE OF SIDING, MAYBE, UH, FACING THE HIGHWAY SO THAT IT WON'T BE TOO, UH, VISIBLE. BUT, UH, THAT, THAT CAN BE A GOOD, UH, CHANGE TO IT IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT. EITHER, UH, JUST PAINTED A GRAY, UH, NATURAL GRAY COLOR, OR IF WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN THAT TO COVER, UH, WHAT'S FACING ON THE HIGHWAY NOW. WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE STRUCTURE WON'T INTERFERE WITH, UH, I MEAN, WE BELIEVE IT WON'T INTERFERE DAMAGE THE HISTORIC LOOK ON THE BACK BECAUSE THAT STREET ON THE BACK, IT'S LIKE A BACK ALLEY. THERE'S A DEAD END, THERE'S NO TRUE TRAFFIC. AND, UH, THE CONTAINER DOESN'T FACE THE FRONT OF A, OF THE BACK, UH, HOUSE. SO THERE BASICALLY A REAR FENCE REAR, UH, YARD WITH THE REAR YARD, AND THEN JUST THE STREET IN BETWEEN. SO, BUT WE ARE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, UH, FROM YOU GUYS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM, I, I AGREE WITH STAFF IN THEIR DIRECTION ON THE STIPULATIONS, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO, WE WERE ALSO PROVIDED A LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY THAT SUPPORTED THAT POSITION. BUT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE DRC SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE SEE A, SEE AN UPDATE TO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING? I DON'T THINK THE DOCUMENTS ARE, ARE IN A PLACE THAT WE CAN TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT TODAY DAY. YES, SIR. UH, WE CAN MEET, UH, WITH YOU GUYS, UH, TO PRESENT THE CHANGES, UH, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU GUYS WERE PROVIDING. YES. AND THEN SEE, OUR JOB, BASICALLY, WE WANNA [01:05:01] WORK WITH THE, WITH YOU GUYS. WE DON'T WANNA BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE UNDERSTAND. UH, IT'S A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE WOULD LIKE, UH, UH, ANY, UH, ANY ADVICE OR RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME. AND WE'RE, WE NEED TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS. YES. I, I, I THINK A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WOULD BE THE MOST, MOST APPROPRIATE VENUE AND, UH, STAFF. CAN, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION NOW OR DID WE HAVE COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. FORGOT COMMENTS. WE DO HAVE ONE, UM, FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO STRONGLY AGREES WITH THE STAFF MEDICATIONS FOR THREE 19 DELAWARE STREET, PROPOSED REAR STRUCTURES, WHICH ARE VISIBLE FROM THE HIGHWAY, NOT RELATE TO THIS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ARE INAPPROPRIATE AND PATTERN, FORM AND MATERIALS RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED TO CONSERVATION SITING. SO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR MOTION TO SEND THIS TO D R C COMMISSIONER FISH? UH, YES. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. SORRY, I WAS FIGHTING THE BUTTON. UH, I MOVE TO REMAND THIS TO THE D R C, THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER . I'D LIKE TO SECOND IT, UH, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO TELL THE APPLICANT, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY AND THE DESIGN OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, TO SUPPORT THIS AS IT IS BECAUSE IT, IT IS A TRUE STATEMENT OF THE, OF THE, UH, TECHNOLOGY AND THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF. BUT I DO ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, TO, UH, SIT WITH THE D F C AS, UM, BEFORE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, I SECOND COMMISSIONER FISH'S, UH, UH, MOTION AND HOPE FOR, UH, REAL PRODUCTIVE OUTCOME. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO THE DESIGNER VIEW COMMITTEE. ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY, [8. 20-6534 Address/Description: 516 NOLAN ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-482 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Jether Farino Request: Site modifications City Council Dist.: 2] NOW WE'RE UP TO ITEM EIGHT. WE, ONCE I FIND YOU, I'M GONNA SEND YOU A REQUEST. YOU'RE ACTUALLY, YOU'RE UNMUTED NOW. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE NUMBER 20 24 82. AT FIVE 16 NOLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL EDGING BETWEEN THE FRONT LAWN AND THE DRIVEWAY, FEATURING A SINGLE WITH ROW OF LIMESTONE MASONRY AND CEMENT MORTAR TWO TO INSTALL TWO FEET WIDE PLANTER BOXES, FLANKING THE FRONT WALKWAY FEATURING LIMESTONE, MASONRY AND CEMENT MORTAR. AND THREE, REPLACE OVERGROUND SHRUBBERY IN THE FRONT PLANTING STRIPS WITH GRASS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AND TWO, BASED ON FINDING B AND C AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT TRADITIONAL EDGING STRIPS AND ZERO ESCAPING WITH PLANT BEDS AT GRADE WITHOUT PERMANENT WALLS BE INSTALLED. THE APPLICANT MAY RESUBMIT A DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES TO STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT NO LARGE AREAS OF MULCH, GRAVEL, OR HARDSCAPE IS INTRODUCED TO, TO THE PLANNING STRIP WITHOUT ADDITIONAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UH, THE APPLICANT, J FARINO IS ON THE LINE. JER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO OPEN UP WITH, UM, SOME COMMENTS BEFORE THE COMMISSION RESPONDS. OH, SURE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY, GOOD. UM, YEAH, I'M, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. UM, SO I'M REALLY KIND OF JUST OPEN TO YOU GUYS' RECOMMENDATIONS. MY MAIN REASON FOR USING THE LIMESTONE IS THAT I JUST HAVE A LOT OF IT. AND I, UH, HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE HERE OUT IN, UH, THE FAIR OAKS RANCH AREA OF BEXAR COUNTY AND A LOT OF LIMESTONE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT DOWNTOWN INDIGNITY HAS OWNED THIS HOUSE FOR GOING ON 11, 12 YEARS NOW. UH, JUST OUTGREW IT. I'VE GOT A LARGER FAMILY AND I'M TRYING TO KIND OF BRING IT UP TO A MORE GRANDEUR, UH, YOU KNOW, OF, OF WHAT IT WAS ONCE LONG TIME AGO WHEN IT WAS ONE OF THE, THE UPPER SUBURBS OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, IF, IF EDGING IS KINDA WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WANTING, UM, I GUESS I JUST WANT SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT WOULD BE A NICE EDGING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE METAL AND THE PLASTIC STRIP TYPE EDGING KIND OF SEEMS CHINSY CHEEK. UM, IF IT'S THE MASONRY, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT. I JUST KNOW THAT THAT SOIL, UM, EXPERIENCE IS VERY LADEN WITH THAT CALICHE CLAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I, THERE ARE, THERE ARE MASONRY PIECES THAT, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T DONE APPROPRIATELY WITH THE RIGHT BASE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT, IT MOVES OVER TIME. I, I, I THINK I, I, I DON'T HAVE TO DO THE MAINSTREAM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I'LL BE HOLDING ONTO THE HOUSE. UM, [01:10:01] SO IF IT SHIFTS MY PERFECTION TYPE PART OF ME DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE THAT. IT WON'T BE MY PROBLEM IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS. IF IT'S THE SIZE OF THE LIMESTONE, THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT CAN BE CUT TO BE SMALLER. UM, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE RAISED PER SE. I KNOW WHEN I DREW ON THERE, IT PROBABLY LOOKED PRETTY BIG, BUT, UM, I'M JUST A PRETTY BAD ARTIST. UM, AND I'M REALLY GLAD YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH ME TAKING OUT THE, THE SHRUBS ON THAT FRONT STRIP. UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE. IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, IN THE WAY OF PEDESTRIANS AND I THINK IT'S, UH, CAUSED ME SOME ISSUES BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY TO BLOCK THINGS WHEN YOU DON'T CUT IT BACK IN THAT, THAT TEXAS SAGE AND, UH, ROSEMARY JUST LOVED THAT HEAT. THEY JUST GROW AND GROW AND GROW, AND YOU GOTTA STAY ON IT AND NOT ALWAYS ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, KIND OF LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, JUST DOING TOO MUCH WITH TOO LITTLE TIME. UM, AND THEN MY SAME COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE, THE LIMESTONES OR THE DRIVEWAY. IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING. JUST KIND OF POINT ME IN THE DIRECTION YOU GUYS ARE WANTING AND DEFINITELY FLEXIBLE. UM, JUST WANTING TO KIND OF BRING OUT THE, THE, THE BEAUTY OF THE FRONT LAWN, JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE AREA THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A BIT OF A FRONT YARD BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE STREET AND SET BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THE HOUSES NEXT TO IT AND ACROSS THE STREET. UM, I'LL JUST STOP THERE AND THANK YOU, MR. WE DO HAVE COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THEM. UM, THIS CAME FROM SCOTT ALBERT ACTUALLY. UM, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S ALL IT SAYS. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, DESIRE TO WORK WITH US AND KNOW THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HOME, HAS A LOT OF CHARACTER. I THINK JUST FINDING THE RIGHT MATERIAL POWER, UH, KINDA THE RIGHT DETAILS TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY MATTER. BUT I'D LIKE TO DEFER, UH, TO OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THE CONVICTION TO SEE IF HE'S GOT SOME, UH, SHORT TERM COMM UH, SUGGESTIONS OR IF WE SHOULD, UH, DEFER THIS TO A B R C. THIS IS COMMISSIONER UNE. UH, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT. I, UH, DON'T OBJECT TO THE, UH, PLANTING STRIPS, BUT, UH, I THINK THE RAISED LIMESTONE IS INAPPROPRIATE. I WOULD BE, UM, OPEN TO SOME LIMESTONE EDGING THAT'S, UH, A NARROW AND FLUSH WITH THE SURFACE. UH, NOT, UH, NOT SO MUCH ADJACENT TO THE, UH, CONCRETE WALK, BUT AT THE OTHER EDGE OF THE PLANTING BED. SO JUST ONE ROW OF, UH, LANDSCAPE EDGING, I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, SO LONG AS IT'S, UH, NARROW AND, UH, FLUSH WITH THE, UH, ADJACENT GROUND. OKAY, MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I CONCUR WITH THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY KIND OF MY THOUGHT ABOUT IT AS WELL. I, I SUPPORT STAFF'S COMMENTS ON THIS. UM, I, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP THE MATERIAL PALATE IN DETAIL ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COMMISSIONER, UH, FU HAD JUST DESCRIBED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS [9. 20-6546 Address/Description: 135 W ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-481 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Kristy Kosub Request: Front walkway replacement City Council Dist.: 1] US TO ITEM NINE. STEPHANIE, ARE YOU THERE? I, I THINK THAT'S IT. HEAR? YES. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER NINE H, YOUR C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 4 81. ADDRESS, 1 35 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE [01:15:01] THE EXISTING FRONT CONCRETE WALKWAY WITH A NEW GRAY BRICK WALKWAY. THE WALKWAY WIDTH IS REQUESTED TO BE RETAINED AT FIVE FEET. THE APP DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B. THE REPORTING OF THE WALKWAY IN KIND IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. AND I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, CHRISTIE ON THE LINE. CHRISTIE, DID YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M CHRISTIE SSA. NO, CHRISTIE, DO YOU WANNA CONNECT, GET A SUMMARY OF YOUR REQUEST? YES. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. UM, WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME, UM, THE FRONT SIDEWALK LEADING UP TO MY HOME, UM, IN THE PORTION THAT IS, UM, UP FROM THE, UM, PUBLIC SIDEWALK HAD A VERY LARGE KIND OF CIRCULAR CRACK THAT HAS SINCE GOTTEN EVEN MORE DAMAGED OVER THE YEARS. AND SO I WANTED TO REPLACE THAT SECTION OF SIDEWALK LEADING UP TO THE HOME FROM THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, UM, SO THAT IT WAS A MORE SAFE WALKWAY. UM, WHEN I DECIDED TO DO THIS, I WENT TO THE SAN ANTONIO, UH, THE GUIDE TO SAN ANTONIO, HISTORIC RESOURCES TO LOOK FOR INFORMATION, AND NOTED THERE THAT, UM, WITHIN MONTE VISTA, SIDEWALKS AND WALKWAYS WERE NOTED TO BE OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS, INCLUDING CONCRETE AND BRICK. UM, I LOOKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR HOMES SIMILAR TO MINE THAT, UM, TO GET IDEAS AND NOTED THAT THERE WAS, AGAIN, A LOT OF VARIATION INCLUDING BRICKS, PAVERS, STONED, AS WELL AS CONCRETE. UM, SO WHEN I CHOSE THE IDEA TO DO THESE BRICK PAVERS, I THOUGHT THAT ONE, IT MATCHES NOT ONLY THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOME, IT MATCHES THE COLOR AND STYLE OF MY HOME, AND IT ALSO MATCHES THE PAVERS THAT, UM, I HAD PLANNED TO PUT IN THE BACKYARD OF THE HOUSE AS WELL. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, THIS COMES FROM PAUL KINISON, THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION HAS NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS APP APPLICATION FOR A C O A TO REPLACE THE FRONT SIDEWALK. HOWEVER, AS CHAIR OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, I CONCUR WITH THE CITY'S OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MY OPINION. THANK YOU. SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, OR, AND ALSO THE APPLICANT. LOOKING AT THE SIDE PLAN, YOU'RE SHOWING A FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK AND THEN A THREE FOOT WIDE, IT SAYS PAVERS TO REAR YARD. IS THAT EXISTING OR ARE YOU ALSO PROPOSING THAT AS NEW AND THEN THE ADDED BRICK PAVERS ON THE SIDE BEHIND THE FRONT GATE? UH, IS THAT AN EXISTING GATE? YES, SIR. THE, THE GATE AND FENCE ARE EXISTING TO THE HOME ALREADY. UM, THERE'S A PATCH OF DIRT, UM, THAT LEADS FROM THE GATE TO GET IN THE FRONT YARD TO THE SIDEWALK THAT LEADS UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME. SO RATHER THAN HAVE A PATCH OF DIRT, I WANTED TO INCLUDE THE BRICK PAVERS IN THAT AREA TOO. AND, AND STAFF, I CAN JUMP IN FINDING C AND THE RECOMMENDATION ADDRESSES THOSE PARTICULAR PORTIONS OF THE REQUEST, UM, BASED ON THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE, THOSE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, SO THOSE AREN'T ON TODAY'S, UM, CONSIDERATION. IT'S, UM, THE REPLACEMENT OF, OF THE WALKWAY THAT ENGAGES THE SIDEWALK. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER. I JUST HAVE A FEW BRIEF THOUGHTS HERE. I THINK THE, THE NEW WALKWAY AND THE SIDE AREA, UM, IS, IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE. AND AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE DON'T, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEM HERE TODAY BECAUSE IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRIMARY SIDEWALK, I MEAN, ONE OF OUR CHARGES IS TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING THAT PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND MATERIAL, UM, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS IN SITU. AND, AND WHILE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BRICK SIDEWALKS IN, UH, IN MONTE VISTA, THEY'RE TYPICALLY HISTORICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE. SO I, I CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE AND GET THE MONTE VISTA NEIGHBOR [01:20:02] AT THIS TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT, THAT THE, UH, I THINK REPLACING THE, THE, UH, CONCRETE SIDEWALK IN KIND, UH, THE WIDTH, THE, UH, THE FLARE UP AT THE PORCH, UM, I THINK I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN. UM, I BELIEVE THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS WOULD BE TO, TO MOVE FOR DENIAL. ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS CAN BE DEALT WITH ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH STAFF. SECOND COMMISSION GIVES A SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. I'M, I'M ABSTAINING ON THIS ONE. OLA. ONE ABSTENTION. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY, RACHEL, [10. 20-6530 Address/Description: 333 W LULLWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-474 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Josephat Valdez Request: Window replacement and fenestration modifications City Council Dist.: 1] ARE YOU READY TO GO? ITEM 10? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 4 7 4 3 33. WESTWOOD, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION WITH SLIDER WINDOWS TWO, REMOVE AND ENCLOSED TWO WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. I THINK WE LOST YOU. YEAH. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. SHOULD I REREAD THE REQUEST? UM, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE ITEMS. OKAY. UH, ONE, REPLACE TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION WITH THE SLIDER WINDOW. TWO, REMOVE AND ENCLOSED TWO WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. THREE. REPLACE THE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW ON THE REAR ELEVATION WITH ONE OF THE SALVAGE WINDOWS FROM THE EAST ELEVATION. FOUR. REPLACE A WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION WITH A SMALLER WINDOW. FIVE. REMOVE AND ENCLOS ONE WINDOW OPENING ON THE WEST ELEVATION. SIX. REMOVE A WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION AND ENLARGE THE OPENING TO INSTALL A DOOR. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING C. ITEM TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REMOVE AND ENCLOS TWO WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. BASED ON FINDING C. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAIN THE SO WINDOW OPENING. ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE REAR WINDOW BASED ON FINDING D DUE TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AGAINST REMOVING THE WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE REAR WINDOW WITH A WINDOW THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. ITEM FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO EQUATE OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION. BASED ON FINDING, E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAIN THE SIZE OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENING AND INSTALLS A REPLACEMENT WINDOW THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATION ITEM FIVE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REMOVE AND ENCLOSED THE WINDOW OPENING ON THE WEST ELEVATION. BASED ON FINDING F. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENING. AND ITEM SIX STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO MODIFY THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING ON THE WEST ELEVATION TO ACCOMMODATE A DOOR INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD DOOR TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR ANY SIDE PORCH AND OR DECKING INSTALLATION PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE NEW DOOR OPENING. UH, THE APPLICANT'S ROSIE VALDEZ AND VICTORIA ARE ON THE LINE NOW. UM, ROSIE AND VICTORIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEFLY DESCRIBE YOUR REQUEST FOR THE COMMISSIONERS? YES. UM, THANK YOU FOR, FOR TAKING TIME TO LISTEN TO US. UM, SO WE WANT TO BRING THIS ADORABLE COTTAGE UP TO DATE. ON THE INSIDE WE ARE TAKING THIS TO ONE TO A THREE, TWO, SO WE'RE MAKING ANOTHER BEDROOM AND ANOTHER BATHROOM. SO WE, UM, NEED TO MOVE AROUND SOME OF THE WINDOWS, UM, LIKE SHE SPECIFIED. UM, SO THE FIRST ONE, SO THE REPLACING OF THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION WITH SLIDER WINDOWS. THAT PART IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ONE BATHROOM AND MAKE IT INTO TWO BATHROOMS AND MAKE THE WINDOWS SHORTER. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, THEY'RE NOT LIKE SLIDER. WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SLIDER DOORS FOR THE BATHROOM. JUST, YEAH. SO WE JUST WANNA TAKE IT FROM A FULL SIZED WINDOW TO A SMALLER WINDOW THAT WOULD FIT THE BATHROOM AND IF, UM, HI, THIS IS VICTORIA, AND IF SLIDER [01:25:01] WINDOWS, UM, ARE NOT APPROVED, UM, BY THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, THEN THAT'S FINE TOO. UM, MAYBE A SUGGESTION OF WHAT KIND OF SMALLER WINDOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE IN THOSE BATHROOMS, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE IN BATHROOMS. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOWS ARE, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE FOR THE BATHROOM. CAN'T HAVE A FULL SIZE ONE INSIDE THE BATHROOM, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND NUMBER TWO, WE ARE LOOKING TO REMOVE AN ENCLOSED TWO WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE SAME SIDE. SO BASICALLY WE'RE REMOVING THOSE TWO, RIGHT? MM-HMM. REMOVING THOSE TWO. AND THAT'S THE SECOND SLIDER, RIGHT? I KNOW SHE'S ON THE . OKAY, NUMBER THREE IS, UM, NUMBER THREE WAS APPROVED. SO GOING ON TO NUMBER FOUR. NUMBER FOUR IS REPLACE A WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION WITH A SMALLER WINDOW. SO THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, SORRY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND WITH THIS, THE, WE ARE SHIFTING THE KITCHEN. SO THE KITCHEN WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT IT A LITTLE TO THE RIGHT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, MAKING IT BIGGER AND AN ISLAND. SO WE JUST WANNA REPLACE THE, THE WINDOW THERE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ON TOP OF A SINK. AND RIGHT NOW WHERE IT'S AT, IT'S TOO BIG, UM, TO, TO TOO BIG TO WHERE IT'S AT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA BE SHIFTING IT OVER. SO THE SINK NEEDS TO HAVE A SMALLER WINDOW, UM, ON TOP OF IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. OTHERWISE, UM, THE EXISTING WINDOW HEIGHT, UM, DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE CABINET, UM, TO BE INSTALLED. CORRECT. WHERE THE PROPOSED, UM, LAYOUT, UM, WELL, THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT WAS FOR THE SINK. AND THEN LIKE THAT GOES INTO NUMBER FIVE, WHERE IT'S SAME THING WHERE IT'S MOVING THE WINDOW SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE CABINETS, UM, LINE UP TO THE KITCHEN. AND WHEN WE, THE WINDOWS THAT WE WANNA REMOVE, WE WILL REUSE THOSE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE OTHER, THROUGHOUT OTHER PART OF THE HOUSE AND REPLACE SOME OF THEM THAT MAY BE BROKEN. WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE BROKEN OR HAVE A CRACK THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE REUSE THE ONES THAT WE'RE TAKING ON ONE SIDE TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE. UM, WE DEFINITELY WANNA KEEP THE INTEGRITY AND EVERYTHING. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE LAYOUT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDO THE, IT LOOKS GOOD. LIKE IT LOOKS GOOD THROUGH THE INSIDE. UM, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE THE LAST HOUSE ON ELLWOOD, SO WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OR ANYTHING, SO WE'RE, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, FROM, WELL, NOT FROM THE LEFT, BUT ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET TO THE COMMISSION? COMMENTS? OH, OKAY. YES. THIS COMES FROM PAUL KENON, UM, THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION FOR C O A TO REPLACE WINDOWS ADMINISTRATION MODIFICATIONS. HOWEVER, CHAIR AS THE MHAS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, I CONCUR WITH THE CITY OF OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF'S FINDINGS, RECOMMENDATIONS, AND STIPULATIONS TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I, I STUDIED THIS, UH, CASE IN ADVANCE AND, AND, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE, AND YOU STARTED OFF, UM, SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY ADORABLE, CHARMING COTTAGE. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU WITH THAT. UM, AND I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE INVESTMENT TO TRY TO REHABILITATE IT THAT ALL THE WAY, WAY, BUT I'M CONCERNED WHEN THE REHABILITATION PLAN REQUIRES THIS MANY MODIFICATIONS TO SUCH AN IMPORTANT, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF WINDOWS. IT SHOULD KIND OF SET OFF ALARM BELLS FOR, FOR YOU ALL, BUT MAYBE YOU'RE TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING THAT, THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK, OR, OR IS JUST REQUIRING TOO MANY ALTERATIONS TO MAKE IT WORK. UM, SO I THINK STAFF HAS THIS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND, AND THE, THE SAKE OF SORT OF ABBREVIATING THIS, THIS, UH, DISCUSSION. I'M GONNA SAY, UH, MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVALS OF ITEMS THREE AND SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND DENIAL OF THE REMAINDER. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO, UM, KEEP THE WINDOWS AS IS. YOU CAN'T MOVE THEM TO ACCOMMODATE [01:30:01] THE KITCHEN REMODEL. WELL, IF THIS IS CHAIRMAN HETZER, IF THE MOTION PASSES, THEN, UH, THAT IS CORRECT. BUT, UH, YOU COULD ALWAYS REQUEST A, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING MEETING, UH, WHICH IS MORE INFORMAL, AND, UH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, COME TO SOME RESOLUTION, UH, NOT IN THIS FORUM, BUT, UH, NEXT WEEK AT A D R C. YES. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, SORRY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON THE, UH, THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS. UM, WE CAN COME BACK, UH, WITH, WITH NEW PROPOSALS OR ASK FOR A D R C, UM, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT WINDOW IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN YOUR PROPOSED KITCHEN, YOU COULD RETAIN THAT. AND RATHER THAN JUST TAKING SORT OF YOUR STANDARD BASE CABINET AND SLAMMING IT UP AGAINST THE WINDOW, KNOWING THERE'S A CONFLICT THERE, THE WAY IN WHICH YOU DETAIL THAT TO SET OFFSET THE CABINET WHERE YOU CAN RETAIN THE WINDOW AND, UH, CREATE LIKE A, A, A SILL OR A DETAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE WAYS IN WHICH YOU, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPORTANCE OF PRIVACY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING RATHER THAN JUST WHOLESALE MAKING ALL THESE CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, STANDARD CONDITIONS. SO, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER IN C BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED UP ON . SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. HEY, NEXT IS ITEM 11. WE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. ALRIGHT. [11. 20-6538 Address/Description: 227 PALO BLANCO ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-464 Historic District Name: Mission Applicant: Jerry Contreras/CONTRERAS JERRY Request: Siding repairs, window repairs, skirting installation City Council Dist.: 3] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, CASE NUMBER 20 24 64 AT 2 27, PAOLO BLANCO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE FIVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND TWO WIND WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS. TWO, REPLACE AREAS OF DAMAGED WOOD SIDING IN KIND AND THREE, REPLACE SKIRTING THROUGHOUT IN KIND STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND ITEM ONE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING B AND C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE RESTORATION OF TWO WOOD WINDOWS REMAINING ON SITE, WHEREAS THE OTHER FIVE WINDOWS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT WITH A WINDOW PRODUCT THAT ADHERES TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE ALLOWANCE OF A NON-WOOD PRODUCT. IF ALL OTHER SPECIFICATIONS ARE MET, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO AND THREE BASED ON FINDING D AND E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE SCOPE OF SIDING REPLACEMENT IS LIMITED TO ONLY IDENTIFIED ROTTEN OR MISSING AREAS TO FEATURE WOOD LAP SIDING WITH 1 0 5 PROFILE AND EXCLUDES WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OR NON-CONFORMING MATERIALS SUCH AS COMPOSITE SIDING. TWO, THAT WOOD SIDING WITH 1 0 5 PROFILE IS USED AS SKIRTING MATERIAL AND THAT THE APPLICANT MAY USE A SINGLE MEMBER OF PARTY OR CONCEALED METAL FLASHING AT GRADE. THIS CASE COMES TO US AS A COMPLIANCE CASE. A STOP WORK ORDER WAS POSTED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR WORK WITHOUT PERMITS AT THE PROPERTY AT 2 27 BLANCO. CONSEQUENTLY, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON OCTOBER 12TH TO BE HEARD AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, SIE CONTRERAS IS ON THE LINE. SIE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO OPEN WITH SOME COMMENTS BEFORE THE COMMISSION RESPONDS. YES. HI, THIS IS SUSIE CONTRERAS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UM, WE WERE, UH, I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN HOW OUR HOME, AND WE HAD IT RENTED OUT, UH, APPARENTLY OR NOT APPARENTLY, BUT THE RENTERS, UH, DESTROYED THE HOME INSIDE AND OUT. BROKE WINDOWS, BROKE EVERYTHING. UH, THERE WERE HOLES IN THE WALLS. IT WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED BY THE PREVIOUS RENTER. THEY ABANDONED THE HOUSE WITHOUT US KNOWING. AND BY THE TIME WE FOUND OUT, UM, AND SHOWED UP, UH, OF COURSE, WINDOWS WERE BROKEN AT THAT TIME. THIS WAS IN MARCH. AT THAT TIME, THE, IT WAS RAINING, IT WAS, THE WEATHER WAS BAD. MY HUSBAND TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO JUST BUY WINDOWS AT HOME DEPOT, REPLACE THE ONE, ALL, ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL BROKEN. AND, UM, WE HAD TWO OF THE WOODEN WINDOWS INTACT. THEY WERE BROKEN, BUT THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, THEY TOOK 'EM, THEY TOOK THE WOOD FRAMES OFF THE PERSON THAT WE HAD, AND THEY WERE THERE WHEN I APPLIED FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE PERSON WE HAVE, CLEAN PERSON, WE HAVE CLEANING THE YARD THAT GOES EVERY TWO WEEKS TO CLEAN THE YARD, [01:35:01] THREW THEM AWAY WITHOUT NOTIFYING US. AND SO NOW WE DON'T HAVE THOSE WINDOWS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THAT WINDOW IN THE FRONT WHERE THE UNIT, UH, AC IS THAT THERE'S A MORE RECENT PICTURE WHERE THAT WINDOW WAS COMPLETELY BROKEN. AND, UM, ALL THE SIDING BECAUSE OF THE AC I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENED. ALL THAT SIDING THERE WAS ROTTEN, IT ROTTED OUT. UM, I DON'T KNOW. WE REPLACED THE WINDOWS WITH NEWER WINDOWS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT SINCE THEY ARE INSTALLED ALREADY. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? WE DO NOT. CAN I, SO MS. CAN SAY ONE MORE THING? YES, GO AHEAD. IF, IF, IF ALL POSSIBLE, I MEAN, I, IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I WOULD REP, SINCE ALL THE WINDOWS WE ALREADY REPLACED, ALL THE WINDOWS, IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGE TO, UM, ADHERE WITH THE HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, VIEW OF THIS AREA, WE CAN OR, AND WE WILL REPLACE THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS, UM, AND MAKE THEM WOOD IF NEED BE, OR GO WITH DETAILED WHEN WINDOWS. SO MS. CONTRERAS, UM, YOU SAID THE TWO WOOD WINDOWS THAT WERE SALVAGED ARE NO LONGER THERE, THAT THEY'VE BEEN, UH, TOSSED. IS THAT CORRECT? PLEASE? CALL WAS DROPPED, SO WE'LL GET HIM BACK HERE IN A SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE YOU CALLED IN YET. OH, THERE YOU ARE. HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES. I'M, UH, I'LL CALL THE APPLICANT BACK RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. COMMISSIONERS. UH, I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT BACK. I BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE SPEAKING FOR ABOUT TWO MINUTES WITHOUT, UH, US ON THE LINE. THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM YES, CHAIRMAN FETZER, I THINK. YES. UM, THE, IF WE GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN, IT SHOWS THE WINDOWS, UHHUH . SO, UM, [01:40:01] WINDOWS THREE AND FOUR ORIGINALLY WERE WOODEN AND UHHUH. UH, THEY WERE ONSITE, BUT THEY NO LONGER EXIST. SOMEONE HAS TOSSED THEM, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THEY, UH, THEY TOOK THEM THINKING THEY WERE TRASHED. UH, THEY DESTROYED THE, WELL, THEY PUT 'EM IN THE TRASH, ACTUALLY. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER WINDOWS, UH, WELL, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN WERE ALL REPLACED WITH VINYL, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE THEY WERE ALUMINUM ALREADY. THEY WERE ALUMINUM AND THEY WERE NOW VINYL. SO NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO THE, THE RESTROOM OR THE KITCHEN WINDOWS? CORRECT. THE RESTROOM STAYED THE SAME AND THE KITCHEN STAYED THE SAME. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I DO, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I, I'M SORRY THAT YOU'VE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE WITH YOUR, YOUR RENTERS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU CAN PURSUE, UM, SOME SATISFACTION THROUGH THEM LEGALLY OR THROUGH WHETHER THEY HAD DEPOSITS OR WHATEVER. THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO OUR CONCERN. I, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY DURING, UH, THIS, IT'S A CHALLENGING TIME. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION, UH, AS A PATH FORWARD, UH, FOR, UH, THIS APPLICANT, UH, SINCE THIS WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE TO SEE IF, UM, MY FELLOW, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE ACCEPTING OF THE, THE FRONT WINDOW, UH, NUMBER ONE, WHICH WAS REPLACED, THAT, THAT BE, UH, REPLACED WITH A NEW IN-KIND WOOD WINDOW SINCE THAT FACES THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THAT THE, UH, REMAINING WINDOWS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACED, THOSE ARE RETAINED AND RESTORED. UM, AND THAT THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED, UH, RECEIVED SOME KIND OF, UH, WOOD, UH, SCREEN, UH, OVER THE TOP OF THEM THAT YOU COULD ALSO DO IN THE OTHER WOOD WINDOWS. UH, BE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. AND YOU HAVE CONSISTENT APPEARANCE. BUT THE, AN ECONOMICAL APPROACH TO RETAIN AT LEAST, UH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE OF THE REPLACEMENT RULES. UM, DOES THAT SEEM LIKE AN, AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH? UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, I WOULD CONCUR WITH MOST OF THAT, BUT SINCE THE FRONT WINDOW AND THE SIDE WINDOW ARE BOTH IN THE SAME ROOM, THE LIVING ROOM, UH, POSSIBLY THOSE TWO, UH, REPLACE WITH THE WOOD WINDOWS SINCE, SO THEY'LL BE THE SAME IN THE SAME WINDOW. PLUS THE ONE ON THE SIDE IS THE MOST VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SO REPLACE WINDOW ONE AND TWO WITH WOOD WINDOWS. THAT IS MY SUGGESTION. THIS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. SO WE'RE SUGGESTING, UM, WINDOW ONE, WINDOW TWO TO REPLACE WITH WOOD WINDOWS, UM, WINDOW THREE AND WINDOW FOUR WAS SUGGESTING SOME TYPE OF SCREEN TO KIND OF CONFORM WITH THE REST OF THE HOME. IS, IS, IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THAT'S, UH, HISTORICALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HOUSE IT, BUT ANY OF THESE, THE HOUSES HAD WOOD SCREENS ON TOP OF, UH, THE WOOD WINDOWS. AND, UH, THAT'S A WAY OF, OF HELPING TO, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE THE, THE VISUAL IMPACT OF, OF THESE NEWER WINDOWS. GOTCHA. I I WILL BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. THANK YOU. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR, UM, APPROVAL OF, UH, NO, LEMME PUT IT THIS WAY. I, I MOVE FOR PROPOSING FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS ONE AND TWO WITH WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET THE, UH, O H P STANDARDS, THE RETAINING OF WINDOWS 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN. BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THERE ARE WOOD SCREENS PLACED ON ALL OF THE WINDOWS OF THE HOUSE TO HELP, UH, MITIGATE OR OFFSET THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF NON-CONFORMING WINDOWS. AND THAT THE OTHER REMAINING WINDOWS THAT ARE MARKED ON THE PLAN AS NO [01:45:01] WINDOW REPLACEMENT, THAT THOSE BE RESTORED AND RECEIVE SCREENS AS WELL. COMMISSIONER, GUESS I'LL SECOND THAT. COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S ALSO TWO OTHER ITEMS REGARDING SIDING AND SKIRTING. I APOLOGIZE. I, I NEED TO COVER ALL, ALL OF THE, THE POINTS HERE. HANG ON A SECOND. UM, I'M, I'M IN MY MOTION, UH, TO INCLUDE STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OF ITEMS TWO AND THREE BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE STIPULATIONS. UH, ONE AND TWO, I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAYYY. NAYYY. I BELIEVE THE MOTION PASSES. I THANK YOU. HEY, IT BRINGS [12. 20-6550 Address/Description: 1206 W AGARITA AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-472 Applicant: Cynthia Spielman/Beacon Hill Area Neighborhood Association Request: Request for Review of Historic Significance City Council Dist.: 1] US TO ITEM 12. UM, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE TO MUTE. I CAN FIND THEM. JEFF AND STEPH, ARE YOU BOTH THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME CO? YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD. GREAT. AGENDA ITEM 12 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 24 7 2 12 0 6 WEST AGARITA AVENUE. A REQUEST FOR REVIEW BY THE HT R C REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1206 WEST AGARITA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF AGREES WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION ISSUE A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR 1206 WEST AGITA AND RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL INITIATE THE ZONING PROCESS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G. AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT SIMA COLVIN ON BEHALF OF THE DEAKIN HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON THE LINE. SIMA, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SURE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'M S MCKELVIN AND I'M THE CO-CHAIR OF THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ZONING AND URBAN DESIGN COMMITTEE. AND I'M HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. FIRST, WE WISH TO EXPRESS OUR THANKS AND APPRECIATION TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF THAT HAVE HELPED US NEGOTIATE THIS PROCESS AND OUR SUPPORTING OUR DESIRE TO PRESERVE THIS HISTORIC HOME. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE DEVELOPERS WHO PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FOR UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE THAT OUR CLASSIC CRAFTSMEN BUNGALOW HOMES HAVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE HISTORY TRADITION AND CHARM OF GREATER SAN ANTONIO HAVING WITHDRAWN THEIR DEMOLITION REQUEST, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REHABBING THE HOME. A DETERMINATION OF HISTORIC LANDMARK ELIGIBILITY WILL HELP GUIDE THAT REHAB PROCESS AND RETAIN THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF THE HOME. O H P HAS PROVIDED YOU WITH INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKETS TO SUBSTANTIATE THEIR SUPPORT FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. WHILE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT CURRENTLY A DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, AND WE DO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION OF BOTH HOMES AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALONG FREDERICKSBURG ROAD THAT ARE HISTORIC LANDMARKS, AS WELL AS THE SPATTERING OF RESIDENCES WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES. WHEN WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION BY THE NEW OWNERS, WE REACHED OUT TO OUR MEMBERSHIP, WHICH INCLUDES ANYONE LIVING IN OR OWNING PROPERTY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THESE ARE AUTOMATICALLY MEMBERS. WE REACHED OUT FOR FEEDBACK. THE RESPONSE WAS SWIFT AND OVERWHELMING NEIGHBORS THAT LIVED CLOSEST TO THE HOME TALKED ABOUT THE FAMILY THAT HAD LIVED IN THAT HOME SINCE 1967, RAISING TWO GENERATIONS IN THE HOME. THE OWNER RAYMOND GUERRERO, PASSED AWAY IN 2014 AT 90 YEARS OLD. THE GUERRERO FAMILY WAS ONLY THE SECOND FAMILY TO OWN THIS HOME. THE ORIGINAL OWNERS PICASSO'S FAMILY HAD THE HOME BUILT IN 1921 AND OCCUPIED IT UNTIL THE FAMILY PATRIARCH DIED. AND THE HOME WAS SOLD TO MR. GUERRERO AND HIS WIFE. ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEMBERS WAS ABLE TO FIND INFORMATION ON THE TASSOS FAMILY, WHICH O H P WAS UNABLE TO EXPOUND UPON, AND WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THEIR SUMMARY. HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT IS REALLY QUITE IMPRESSIVE. THE TASSOS FAMILY CAME TO AMERICA FROM [01:50:01] GREECE, AND CHARLES TASSOS WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE SAINT SOPHIA GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH IN 1924 HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, A FAMILY OF RESTAURATEURS, THEY FOUNDED AND OWNED SEVERAL LOCAL RESTAURANTS, INCLUDING THE BARN DOOR, WHICH IS STILL BEING OPERATED BY BILL TASSOS. TODAY, THE MOST FAMOUS TASSOS FAMILY MEMBER, HOWEVER, IS DAMON TASSOS. DAMON WAS BORN IN THE HOME AND WENT ON TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL CAREER PLAYING LOCALLY FOR JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, AND IS CAPTAIN OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM FOR A AND M DRAFTED BY THE BOSTON YANKS. HE ALSO PLAYED FOR THE DETROIT LIONS AND THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. HE WAS KNOWN AS THE GREEK KEEPING WITH FAMILY TRADITION. DAMON ALSO OWNED A RESTAURANT ON AUSTIN HIGHWAY CALLED DAMON'S. HE WAS A WELL-LIKED AND RESPECTED MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY. BEYOND THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE THAT THE TASSOS FAMILY HISTORY LENDS TO THIS HOME, THE HOME ITSELF IS NOTEWORTHY, UH, AS ONE OF THE EARLIEST BUILT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ALONG WITH ITS FRATERNAL TWIN NEXT DOOR. THIS AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS REMAINED RELATIVELY UNTOUCHED AND PROVIDES A WINDOW INTO THE PAST. ALTHOUGH THE HOME IS IN NEED OF REPAIRS, IT IS INVAL. IT IS VALUABLE IN SO MANY WAYS FROM THE BASIC BUILDING MATERIALS USED TO BUILD IT, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IT REPRESENTS BOTH AT THE TIME IN HISTORY AND A PLACEHOLDER IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND FOR THE HISTORIES THAT WERE BORN AND LIVED WITHIN IT WALLS. WHEN WE ASKED OUR RESIDENTS TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT, WE HAD OVER 113 COMMENTS SUBMITTED ON OUR BEACON HILL FACEBOOK PAGE. AND O H P RECEIVED MANY EMAILS AND LETTERS OF SUPPORT TO REQUEST THAT THIS HOME BE SAVED FROM THE GALLOWS AND REVIEWED FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU REVIEW THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU, AND YOU HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT US IN OUR QUEST TO PRESERVE THIS HOME AND ITS HISTORY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO ADDING THE TASSOS NAME TO THE LIST OF NOTE WHETHER, WHETHER NOTEWORTHY MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE COME OUT OF OR LIVED IN THE BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE GO AHEAD. YES, WE HAVE COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. UM, PATTY ZION'S CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, THEY CONCUR WITH THE O H P RECOMMENDATION FOR BINDING OF A STORE. SIGNIFICANCE 1206 WEST RETA MEETS CRITERIA THREE, FIVE AND 13 AS DETERMINED BY STAFF AT THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE ALSO FIND THE STONE SHRINE LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE FRONT YARD IS A DISTINCTIVE VERNACULAR AND CHARACTER FINDING ELEMENT. FURTHER RESEARCHING, OH, FURTHER RESEARCH REGARDING THE DATES OF ITS CONSTRUCTION AND COMMISSION MAY ALSO SUPPORTFUL FULFILLING CRITERION ONE. THIS HOUSE IS ONE OF TWO CRESSMAN STYLE HOMES BUILT FOR THE PROMINENT TASSOS FAMILY IN 1921, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE SURVIVED, UM, DESPITE SOME ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS. IT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A FRONT GABLE CRAFTSMAN RESIDENCE FEATURING A SEPARATE GABLE ELEMENT WITH DUREN HEAD OVER THE FULL WIDTH FRONT PORCH. THE TASSOS FAMILY WERE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE GREEK COMMUNITY IN SAN ANTONIO, AND WERE THE PROPRIETORS OF MANY WELL-KNOWN RESTAURANTS IN THE CITY AND FOUNDERS OF SAINT SOPHIA CHURCH. THIS HOME RETAINS MUCH OF ITS HISTORIC INTEGRITY AND TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER SURVIVING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ALONG WEST AGARITA BETWEEN BLANCA ROAD AND THE HIGHWAY REFLECT THE ORIGINAL PLANNING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE SUPPORT ITS DESIGNATION. THANKS COREY. WE ALSO HAVE THE OWNER ON THE LINE. YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE SET UP FRONT. USUALLY, UM, THE ORDER OF THESE TYPES OF CASES IS WE ALLOW THE APPLICANT WHO IS NOT THE OWNER TO PRESENT THE CASE, BUT THEN WE GIVE THE OWNER AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF TIME TO ALSO, UH, DISCUSS THEIR, THEIR OPINION WITH THE PROPOSAL. RIGO, DID YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? OH, YES. HELLO, THIS IS, UH, RUBIO VELAZQUEZ. I'M THE GRANDSON OF THE OWNER OF, UH, AGARITA. AND, UM, YEAH, I MEAN I'M, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE FOR, UH, CONSERVING THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE OF THE PROPERTY. OUR ONLY GOAL IS TO, UH, UPDATE IT AND, UH, SELL IT TO A NEW SAN ANTONIO FAMILY. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, UH, I THANK THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. AND, UM, I THINK IT'LL BE A, UM, UH, WONDERFUL ENHANCEMENT, UH, ONCE IT'S RESTORED. AND, UM, IF IT DOES GET DESIGNATED, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, YOU, MR. VELASQUEZ AND YOUR FAMILY TO TALK TO O H P ABOUT, UH, THE HISTORIC TAX ADVANTAGES [01:55:01] OF HAVING A LANDMARK PROPERTY. ABSOLUTELY. UH, MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UM, SORRY. UH, MR. FISH, YOU, UH, I WAS GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO THAT IS FINE. UM, NO, I SUSPECT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA MAKE THE SAME MOTION, SO ALRIGHT, I'LL MOTION. OKAY. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I CONCUR WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS AND I SUPPORT, UH, THE POSITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR EFFORT AND APPLICATION. SO I MOVE, UH, FOR A CONCURRENCE OF FINDING OF SIGNIFICANCE BY THE COMMISSION BASED ON CRITERIA THREE, FIVE, AND 15. THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I SECOND THAT. AND, UM, THANKS SOME GRATITUDE TO BOTH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZERS OF THIS AND TO THE ORDERS AND WILLINGNESS TO, UH, TO COOPERATE WITH THIS PROCESS AND SEE THE VALUE OF, OF THIS AND STAFFS IN THEIR ASSISTANCE IN PUTTING TOGETHER THIS . WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR, UH, APPROVAL. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAYYY. AYE. I BELIEVE THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [13. 20-6526 Address/Description: 1009 S ALAMO ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-468 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Kelly Welker/Welker Financial Ltd and Bijous Betties Request: New construction of a rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 1] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13. LEE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE MUTED. NO, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE. OKAY. I SENT YOU A REQUEST. ARE YOU THERE? NO. OKAY. NO, THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. HELLO. OKAY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE NUMBER 20 24 68 AT 1009 SOUTH ALAMO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 30 BY 18 PREFABRICATED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED WINDOWS, WHICH ARE NON-CONFORMING IN TRIM SLASH PROFILE, FLOATED BY LIGHTS AND NAILING FIN INSTALLATION, AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW PRODUCT MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR VERIFICATION PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION. AND TWO, THE SIDING FEATURES COMPLIMENTARY MATERIALS SUCH AS HORIZONTAL WOOD LAP OR SMOOTH HARDY LAP SIDING WITH FOUR INCH EXPOSURE OR VERTICAL BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING WITH 12 INCH PANELS. INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED T ONE 11 PLYWOOD PANEL SIDING, IF HARDY OR SIMILAR QUALITY COM COMPOSITE MATERIAL IS USED, NO FOOT WOODGRAIN TEXTURE SHOULD BE USED. THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MEETING ALL SIDE AND REAR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR PERMITTING. THIS DOES COME TO US AS A COMPLIANCE CASE, WHICH I'LL LEAD FINDING NOW ON A SITE VISIT CONDUCTED ON OCTOBER 8TH, 2020, STAFF FOUND THAT TWO REAR ACCESSORIES STRUCTURES WERE INSTALLED PRIOR TO PERMITTING AND APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, INCLUDING OTHER FUTURE SCOPES OF WORK ON OCTOBER 16TH, 2020, TO BE REVIEWED. AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING STAFFED APPROVED A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, WITHHELD REVIEW OF ITEMS THAT LACK SUFFICIENT APPLICATION MATERIALS, AND ESCALATED THE REMAINING COMPLIANCE CASE FOR COMMISSION REVIEW. AN ADDITIONAL COMMENTS COMMISSION. UH, THERE WERE TWO OTHER REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT WERE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE THEY WERE PREFABRICATED UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET WITH NO PERMANENT FOUNDATION. WHAT WE'RE UH, BROUGHT, BRINGING TO YOU TODAY IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 540 SQUARE FOOT, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. AND OUR GUIDELINES ASK THAT THEY USE A HIGHER QUALITY MATERIAL THAT RELATES TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES. I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, KELLY WALKER ON THE LINE, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A COMMENT TO BE READ LATER AS WELL. KELLY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH SOME OPENING COMMENTS BEFORE THE COMMISSION RESPONDS. YES. UH, MY NAME IS KELLY WILKER AND I AM A FINANCIAL ADVISOR. AND JUST RECENTLY, UM, OPENED UP AN ANTIQUE STORE DOWN AT 1009 SOUTH ALAMO. AND MY FINANCIAL ADVISORY BUSINESS IS ALSO GOING IN THAT BUILDING. WE, UH, HAVE ANTIQUES [02:00:01] THAT ARE, UM, WE HAVE REALLY NICE ANTIQUES, NICE ART AND COLLECTIBLES, BUT WE ALSO NEEDED A PLACE TO PUT FARMHOUSE ANTIQUES BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, OLD FARMHOUSE EQUIPMENT, FARMHOUSE SIGNS, FARMHOUSE FURNITURE AND ART. AND WE WANTED TO HAVE A MORE OUTDOORSY KIND OF SPACE. SO WE BUILT, WE HAD BUILT A SMALL, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY A LARGE STORAGE UNIT, AND WE HAD 'EM BUILD A PORCH ON IT. NOW, FIRST I HAVE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NONE OF US LIVE DOWN. WE DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE CITY. MOST OF US ALL LIVE IN THE COUNTY OF BEAR. WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING THAT GOES DOWN IN KING WILLIAM, THE OWNER OF MY PROPERTY, ERIC SLATHER. UM, AND I DISCUSSED THIS AND HE NEVER TOLD ME THAT I HAD TO GET THINGS APPROVED BY KING WILLIAM FIRST. SO I AM REALLY SORRY THAT WE BUILT THESE BUILDINGS, UM, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH YOU FIRST, BECAUSE HAD I KNOWN THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE CONTRACTED. SO THEY'RE THERE NOW AND I'M KIND OF STUCK. I'VE SUNK JUST ABOUT EVERY PENNY I HAVE INTO THIS, THIS, UM, STORE. AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL APPROVE IT BASED ON THE FACT THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED. THEY USE SMART SIDING, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD USE IN A CABIN, A LAKE HOUSE, A STORAGE UNIT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THEY, IT'S, IT IS, UM, A WOOD PRODUCT THAT'S ENGINEERED AND IT'S ENGINEERED TO KEEP RIGHT AWAY, TO KEEP HUMIDITY AWAY, TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE INTACT. THERE'S ONLY TWO WINDOWS AND THE WINDOWS ARE REALLY SMALL. THERE'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF A SMALL BATHROOM WINDOW. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE HAVE 'EM IN THERE'S FOR LIGHT, WE DON'T, THERE WILL BE NO PLUMBING. IT'S ON THERE. THE HOUSE IS ON BLOCKS. WE ARE PLANNING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A LITTLE FARMHOUSE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE MAXWELL BUILDING, IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE FRONT. THE FRONT IS VERY ART DECO IN APPEARANCE, BUT THE BACK, BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, IS MORE FARMHOUSEY. AND THE ROOF IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE. IT'S A METAL ROOF. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PORCH IS UNPAINTED. 'CAUSE WE HAD THEM STOP AS SOON AS WE COULD. THEY WERE FAST. THEY BUILT BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS. AND THEY ALSO SLEPT OVERNIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID IT, BUT THEY ARE VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED. UM, I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT HOUSE ON A LAKE HOUSE. I'M NOT SURE I WOULD EVER BUILD A PERMANENT STRUCTURE WITH THAT KIND OF WOOD. BUT IF YOU GO UP AND LOOK AT IT UP CLOSE, IT'S ACTUALLY VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED. AND THE, THE, THE SIDING LOOKS JUST LIKE WOOD. IT'S JUST INSTEAD OF A HORIZONTAL PLANK, IT'S A VERTICAL PLANK. UM, THE PORCH ITSELF IS, WE'RE GONNA USE IT TO PUT PORCH SWINGS AND OUTDOOR FURNITURE, AND WE PLAN TO HAVE PLANTS ALL AROUND, BUT THAT WHOLE BACKYARD AREA IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE STORE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, A GATE THAT CLOSES IT AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STORE TO GET TO THE BACK PART OF THE, THE, THE ENTIRE STORE. SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE IT AS IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER DIME TO BE ABLE TO FIX THOSE WINDOWS BECAUSE I'M HAVING TO SPEND SO MUCH MONEY PUTTING IN A FENCE IN THE BACKYARD. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL THEY HAVE IS THIS PLASTIC STUFF. AND I, I, I NEED TO SPEND MONEY ON THAT. I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLACE LOOKS VERY PRETTY FOR YEARS TO COME. AND ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT AS AN ANTIQUE STORE OWNER, I HOPE YOU REALIZE THAT MY NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THIS BUILDING INTACT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. ITS STRUCTURE IS PHENOMENAL. SO FAR. EVERYBODY THAT'S COME THROUGH OUR STORE HAS BEEN VERY, VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE THERE. SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE OUR VISION AND, AND SEE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT TRYING TO MESS THINGS UP. WE REALLY WANT IT TO LOOK NICE. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION THAT'S IN YOUR PACKETS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AS TO THE PERMANENCE OF THIS STRUCTURE. UM, HOW, HOW DO YOU, DO YOU ASSUME THIS STRUCTURE TO BE PERMANENT OR DOES IT HAVE A TEMPORARY TIMEFRAME OF BEING ON [02:05:01] THE SITE BEFORE IT'S REMOVED OR DEMOLISHED? WELL, PERMANENT AS TO MY LEASE, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A FIVE YEAR LEASE. UM, AT THE END OF THAT FIVE YEARS, I CAN, I CAN RELEASE THE PROPERTY OR I CAN LEASE, IF I LEAVE THE BUILDING. DOES, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE. IT CAN EASILY BE TORN DOWN. IT COULD, IT CAN BE PULLED OUTTA THERE, BUT WE WOULDN'T, BECAUSE THERE'S TREES IN THE WAY. UM, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND TAKE IT AWAY. BUT FOR THE, PER THE, THE PRESENT USE THAT I HAVE FOR IT, IT IS GOING TO BE THERE THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I HAVE THE LEASE BECAUSE I, I NEED THAT SPACE TO EXPAND THE SALE OF, YOU KNOW, THE ANTIQUES THAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE IF YOU GO THROUGH OUR STORE THAT IT'S KIND OF SET UP BY TYPE OF ANTIQUES. AND SO WE NEED A WHOLE SEPARATE PLACE FOR RUSTY , RUSTY STUFF. . THAT'S NOT THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO DESCRIBE IT. WELL, I THINK I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I WASN'T, I WASN'T CERTAIN HOW, WHAT KIND OF TIMESCALE YOU WERE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT, UH, USING IT. AND I CERTAINLY THINK A FIVE-YEAR LEASE AS A PER, THIS IS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE AND PERMANENT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LIKE THIS, UM, SHOULD REALLY FOLLOW, SHOULD REALLY FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE. UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT ITS POSITION ON THE SITE PLAN. UM, WHAT KIND OF SETBACKS ARE ORDINARILY UH, REQUIRED? IT DEPENDS ON THE ZONING DISTRICT IT'S IN. AND I'M ACTUALLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH, I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE THAT LEVEL OF INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ENTIRE, LIKE IT'S IT'S POSITION ON THE SITE, UH, AS WELL. BUT, UM, I GENERALLY THINK, THINK STAFF HAS THIS, RIGHT. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THIS. I'LL, I'LL SEEK, CAN I, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT OF, YOU SEE WHERE THE, THE FARMHOUSE IS IN THE BACK. THE BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT TO THE LEFT IS A STORAGE BUILDING. AND I ACTUALLY SUBMITTED ANOTHER PLOT TO, TO HO UM, WITHOUT ALL THIS WRITING ON IT. 'CAUSE HE SAID IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING. SO HE, HE ACTUALLY HAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE STEP BACK AND THE BUILDING THAT'S IN THE FRONT TO THE LEFT IS OUR LITTLE STORAGE BUILDING. EVERY NOW AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIX A PICTURE FRAME OR A LEG ON A CHAIR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN THAT STORAGE BUILDING. UM, THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT OF THE, OF THE FARMHOUSE ISN'T THERE BECAUSE WE STOPPED CONSTRUCTION WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO STOP IT. YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS THEY WERE FINISHED WITH THAT, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, DON'T BRING THE OTHER ONE IN. SO I, IT'S, IT'S ON FOR APPROVAL, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, THERE YET. BUT THERE IS AN, THERE'S, THE SETBACKS ON THE SIDE ARE BETWEEN FIVE AND FIVE AND A HALF FEET. AND I KNOW THE REQUIREMENT IS FIVE FEET. SO THEY'RE WITHIN THE, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE FENCE LINE. THE BACK IS NOT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THE FENCE, BUT IT, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK WAS AND WE LINED IT UP WITH EVERY OTHER BUILDING ON THE BACK OF THAT LOT. SO IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING AND THE PICTURE, THERE'S A METAL, THERE'S A METAL MORGAN, UH, OUTBUILDING TO THE LEFT TO LOSS OVER AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE BUILDING THAT THE, THE MAHONEY LAW FIRM JUST BOUGHT. AND THEIR OUTBUILDING IN THE BACK THAT THEY'RE USING AS A CONFERENCE CENTER IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH THIS HOUSE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE PLACED IT THERE WAS SO THAT WE COULD HAVE AS MUCH ROOM THERE IN THE YARD AS WE POSSIBLY COULD FOR, YOU KNOW, PLANTS AND EVENTS AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THAT AREA. 'CAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN CRUSHED LIMESTONE DOWN THERE ON THE GROUND. THE REASON THAT THAT PLACEMENT LOOKS ODD IS BECAUSE THE GREENHOUSE THAT GOES TO THE RIGHT IS NOT THERE. BUT TO THE RIGHT IN THAT SPACE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GREENHOUSE SO THAT WE CAN HOUSE ALL THE PLANTS THAT WE'RE SELLING. SO, YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE A FREEZE, LIKE EVERY 20 DAYS OR SO IN THE WINTERTIME, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE PLANTS IN THERE SO THEY DON'T FREEZE. AND THAT, THAT BUILDING IS DESIGNED AND BUILT BY THE SAME COMPANY THAT DID THAT SO THAT IT, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME. THEY WILL ALL HAVE THE SAME MATCHING APPEARANCE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. AND RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T SEE ANY OF THAT FROM THE FRONT. AND, AND YOU'D [02:10:01] HAVE TO REALLY LOOK HARD TO SEE THE GREENHOUSE FROM THE FRONT OF THE ROAD ONCE IT GETS BUILT. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MEAN, THERE'S A FEW TOO MANY MOVING PIECES HERE, HERE FOR ME TO GET A GOOD GRIP ON. AND I UNDERSTAND A NUMBER OF THESE PIECES HAVE BEEN DEALT, DEALT WITH ADMINISTRATIVELY. I THINK THAT KING WILLIAM, UH, ASSOCIATION PROBABLY HAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT AS WELL. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET, TO, TO MEET WITH US ON SITE OR TO HAVE A SITE VISIT? SO, SURE. YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT. THAT, OKAY. THEN I MOVE TO REMAND THIS TO THE D R C. I'LL SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OUR, OUR CONCERN, OUR, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE WERE, YEAH, WE, WE WERE KIND OF THROWN UNDER THE BUS A LITTLE BIT BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE HAD TO DO ALL THIS. AND YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM A RETAIL STANDPOINT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE BY CHRISTMAS AND IF, IF I CAN'T GET IT DONE BY CHRISTMAS, I NEED FOR YOU GUYS TO TELL ME THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE OTHER PLANS FOR THE STUFF THAT WE'VE HAD. BECAUSE IT IS A RETAIL OPERATION, I SUSPECT THAT WE CAN MEET NEXT, NEXT WEEK, BUT STAFF WILL SCHEDULE IT FOR THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE FOR A SITE VISIT AND WE CAN FIND A WAY FORWARD. RIGHT NOW, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT STAFF'S OPINION AND I, I I, I THINK HAVING A BETTER SENSE OF THE SITE, UH, WE MIGHT FIND SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HERE HAS THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS ON THE VALUE OR TIMELINE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETING. MR. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? I, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I YOU MADE A COMMENT, COMMISSIONER FISH THAT I THINK IS A VERY ACCURATE, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS USUALLY PRESENTED IN DRAWING FORM THAT EVERYBODY GETS TO SEE EVERYTHING HOLISTICALLY BEFORE IT'S, IT'S BROUGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW WHAT IT IS, IT'S A SERIES OF BOXES AND I THINK THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE BOXES ARE, YOU KNOW, MOVED AROUND. UM, I MEAN, I DON'T, I I, ALONG THE LINES OF A D R C THAT COMMISSIONER FISH IS TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD SEE THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, ACHIEVED, RIGHT? IS TO, TO CONSIDER THESE LIKE CARDBOARD BOXES ON THE, ON A CARDBOARD SITE AND, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE IT'S THAT KIND OF, UM, OF A SITUATION WHERE YOU JUST MOVE THESE BOXES AROUND BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE AND IT, IT, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SHOOT STRAIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN BE, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE FAVORABLE, UM, OPINIONS LIKE THE WINDOWS, FOR INSTANCE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE JUST SAW ONE SHOTGUN HOUSE THAT HAD VINYL WINDOWS AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT JUST, JUST TO PREPARE TO PREPARE YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A DEADLINE AND, AND ALL OF THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE, AND THIS IS, I I GUESS ALONG THE LINES OF YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER FISH, THE ONLY THING THAT RAISES A REALLY BIG QUESTION, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THE FENCE, RIGHT? SEE, SO, SO IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S THIS PIECEMEALING GOING ON. I DON'T KNOW HOW STAFF IS, UM, APPROACHING THAT, BUT EVEN LIKE THE FENCE, EVEN JUST TO MENTION THE FENCE, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS LIKE SOMEONE NEEDS TO WARN YOU RIGHT AWAY, STOP, DON'T DO ANY OFFENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY GONNA, LIKE, IF IT'S NOT COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA END UP IN THE SAME BOAT. RIGHT? BUT THEN YOU, YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE OWNER. SEE, THAT MAKES THINGS A LITTLE COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU ARE ALMOST LIKE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, A SIDE OF THE, THE SENSE THAT YOU HAVE A, A LEASE BECAUSE THE OWNER WOULD, I WOULD THINK, BE THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR, FOR THESE, FOR THE, FOR THE PHYSICAL, UH, BUILDING SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT ONE THING THAT, ONE THING, ONE THING THAT'S OUTSTANDING TO ME IS THAT NONE OF THESE ARE EMBEDDED IN THE EARTH. THAT THEY'RE CLEARLY TEMPORARY BUILDINGS SITTING ON BLOCKS, PARTICULARLY THE LITTLE STORAGE BUILDING. AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S A TEMPORARY BUILDING. CLEARLY YOU CAN SEE IT, IT CAN BE MOVED ANYWHERE AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A STORAGE BUILDING. BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THAT LARGER BUILDING IN THE BACK, THAT'S, THEY GOT A PORCH ON IT AND YOU KNOW, BUT STILL IT HAS NO UTILITIES AND IT'S ALSO SITTING ON BLOCKS. AND THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE A LEASE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE OWNER DOESN'T OWN THEM UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME AGREEMENT THAT, THAT YOU PRESENT THAT WOULD SAY THAT [02:15:01] THEY IN FACT ARE PERMANENT STRUCTURES. BUT IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN THEY'RE A COMPONENT OF YOUR LEASE, AND TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THEM ON YOUR, ON YOUR VACATING. AND IF YOU DON'T OWN, THEN OBVIOUSLY SOONER OR LATER YOU'RE GONNA VACATE. RIGHT? SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE A PERMANENT ALTERATION TO THE SITE THAT WE KNOW. OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BE RAMBLING A BIT, BUT I MEAN, BETTER THAT YOU HEAR AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, THEN YOU GO OFF THINKING THAT EVERYTHING'S FINE AND DANDY, RIGHT? I, I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. IN OTHER WORDS, THE END RESULT WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD FIND OUT THAT THIS IS A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED SITUATION. BECAUSE TYPICALLY THIS IS DESIGNED, THEY'RE NEW BUILDINGS, IT'S A SITE, AND THIS IS A DESIGN SITUATION. SO THAT MEANS THAT SOONER OR LATER YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A DRAWING THAT IS WHAT YOUR COMMITMENTS ARE BASED ON, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'D BE COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION LIKE THIS AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A PICTURE AND SAYING, AH, THAT'S OKAY. IN A WAY, IT'S A TOTAL CONTRADICTION TO ANY OTHER CASE THAT WOULD COME BEFORE US. SO, UH, THERE, THERE, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE COMMISSIONER FISH SAID MOVING PARTS. IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT IT. UM, AND, BUT MOST DEFINITELY IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GIVE YOU ANY SENSE OF A COMMITMENT BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS IN IT, IF THAT HELPS. UH, COMMISSIONER DID, I MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW WE GOT HERE. DID YOU SECOND THE MOTION AND THEN WE'RE ADDING COMMENTS? DID I MAKE A MOTION? IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. I'M SORRY, . YES, YOU DID MAKE A MOTION. A MOTION WAS MADE. I SECOND IT, YES. OKAY. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT I COULD VOTE FOR, BUT I WOULD, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION . OKAY. BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. JUST A QUICK CO COMMENT IF I MAY. UH, COMMISSIONER UNE, THERE'S REFERENCE TO LANDSCAPING IN THE APPLICATION, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF A LANDSCAPE PLAN, SO THAT ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. ALRIGHT, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS TO D R C. UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSE, UNMUTE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY QUE ABSTAIN. ONE ABSTENTION. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO OUR LAST ITEM, ITEM 14. I DON'T KNOW. JESS, DO WE HAVE YOU YET? YEAH. YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YEP. GREAT. UM, ITEM [14. 20-6514 Address/Description: 118 LOTUS ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-469 Applicant: Cherise Rohr-Allegrini/Lavaca Neighborhood Association Request: Request for review of historic significance City Council Dist.: 1] 14 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 24 6 9 1 18 LOTUS STREET. A REQUEST FOR REVIEW BY THE H D R C REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT ONE 18 LOTUS FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF AGREES THAT THE APPLICANT, THAT THE OWNER IS, OR I'M SORRY, THAT THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION ISSUE A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR ONE 18 LOTUS, AND RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL INITIATE THE REZONING PROCESS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G. UM, I HAVE BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER ON THE LINE. UH, WE'LL HEAR FIRST FROM, UH, DARRELL OLEN BUSCH ON BEHALF OF THE LACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHO IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE? DARRELL, ARE YOU READY? YES, GO AHEAD. HI, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. MY NAME IS DARRYL OLEN BUSCH. UH, I AM THE ZONING HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, COORDINATOR ON THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD. AND, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, UM, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OF COURSE, WE DON'T ADMINISTER A HISTORIC DESIGNATION PER SE, ALTHOUGH, UH, 20 YEARS AGO I WAS PART OF THE TEAM, UH, FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT INITIATED THE FOUNDING OF THE LAVACCA, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND, UM, WE HAVE RECENTLY BE RECENTLY BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH O H P STAFF ABOUT EXTENDING THE DISTRICT. UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE, THE AREA THAT THIS, UH, UH, HOUSE, UM, THE PARCEL THAT IS, UH, THE SUBJECT OF THIS, UH, HEARING IS LOCATED ON. UM, AND I, I ORIGINALLY, UM, CALLED IN, UH, THE WORK BEING DONE THERE BECAUSE I WASN'T CERTAIN IF IT HAD BEEN, UH, PERMITTED, UH, EITHER, YOU KNOW, AS A DEMOLITION REVIEWED BY H G R C OR JUST IF IT WAS PERMITTED, UH, GENERALLY. UM, AND THIS KIND OF INITIATED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION. AND, UM, WE DECIDED, UH, OUR BOARD DECIDED TO, UH, MAKE THE APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, UH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN THE MATERIALS, YOU'VE SEEN THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSES IN, DESPITE ITS SORT OF DILAPIDATED CONDITION. UM, UNLIKE MANY HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT HADN'T BEEN [02:20:01] EXTENSIVELY MODIFIED OR RE REMODELLED, AS ONE MIGHT SAY. UH, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT HAD A, A CONCRETE FRONT PORCH. I MEAN, ALL OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE INTACT, ALL OF THE WOOD SIDING NEEDING REPAIR WAS STILL INTACT. UM, IT'S PART OF A BLOCK OF, OF HOUSES THAT ARE, UM, IT'S ALMOST THE WHOLE BLOCK, UH, OF LOTUS. THAT WHOLE BLOCK OF LOTUS, EXCUSE ME, UM, IS PRETTY, UH, HAS ITS INTEGRITY INTACT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALMOST NO VACANT LOTS. I DON'T THINK I CAN THINK OF ONE OF THEM. IT'S A VACANT LOT. UH, AND THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE THE BLOCK ARE IN GENERALLY GOOD CONDITIONS. SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS, THIS HOUSE OUT ON THIS BLOCK WOULD BE A, A VALUABLE PART OF ANY EXTENSION OF THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND SO WE, UH, SUPPORT, UM, UH, THE HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATION AND, UM, HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION WILL AGREE WITH US. THANK YOU, DARRELL. UM, SO WE ALSO HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE LINE. UM, WE WILL HEAR FROM THEM NEXT, AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CASE. UM, SO STEPHANIE, CAN YOU UNMUTE AND WE WILL SPEAK WITH THE OWNER? YES. BRIAN, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? BRIAN, SOY OWNER ONE 18 NOTICE. OKAY. UM, WELL, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, UM, YOU HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. SURE. UM, AS TO THE POINT ABOUT IT HAD NOT BEEN EXTENSIVELY MODIFIED PATENTLY FALSE. UH, SO WE'RE RELATIVELY NEW TO SAN ANTONIO FROM HOUSTON. UM, BUT WE, SO DURING COVID, WE TWICE WENT DOWN THERE AND ASKED IF WE NEEDED A DEMO PERMIT, AND WE'RE TWICE TOLD BY STAFF, UH, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT DEMOLISHING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, YOU DON'T NEED A DEMO PERMIT. AND, UH, SO WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS, AND TO THE POINT ABOUT EXTENSIVE MODIFICATION, UM, EVERYTHING TO THE APP, THE HOUSE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AFT WALL OF THE ORIGINAL HOME WAS AN UNPERMITTED ADDITION, WHICH WOULDN'T PASS CODE TODAY. UH, SO WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF DEMOLISHING THE UNPERMITTED ADDITIONS AS WELL AS THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH, UH, IT WAS AN ALL CONCRETE PORCH, WHICH IS SHOVING THE HOUSE, UH, BACKWARD, WHICH WILL NECESSITATE A, UH, FULL FOUNDATION, A NEW FOUNDATION. UM, SO WE, UH, WELL, AT FIRST WE WERE, WE WERE HIT WITH AN ABANDONED BUILDING, AT WHICH POINT THEY, UH, CUT THE, UH, POWER METER OFF THE HOUSE, UH, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. UH, BUT, UH, THE INTENT IS, UH, TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL HOME, UH, AND ADD ANOTHER, UH, BEDROOM AND ONE MORE BATHROOM WHILE UPDATING THE SERVICES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BE CODE COMPLIANT. UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT'S MIDSTREAM, THE BUDGET WILL NOT SUPPORT COMPLETION, UH, AND, AND I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE BUDGET. UH, IT IS ESCROWED IN, UH, AS OUR MOST CONSTRUCTION LOANS. SO, UM, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, UH, NO HISTORIC DESIGNATION BECAUSE I, I WOULD SAY THIS PROJECT'S NOT GONNA COMPLETE BEFORE THIS LOAN BECOMES FULLY AMORTIZING, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE, UH, CALAMITY. THANK YOU. DID COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER BEFORE I PROCEED WITH COMMENTS? I, I, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE HONOR. SIR, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, TO THE, LET'S SAY, THE END RESULT. UM, SAY, SAY YOU TAKE THE, THE, UH, THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT YOU HAVE, AND WALK US THROUGH WHAT, WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS WITH RESPECT TO WINDOW MATERIALS AND, AND THE PORCH THAT THAT WAS, UH, REMOVED. OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, OR YOU'RE GONNA WANNA RECONSTRUCT THAT ROOF MATERIAL. CAN WALK US THROUGH ALL THAT. TELL US WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE HIRED A ENGINEER, I BELIEVE A PRETTY GOOD ONE, SCOTT MORTENSON. UH, SCOTT'S DELIVERED A FULL NEW FOUNDATION PLAN, WHICH I, IF YOU GUYS DID A SITE VISIT, YOU'LL SEE LIKE IT'S TOOTHPICKS UP UNDER THERE. UM, EVERY PEER AND BEAM, UH, AND CELL IS, IS TO BE REPLACED, UH, THE PORCH, PLUS SOME SHIFTY SOILS. THERE IS WHAT WAS SHOVING THE HOUSE AFT, IT HAD MOVED AFT 16 TO 18 INCHES, SO IT WAS JUST BARELY TEETERING ON THOSE, THE PIERS. UM, SO, UH, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE NUMBERS ON [02:25:01] THE CALL UNLESS YOU GUYS REALLY WANT ME TO, BUT THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS TO TAKE IT UP TO A THREE, TWO, UM, AND THEN WHEN THE, UH, THE, UH, BUILDING, SIR, SIR, THE PRI PRI THE PRIMARY, THE, THE QUESTION PRIMARILY JUST DEALS WITH THE OUTSIDE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE, THE INSIDE. JUST TELL US WHAT THE OUTSIDE WHAT, WHAT ALTERATIONS YOU SEE ON THE OUTSIDE, WHETHER THE WINDOWS ARE THE SAME DIMENSION, STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. UH, FRONT, FRONT LANDSCAPING WOULD MIRROR 1 22, WHICH IS THIS HOUSE'S EXACT TWIN. UM, AND TO THAT POINT, IF LE BACA IS PURSUING HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THIS HOME, THEN IT SHOULD PURSUE IT OF 1 22 AND EVERY OTHER, UH, PRECISE REPLICA ON THE STREET. UH, I'D LIKE TO REBUILD THE FRONT PORCH, MAKE IT WOOD. UM, WE'RE GONNA REDO THE FOUNDATION. PINE ONE 17 RAFT WILL STAY INTACT. UH, EVERY PIECE OF MOLDING WILL BE ORIGINAL. THE WINDOWS THAT WE REMOVED WEREN'T SERVICEABLE, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE REMOVED THEM. WE DID SAVE THEM, OR, OR THE ONES THAT WERE SAVEABLE. UH, THE DOORS ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA GO BACK WITH SOLID CORE WOOD DOORS, UH, METAL ROOF. UH, THE HOUSE WILL BE A TWO, TWO, UM, THE FOOTPRINT WILL REMAIN EXACTLY THE SAME, COUNTING THE UN PERMITTED DIVISIONS. SO THAT WOULD TAKE THE HOUSE TO AROUND 1260. UM, AND THEN THE PLAN WOULD BE OFF STREET, PARK AND THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. THA THANK YOU, SIR. I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR, YOUR RESPONSES, BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS TO, TO THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT WAS THERE, AND OF COURSE, TO YOUR, UH, AND YOUR, AND YOUR, YOUR ORGANIZATION'S, UH, DESIRE TO, UH, TO, UH, TO BRING THESE BACK TO, UM, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, A GOOD, GOOD OR GREAT CONDITION. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A, A COMMENT FOR THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. UM, HAS STAFF EXPLAINED TO YOU THE BENEFITS, THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS OF HAVING A DESIGNATED LANDMARK PROPERTY? NO. OKAY. UM, IF THIS BUILDING GETS, UH, THROUGH ALL THE PROCESS, IF IT, IF WE RECOMMEND A DESIGNATION, IF COUNSEL APPROVES IT AND GETS REZONED, THEN THERE ARE, UH, TAX ADVANTAGES TO, TO, UH, UH, REHABBING A LANDMARK PROPERTY, UH, WHICH I THINK WOULD, UH, BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST. UH, ALSO, IF, IF IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, UH, BASICALLY RESTORING THE, UH, THE SHELL OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING, AND A LOT OF THAT WORK CAN BE, UH, APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UM, THE ADDITION, IF YOU'RE PLANNING ADDITION, THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, BUT, UH, ADDITIONS TO LANDMARK PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST. SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME ADVANTAGES, UH, TO YOU FINANCIALLY. UH, IF THIS BUILDING SHOULD BE, UH, LANDMARKED, MR. CHAIRMAN? WELL, SIR, I PUT BACK THAT I, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE'VE BEEN HELD UP FROM SWINGING A HAMMER ON THIS THING SINCE WE BOUGHT IT, AND THAT WAS BACK IN, I BELIEVE, MAY. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE CHEWING OFF $2,700, GIVE OR TAKE A MONTH. UM, AND THIS IS A BP RENOVATION. IF WE HAD STARTED ON TIME, WE MIGHT COULD HAVE FINISHED IT, UH, IN THE 12 MONTHS ALLOTTED. UH, SO WE GOT A PRETTY HIGH BURN RATE, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T STARTED. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME, I DON'T SEE POSITIVE FINANCIAL OUTCOMES HERE. UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION OF, UH, FOR STAFF AND INTERIM CONTROLS. UM, IF THIS COMMISSION, UM, APPROVED THE, THE, UH, FINDING OF SIGNIFICANCE TODAY, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THE RESTORATION, UH, THROUGH, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE APPLICATION AND A REVIEW FOR THE ADDITION? WE WOULD REVIEW A PROPOSAL FOR THE SCOPE [02:30:01] AND JUST LIKE WE NORMALLY WOULD AGAINST THE GUIDELINES AND ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE APPROVAL, WE WOULD APPROVE. UM, ANYTHING THAT REQUIRED FURTHER ACTION BY THE COMMISSION COULD COME TO THE COMMISSION THROUGHOUT THE DESIGNATION PROCESS. AND THAT COULD HAPPEN PRETTY IMMEDIATE, PRETTY MUCH IMMEDIATELY, CORRECT? YES. AND IN REGARDS TO, UM, FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, TAX INCENTIVES, ANY WORK THAT IS APPROVED AS PART OF THAT SCOPE WOULD POTENTIALLY QUALIFY THE PROJECT FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION INCENTIVE, UM, WHICH IS, UM, SIGNIFICANT. UM, YOU CAN EITHER FREEZE THE CURRENT APPRAISAL VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE OR TAKE AN OPTION TO, UM, NOT PAY CITY PROPERTY TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER? YES. UH, TO THE OWNER, UH, A BIG THANK YOU FOR, FOR INCLUDING YOURSELF IN THE PROCESS, UM, ESPECIALLY ALBEIT THAT I DON'T THINK YOU WERE SEEKING IT. UM, WHILE I AGREE WITH, WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS REGARDING MAYBE KIND OF THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS OF, OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION, I GUESS MY QUESTION POINT BLANK, DO, DO YOU WANT, WOULD YOU, DO YOU WANT THIS AT ALL? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD EVEN SEEK YOURSELF AS FAR AS A HISTORIC DESIGNATION? YES. I'M, I'M ACTIVELY ATTEMPTING TO WHOLESALE THE PROPERTY, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO STAVE OFF THE INEVITABLE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN FINISH IT. I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T FINISH IT WITHIN THE BUDGET ALLOTTED. UM, SO NO, SIR, MY SHORT ANSWER WOULD BE NO, I WOULD NOT SEEK IT. OKAY. AND I GUESS I'D JUST CLOSE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HERE THAT THE, ALBEIT THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS ESPECIALLY KIND OF, UH, CREATING SOME KIND OF PREDICTABILITY IN OUR MARKETPLACE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO MAYBE EVEN WENT OUT OF THE WAY TO BUY OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICT TO TRY AND, AND REHABILITATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND, AND, AND FIND SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE TO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE AND HAVE SOME KIND OF CHARACTER AND, AND STORY TOO. BUT, UM, MAYBE, AGAIN, WASN'T EVEN IN THE BALLPARK OF MAKING THESE KIND OF FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE TO COME WITH, UH, THE, WHAT, WHAT COMES WITH HISTORIC DESIGNATION. SO, UM, YEAH, IF, IF ANYTHING, JUST LIKE I SAID, MY, MY COMMENTS WOULD BE, UH, I, I WOULD WANNA SUPPORT THE PROPERTY OWNER MORE IN THIS IF, IF, IF THEY WERE THE ONES THAT INSTIGATED THE APPLICATION. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I, I DON'T THINK I, I LIKE THIS IDEA. UM, COMMISSIONERS QUICKLY, I DO WANNA GET TO THE COMMENTS. UM, THIS JUST COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, SUBMITTED BY PATTY ZION'S PRESIDENT. UM, THEY SUPPORT THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE HOUSE AT ONE 18 NOTICE IN THE LAVACCA DISTRICT. UM, WE AGREED THAT THE OFFICE OF IT PRESERVATION IN THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, THAT THE HOME MEETS CRITERIA ONE FIVE AND 13 FOR DESIGNATION. THIS HOUSE IS ONE OF A QUAR LIT QUARTET 12 VICTORIAN HOUSE BUILT ON THE, UH, BLOCK IN 1910, ALL OF WHICH SURVIVED DESPITE SOME ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS. IT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE STYLE FEATURING A CURVED PORCH GABLES AND DECORATIVE SHINGLES, HYBRID SIDING, AND SANDING SEA METAL ROOF. THIS BLOCK RETAINS THE VAST MAJORITY OF ITS ORIGINAL BUILDINGS AND THE HOUSE AT ONE 18 LOTUS PROVIDES A CONTINUITY, CONTINUITY AND CONTEXT TO ITS HISTORIC SURROUNDINGS THAT WOULD SUPPORTED DESIGNATIONS. THANK YOU. THIS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES, BUT I, I, I SUPPORT THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AND I SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS, AND THAT IT MEETS THREE CORRECT CRITERIA THAT ARE, UH, REQUIRED FOR A REVIEW OF ELIGIBILITY. AND I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, ISSUE A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. I'M, I'M, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I'LL SECOND THAT JUST TO GET THE, THE, UH, PROCESS ON THE WAY, BUT I DO ECHO FELLOW COMMISSIONER ARIOLA, UH, COMMENTS. I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I'M, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, CLEAR ON, ON THE FOR WHY. I MEAN, I DO THINK THAT COMMISSIONER ALA'S COMMENTS ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES AND THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A PRACTICE OF, AT LEAST IT'S, IT'S MY INTENTION TO MAKE A PRACTICE OF TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT AN OWNER'S, UM, UH, INTENT IS. I'M VERY PLEASED WITH, UH, THIS, THIS OWNER'S INTENT TO, UM, UM, FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, LACK OF USING THE WORD, YOU KNOW, UH, PRESERVED, BUT RESTORING. AND I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, SO OFTEN WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ECONOMICS OF THE SITUATION. AND, AND, AND LUCKILY THE CITY DOES NOW ALLOW US TO ALL COMMISSIONS TO LOOK AT EVERY DECISION THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS RAMIFICATIONS ALL THE WAY DOWN ON AFFORDABILITY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ON THE LOW HIGH OR THE HIGHER HIGH. UM, BUT THAT, BUT THAT MOST DEFINITELY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TERM INTENDED TO MEAN PRESERVED, RIGHT? AND, AND THIS OWNER IS, UM, HE [02:35:01] SEES THE HOUSE, THEY SEE THE HOUSE, THEY LIKE THE HOUSE, THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE. AND IT'S APPARENT THROUGH THE WAY HE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVEN'T, THE INTENTION OF, OF HAVING THAT HOUSE AS A PRODUCT THAT IS BASED ON THE VALUE OF WHAT THAT HOUSE IS. AND, AND WHILE, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT, UH, MAYBE IT'S THE WRONG WORD, BUT POLICING, IT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY SOLUTION. SAN ANTONIO IS FILLED WITH NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE OWNERS POLICE THEMSELVES, WHERE THE OWNERS HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR THE ARCHITECTURE THAT THEY HAVE, AND THEY TAKE GOOD CARE OF IT. THEY JUST DON'T NEED THE EXTRA REGULATION, PARTICULARLY AT THIS TIME WHEN, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, PEOPLE'S PROJECTS ARE BEING BACKED UP. SO THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS PROJECT TO, TO SIT THERE AND ROT AND BECOME EVEN WORSE OF A SITUATION IS ALWAYS A POTENTIAL AS WELL. BUT I, I, I JUST, JUST TO, TO, TO, TO END ON THIS NOTE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE AERIAL OF THIS AREA, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, CONDOMINIUMS THAT COUPLES THE WRONG WORD, BUT THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A SITUATION THAT WAS JUST, JUST, UH, UH, ACCOMPLISHED ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S MASSIVE MODERNIST, UH, UM, UH, STATEMENT THAT WAS, THAT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT THAT HAD THIS AREA BEEN HISTORIC, DISTRICT WOULD'VE NEVER ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. SO THERE'S TRANSFORMATION OCCURRING. I THINK THAT, THAT THIS, THIS PROJECT IS PART OF THAT MAYBE DIFFERENT, MAYBE CONSERVATION DISTRICT STYLE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT, IT'S A JUXTAPOSITION OF, OF THE OLD AND THE NEW. AND I IMAGINE THAT THERE'S SPACE FOR, UH, FREE EXPRESSION INSIDE OF ALL OF THIS, UH, ARCHITECTURALLY. SO, UH, I AS WELL, UH, WILL, WILL NOT, UH, UH, BE SUPPORTING THAT. UH, BUT, UM, UH, MORE THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS. AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EYE FOR WHAT IT IS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, AS AN ASSET. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, I WAS THE SECOND. THOSE WERE THE COMMENTS TO MY SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, DESIGNATION, BUT I, I'M ALWAYS A LITTLE HESITANT ABOUT THESE THINGS BEING APPROACHED IN A, IN A PIECEMEAL FASHION. AND WE SAW, UH, A STRUCTURE OVER IN THE 200 BLOCK OF LOTUS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THAT WENT THROUGH SOME SIMILAR ISSUES OF THINGS BEING SORT OF, UH, DEMOLISHED AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND, AND AN OWNER BEING VERY FRUSTRATED WITH, WITH O H P AND H D R C THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND AS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, QUE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT, THOSE TOWN HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT PLACE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF. IS THERE ANY SORT OF, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT THIS AS A POTENTIAL CONSERVATION, UH, DISTRICT OR ADJUNCT, UH, OR ADDITION TO THE, TO THE LAVACCA DISTRICT? BECAUSE THERE, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE SOME REALLY FINE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLK VICTORIAN KIND OF FOLK VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE HERE THAT'S PRETTY INTACT, AND, UH, SEEMS LIKE IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR FURTHER STUDY. AND RATHER THAN GOING UP THIS IN A PIECEMEAL FASHION, I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE US KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AS, AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AS A MEANS OF, OF, OF URBAN DESIGN AND, AND, UM, OF CITY PLANNING IN, IN, IN A MORE CONTROLLED AND THOUGHTFUL WAY, RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF DOING IT IN A, IN A REACTIVE WAY. SO I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I DO WISH, UH, WE COULD INTO THIS DEEPER, PARTICULARLY THIS AREA AND ALSO BEACON HILL THAT WE SAW. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION, UH, FOR STAFF, UM, FOR, FOR REVIEWS, UH, FOR FINDINGS OF SIGNIFICANCE. UM, DO WE NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY OR DO WE NEED A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION? UH, A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE PRESENT. THANKS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ALL IN FAVOR? UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. UNMUTE. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NAY. NAY. I BELIEVE THAT WAS FORWARDED. WELL, I THINK I'M MISSING A VOTE. I THINK THERE WERE TWO NAYS. UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL, IF YOU DON'T MIND. FISH. AYE. GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ, NAY, AREOLA MAY. CARPENTER? AYE BET, SIR. AYE, UNE. AYE. THAT'S FIVE TO TWO. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, WE DO [02:40:01] HAVE, UH, [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for October 21, 2020.] MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 21ST, 2020 TO APPROVE. MOVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING. MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 21 FOR A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ADJOURN VELAZQUEZ. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYONE. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.